assassination

[gusty mirage]

who cares

[balmy condor]

@main vessel demon bite during blade dance window check

[gusty mirage]

its a vidya game

[storm belfry]

11

[bronze pike]

if anything you have boots for veng

its still very viable

people just complaining cause they "wasted a spark"

[gusty mirage]

had a friend who's playing DH freak out about the toxic thorn eating procs

and I was like bro

[bronze pike]

cause "muh stats"

[gusty mirage]

just make whatever you want

who fucking cares

[storm belfry]

I really don’t like or care for the embellishment system

[balmy condor]

bro stop stalking

what the hell

[storm belfry]

No I am just a good guesser

It’s how I pulled my girl

[balmy condor]

guy knows my stats better than I do

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1045092941129072680.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

11% haste is bis

got it

[storm belfry]

That’s crazy. What do I win

[gusty mirage]

I know your pp better than you do too

whatchu gonna do about it?

[cunning nest]

I'm at 7%

[bronze pike]

OH SHIT

[balmy condor]

a trip to a psych ward

[royal lantern]

why 38% crit??

thats blasphemy

[bronze pike]

ur gonna take that whispur

[spice spire]

Greetings and salutations mister whispyr it seems that you’re 4% over the crit threshold, please fix this immediately, ty.

[gusty mirage]

he's been ignoring my sexual harassment lately

[storm belfry]

What makes that even better is that it’s 11.11%

[gusty mirage]

so probably

[royal lantern]

great minds think alike

[frigid kestrel]

Not enough Crit corruption gear

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1080971095173251144.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

sadge

[spice spire]

Great is a stretch here

[gusty mirage]

its okay

[royal lantern]

mind aswell

[gusty mirage]

I swap DH and go game with the DH boys

[balmy condor]

if I don't make eye contact he'll leave me alone

[main vessel]

playing demon bite is cringe

[gusty mirage]

rembourrage and topple are my habibis

[bronze pike]

based and real

send me some

smexy talk on the way to dh land

;)

[spice spire]

I’m gonna go terrorize topple in vengeance chat

🙂

[gusty mirage]

you already terrorize me in this chat

[bronze pike]

real, like a dinosaur

[balmy condor]

so is playing rogue but you don't see me complaining

[gusty mirage]

you keep this up, I'm reporting you to homeland security

[spice spire]

Jealousy is a disease get well soon xoxo

[main vessel]

I do see you complaining

like all the time

[gusty mirage]

I only get jealous when it comes from people I care about

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[bronze pike]

quake has entered the game

[balmy condor]

okay well close your eyes

[gusty mirage]

imagine a boomkin inviting me to his wedding, but my rogue brother in arms won't

[spice spire]

I can’t be hurt if I’m dead inside

[gusty mirage]

smh

[bronze pike]

a boomkin wedding

[gusty mirage]

don't you have a cord you can unplug for that too?

[bronze pike]

udner the moonlight

great rp prompt

[gusty mirage]

it's at 5pm at a bowling alley

[main vessel]

what if playing Assassination Rogue gave you sepsis IRL

[gusty mirage]

people are weird

[bronze pike]

romantic

[spice spire]

Nah the 2020s have done that already

[bronze pike]

cause now you cna dominate your husband/wife on the pin field

[spice spire]

I’d be seeing you

[storm belfry]

Man

[gusty mirage]

lil bro thinks imma bowl in my hugo boss suit

[bronze pike]

noballs

[gusty mirage]

correct

[main vessel]

still waiting for whispyr's sepsis PR

[gusty mirage]

that was a very expensive suit

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1094368665387929711.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

simply get more money oxi

5head

[balmy condor]

IM STUPID AND DONT HAVE TIME IM SORRY

[gusty mirage]

if I could do that I wouldn't be in this discord

[balmy condor]

ITS A DANGEROUS COMBO

[spice spire]

Damn

[bronze pike]

damn

[spice spire]

Tell me how you really feel

[bronze pike]

tell us how u freally feel

FUCK

[spice spire]

Bro ain’t no way

[bronze pike]

STOP COPYING ME

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

you think I want to be harassed by Makeit "Not inviting you to my wedding lul" Quake daily?

[spice spire]

I don’t think I’m the harasser here

[gusty mirage]

listen bro I know you want me living in your head rent free

but evict me already king

[spice spire]

???????

[gusty mirage]

you have a wedding to pay for

chop chop

[balmy condor]

like his wedding

[spice spire]

I’ve been reminded I said the wedding things like 8 times today? I don’t think you’re the one living in my head rent free lil bro

[gusty mirage]

I would've had to have been invited to actually be evicted from there

[spice spire]

9

[gusty mirage]

8

[main vessel]

I didn't get invited to Quake's wedding either

and he owes me for tanking 3 keys for him the other day

smh

[balmy condor]

literally no one did don't worry

[spice spire]

2*

[balmy condor]

lil bro actually just said fuck my friends

[bronze pike]

dont invite me to places

[spice spire]

There’s gotta be a wedding first guys

Fuck

[bronze pike]

i dont like to be known

[main vessel]

I got married before I knew anybody

[ember mural]

Same

[gusty mirage]

its okay

[balmy condor]

(I wouldn't have gone anyway but it would've been nice ya know)

[gusty mirage]

if I get married only @ember mural is invited anyway

[bronze pike]

okay

[main vessel]

I had a zoom option for remote people

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-gif-26527456

[main vessel]

that was nice

[spice spire]

I mean I’ll have that

[gusty mirage]

brown weddings are loud

[spice spire]

Regardless

[gusty mirage]

I'm saving you hearing loss

[main vessel]

better than red weddings

amirite

[gusty mirage]

idk

[bronze pike]

my friend, i am brown from the south

[balmy condor]

its okay, you can come to gaby and mine

[gusty mirage]

getting shanked at my wedding sounds fine

[bronze pike]

well half anyways

[spice spire]

What

Is

[gusty mirage]

I already have your wedding present in mind

dw

[spice spire]

Happening

[bronze pike]

my dad is Irish

my mom is peru

[balmy condor]

terrifying

[gusty mirage]

nah, nothing to be terrified about

perfectly innocent gift

[bronze pike]

lived with my peru familiy in the states, so im used to big noises

and the occasional beer induced family tussle

[ember mural]

80 gallon drum filled with hichew

[gusty mirage]

part of it is mailing jez baby ducks

just know that

[bronze pike]

that evolves into more crying and drinking

[gusty mirage]

she may never speak to me again

but it'll be worth it

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/family-toretto-dominic-gif-23895685

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

listen man

she's a very important friend to whispyr

I'm the side quest npc

[ember mural]

Same

[gusty mirage]

I'll take the L for the homie to laugh

[balmy condor]

I'm in

[gaunt moat]

@gusty mirage guild not giving you gear?

[ember mural]

I'm not even the side quest npc

I'm the dude off to the side you can't interact with

[gusty mirage]

I'm 438 w/ a cowl + eranog ring + annulet

I think I'm fine on gear lol

[gaunt moat]

That's season 1 gear, gotta move on old man

[gusty mirage]

the robot won't let me

😦

[gaunt moat]

tbf, i had to do like 15 uldamans to get ring. i wouldn't wish that prison on anyone

[bronze pike]

manefesting

eggnog nerfs

and a full rogue rework

[spice spire]

Ur a real one for that

[bronze pike]

after mage

[gusty mirage]

manifest a real life event that causes me to grow the fuck up and stop playing video games instead pls

[bronze pike]

ngl mage looks fun af now, compared to pre rework. every revamp is hitting good

[bronze pike]

no

[gusty mirage]

[bronze pike]

imagine wanting to willingly do taxes

and adult things

cant be me

[runic hinge]

I want to do less adult things and play more video games

[ember mural]

You can be grown up and still play video games friend

[bronze pike]

no but literally fuck property taxes

[gusty mirage]

I have zero concept of self control

[bronze pike]

i literally want to rip the hair off my head whenever i have to deal with it

[gusty mirage]

I wanted to buy some hi-chew

and almost bought a 5lb box again

lol

[misty holly]

Is that a type of tobacco?

[ember mural]

I mean you do have self control

[main vessel]

I have Whispyr's wedding present ready

[gusty mirage]

no

[main vessel]

and by ready I mean I have to go to another discord to activate it

[gusty mirage]

my self control is shaming myself into not buying things I want

because I can't have a small portion

last time I bought a big box of hichew

I ate it all in a month

one day I ate so many hichew I threw up

[main vessel]

define big box

[ember mural]

You had enough self control to fast during daylight hours for a month

[gusty mirage]

5lber

[main vessel]

yeah that's a problem fam

[ember mural]

Just work on it. Everyone fucks up but you keep trying

[hallow drift]

Hello Guys

[gusty mirage]

yep that's why I don't buy it anymore

[ember mural]

I'm down 6 pounds on my diet but I still have days where I over indulge

[gusty mirage]

check DMs

[main vessel]

did you bring enough to share with the class Oxi

[gusty mirage]

no

but you can have some

[main vessel]

[hallow drift]

how you guys manage with your energy ?

[gusty mirage]

hi friend

[hallow drift]

Hey

[gusty mirage]

tea when low on energy, and if no tea you kinda just vibe and wait for your energy regen

[balmy condor]

[storm belfry]

They really nerfed firelands trinkets when they weren’t really any good?

[balmy condor]

they were okay

and that was enough

[main vessel]

They were good for certain specs

[storm belfry]

Like havoc?

[main vessel]

They beat M+ trinkets and raid trinkets at a lower ilvl

[storm belfry]

[main vessel]

Vengeance is one

[storm belfry]

I know boomie wanted one

Just thought there wasn’t enough to warrant a nerf. Kinda weirdge

[main vessel]

I don’t TC for Havoc, I don’t know what they would have wanted

[storm belfry]

Just buff the new trinkets

[main vessel]

The Hungerer was a 5k DPS trinket for vengeance at 437

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

can you TC some ways for me to slide into your DMs?

I mean wait what

[main vessel]

I have message requests turned on but they’re open for you, papi

[bronze pike]

uniroincally

ret hoof is stronger than every new m+ trinket

[storm belfry]

[bronze pike]

mm papi

[hallow drift]

ok thanks, im 420 ilvl but my parse is very low, already look at the guide etc but i dont know how to improve my dps

[gusty mirage]

big thing to consider is that the trinkets from normal and heroic can be upgraded to good ilvls for the higher end guilds so they go through and re-clear those

so you're going up against people who are like 433+ ilvl

[hallow drift]

can you look at your DM ?

[elfin ether]

how much haste do i need for assa ?

[balmy condor]

pick a number between 0 and a million

[elfin ether]

hmm 69

[balmy condor]

perfect

you need 69 haste

[oak sky]

💀 you going to deeny's wedding?

[runic hinge]

11.11%

[dark token]

I should play sin on normal/hc reclears to fuck with 420 sin player parses

[runic hinge]

There’s no set amount you need

[hot flume]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lapis osprey]

I need help.

I need 90+ parses in last two bosses so I can boost

But I can't seem to figure it out

[dark token]

I mean they are pad bosses

[silk bane]

idk for sin but last two are mostly pad specially echo

[gaunt moat]

we did it. passed 120k!
Uldaman ring + Zaqali assault pushed me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDr9PFA2S2MdA913vVScxF

[dark token]

Here's my heroic parses

Legit those 3 fights are pad af

Sark less so

But yeah

If you are with people doing dmg you can't parse

Legit worse than mythic parses

[silk bane]

^^ our demo/enhance delete sarc ads so ...

[gaunt moat]

@dark token i had tops 10s on a lot of fights on heroic today. but raid private logged 🥲

(as sin)

[dark token]

Also my raid does the zaqali stat where you single target and kill him before he jumps

So basically impossible to parse

[silk bane]

yeah like idk hard to parse echo without hard pad

[dark token]

I haven't done any HC boosts and that's where you can actually pad echo/assault

And sark to a lesser extent

Even on normal boost echo parsing is basically force ur raid to afk

Pretty annoying

[silk bane]

i just pride myself that my damager to bosses is actually somewhat ethical lul

[hot chasm]

all these sub parses in assa channel

[silk bane]

i used to be an assa main dude

but then they did the 10.0.5 stuff

[dark token]

If assa wasn't tragic I would play it

But I like receiving loot and not being benched

[silk bane]

in loving memory of Kingsbane

[hot chasm]

Yeah, I'm struggling atm

[storm belfry]

Think everyone does this

No one can parse lmao

[teal iris]

the mastery trinket with socket was better than any mythic raid trinket for priest

[cinder grotto]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful meteor]

Echo and Sark are just pumping as much ST as possible while hoping you get a fast kill

Or for nelth to play an infite P3 and going crimson but tanks wont live to long on HC

[balmy condor]

now sim it on latest without the bugged fragment

-1500 from slimy

frag still bugged for who knows how much

[fleet pagoda]

[woeful meteor]

Can we somehow sandbag sims very hard when it gets fixed?

[balmy condor]

exsang basically collapses without fragment

I have a 441 beacon/bomb

and exsang is within margin

it's weird shit

[woeful meteor]

[balmy condor]

if fragment bug is meaningful enough, it'll kill exsang with it

and that'll uh

hurt

[fleet pagoda]

meanwhile forgestorm got buffed

[woeful meteor]

We are 6 30man sark kills no beacon now 🙂

I dont want to use shit last tier trinkets anymore

Also did spiteful strom break again in sims, deals like no dmg for me ingame while simming very high

[strange python]

It hurt that much?!

[balmy condor]

it's 300 haste

[strange python]

Fucc

And gm buff and forgestorm buff

Don't make me play outlaw

[ebon cloud]

when is gm buff?

[balmy condor]

next patch

[ebon cloud]

damn bruh we gonna be in pirate prison soon tm

btw whisp

this is cause of ur amazing sim work

[true garden]

4p feels weird in m+

[balmy condor]

good shit

[ebon cloud]

big ups homie x

[fleet pagoda]

[woeful meteor]

The first 7

[true garden]

I parsed 4% in ilvl tonight

[woeful meteor]

those are some ceverion sofo type ranks

[fleet pagoda]

weaved in a few sub parses too

[balmy condor]

early kills are good

can snag a couple

[ebon cloud]

most assa 100s there

also r sub 100s

[teal iris]

0:31

[ebon cloud]

but got the assa one first

[teal iris]

[ebon cloud]

31 ye

[true garden]

not having on use trinket hurts alot ngl

[ebon cloud]

u like that

LOL

shit was so much fun

[true garden]

plus im legit first timing assa in raid

[fleet pagoda]

so what's been the play with 4-set in m+, are people actually burning deathmark to boost on trash pulls?

[balmy condor]

[ebon cloud]

oh damn bro

must of been beaten in the 24 hours

[teal iris]

would've thought blizz would add an immunity while zaqali heals but I'm glad they didn't

[ebon cloud]

i lied to you all

[balmy condor]

nah usually doesn't matter

[teal iris]

whats your gear like

[ebon cloud]

pre shit tbh

[fleet pagoda]

ty ty

[lapis osprey]

appreciate the insight

Slimy boots still bis right?

despite the oopsie on the sim

[earnest remnant]

like early hc / mythic parses if you got lucky with trinkets

is a breeze

[lapis osprey]

nah

[ebon cloud]

if assa was to recieve a rework

cant wait to see all the die hard assa fans rise to the top

[balmy condor]

unsure, probably not

[lapis osprey]

[woeful meteor]

Gear carries early parses

[teal iris]

[earnest remnant]

or in this case a trinket that crits for 2mil

[balmy condor]

week 1 mythic parses on assassination when only 3 have killed

[fleet pagoda]

do my eyes deceive me or did you put up almost 20k more on first two bosses each with sub?

[earnest remnant]

that was me during CN

one out of 8 people that had killed denny

when i did it

[ebon cloud]

Sub is so so so much better than assa @fleet pagoda

Assa relies on that execute deathmark with absolutely no mechanics

[teal iris]

those kill times are mint for sub too

[royal lantern]

shut your mouth

[teal iris]

infinite energy with teas on 2 min kills

[ebon cloud]

Sub just cranks with low kill times

[royal lantern]

[ebon cloud]

@teal iris ye frfr

[fleet pagoda]

i know you speak the truth

[ebon cloud]

dw kings

Assa fotm soon tm

COPIUM

[teal iris]

big changes coming next week surely

[ebon cloud]

outlaw rework to gunslinger

Assa rework

Sub deleting rotten talent

Prayge

[teal iris]

nah they're gonna rework outlaw to be rogue's support spec like augmentation evoker

[ebon cloud]

PepeLa

[fleet pagoda]

a supportive outlaw...

[royal lantern]

that would instantly kill the entire spec Playerbase

so its the correct choice

[ebon cloud]

a dodge tank

would be fucking cool

[rugged island]

so with new tier are we suppose to build into CE, even in ST

[teal iris]

roll the dice instead buffs your party instead of yourself

[rugged island]

CT*

[dark token]

looked at 10.1.5 notes where is roguer changers?

[ebon cloud]

absolutely no changes announced

[teal iris]

they're still cooking

[ebon cloud]

we r HOPIUM

[dark token]

gonna cook into 10.3

[ebon cloud]

11.3

[fleet pagoda]

of WoW 2

[languid pier]

Which enchant u guys recommend for cloak?

[balmy condor]

avoidance

[languid pier]

ty

the one's in the simulations doesn't have enchants so i was confused

[balmy condor]

that's cause they don't do damage

and they're mostly choice

[marble hemlock]

speed is dps increase

dont @ me

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[marble hemlock]

same

tbf

[languid pier]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-make-out-adventure-time-couple-friends-gif-5571499

@marble hemlock @balmy condor

[marble hemlock]

(whispyr is right though, for 99,9% of people, avoidance is the play)

speed just allows you to get from point A to point B faster, which in some encounters can be a dps increase if it means you get back to the boss faster, or to an add, in situations where you cannot use shadowstep to do so

[dark token]

meh i get 1shot in high m+ without avoidance

[languid pier]

Yeah but idk if they added something new in the patch for cloak

[dark token]

already lower stam than anyone in guild

im out here 500k hp my guildies 600k

[marble hemlock]

but that kind of minmaxing typcially doesnt matter unless youre in like a top10 raiding guild

[dark token]

rogue needs a base hp buff

fr

[gusty mirage]

Ring problems

Unlucky for us

[dark token]

and no stam cape

[marble hemlock]

they did and didnt. all the tertiary stats come with some bonus effect, i.e. graceful avoidance gives avoidance and reduced falling damage

homebound speed gives hearthstone cdr and speed, and the leech one heals you out of combat on top of giving leech

[rugged island]

so faq takes as if its viable but also not viable to play KB, is the legend actually making a return or is this troll

[loud galleon]

Kingsbane is garbo

[languid pier]

well thanks

[rugged island]

ok sadly i figured it was not coming back

[loud galleon]

RIP KB

[balmy condor]

Where does it say it’s viable

[tawny barn]

is onyx annulet still bis for assa with sepsis coz im simming quite bit higher with another ring?

[woeful meteor]

Onyx isnt bis

[tawny barn]

since when

haha

i swear it was up on the guide saying aonyx will be bis until it gets nerfed

i guess i better start simming the rings, i was ignoring them coz of that kappa

[exotic hearth]

What build are we running for assault? Would our M+ build be worth it on that fight?

[wide ridge]

we are progging H sarkareth, did yall go crimson tempest on this fight?

[hot chasm]

every top 100 parse on mythic rashok that I had up uses onyx, so I guess its kinda bis

I imagine other rings might beat it if everything else matches correctly

[woeful meteor]

Its isnt BIS tho nelth ring is Bis and probably multiple 447 rings beat onyx but there arent many people that have either of those or even both

[next dune]

Nah, standard single target build

[tough olive]

Is it worth to hold sepsis for poisoned edges buff (4 piece) ?

[sweet dawn]

Slam that shit on CD

[balmy condor]

We also have only had 3 weeks of vault and most people aren’t done with prog

So it’s a bit silly to be talking about bis

[hot chasm]

Yea I figured

[dark token]

Brother I already got a socket from vault

Vault ain't shit

[balmy condor]

Thank you for your input

[dark token]

People are already close to max gear due to upgrading system

[exotic hearth]

Doesnt mean people have gotten the drops themselves....

[dark token]

Not many m sarkareth items but apart from that... Vault doesn't really offer much

[grim tangle]

if you're not bis already you're trolling

[balmy condor]

Yah honestly I just saw this one guy say he took a socket from vault

That clearly means the only thing it drops is sockets

And no upgrades could ever feasibly occur for any player

Just can’t be done sorry

[dark token]

The only thing that beats a socket from vault on my character is a mythic bomb dispenser or mythic beacon

And I'm not as geared as some other people

[hot chasm]

[balmy condor]

Grats on double mythic sark dagger

[dark token]

Sark dagger is tied with socket

0.4% DPS over 447 crafted for me, socket is same

[balmy condor]

Okay

But they’re all upgrades

So what’s the complaint

[dark token]

I'm just trying to say we are gearing way faster than in previous seasons I guess, so I don't think it's silly to talk about bis this early

[balmy condor]

Okay

You’re wrong

But that’s okay

[vapid sierra]

why is the sample ability log

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9oJKq8xmg7xJWbCxkgX3zK

so different than the opener we do

[loud galleon]

Is sepsis bugged? Or does it not give me the three combo points

When I garrote my next target.

[normal mist]

Got a pink parse today, I'm happy (normal mode tho) 99 gang

[balmy condor]

You’re not using the apl

[vapid sierra]

i need to manually import it?

[balmy condor]

It’s not supposed to give 3cp

[balmy condor]

Yes

[loud galleon]

So no benefit from Shrouded Suffocation

[balmy condor]

Shrouded is a passive

You’re just not getting the cp from stealth

Cause you’re not in stealth

[loud galleon]

So Stealth improved, just no stealth cp.

[balmy condor]

You get imp garrote

That’s the stealth improved

[strange python]

I do think this patch has reduced the value of most everything that isn't a trinket and it's a little bit disappointing.

[balmy condor]

The damage increase from shrouded suffocation is completely passive on all garrotes

[loud galleon]

OH

oml

im a dumbass.

[strange python]

Easier gearing is good. But the pain points are still pain points.

Being stuck hunting singular items out of vault (unique trinkets/weapons) still sucks, and everything else is less good relatively

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk, I guess I just don’t care enough for hunting 1 specific item cause it’s not going to chang my dps

[strange python]

Imo crafting should go to 447 for embels, 444 for nonembels, and unique items should be more easily targetable

[balmy condor]

If I get it, cool

But I’m not going out of my way

For some 0.2% nonsense

[strange python]

Idk if bomb dispenser is just .2% tbf but I hear you

[gray crest]

is mythic rashok just incredibly fucking laggy for anyone else?

[balmy condor]

A bit on pull and towards the end with a billion lava waves

But I’m starting to lag in general

Older cpu

[drifting cloud]

isnt your pc like 2 years old

or was it only gpu you swapped

[balmy condor]

Only gpu

[tulip dawn]

Is there a WA to track if your current garrote is improved?

[balmy condor]

Luxthos’s pack has one

[tulip dawn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rapid forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hollow vault]

big luxthos vouch

[balmy condor]

Slimy Vs Toxic Boots update
Edit <t:1685500098:R>
Just craft toxic boots if you have no boots yet.

So what do I craft
Craft Toxic Thorn

[small rover]

where did the pinned message for sepsis opener go?

[oak sky]

Should be in faq now

[balmy condor]

Yap

All in faq

Wowheads still missing the images but the actual listed opener should be correct

[hexed basin]

whts optimal talent setup for Rashok aagin?

[weak horizon]

is the cape oversimming or something? i had the buff for 3% of a pull

seems awful

for no stamina

[spice surge]

Its rng, average uptime should be around 6%

[balmy condor]

No exsang no imp poison triple zoldyck

[hexed basin]

triple zol better than venom rush then?

[balmy condor]

Well it’s no exsang, you’re already taking venom rush

Just take this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1fM3AhdncLPHGvjg/#fight=2&type=summary&source=3

Nightstalker was for fun

Doesn’t actually make a difference

Would drop the nightstalker for master poisoner

And call it a day

[hexed basin]

ty!

[sick aspen]

why's that the build for rashok?

[balmy condor]

Because rashok is a very specific kill time due to the enrage dps check, and exsang is dogshit on that timer

Also execute is good cause the last phase is super rough and if a couple people die you get both the 4min and the 6min Deathmark in execute

It’s gud

Still have rank 1 no pi

[weak horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gilded gorge]

Is there a reason to grab Life-Bound Bindings with a Toxified Armor Patch vs like a Life-Bound Belt with patch?

[hollow vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qNwAyNwQS2eaNXFFoxXybZ
do we ditch annulet omfg

[misty holly]

Either works, depends on what you have now or what your BIS looks like.

Mythic Sark drops a nice belt, so if you are aiming for that maybe craft patch on the bracers

Otherwise Belt is a good choice

[gilded gorge]

Was asking because i have blood elder binding already and a shit belt

[hollow vault]

would be fine if you're not killing m sark for awhile

can always recraft when we have more sparks than needed down the road

[solar bramble]

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFIkIJIHIRJBAAAAAAQCAJJAAAAAAA0QiDUSCJJJplSikkQiEJOA

anyone with beter gear mind simming that?

wonder how far behind it is from the normal. . . ik it's weaker but curious how much

[balmy condor]

Let’s fine out

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[solar bramble]

that . . . . looks like semi greek to me

[balmy condor]

Uhhhh

The fuck is that import lmao

Maybe I need to convert it

Hold on

[solar bramble]

lol it's really weird. has skills you don't genearllyt ake

i went with 2x shiv charges for comfort. and decided to see how the venom rush would work in gettign 3 envenoms within shiv

for me the sim isn't a large difference at least on dummy. raid probably larger for loosing zoldyck

[balmy condor]

Yeh okay the import was just scuffed

Had to convert

[solar bramble]

😦 was the import the game gave me lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah game imports are uh

Scuffed

For external tools

It’s weird

[solar bramble]

aah

i'm basically trying not to run serrated or sepsis, and with an extra shiv charge to have better control over when i do a shiv burst window for multiple envenoms

[balmy condor]

I think I got it now though

Looking like about 7.5%

[solar bramble]

basically how it played in shadowlands which is a playstyle i'm comfortable with lol

proably to big of a loss then. a few % i could survive with.

bfa

[balmy condor]

The issue with this is that you’re not using the second shiv charge for anything

Double shiv charges are good for things like sepsis, kingsbane

Because you’re able to actually hold for something

[solar bramble]

i use it for fight disengages, scenarios forcing me out of melee. . . or holding it for 5 seconds or so to ensure i get enough envenoms under it

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

Generally that falls under the “nothing” category :P

[solar bramble]

but those don't matter as much as gaining sepsis

[balmy condor]

We don’t play around envenoms during shiv

[solar bramble]

how does shyv get used then? just to amplify weapon poisosn with envenom uptime?

i haven't played this version of assassination at all. so it feels weird not playing around shiv for multiple envenoms

[balmy condor]

Optimal play with that talent setup would basically be double shiv Deathmark and then one charge on cooldown until the next Deathmark where you dump both charges again

[solar bramble]

for the rupture and weapon poisons during deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Yea

[solar bramble]

outside deathmark how is it used.

[balmy condor]

On cooldown

[solar bramble]

do you play around it at all or no?

[balmy condor]

Nope

[solar bramble]

how about envenoms. do those get used for anything outside maintaing their buff? (i'm assuming you want high envenom poison aplication uptime given 4 poisons)

[balmy condor]

It maintains itself given how fast the spec is

[solar bramble]

. . . ok so i've been playing a fair bit of sub . . . . this feels very not fast lol

i seem to be energy pooling quite a bit

though i'm also trying to play around shiv as well so that's probably part of it

[balmy condor]

You have 80%+ uptime doing nothing other than spamming envenom whenever you hit 5/6cp

Pooling is dead as well

Super pointless

[solar bramble]

so outside burst windows it's just maintain dots, throw envenoms out whenever and shiv on cd. . . until a burst window

[strange python]

Why no shoulders whisp? Just cause it's a tier slot?

Or are those fucked too?

[balmy condor]

The tier slot is real good and if we’re gonna swap to something the toxic boots are way better

[balmy condor]

Maintain gar/rup, shiv on cooldown, spam mut->env

[solar bramble]

so basically don't need to do anything outside burst windows. . . guessing it's the same thing for reprimand? just toss it on cd, and try to get max cp envenom/ruptures from it

I was . . . also using the charges to echoing reprimand envenoms within the shyv window. . . but not the play to play around shiv

seems . . . kind of boring outside major windows lol

SBS is similar right when used? toss out whenever? for cp

[dawn kelp]

Yup

[solar bramble]

so don't pool them

[dawn kelp]

No

[solar bramble]

if not playing around shiv/envenoms . . . i'll probably add in sbs and such then just to keep things interesting

it isn't a huge deal to hold SBS is it?

for say movement purposes

[dawn kelp]

Just don’t overcap charges

[solar bramble]

that's easy enough. drop 2 or so early on in rotation. keep 1 for mechanics

what is the apm on sin relative to sub? . . sub is basically capped on gcd's with very high energy for the first several minutes.

[wind condor]

I just read the boots change, I thought I was crazy my gameplay felt so much slower

[solar bramble]

tbf i'm also playing with 0 haste since it's in sub gear. . . . likely part of it

[dawn kelp]

How big of a diff is the booties

[keen spruce]

annulet already getting out simmed by a socketed freehold ring at 441

i'll take the ilvls

[steel ridge]

yeah sin likes some stats

got some normal beacon and neltharion leftovers yesterday

i dont like both of them

[gaunt moat]

what are you simming for now shmeeps?

[balmy condor]

You are crazy, it’s always been working fine in game

This is a sim change

Yet another victim of thinking haste impacts your gameplay

Congratulations, you placebo’d yourself

[keen spruce]

good question s

one sec

are we still usin the custom apl?

[gaunt moat]

yes afaik

[weak horizon]

So what you're saying is the energy gain difference from haste is so small it won't feel any different?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[gaunt moat]

AKTUALLY it's haste loss.

[solar bramble]

how do you manage sepsis to not use ambush > multite when the sepsis buff ends. . . a macro for stealth bar > multilate? . . my normal multilate just gets overritten every time and I end up loosing the 2nd garrote if i don't pool during that mutilate

[balmy condor]

Two different keybinds

[gusty mirage]

how do you have so many of these?

[solar bramble]

my . . . mutilate keybind with no stealth on it at all becomes ambush 😦

[balmy condor]

Okay so turn that into mutilate

[keen spruce]

no job

[balmy condor]

So you don’t get it turned into ambush

And then put ambush on another key

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/irPqmKC7Y83rEUjcc91wVW

[solar bramble]

this is going to be weird lol

at first

[balmy condor]

How are you using blindside

[keen spruce]

really just need a sark cloak, tier gloves, and then mythic ilvl upgrades

[solar bramble]

i have a separate keybind for ambush . . . but it's already there for my stealth bind too. . . which i still use out of habbit

[gaunt moat]

wth, those are rookie numbers

[royal lantern]

10% haste is 1energy per second

[weak horizon]

I do q mutilate and shift q ambush

[keen spruce]

no exang

[royal lantern]

1

thats 1mutilate a minute

[weak horizon]

Wow I didn't realize it was that low

[royal lantern]

if you can feel the difference bettwen using mutilate 20x a min or 21x a min, im impressed

[solar bramble]

WTB lower mutilate energy cost baseline

[balmy condor]

Please god no

Spec is already so fast

[gusty mirage]

its ok I still love you

[royal lantern]

play outlaw

🙂

[gaunt moat]

I can, I'm just built different.

[solar bramble]

lol. . . outlaw is too fast. i usually play sub which is still a lot faster than sin

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

You want to envenom when it has 6 seconds left on it rather than 5?

Let the spec rest

[royal lantern]

assa and sub are almost the same speed

[balmy condor]

They are with exsang

[solar bramble]

my sub i can basically spam skills. . . . my sin i'm out of energy all the damn time. . . . I don't have a ton of symbols giving me energy like i do in sub

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cbg8asragPPogCjHBqpAaq

if I use the heretic build

[balmy condor]

Well

Not rotten

Rotten is fast as fuck

[gaunt moat]

which build

[keen spruce]

exang

[gaunt moat]

with SBS?

[keen spruce]

no stepsis

[gaunt moat]

you weren't until now?

[keen spruce]

i'm not still now

[gusty mirage]

rotten is also gross as fuck

[keen spruce]

fk that button

[gusty mirage]

disgusting talent build

[balmy condor]

Shmeeps a devout exsang hater

Amen

[gusty mirage]

shmeeps

[uncut dragon]

I too hate exang

[gusty mirage]

you can play sepsis without exsang

I know its crazy

but it's possible

[keen spruce]

whispyr had to show me the custom apl and like a 6k dps increase just to switch me off my hobo talents from like week 1 season 1

[gaunt moat]

tbh, maybe i should also stop using it. I suck at estimating times and syncing it.

[balmy condor]

He does

[solar bramble]

sub gets finishers off left right and center. . . . high combo points out of every dance. 30+ energy back per finisher, 40 energy every dance + every symbols both used every 30 secodns or so. . . . . sub has such an energy influx compared to sin

[balmy condor]

[gaunt moat]

but shmeeps had better parses than all of us here

[gusty mirage]

I refuse to believe this man plays anything anymore

shmeeps is a man of feelcraft

and I respect it

[keen spruce]

ignore mechanics, cloak, profit

[gusty mirage]

because he acknowledges the other options may be better

and he doesn't care

[keen spruce]

also i'm runnin out of keybinds

[uncut dragon]

would take double cloak over double shiv

[gusty mirage]

use your toes

[solar bramble]

that's sometimes how i am . . . . if i can play it properly, and am comfy with it.. . . . i'll perform better even if it's a suboptimal setup

but theirs only so much loss i'm willing to take

for that

[keen spruce]

maybe somethin i can wedge into my shorts and do keigels for exang

[gusty mirage]

please never change

holy shit I love you

[keen spruce]

my threshold is somewhere between 2-4% apparently

[gaunt moat]

kinda annoyed my guild private logs now cause they're worried about poachers. i finally started performing decently and can't brag 😠

[solar bramble]

that's around what i'd be willing to accept. .. the one I considered and how i played it earlier was closer to a 7.5% loss which is too much for me to take purely for playstyle

[gusty mirage]

the funny thing is, people can still share screenshots of the logs with poachers

or log themselves

[keen spruce]

play sub for funnel they said

[gusty mirage]

were you pressing eviscerate?

[keen spruce]

idk

[gusty mirage]

because that's less damage than pressing black powder

[keen spruce]

i didn't have rupture on my bars

[gusty mirage]

ok jpc

calm down

[keen spruce]

i have a clip

[solar bramble]

i funnel on that fight too, and use eviscerate just to kill mystics faster. . . . . it kills my parse, but also kills mystics faster

[keen spruce]

i just got 2pc that night and removed all of my symbols macros

character panel open for trinket, spell book for rupture

https://www.twitch.tv/shmeeps_phd/clip/CallousNastyGrasshopperKappaPride-bNApMoXPNgZh6EYz?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[gaunt moat]

@gusty mirage yeah, but if you're sharing yourself you're already on the way out cause you're looking for another guild.
and if you public log yourself, the guild can see it.
personally, I just wanna see the logs on my own WCL page to see how I improved between kills.

[gusty mirage]

can you still see your own logs on your page if you login?

decent compensatory wahoo

ig

[solar bramble]

those symbols sitting on CD is tilting me lol

off cd*

[gaunt moat]

nope, gotta go into guild's page and specific report.

[gusty mirage]

oh god

that's cringe as fuck

[gaunt moat]

i know right

[solar bramble]

you were energy starved for so long before transition with symbols off cd. and an available thistle tea

[keen spruce]

[keen spruce]

brother do you see my screen

also i have no idea how to play sub in raid

I think i started playing it like 2 days before that for keys

[solar bramble]

i've seen messier screens than that lol

aaah. . . . do you dance/gloomblade macro

oooh just m+ . . so probably wont use it in that build

[keen spruce]

I was just shocked that I was still hittin the right targets

[solar bramble]

fair enough

still sad

[keen spruce]

and i'm goin to vegas tomorrow and not gonna raid this week

[solar bramble]

well you'll have some time in m+ to practice . . . . . . and remember that symbols of death exists

[keen spruce]

m+ feelin cozy now

almost 2800

[gaunt moat]

Like at best, i can see this ranking view. but the numbers don't even link to the log they are taken from.

[solar bramble]

m+ on sub or sin?

[keen spruce]

erased all of my ol from week 1

sub

I gave up on sin in keys long ago

fake one trick

[solar bramble]

sub in keys is very comfy

sin needs a little bit of work for it to be comfy. . . . i honestly don't know what they can do to it that won't break it for raid/pvp

what build you running notter? idm sin in raid in the slightest. it was my old favorite. . . but getting used to this version will take some time. . . that or i'll go without sepsis and just be comfy out the gate

[keen spruce]

make IC a passive or something

[solar bramble]

lol. put IC lower in the tree

[keen spruce]

fkin spriests get it on their 3rd row

[solar bramble]

and it's a 30 second cd . . .. not 45

[keen spruce]

which mean every pack in real keys

s

[solar bramble]

and with how their kit works they can keep permanent uptime on dots with just shadow crash

if they don't need to move too much

[keen spruce]

and they jsut do their ST rotation

[solar bramble]

i mean with IC my AoE is good . . . . . without it however . . . . .

also fix fan of knives combo point generation

[keen spruce]

well that

and also building AoE scuffed our st too much

also @gaunt moat apparently i was getting random PIs tonight

idk why

that's probably why my parses are good

I was playin with my old guild cuz i'm gonna be gone this weekend

[solar bramble]

did building AoE do worse for us than for WW rogue? . . . e.g. is our ST with an AoE spec better or worse than WW? they're still fairly competative

[gaunt moat]

ohhh

so that's how it is you cheater

[keen spruce]

I got 2 on zskarn

[solar bramble]

PI 2 minutes . . . .. death mark/vanish 2 minutes

[keen spruce]

we only have 2 priests

and a UH, demo lock, arcane mage, boomkin

I bet it was the trial

that thought I was still in the guild

and had power

oh nvm it was my friend

[solar bramble]

i don't think i'd mind sepsis if they buffed it . . . . . and made it 2 minutes to align with the others

but blizz seems to not want us to do damage in burst windows but instead . . . outside of them

i'll need some practice with it as is though

[keen spruce]

sepsis is cozy

i just miss bone spike on the magmorax trash

I like feelin like my shiv timing matters again

[royal lantern]

it doesnt kekw

[solar bramble]

i tend to historically be bad with any build that has desynched cd windows. . . . like 1.5m and 2m. . . . or 2m and 3m etc. almost doesn't matter if the skills are good or not

[royal lantern]

you just send on cd anyway

[solar bramble]

1m and 2m . . . or 1.5 and 3m i sem to do fine with

[keen spruce]

i have 2 shivs

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce was it private logged?
cauise your last kazaara is from 5 days ago

[solar bramble]

it's more that . . . i forget it exists until i'm about to pop death mark lol

[gaunt moat]

and no PI

[keen spruce]

no heroic

today

[royal lantern]

then you use on cd and keep 1charge for sepsis/dm

thats it lmao

[gusty mirage]

wait

they're private logging heroic?

[gaunt moat]

YES

[gusty mirage]

BRO WHAT

[gaunt moat]

I KNOW

[keen spruce]

but i get shiv on both uses of sepsis and deathmark most of the time. just toss one one when close to capping occasionally

[gaunt moat]

And if you say anything about it they tell you "no one cares about your logs"

[keen spruce]

lose nothing, ez optimization

[gaunt moat]

If they would have made it public i'd have been rank 4 on rashok heroic 🥲

[keen spruce]

what rank is your guild?

[gaunt moat]

RIGHT ABOVE OXXI

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

1284 very average.

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

They had a lot of people poached so they're paranoid

[keen spruce]

this is a hostage situation not guild management

[gaunt moat]

I don't think that's gonna stop or help with it in any way. if people wanna leave they'll leave.

[keen spruce]

yeah people that got "poached" were headed out either way

there's a notter rogue on tarren mill

[gaunt moat]

haha and on heroic magmarox i'd have ben rank 3.
again right above oxxi

[keen spruce]

his guild public log

maybe we just get that notter in here

so we can compare logs with our friends

[gaunt moat]

that's me. they did public last week. and this week not. i dunno man.

[keen spruce]

oh lol

[gaunt moat]

but last week i didn't have even 2 piece. now i had 4 piece so the difference is huge.

actaully i'd have been rank 2 if ignoring PI. i'm sadge.

[keen spruce]

look at our kazzara kills

i beat you cuz of slimey boot procs and annulet procs

[gaunt moat]

This is the rank 1 on heroic magmarox damage breakdown.
look at this burrowed power bullshit.

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-26415146

[gusty mirage]

he's just the better player

ya know?

[gaunt moat]

he did press the trinket button, that's pretty hard i guess

[gusty mirage]

from my heroic rashok yesterday

I'm just the better player

ya know

managed to crit both casts

[gaunt moat]

That's so dumb a trinket is the 2nd highest damage 😂

[keen spruce]

a trinket that's used twice in a fight

[gusty mirage]

does more damage than 90% of our kit

[keen spruce]

can fire ring stop simming best

plz

[royal lantern]

but hey, our main finisher does more damage than subs main finisher, so it evens out

[keen spruce]

this is hot dog water

[gusty mirage]

I have a 441 haste mastery helm

sitting in the wings

that I cannot swap to

because of that fucking ring

[gaunt moat]

i replaced it today, have you tried simming uldaman ring / replacing cowl?

[keen spruce]

i'm not usin cowl

still sims best with shadowflame enchant and bomba

i'm doin another top gear rn tho

[gusty mirage]

I haven't tried simming it with double shadowflame enchant

idk

[keen spruce]

i got a few good rings

[gaunt moat]

that sounds sus

[worn sorrel]

How does assa feel in m+? still bad=

[gusty mirage]

every time I simmed shadowflame enchant

it was dogshit

like -1500 dps from my current set up dogshit

even with a 20 ilvl upgrade to helm

[gusty mirage]

its fine, worse than sub and outlaw by a good amount

[keen spruce]

maybe i just wear ilvl rings and go back to sophic

[worn sorrel]

But the problem is numbers?

[gusty mirage]

yea

[worn sorrel]

Or legit bad design

[gusty mirage]

it's a numbers thing

[keen spruce]

both

[gusty mirage]

design isn't terrible

but it needs help

our only aoe finisher is crimson tempest

[keen spruce]

although it's also a dungeon season thing

[gusty mirage]

which does like zdps

[keen spruce]

lots of totems

assas always bad at totems

[royal lantern]

ye, dungeons dont help aswell

[gusty mirage]

you can bleed them tho

[royal lantern]

yeha but they need to actually die fast oxi

[worn sorrel]

I enjoy having to dot instead of pressing one spell for aoe dot, so that's something I kinda like

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

just beacon them bro idk

[gaunt moat]

Sin is basically:
Carnage up with 5+ targets -
Any 2-3 targets -

[keen spruce]

this fukin guy

why does garrote have a CD

[gusty mirage]

remember when sin was good at 2-3T cleave?

🙂

[keen spruce]

think how much better multi dotting would feel in 2-3t

if garrote didn't have a cd

[drifting cloud]

did you never craft bracers or a belt in s1 oxi?

[worn sorrel]

garrote has cd even in stealth?

[keen spruce]

not in stealth no

[gusty mirage]

tried it with the crafted belt I had ryler

[drifting cloud]

can restore it, throw toxic on it, replace helm + ring?

[keen spruce]

so you can get like 4 out

[gusty mirage]

still nothing

[keen spruce]

in your opener

[worn sorrel]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

I just wait until next reset

craft 447 bracers

[keen spruce]

but managing the dots after that is miserable on more than 2 targets

[gusty mirage]

and then I'm free

[worn sorrel]

and did we have shadowstep in SL?

[gusty mirage]

yes

just one charge though

[jade abyss]

Remember when sin was having echoing blades

[keen spruce]

we've had shadowstep since like

[gusty mirage]

🥲

[keen spruce]

70 years ago

[gusty mirage]

simpler times man

[gaunt moat]

Remember when rupture procced poison bomb?

[worn sorrel]

i have a weird mix of LK SL and DF lol

[gusty mirage]

no snd (notter and tryan would like this)

[jade abyss]

Missing this talent so much

[keen spruce]

who woulda thunk we'd be missing azerite powers

smg

smh

[gusty mirage]

lmao

half our talents are Azerite Powers

[keen spruce]

shit

i didn't put sophic MH

in my 300 combination sim

[gaunt moat]

Imagine if Rupture had a chance to proc poison bomb on any target hit by carange.
completly broken.
but imagine.

[keen spruce]

we always say "it'd be broken"

then they give that to another class

[gusty mirage]

woah

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-lawyers-world-transparency-mundo-gif-12537590

[gusty mirage]

next you'll tell me that it used to do that

before carnage existed

thing is even if rupture had a chance to proc PB still

[gaunt moat]

i did :x

[gusty mirage]

our aoe would still be shit