assassination

[warm sleet]

Man we need help bros

[dark token]

Idk why u guys are dooming raid and m+ feels like we pump, only in max gear do we fall off a little

And then maybe we can get buffed

[gusty mirage]

Wdym only in max gear

[subtle tundra]

what

[dark token]

I think sub tier piece will receive a further buff

4pc**

[gusty mirage]

I’m getting shat on by our locks in keys lol

[dark token]

Since they don't like people running 2p2p

Are you sin?

Or sub

[eager sorrel]

While 40% of 'your damage' is flat damage procs from trinket/rings/weapons :)

[gusty mirage]

Sub

[subtle tundra]

i like to think i play m+ pretty well

[dark token]

Did they get funneled more gear?

[subtle tundra]

i still do bad

[gusty mirage]

No

We have similar ilvl and tier

Warlock is fucking juiced man

[eager sorrel]

Ya, but running keys and not having a melee interupt feels so bad :P

[gusty mirage]

A 415 demo lock was keeping up with me in keys

And this man says it’s fine rn

[earnest remnant]

question

do you press blackpowder?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[winged veldt]

yea i havent lost to a lock in keys yet but they dont have this tier neither do i so ><. Maybe they were all just terribad lol

[strange python]

I play in a group with an MM hunter who gets pocket PI and an evoker that just swapped off Feral. I gave up trying to be top DPS in my keys long ago.

[gray crest]

well have you tried pressing black powder a second time?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[winged veldt]

LOL

[dark token]

Idk I'm blasting more than our locks and our locks are pretty fuckin good

[gusty mirage]

Don’t you have heroic sark to wipe on roujin

[gusty mirage]

Apparently they aren’t

[gray crest]

I already killed it last night

[gusty mirage]

I’ve only ever beat okay/decent warlocks

[eager sorrel]

Biggest I got gapped in a key so far was a 4 set warrior in pinnacle

[gusty mirage]

A good warlock will take your lunch and eat it in front of you

[arctic current]

Just ask the OP lock to resummon you every boss for ST spec... prob still lose to him lol

[dense stirrup]

last kill from echo

right now

[gusty mirage]

Last kill on what boss

[subtle tundra]

any context

[dense stirrup]

the last one

[gray crest]

locks are still trying to get their op gear

once they get 4 set and the neltharions trinket its gg

[gusty mirage]

Don’t worry, we have uh

We have atrophic

[gray crest]

dont forget shroud

[gusty mirage]

True

Let’s you skip early trash to death skip assault trash

[strange python]

As if Shroud was exclusive to Assa anyways

[gusty mirage]

I mean at this point it’s a play any spec to not be 13th dps angle

[subtle tundra]

well atleast i like sepsis

in raid

:3

[sleek mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

thats how i feel rn

[subtle tundra]

no more poopoo sbs

[trail mica]

new shadowflame weapon enchant any good?

[storm forum]

It procs eggnog ring so we can get rid of cowl.

[trail mica]

cowl does 10% of my dmg

[spice spire]

Shut ur mouth

[heavy pine]

im looking for a raiding team that does old raids anybody know of one im assasination

[storm belfry]

wdym old raids

like legacy? idk of any that actually forms a group for that most ppl just use the group finder for that or start their own

[heavy pine]

yeah i just wanted to be a little more serious with a group

thanks though

[storm belfry]

a lot of those you can actually solo

idk how far back you are trying to go

[chilly viper]

We bing chilling guys

Were getting buffs tonight

🤡

Tier set buffs hopefully

[subtle tundra]

wat

[chilly viper]

Coping rn

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[subtle tundra]

yea but its not even correct coping

buffs dont happen on friday

[heavy pine]

i want the dimesional bag from the last expansion and remornia

[chilly viper]

They do no?

[subtle tundra]

maybe they have at some point, but not normally

[heavy pine]

but to get the bag you have to do the raid ten times without dying

remornia i have no clue

[spice spire]

For PTR

[stiff frost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frigid pilot]

My 4pc is a net loss unitil I upgrade all the way to 441

🤡

[chilly viper]

Love to see it

[dark token]

idk seems good

[peak bobcat]

Playing affliction

[dark token]

(last tier)

(aff was good btw)

[frigid pilot]

Heroic beacon went to a ret first 🙂

[dark token]

same

are rets scamming us

[frigid pilot]

[spice spire]

We are getting gaslit brethren

Do not succumb

[frigid pilot]

Literally 3500 dps for rogue over last tier trinket

[dark token]

i mean it's their bis

for us its 2nd best

makes sense they prio it to rets

[spice spire]

Ur propagating the gaslighting

Do not let them gaslight you

[eager sorrel]

Ours too :P

[spice spire]

All trinkets and tier (even non zenith) belong to us

[rain oyster]

Your beacon went to a Ret, my bomb dispenser went to a trial 🙃

[spice spire]

Dispenser lowkey actually a troll

What class

[eager sorrel]

N bomb dispenser to feral, H went to havoc

[rain oyster]

Rogue but still

Rip 4k dos gain

[spice spire]

Thats kinda fucked up

But I get it at least

[rain oyster]

It was an oversight 😅

Happens

They thought the trink is meh

[dark token]

my week 1 eranog ring

went to a fire mage trial who flunked his trial

and now i still dont have one

[spice spire]

[rain oyster]

I tilted off the face of the planet tho 😂

[spice spire]

Can’t blame you

[grim tangle]

my guild is giving items to required classes that are always going to be in, but we have 2 rogues so neither of us is always going to be in, so we get nothing

[dark token]

i had like 3 people message me why i use double fang adornments

[spice spire]

I’ve asked all my raiders their top 3 trinkets so I can at least mark them lightly

[rain oyster]

That mog

[spice spire]

Why not just boots at that point

[dark token]

dont have s1 sparks

so i cant craft toxic patch or slimy boots

cause i made 2 crafted rings

and 2 daggs

since i didnt have flaring cowl

[rain oyster]

Boots on Tuesday then

[subtle tundra]

best thing about sub

having to put 2 poisons only

[spice spire]

Ahh

That’s pain then

Oof

[frigid pilot]

wats every1s st sim at rn

[storm belfry]

101k

[slate scarab]

I hope fixing Nightstalker (again...) isn't the "more rogue changes" they were talking about yesterday.

[flint tusk]

95k 😭 i've got zero loot

[near valley]

that was b4 the 10.1.5 changes were announced to be coming

so would think not

[slate scarab]

They just posted it again, so I hope you're right.

[frigid pilot]

[strange python]

Also at 95k Ive gotten almost nothing this week.

[viscid spear]

[tacit otter]

nearly 104:)

[sonic lodge]

A question which may seem stupid as heck, i'm approaching to assa recently ybh, may the opener be macroed?

Or it's unconvinient?

[gusty mirage]

no it cannot be macro'd

you could do a cast sequence macro

but the benefits are outweighed by something going fucky and ruining your entire opener

[strange python]

Fuck the opener and the opener fucks you

[sonic lodge]

So no, i simply stick going to do it by hands

Thx!

[royal lantern]

our 2 warlocks have 3 set and 2 normal nelth trinket dropped on the first kill

[gray crest]

yall are getting tier?

[royal lantern]

me?

[gusty mirage]

yes

I'm 4pc already

[gray crest]

i got a heroic dagger

[royal lantern]

full normal clear, nelth dead, 0 items

[gray crest]

and thats it

[royal lantern]

no trinkets, no tier

[gusty mirage]

skill issue

maybe they don't trust you cuz you're a fed

[gray crest]

im still popping off in raid.

they gotta hold me back

[gusty mirage]

just get a 441 fragment

to make all the warlocks cry

[gaunt moat]

[gray crest]

DE it to assert dominance

[gusty mirage]

I can't

I'll have to go back to puzzle box

check bim discord roujin

[gray crest]

the ol mio trick i see

[gusty mirage]

I've dropped 3 trinkets

and 2 of them were the dogshit trinket from halls

3rd was fragment

truly a tragedy

[timber kelp]

Hi all, anyone able to help out with a log review? I'm new to assassin. Looking for advice on ST rotation. Ignore the MT aspect of this fight, was just trying to tunnel the boss for the most part. I feel like I should be doing more damage, as I do more on sub that assa, but assa sims much higher for me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FrNAhzH4b9Ga61Lv#fight=29&type=damage-done&source=19

[gray crest]

honestly I kinda dont want to use bomb trinket. id prefer a passive trinket

[tacit otter]

it feels so underwhelming on 437 idk

[timber kelp]

I also feel like I really run out of energy before my 2 min comes up again

[storm belfry]

One warlock in my guild got that trinket their first mythic + and also got 4p already

[subtle tundra]

bit tight

[spice spire]

One quick start here is to check out wowa for the general look stuff.
If you’re not seeing a ton at that, then log review is possible, but it’s updated for our spec and is a decent tool

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[timber kelp]

Ty, this is very helpful

[spice spire]

[gray crest]

[exotic hearth]

I just wanna confirm that our BiS ends up being like all tier?

[spice spire]

That’s what the profile has

But the best thing to do is to sim yourself

[marble hemlock]

your bis is likely gonna depend a bit on what items you get from great vault, especially m+ items.

its why whispyr simmed most of his stuff with crafted items, cuz it has guaranteed stats

[exotic hearth]

Well obv, was just trying to make sure I don't take a tier piece that I end up not using later, but looks like it's just pick any/all until 4set

[violet talon]

Using Irideus Fragment - if running Exasang we want to sync it with that (aka every other DM). But if we are running the Sepsis build would it be better to fire on CD or still sync to every other DM?

[marble hemlock]

with how "easy" it is to get tier this patch, i wouldnt worry about it too much

[near valley]

sepsis feels pretty nice to play ngl

[dim jackal]

Yo i'm really confused about Echoing reprimand. what does it do?

like do i just use it? then use a finisher and it will be 7 combo points?

[limber lion]

You press it, it deals damage.

[spice spire]

Use a finisher on 2/3/4 and it’ll act like it’s a 7 cp finisher.

[limber lion]

After that it highlights one of your combo points and if you finish at that combo point, it will count as a 7 cp finisher.

[dim jackal]

oh so it's gotta be exact?

[spice spire]

But it’s really just press and if you happen to land on one, press finisher button. Playing around it usually isn’t worth

[limber lion]

If you use weak auras or look at the nameplate, you'll see it clearly.

[dim jackal]

AHHHH ty

[spice spire]

Yeah, you get one charge of each per ER. Ie. You use the 2cp finisher for ER, it won’t happen again until you reapply - you’ll just get a normal 2cp finisher after the first if you try again

[limber lion]

With Resounding Clarity*

[dim jackal]

ty ty ty

[limber lion]

ER itself only highlights one point

[spice spire]

Oh fuck you’re right! Ty!

[limber lion]

But you probs don't want to play ER without RC

[spice spire]

I’m so used to it since we always run RC

Excellent catch, sorry about that

[limber lion]

I played without RC in 10.0 on Rasz

[spice spire]

[limpid narwhal]

hey boys, is it not worth getting toxified armor patch? should my 2 embellishments be slimy boots and spore shoulders?

[limber lion]

Kingsbane without RC was the highest simming combo for a while

Until it was gutted entirely

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

There’s the profile with our embellishments

[limpid narwhal]

tyvm

[spice spire]

Shoulders are bugged (or maybe that’s intention?) and currently not worth

[frigid kestrel]

It’s toxic with slime currently

[limber lion]

pins

one day

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[limpid narwhal]

thank you very much boys really appreciate the quick help ❤️

[next dune]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[storm belfry]

WoW A showed me that my gameplay is good but my damage is low. Buff us

[humble ginkgo]

where did they pull these numbers from

[west swallow]

Is there a weak aura or some easier way to know when sepsis ends and you get your second ability?

[clever sapphire]

its the shiv buffs

20% gave us 20k dps

[humble ginkgo]

yea for sure

[thorn fjord]

I want answers

[spice spire]

Where the fuck

[vague widget]

It's the old promised vial pickpocket buffs.

[storm belfry]

That’s gotta be some bs

[humble ginkgo]

nvm quick refresh fixed

[storm belfry]

Sus

[dense swift]

What’s this then

[spice spire]

Classic skip

[dense swift]

Aoe parses?

[humble ginkgo]

idk

just simcraft

[rigid vessel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

Secret rogue changes from 10.1.5

[earnest remnant]

we probably should commit the new profiles xD

[humble ginkgo]

yea

[clever sapphire]

maybe it was execute phase only dps?

would make sense why arms warri is blasting so hard

[spice spire]

Probably 2t or some shit

[weak horizon]

does stepsis become stronger when you get tier?

[spice spire]

No

It’s just something to check over time.

[urban fern]

Was using exang build but the fuu sheet says to change to the sepsis build but I see the assa faq is still set to the older build. When do we use Sepsis?

[grim tangle]

why are echo and liquid using sub rogues instead of sin rogue when dratnos said sin rogue was A tier?

[gloomy plinth]

Is there a way to macro Mutilate so that it changes to Ambush on a Blindside proc?

[limber lion]

No

[haughty flicker]

because even good players make mistakes sometimes

[limber lion]

One extra keybind ain't that bad

[gloomy plinth]

That’s unfortunate. As things stand, I don’t have ready hotbar space for Fan of Knives.

[limber lion]

Have you used your modifier keys up already?

Can't run out if you use shift, alt and/or ctrl

[gloomy plinth]

I am a bit of a normy, but I do have buttons assigned for Alt and Shift.

Using Ctrl makes me nervous for whatever reason, and also there’s a point at which it’s too much for my brain.

I think it won’t be so bad once I digest the rules for Sepsis and also just get more practice with the spec. I would hurl ER to the moon if I could though - I don’t think the spec needs it for the gameplay to feel interesting enough.

[spice spire]

I only use shift for like 4-5 buttons at this time

I just added additional buttons to bars

[urban fern]

If your mouse has any side buttons you can set those buttons the modifiers, makes it way easier than actually hitting the buttons

like my 2 side buttons are ctrl+shift so I can do ctrl 1-5, shift 1-5 and ctrl+shift 1-5 pretty easily, that's like 20 buttons if you count the normal 1-5 and that's without rebinding any of the basic controls

[gloomy plinth]

Oh that's an interesting idea, because I've always shied away from using assigning specific things to the mouse buttons. A modifier press though is different.

This is my bars currently:

I have enough reach to hit shift-8, but not really any further out than that.

[grim tangle]

terrifying keybinds

[spice spire]

Try some of the letters around the easy to touch numbers

[runic hinge]

Look at mr big hands over here

[spice spire]

Q-E-R-T-F-G-X are all things I’ve added and normally use

I also use P but that’s the cursed bind

[runic hinge]

Show and tell keybinds in assa today?

[spice spire]

O no

I used to go all the way to = sign up top

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JGC0e/5751e78ed9.jpg

mount on q, shadowstep on 1

cant beat that

[spice spire]

My kick is on Q

Y r u this way

[marble hemlock]

because i can

[urban fern]

My step is on F, my kick is ctrl 1 lol

[spice spire]

My step is on m3 because I hate myself

[runic hinge]

Kick is e step is r

[winter vapor]

see the pin on this channel for sepsis

[sweet dawn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

My guy you need to start putting keybinds on the letters around wasd. I don't touch anything right of the 5tgb line, but I have everything bound to the left of it including, meaning tilde12345qertfgzxcvb

Like alt + 8 is not a bind that you can ever press

[gloomy plinth]

I realize I’ve never used F for what Blizz has it assigned to do.

[limber lion]

You just unbind everything around wasd and bind those to something else

I just added control modifiers to all the UI elements

[gloomy plinth]

Alt+8 involves me tucking my thumb under my palm, but I get there.

[main vessel]

Cev

[limber lion]

Sup

[main vessel]

How does it make you feel to know that I use = as a keybind

[limber lion]

I don't really care to be honest

[main vessel]

[limber lion]

You do you and whatever works for you

[cerulean walrus]

Ctrl+Backspace is the best keybind

[limber lion]

But not taking advantage of qerfgzxcv is criminal

I have a buddy who has his interrupt on shift 8

[balmy condor]

Demon hunter brain rot

[limber lion]

He's never cleared a heroic raid on his own

[gloomy plinth]

Huh. If I ditch ER and the follow-on talent for Nightstalker and Improved Ambush, it's only a 306 DPS loss.

[main vessel]

[grim tangle]

cev is so good he can solo heroic raids

[balmy condor]

Good luck playing nightstalker properly

[limber lion]

Yeh did heroic icc like 116 times for the mount

Keep reading

[urban fern]

Disregard

[gloomy plinth]

Is it more involved than using it for Garrote more or less passively?

[limber lion]

Lol

[urban fern]

I read that but like

I didn't register it for some reason

[limber lion]

When stuff like NS + Sepsis and NS + Imp Garrote + Exsang exists it's a bit caca

Jusy play ER, it's nothing crazy

[solemn oracle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gloomy plinth]

How does the sim play it?

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t

Nightstalker hasn’t worked all expansion, and at the start of the expac we were told it wouldn’t snapshot dots

And now it does

So we gotta find out what that means rotationally now

[oak sky]

They added it back?

[balmy condor]

Any logic it uses would be from the before times when it was 50% on 1 ability instead of 8%

[balmy condor]

Yeah

The easiest would probably be to never sepsis garrote if you have nightstalker garrote

But you could sepsis directly from stealth

[oak sky]

Sepsis and scuffed openers

Name a more iconic duo

[tacit otter]

sepsis garrote snd?

[balmy condor]

Bro idk

I just said there’s no ns sims because it’s all cursed

We don’t even fully understand how it works yet

[tacit otter]

was just wondering if i grasp the idea correctly^^ sounds scuffed hopefully its gone soon

[hollow vault]

@gaunt moat ok i have converted to luxthos wtf it's so sick

didn't like the layout in previous xpacs

so nice now though

[limber lion]

Just save yourself the headache.

[fallow canopy]

sounds like a back to SBS angle while the smart people figure it out (?

[limber lion]

Nah Sepsis is simple (not necessarily intuitive or fun (fun is subjective), but yeh) (also Whispyr has a really good, in-depth pin about it)

NS is just a bit random for now

I'm sure the big brains will come up with some super secret tech for it

[vestal wren]

ct from stealth

🧠

[royal lantern]

NS is eldritch knowledge

[cobalt hemlock]

mark for death value

[oak sky]

Not again

[spice spire]

NS snapshotting LOGIN

[gaunt moat]

Personally i've made many changes to his base WA
but overall it's very good

[oak sky]

Ill take it tbh

[spice spire]

You ain’t taking shit you filthy boomkin

[oak sky]

Meow

[spice spire]

Guy’s been doing group meowing in raid chat

Terrorists

[flat kiln]

So would NS snapshot SBS?

[limber lion]

It works the same way as it does in Shadowlands where the initial hit is buffed by the Nightstalker but the dot isn't.

Looks like it dynamically buffs the dot, meaning that if you go into stealth and the target has SBS applied on it already, it will increase the damage during the stealth but go back to normal after.

[flat kiln]

Ah. Interesting interaction

[dim jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[frigid pilot]

any1 got the tier piece per spec sheet

for all classes

[rocky ruin]

Is today again tuning day?

[steel ridge]

What makes you think that?

[versed mica]

Copium. It's one hell of a drug.

[sweet dawn]

How are you guys playing last boss of vortex pinnacle? I keep finding the group doesnt have enough add damage because it's hard for me to target swao

[keen spruce]

zone out and switch to sub

[sweet dawn]

Legit what I've been doing xD

[keen spruce]

that's a feelsbad assas boss

[vapid sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/11gSSwcfDcwNLumsiDPwH9

exsang simming 1% better than me

than spesis

[balmy condor]

I mean

yeah

[vapid sierra]

why? is it tier related

[balmy condor]

puzzlebox and bad gear

[vapid sierra]

bad gear lmao

whats bad about it?

im transitioning from outlawe

is it ilvl?

[balmy condor]

mostly ilvl yeah

dagger ilvl mainly

embellishments are the old ones

415's everywhere

missing sockets

[vapid sierra]

gotta craft boots and replace larait

how do i upgrade my dagger past 424?

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1101788562527096882/image.png?width=1621&height=615

[balmy condor]

m+, normal sark, heroic sark, mythic kazz, crafted

[dim jackal]

mythic raiding, geeeez

[balmy condor]

are the usual ones

[vapid sierra]

no like upgrade the craft

it isnt the same as last season where i can just run +16s or +11s and get the primal infusion thingy

[balmy condor]

if you want to upgrade your 424 crafted you spam 16's for aspect crests

60 fragments turns into 4 crests turns into the 447 upgrade item you give to crafters

and then it's just a recraft with a spark to make it season 2

oh

yours already is season 2

so yeah just farm 60 fragments and make an enchanted aspect crest

and recraft

[eager sorrel]

First boss drops a dagger for the puggers out there

[winter gale]

Should I spend my crest to upgrade normal dagger to 437?

[lapis osprey]

If your current main hand is lower level, probably

[winter gale]

2.1% upgrade on sim but I am not sure should I spend anything at this point

I cleared HC for the week too

[lapis osprey]

You'll get more crests

Worst case scenario you'll put it in offhand if you get an upgrade

[winter gale]

Yeah, Ill get new ones next week and this week I wont get item thats as good upgrade as this one 😄

Do I need to have crests in my bag? 😄

[lapis osprey]

Nah they're like profession materials I'm pretty sure

[winter gale]

Nope

I now needed to have them in my bag to upgrade

[lapis osprey]

I stand corrected

[winter gale]

Maybe it's just atm or my addons interfered

100k

[real notch]

Hey Whispyr, what’re your 2 go to trinks this tier?

[balmy condor]

beacon bomb

[lapis osprey]

The last pinned message is solely for s2 4set right?

[balmy condor]

no

[lapis osprey]

This is so much more complicated to learn than sub

oml

[balmy condor]

it's deadass just maintain dot and press things on cooldown

[lapis osprey]

Last I played was a couple expansions ago

Don't we pool anymore for shiv windows or something like that?

[balmy condor]

no

[royal lantern]

pooling in DF

lol

blizz gave all specs endless energy, pooling is a not a thing anymore 😄

[lapis osprey]

Idk I feel like I'm pressing thistle tea too much

[balmy condor]

are you pressing it and getting 100 energy out of it without overcapping

every time

[lapis osprey]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

then you're not pressing thistle tea too much

[lapis osprey]

so it's normal to run out of charges in ST

[balmy condor]

would be weird if you didn't tbh

just having charges of things

and not using them

[lapis osprey]

I'm guessing I don't need to care about my amp poison stacks either

[balmy condor]

yep

no point playing around it

also no point playing around envenom duration

[faint rock]

Any priority to use the omnitoken on tier pieces?

[lapis osprey]

I'd probably wait until I get 3 to grab the 4th

[oblique jackal]

Nah

wait it out

[faint rock]

i got 3 atm

[keen spruce]

unless you need the power rn use it for 4pice on tuesday after vault

[faint rock]

gotta use 1 cause is the hc one

got shoulders, last boss token and mastery omnitoken

[rancid spade]

sepsit > sbs on 2pc t30?

or like always now

sepsis*

[balmy condor]

always depending on your gear

mostly if you've dropped puzzle box

[eager solstice]

Anyone feel the spec a bit odd with such low haste? I’m at 9% and it just feels odd

[balmy condor]

sepsis is much better

[balmy condor]

the spec does not feel any different at 5% or 20% haste

I had 15% in vault and 7% now

and it's faster now

[eager solstice]

Hmm I don’t know why I felt it different in raid this week, also if you dont crit in a pull your dmg is doodoo

[balmy condor]

if you don't crit what?

[eager solstice]

In general but especially your envenom

[eager sorrel]

Your beacon ;)

[balmy condor]

beacon is noticeable yeah

envenom I'm unconvinced

[lapis osprey]

I'm a bit confused as to how I should use deathmark

After the first one in the opener

[balmy condor]

press it and forget it, then at some point vanish->garrote during it

and there should be a shiv in the middle somewhere

[lapis osprey]

So I need to have shiv for both sepsis and deathmark, but never cap charges?

[balmy condor]

yeah

you just always hold 1 of your shiv charges

and if you cast sepsis, you use it

and if you cast deathmark, you use it

and then you go back to holding 1 of your shiv charges

[lapis osprey]

For sepsis, I need to line it up so it's active for as much as of the dot as possible while still clipping the burst at then end

if I'm not mistaken

But how about deathmark? I don't understand how they interact with each other

[balmy condor]

any time during deathmark

[cunning urchin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[static glacier]

Venom rush is what changed

[balmy condor]

I’m aware

But like

Idk

Riding the haste train hoping it magically makes the spec feel better

Is more copium than the national reserve holds

[thorn fjord]

national reserve holds lawl

Got lucky and got a neck from the mole mini game thing

Was able to keep cowl and drop lariat

2% increase 🙂

[keen spruce]

i just made my 447 daggie

slimey's on tuesday

then lariat back in the bank

don't mind my gems i just had them laying around

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

I JUST HAD THEM LAYING AROUND

[balmy condor]

The gems are the best part of that neck

[keen spruce]

i was impatient

[static glacier]

ofc, haste only actually matters if it lets people cast x spells more in a specific window that extends it

[balmy condor]

“Equipment sets: assa, outlaw”
0 crit on the item

[static glacier]

stuff like extending dragonrage an extra time

[loud light]

typical haste mastery outlaw item

[keen spruce]

look i was downbad, no tier no bomb dispenser, no nothin

I needed to upgrade somethin

my outlaw set is just my assas set

with a 1h

[balmy condor]

Yikes

[static glacier]

you either have very high vers

[keen spruce]

i'm not sayin it's good

[static glacier]

or your ol set is sus

[keen spruce]

very scuffed outlaw

[thorn fjord]

Why not have sub as youre safety

your*

[keen spruce]

i've never really played sub. been meaning to go setup bars for it

and hit some target dummies for a few min

but am lazy

[static glacier]

imo it's simpler than sin or ol

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

i've heard

outlaw is hard to do really bad

of you just moosh buttons

still doin like 90-100k in scuffy pug 18s

[balmy condor]

A lot of people are having issues with sin this expac

[keen spruce]

seems like there's a lotta sin-unfriendly boss adds in m+

[balmy condor]

Which I don’t really get since it plays basically identical to all of shadowlands, minus flag timing jank

But it is what it is

[thorn fjord]

Our S1 opener was a bit strange

compared to the SL openers

imo

But this sepsis change is nice

Makes it feel a bit smoother

[keen spruce]

but do i exang before or after deathmark

[thorn fjord]

before 😛

[keen spruce]

[static glacier]

slow hands is a thing

[keen spruce]

yeah the piano fingers does wear out the hands after a few keys

[balmy condor]

Only cause exsang, if we played exsang during shadowlands it would’ve been basically the same opener

[thorn fjord]

I just hate the gar snd gar shit they brought back from bfa

not a fan

but thats preference.

[balmy condor]

There’s no functional difference between vendetta and Deathmark, and that’s the only thing that changed

Aside from that it’s the same spec but you gotta apply twice the poisons, and you’re playing two covenants

[warm void]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

atleast we're not running mfd and ct in ST lol

[static glacier]

I actually really like gar snd gar, feels like aoe sin opener

though it's normally moreso gar gar gar

[thorn fjord]

Yeah im not a fan... but i only sin in raid anyway so i get where you're coming from

[static glacier]

main reason is the 3cp consistenecy

[plain basin]

For m+ what poisons should I be using alongside amp poison?

[static glacier]

disliked when we had to mut in opener and pray it hit certain cps to get dots up

[static glacier]

deadly

on sang weeks the other specs can go wound, I think it's a serious dps loss for us though

[golden quail]

so with sepsis are we holding vanish till second DM?

[thorn fjord]

nah you use it during pand of your imp gar

[plain basin]

I gotcha is there a reason to go deadly over instant?

[thorn fjord]

and it'll line with your 2nd dm

[weak horizon]

Anyone know what happened to my bro infexious gaming?

[thorn fjord]

They got infected

[balmy condor]

It does the same instant damage but deadly also does dot damage

[balmy condor]

He has a job irl

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-wallet-empty-cashless-gif-16030892

[winged veldt]

Can I get some of these lol

[balmy condor]

Rogue is doing fine

[winged veldt]

I figured that but doesnt hurt to want more lol

[brazen zodiac]

;p

[winged veldt]

Going in to raid here in a min for fri, sat, sun raid

normal and most heroic should fall over

i hope lol

[idle inlet]

I read the pinned post about the sepsis opener but it doesnt say when to vanish im sure this has been answered already somewhere so sorry for asking

[versed mica]

Tier set make sin any more decent for m+?

[balmy condor]

About 2-3% better yes

[idle inlet]

lol thank you

[thorn fjord]

Beat me to it

[balmy condor]

Discord doesn’t let me increase the font size sadly

I had a disclaimer like that in a spreadsheet last season

[keen spruce]

"i read the pinned post"

[balmy condor]

And I legit increased the font size on it

By 1

[storm belfry]

Lmfao rogue tuning where

[balmy condor]

Every time someone asked

Until no one asked

We got to 37, with the rest of the sheet in size 12

[keen spruce]

copy the bold part to the top of the pin too

like 4 times

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t need tuning atm

[storm belfry]

[versed mica]

Question

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1105844033504432198/sepsismybeloved.gif

Why isn't this pinned yet

Cowards

[idle inlet]

can your sepis buff and blindside buff be consumed by the same ambush cast?

[somber sparrow]

yes

[idle inlet]

ewww

[somber sparrow]

I find it a little annoying if blindside procs right before sepsis buffs

[idle inlet]

no kidding

[thorn fjord]

That’s janky lol

[somber sparrow]

only workaround I found is to use the sepsis proc for the garrote

and then use a free ambush

[balmy condor]

That’s a known bug btw

[somber sparrow]

what it SHOULD do is let you use ambush from sepsis and then not consume blindside

[fallen raven]

is the uldaman trinket annoying to play with in practice? just got it and it sims well in dslice but seems like it could be p cringe

[somber sparrow]

does that add a buff and then lose a buff, is that the one

[fallen raven]

nah it drops some aoes on the ground that damage both you and enemies

they seem pretty small

[balmy condor]

It’s not great

[haughty flicker]

It’s fucking cancer

Especially on the bosses with small hit boxes

Good luck hitting harlan with all of them

[versed mica]

To increase your DPS you gotta get hit by it bro it increases the damage bro, trust me

[near valley]

Now a fixed one lmao

[vapid sierra]

do i potion dm or dm potion

does it matter?

[versed mica]

#outlaw message

Lmaoo

[cyan wharf]

I always knew sepsis would make a come back eventually

[versed mica]

Sepsis just feels like a good sin ability

[spice spire]

It’s no sbs

[versed mica]

Getting more empowered garrotes is fun

Get ya exang loving ass out my face

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

I’m apathetic to Exsang

[kindred carbon]

Does this spec have energy problems or am I just bad?

[cyan wharf]

I've been wondering since launch of DF why it was never interacting properly with our Mastery list/ empowered garrotes, glad it finally came full circle

[vapid sierra]

is exsang on gcd

[mint kindle]

If I'm playing all specs and doing high raid/m+, is a dagger a safe craft?

[vapid sierra]

yes

good for sub and sin

[mint kindle]

Alright ty! 🙂

[vapid sierra]

outlaw likes double tuskarr irrc

but a dagger offhand isnt bad till you get those

[mint kindle]

I'll just sim it

[versed mica]

A tuskarr in one hand and a tuskarr in the left

[fallen raven]

yeah ok that sounds miserable

[versed mica]

[fallen raven]

reminds me of that tol dagor trinket from bfa

[versed mica]

Tol dagor trink was way worse trust me

[kindred carbon]

Oh also im kind of a noob and I got an enhanced wyrms shadowflame crest..... what should I be crafting with it?

Idk how the crafting system really works but someone said they could craft me something with it I just dont wanna waste it on something bad

[balmy condor]

It has moments without energy, but you’re also bad

[kindred carbon]

Thats fair

[balmy condor]

Dagger, toxic or slimy boots depending on what sounds cooler to you, and then a toxic patch probably on life-bound bracers

Generally in that order

Dagger/boots can flip order if you get a good dagger from somewhere else

[kindred carbon]

Whats the name of the boots specifically?

and are the boots good on the other specs too?

[sweet dawn]

Rogue saved?!

[versed mica]

Saved in my bookmarks to main later more like

[balmy condor]

Yes, and it’s uh, toxic thorn, and slimy expulsion

[ebon temple]

they've been saying they've been patching sub bugs too

[kindred carbon]

thank you

[wet tusk]

i got a quick question from my raid lead for loot distrbution, where does assassination (and rogue in general) stand for prio for tier set?

[balmy condor]

Very low

[wet tusk]

ty

[balmy condor]

Our tier is basically just ilvl increase + some extra sprinkles

[midnight mist]

dw outlaw 4set isnt better

[kindred carbon]

Does the slime patch remove the thing where it reduces you stat? Think id rather lose stamina than haste

[balmy condor]

Don’t you guys change builds though

[midnight mist]

apparently not

[balmy condor]

No, it still reduces your haste. Toxic doesn’t do as much direct damage though because the heal proc will lower the damage procs that happen

So it ends up being equal damage

[kindred carbon]

I think reducing haste if I play sub too maybe isnt a good idea but again im a noob

[vapid sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

Sub hates haste though

It’s by far their worst stat

[kindred carbon]

See theres the noob

in me

[balmy condor]

The only spec concerned about the haste reduction is Assassination

And the concern is “oh, aight then”

[kindred carbon]

ok sweet

[versed canopy]

any changes in talent picks with the new season?

[storm belfry]

Not really

[balmy condor]

Sepsis exists

But that’s a hotfix not related to any tier

Dtb+ap in various combos is doing quite well

[turbid heath]

Anyone know why my talent tree is looking like this? I've verified files and also have 0 add-ons installed?

😭

[balmy condor]

I would just clean install the game at that point

[vale sky]

Can try to scan your game for repairs. Can take a while if you don't have a quick drive though.

[balmy condor]

He said he already verified

[wary ice]

Have you angered any witches or demons lately?

[placid kraken]

Does the rank of Toxified Armor Patch matter?

[somber fractal]

i think just for crafting skill but dont quote me

[gaunt moat]

Correct, it's only how much it adds to the difficulty of crafting

[weak horizon]

are these stepsis bugfixes new?

[near valley]

Yes

[minor valve]

Reset your UI. Follow directions here. https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/7549

I 100% guarantee you that it will work

[gusty mirage]

rank affects the recipe difficulty only

which at this point shouldn't be an issue for any LWer

[brazen zodiac]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[turbid heath]

Guess our opener changes with sepsis?

[young briar]

Anyone got a sepsis weakaura

just showing the duration of it

[gaunt moat]

I've made this:
https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[stiff frost]

anyone who has Dragonfire trinket are you all macroing it to anything or are you all just hitting it on its own

[turbid heath]

What stealth ability do you guys use when popping sepsis

[regal sable]

sepsis

[young briar]

Depends but i normally garotte

cus it gets the benefits from stealth

[ember mural]

fellas i'd like to introduce you to the newest outlaw rogue on the street

[young briar]

https://wago.io/SvTi9ovAH

What do you guys think

[balmy condor]

@spice spire he’s for the streets fr

[spice spire]

Nah

I’d rather die

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/oomfie-twitter-mya-birdy-moots-gif-21657286

[spice spire]

Mf makes me loot him weapons

Won’t take them

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ember mural]

blizz cock blocking

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[drifting cloud]

whats up

[rocky ruin]

@gusty mirage do we use garrote again after sepsis run out?

[gusty mirage]

in opener

no

if you want in between deathmark/vanish go for it

[shut owl]

sepsis opener is so weird. can't wait to lose my puzzlebox to take some confusion out of it XD

[gusty mirage]

yeah removing box makes it significantly smoother

[balmy condor]

Losing box also makes sepsis viable in the first place

[shut owl]

I just like sepsis more than exsang :P. it's real nice getting empowered garrotes coming out of the void and such on sark

[rocky ruin]

yea i mean we going sepsis, garrote + shiv and after the 10sec are we using garrote again to extend the sepsis garrote

[gusty mirage]

yeah I've been doing that

[turbid heath]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[honest path]

Hey folks,
I’m struggling a bit in M+. Question about the rota: up to how many targets we should use fan of knives? And on how many targets zu try to maintain garrotte when IC is not up?

[gaunt moat]

3+ targets for FoK
You can get up to 3 free garrotes if IC is on CD

[winter gale]

Most of the tanks are not using Icon atm?

Or healers*

[balmy condor]

Our tanks had to be convinced to run icon in season 1

I don’t think we can convince them to run it now

[winter gale]

I have a small sim upgrade while using it but with all 3 roles

I will drop it for bomb+torch

[lucid mirage]

@balmy condor I know you have a lot going on, but I would love a visual rotation like the FAQ ones for sepsis. I have aphantasia so just reading it is super hard

[balmy condor]

Working on it, I might make a shitty ms paint one while I wait for theorycrafting to settle in and we get the fancy ones

[lucid mirage]

Don't do that just for me, but thanks for the hard work.

[balmy condor]

It ain’t just you dw

I get 70-80 DM’s a day

There’s plenty of people asking for similar things

[lucid mirage]

Any envy I had, gone instantly. Allow me to go ahead an leave you alone

[winter gale]

Simming 100.5k, I broke the barrier ! 😄

I got bomb+dagger from full normal and 0 loot from 8/9 HC

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

You get used to it

[lucid mirage]

If you are ever in ohio (not that you ever should be) ill treat you to dinner

[balmy condor]

A nice traditional Ohio dinner

Of chemical spills and corn

[winter gale]

Is crit/mastery BiS for both m+ and raiding gear?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Well

It’s a bit less clear in single target

Crit is a clear winner

But in single target haste/mastery/vers all kinda fight each other

In m+ mastery is a winner over vers and haste is clearly worse

But single target isn’t the worst thing because boss damage in keys right

So you can sorta argue a lot about it

Crit/mastery is just overall the safest option

[honest path]

Just run a sim on diff gearsets... so Slimy boots are > Flaring Cowl + Seal for me in all regards (even without Shadowflame enchant)? Simulations were just overtuned for thorns, isn't it?

That would mean, i can safely drop flaring cowl + my low ilvl seal as soon as i have an good replacement.

[balmy condor]

Idk what you mean by simulations were overtuned for thorns

But if you got a trash level seal, you can replace cowl earlier

That is correct

The better the seal, the longer you have to hold onto it

[honest path]

Okay, nice. Thanks!

[ornate jetty]

how many embellishments can we have?

[balmy condor]

2

[ornate jetty]

thank you! so it's: (in no particular order)

1: slimy expulsion boots + toxified armor patch
2: primal molten shortblade + _____?

[royal lantern]

made the weapob first

cus it was over 5k dps

[ornate jetty]

yup yup! what ideal embellishment do we use with the weap?

[keen spruce]

flavor pocket

slimey boots are 1

toxic patch is 2

[winter gale]

421 Icon with only DPS setup simming BiS for M+ for my current gear?

Is bomb dispenser good for m+?

[ornate jetty]

what's the next competitive option other than flavor pocket?

[keen spruce]

well you can't have 3 embelishments

so there kind of isn't one

[ornate jetty]

ohhh i see, so slimy boots already count as 1 embellishment even though its an item

sorry just came back to the game. still familiarizing myself with the systems and all

[keen spruce]

yeah there's a few items that count as an embelishment slot

so many systems

they're pretty ez once you get used to them

[royal lantern]

all crafted items with a effect are an embelishmemt

only exception is flavor pocket because it doesnt do anything

[steel ridge]

And engi rezz

[pseudo hamlet]

Morning peeps

Just wanted to brag out that I've got 424 Harlan Dice trinket and it Sims 0,4% higher than Puzzle Box, no more casting! 😄

[ornate jetty]

how far is exsanguinate vs. master assassin for M+ DTB-IC build?

[subtle tundra]

close before 4pc

[royal lantern]

not far

[subtle tundra]

exsang is better after 4pc

[gaunt moat]

But keep in mind what exsang gives you - more priority target damage.

[pulsar ether]

Does assa rogue feel fluent to play in M+?

Or are you waiting for energy

[balmy condor]

in aoe you're drowing, in single target you're starving

[royal lantern]

filler trinket until raid drops achieved

[dusty trellis]

dice is good ?

[royal lantern]

until raid drops, yeha

[dusty trellis]

how much uptime per m+

?

[royal lantern]

none of the dungeon trinkets is really the best avaible, you want bomb+beacon in the end

but until those drops, its servicable

[keen spruce]

harlan's always pretty okay

passive stats

[indigo ginkgo]

so are this the buffs we need it ?
Rogue
Fixed an issue that caused Sepsis Sepsis’ buff that enables use of a Stealth skill to be cancelled by Deathmark Deathmark when copying Garrote Garrote.
Fixed an issue that caused Sepsis Sepsis’ buff that enables use of a Stealth skill to be cancelled by Ambush Ambush when a Blindside Blindside proc was available.
(Sarcasm)

[balmy condor]

I have no idea what you're trying to say

[indigo ginkgo]

that saued early that they gone tuned do rogue again

say

[balmy condor]

they never said that

[verbal mantle]

[balmy condor]

they said rogue is getting attention in 10.1.5

for talent changes

[indigo ginkgo]

ohhh

[balmy condor]

which is the next patch

in like

2-3 months

[indigo ginkgo]

so if we use a sepsis garrote under death mark , it didnt copy the buff ?

was that the bug ?

[balmy condor]

the bug is exactly what it says

if you had the sepsis buff

[native belfry]

Nice, I can come back to the game at this time and go straight to mythic prog

[balmy condor]

it got cancelled when deathmark copied garrote

[eternal vortex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[jade abyss]

So we can fuck exsang now and play sepsis?

[balmy condor]

If you’re okay with how it sims for you sure

[jade abyss]

Im a trash rogue so it is fine when i play the lower one

[sullen hollow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ocean wolf]

is there a definitive answer to what my first spark-craft should be? Dagger? Boots? Wrists?

[pseudo hamlet]

Wouldn't say that there are actually definitive answers for such questions

Dagger is nice because of MH dmg(huge gains) - awesome for prog.
Boots are the best embellishment.

[dark token]

Rip sin hotfixes have to wait a few months now

[normal mist]

Go sleep my man 😛

[visual sundial]

Hi does any1 have a YT for starter assass, i'm used to playing outlaw

Not good w like text stuff :p

[balmy condor]

YouTube content is a waste of time to create so you won’t find much

[jade abyss]

You have pictures for openers :)

[visual sundial]

Yeah true ty,

[subtle tundra]

watch some streams

like uh

hmhmmmh...

.uhhhhhhmmmmmmm....

those

[balmy condor]

And those are barely worth it as well honestly. Takes like a week to make them, and now we gotta make new ones for sepsis, and have the old ones still, and do it for both exsang and non exsang

I’ve thought about how to do visual content in a way that’s quick and easy

But the quality isn’t good enough

Idk

[subtle tundra]

do the opener with the addon that tracks gcds

and just put a gif with it

i swear someone did that

[jade abyss]

We love you for your effort

[vestal wren]

#subtlety-faq message

[subtle tundra]

YEA THAT GUY

i knew it

(i dont read faqs)

(i should, i started playing flag in m+)

[vestal wren]

i need to update openers for flag/tier, still think how to do it

without having like 4 or 5 openers

[subtle tundra]

i pres rrandom

button

[vestal wren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-laptop-fast-homework-apple-gif-5315897

^ leaked irl footage of varas playing

[balmy condor]

Ty

[jade abyss]

Post cast sequence macros for openers

[vestal wren]

pongo cat

[balmy condor]

It ain’t easy trying to give options for 15 builds

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

The better balanced the tree becomes

The more unwieldy all the combos become

[jade abyss]

Me playing starcraft haha

[vestal wren]

don't remind me that rotten exists

[keen spruce]

toxic patch doesn't do anything by itself right?

like there's no point in slapping it on before getting slimeys?

[subtle tundra]

he just like me fr

also, i copied the m+ build and it had no tricks

[royal lantern]

yep

[subtle tundra]

wtf fuu

[vestal wren]

oh, moment

[subtle tundra]

i think? it was from spreadsheet

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[vestal wren]

yes, you are right

[subtle tundra]

yes i did blame you last night

[vestal wren]

will change, better defaults = good

[royal lantern]

stealth speed

so you can run faster into the next pack and engage without tricks

[subtle tundra]

yea tbh it has been a problem for me running between packs

LOL

i cant shadowstrike friendlies

:((

[vestal wren]

fixed

[subtle tundra]

can i get acro without ruining myself?

[vestal wren]

yes

guess i can make a acro build too on the sheet

[subtle tundra]

weeeee

i think its worth it

i've been missing kicks

cause out of range

[vestal wren]

yes

its also almost no dps change

but be careful

-0.09% dps loss

[subtle tundra]

🫡

still didnt fix sec tech, right?

[vestal wren]

realz is aware of the bug

don't think its fixed

[subtle tundra]

cool, thanks

[royal lantern]

can imagine that its an absolute horror to fix

[vestal wren]

just tested on a dummy, not fixed

[subtle tundra]

awesome!

[lapis osprey]

Quick question, as I haven't seen it mentionned anywhere

Outlaw still is running on eranog/cowl shenanigans

is it a thing for assa as well? (in ST more precisely)

[proper tapir]

Plenty of folks are still running it, if you want to swith off of it just put the other combo into a sim and see what's better. Eventually we'll probably start going slime boots / patch

[lapis osprey]

Yeah but I heard that people would be dropping cowl when they get shadowflame enchant/bomb dispenser

I'm just looking to know if I should bother keeping my eranog ring/farming for the mythic one

[proper tapir]

great, so you know what combo you want to sim already!

[lapis osprey]

I'm unsure how to sim items I don't have already

[proper tapir]

one of the raidbot tabs is "Gear compare"

[lapis osprey]

I'll go

kinda mess around with it

[vestal wren]

yes

but not cowl

[lapis osprey]

And we get the fire procs from the enchant?

[vestal wren]

bomb dispenser / 1x shadowflame enchant

[lapis osprey]

Alright

Appreciate the info

[vestal wren]

but sub/assassination can skip it

[lapis osprey]

Is heroic ring much behind mythic/current rings? I already have it so I might as well just go for that

[vestal wren]

0.4% so no

again its exclusively for outlaw, assassination and sub both can drop it

also for m+ it is not that good

[lapis osprey]

I play outlaw in m+ and multi target fights

[vestal wren]

probably fine without the ring on multi target/m+

[lapis osprey]

Oh so even for outlaw it falls behind on m+?

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

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