assassination

[spice spire]

[tacit wedge]

Now blizzard can give us the 40% so i can be back to the top of the meter again

[clever sapphire]

with 40% you can maybe be on the meters

[keen spruce]

just make sure 1/3 of your raid dies before execute

then chase down those UH dks with blindside

[spice spire]

Just be in a clown guild minus like six dps and ur chuckling

[tacit wedge]

But it's good to be in a guild that brings the player, not the class* and to be promoted to raider just because i'm not dumb

[keen spruce]

late CE guilds that get comp boners are the plague of good off-meta players

[spice spire]

I just want a crumb of warrior

Just a crumb

[tawny bloom]

hello peeps. I didnt craft my weapon yet, but already got boots. Is it worth going toxic patch helmet? Got my 4p already

[keen spruce]

yes

you should also have 3 sparks now

so u can get patch on hat and a dagger if u need it

[tawny bloom]

ye i didnt do quest yet. Got home and immediately jumped into raid

[balmy condor]

Hat

[tacit wedge]

Previous guild was never CE, they barely saw Kurog, this guild however got to rasza around 30%

[spice spire]

They’re spreading

[balmy condor]

Delusional hat crafters

[tawny bloom]

is helmet that bad? I still have flaring cowl

[keen spruce]

it's not THAT bad

[spice spire]

People really haven’t had the zenith struggle and it shows

[keen spruce]

but just put it on bracers or belt normally

[tacit wedge]

Zskarn trinket keeps avoiding me, haven't seen a single one drop

[spice spire]

I told my guild they had 2p when they had one on zenith and the second piece was their ksm orb

[balmy condor]

Helm is an early drop in mythic

And the stats aren’t bad

Idk

[tawny bloom]

ye in my guild everyone was 4p 2nd week already. I showed up today first time and reached 4p

[spice spire]

Saw one on normal week one, but I was forced to tank it 🙂

[balmy condor]

People be crafting helmets for fun

[keen spruce]

I'm a tier hat gamer

but i have no glubs

[royal lantern]

somewhere a group of bottom rogues that jerk themself off for having -2% haste just got a stroke

[keen spruce]

my sims have been cramming crit haste gems down my throat for months

but i also have like 4800 mastery so idk

[tawny bloom]

ye i prolyl wont get to mythic raid this or next week. Big maybe next week but nothing certain.

[tawny bloom]

well i got 437 belt from sark and still my diurna mythic wrists with socket

and no helmet replace

[spice spire]

What are your trinkets

[keen spruce]

bomb fragment

[proper tapir]

Toxic helmet crafter unite! Let's stay strong, remember we have the sim on our side.

[spice spire]

Send me sim if you can

Or have a recent

[balmy condor]

Do you

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

I was cramming haste/crit gems on all my gear already in 10.0

[keen spruce]

^

[spice spire]

I have a very dark and awful theory I hope I’m just dumb

[proper tapir]

Sure do, going from cowl to hat

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

[azure bronze]

Is there any way to sim Fragment with the 18% nerf to it?

[keen spruce]

sec sim will take a min

[balmy condor]

Aight don’t go crying to me then when you never get tier helm

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gEtHfa9fPUXfhmPdENe1VU

I'm a big boy

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/from-the-heart-thank-you-from-the-bottom-of-my-heart-it-comes-from-the-heart-gif-24300802

[proper tapir]

It's not the last spark we're getting and helm is a big upgrade, it's a solid choice... You'll seeeee, you'll allllll seeeeee

[keen spruce]

@spice spire

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-titanic-gif-25999423

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

I got the mega curse inc after that

[keen spruce]

anyone got any of those cores

[keen spruce]

can u just tell me your theory now

[limber lion]

Just become a theorycrafter

[keen spruce]

can u imagine

the chaos i would sew

[spice spire]

No

[keen spruce]

publishing my builds to the civillians

with a green name

[spice spire]

Builds

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Is a strong word

[limber lion]

Green name ain't mean shit

[lapis osprey]

The fragment pin ain't SHIT

Raid trinkets aren't dropping anyways

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Amen

I’m quite literally the worst rogue in this server

[oak sky]

Yeah everyone knows varas has all the secret sauce

[gusty mirage]

I'm averaging a green in mythic with a 99

stay woke kid

[mortal tusk]

hey what's the build for Zaquali (HM) ?

[agile osprey]

Play sub

[lapis osprey]

pure st

[spice spire]

Just okay whatever nothing will live

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you're playing assassination on that fight

you're just kinda afk after he flies up

if you guys are fast enough

you bug out the fight

and just kill him when he lands

and doesn't do any p2 mechanics

or if all your healers swap dps

you just kill him before he jumps

[agile osprey]

I actually had to swap wound poison going into p3

[keen spruce]

[agile osprey]

rogue utility

[tawny bloom]

what

[keen spruce]

our RL is an arms warrior

[tawny bloom]

isnt like mortal strike

way better?

[still leaf]

but but my shiv for enraged mobs..

[tawny bloom]

also the monk healing reduction

[agile osprey]

Our dps warrior was out

[tawny bloom]

hunter dino pets

[keen spruce]

BM hunter dino pets

who still has BM hunters

[gusty mirage]

you wot m8

[agile osprey]

[gusty mirage]

do you not have a ww?

[agile osprey]

benched

[gusty mirage]

ON ASSAULT?

THATS LIKE THE ONLY FIGHT THEY'RE UESFUL FOR

[tawny bloom]

ww benched but assa rogue put in

like

who does ur roster

[agile osprey]

me LOL

[lapis osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266347012524474368/1113529407617896548/image.png

[gusty mirage]

poor guy

[lapis osprey]

Pure st 👍🏿

[agile osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T6gbFjfKaGC4cZyP#fight=13&type=damage-done

fuck that

and actually our ww was late for raid iirc

[keen spruce]

"go sub for more funnel"

[agile osprey]

OOF

[tawny bloom]

ur bm hunters are imposters

wait a sec

dhs also have healing reduction?

[gusty mirage]

ah yes the "oops I'm late sorry I missed trash"

I believe that's a pvp talent

don't quote me on that though

[tawny bloom]

checking rn

[agile osprey]

Yeah I didn't think so

ww, bm, assa, and war

I think

[keen spruce]

rogue*

[spice spire]

BM hunter has healing reduction pets

[keen spruce]

pirates can take wound without losing as much

[spice spire]

Damn

[agile osprey]

Anyways I'm refusing to not play ass at this point

I love parsing against all 6 of us remaining

[still leaf]

sin rogue feels like the meme spec more and more i play it, like the redheaded stepchild of rogue specs

[tawny bloom]

its a talent

[agile osprey]

god dammit

im pinging our dh rn

[tawny bloom]

not sure what they lose for it tho

personally no clue

if its like 5k dps just to take that it might be w/e, but ur hunters can go for it as it doesnt impact their damage at all

[keen spruce]

[agile osprey]

I really need to start playing sepsis

It's simming like 1.7% higher for me now

[spice spire]

Lil bro actually running a local sim rn

[still leaf]

is stepsis really that much better? might try to learn it then

[spice spire]

Yes

[keen spruce]

I gotta do what i gotta do

gimmy your fancy login

[limber lion]

my guy you need to get premium

[still leaf]

alright guess ill look at the faq and try it out on dummies later, bone spike is braindead anyway

[keen spruce]

i have heirloom

should probably bump it up at the start of the tier

[gusty mirage]

how do you have 95 combos for stage 3 lmao

[spice spire]

Gonna assume he’s doing all gems

[limber lion]

This is all you need

[keen spruce]

IM DOIN SCIENCE

[limber lion]

Anything with vers or just one stat, useless

[keen spruce]

i added 2 other primaries

jic

[limber lion]

I'm surprised he's even simming so many gems without premium

[gusty mirage]

I'll save you the trouble mr. 5k mastery

don't sim the mastery gems

[keen spruce]

bruther it'll try to run with like 300 combos

[limber lion]

Honestly, probs don't even need to sim

Just slap crit/haste or haste/crit gems and you're balling

[keen spruce]

QUAKE TOLD ME TO

[limber lion]

He's literally a dog

[gusty mirage]

^

[azure bronze]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

We have a green dog and a purple dog, we gon' need an orange dog in our family

[keen spruce]

I don't know all of the green name furry lore

except stealthi being a racoon

[spice spire]

No that’s for me to do

I have theories

[keen spruce]

okay tell me theory so i can cancel this sim

[spice spire]

I heard @gusty mirage got that dog in him

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

No because it is my fool’s errand

Not yours

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

but i'm curious now

[spice spire]

I miss ramfam

[spice spire]

You’ll see when I do the thing

[keen spruce]

72% i'm committed now

[agile osprey]

Nah he's straight

I see you playing sub brother

[limber lion]

I got 447 bracers from vault and the hc sark belt

I'm a sad boy

where do I craft now

[runic hinge]

Hat

[spice spire]

Cursed helm user

[keen spruce]

hat gang

[limber lion]

Chest it is

Thanks guys

[keen spruce]

i have socketed 441 bracers and socketed 441 belt +avoidance

[vestal wren]

1h weapon for outlaw

[keen spruce]

belt just gonna be in the bank for 70 yeras

[limber lion]

Nah as in which armorpiece for toxic patch

oh well

i'll think about it when I get 1 single piece of tier

[spice spire]

Real

[fallow canopy]

you guys/gals reckon the frag oversimming will get fixed anytime soon? (on raidbots ofc)

[limber lion]

"anytime soon" is a tough one

could be next week, could be a month

[fallow canopy]

I guess that's true, mb

[keen spruce]

frag/harlans roughly similar. raid trinkets better. ez pz

[balmy condor]

craft helm so I can yell at you

[limber lion]

don't entice me

[balmy condor]

seeing this and going "yeah but what if it was actually a stat side-grade" should be considered a mental illness

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

600 haste, don't mind if I do

[balmy condor]

also my sims want me to gem crit vers help

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Don’t spoil the theory man wtf

[balmy condor]

A GAAAAAAAAAAAME THEORY

[spice spire]

I gotta prove to myself that I’m dumb as fuck

[limber lion]

Man I heard the exact same shit in my head when I read Quake's message

Been watching Game- and Foodtheory too much

fuck

[spice spire]

I was gonna say idk this reference man

Im too boomer for this

[keen spruce]

okay so after like 70 hours

it doesn't matter

but it wants crit/mast gems

[limber lion]

It's just a Youtube series/channel.

[spice spire]

Post

I need it

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ujRjJxnpoptcybQVsswRV9

[balmy condor]

me when anyone asks an assassination question

[keen spruce]

MOTHER FUCK

[limber lion]

Where's 120k?

[keen spruce]

WHY IS IT DUNGEON SLICE

[spice spire]

Off to do dumb shit

[limber lion]

why such a low number

[spice spire]

Bruh

[limber lion]

Also

NO WONDER

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/silicon-valley-erlich-bachman-motherfuck-gif-8224886

[limber lion]

it took fucking 17 years

full gem sim on dslice

[keen spruce]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[balmy condor]

my turn

(it says patchwerk top left)

[keen spruce]

it's okay i upgrade my premium

mid sim

[limber lion]

Also Shmeeps

Stop using Weekly

use Nightly

[balmy condor]

cev doesn't know the tech

[limber lion]

Not sure if Sepsis changes are even in weekly yet

Oh

??

[keen spruce]

i can't keep up with all of the shennanigans

[balmy condor]

we've INCREASED

there's a latest option now

[limber lion]

[keen spruce]

i have the APL string still in there

[limber lion]

LATEST?

[balmy condor]

it pulls from simc commits within 10 minutes

it's very sick

[limber lion]

holy

that's pretty giga

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor so i don't need the apl string if i use latest?

[limber lion]

No

[balmy condor]

it should be in on nightly

and I think weekly as well

[limber lion]

Pretty sure there's a pin for it as well

[balmy condor]

weekly rebuilds on mondays

so it should all be up to date

[keen spruce]

okay running again

[tacit otter]

whispyr with your rashok build opener still goes as follows right: gar snd mut (to 5) rupture sepsis dm

[balmy condor]

yes

and my magmorax build opener goes gar snd gar rup ER PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY PRAY Fuck no beacon crit altf4

[spice spire]

I am cooking

I am not cooking anything good tho

[keen spruce]

share with the class

[balmy condor]

oh no

my sims wants mast/vers gems

[keen spruce]

[wraith cosmos]

is...is that possible?

[balmy condor]

sure it is

I was honestly expecting vers/haste to win

but that's apparently -0.1%

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/joikFhAhpA642D89Zv9m4j

[spice spire]

When I can draw conclusions, yes

Also only 120

[keen spruce]

no exang

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jThXF31Pa6X7hzUyDjQX9i

[balmy condor]

it's spreadsheet time buddy

sepsis investigation 2.0

[spice spire]

Even worse

I’m in the notes on my phone

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-officer-super-troopers-of-god-gif-16007533

[balmy condor]

hey, notes app supports tables

that's a spreadsheet

[ember mural]

What the dog cooking

[spice spire]

Real

This big dog ain’t cooking rn

It’s some awful shit

Disgusting even

[balmy condor]

george is on a mathematical rampage

[ember mural]

[keen spruce]

big dog cookin in some warm bath water

[spice spire]

Me rn

[keen spruce]

tell me theory

[spice spire]

No

[gray crest]

sophisticated

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

i wanna draw vast, unsupported conclusions

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

289 combos in final phase

[keen spruce]

[pure vine]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[gaunt moat]

Hey, sorry I missed your message.
I'm glad you find it useful! make sure you've got the last version 🙂

[mortal tusk]

hey, what about rage corrupting fial ?

[limber lion]

What about it?

[mortal tusk]

isn't it better than vers phial

[keen spruce]

what's in the latest version

[keen spruce]

it does more damage at the cost of hurting you

if you die to a 5k overkill in prog you'll get yelled at

[mortal tusk]

i'm alchemist I can reduce damge takenn from the initial damage

[gaunt moat]

Shiv reminder (while the target had sepsis debuff and you have shiv available, it will be colored green)

(I sometimes forgot to shiv during opener, and i found that helpful personally)

Also it was kinda hard to implement

[keen spruce]

oo could be nice

i'll give it a peak later

[gaunt moat]

I've uploaded some pics of how it looks:
https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[spice spire]

I saw the thing.
Please do not the notes 🙂

[gaunt moat]

?

[spice spire]

10.1.5 notes

No rogue

Shock and awe

[gaunt moat]

I told people from the start there's not gonna be changes since there was nothing day one
and they flamed me for dooming.
they don't learn.

[spice spire]

I flame everyone for dooming 🙂
‘Tis a game.
Sucks though, won’t deny

[gaunt moat]

We're gonna have another tier of being bottom DPS

[wanton vine]

Why would they mention rogues only to do a small change for one spec, makes no sense :/

[gaunt moat]

Most likely it was internal miscommunication

[crystal raft]

bad dps+completely being ignored by devs is reaching survival hunter levels at this point

[runic hinge]

Let the dooming commence.

[gaunt moat]

It never stopped brother

BUT

10.2 exsang is gone. FOR SURE.

we only have to hold on for 5 more months of being garbage

[silk bane]

idk dude just play something else. I litearlly only raid log on my rogue at this point. having a blast with Mage. once mage is around 440 im probably gonna take it over rogue for prog. specially since its way better on sarc

[keen spruce]

they really leaning on that verbaige of "in a future patch"

comin up on 6 months since the exang rework/removal annoucement

[simple violet]

A million changes for every class. Go to rogue and nothing despite assassination rogues have been at the bottom of the meters for this entire expansion and remain the lowest played class/spec https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-5-ptr-build-49824-datamining-class-changes-and-tuning-333252

[gaunt moat]

Is it any surprise Realz left this discord?

We got warlock tuning every two weeks

meanwhile they can't change a single talent for sin.

[plain plaza]

Stop clowning. Most of the changes are the mana adjustments

[gaunt moat]

You should look at warlock changes again

[plain plaza]

I said most friend

[vapid sierra]

im in agreement

i understand us not getting changed everyweek

but we've barely been touched since xpac release

[runic hinge]

He’s back in the discord btw

[gaunt moat]

you sure? i don't see him

[spice spire]

Yes

[viscid spear]

Just don't ping him

[royal lantern]

no slowmode?

im proud guys

[runic hinge]

We’ve grown so much. Or maybe everyone left because the dooming was too much.

[eager solstice]

We’re used to being ignored no reason to get riled up

[lethal mortar]

Guys it’s cause they are working super hard on rogue I swear my dad works at blizzard

Just not ready to show yet

[sonic zinc]

just like legion class halls, rogues aint getting any

[viscid spear]

here's a sewer

We're sure you'll all feel at home

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-fidget-spinner-spinner-gif-9575113

because you all behaved, here is a gif of a cool lizard with a hat

[weak horizon]

Guys don't worry they are coming

[wraith cosmos]

i mean, hidden base was a cool idea...but why a sewer

[marble hemlock]

wdym

[sonic zinc]

underbelly of the city

shrug

[marble hemlock]

we got patchnotes every week when we had specs performing within the top5

[wraith cosmos]

rogue doing good = insta nerf

[thorn fjord]

Ayyyy quality content

[tiny ember]

It was a typo right bois ....we can let the hope die

[deft flicker]

Hidden in plain sight, with multiple entrances if you know the right townsfolk, and despite it being a sewer there is a pile of treasures and a troll with pocket money. Feels great tbh

[royal lantern]

^

[deft flicker]

And we got to keep the Ravenholdt Manor as well

Monks lost Peak of Serenity in favour of new order hall

[royal lantern]

rogue was 1of the classes with the best class fantasy during legion

cool class hall idea cus it made sense why it exist and not just "lol, random portal into a chamber"

[deft flicker]

Same with hunters tbh, their order hall is very spacious and makes a lot of sense thematically (also an eagle flight network with glider feathers)

[balmy condor]

we'll see

[royal lantern]

its 1:30 am, so im gonna miss it anyway

[gaunt moat]

1.1.5 paracausal trinmekts are gonna fix rogue. believe.

[deft flicker]

Funny green texts for funny green text class

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hellmo-french-baguette-chaos-gif-24577820

[royal lantern]

you mean another trinket that gives warlock +13k dps

[flint tusk]

Maybe it's because the sun is too bright in cali that blizzard can't see the yellow class text on the screen!

[royal lantern]

so whisp needs to block out the sun

gotcha

[signal badger]

Class hall was amazing in legion

[deft flicker]

Exsang the sun so it burns out faster

[runic hinge]

Exsang every star so the heat death of universe comes sooner and we can stop playing this game

[blazing jewel]

Exsang these

[royal lantern]

these what

[deft flicker]

🥜

[royal lantern]

(somone has to do it)

[blazing jewel]

[toxic night]

New patch notes and ofc rogue is missing sadge

[blazing jewel]

Guys believe it or not I think sepsis and exsang are about to smooch

[flint tusk]

Did your brain blue screen with the size of delay you had there? 😂

[blazing jewel]

No I was petting my cat smh

[runic hinge]

[deft flicker]

[gusty mirage]

[toxic night]

Legit the dev working on rogue quit or something

[blazing jewel]

[flint tusk]

No it’s definitely the sun on their screens and our class text being yellow.

[signal badger]

[royal lantern]

allright, but what are the roles in their relation ship?

i would say that exsang is that somewhat weird guy that is trying his best but it just doesnt work out all the time

state of assassination btw

we ship talents

[blazing jewel]

Oxi what ancient rh member added this

They have to be at least 45

Sepsis is the dom and exsang is the sub

It’s obvious

[gusty mirage]

A zoomer posted it and I yoinked it

Fight me irl

Half naked

You pick the half

[blazing jewel]

I’ll drive to your frozen tundra state

[gusty mirage]

Yeah? And I’ll kiss you on the mouth

How about that buddy?

[blazing jewel]

Outside no pants so both of us won’t have balls after the fight

They will be on the ground like lil frozen lollipops

[gusty mirage]

Hot

[marble hemlock]

left half

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

Oxi get facial piercings and I’ll kith you without fighting

[gusty mirage]

Why don’t we compromise on me getting my butthole pierced instead

[blazing jewel]

Like sealed shut with a piercing

[gusty mirage]

I’ll even do the font of power channel from bfa using my bhole

[blazing jewel]

Is this what playing sin does to a person

[gusty mirage]

Nah im a battle pets main now

Pokémon in wow

[blazing jewel]

Mini game enjoyer

[gusty mirage]

At least class tuning doesn’t affect that

[blazing jewel]

I have raid in 45 mins hold me im nervous

[gusty mirage]

You got this

[blazing jewel]

P1 sark

Feels like you are standing in fire the entire phase

[gusty mirage]

Finish line is almost there though

It’s within grasp

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

Week or two and you’re free

[blazing jewel]

Jokes on you we reclear every week there is no freedom

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

Reclearing nelth with a few different members

Will be bad

That fight is so bad for reclear

[gusty mirage]

There’s extra words in that sentence sir

Mostly “for” and “reclear”

[blazing jewel]

It’s fun as melee what are you talking about

Me melee me go 5

[gusty mirage]

True, waiting 100 pulls so ranger stop murdering people is gonna be a blast

I can’t wait

[strange python]

Hi. Did the changes on ptr make us good?

[balmy condor]

Magmorax dead?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

Nelth prison now

[strange python]

Fight sucks.

[spice surge]

You just wait until ranged figure out their WAs while you just hit boss

[nimble tartan]

naw melee need to know too

waste hella pulls when melee get it and dont know wtf they doing

fuckin 1 hr wa setup for p3 bro aids af

[spice surge]

Melee has one spot they always go to, but yes

And you almost never get it anyway

So its just big ecksdee

[nimble tartan]

we had 23 wipes bout to see p2

lovin our prog so far

this one of those consistency bosses tho shit can go bad any day

[dark token]

We skip the p3 WA

[nimble tartan]

wdymmm

[dark token]

The rygelon WA or whatever we skip the assignments for thst

[nimble tartan]

how do u skippie

just dam?

[gusty mirage]

Y’all immune for extra puddles to help the potatoes not panic?

[shell osprey]

is it said anywhere how big the difference between sepsis and bonespike are?

[gusty mirage]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[shell osprey]

2% perfect

thank you

[keen spruce]

did quake ever finish cookin?

[vapid sierra]

im playing sepsis exsang

it actually isnt terrible

[viscid spear]

He raid leading, bruh

[pure comet]

Blizzard hate us

[shell osprey]

i know how to do sepsis but i gave up on exsang, always screwed up the opener >.>

[vapid sierra]

all muscle memory

i was progging sark and was playing sub

had the opener on my phone during pull

after the first hour ish of pulls i could do it without

[shell osprey]

yeah took me a sec to get subs too lol

[vapid sierra]

subs dont make sense to me

i didnt take time to understand the abilities

exsang+ sepsis maeks sense tho

[shell osprey]

sub is all about the fat shadowdances

[vapid sierra]

yeah i dont like sub

it just does too much damage to not play in m+

[shell osprey]

anyone played kingsbane much this patch?

[vapid sierra]

some people swear buy it

[shell osprey]

would assume you use it ....after DM or with it?

[vapid sierra]

its terrible for dps tho

no where near dtb

[keen spruce]

kingsbane is cheeks

but reject exang

[vapid sierra]

probably in faq

[keen spruce]

play stepsis

play 2% better

[vapid sierra]

sepsis exsang is where it at

[keen spruce]

exang wack

[shell osprey]

whisps sheet shows kb at only 3.4% less

doesnt seem too bad

[keen spruce]

that's a lot

[vapid sierra]

its jut an extra button to click that gives you 2% more dam

[shell osprey]

im just curious is all

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak sky]

You would use kingsbane during deathmark

Then your 2nd kingsbane on cd with shiv

[shell osprey]

yeah saw that

does a lot of damage so far lol

[oak sky]

Its just worse than dtb unfortunately

The passive gain is really good

[shell osprey]

in my dummy test

[proud basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[simple stratus]

is mutilate supposed to chomp my 2nd sepsis buff?

[woeful meteor]

no

[simple stratus]

something is eating it and not sure what

[woeful meteor]

is ambush on the same bind as mut on stealth bar

[simple stratus]

that....would be it

fml

[earnest timber]

Is the sim updated by the way for the new fragment knowledge?

Still says for me that it's an upgrade.

[tacit otter]

its not implemented, the pin is just an estimation on how big it could be

[earnest timber]

Okay just wondering.

[still leaf]

fragment knowledge? oh duh irideus fragment sorry

[earnest timber]

I was like, it's still 2k above my Nelthy trinket.

[tacit otter]

ye same, but we have to wait so see how much it'll drop eventually

[somber fractal]

guys im starting to doom seeing another week of 10.1.5 without the rogue changes

[keen spruce]

we don't doom, we just embrace the bad

[still leaf]

ill still play sin rogue no matter how bad it is because im bad

[balmy condor]

Blizzard will release notes when they’re ready to

Ain’t no point dooming or hoping

Just living

[proud basin]

@balmy condor where those mapelstory streams at?

[balmy condor]

Savior in a week we SLAM

[proud basin]

@balmy condor do you notice anything wrong with this raid comp?

[steel ridge]

Wdym, there have been RTB changes and thats it. There are not coming more.

Fire Changes are great tho! Kinda sad about glyph of the observer 😦

[viscid spear]

No Mage

[proud basin]

close

[runic hinge]

No priest

[proud basin]

close aswell

what RDPS does that raid have

[balmy condor]

We’ll see when it loads

[balmy condor]

Wait

Is the zskarn dream alive

Path to 8 heal

Amen brother

[proud basin]

HAHAHA

I WISH

could of used them on zskarn

[balmy condor]

[proud basin]

did you kill zskarn yet?

[balmy condor]

Yeah we killed before the hotfix and extended

Nelth prison now

Magmorax died yesterday

[proud basin]

oh shit GG

i was trying to make a clip of jdtob talking about how his guild couldnt kill it with cheese strat and was gonna @ you lol XD

[balmy condor]

The boss is way overtuned

When we checked logs yesterday the only kills were re-clears from high end guilds

No first kills

[proud basin]

yeah cause now everyone gotta make strats if they are gonna do a 1st kill

[keen spruce]

even after the 25%?

[drifting cloud]

:?

[steel ridge]

So you are saying i should blow sunday zskarn progress and play diablo instead

[drifting cloud]

25~ new guilds have killed it since hotfix

[balmy condor]

Idk that’s what my guilds tank said

[proud basin]

@balmy condor https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAVoOZ-SSeZBu0VnASWAo-juPnTFAXskd

this is sooooo true lol

[proud basin]

100%

[steel ridge]

Fuck

[next arch]

is assa 2p2p better than 4pc like alot of other specs?

[balmy condor]

No

[next arch]

Based, back to assa we are.

Also, does Chromatic essence ever pull ahead? Or are bloodmallet sims just borked.

[balmy condor]

It’s good but it’s not bis

[next arch]

What attunement with essence is the better one? Its crit I assume?

[serene fossil]

Add the following below your profile in ADVANCED Sim.

dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian
copy="haste"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze
copy="crit"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald
copy="mastery"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure
copy="vers"
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby```

Then it will tell you 🙂

[next arch]

Thanks 🅱️

[balmy condor]

Mastery

For like

98% of people

[serene fossil]

Just a heads up, theres a setting for it for all diff ones active it/not all, that could impact it too

[next arch]

Rn its crit for me, thanks guys :)

[shell osprey]

when using amp poison, do we wait till we have enough stacks on target to proc the bonus damage or does it not really matter

[drifting cloud]

dont play around anything amp poison related

[shell osprey]

and on top of that, should i ever be "pooling" energy while i let the debuff fall off or should i just be spamming envenom

er, buff

envenom's buff

[stiff geode]

So I've got to make a cloak or a life-bound piece to put the toxic armor patch on correct, to synergize with the toxic boots?

[still leaf]

probably never a good idea to pool energy

[shell osprey]

yes, its added during the craft

its an toxified armor patch i believe

ok, thats what i was thinking

just trying to understand some logs

and see what im doing wrong

[gusty mirage]

can't put the patch on cloaks

LWer only items

[stiff geode]

Ohh ok ty for that heads up

Waaaaait, I thought it was slimy boots at first, did we change over to toxic?

I see the pin 😄 just wondering about the deets as to why

[gusty mirage]

so the slimy boots have like 4-5 spell IDs

and usually the sims pull all the relevant information re: stuff like that from the spell data

but the spell id it was using for the damage effect didn't have the haste debuff for whatever reason

so that was fixed and it pushed toxic thorn slightly ahead

[still leaf]

while embellishes are being talked about whats the consensus on spore shoulders, really bad or what?

[stiff geode]

Thank you @gusty mirage goat for them sweet juicy details. 💙

[gusty mirage]

Shoulders very poo poo, they won’t apply new stacks until the dot runs it’s course

[gusty mirage]

[ornate aspen]

New patch notes!
ctrl+f "Rogue"
no results

[rocky ruin]

Well I expect nothing
then is the pain not so big

[plain jewel]

is it worth holding deathmark/exsang for 1min for lust

[balmy condor]

If you don’t miss a cast, yes

If you lose a cast, no

[clever sapphire]

Damn no rogue changes and no slow mode. We really grew up

[hot blade]

In other words, sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit

[drifting cloud]

whispyr are you a 4day guild now

[balmy condor]

We’re cutting the 4th day next tier is the rumor

This was last week of 4th day

[drifting cloud]

you didnt do it for a month in vault did you?

this tier bringing the worst in everyone even more than usual

easy hc so everyone does splits and short tier so people just OT even more than usual

[balmy condor]

Yeh we did 3 weeks in vault

4 weeks this time

[west swallow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ancient rain]

New assa rework just posted on wowhead! They really going all in with the class fantasy and roleplaying here

[clever sapphire]

i mean this patch looked to me more like mana balances and some offhealing tuning, so no wonder no rogue changes

since we dont have either of those

[raven knoll]

Why is the mage there then?

[clever sapphire]

i didnt really look at all the changes, only the specs that interested me

and there it was all about healing or mana costs

so priest shamy feral

[rocky ruin]

well they announced the ptr with class tuning coming to mage, pala, rogue and many other

[misty holly]

Our class dev 100% quit mid rework and they had to scrap it

Maybe someone new will work on it for 10.1.7

[spiral pasture]

weird for them to announce rogue changes if he quit mid rework

[gaunt moat]

These things are not mutually exclusive.
Just because they had a project of adjusting hybrid's mana, doesn't mean they can not work on anything else or that patch notes should be only about it.
And as an exmaple, you have mage, warlock and paladin.

[misty holly]

Or maybe rogues just wont get any changes until next expansion 🤷‍♂️

[misty holly]

All the rumors of realz leaving started about a week after they announced it.

[clever sapphire]

well if they got changes than true, if it would have only been a healing/mana change than it would have been okay

[spiral pasture]

surely most of the proposed changes are made before its announced

and then iteration after

[clever sapphire]

wait i have the fix to exsang, if we remove deathmark there is no way you can exsang your deathmark

[misty holly]

More like Ion sent him an email saying "have this done in 3 weeks for the ptr", then they announce the changes coming. Then Bobby sends him an email saying return to office

and he's like Im out.

[spiral pasture]

i highly doubt that

[rocky ruin]

roughly estimate release could be for 10.1.5 july august
if they don't release anything at the end of month for rogues then other things have higher priorities

[clever sapphire]

well my sub runs out in 5 days, so i dont have to worry about any changes at this point

[rocky ruin]

i do think realz could choose move closer to where ever blizz hq is or seek a new job

[royal lantern]

mate

people on the internet talking about the inner workings of development is always some of the most braindead takes possible lmao

like

people herr act as if 1guy is working on rogue

thats it

1person

nothing else

no teams

its all 1 single guy

[subtle tundra]

haha! rogue changes!

[rocky ruin]

maybe the new evoker spec needs more brain power then they realise

[gaunt moat]

It used to be that way.
I don't know how's the structure right now, but when I was in contact with Sephuz, he was in charge of several classes. him alone.

[rocky ruin]

and they couldn't waste anything on rogues were are fine in a way we don't like, but blizz is liking

[spiral pasture]

that makes no sense tho

[keen spruce]

i mean class design doesn't need 100 people

implementation does

[spiral pasture]

why would they even announce changes if they were fine with rogue

[misty holly]

Well there's only 4 people I know at blizzard: Bobby, Ion, Reals, and Holinka so whatever scenarios I come up have to involve only those 4 (now 3 or less) people.

[keen spruce]

well implementation doesn't either

but like

just thinkin up the changes doesn't need a whole team noodlin over stuff for months on end

[subtle tundra]

ask in assa channel what changes they would like

easy

[royal lantern]

its a new spec, ofc it needs a lot of work done

+somewhere the balance team cries themself into sleep because they have to somehow managed to get that abomination in a reasonable place, which is not possible at all, its a disaster from a balance PoV

[royal lantern]

oh hell no

[gaunt moat]

Back in BfA alpha, they did exactly that.
We had a small group with sephuz, and we made a document listing all suggestions we thought were appropriate with feedback.

[spiral pasture]

that spec has no place in wow

[clever sapphire]

next thing you know outlaw is deleted, exsang is gone, we have vendetta again, IC has 10 seconds cooldown, warlocks are bottom of the dps

[rocky ruin]

Sometimes i hope at the end of week there is blue post with
Upcoming Rogue Changes for 11.0

[royal lantern]

blessed timeline

[misty holly]

Knowing our luck that will be followed up shortly with Dragonflight is the last wow expansion. There is no 11.0

[spiral pasture]

there is some "news" on june 2nd, maybe we get something then

[subtle tundra]

cope and seethe!

[clever sapphire]

wait i have the best change, make it so rogues can only be tauren or vulpera now

[royal lantern]

vulpera is bis rogue wdym

[clever sapphire]

sneaky little foxes

also fuck alliance, no dwarf rogue for you

[royal lantern]

frontflips+good rogue animations+camp+more bag space

what more do you want

[spiral pasture]

rogue rework

[next arch]

Wait, why do you want vandetta back? 😭

[royal lantern]

idk how anyone can play tauren with that envenom/evisc animation

it has 0impact lol

[clever sapphire]

playing tauren rogue is like playing the firelands form of feral

animations feel so shit

[rocky ruin]

i tried all race and female belf envenom is good nothing fancy, but still good

and the stealth animation is 1 Point for them

[runic hinge]

What if deathmark doubled all bleeds on every target

[clever sapphire]

sounds broken

im in

[runic hinge]

We could do big damage in aoe every 2 minutes. Wild times

[clever sapphire]

problem is that it would be too big most likely

[runic hinge]

Probably

[royal lantern]

female belf and male worgen have the best stealth animations, male belf has the worst by far

[clever sapphire]

but like who plays male belf, lets start with that

[rocky ruin]

male belf is so bad as hell, who the hell walk like thats

[royal lantern]

male belf sprint, aka the "oh fuck, i shit my pants" run

and yeha, the stealth crabwalk is something else

[runic hinge]

Goblin stealth is objectively hilarious

[deft flicker]

Male goblin stealth looks like you just yoinked 2 barrels of kaja-cola for the bois

[deft flicker]

Absolutely awesome

[clever sapphire]

im an undead enjoyer, only reason im not a vulpera is that stairs exist and water where i swim as a vulpera, but stand as any other race

[oak stag]

Vulpera isn't even unlocked on my count and iwll never be unlocked on my account

[rocky ruin]

not even the animation is problem for most races
Orc Female good body for good transmog
Orc Male idk big shoulders, shoes look kinda dorky

[runic hinge]

Female Nelf is bis

[next arch]

Vupla bis

[rocky ruin]

Nelf is quite good, but like Belf female everythings works, looks good

[clever sapphire]

tbh lets all be real, if murlock could be a playable race, it would be bis

[runic hinge]

You seem so unbiased about this

[deft flicker]

I’d play you, buddy

[clever sapphire]

yap totally

[grim jay]

Murlock would be in the same place as draenei, panda, dwarf, gnome, goblin, troll and tauren

Ugly but some people play it

[clever sapphire]

aight so its settled, the best rogue change we could get is murlock as a playable race

murlocks are hella cute what

its like vulpera

[grim jay]

No

Just like naked cats arent cute

[clever sapphire]

so you wanna tell me murlocks are naked vulpera

[grim jay]

You said that now !

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/murloc-dancing-murloc-claquette-fred-astair-dancing-gif-12136397

[grim jay]

Dont insult vulpera

[clever sapphire]

you wanna tell me this isnt cute

[grim jay]

Sure. If you are the type that likes to pet frogs

[marble hemlock]

Vulpera were a mistake

[grim jay]

Murlocks would be an even bigger one

[clever sapphire]

well i was the guy who went fishing with his father, just to run around the whole day and catch all the frogs

[wooden kiln]

Hello, sorry to bother u but I feel like I miss something,
With the state of irideus frag, is it worth farming harlan dices to replace it? I already have class trinket as a passive one

[clever sapphire]

dice and frag are kinda the same powerlevel currently, dice is more constant and frag is gonna get you more when you press it with dm

i prefer dice personally because i cant mistake not pressing fragment or anything

[wooden kiln]

So playing with 2 passives isn't a problem? Just less burst I guess?

[clever sapphire]

nah it doesnt matter at all, 2 passives, 2 on use, your sim is gonna tell you which one is better (though simming fragment currently is still not corrected)

[wooden kiln]

Let's just hope I get raid trinkets soon and stop asking myself questions aha

[clever sapphire]

yap thats the easiest answer

but if you look at the pins you will see where fragment is currently in the trinkets

[quaint carbon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-blink-blinky-blinky-bingus-gif-19598171

bingus?

😦

[clever sapphire]

so davyn just fronted you and me with a single message, damn

[young briar]

Boi's Some answers please, where am i missing my 2k dps, So this log is an almost perfect Rashok Kill however I did get PI cus #streamerbenefits BUT i need someone to point and laugh where im going wrong: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ktDx2Pb9LFvYjBwM#fight=28&type=damage-done

[clever sapphire]

i suck at reading logs, but one thing i could say is that your tset just procced, so probably if the fight had gone on for another 20 sec or so

[young briar]

so fight timing again

All these parse are long fights

so i just need quicker fights to get higher

[clever sapphire]

i mean thats just my assumption, there are smart guys here who will probably point out that you used mutilate 1 times too much or some crazy thing like that

[young briar]

yeah wheres my boi Whispyr

@balmy condor - Point and laugh at my mistakes pls

[raven merlin]

enhancer is missing

[young briar]

windfury

ok thats a solid point

[raven merlin]

but think with pi its like the gain u miss with wf

maybe

[keen spruce]

fight length dif

also padding with 1/3 of the raid dead in p3 echo

[young briar]

is that HC or myth

[keen spruce]

heroic

[young briar]

well yeah just padding

change the logs to damage to bosses

[clever sapphire]

also maybe the fact that you dont have beacon, seeing how broken beacon dmg is 🤔

[young briar]

tru and real

HC Sark tonight

so

prayge bois

didnt drop on NM

[gaunt moat]

Heroic Kazzara timing are so cursed now. She dies THE MOMENT deathmark is off cooldown

[royal lantern]

Sounds stupid, but like

i got 120k something on rashok cus i have beacon+dispenser and was lucky with their crits

[young briar]

RNG KEKW

Love this game

[royal lantern]

95+ is really just

do you have beacon?

[young briar]

XD

[royal lantern]

did beacon crit on all casts?

[young briar]

Ok so i gotta prayge harder

my stats without a corrupting rage

i know ive been told too much vers before

but cant help it atm

[royal lantern]

because turns out, having a trinket that does ~1,2million dmg on a crit 2x during a fight is helping a bit with dps

and if you dont crit, its half of that

I LOVE RNG I LOVE RNG I LOVE RNG

[keen spruce]

i did all of my parsin before anyone got beacon

[clever sapphire]

grieftorch was better, the rng there was if people died

[keen spruce]

but now i'll never get another pink the whole season

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-23756243

no beacon there u go

[gaunt moat]

Yesterday I had 170k dps pull on zaqali assault (mythic) and I inted it by missing soaking the door 🥲
could have been rank 5~

[royal lantern]

yeha, wont get that now

[keen spruce]

we're doin heroic tomorrow

we'll see how down bad it is now

[royal lantern]

cus like, 126k on rashok heroic was a 99 for me

and #1 has 130k something

[keen spruce]

our other rogue sandbagged all of their gear the first 3 weeks

[gaunt moat]

how the fuck are you getting 126k on rashok

[keen spruce]

so he's probably gonna get all of the mythic tier and trinkets

[royal lantern]

rng

[young briar]

#Beacon

[royal lantern]

no externals

[gaunt moat]

WAIT

rashok.

[royal lantern]

litearlly just 2:49 killtimer and rng lol

[keen spruce]

beacon should be an external

on warcraft logs

[gaunt moat]

i got confused with sarkareth

carry on.

[blazing jewel]

2:49 kill timer

is this normal rashok

[keen spruce]

we did 3:30 2 weeks ago

on heroic

[hallow sonnet]

Assault kill times are wild with phase skip

[blazing jewel]

last time my guild did heroic we nearly killed him while he was healing from the bird lol

with rat characters in the raid too

[gaunt moat]

Yeah on Rashok i was also at 124k

[keen spruce]

122k

if i played exang i beat notter

[gaunt moat]

annulet did 2m for me

[keen spruce]

well actually if i play exang i push wrong buttons and do like 90k

i haven't used annulet in like 2 weeks

but if it's proccin that thing still slaps

[gaunt moat]

what do you mean you haven't used it

[keen spruce]

441 rings sim better for me

[gaunt moat]

I don't believe that.

[keen spruce]

lemmy check again

it's been a while since i checked

[gaunt moat]

Even a 447 best stats ring isn't simming better than annulet for me

[keen spruce]

there has been some sim changes and my gear is way different now

standby

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e6G2GLVJMGgGLCd35Z59p2

ye still no annulet

even worse with exang

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Q4dsGkfgtopMfgCnojQZF

[young briar]

Any log reviewers bois?

or was general consensus just RNG

• beacon

or lack thereof

[grim jay]

Why are people getting a hard one over beacon

If bomb dispenser is better on average

Might just be my sims tho

[royal lantern]

big dmg number makes brain send out the happy happy chemicals

[grim jay]

Yeah but having bomb or not is a bigger diff than beacon or not

[gaunt moat]

AHHHHHH
YOU CAN PUT ALCHEMICAL FALVOR POCKET ON WEAPON
I'm so stupid
i fucked up. bad.

[grim jay]

Especially if you are like me and crit 20% of the time with 50% crit + 10% sod with beacon

[gaunt moat]

Now i'm not gonna spend 70k on another one just for 500dps 😢

[rocky ruin]

Cause its bacon

[grim jay]

I have it on ring

[gaunt moat]

You crafted a ring? madman

[grim jay]

What can I do. 447 weapon, both 447 crafted embellishment pieces, 441 farmed waist and wrist

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

Ring with free socket simmed way higher than upgrading waist or wrist

[clever sapphire]

you guys have rings? still running a 421 crit mastery ring from last season and onyx

[gaunt moat]

I crafted shoulders this week. and put alchemical flavor on em' so I can keep toxic patch on my 424 wrist.
I should have used alchemical on weapon, moved toxic patch to shoulders, and just equip higher ilvl wrist.

But now it's too late. gotta delete character and start over.

[fallen charm]

I had a flavr on my back from last season

[royal lantern]

made wrist with toxic Patch, cus i needed a Patch+wrist was 437

[fallen charm]

I'm positive if I ever craft one this season I'll get the sark cloak

[royal lantern]

and still no flavor pocket cus i always sell them

[gaunt moat]

sell them to me cheap 🥲

I have yet to have a single one drop.

[grim jay]

Just

Recraft?

[gaunt moat]

Yeah... in two weeks... 🥲

[balmy condor]

why do you have to wait 2 weeks

just get a flavor packet and recraft it now

[gaunt moat]

70k, that's too much for me

[balmy condor]

and it's not going to be too much in 2 weeks?

[gaunt moat]

in two weeks i can recraft bracers to 447

[keen spruce]

you don't have a stable of soup whoores

?

that sit at the yes chef

[balmy condor]

oh

right

cause you crafted shoulders

yeah idk you're on your own for that one

[keen spruce]

where does crafted shoulders stack up against hat crafters?

[balmy condor]

shoulder is the worse craft easily

hat crafters can claim same ilvl but better stats

[gaunt moat]

I have one dracthyr alt i haven't used for 5 months. maybe i should try with him

[balmy condor]

shoulder crafters are replacing crit/haste tier shoulders with crafted

and then missing out on 450's from mythic

[keen spruce]

ye just park anything higher than 60 at the soup

[balmy condor]

actual downgrade

[young briar]

Ooo Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Ooo Zug

what's good

[young briar]

@balmy condor - Could you do me the honours

[balmy condor]

brother

that's a 98

[young briar]

but its not a 99

[keen spruce]

crit more

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

people when they realise specs have variance

[keen spruce]

proc more shit

[subtle tundra]

in their dps

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

crit the beacon better

idk

thats 7k

[young briar]

Basically i know Beacon is a big factor

i just need to know if i played the fight right

if i did then im happy

[keen spruce]

u 98 parsed and the boss died

sounds right to me

[young briar]

im a perfectionist and need to know im doing everything right

[keen spruce]

well you're not running exanguinate

[subtle tundra]

then your biggest mistake is playing the wrong spec

[keen spruce]

that's about 2k dps right there

you're playin assas

[young briar]

i enjoy this spec too much to swap

[keen spruce]

which is very not perfect

[subtle tundra]

then play exsang