assassination

[restive falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483145352250130442/1110675743509336155/YUGE.png

my vault was pretty decent

[balmy condor]

450 shoulders

nice

[restive falcon]

gonna wait till timewalking chest and heroic raid to take

beacon is 1400 gain and essence with max which my guild has is 1500

[balmy condor]

at 431?

[restive falcon]

yea

[balmy condor]

wild

you must have some dogass trinket

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eUTpc92xuVaMvsb7MatDdf

yes i do lmao

[green pier]

because i've been baited into trinkets on other characters by sims only to find out they are "simbait" - figured people might just have more hands on advice.

[balmy condor]

💀

[restive falcon]

plus i can ugprade my essence to 441

[storm forum]

Every on use trinket is sim bait cause I don't press my trinkets

[spice spire]

Real

[storm forum]

Dude the number of times I catch my zskarn trinket at 3 stacks is nuts

Like my puzzlebox is about to come up, what have I been doing for the past 3 minutes?

[thorn fjord]

cant for the life of me get a belt or wrists to drop

[balmy condor]

your what

[storm forum]

Good news, you get to craft a patch there next week.

[storm forum]

I haven't got a fragment yet ok

[balmy condor]

fuck fragment

use like

any of the other 7 trinkets

that are better

[storm forum]

I haven't seen a single trinket besides green Drogbar rocks ok

[balmy condor]

[storm forum]

Ikr

I took the zsharn trinket over tier in my vault cause I expected this to happen

[gray horizon]

Any good trinks for us from Firelands?

[vapid sierra]

fucking beacon

lucky

[balmy condor]

not that it looks like atm

[restive falcon]

yea imma wait

[tacit pebble]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gray horizon]

Booo thats no fun

[tawny pike]

i killed the elder with 10 different alts and couldn't get a single piece of loot, are they bugged? Do you have to kill them without a raid?

[balmy condor]

be happy you don't have to farm cata content for bis brother the alternative is worse

[lapis osprey]

@balmy condor what remaining fight duration is acceptable for me to use exsang after deathmark

[gray horizon]

But Firelands was fun :p would give me an excuse to run it

Thanks for all your work lately btw bby. Gonna try out sepsis finally without tier and see how it goes. Cranks a bit of dps for me

[balmy condor]

in single target? dungeons? aoe?

[balmy condor]

np

[lapis osprey]

ST

[balmy condor]

never

[lapis osprey]

even if the fight would end without the bleeds running out

[strange python]

Got a time machine? We gave up nelth trinket to a druid who doesn't even want it.

Cause I planned to stay sub and it's meh for sub. Until rotten ruined it

[lapis osprey]

reminds me I need to restore my tentacle trinket

[balmy condor]

?? you're in single target

exsanguinating your deathmark

is troll

[lapis osprey]

Don't you get more burst in half the time

[balmy condor]

you also lose your doubled bleeds

in half the time

[spice spire]

[runic hinge]

So it’s good if the boss only lives for 7 more seconds

[lapis osprey]

very niche so

[subtle tundra]

So niche it's not existant

[balmy condor]

if you can tell me a situation where you can't exsang->deathmark, but you can deathmark->exsang, and the fight has 7 seconds remaining, let me know

[runic hinge]

Uhhh umm welll uhhh

[gusty mirage]

what if I want to make our other dps feel better

[runic hinge]

I don’t play exsang

[dusky granite]

Thoughts on Ragnaros Trinket from timewalking, upgraded to 437?

[balmy condor]

probably mid

[tawny pike]

how do you even use the Trinket from Kazzara...? I got it from the weekly.

[marble hemlock]

rashok if the boss doesnt live until enrage

[balmy condor]

wrong actually, your exsang will come up first

[marble hemlock]

ye but the boss wont live full DM duration

[woeful socket]

Its a stat proc trinket pretty sure the on use is a meme

[balmy condor]

so just to get this straight

you're arguing that deathmark->exsang would be better than exsang->deathmark in the case where the boss won't live full dm duration

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

yes

cuz the deathmark dmg itself

would be a gain

cuz you get more ticks from it

[balmy condor]

and you think that's better than getting the extra gcd on exsang

or

hear me out

[marble hemlock]

hey

[balmy condor]

exsanguinating

[marble hemlock]

you asked for an example

[balmy condor]

a couple of gcds

before deathmark

[marble hemlock]

im just providing the goods, dont shoot the messenger

[balmy condor]

I asked for an example where you can deathmark->exsang, and are NOT able to exsang->deathmark

your example doesn't meet the second criteria

[runic hinge]

[marble hemlock]

yeah well i stopped reading halfway through

im doing lost ark stuff okay

[gusty mirage]

just buy your booba skins already

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JHt5m/f0d73923a1.jpg

bro

i dont have to

others are doing it for me

[balmy condor]

bobby skins?

[marble hemlock]

im ethical no booba skin gamer

[earnest remnant]

Koreanoona

-.-

Korea Older sister

great name

[gusty mirage]

I’d pay good money for your Bobby skins

[marble hemlock]

slayer is

booba character

[spice spire]

Slayer? I don’t even know ‘er

[marble hemlock]

booba

[hoary kernel]

In the sepsis opener, do you also wait until sepsis is at 8 seconds before shiving in order to get the shiv bonus on the damage at the end of sepsis?

[keen spruce]

on the 2nd one?

ig you could

[storm forum]

it kind of naturally happens that way anyways

in the opener you go sepsis -> vendetta -> shiv

and that shiv happens after 2 seconds after sepsis is cast

[limber lion]

You would play Lightweight Shiv so it kinda doesn't matter

[storm forum]

and outside of the opener, you go sepsis -> garotte -> shiv

[limber lion]

Only kinda matters for single shiv, but only for the first shiv. You just send it on cd regardless

[hoary kernel]

I'm talented for single shiv

[keen spruce]

2 shiv gang

[hoary kernel]

(//////////)

[limber lion]

Also matters whether you play Exsang or not

[hoary kernel]

using Sepsis + Exsang and in the opener visual it says to shive right after Sepsis. That's why it confused me if I should hold shiv 2 seconds after sepsis

unless maybe exsang shortens sepsis?

[runic hinge]

Oh snap the visual opener is up. Maybe I’ll try playing exsang now

Bless

[wide ridge]

wait, what talent do we drop for exsang on sepsis build?

cut to the chase? idk

[grim jay]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[jovial adder]

is rogue getting a rework for 10.1.5?

[oak sky]

supposedly

[lapis osprey]

I lost

[lapis osprey]

Ngl I sepsis > Garrote > Shiv

[royal lantern]

that probably doesnt make any difference anyway

[lapis osprey]

Well it makes it so shiv bonus nature damage clips the last tick of sepsis no?

Sepsis is 10 sec & shiv is 8, there's 1 gcd in between

[sweet dawn]

Yeah but the tick in that GCD is missed right? So you either get the last tick with shiv or you get the one that happens while you garrote

Doesn't really matter afaik

[limber lion]

I don't understand what you're saying here

Get what while you garrote?

[strange python]

What we know is that it would be a class and talent tree tuning. We do not know anything else unless realz said something.

As is typical for rogues, were being left to last in the patch cycle.

[silk bane]

idk man its hard to fix rogue i guess.

with fire and arcane there was a clear direction of what was wrong

and they could fix it

if you dont know what youre evern trying to fix then its really hard to fix it

[sweet dawn]

The idea is if you Sepsis > Shiv > Garrote you miss the last tick of sepsis with the shiv buff. So the proposed solution is Sepsis > Garrote > Shiv so the shiv debuff lasts til the last tick of sepsis. But I'm saying I don't think it matters because you miss covering a tick of sepsis regardless of whether you do it as 2nd or 3rd in the sequence

Unless I'm just being stupid

[royal lantern]

they litearlly Spend time adding a giant mistake as a spec in the game

but cant buff kingsbane dmg

[limber lion]

It does because Sepsis has an explosion thingy at the end

[silk bane]

its not just but kingsbane damage though. theres so much wrong with both sin and sub. like sin needs ret levels of rework (and the left side of sub).

[limber lion]

It's not that you're buffing up the DoT damage, delaying Shiv allows you to have the Shiv buff for the explosion at the end

[silk bane]

but they dont know what tjhey want these specs to do

is my gues

[limber lion]

"... they suffer an additional 25k damage"

That's what you're aiming to buff by delaying Shiv by one gcd.

[sweet dawn]

Yes but is it NATURE damage?

[limber lion]

Lol

It is.

[sweet dawn]

Which would make it buffed by shiv

ah oke

well fair enough then my b

[limber lion]

Yes

That's why it's a thing to consider

[frigid kestrel]

Im dying

[lyric cave]

timewalk trinkets anygood?

[limber lion]

Pretty mid

[frigid kestrel]

the first sentence linked says

[sweet dawn]

Yeah but I take things very literally and read the explosion as just "damage"

and assumed it was just daamge

and not nature

soryr

[storm belfry]

[sweet dawn]

sorry*

[frigid kestrel]

Its all good , thats a fair point

[limber lion]

WoW almost always specifies what type of damage it is.

Nothing's just "damage"

[austere fulcrum]

yo guys, is there anyone who does not use Onyx annulet ? / my 2 stat rings simming higher atm

ı m just surprisd

[somber fractal]

am i crazy or do i remember them calling our rogues as getting a bunch of changes for 10.1.5?

[flint tusk]

It was bait. We got too excited so are back on the naughty step for another 3 months.

Explains why rogue pop is so low.
Giganerfed at the start of expacs then left to rot. Besides a few shining moments by happenstance.

Yes i’m dooming.

[grim jay]

Rogue Pop always is low

And stop dooming, patch is way in the distance

[somber fractal]

i think it's a joke around the blizz office at this point. "hey lets name them along with mages and paladins as getting big balance changes then go radio silent again and push out more warlock stuff"

[grim jay]

Fire mage changes are pretty good so I'm interested in the other stuff they have in store

[pulsar dirge]

But sub has been stable from Shadow lands and onwards . It's just us who are left to rot.

[vale shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[wind condor]

is our second stealth cast after sepsis empowered like the garrote? or do we rip an ambush

[sweet dawn]

Increased damage, no extra combo points

[wind condor]

okay so its good to use both on garrotes then?

[west swallow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vale shore]

we still going sophic devotion on both weapons?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gray hazel]

is the Firelands TW raid worth running for anything?

[balmy condor]

not that we think right now

[wind condor]

do we hold sepsis for every DM window?

[balmy condor]

no

[wind condor]

i luv u whispyr

[balmy condor]

<#

[restive falcon]

seeing no rogues use essence is good sight i think?

even tho its a 2k gain for me rn

[gaunt moat]

Oh you still think we'll get changes?

[balmy condor]

can you reword this question in a way that makes me not get a stroke trying to read it

I am really stupid

[strange python]

I trust when they say we will get tuned that we will, but after the last 6 years I've learned to accept that rogue is the red headed step child and our changes will come last and be disappointing.

If you want quick changes be a paladin or warrior or warlock or druid

[gaunt moat]

At best it'll be minor % changes if anything even.

[storm belfry]

Classic WoW players on suicide watch

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[strange python]

I mean. I expect something a little more than that given the wording. But yeah, it's frustrating that for six years now we've been consistently the last class to be touched

[gaunt moat]

When they made sin changes for 10.0.5 they didn't wait for last second.
Nor have they in any other spec.
Thet don't do surprise last second big changes. They test on PTR.

[restive falcon]

sorry i meant, i have 441 beacon and 441 essence in vault, and my guild has all 5 buffs, i was looking at logs and i saw you dont really run essence as assass except for bomb/frag/beacon, but essence is like a 2k dps gain and beacon isnt as much

[strange python]

Well idk if it'll be last second. But yeah it's always the last class to get attention

[balmy condor]

yeh essence is okay, but only with all the buffs

and it's not the best

[restive falcon]

it just feels bad to take essence

[balmy condor]

good placeholder

[restive falcon]

yea thats what i told them, i;d run bomb + frag/beacon

and essence will be filler over torch

[gaunt moat]

I've already removed any expactations once we didn't show up on ptr patch notes after rogue tuning was announced.

At least the research being done spiced up the rotation, so that'a fun.

But then whispyr researched too much and de-spiced it again with exsang

[wind condor]

week 3 of not seeing a single bomb drop in normal or heroic lol

hopefully we get 3 from mythic tn lol

[strange python]

I'm the resident doomer. I do think big changes can come later in the cycle than week 2. But I do hope we see something in the next few weeks.

It was very jarring to me when realz made fun of doomers two weeks before the patch when we hadn't had tuning or changes in 7 months.

[gaunt moat]

I read it a few days later.
Now you'll have to excuse me, but realz's takes were really bad and out of touch with the community.

A very small community.
Because not many play sin on mythic.
And the tuning and design are a big part of it.

But he's a dev and not a community manager.
so he's not great at interacting with the community.
maybe that's why he left.

[slow needle]

But rogue has shown up in ptr notes. They're reworking grand melee. Thats it.

[gaunt moat]

rogue fixed.

[strange python]

I mean yeah. He shouldn't be held to the standards of someone in comms, but it felt very tonedeaf to not understand why people are upset.

[main monolith]

hi guys , does anyone have the muti / ambush macro with the GSE

🥹

[gaunt moat]

GSE?

[main monolith]

yes, they had pinned it a long time ago but i accidentally deleted it

[honest mantle]

when does one press iridius fragment?

[gaunt moat]

sorry i'm meant to ask what does GSE mean

[gaunt moat]

with deathmark

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qVxKnpx7py7JsLbB9bRyCe

am i really gonna take essence over beacon man

[tranquil imp]

I think it has a crit/mast ring

[balmy condor]

yeh but all timewalking stuff is max 437

[tranquil imp]

Just depends on how bad you need the ring lol I assume not everyone has a 437 ring even

But I feel like this tier really brings to light the importance of Stat weights when you can get a similar piece with different stats and upgrade it so easily.

[lucid birch]

?

[balmy condor]

fuck you, should've bubbled me

[balmy condor]

stack the boss they said

it'll be fine

they said

[gilded oasis]

kek

[timber pawn]

can you just macro the Dragonfire bomb dispenser to mutilate so it throws everytime its on CD?

[marsh crystal]

Is the matrix stabilizer trinket from firelands not implemented on raidbots or is it just that bad?

[gaunt moat]

you can if you want to

[timber pawn]

seems like itd be optimal

its off GCD and completely passiver

[balmy condor]

it would also brick your opener if you run double on use

but yes

optimal

[timber pawn]

would be no combo you'd want to run double on use this tier

[balmy condor]

bomb dispenser + beacon doesn't exist I guess

fragment doesn't exist

[dark token]

Or even anything plus old grief or puzzle box

Lots of double on use

[timber pawn]

eh thats right beacon is on use

I thought was passive, much sadge

[strange python]

Double on use is fine. You just send it when the sim says. Or you run nelth trink

[timber pawn]

Nelth Trink / Bomb Dispensor is BiS

[split grail]

There's no reason not to spam the bomb dispenser on raid bosses, right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[gusty mirage]

ur fake

[blazing jewel]

@balmy condor gottem

[balmy condor]

what is this

[blazing jewel]

rashok reclear

[balmy condor]

you're playing a spec that's like, at least 25% better

beating me by 1.5k

[blazing jewel]

at least

[balmy condor]

okay bro

[blazing jewel]

[lucid birch]

ive never been more real

[gusty mirage]

then why can't I feel you near me?

checkmate

[lucid birch]

im in your walls

[gusty mirage]

well get out of there and get on my lap

[strange python]

Dam seems low?

Is this mythic?

[blazing jewel]

yes

[strange python]

Hmm

We had like four people over 120 and barely beat enrage. Our low-end must be bad

[hexed basin]

what do we macro Anvil trink to?

[blazing jewel]

probably didnt soak enough and caused the enrage early

[marsh crystal]

Hmm 411 CoS ring is simming higher then a 424 ring from firelands with the same stats

[balmy condor]

yeah that makes sense

cos ring has an effect

the firelands ring doesn't

[bitter cargo]

where would we use beacon in our rotation

[balmy condor]

whenever you're feeling fruity

[strange python]

Depends on your other trinket

[marsh crystal]

I just would have thought that the cos ring wouldn’t have been as good still

[strange python]

Do you have fragment? Then after CDs. Don't have fragment? Send it.

[balmy condor]

things with effects real good

[strange python]

Whispyr

How is it that sin wound up less cancer than the others

What black magic curse did you put on sub and outlaw

[thorn fjord]

This sepsis build fucks

Feels really nice

Gotten like 4 99 parses so far

[thorn fjord]

You only think this because you’re caught up on the whole rotten build thing with sub… you ain’t gotta play it man

[runic hinge]

Sin just feels better regardless

[strange python]

The options for sub are overly complicated garbage or sleeper boring

[bitter cargo]

i have beacon and bomb

[viscid spear]

Igneous Flowstone

[bitter cargo]

im just trying to use it as early as possible i guess

no fragment yet

[somber fractal]

sorry if this has been asked a million times but does sepsis not get consumed by ambush anymore?

[balmy condor]

it does

it doesn't get consumed from blindside though

blindside takes prio

[runic hinge]

@balmy condor do you make the visual openers for the faq

Super clean. Love those.

[brazen zodiac]

c:

[balmy condor]

I whip @verbal mantle to make them to allow him the chance to atone for his greatest sin, being French

But yeh, visuals are all him

[runic hinge]

Deserved punishment but great work.

[hollow vault]

@balmy condor

so close...

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-be-quicker-than-that-be-quicker-mortgage-lead-leads-gif-25325589

[hollow vault]

i went exsang lmfao

the timings were so tight omfg

[balmy condor]

I think exsang on that kill time

Is actually just bad

[strange bronze]

is assasination in a better place than the other 2 rogue specs in S2?

[hollow vault]

fairrr sending a natty 3m exsang feels v awk

[balmy condor]

Not really

[hollow vault]

and had to send dm > exsang on the last one

[strange bronze]

im playing sub and the 4 set is kind of subpar and not really simming better than running 2 and 2

what would be your opinion on best spec?

[hollow vault]

sub imo

[balmy condor]

I simmed 6:20-6:40 kill time and exsang actually was like -0.4%

[strange bronze]

sorry kind of asking around

[balmy condor]

Sub is for sure the best spec atm

[hollow vault]

i will not abandon my beloved

[strange bronze]

ive just been hearing and seeing tier lists putting sub last

and I dont understand

[hollow vault]

they're silly gooses

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

That’s cause they’re actually composed by clueless chumps with 0 idea

And they’re just making misinformational clickbait

For fun

[thorn fjord]

Feels good to be back

On sin that is… had a really good night

[fathom nest]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ionic matrix]

what are you doing with your second portion of sepsis on the opener?

I don't know if I am supposed to let my exsang garrote fall completely off before I use the second part, or just send

[clever sapphire]

Let it fall

Then garrote

[ionic matrix]

thx

[balmy condor]

Should line up very naturally as well

It actually doesn’t feel like shit

Kinda odd

[signal badger]

hey @balmy condor any thoughts on how this might effect us?
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/0ec9d8456012a4060896462b10039c26bc855860

[balmy condor]

Negatively

[signal badger]

lol sad, was any other embellishment simming close enough to make boots not bis?

[balmy condor]

Yeah it should mean the toxic thorn boots are better, but those are over-simming as well

So

Kind of a lose lose

[signal badger]

sounds like Sin, tyvm!

[balmy condor]

Ye

[bold lintel]

is Seal of Diurna's Chosen going to remain bis ring for us entire patch? 20 ilvls upgrades with bis stats are a dps loss in sims

[balmy condor]

No

I already replaced mine today

[bold lintel]

yeah my vault kicked me in the nuts 20ilvl upgrades on head and ring both are worse cause the fire ring

[balmy condor]

Yeh I replaced my cowl week… 1 I think

Idk it’s kinda all mushing together

[bold lintel]

did you go for decay infusion on head piece or normal piece

[balmy condor]

I got my fire ring procced from bomb dispenser which I got on first kill

So must’ve been week 1

And then replaced cowl with tier

Crafted my toxic patch

[bold lintel]

got bomb dispenser as well but raidbots still say its not enough to replace cowl

[balmy condor]

And then got a 441 haste/crit ring, and that was the final nail in the coffin

[bold lintel]

also cherry on top my alt with 1 option got Irideus Fragment

[balmy condor]

That ones still oversimming for assa as well, so I wouldn’t feel too bad

[glad vapor]

Another PTR patch and zero changes for us.

[balmy condor]

That’s a factual statement

[fleet pagoda]

ngl the sepsis changes and fragment lining up with exsang/being instant is making this tier a lot more fun to play with

like exsang feels better to push with sepsis

[balmy condor]

Why does it sound like you’re pressing exsang at 3 min

[steel ridge]

because it lines with sepsis!

[balmy condor]

I’m concerned

Every time someone starts talking about exsang

[fleet pagoda]

ahhh whoops haha

[balmy condor]

My brain scans like one of those terminator robots

[fleet pagoda]

i expressed that in the inverse way i should ahve

[balmy condor]

For signs of 3 min exsang usage

I’m like skynet

[fleet pagoda]

i'm not i promise! i'm a 4 minute enjoyer

[balmy condor]

Good good

You will be spared when the robots take over

And set to hard manual labor

[fleet pagoda]

[ornate dawn]

But shiny button glow must press

[balmy condor]

Change your wa to make it only glow when the cooldown of Deathmark is <5 seconds remaining

That way you can train yourself like Pavlov’s dog

Dopamine hit on weakaura glow instead of bell ring

Have yourself salivating on your keyboard

[grim jay]

Thats only if you stream

[balmy condor]

Wait a damn minute

[cursive dagger]

Are slimy boots over simming in general on ST or is that just other classes?

[grim jay]

Caught him offguard

[bold lintel]

i am playing with icon so its not that it would be bad replacment

[cursive dagger]

Just for other classes*

[balmy condor]

The haste reduction wasn’t being counted, now it is

[balmy condor]

Holy yeah get rid of that shit

[cursive dagger]

Ahhh so for classes that are haste enjoyers they are a little worse?

[balmy condor]

God bless

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Might be a toxic thorn angle

[cursive dagger]

I’m guessing that didn’t affect like sub/sin to much?

[balmy condor]

But it’s super minimal

[cursive dagger]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

Well sin likes haste

And sub doesn’t

[sick aspen]

re the above question about the slimy boots, if both are simming incorrectly do we just avoid crafting boots at the moment?

[balmy condor]

You can still craft boots

If you want a consistent boot that could be slightly worse, craft slimy

If you’re trying to min-max but at the risk that it might be worse with some rng, craft toxic

They’re both fine

You’re never going to notice a difference either way

[cursive dagger]

Fantastic

[balmy condor]

Only difference you’ll ever notice is the simdps being like 300 lower or whatever

[sick aspen]

ah ok, wasn't sure if like, shoulders were going to come out left field or something

[balmy condor]

In which case stop comparing them

And just be happy

[bold lintel]

we are playing wow my guy

[balmy condor]

Nah those things ass

[bold lintel]

we are not meant to be happy

[balmy condor]

It’s def between boots

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-gif-22797134

[royal lantern]

idk, im a fox running around stabbing stuff and has a cool dragon mount

makes me happy

[clever sapphire]

i dont like the dragon mount

flying is annoying

[bold lintel]

fair but counter argument

my vault is shit

[clever sapphire]

i wanna press autowalk and go take a toilet break

[royal lantern]

@clever sapphire ita ok, everyone can have some objectively shit takes once in a while

[clever sapphire]

i like how they look tho 🤔

[bold lintel]

remind me of a druid post on wow forums saying that dragon flying is unplayable for druids cause they cannot shape shift into their travel forms

[clever sapphire]

druids are the only spec that can mount in vortex

they should just enjoy that

[grim jay]

If you dont like the sarkareth dragon skin you are down bad

Objectively perfect visuals

[clever sapphire]

never looked at it

cause im not getting it

[clever sapphire]

okay you know what? I enjoy the new dragonriding when i jump from the highest cliff and just fly to the dungeon without pressing anything

cause that way its just like the old mount flight

[royal lantern]

i mean

every dungeon except HoI has a flightpoint

use them lol

[clever sapphire]

nah that costs gold

[royal lantern]

they where always faster than normal flying anyway

[clever sapphire]

you think i have gold to spare

[bold lintel]

pickpocket some gold of mobs so you can afford public transport

[royal lantern]

OH NO, THE GOLD COST THAT IS PAID BY KILLING A RANDOM WORLD ENEMY

[bold lintel]

yeah but killing is illegal man

[clever sapphire]

i havent done a single world quest since the expansion started

[royal lantern]

we loot 20-30gold from every enemy, worldquest reward 1k+ and people talk about flightmasters cost

[bold lintel]

in blood elf voice "That would be stealing"

[clever sapphire]

i get my money from selling plants, when im so bored that i fly around collecting them

[bold lintel]

and Dragonflight being so fun you are never bored so you don't have gold

i get that

[clever sapphire]

i dont even know where my gold went tbf XD

[grim jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=205876/highland-drake-embodiment-of-the-hellforged

Easy week 2 grab for me, just loot it bro

[clever sapphire]

okay ye that looks kind acool

is it still a skin for the first dragon?

[grim jay]

The Highland drake. Ye

[clever sapphire]

noice

[clever sapphire]

i should do world content wait, could double my money with just 3 world quests

[bold lintel]

Murlock is the guy that jumps off on every wipe to avoid repair bills

even when everyone is alive and he feels like he is going to die he just jumps off

[grim jay]

Just boost some keys

[clever sapphire]

da hell, im the guy who evasion tanks for 10 seconds when wipe is called so i can vanish

no repair bills

[bold lintel]

gotta play sub for double vanish

[clever sapphire]

thats the plan

havent looked at requirements yet

[bold lintel]

make your own boosting community and make the requirments yourself

[clever sapphire]

if we wipe before the second dm, i still have vanish

[bold lintel]

that some quick wiping

[shell cloud]

anyone has sepsis buff tracker wa link pls?

[grim jay]

You currently can even earn mucho with 15s, requirements for that arent high

[bold lintel]

i count to 10 outloud

[young panther]

!whypir

[clever sapphire]

time to get started i guess

[young panther]

!whyspir

[clever sapphire]

i have a timer beside me

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[young panther]

thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

spell my name wrong again and I swear to god I will politely correct you and wish you a good rest of your day

[bold lintel]

hello whespyr

noone ever wished me good day

[grim jay]

Scary

[bold lintel]

this is my first time

[grim jay]

I dont think my heart could take that much kindness if it were me

[bold lintel]

well i don't know whats going to happen

its a first time for me

here it comes

i am shaking

[balmy condor]

I didn't offer it to you mister, don't try to abuse the system for your personal gains

[bold lintel]

yeah kinda deserved it

[balmy condor]

back of the line, criminal scum!

[bold lintel]

now you are talking like my mum

thats just uncalled for

[balmy condor]

your mum calls you criminal scum?

[bold lintel]

on a good day yeah

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry to hear that

[subtle tundra]

Criminal's cum

[bold lintel]

if your dad is a criminal you could be described as such

[grim jay]

No

Stahp

[bold lintel]

don't look at me i didnt start that

[subtle tundra]

😊

[balmy condor]

what if I just want to look at you though

[bold lintel]

you will have to wish me good day or ill file for sexual harrasment

[clever sapphire]

[subtle tundra]

Omg vault soon

[clever sapphire]

opened my vault, closed the game and went to work

[balmy condor]

you drive a hard bargain, have a great day sir

[clever sapphire]

btw can i upgrade rings cheaper if i had one 447 ring?

[bold lintel]

i was right

it does feel good

[clever sapphire]

or do i have to have 2 447 rings for that

[bold lintel]

Mr Whispering sir if irideus fragment is fake inflated are our to go trinkets bomb dispenser and beacon?

[raven merlin]

2 rings

[clever sapphire]

i guess im taking the cape from the vault, thx

[balmy condor]

ye

doesn't mean frag is bad

just means it's not giga bis op omega donger like it might seem atm

[clever sapphire]

but its still bis from dungeons correct?

[bold lintel]

if its inflated dice might be better?

[clever sapphire]

well imma just wait for the final statement about it, probably gonna be pinned anyways

not like i get any trinket besides the brackenhide oe

one

[balmy condor]

probably equal to dice

might be a little worse than dice

but I would probably say they're about equal

and I just replaced my 447 vault dice with a 441 heroic beacon

so

[clever sapphire]

pog

[balmy condor]

if that gives you some indication of trinket values

[clever sapphire]

i already know that raid is op

and m+ is meh

[clever sapphire]

wouldnt it be fun if their solution to assa rogue being "bad" in M+ be that IC now hits 10 targets instead of 8 and AP hits 6 extra targets instead of 4

[vestal wren]

think a easy solution would be to just put more power in the bleeds

[steel ridge]

iirc IC was uncapped in the first beta cycle and quickly got changed to hit max 8 targets

[clever sapphire]

ye i remember that

imagine academy tree room with uncapped IC

[steel ridge]

unholy dk sends its regards

[clever sapphire]

probably ye

[steel ridge]

i mean, fixing assassination is not hard, you just have to take some risks

we talked about that at length, but yeah i am tired of it tbh

just playing the spec as is and thats fine for me

[clever sapphire]

oh im just bored waiting for patchnotes so im thinking what they would change that they actually would

[steel ridge]

and i am well past that point already 😄

[clever sapphire]

understandable

gimme deathspike and im a happy man

[steel ridge]

i lack a comfortable bind for that, CT and SBS are on the same button for me

cause usually you dont have both

[clever sapphire]

how did you play assa on council O.o

[steel ridge]

i played AP/IC on council, theres no sbs in that build is it?

[clever sapphire]

i think there is 🤔

[steel ridge]

my 99 mythic parse tells me i did it okish

[clever sapphire]

or i played a wrong build i dunno, but i remember having sbs there

so i had to move CT to a different bind cause i also use sbs and CT on same bind xD

[steel ridge]

i tried that and couldnt find anything that wouldnt blow up my muscle memory

its kinda fucked up with all the new options we got for DF

[clever sapphire]

i like it, the only hard part was figuring out where to put my covenant abilities when i have 2

cause i always used the same keybind for all of them

F was for the covenant abilities, now its for ER and all the others go to 5

[steel ridge]

this

[clever sapphire]

and on council i had to put CT on T cause sbs was on 5 already xD

[steel ridge]

if they remove SnD i can free up a good bind

dont ask why i have snd on a good bind xD

[clever sapphire]

oh that would mess with my brain sooooo hard

i have it on shift 1

so also an easy bind xD

[steel ridge]

when i am on my fury warrior i laugh in less binds

while still having a perfect rotational flow

[clever sapphire]

i touched my mage again yesterday, arcane had 20 buttons, i switched to fire and i was like "okay 6 buttons and rest is utility?"

[steel ridge]

😄

firemage doesnt have many buttons, but its hecking annoying to play

the changes on PTR are sounding very very good

especially that SKB is going to be 30 seconds instead of 15

[clever sapphire]

only thing i know is that i hate waiting for fireball or pyroblast to land to know if it critted or not

[steel ridge]

need to gear up my mage a bit for 10.1.5

[royal lantern]

class traitor

[steel ridge]

i am an altaholic

[royal lantern]

mate, i can understand that, but a RANGED DPS??

[clever sapphire]

i play arcane when i play mage so its kinda the same as assa, usually good in heroic weeks than falls off

[steel ridge]

but i have more hours on rogue than all of them combined, by a mile

[clever sapphire]

also the hate child of mages

[steel ridge]

since alts are only for flavour, i only like fire and dont care about arcane at all

[clever sapphire]

all the melees are boring compared to rogue, so i cant play another melee

[steel ridge]

all the melees have shit short arms

thats the main culprit

[grim jay]

I found a gate to Altered Time

[clever sapphire]

isnt that the mage discord

[steel ridge]

mage discord is garbo

[clever sapphire]

its not that mage discord is garbo, its that pretty much every other classes discord is worse compared to rogue

cause rogue discord is poggers

[verbal mantle]

[tawny chasm]

survival hunter 🙂

[steel ridge]

yeah true, ravenholdt is like magnitudes better in terms of TC/FAQ Quality than the other discords

[turbid heath]

simmed to take the trinket, probs gonna wait til after raid tmr 😄

[steel ridge]

and we have whispyr, our catgirl overlord.

[clever sapphire]

the raid trinket or loaded dice?

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

I feel like the sim sheets the tcs put out is better than the entirety of most class discords

[clever sapphire]

cause as far as i know the raid trinket is similiar to council trinket, the best when you have all buffs

[turbid heath]

simmed my char and it said take trinket - but ill wait til we finish raid tomorrow cause might get heavy loot 😄

[clever sapphire]

ye just dont tell them about your vault, that way you can take dice and get the raid trinket too from raid

[turbid heath]

lmaoo

[clever sapphire]

they dont have to know all your secrets

[clever sapphire]

dude legit, every time i wanna look into a class i go to the discord, pins are from shadowlands, faq still has bfa shit and im like wtf i want to see how its in dragonflight or if the patch that came out months ago changes anything

[royal lantern]

i remember how mages didnt even had spec channels and instead was just all 1channel for a looong time

so you had somone ask a question about arcane and 30000people instantly answered with OMG PLAY FIRE YOU FKING IDIOT ARCANE BAD FIRE GOOD

[blazing jewel]

meanwhile in rogue discord the tcs will stare at apls for 4 hours on 800mg of caffeine to get .01 gain

and explain in detail how they got that gain

[clever sapphire]

patch notes arrive, there is a pin 10 seconds later how much of a gain/lose it is, what new talents to take/not take, new bis trinkets

[steel ridge]

and slow mode, because we are apes

[blazing jewel]

and the best part of it all they tolerate us shitposting them

[royal lantern]

you mean: patchnotes arrive, Channel is slowmode 10sec later

[clever sapphire]

well that just comes with being such a lovely community that we spam the shit out of the pings and whatnot so they have to slow us down

was there a slowmode when they posted latest patch notes without rogue changes? Im not sure if i overslept it or if we evolved

[royal lantern]

nah

cus nobody plays assa anymore anyway

[clever sapphire]

i guess 5 people cant type enough to result in slowmode

[shell osprey]

hey! i play assassin still

even in high keys, still love its playstyle over either specs

[clever sapphire]

relatable

my group forced me to play sub for a few keys cause i really wanted that second 20 vault slot. Guess what, my hand was hurting because i was only spamming like 2 buttons xD

i know its more, but aoe felt like im spamming 2 buttons

[normal mist]

Because it is that xD

And a occasional sectec

[shell osprey]

i just wish they would give sin more love, like lower IC cd...or give some more energy regen

[clever sapphire]

hmmm lover IC cd would just make ap even less relevant

also you probably would never have a problem with having dots up

[shell osprey]

feel like sin's resource usage is so high on ST , feels fine with tons of bleeds on of course

lower ic cd would make pulling in m+ SOO much nicer

[clever sapphire]

well chain pulls would feel nicer sure

[balmy condor]

lower ic cd would also completely demolish any multi-dotting whatsoever

it's like saying you're taking cocaine to get off of heroine

[clever sapphire]

i like IC as it is tbh

i can put up all the initial dots

and if pull goes on longer i will have to refresh a few

[royal lantern]

storm>powder>storm>powder>storm>powder>storm>powder>dance>sotrm>powder>storm>sectec>storm>powder>storm>powder

throw in some ruptures bettwen dances if you feel fancy

[balmy condor]

IC should be like a 2 min cooldown

[royal lantern]

its so braindead, it actually hurts

[balmy condor]

bleeds need buffing in aoe

[clever sapphire]

you forgot flag if i may say so myself

[balmy condor]

the balance is sorta okay in single target

but gotta be stronger in aoe

[clever sapphire]

make it a 2 min but more relevant

[balmy condor]

and then you nerf ic cd to compensate

so it's not actually just all your aoe

it's just a cooldown

[grim jay]

So like most specs. They either ST for aoe or dot stuff and 1-2-1-2-1-2

[clever sapphire]

ye IC would be nice as an actual cooldown, so you would have to think about which pull to use it on

and not just always use it on cooldown

[royal lantern]

scent of blood giving a huge rupture/garrote dmg boost when its on multiple targets instead of mainstat

[balmy condor]

that's what I said in stream like 6 hours ago

[royal lantern]

(ye fuck IC)

[royal lantern]

great minds think alike

[clever sapphire]

so you are saying make assa the new funnel spec

[balmy condor]

no, just making dots relevant in aoe

[clever sapphire]

well actually it already feels more funnel than sub

[royal lantern]

doesnt assa allready "funnel" better then sub anyway lol

[balmy condor]

it would actually hurt the funnel

since it wouldn't buff envenom like it does now

[clever sapphire]

ah brain afk, i read it as overall dmg boost, not dmg boost to the bleeds

[grim jay]

Considering you lose ST when "funneling" on sub ye

[royal lantern]

overall dmg boost is what it does rn lmao

[clever sapphire]

its still early here, thats my excuse

[clever sapphire]

wait so when i play sub and they say focus that target, i should spam BP cause thats more ST?

like freehold first pull

[royal lantern]

evisc doesnt really do big dmg

[grim jay]

No its about your damage to that specific target is higher if you just ST it down

[royal lantern]

storm>evisc is not really a st gain

[clever sapphire]

well ye that would feel fun, that way i wouldnt put up rupture so i have energy, but put up dots because it does dmg

[grim jay]

And imo funnel is only if you gain damage to that target through other targets, which you dont

[royal lantern]

if you really need a single add to die in a Pack as sub, you do your normal st, and not "funnel" with storm>evisc

[shell osprey]

yeah i guess ic lower cd would make it too easy or braindead, but something needs to be done about aoe imo

its like, to me, sin is so close to being perfect

its just missing a lil something to me

balance aside

[clever sapphire]

make rupture/garrote dmg more relevant the more you have up, give ic 2 min cooldown, that does sound good imo

[clever sapphire]

ye imma just play assa and funnel while doing aoe, most likely less aoe overall than sub but better burst

but the new rotten sub build was fun to play around with, still sticking to assa but it was a nice changeup

[shell osprey]

hopin half patch brings some meaningful changes

[clever sapphire]

buff bleed dmg

probably the easiest solution if they dont wanna think much

[balmy condor]

exsang change

to buff aoe bleed

yep

exsang dead

and from the ashes

new buff

[deft flicker]

So what you’re saying is “gloom-powder is more prio damage than storm-evisc”??

[clever sapphire]

and now whispyr has another sleepless night, or 2, or 3 cause he has to do all the sims from the bottom

[clever sapphire]

normal ST is gloom evisc 🤔

[balmy condor]

ripping all the exsang logic out of the APL

will be the happiest I have been

doing APL work

in many years

[clever sapphire]

thats all we need

a happy whispyr is a good whispyr

[dense lantern]

does the talents build changes for tyrannic weeks in m+?

[balmy condor]

no

[shell osprey]

i dont want exsang to come back in any form simular to what it is now lol

[clever sapphire]

i sometimes run the full on sbs ST build if i know my group has big aoe

[shell osprey]

i dislike that playstyle so much lol

[trail mica]

btw, what is going on with rogue developers? we didn't get any kind of talent/ability changes in a long while...

[balmy condor]

do we look like blizzard

[buoyant pilot]

u should look like blizzard

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-portlock-gif-21438416

[clever sapphire]

implement all the changes the rogue discord cooked up, lets see if we can get on the level of warlocks

[balmy condor]

rogue developers probably got stuck in line for the new spiderman movie preorders bro idk

[trail mica]

wasn't there a rogue developer somewhere around here?

[clever sapphire]

ye he left

[deft flicker]

I mean it sounds cursed but if storm-evisc isn’t worth pressing at any point, then gloom-powder is worth it in some cases

[balmy condor]

perhaps the devs had to go to the DMV to renew their license

and got stuck

[trail mica]

sure seems like it

[royal lantern]

no, litearlly doing your normal ST rotation is

[clever sapphire]

dunno not a sub player

[buoyant pilot]

washing machine is an option too

[balmy condor]

I could come up with other dumb aimless dawdles if it makes you feel better

[clever sapphire]

i want your dumbest one

[blazing jewel]

That’s turbo cooked

[royal lantern]

you say that now

and then the entire APL just breaks

[balmy condor]

the dumbest one I could come up with is that they spent too much time sunbathing in cancun over the spring

[blazing jewel]

When does sin get tigers fury

[royal lantern]

we can get tigers furry

[clever sapphire]

give rogue windfury totem instead of SnD

[buoyant pilot]

Give us a tank spec

[clever sapphire]

you are already a tank for 10 seconds

[balmy condor]

idk

it's

so fucking weird to me

when people come in and go "where is the rogue dev"

as if it's just a normal thing to ask random strangers on the internet what someone does at their 9-5

like hey bro @clever sapphire, what's @blazing jewel been up to

[blazing jewel]

👀

[balmy condor]

tell me about his job

[clever sapphire]

cookin up shit about combining assa and feral

[balmy condor]

what's he been doing

is he doing work?:

[deft flicker]

Yep

[blazing jewel]

Nope

[balmy condor]

you see how fucking psycho that sounds

[clever sapphire]

doing gods work

[balmy condor]

when you do that with normal people

but for some reason it's okay to do that with a dev

because..... what

[blazing jewel]

Did I just get called a normie

[balmy condor]

people assume they don't do anything?

[clever sapphire]

isnt that the reason why realz left? I wasnt really lookin much here at the time

[buoyant pilot]

i watch tiktok and its normal

[balmy condor]

blizzard pays them to do nothing?

fucking lmao

[balmy condor]

he didn't give a reason

[blazing jewel]

Also people assume devs have free reign as to what they can change

[clever sapphire]

but like you can assume lookin at how shit went when he was here

[balmy condor]

devs are their own boss don't you know

there's no management

no projects

they just work on whatever they think is fun that day

[royal lantern]

you forgot that they also DESTROY the game for fun sometimes

[blazing jewel]

I heard pinging him in RH makes him work faster though

[balmy condor]

the team just walks in on a monday and goes "hmmmm perhaps we make survival melee"

and bam

by friday it's done

[clever sapphire]

jokes on you, thats how shadowpriest rework goes

they toss up a coin every monday, if it lands on heads they rework SP

if its tails warlock gets buffed

if its neither rogue gets changes

[royal lantern]

"man, i feel like that we need a shadowpriest rework, lets do it, the higher ups wont notice"

no other reason behind jt

[deft flicker]

Sounds like what Elon’s been doing for the past couple months

[night crag]

any ide ? 😄

[royal lantern]

dice

[shell osprey]

surv hunter chance made me so sad back in the day, that was my class i fell in love with wow on

[royal lantern]

essence is not great for assa iirc

[blazing jewel]

For how much the devs get flamed. It’s a miracle that rogue sims ended up nearly equal after removing damage amps a day before the tier and sending a compensation buff

[balmy condor]

that seems like a completely reasonable and logical method of project management at a multi-million dollar corporation which supports dozens of games yeah

I frankly can't imagine that it works any other way

[clever sapphire]

see told you, if you agree with me than it must be correct

but ye its still better than them canceling ow2 pve

now its ow 0.9

[royal lantern]

i installed a modpack for mincecraft once, that means i know excatly why blizz didnt fix bug X yet

its because they are lazy

nothing else

[blazing jewel]

Akkkshually they are super lazy

[deft flicker]

Bug X is crucial for client’s stability

[languid pier]

i wanna shoot myself

[clever sapphire]

btw how did we land here from comparing assa funnel to sub funnel

wat da hell

[balmy condor]

that's probably the best vault I've seen this patch

crazy

[languid pier]

Yeah

If i didn't had all the tier

[blazing jewel]

Yo whispyr

[languid pier]

The ring is Haste/Crit

[clever sapphire]

my first vault was insane, 4 set pieces, this vault is deadge

[languid pier]

And the essence is bad

[blazing jewel]

Sin probably cranks magma dog

[clever sapphire]

but you should probably wait with taking gear until you did raid this week

[shell osprey]

whats everyones opinion on the call to nelth trinket, got one today and its avg uptime seems pretty rough

[clever sapphire]

with that vault atleast

[languid pier]

im 4/5 already

[balmy condor]

decent in dungeons, rng gamba mess in raids

[languid pier]

only thing i could take is the shoulders for ilvl

and i lose the parasyte from the other's i have

[clever sapphire]

ah than its much easier 😄

[languid pier]

but literally all my tier parts are 424

[grim jay]

Sone people in my guild call it a dick-move

But ye its better

[clever sapphire]

im not in a guild anymore, maybe thats one of the reasons why 🤣

[blazing jewel]

Do you just pug everything then

[clever sapphire]

yap

[blazing jewel]

[clever sapphire]

well i still dont have endboss dead on hc

[balmy condor]

I'd rather quit honestly

that sounds terrible

[clever sapphire]

well yes but no

i can actually do what i want, when i want

cause i dont have to be online at exact times

[blazing jewel]

Go app to guilds

[balmy condor]

yeah but you also can't do mythic

[blazing jewel]

Rogues are high demand

[clever sapphire]

well ye only sad part is not doing mythic

[grim jay]

Well you can but not sure if you would join mythic groups

[clever sapphire]

im just gonna do the same i did last season

[languid pier]

Tbh

Is better to join your guild

[balmy condor]

pugging mythic is a shit show

[languid pier]

than a group of pug for mythic

is gonna be a clown fiesta

[clever sapphire]

join a guild thats 7/8 reclearing, then leave cause they are acctually shit but they had a whole season to get there xD

thats how i got my 7 kills last season

[royal lantern]

many guilds look for them

then i get in contanct, send logs and the first answer is "UUUHHHH, WHY IS IT ALMOST ALL ASSASSINATION??"

🙂

[languid pier]

lel

[blazing jewel]

Then you respond with it was a miss input before pull

[deft flicker]

Comfy pick

[languid pier]

Mine is just "Wow bro assassination is huge this season they gonna get nerfed for sure"

[blazing jewel]

What guild rank cares if you only play sin tf

[royal lantern]

i dont even Play only assa lol, i swap when fights really need it, like dathea did

[languid pier]

there is only 1 boss aoe i think?

[blazing jewel]

Just 1 platform dathea ez

Sin bis

[royal lantern]

but turns out, my assa is good enough that in 99% of cases im told "you do great, stay and do dmg"

but log andys cant grasp that

[dusty trellis]

isnt it better then iridius now ? since we can macro it with every DM ( same ilvl 437 )

[royal lantern]

[blazing jewel]

Wow that’s crazy who would have predicted that

If you’re good at a spec the damage is good enough for nearly every guild

[steel ridge]

you think? it sims pretty decent for me, if you add in allied buffs

[languid pier]

Primary stat -) Mastery

also you get 600 mastery from iridius

[shell osprey]

yeah thats what i saw in raids too, i dont think i like it lol

[balmy condor]

a 35 second mastery buff

[languid pier]

I got Iridius and dice

[steel ridge]

same, my RL doesnt care at all as long as i do boss damage well

[steel ridge]

well then you are better equipped than i am 😄

[royal lantern]

interaction with 4set effect hello???

[balmy condor]

[languid pier]

That's why i said is bs my vault

[royal lantern]

4set+that trinket+kingsbane forbidden tech incomming

[blazing jewel]

He’s punching air right now

[steel ridge]

bro get some weapon enchants

[languid pier]

not paying 21k for rank 3 enchants x)

[blazing jewel]

It’s the exact hour that sin builds are cooked up

[languid pier]

each

[steel ridge]

then get some cheap ones atleast

[languid pier]

Im waiting to make mine

im enchanter

[shell osprey]

weapon enchants are crutches

real dps use no weapon enchants

[balmy condor]

bro I ain't simming some 35 second mastery on use thing

bomb dispenser and beacon are actually crazy strong

[rigid tartan]

But still it might be stronger given 2 minute timer especially right?

[balmy condor]

doubt it

[blazing jewel]

I thought they were going away with crazy strong trinkets and then they drop griefy t and beacon back to back

[balmy condor]

like

just because a trinket says 2 minutes

doesn't mean it's instantly good

it's not like blizzard forgot that cooldowns happen every 2 minutes

and just made a trinket

[rigid tartan]

This is dungeon gear. Is that upgradeable? Otherwise I join the “I doubt it” team

[languid pier]

Tried it with the build whispyr has

[dusty trellis]

why you didnt put 437 ?

[languid pier]

you can't get that trinket in 437+

[balmy condor]

that is, if its even simming as it should

[languid pier]

is a Timewalking trinket

[balmy condor]

basically all the timewalking stuff the first time around has a high chance to simply be incorrect

[dusty trellis]

then why on bloodmallet its shows also as 437 ?

[shell osprey]

yeah bomb and sark trinket on paper seemed good, i wanna get dice cause rogue trinket haha

[balmy condor]

what

[shell osprey]

where is that skardyns from?

[balmy condor]

why would dice be a rogue trinket

[shell osprey]

cause you know...roll the bones...

you know...

[blazing jewel]

Outlaw is a fury warrior with guns

[dusty trellis]

we dont talk outlaw here

[shell osprey]

[grim jay]

OL isnt rogue

[blazing jewel]

That ain’t no rogue

[languid pier]

even if you could get them 437

they still suck a lot

[shell osprey]

oh no

i didnt know

im not ttrying to start anything!

[languid pier]

imma try on fuu's build

[languid pier]

they should had made a pirate class instead of fcking combat

with the pistols etc

[dusty trellis]

parrot skill that throws guano

[languid pier]

is bad too bro

[balmy condor]

I think it's time to go to bed tbh

too many chefs here

and I'm not hungry

[dusty trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-to-stay-please-stay-stay-with-me-dont-go-jim-henson-gif-15370648

[languid pier]

https://tenor.com/view/so-salty-salt-bae-bitter-jealous-angry-gif-17584364

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cat-eating-eating-corn-gif-24649702

[grim jay]

@balmy condor wish we could say the same. No way we cant be hungry with a snack like you around

[spice surge]

That trinket was bis during early legion for DHs so blizzard absolutely annihilated it

[clever sapphire]

pirate would have been cool

remove outlaw, make it its own class with 2 specs

[blazing jewel]

Just remove outlaw

Done

[clever sapphire]

and now that outlaw is not a rogue spec anymore, we have place to get a 3rd spec and thats a support one

[languid pier]

yeah but nope let's make rogue a pirate

[languid pier]

BARD

[clever sapphire]

[languid pier]

OOOOOOOOOOOOR

[shell osprey]

healing rogue

[clever sapphire]

but how does rogue and bard fit together

[shell osprey]

we stab our friends to heal

[clever sapphire]

nah support support, not healer

[languid pier]

JAJAJAJAJA

I love that idea

[clever sapphire]

imma backstab the shit out of you until you are full health

[blazing jewel]

Sin chat is way too dank right now

[shell osprey]

makes no sense but if its fun why not