assassination

[balmy condor]

big trinkey

it's big now though

[ebon notch]

Mahoosive

[strange python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/190168137109340170/1113183316124897382/image.png

[balmy condor]

dagger's in the wrong slot

[autumn frost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[autumn frost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor

trinky in the right slot

[balmy condor]

yeh but that's the icky trinky

[keen spruce]

i'm like 400th on the prio list for bacon

[balmy condor]

did you tell them that you have high crit chance

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

give bacon I crit boys

[ebon notch]

I line it up with wings

Infinite crit

[balmy condor]

I use it during recklessness

checkmate aethist

[ebon notch]

Respectable

[keen spruce]

but bloodmallet says fragment better

[balmy condor]

what we thinkin

frag sims get fixed before 10.1.5

[keen spruce]

wuts goin on with frag sims

[arctic current]

Are you saying I need bacon?

[tacit otter]

any estimates on how much its oversimming?

[keen spruce]

I didn't know they were borked

[balmy condor]

nope

actually super difficult to figure out

[balmy condor]

bacon better

[tacit otter]

how was it figured out then?

[balmy condor]

how was what figured out

we don't know how much it's oversimming

[tacit otter]

fragment oversimming

[keen spruce]

oh is it just not reducing the agi by the right amount / the correct frequency?

[balmy condor]

well it's easy to see

hard to know how much it makes

[balmy condor]

mut ain't proccing it in sims

[autumn frost]

Socket or 444 frenzying signoll flare

[keen spruce]

just don't press mutilate during fragment

accurate sims

myth busted

[balmy condor]

would be a socket for me but idk your character or what your outlook on trinkets is

[autumn frost]

Still using 421 trinkets from last season.

puzzle and whispering incarnate

[keen spruce]

if you want to be unhappy use signoll flare

[balmy condor]

yeh

signoll is like

super mediocre

but upgrades are upgrades I guess

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean it'd probably be a good bump over puzzle icon

but like

u gotta air strike yourself

[balmy condor]

what

that's raid horn

[keen spruce]

oh

[severe oyster]

Is dragonfire trinket on gcd?

[keen spruce]

oh yeah signoll you call in the boi

[spice spire]

Idk if this helps, but I did this earlier.
Where using sepsis, beacon fucks with the lights on, it’s kind of whatever if you take sbs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jeLpgn6Q4gHUqxD3j94fKo

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d7daKMQ1KFQEzV3dKnQvFL

[keen spruce]

quake where is all of your gear

[spice spire]

On the Paladin in my team

That mf was fed 442 week 2

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

you mean exsang right

[spice spire]

No trinkets
Barely have 4p
Wife left me
George left me

All I have is this

fuck

I knew I messed something up in the sim

[balmy condor]

sepsis has nothing to do with fragment

it's just exsang

[gusty mirage]

neck is decent at least

if that's the haste/mastery one

[keen spruce]

is frag also oversimming for sub?

dungeon slice seems to really like it

[gusty mirage]

undersimming?

[proper tapir]

Lol he said George left him

[keen spruce]

oversimming*

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

maybe if you got rid of that exang icon

they'd come back

[obtuse vale]

@balmy condor I have been pretty lucky and got dragon bomb dispenser last week and beacon today. What's the best way to manage them. Do I use beacon 1st and then bomb throughout beacons cooldown? The cooldowns are a bit awkward to manage...

[balmy condor]

yeh

if you're not losing a cast of beacon you can bomb first

but beacon first and then spam bomb is perfectly fine

like If I delay the beacon until after deathmark on mythic magmorax

fitting in the 3rd cast gets really tight

so probably want to beacon first on that

then bomb after

[obtuse vale]

Sweet. Thx for the quick reply!

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

np

[quasi steeple]

Hey good people, hope everyone's doing fine. New here and wanted to ask: Is it ok to go for 2p S1 + 2p S2? I started playing "seriously" like 1 week ago and i'm trying to catch up

[balmy condor]

yep

2+2 is usually better than old 4pc

new 4pc better than 2+2

so no issues there

[quasi steeple]

Awesome

That leads to my 2nd question of the day (sorry in advance)

[balmy condor]

no btw, it's just mutilate being fucked because of double hit spell coding black magic

[keen spruce]

[quasi steeple]

I have these options, seems head like the worst one, but that trinket makes me doubt

[keen spruce]

bomba very good

[balmy condor]

trinket it bis

you'd probably take it and upgrade as high as you can

[quasi steeple]

With one of those tier pieces i will complete the 2p (rocking the 4p S1)

And these ones are the trinkets i have rn (ik, old af)

[quasi steeple]

Yea, thats why i'm in crysis

[balmy condor]

trinket is more rare than the tier

so idk

I'd still take trinket

[obtuse vale]

The trinkets fun to play with too

3 charges. 10 secs. You're constantly pushing it in your rotation

I was gonna say the same this a whispyr too. The rarely on the trinket is harder to come by then the tier

[eager solstice]

is assa sim bait compared to sub? Looking at logs sub is overperforming sims and assa is underperforming, no @balmy condor

[arctic current]

Tier is so easy to get now, plus everyone else prob is already 4 set

[obtuse vale]

Also...keep in mind the catalyst comes out in like 2 weeks.

[balmy condor]

[quasi steeple]

Yea, trinkets are more disputed

[balmy condor]

you mean like

the whole spec is simbait?

[quasi steeple]

Will go for trinket, thanks for the feedback!

[eager solstice]

our sims just seem to be inflated compared to what logs are showing

[balmy condor]

idk skill issue I guess

[spice spire]

It is almost as if.
Our fights are not 5m pure patchwerk fights

[balmy condor]

I did 116k on rashok with 114k sim

[spice spire]

Only one that’s close is magmorax

[eager solstice]

really impressed with that, innovative build too

[quasi steeple]

oh! I have another question. When is the right time to change lariat?

[spice spire]

I did 98k with a 95k sim in the beginning. It’s doable. It’s just like.
Mechanics exist too y’know

[balmy condor]

as soon as possible

[balmy condor]

blame blizzard for hotfixing a gigantic sepsis buff

[quasi steeple]

Ohhh is that bad?

[eager solstice]

you feel assa is the go to in pure st fights or do you think just say fuck it and go sub? Sounds like assa is competitive but to squeeze all the juice stars have to align

[balmy condor]

I don't think assa is the go anywhere

[gilded oasis]

go in the garbage

[obtuse vale]

Just can be easily replaced by better stats

[balmy condor]

compared to the better embellishements yeh

I replaced my lariat on day 2

[obtuse vale]

The toxic patch is good

[winged veldt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

had 421 boots from season 1

and the moment I got a half-decent neck from like a +6

lariat was gone

[quasi steeple]

So, boots with toxic and lariat out for a diff neck

[balmy condor]

boots alone

don't even need toxic

plenty of people running cowl + boots

cause they cant get rid of the eranog ring yet

[quasi steeple]

I think the underking, but not sure

[quasi steeple]

Yep, I'm on that situation

[balmy condor]

I don't think there's any difference between the two frankly

at lower gear the pendant probably wins

but with a decent gear score you're gonna be drowning in crit I doubt it matters at all

[drifting cloud]

my guy with 5.5k crit wants more of it

[quasi steeple]

I have 4.6k rn

And 3.8k of mastery

Lacking on the 2nd one i feel

[drifting cloud]

but its a neck, you upgrade one upgrading the other one will be almost free

[balmy condor]

3.8 is pretty fucking high lmao

[quasi steeple]

Really? hahahaha

[balmy condor]

people at around 2.5 atm I think from the sims I've seen

[quasi steeple]

And how about haste?

[balmy condor]

but secondary stats are all bait anyway

so what does it matter

[quasi steeple]

Have 872 xD

[balmy condor]

haste I have no clue

[weak horizon]

When does crit hit diminishing returns?

[balmy condor]

when it sims lower

[weak horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/moody-tartar-cat-grumpy-angry-gif-4953505

[balmy condor]

I mean really whats it matter

[weak horizon]

Just general knowledge I guess

But I also do see what you're getting at

[balmy condor]

but if you can't use the knowledge at all

is it still knowledge

[weak horizon]

Yeah, just useless knowledge

[balmy condor]

guess so

[weak horizon]

But that's semantic, and I see what you mean ultimately

[balmy condor]

idk, it's probably on google somewhere

I haven't memorized them

I can't even take the time to know my own stats

[honest mantle]

Annulet is allegedly BIS all patch but im simming 700 dps higher with a regular 441 ring, should i just take it? or is there somethign im not seeing

[balmy condor]

yep if it sims higher use it

[honest mantle]

awsome ty

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

brother

[gusty mirage]

bro its not my fault

[balmy condor]

that's PLUS 40

[gusty mirage]

like

WHAT DO I DO

[balmy condor]

you don't wear fragment

illness

you know what

fuck you

I'm gonna pull up your logs right now and do the math by hand

to see how much fragment is oversimming

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[tardy oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

that's quite a large number of deeps right there

[balmy condor]

are you benched on magmorax

wtf

[gusty mirage]

no

[balmy condor]

oh

[gusty mirage]

we didn't kill it

[balmy condor]

I had to scroll down on the meters

mb

[gusty mirage]

whatever you say mr. 101

[balmy condor]

bro Idk what has more grey, your hair or your logs

old ass

[gusty mirage]

did you kill heroic sark yet?

or is blas0n jr making you skip work on wednesdays to get it?

[balmy condor]

I did actually

and it gave me nothing

[gusty mirage]

good

you didn't deserve it

trifling ass bitch

[balmy condor]

you weren't even using fragment in these logs

what the hell

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

bro's actually gonna make me pull up slurp logs

jesus christ

I feel disgusting

[gusty mirage]

I mean

even without frag

I'm at 3800

er

3622

[oak sky]

slurp

[gusty mirage]

don't make fun of the 2 day guild that was so excited to raid they raided 3 days

[oak sky]

i love slurp

[drifting cloud]

ok split doers!!

[gusty mirage]

yeah that 1 extra day we raided week 1

that we advertise

vs people pretending they're 2-3 day guilds

and raid 3-4 days

weird

[balmy condor]

uh oh, oxi defending splits!

[drifting cloud]

split requires me to have more than 1 lvl 70

[gusty mirage]

we did not require anyone to have alts

it was a voluntary basis

you're just too busy playing lost ark to play an alt

and that's okay

[balmy condor]

aight so like

this isn't looking great

[drifting cloud]

for oxi or for fragment

[gusty mirage]

yes

have you seen my parses?

[balmy condor]

oxi hasn't looked great in years

but I'm talking fragment

[gusty mirage]

📸

[drifting cloud]

who cares if youre 7/13 or 9/13 oxxi

youre still nr. 1 in my heart

[gusty mirage]

whispyr gets purple and changes his tune

weird

jealousy is ugly on you king

now that you're not #1 in my heart anymore

@rigid mango is

[woeful meteor]

How do the procs from Annulet Boots etc work are they just unhasted ppm or is there something to maximize about them

[balmy condor]

someone explain to me

how fragment stacks work

4893
4846
4403

cause that ain't mathin

[gusty mirage]

I can't

[balmy condor]

its 20 stacks

but the first stack removed was 47 agi

[gusty mirage]

it decays faster the lower your stacks get

ig

[balmy condor]

and then the second was over 400

[woeful meteor]

they remove stats by a random amount obviously

[balmy condor]

and if it's 400 every time

then it can't have 20 stacks

who made this thing

[gusty mirage]

I was told I'm not allowed to say mean things about blizzard

but probably the same guy who made the decay profession embellishments

[thorn fjord]

New affix is a vibe

[gusty mirage]

idk I tested it on PTR

[thorn fjord]

Let your healer handle it

[gusty mirage]

and was unimpressed

still unimpressed

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS TRINKET

[drifting cloud]

its clearly undersimming

[balmy condor]

WHY AM I GETTING DIFFERENT NUMBERS NOW

[gusty mirage]

I had 1 stack remove 40 agi

and one stack remove 320

so

my idea of it exponentially decaying, also wrong

it just makes it divide by 20

in any way it can

ig

[thorn fjord]

Big gamba play

If it is rng then that’s wild lol

[gusty mirage]

I'm about to equip my dice

and call it a day

because bomba + beacon is a nightmare

[runic hinge]

Same

[balmy condor]

aight so 4893->4648->4403

[drifting cloud]

bro what

[balmy condor]

that's 245

[drifting cloud]

thats just lazy talk

[balmy condor]

every time

right

we'll take that

[gusty mirage]

keep going

see the time where it clearly decays by less than 100

[balmy condor]

no

fuck you

[gusty mirage]

lol

[balmy condor]

I'm going with 245 per stack

holy

I fucking hate

this trinket

this is like the poison trinket in shadowlands

where it has 4 tooltips

and none of them are right

[gusty mirage]

also 4983

tooltip reads 4892

[balmy condor]

yepge

can't be fucked

I'm just gonna say its 245 per stack

and live my life in bliss

[gusty mirage]

yeah fair enough

so each mutilate is -490

[balmy condor]

no

each mutilate is 245

[gusty mirage]

[winged kindle]

Mine was 4893

[balmy condor]

don't confuse me chocolate chip

this is hard enough already

[gusty mirage]

it is lazy talk

it is 100% lazy talk

[thorn fjord]

Think it’s working as intended?

[storm belfry]

@gusty mirage

notice something gone

[thorn fjord]

Right there with you king @storm belfry

[gusty mirage]

I noticed atrocity yoinked the shit bomba WA and slapped it into his WA pack

[balmy condor]

aight so if you do 1 stack per second

a 441 fragment would give you 51,450 agility seconds

[storm belfry]

hell yeah

[drifting cloud]

just bind bomb shiv or something

[gusty mirage]

I do

but it puts beacon on cd

for 30s

[drifting cloud]

10s

[gusty mirage]

same shit

well actually

no 30s

because on shiv and mutilate

it constantly gets used

[thorn fjord]

If you wait to use it after dm it lines up right before your second shiv

[drifting cloud]

it has a 2:30 cd you know how many uses you will get before you ever pull bosses

[thorn fjord]

With bomb macrod to mutilate

[drifting cloud]

I just send it before sepsis

[thorn fjord]

I send after dm drops off

[gusty mirage]

with exsang?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[drifting cloud]

I dont play exsang

[gusty mirage]

based

[drifting cloud]

actually forgot to sim the diffy

[thorn fjord]

I prefer the exsang opener lol

[drifting cloud]

because custom apl was acting up for whatever reason

[gusty mirage]

I prefer my balls on your face dieslow

how about that

[thorn fjord]

Damnit

[oak sky]

Real

[thorn fjord]

It’s Tuesday I only do that kinda stuff on the weekends

[drifting cloud]

surely its similiar how last tier, no fragment, the difference has to be alot smaller right?

[balmy condor]

aight feel free to check my work

fragment is oversimming by 18%

[oak sky]

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/itsalwayssunny-pepesilva-conspiracy-gif-19662447

Whispyr right now

[drifting cloud]

less than 18% if I dont hit my globals

[thorn fjord]

Jeez

[quasi steeple]

So, fragment is bait?

[balmy condor]

by 18%

[thorn fjord]

That’s kinda big no?

[balmy condor]

that

would be roughly where it should be

[gusty mirage]

[honest mantle]

I thought i read something about your stronger dagger being placed in off-hand is that right? or am i being schizo

[somber sparrow]

kind of easy decision - bomb dispenser for vault (but fang of sundered flame is also an option)

[gusty mirage]

you're welcome guys

[somber sparrow]

because the fang would go offhand so

[gusty mirage]

I annoyed whispyr into answering your question of "should I farm halls of infusion for fragment?"

[balmy condor]

schizo as hell

[honest mantle]

gotcha

ty

[keen spruce]

[arctic current]

I just looted my 447 fraggy why you gotta do me like this?

[thorn fjord]

Damn i just vendored my dice too

[strange python]

This doesn't make me feel better about my dice.

[thorn fjord]

I'll prob restore mine now lol

Meh but maybe not actually

[ashen totem]

I was so confused why my 447 dice was beating fragment in sims last week, this helps LMAO

[strange python]

I took 447 dice and regret it

[storm forum]

Is this because mutilate counts as 2 casts or is it something else?

[strange python]

Looks like a clear nelth and bomb angle

[high berry]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[split grail]

which dragonflight is crit for the trink?

Black?

[honest mantle]

mastery one

blue

azure

[tardy oak]

!whyspyr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

What's up with the kazzara heroic log lol

[woeful meteor]

wait how tf did 20 people from some late CE Guild get 20 dif r1s on kazz

[strange python]

Some sort of bug surely

[woeful meteor]

there is a 200k dps resto shaman on kazz

Guess there is some sort of bug witht the fight

[gusty mirage]

probably edited the logs

[keen spruce]

appears to be some fuckery

[gusty mirage]

lol

it'll get flagged

and they'll get them removed

[drifting cloud]

its jsut edited

600mil dmg done on kazarra

[tawny pike]

do we still use fierce armor kit?

[wraith cosmos]

look at the resto shaman's log

its 3 mins of lust fight

[subtle stream]

Yes

Unless you want INT… ><

[tawny pike]

i thought there was like a new shadowflame armor kit

[spice surge]

There is one with vers thats about the same as the regular one but it doesnt give stamina

[balmy condor]

Fragment Update
This will update when it gets fixed in sims. If you're reading this, it's not fixed

Irideus Fragment is oversimming, by not counting mutilate hits properly. I did a super rough estimate of how this would affect it. It results in an approximate 18% oversim. Again, this is sims showing the trinket higher than the actual performance in game. It's working as intended in game. Below is an estimate of where the trinket would fall on the rankings. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1113269881182355468/image.png?width=810&height=493

[balmy condor]

!ts

[prisma monolith]

<t:1685500098:f>

[thick sail]

@balmy condor for the Onyx Annulet to be good in M+, is it okay to use the random proc gem, the blood stone, and the frost one?

[keen spruce]

i think you put a storm instead of frost iirc? but maybe not on assas idk

[thick sail]

Or do I absolutely need to change the random proc gem to the one that makes heals and DMG proc off each other?

@keen spruce oh, hmm

[keen spruce]

o pretty sure you use twilight and blood

[balmy condor]

you do this in raid

you do this in m+

[ornate zodiac]

@balmy condor Why you do dis to me

[thick sail]

I see, gotcha

[keen spruce]

@ornate zodiac i just got one too at 447

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not a bad trinket

[keen spruce]

back to freehold

the new gulag

[balmy condor]

why would you do that

[ornate zodiac]

I don't have anything else tbh. Just that and dice rn. Bomba doesn't exist.

[keen spruce]

idk dice seem gud

for sub too

i'm not gettin a beacon any time soon

[balmy condor]

dice is just as good, maybe worse than frag

[keen spruce]

wait nvm dice not taht good for sub

i guess i bribe loot council to give me the boomkin's class trinket until we can get further down the beacon prio list

[gusty mirage]

there's extra words in this sentence

you coulda stopped at "not that good"

[runic hinge]

441 dice was my biggest upgrade in vault 🪦

[gusty mirage]

I mean they're solid

just not good

[keen spruce]

if the initial napkin math for fragment is accurate then it's gonna be the best outta m+ no?

or >= at least

[gusty mirage]

ye

[earnest remnant]

considering harlan is over it sim wise

glad i listened to oxi and didn't farm fragment in case i need to play assa on Sark

he a real one

[balmy condor]

glad oxi listened to me and didn't tell stealthi to farm fragment

[earnest remnant]

lol

[gusty mirage]

you told me not to farm it after I already farmed it

[keen spruce]

I spent 7 years in the gulag farming it

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant found your NA guild

[earnest remnant]

i wouldnt have the rank panda who?

id be Trash panda overlord

[gusty mirage]

I said your guild

not you

for that reason

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

imma sue them

[gusty mirage]

I gotchu

[earnest remnant]

its my schtick

[gusty mirage]

I'll swear you in

pro hac vice

[keen spruce]

royalties on racoon IP must be killer

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

thye cant also base their entire personality around be obsessed about raccoons

[keen spruce]

not enough mastery

[balmy condor]

are you over 120k sim now

[gusty mirage]

yes

[balmy condor]

pog

large cock

[gusty mirage]

will prolly still gray parse mag

its ok

cause I'm good at the game

honest

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/alkaizer-diablo3-serious-gif-15136186

[balmy condor]

I just broke 120 today

with spark

118k on magmorax

boutta busta

[silk bane]

oxi can you please come with me to TP the house of whoever made kazara?

how is this real

legit 35 seconds of going to west antarctica cuz people are animals.

[drifting cloud]

you tank her in corner, drop stuff literally in melee range of her

and slowly move her across the room

[silk bane]

bro theres this thing called warlocks

they sit in china

and dont move

or do mechanics

[gilded seal]

!whispyr

[earnest remnant]

go gromnak on them

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[silk bane]

gromnak was right this whole time

[keen spruce]

how tight is the rashok check? i kinda feel like were gonna clap it this weekend

[thick sail]

So

Raidbots apparently will let me sim on my phone if I copy the string of text, email it to myself, and paste it into raidbots from my phone

[balmy condor]

shouldn't be that tight anymore with 3rd spark

[thick sail]

I... Do not understand

[keen spruce]

we started makin all of our ranged stand next to far rifts before lasers even come out

cuz they were leavin them in africa

[lean fossil]

does anyone know what the uptime of the voice of the silent star is in a fight?

[earnest remnant]

like 6-7%

[lean fossil]

thanks

[thick sail]

Interesting. Sims are telling me that for Dungeonslice, my 408 ilev crafted dagger with the blue silk embellishment sims 128 DPS higher than my 424 offhand dagger with no embellishment

I was gonna use my second embellishment on the toxic patch to go with the boots

What items can I actually put the toxic patch on? The tooltip is super unhelpful D:

[keen spruce]

leather only

normally belt or bracer

crafted

[rocky ruin]

Head would be Option too

[keen spruce]

yeah if you can get tier in the other slots

[rocky ruin]

If you dont own a tier head

[keen spruce]

head is a good option

bad stats

[rocky ruin]

Is versa/haste or versa/mast

[runic hinge]

See I have all 4 other tier slots but I kinda want engi helm because I didn’t spend all this gold on engi to not use it

[keen spruce]

then throw it on some bracers

[oak tangle]

"Fixed an issue where players sometimes left combat between when boss creatures were active." dunno if anyone here thought that was an issue

[oak sky]

its the forgotten experiments thing no?

[thick sail]

I don't have any tier from season 2 yet 🥲

I'm leaning toward the head, since my head is 408, but I imagine swapping it out and losing the 4 piece season 1 bonus will hurt

I also am engineering so the head might be nice?

I also like the needlessly complex wrist guards because, iirc, I could put a battle rez gem in there, but NCW might count as an embellishment without a toxic patch

The TLDR here is I try to read as much as I can while I'm not at work but there's a lot of conflicting information out there and some of it is very poorly presented with a lot of acronyms / assumptions that you already partially know what you're doing, so optimizing gets very painful for someone new to this season

[balmy condor]

Yeah they hotfixed it because of forgotten experiments

[fringe spear]

This happens on last boss of Hoi too

[runic hinge]

If you don’t have any tier from s2 I’d put your embellishments on non-tier slots so you don’t end up having to swap later on

Engi bracers don’t count as embellishment so don’t worry about that

[thick sail]

That's a smart idea, so belt or bracers would be the only options then, I guess

Oh good, so the engineering bracers sound like the best bet!

[runic hinge]

I’d go belt if you wanna keep using your bracers. You can’t put the patch on them tho

[thick sail]

Oh, I can't put the toxic patch on the engineering bracers? What a cursed game lol

[runic hinge]

No you cannot lol. That would be too easy for blizzard standards.

[thick sail]

It seems insane that the toxic boots are a +1800 DPS increase while the blue silk embellished dagger is +100 DPS

[runic hinge]

The thing is you can’t assume 100% uptime on the blue silken. And they also recently buffed the boots. Plus the patch will make them even better

[flint raptor]

Hi guys, i can take 444 classtrinket, what im wearing is 437 dice and 437 irideus.
Sim says +67dps when i take classtrinket+irideus.
Should i go with Classtrinket and Dice cause of the "oversim Irideus"?

[weak horizon]

Any of you guys know how vanish interacts with the forgemaster in neltharus?

Sometimes it cancels the mech entirely and sometimes it just skips me

Any idea how that works?

[gusty mirage]

the hammer has an order

if you're first and you vanish it

it'll skip it completely

because you were first in line

if you're 2nd or 3rd it'll skip just you

[weak horizon]

Ah I see, any way to force you being first like fenryr?

Or just random

[gusty mirage]

I'm not sure, I haven't done that shit dungeon enough to test it out

whoever designed the mammoth boss can eat a bag of dicks

[young briar]

It proc''d leech too bois

[gusty mirage]

it might be tied to distance though @weak horizon

worth testing on a m0

and just resetting

[balmy condor]

Irideus and dice are about equal at same ilvl

[slow tulip]

first the embelishment rug pull, now the trinket :/

[oak tangle]

deffs neccesary, the feral and sins needed a nerf on that fight

i get it broke some people's trinkets, but it was a cool interaction that tbh should exist

[balmy condor]

I think that’s an insane take

But yeh sure

[oak tangle]

😄 in the grand scheme it is incredibly minor i know

[hollow vault]

i didn't think the fragment hit would be that big omfg

18%

[slow tulip]

now we need beacon too xD

[hollow vault]

ick

[balmy condor]

You needed beacon before as well

[hollow vault]

no beacon no bomb why live

just these lame 447 dice

[balmy condor]

Good luck parsing without beacon lmao

[hollow vault]

[balmy condor]

You miss a beacon crit, there goes your 99

[hollow vault]

this game cringe fr

[slow tulip]

so you needed beacon before too, cuz the chance of critting ?

[balmy condor]

If you want to parse, yeah

[slow tulip]

i want bosses to die faster

xD

[hollow vault]

barse high boss die mhmm

[balmy condor]

Then play sub

What are you doing here

[hollow vault]

lmfao so true

[royal lantern]

you mean "dont play rogue"

cus we aint the guys pulling the big dmg

[slow tulip]

on sims atleast all specs are pretty much equal on ST, assa actually pulling ahead, so i guess its a preference thing on pure ST bosses atleast donno

i only play sub in M+ cuz black powder

[balmy condor]

Yeah except the part where if the kill times aren’t good, like they are 90% of the time, Assassination dies

[steel ridge]

This

[slow tulip]

rip ye

[royal lantern]

who cares

5min patchwerk sim high

"high"

[slow tulip]

mid of the pack 😛

[deft flicker]

Sinning

[slow tulip]

father, i have sinned

[deft flicker]

It happens, my son

[slow tulip]

[deft flicker]

You did what had to be done

[balmy condor]

1 additional beacon crit is worth 2k dps

Very cool

[sour citrus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

so, your beacon does not always crit?

must be a defect, it always crits for me (i am joking)

[steel ridge]

idk what blizzard thought when they made that trinket only do one big hit

[slow tulip]

hope this will be " fixed " in sims soon xD

[balmy condor]

No mine always crits 100% every time, I play outlaw with legendary shoulders from legion

[royal lantern]

whisp plays outlaw

allright

stop

[vestal wren]

oh, thats smart

[balmy condor]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-2/6296406-21-halls-of-infusion

[vestal wren]

447 dice, nice

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Preferred playing a passive trinket

Outlaw already is too many buttons

Didn’t also want to play double on use

[vestal wren]

think you could have taken more active buttons in your build

[balmy condor]

Oh I definitely could’ve yeah

[rocky ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-22302351

that how i imagine to play outlaw

[balmy condor]

honestly yeah

at any point in time you could be hitting 4 different buttons

but one of them is like HIT ME FIRST

[slow tulip]

law is fine if you are 18-25y old

[tardy basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[signal badger]

any warcraft log wizards able to tell me how to find the uptime for stealth garrote?

[winter gale]

When we say Patch we mean Toxified Armor Patch, right?

[signal badger]

yep that with the boots are the go to embellishment right now

[grim jay]

27 and I dont get the outlaw button complains

I legit dont have more binds for outlaw than for sin and sub

[clever sapphire]

same

i think its more about spamming those buttons

than actually having too many

[grim jay]

Some said that tho

[clever sapphire]

ah i didnt read everything, mb

[grim jay]

And ye, the difficulty of high apm is very subjective. I see how some might have issues with that

[clever sapphire]

i mean if you go from assa to outlaw its understandable

funnily enough i get fingercramps from playing too much sub in m+

but outlaw doesnt do anything

[grim jay]

Yeah thats why I always say its subjective

The whole difficulty question between rogue specs is

[clever sapphire]

yap thats true

[vestal wren]

try reducing your button count

unless you play super high keys, can always switch tornado -> sf or flag -> db (or both)

(can play with that just fine in a 20 or 21)

[clever sapphire]

i think its more that im using shuriken storm into bp constantly, and its usually those 2 fingers. Im not sure tho why because i have the same buttons on assa for my aoe rota

its probably just something in my head and has nothing to do with sub

or i only pay attention to it when im tired i dunno

[vestal wren]

maybe your storm and bp button are not positioned very good

[royal lantern]

lol, older then me

https://tenor.com/view/boomer-alert-speaker-alarm-gif-15124610

[marsh grail]

my man out here doing finger gymnastics

using entire keyboard

[clever sapphire]

4 and 5, as i said probably in my head

because i realise it like once a week or 2 weeks

[royal lantern]

i do R for fok/weeb fok and shift r for CT/BP

[grim jay]

I take pride in being a boomer since I first had contact with zoomers

[marsh grail]

idk if this helps but i use Alt+2 for tornado and C for bp

[royal lantern]

dont need to change my position for mindless aoe spamm that way

man i just noticed

FoK and shurike storm really is the " Thing, Thing Japan" meme

[clever sapphire]

well i have a general layout that i use for every class/spec.
1 is my main spam ability, 2 is main dmg/spender, 3 is something i dont press as often but still important, 4/5 is usually aoe

[grim jay]

Imagine unbinding your character window from c so you cant see all the glorious sockets on your gear you got from vault

Mid fight

[marsh grail]

i used to do that soo much

then i changed that to Alt+C

[vestal wren]

4 and 5 is not that good tbh

because it uses the same finger

ideally you have builder/finisher on keys that don't use the same finger to reduce hand movement

[grim jay]

Well kidney and sectec are 4 and 5 respectively for me

Which both dont get spamed

[clever sapphire]

okay thats true, never thought about that. But its so hardcoded in my head at this point, not sure if i can rewrite my head to other binds

[grim jay]

So its fine

[clever sapphire]

kidney is on shift+T for me xD

[grim jay]

You barely kidney do you ?

[clever sapphire]

this season and last? ye

i use it as an interrupt

but i actually had to use it a lot of times with spiteful afflicted

i realised how shit my stun keybinds are when i tried out pvping a bit

so i left them where they were

[storm onyx]

which ability we bindd the Bomb trink again?

[clever sapphire]

your choice

do you have another on use trinket?

[slow tulip]

if you have another on use trink you gotta have a keybind for it

[storm onyx]

Yea Beacon

[clever sapphire]

if no just bind it to envenom/rupture/mutilate/shiv whatever

[storm onyx]

kk

[steel spire]

on use trinkets are evil

[clever sapphire]

channel trinkets are evil

on use is okay

[royal lantern]

eh, yes no

like, i have bomb macro on garrote/rupture/shiv, and beacon is mostly "use after DM and then on CD outside of DM" anyway

[clever sapphire]

im not sure if i should be happy or feel cursed. First week 1 had 4 tset slots in my vault, this week i have 3

but im already full tset

[balmy condor]

except if you do that on magmorax you're fucked

[royal lantern]

why

rashok prison still

[balmy condor]

cause you won't get a third beacon cast

you held too long

[royal lantern]

i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use i love double on use

[clever sapphire]

all you have to remember with double on use is that beacon is broken and does big dmg

now you will be motivated to use it

[balmy condor]

only if you give offerings to crit god

may your bacon crit

and your bombs dispense

in this we pray

amen

[winter gale]

With Macro for bomb I feel like I have one on use with constant 10sec delay 😄

[clever sapphire]

had a sub rogue on hc sark, his first 2 beacons crit

[balmy condor]

doesn't work on trinkets

only outlaw has that luxury

[clever sapphire]

wait what

[hallow sonnet]

Sub as well

[earnest remnant]

oi dont forget about PE

[hallow sonnet]

With PE

[balmy condor]

they forgot about PE

[sweet dawn]

Cryin' rn cus I have slimy expuls boots but this is the week I make my armour patch, it's alright I can get my toxic thorn boots in another 2 weeks

[balmy condor]

I would like to play a game with you guys

the game is called

cooldown or bacon

it's very simple

[winter gale]

I think 80% is in the same situation

[balmy condor]

all you have to do

is guess if it's a cooldown

or bacon

[violet jackal]

bacon

[balmy condor]

what color is bacon

[hallow sonnet]

Lime green

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-gif-19360570

[loud light]

trick question, bacon is a cooldown

[balmy condor]

cooldown?

or bacon

[clever sapphire]

stop making me hungry with bacon

[balmy condor]

it was a trick question

that's an arcane mage

[normal mist]

LOL

[balmy condor]

but you couldn't tell

[hallow sonnet]

Timers were way off

[balmy condor]

and that's half the fun of the game

[clever sapphire]

i should have looked at dmg, only arcane can do that

[loud light]

it said 600k next to it

sure isn't a rogue!

[clever sapphire]

yap exactly, my brain was stuck in bacon prison

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-the-simpsons-drooling-bacon-craving-gif-17788388

[royal lantern]

where would you fit beacon in on the opener? after 2nd garrote?

you now made me think

[balmy condor]

you're not gonna like this

[royal lantern]

i do t lime thibking

dont tell mr

dont

DONT

as first thing on pull

[royal lantern]

oh wow, thats just puzzlebox opener then

[balmy condor]

WE BACK BOYS

PUZZLE BOX MY BELOVED

[royal lantern]

i thought some cursed "start fight with beacon" strat incomming

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/mats-valk-rubiks-cube-gif-3540047

[clever sapphire]

phew good thing i dont have bacon or bomb

and its not as easy to farm as puzzle

[hallow sonnet]

Exsang/Deathmark sure makes that rupture setup look odd

[balmy condor]

exsang makes everything look odd

that's just how exsang works

[muted ridge]

Whats sims gonna look like after fix? From 133k to?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

to 133k

[royal lantern]

exsang moment

[muted ridge]

Oversimmed by 18%, so whats sub for that trinket to even it out?

[balmy condor]

beacon

you just play beacon

and it's like

-0.1%

very huge

for most people it's gonna be an upgrade actually

because who the fuck is pulling 447 fragments out of vault

[hallow sonnet]

Whispyr, no gain in like opening with beacon and vanishing as first ability at 0:00 since you don't play vanish until 2nd deathmark?

[royal lantern]

me

[ornate zodiac]

I feel personally attacked.

[subtle tundra]

i did

[balmy condor]

nop

[subtle tundra]

last week

took socket

;3

[royal lantern]

pls stop

dont give him ideas

[balmy condor]

any gain vanishing early is either marginal or completely non-existant

the best you're getting is 1 ambush instead of a mutilate

no matter how you spin it

and that's just not an improvement

[hallow sonnet]

since it'd give you 2s more duration on your garrote and rupture going into cds

[balmy condor]

it wouldn't though

you make rupture and garrote already maxed

[hallow sonnet]

I mean, you open with beacon at -2 sec

Then vanish garrote at 0:00

and it's the same opener, except beacon is cast already

[balmy condor]

why would you vanish garrote at 0

just because?

[hallow sonnet]

Since beacon knocks you out of stealth

[balmy condor]

well yeah sure

but what are you getting out of it

[hallow sonnet]

2 gcd's freed up

[balmy condor]

it's hasted

so my cast for example

was 1.28 seconds

[clever sapphire]

wait so we can ask for PI to cast it faster?

[hallow sonnet]

well 1,5 then

1,28

[balmy condor]

okay

so then I get my deathmark out

1 second earlier

and I starve on energy

1 second earlier

[hallow sonnet]

Exsang would also be cast with the same amount of time of extra bleeds

[balmy condor]

yeah

so nothing changes

except it's 1 second earlier

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[hallow sonnet]

Turning it around. Say you didn't use beacon for 1,28s. Would you think it would be beneficial to pool for 1,28s in the opener before exsang/deathmark?

[balmy condor]

I would say it doesn't matter

I'm not capped on energy because I channeled beacon

I lost no resources

[hallow sonnet]

I agree, as with most optimizations +/- 10%, it has a negligible affect on whether or not the boss dies

But in this case, it gives you more freedom since you don't need to channel anything

[balmy condor]

I don't think you quite understand

this isn't an optimization

you are not gaining anything

[hallow sonnet]

The only situation that is true though, is if you spent the time casting being unable to connect to boss, no?

[balmy condor]

I don't understand what the difference is though

where are you getting more damage

[hallow sonnet]

I mean, you're way more intimate with assa than I am. So maybe it's something that I'm missing.
But I can't see a situation where beacon being an instant cast is worse or equal than beacon having a 2s hasted cast time

[balmy condor]

but it is

that's the thing

you're not losing anything standing there channeling it

there is nothing to gain

because there's nothing to lose

can't even make the argument that you lose auto attacks channeling, because you still get those off as well

[subtle tundra]

well there's the offchance that casting it earlier gets you 1 more use

[balmy condor]

that I can concede, sure

in the exact situation

where moving your cooldowns up 1 second

gets you 1 extra second of cooldown

you get a gain equal to that 1 second

[subtle tundra]

thanks

can we make out

oops

[hallow sonnet]

This would become

[subtle tundra]

i got mythic tier legs in my vault.....................

[balmy condor]

I understand what you're saying

[subtle tundra]

cant get them cause i dont have gold for the enchant

[balmy condor]

I'm telling you it's irrelevant

[clever sapphire]

this is getting to a minmaxing territory that im never gonna touch, but its interesting to listen

[balmy condor]

if you can prove to me that the 1.2 seconds in that opener causes me to lose out on something, I would concede

[hallow sonnet]

Don't you feel it would be more comfortable for the player though, to remove the channel?

[balmy condor]

but the issue is that you can't prove that

because I'm not capping on energy

and I'm starving later

[slow tulip]

sometimes the minmaxing is so escalated you wont see a value ever tho xD

[balmy condor]

there is a finite amount of resources in this equation

you're simply moving the pooling around

[balmy condor]

I don't actually, no

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah but this is not about increasing damage, but easing up the opener

[balmy condor]

most people are used to it from the opener with puzzle box already

it's a similar cast sequence

and that one DID matter

[slow tulip]

im was really used to box opener ye

[balmy condor]

because the mastery buff timing improved dps

additionally, there's kill times where you'd want to vanish earlier

say in a heroic kill

if you're not getting another deathmark

you can vanish earlier

[limber lion]

Used to it? Mate I'm still using Puzzle Box and Grieftorch

[balmy condor]

getting more imp gar uptime

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

pushing it as your first gcd

would be a net loss in that situation

[clever sapphire]

i put those 2 in my bank, because im scared they would sim higher than my shit trinkets and i dont want that

[hallow sonnet]

Sure, but going sub 3 min kill times kinda changes a lot of things to be more frontloaded

I mean you could go extreme and say that if it's sub 1sec kill time, then using it at 0 is an infinite damage gain :P

[limber lion]

Ngl I like Grieftorch. It's not dependent on anything, you just slam it whenever it's available and get some free resets every pull

[balmy condor]

yeah but I'm being realistic here

[hallow sonnet]

Open world!

[balmy condor]

our heroic kazzara kill today was under 2 minutes

[hallow sonnet]

Mm, saw some sub 30sec kills on assault too

[balmy condor]

yeah

[slow tulip]

holy shit

[balmy condor]

but for people trying to parse on heroic

[slow tulip]

last time we did it was 40 xD

[balmy condor]

I don't think that vanishing that early would benefit at all

[balmy condor]

this was our heroic

[hallow sonnet]

No, it's on the assumption that you want to hold vanish for 2nd deathmark

[balmy condor]

well sure

but you're suggesting that the opener would be easier on people

but I'm saying your opener would mean people would have to learn two separate openers based on kill time

that doesn't seem easier to me

[clever sapphire]

I probably wouldnt mind it either if it wasnt 411, it just drags my itemlvl down so much i dont want that

[hallow sonnet]

Isn't this already the case with different talents?

[balmy condor]

different talents require different openers yeah

such is life

[hallow sonnet]

I mean that you'd play different talents for sub 2 min kills

[balmy condor]

not really, no

exsang sepsis is as good as it gets honestly

[limber lion]

The way things are, I don't think there's any gains from changing talents from 1-10 mins

[balmy condor]

you can make the argument for kingsbane sepsis exsang on assault

[limber lion]

If Kingsbane was a bit better then it could introduce more diversity

Yep

[balmy condor]

and I played that on one of our kills

but it's a difficult sell

[hallow sonnet]

Probably increases lightweight shiv value as well

[balmy condor]

yeah that doesn't change the opener

and we already play that

[hallow sonnet]

oh, I just went from the builds in spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

yeah, if you play exsang the most common variant drops it

if you don't, you take it

[hallow sonnet]

ah, alright

[balmy condor]

but taking it with exsang is also an option

they're very close

[hallow sonnet]

I learn so much

[balmy condor]

I have a sim laying around

hold on

need to find it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/56DNvy4SW2QCaMPMfYqs5k

I limited the fight time to magmorax enrage

since that was our prog boss

the combinations under

are pretty wild

I ended up playing this

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah. We invertedly introduce a lot of bias in the apls due to our standard fight styles

[subtle tundra]

In this case you'd want to hold dm and everything for 35%

Right

Which the sim doesn't do

[balmy condor]

for 5 min with potion

[subtle tundra]

Even better

Yea