assassination

[subtle stream]

Welcome to Imp Possible.

[young panther]

Interessed by the answer yes but my guess is yes need to be confirmed

And how do you use vanish then at 2 min for next lethal Mark

[thick briar]

How good is assass vs sub these days? Is one spec clearly better than the other?

[winter gale]

How/when do we use Bomb Dispenser?

Bomb+Torch atm is my duo

[balmy condor]

Imp garrote yes, shrouded no

[lean fossil]

on pull, id use bomb twice in the time my death mark was running, torch as soon as that was done and then full send bomb when up or torch when up

[balmy condor]

It’s still 1 cp

[cursive frost]

Maybe this is the exsang rework incoming

[lean fossil]

rework.... delete... same thing right?? 🙂

[cursive frost]

Delete is the ultimate rework

Put KB there

[drowsy parcel]

delete dtb

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kPcgLJaEo9vyDTgn6F2KYr

[sweet dawn]

"We noticed rogues were playing the other 2 specs more than assassination, so we decided to delete the entire spec"

[frigid pilot]

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

nice

[haughty flicker]

only 3 months away dw

[frigid pilot]

what r the odds rogues get nerfed

[worn path]

Maybe we won’t depend on external damage sources to keep up one day 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I like the positivity

but that has not been the case ever

[frigid pilot]

my enhance in my tbc guild fucked up his wf totem rotation costing me many parses 🙂

been like this for rogue since forever

either borrowed power or babysitting from other specs

[hallow gyro]

@balmy condor are you going to update the #assassination-faq for S2 ? (I know it's a lot of work)

[balmy condor]

Of course

[true basalt]

Ah they forgot to mention its only sub and outlaw

Sin rogue is a myth

[frigid pilot]

[true basalt]

Who tf supports myths besides lunatics

[frigid pilot]

nah they buffing sin

u know why?

i just spent a fortune respeccing everything to crit vers

[viscid spear]

"to balance out the number of specs across all classes, we are removing Assassination

[gusty mirage]

ty for your sacrifice

[frigid pilot]

[haughty flicker]

its ok you have plenty of time before 10.1.5 to make that money back

we'll be good for farm then get nerfed for 10.2

[frigid pilot]

got the .3% mount from normal last boss cus i spent 2 weeks pushing glad

thats how it works

now everytime im torn which 1 to hop on

[rain oyster]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[steel spade]

anyone having trouble getting bonespike to track on plater? I tried adding it to additional debuffs and buffs to track but no luck

[frigid pilot]

pretty sure jundies plater has it

[steel spade]

Thanks I'll try that out I've been using cev's

[gusty mirage]

I think cev has his recolor if bonespike is active

crazy finnish bastard

[steel spade]

you're right

its green that's sneaky

I kinda hate it

[gusty mirage]

I think whispyr's uses the icon

I'm not 100% positive though

[steel spade]

I've been using cev's for a long time if I could just fix that one thing I'd be happy

fixed it!

it was a script

[runic hinge]

I love cevs plater. Couldn’t recommend it enough

[shy grove]

I haven't done ass+ since bfa and I am having trouble feeling like I'm doing the right things when carnage is on cd in dungeons

That and getting restealths :/

[cunning nest]

Y'all can tell me what you like

I have more blidnside procs since the patch

don't tell devs pls, but it's insane

[frigid pilot]

its true

i had 3 in a row

often

never had that b4

[cunning nest]

yeah dude

in raid like 6-7 times, even ahrd to count

was in execute, but still

yesterday hc 6 kills, now 7 nhc (and going): I notice it in every single fight man

[spice spire]

The one I noticed the most was experiment

Legit I triple checked spell ID info, it has to be something weird with the health change

[cunning nest]

hmm interesting theory

but would effect all execute classes, no?

[royal lantern]

yeha

like

i litearlly had 6 back to back blindsides on PULL

and it happend 3x in the same raid

im getting so much more blindside procs, something is weird lol

[cunning nest]

it's so fun xD

but I overcap energy alot more often

A part of me hoped someone would argue xD

[frigid pilot]

blizz slippin sin rogues a lil buggy bug to helpem out

😉

blindside 90%

[cunning nest]

I mean

even if it's 30%/50%

you would notice that alot

[limber lion]

Yeh, the debuff icon is blacklisted and the script turns the bar green. Was pretty useful with Deathspike but not super duper important without it honestly

Bring back Deathspike :(

[tacit otter]

sbs legendary

[loud gull]

what ST talents do we run on assa ?

[somber sparrow]

"Class Talent Updates
More class balance and tuning is coming for mages, rogues, Holy Paladins, and more."

[loud gull]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[somber sparrow]

mages and rogues are not proper nouns but Holy Paladin is

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/sharkboy-and-lavagirl-tobor-im-free-freedom-i-am-free-gif-26186361

[green juniper]

nerf inc

because we do good st early

[spice spire]

Lil bro ain’t seen a UHDK

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[steel ridge]

Yeah saw that, curious

[royal lantern]

nightstalker removed and replaced

cus they cant fix it

[green juniper]

I swear I see boe on my rashok trash but mobs disappear before I click it

hope it will come via mail

[subtle tundra]

shouldnt we get ptr notes

soon

[balmy condor]

Schizo posting

[oak sky]

Could be next week bro

[spice spire]

New patch need more notes for rogue

[subtle tundra]

i saw somewhere it said ptr comes out today

so it should be ptr notes too

mathematically speaking

[oak sky]

Oh is it really out todau

[gloomy plinth]

I have a new person question. When you say “Sepsis -> Garrote, with Shiv,” does that mean that I cast Shiv before hitting Sepsis into Garrote?

[oak sky]

I didnt see that my bad folyr

[main vessel]

it's likely it's late today

[subtle tundra]

its ipetmypet now

[oak sky]

My bad ipetmycock

[spice spire]

Wanna make sure that shiv is active for the sepsis boom at the end

[subtle tundra]

acceptable name

[frigid kestrel]

That’s what I took it as, since it was always the rule that shiv makes sepsis hit harder

[oak sky]

Thought it only said ptr soon

[tacit otter]

do we just use the 2nd sepsis proc in opener for garrote or ambush?:)

[gloomy plinth]

Is shiv’s duration long enough to cover all of a sepsis?

[subtle tundra]

if you use 1 gcd after sepsis yes

[spice spire]

Ambush if you have the vanish garrote rolling. If you don’t for some reason garrote

[subtle tundra]

thats why it says sepsis garrote

[spice spire]

What varas said

[subtle tundra]

that guy varas kinda smart

[spice spire]

He has his moments

He’s also dumb af.
He just like me ong

Except good

[subtle tundra]

i like that you can restealth during the forgotten experiments

[tacit otter]

i think you can delay the use of the 2nd proc to pandemic your first garrote in opener, no?

[subtle tundra]

feels good

[viscid spear]

[subtle tundra]

you vanish

so you ambush

[gusty mirage]

quake and whispyr called me crazy

[spice spire]

Yeah you guys are way over thinking this one.

[spice spire]

Listen man

I see it

Now I’m crazy too

[gloomy plinth]

Is it possible to maintain 100% uptime on stealth garrote in a pure ST fight?

[tacit otter]

ye that was what i was getting from "vanish as usual in opener", thanks for clarifying:)

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

No

Unless that fight is like

30s

[gloomy plinth]

I’m new at this, crossing over from sub for ST fights because sin simmed 5k DPS higher for me. :-/

[limber lion]

based

[spice spire]

Couldn’t find the right shtick to equate it to Cev crossing from sub to sin in 9.0

[subtle tundra]

i swear they buffed blindside

in some notes

[spice spire]

In leaked notes yeah

[balmy condor]

Mandela effect on god

[spice spire]

But it didn’t make it live

But man I’m telling you

7 in a row

Something happened

[limber lion]

The beginning of Shadowlands was a dark time.

[spice spire]

Man was ahead of the times

[subtle tundra]

oh yea there

[oak sky]

Idk if you check your overall %s in logs...

[limber lion]

Played Assa all of Legion and all of BFA

[spice spire]

He saw the light early

[limber lion]

only to start with Sub in Shadowlands

Sad times

[subtle tundra]

probably they forgot to remove the blindside buff

[gusty mirage]

I told you man

[oak sky]

Its a new talent

[gusty mirage]

quiet boomkin

[oak sky]

Increases ambush proc chance each time you ambush

[royal lantern]

outlaw moment

green outlaw time?

[oak sky]

When the 10.1.5 changes are good ill be back immediately

[limber lion]

It should be reflected in the sims as well afaik because the data should be pulled from the game automatically.

Just compare sims from now to before the buffs happened

[gusty mirage]

problem is the spell data itself is unchanged

[limber lion]

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

so I figured I was just smoking crack

[limber lion]

Which would mean that it's not buffed

[subtle tundra]

idk i didnt notice anything

[limber lion]

Because where else would the effect come from

[spice spire]

Yeah it would. And I’ve Quinta checked

[gusty mirage]

could be a server side script

[spice spire]

But something is up

[gusty mirage]

they've relegated a lot of stuff to server side scripting

[spice spire]

For sure

[limber lion]

Ah fair enough

[spice spire]

Legit never have seen bs procs go crazy

Like this

[limber lion]

No clue how stuff works nowadays

[gusty mirage]

but it could also be something fucky on their end with the HP change

its okay

neither does blizzard

[spice spire]

In theory

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

You should be correct

[gusty mirage]

like our tier set stuff

[spice spire]

Like that’s how it should work “nothing showing, nothing changed”

[gusty mirage]

is all entirely scripted

vs before just being in the spell data

[spice spire]

But something feels diff

[gusty mirage]

for whatever fucking reason

so koji had to manually add all our tier sets

[frigid kestrel]

I thought I was imagining things and decided never to say anything on the bs procs I’ve been getting

[gusty mirage]

thing is

it would've made the patch notes

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

or at least one would think

even if it was entirely scripted server side

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

I chalk it up in part to placebo and in part to something with the HP changes

[subtle tundra]

placebo is NOT real

its NOT

stop inventing shit

[gusty mirage]

like the word?

or the effect?

[subtle tundra]

the effect

its not real

placebo is not real

[gusty mirage]

well duh

that's what a placebo effect is

you're imagining it

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/math-910-vine-1984-whats910-gif-22947388

[viscid spear]

Berenstein Bears, my dood

[gusty mirage]

that's the mandela effect

[spice spire]

Stain

[viscid spear]

Isn't he in jail?

[limber lion]

Yeh just looking at Ambush numbers in the logs doesn't look like there's anything there

[wide ridge]

rogue 10.1.5 changes are for sure baseline kingsbane

[royal lantern]

no no

new capstone

echoing K N I F E S

[subtle tundra]

I WILL

DO YOU

!!!

[royal lantern]

CUM

[subtle tundra]

STOP

[spice spire]

Hate you

[wide ridge]

echoing knives stacking in bfa

[viscid spear]

I'm hoping they move Glacial Spike up and make a new cap

[royal lantern]

that was echoing blades

[spice spire]

Wrong disc brubby

[royal lantern]

echoing knives is the cool new version

with 20%more echoing

[wide ridge]

o, was it?

[hollow vault]

1st pull td with divers folly and 3x eb

[gusty mirage]

do me

you won't

[spice spire]

Mf just making his life goal to make the ai as stupid as humanly possible

[subtle tundra]

LALLALALALALA

[spice spire]

Holy

[limber lion]

Echoing Blades legit the worst spec Azerite trait in the game

Come at me

just promotes super degen gameplay

Nty

[balmy condor]

Intelligence is artificial buddur checkmate

[gusty mirage]

last time we had any real aoe though, unfortunately

[hollow vault]

degen gang gang

[limber lion]

People like the numbers

And accompany the numbers with feel-good

but that shit didn't feel good

[gusty mirage]

it sure didn't

[limber lion]

You ignored all rules entirely and just spam fok

[gusty mirage]

the sound of the proc though

was

[spice spire]

Isn’t degen gameplay your thing cev? Honestly surprised you’re a disliker

[limber lion]

that's truu

[gusty mirage]

but besides that

[subtle tundra]

also the effect

[gusty mirage]

ehhh

[spice spire]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

it looked COOL

[limber lion]

Huh

[subtle tundra]

af

[spice spire]

0 skill degen gameplay

[gusty mirage]

he's racist against finnish people

[spice spire]

You’re a snapshotting enjoyer

[limber lion]

Degen gameplay as in literally pressing one button over and over and over and over and over

[spice spire]

Yeah

I didn’t play during bfa until the end

Didn’t do keys so never did eb

[limber lion]

Not minmaxing the spec to the max

[spice spire]

You’re a skill expression enjoyer

[limber lion]

Also snapshotting and whatnot is just an extension of Assassination gameplay and dots and whatnot

[spice spire]

Not a spam 1 button enjoyer, it tracks

[limber lion]

EB is just spamming one button

But yeh

Shrouded Suffocation kinda based, still kinda bad honestly

EB the worst

[hollow vault]

loved the 3x eb gamers on carapace lmfao

[royal lantern]

ignoring combo points as a resource and just spam FoK was peak gameplay

[balmy condor]

Replace EB with dtb, replace spam fok with spam envenom

[wide ridge]

nzoth patch in bfa, having like 300%+ haste when you lusted

[balmy condor]

Welcome to 2023

We’re in hell

[hollow vault]

those exsangs with clockwork felt so GOOD

[limber lion]

SS was fun because of damage and cp, but it kinda killed all damage potential outside of those 3 garrotes. Either you get stealth garrotes or do 90% less damage

[spice spire]

Stop

[limber lion]

DTB needs to go

[hollow vault]

bring back corruption

[runic hinge]

Yeah. We need KB back

[near valley]

had me doubting myself there for a sec ngl

almost believed

[balmy condor]

2.5 * 2 is 5

So 22.5 is 55

So 225 is 550

What is there to doubt

[near valley]

math checks out

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

50/2 isn’t 22

[balmy condor]

Never said it was

[spice spire]

22.5*2 is 45 tho

[near valley]

1+1 = Window

[spice spire]

It’s like the 2=1 or whatever paradigm that checks out until you realize you can’t divide by 0

[near valley]

[stoic bobcat]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn adder]

how come every time i sim for enchants and gems it tells me different ones

ima pull my hair out

[spice spire]

Probably within margin

[balmy condor]

Link the sim

[jovial adder]

Does anyone happen to know the name of the voice assist wa for M+ that works with bigwigs?

[balmy condor]

And if it’s highlighted sidegrades

I’ll tickle your balls

[spice spire]

Yo lemme send a sim rq

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-gif-22045792

[gusty mirage]

why does he get rewarded

wtf

[sturdy valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[thorn adder]

becasue im giving him a double shot of vodka

[spice spire]

That mf gonna send some wild shit later then

[gusty mirage]

that's 2 more shots than he usually needs to get drunk

[spice spire]

Diet Pepsi inc

[thorn adder]

long story short the top 125 combos were within 80 dps of each other 🙂

[balmy condor]

Do not read my DM’s to snow

They are satire

I am not serious when I say words

[spice spire]

HUH

[storm belfry]

ominous looking good for us?

[spice spire]

It’s looking okay

Not amazing, but it’s third best in raid given everything else is met

[thorn fjord]

Made the boots boyz lol

[spice spire]

Nice

[thorn fjord]

Was a decent increase while using a 411 neck I got from a heroic boss doing the weekly dungeon quest 🤣

Now i gotta get a real neck

[lunar lantern]

how is assa 2p2p?

[gloomy plinth]

How big a DPS loss would it be to take TTB instead of Blindside? 😬

[balmy condor]

It’s like assa 4pc but slightly better or slightly worse depending on which 4pc

[balmy condor]

Sim it, gonna be a fair amount probably

[gloomy plinth]

TTB = Terribly, terribly bad?

[balmy condor]

In single target yeah

In dungeons you can argue yourself into taking it if you’re schizophrenic enough

[jolly grotto]

gotta update the wowhead Whisp

[balmy condor]

yeh

[royal lantern]

i tried that 30min ago

didnt went well

🙂

[odd cargo]

Just proc cheat death 🙃

[balmy condor]

I wanted to test all the stuff

but heroic is such a meme

that we didn't even get half the mechanics

or they were over so quick

that I just didn't have time

[royal lantern]

i did

but went full sprint into the 2nd bomb

[jolly grotto]

same

[royal lantern]

cus it was next to eachother

🙂

[eager solstice]

Ct not good on st with 2p?

[balmy condor]

no

[eager solstice]

Thanks bud

[royal lantern]

that boss is just very light with mechanics

traps

bombs that the tank soaks

golems every 3years

the end

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor dont worry I'm reviving book of shadows

[balmy condor]

yeah sure you are bud

go back to doing splits bozo

[gusty mirage]

jealousy is ugly on you king

[thorn fjord]

What you guys think? Go with the top gear or keep lariat and use tier helm? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wrVEZux1yTxaDvW8dWe3gn

[balmy condor]

keep the lariat and the resources and the stam

[thorn fjord]

Thats what i was thinking... then just use Shadowflame on offhand or put em on both?

[umbral beacon]

Currently in my first ever raid as rogue. Having the usual problems of learning a new spec class which I can work with, however I am finding myself very energy starved a lot of the fight. Any tips for this or what I might be doing wrong that could cause me to be enery starved?

[sweet dawn]

That's just how it be

[umbral beacon]

Tbh, that's the answer I was hoping for

Better than "you are doing literally everything wrong"

[frigid pilot]

everyday waking up knowing that exsang is destroyed

https://tenor.com/view/hello-sunshine-goodmorning-love-gif-24282730

https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-man-nicolas-cage-gif-5444501

[cinder thicket]

any chance you would link your WA ?

[balmy condor]

it's just afenar

[cinder thicket]

kk 😮 looks so clean

[hushed flower]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn adder]

my cheat was insta proced lmfao

[frigid pilot]

afenar or modified afenar 👀

[thorn fjord]

Looks like regular afenar

[balmy condor]

it's a bit modified

but not much

[frigid pilot]

any1 got a good skin for the empowered combos

[thorn fjord]

Just moved icons around?

[frigid pilot]

its so shit in default afenar

[balmy condor]

deleted EP

idk

probably deleted other stuff too

all these WA packs

actually just track 35 useless things

because they don't actually play rogue

and just see buff track buff

[frigid pilot]

shots fired

[thorn adder]

need a whispyr WA pack asap

[balmy condor]

I used to make one

[jolly grotto]

I tested to see if i could Evasion it and procced cheat instead

[balmy condor]

but it's a lot of work

[desert pasture]

it's very tru, that's why started making my own

[tacit otter]

play seli's and youre getting r1 100%

[desert pasture]

ye it's tiring for sure

[balmy condor]

is it time

to bring back circle ui

[frigid pilot]

circle? oO

[thorn adder]

not like you have alot on your plate rn anyways

[hollow cradle]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[frigid pilot]

can we PIN fuu and whispyr sheets at the top of each subchannels pin, cus half the chat is !fuu !whispyr

[balmy condor]

if we do that no one will use it

:)

because people don't read pins

[frigid pilot]

make !whispyr "read pin"

[balmy condor]

we tried that at first

but then the channel was just

where sheet?

so instead of someone coming in

and using a command

[thorn adder]

to be fair its not trained in my brain to click pins first yet

[frigid pilot]

[thorn adder]

im training

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure that includes mentions of my name as well

[frigid pilot]

more sub rogues

[grim tangle]

make a bot that says "read pins" to any messages with a question mark

[balmy condor]

yeh

[idle inlet]

how important is it to pool energy and cp for shiv?

[balmy condor]

not important in the slightest

[idle inlet]

just use it on cd and dont think about it then huh

[nocturne hawk]

people be like 'wheres sheet'? and everyone goes 'read pins'. and dudes like 'pins wot?'

[balmy condor]

yeh

and people have to actually respond

it gets

really messy

we tried having it in the pins when we first did it

[frigid pilot]

i member when we had to maximize elaborate planning dmg

[agile osprey]

Brave of you guys to think I can read

[frigid pilot]

i think at least it should be both

sometimes im on mobile and quickly find it without going through the massive faq

[balmy condor]

I can toss it to the top of the current pin

yeh

[frigid pilot]

❤️

is quicksim prio trolling sometimes?

no vanish used in opener

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w7zWpCDqXoSNMiTocPcHo1

[thorn adder]

you dont use it

[subtle tundra]

🤨

[gusty mirage]

you don't?

[frigid pilot]

i like making sure the APL flows through

[subtle tundra]

SUSSY BAKY

[frigid pilot]

fam saving his van for 2nd deathmark

[gusty mirage]

the sim tries to hard sync vanish and deathmark

happens sometimes with all the apl logic

[frigid pilot]

ah

cant we put a 1 sec minimum diff between dm and vanish

if fight length is below 2 mins

to avoid that?

APL wise

[lavish wagon]

guys why Igneous flowstone is signed as bis in the Fuu sheet but isn't good in bloodmallet.. Is bis or not? 😄

[cobalt hemlock]

6 tier tokens and bomb dispenser dropped. didnt get single one

both form normal and heroic

[molten harness]

Why don’t we use double garrote in oppening with sepsis?

[gusty mirage]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[molten harness]

Ok so we don’t steal from it then

[tall jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=202557/hellsteel-mutilator

I got 2 of these today. Are they doable for sin/sub

They are 434

[thorn adder]

i misunderstood the concept of pandemic lmfao

[subtle tundra]

🤨

what dagger it is doesnt matter

look at ilvl

the item itself dont matter

why is it the 2nd time i see someone asking if a specific dagger they got is good

[tall jay]

Ok just curious that’s all, I like to make sure I’m doing what I should

[royal lantern]

that sing would upset me, but thank god i cant read

[gusty mirage]

because the world is against you varas

[spice spire]

Oh weapon stats matter a lot less.
That ilvl is the big thing

[gusty mirage]

it wants you to time +25s this week as assassination

do it

[spice spire]

450 with bad stats > 441 with good stats (main hand)

[spring walrus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[tall jay]

Ok cool. I’m guessing that at some point we increase the crafted ones right

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

if you kill sark on any difficulty you get an enchanted wyrm's crest

which can be used to upgrade it to 437?

I think?

[lyric crater]

qustion what flask is the best what i readed mixs reviews

[gusty mirage]

tepid vers the safe option for prog, you can use corrupting rage but we're already kinda drowning in crit

[tacit otter]

my crit is so down bad because of gear upgrades

[lyric crater]

yea atm im 32% with out it

[tall jay]

Oh kool. I have 2 crafted 421

[gusty mirage]

yeah you're prolly good to run corrupting if you feel comfortable doing it

[subtle tundra]

You monster

its tyrannical

50k st champion

[gusty mirage]

mammoth in neltharus is a treat on a 19 btw

[subtle tundra]

was easy on 18

(we depleted on last boss cause 3x melee is fucking cursed)

[earnest remnant]

took us 6 attempts on a +20 with an evoker healer

its so horrible for their range

[subtle tundra]

can they fucking hotfix

these bosses

that are obviously overtuned

[gusty mirage]

guess what healer I had

[subtle tundra]

i want to play brackenhide

but i know we cant finish

thats what she said

[lyric crater]

what the soft cap for cirt again 40%

[gusty mirage]

the totem with 2 million health that you have to kill in under 6s?

[subtle tundra]

Yessss dude

[gusty mirage]

very balanced

[earnest remnant]

its great

[subtle tundra]

play with a fire mage

[gusty mirage]

oh warlock tongues

affects the totem cast time

idk if that's a bug

[earnest remnant]

it does?

[gusty mirage]

ya

[earnest remnant]

bruh

[royal lantern]

you forget when it spawns inside the cloud, so melee cant hit it 🙂

[earnest remnant]

we wouldve timed it on a +20 if we knew that

[gusty mirage]

thats mostly the tank being an ape

[gusty mirage]

ASK ME

I KNOW THINGS

CLOAKING GULP ON TREE BOSS

NEGATES THE ABSORB SHIELD

you let him gulp you

cloak when absorb comes up

insta pops

[earnest remnant]

so you just wait for a few sec

then cloak

[gusty mirage]

yap

[earnest remnant]

-.-

[gusty mirage]

I told you I've done a lot of keys 😛

I test shit out in pugs

because chances are we can't kill X boss

so it'll fall apart

[spare lodge]

my raid runs two rogues, should we both run atrophic poison, or 1 mind numbing and 1 atrophic? IG my question is does it stack?

[gusty mirage]

might as well use them for science

[brazen zodiac]

lol

good point.

[gusty mirage]

does not stack

[spare lodge]

merci 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

i need to farm a neck from m+ now

so we gain like 6k dps on reset

[gusty mirage]

I need to kill heroic sark

either tonight or sunday

unlock 4pc

[earnest remnant]

hc sark is weird af

[gusty mirage]

yeah that one overlap is toxic

but if everyone plays clean

not too hard

[earnest remnant]

bruh i dont know what that boss doss

par p1 - p2

p3

ive got 0 clue

[gusty mirage]

(me neither)

[earnest remnant]

first 3 mythic tho

are actual hc bosses

[gusty mirage]

perfect

we're deciding between going first 3 mythic

or going in and killing sark

sounds like might be both tonight

[earnest remnant]

id say first 2 are easier than sark

[gusty mirage]

then idk what we do sunday

lol

[earnest remnant]

amal might be slightly more spicy

just with dmg intake

depending on how you do the boss

but the way we did

was awful for sub

the timings for tank swapping is on my dance cd

-.-

[dark token]

kazarra seemed similar difficulty to sarkareth, maybe tiny bit easier?

assault was easier tho by far

amal was about same difficulty as kazarra

[gusty mirage]

having a mythic vault for reset would be yuge

tbh

[dark token]

kazarra was one of the hardest first bosses i can remember mechanically

still not super hard but feels like a 2nd-3rd boss

[earnest remnant]

meh

[dark token]

will be a pug nightmare

[gusty mirage]

what I've learned about this expac

is everything is designed to be a pug nightmare

doing any of these dungeons with uncoordinated people who don't know wtf they're doing

is actually miserable

[earnest remnant]

assault tho

[gusty mirage]

I did an underrot where we 3 manned the first boss

lol

[earnest remnant]

is the easiest mythic boss ive ever done

[gusty mirage]

easier than guardian?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[gusty mirage]

jesus

both guardians?

[earnest remnant]

yep

the boss does nothing

[gusty mirage]

does the boss drop anything good?

probably not eh

[earnest remnant]

we 1 shot it

[gusty mirage]

my brother

colour is on a different stratosphere than most guilds

[earnest remnant]

we kinda just winged it

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[earnest remnant]

if you saw our Amal kill

[gusty mirage]

you guys do that every tier

and you fuck

hard

I was watching you while running keys

😠

[earnest remnant]

you would know how bad we are xD

[gusty mirage]

cause sub is so interesting in keys

[south steppe]

do the top embellishment items change for people focusing on m+ and not so much the raid?

[earnest remnant]

sub is fun in keys every 1min30

xD

when you do 500k on a pack

[gusty mirage]

bring back obedience

change my mind

[earnest remnant]

nah

let it stay 1min30

[gusty mirage]

they do not

[earnest remnant]

but up the mastery

[gusty mirage]

1.5 minutes is an awkward cd

[proven lake]

hey guys, do we go 2 shadowflame enchants or just one ?

[balmy condor]

ideally 0

[gusty mirage]

unless you need it to proc ring

you play sophic

[lyric crater]

really? so no ring no shadow fire?

[balmy condor]

correct

[lyric crater]

ok

[balmy condor]

shadowflame is a temporary enchant

between embellishments

to maintain the eranog ring

[lyric crater]

i have a 408 ring i take it is still good untill i get 424+ ring

[balmy condor]

yeh

I wouldn't get a shadowflame enchant in your case though

[lyric crater]

i have the fire helm still atm 417 so im good for now

[gilded oasis]

Why not

ring too low? or something else

[balmy condor]

yeah

shit ring

[gilded oasis]

ok cool

[lyric crater]

yea my ring does 2k less fire damage

[tawny barn]

the heroicchromatic essence trinket, is sims bugged out as the icon simming higher on mine

[thorn fjord]

Best i could manage =/ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3hKx7Y3dAbPmeQ7aFjkU24

[tawny barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tyP8wpjt66aePuCx8xTgc4

how essence trinket so garbage

[lyric crater]

let see how i do with sepsis for sim 200 lower but i feel it a better dps on key brust targets

[subtle tundra]

gah damn going 2p+2p with much higher ilvl is losing dps in m+

4pc on low tyra

will be so bad

holy fuck

low even 20s

gah damn i hate the tier set

[eager solstice]

What’s everyone using their wyrm crests for? Or are you holding?

[misty holly]

Like gamestop in 2021, I'm holding!

[subtle tundra]

i used on tier pieces

now hoping for a dagger

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[thorn fjord]

Used mine on dagger

[faint rock]

where is the patch placed? in the sim it runs 5/5 tier pieces

[brazen zodiac]

holding 4 life

[tacit otter]

let the dooming begin with no rogue mentionend in patchnotes hehe

[runic hinge]

Where rog

[misty holly]

They were about to give rogue changes until Tettles made that tier list video putting us into "A" due to the +20% shiv buff. Plans scrapped.

[tacit otter]

but in the 10.1.5 bluepost they talked about mages, rogues and holy palas

big reword inc surely

[somber sparrow]

Holy Paladins is a proper noun, as well, so keep that in mind when you write it

[sick aspen]

Can you blame him? A talent that buffs shiv by 500% and then they buff it by 20%? It screams A tier

[somber sparrow]

look at that shiv - no wonder it took us into A tier

[haughty flicker]

20% more than it would've been before

thats huge

[vital depot]

Heya guys! I looked around a bit and couldnt fint anything about this, does anyone have some weakaura to just track Rupture and Garrote in seconds?

[foggy temple]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[scenic sapphire]

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean something like that?

[vital depot]

Yeah something like that would work

or just a icon with seconds

[scenic sapphire]

You can do that yourself pretty easily. Create an aura and put the trigger on Rupture/Garrote

[vital depot]

like this

[scenic sapphire]

Then you can chose icon or bar or whatever you feel like

[vital depot]

wops

https://prnt.sc/kBwWbsdH1TTF

but not the rest of the WA

[scenic sapphire]

DMing you

[vital depot]

Thanks!

[thorn fjord]

Do we want 1 Sophic 3 and one wreath 3 or both wreath? Sims are showing one of each

[gaunt moat]

They said there's rogue tuning.. but no rogue notes in patch notes 🤔 hmm

[sonic lodge]

My I ask for assa witch of the crafted boots seems to be better? Or where i may find that info?

[thorn fjord]

Slimy

[sonic lodge]

Why not the thorns? Are worth to craft RN?

[balmy condor]

the heal proc on thorns eats the dps proc

[oak sky]

Probably next week bro

[subtle tundra]

So I was right about notes

But we only got a mention

They put the checkmark next to rogue and now they can go back to forgetting about us

[marble hemlock]

they didnt say it was gonna be in the first build

[gaunt moat]

Just... remove exsang.. give us base increase of tick rate talent.
remove SnD, make it baseline.
that's all i ask for for now.

[marble hemlock]

just like ion said theres no third evoker spec coming in 10.1

[misty holly]

Sure, but you are helping the healers out with a proc like that, and with that extra help they might have a chance to drop some globals doing damage instead of healing, which is essentially entirely because of your item.

[marble hemlock]

im like fairly certain that some of the group support buffs also just boost healing output

[balmy condor]

you're actually smoking crack

[sonic lodge]

Thx! I suppose is the same reason why it's bis on outlaw too

[subtle tundra]

[grim jay]

I still hope that augmentation shit is a joke

[marble hemlock]

they just posted the black dragonflight stuff, which is more dps oriented. the timey-wimey shit of the bronze skills is likely gonna boost healing output or stagger raiddmg or smth

[gaunt moat]

@marble hemlock Reminds of of the saying "I promised you X, but I never promised to actually do it"

[halcyon zealot]

!fuu

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[weak bane]

hi seli reminder ur awesome and thats a nice cat

[grim jay]

augmentation stuff literally sounds like PI: The class

[marble hemlock]

thx, youre awesome too. i think.

[weak bane]

im pretty great but not awesome yet

[marble hemlock]

yeah like, im not entirely sure why they namedropped 3 classes and then only had stuff ready to be announced for 2 of them. seems like an odd choice

then again, we have been complaining about lack of communication a lot lately

so this is more than what we had before

[thorn fjord]

They know we were doomin

[oak sky]

He didnt lie its coming in 10.1.5

I saw right through him from the start

[cold spoke]

truee

[gaunt moat]

10.1.5

[subtle tundra]

Probably cause listing 2 names and then saying and more is weird so they had to fill it

Randomly chose rogue

[oak sky]

Like bro they asked him is there a third evoker spec and he was like "we've never done that before" like thats obviously a nonanswer

[oak sky]

The whole point is he technically didn't lie because technically 10.1.5 is a distinct patch from 10.1

They just wanted to keep it a secret bro

[tiny lynx]

is there a WA that can track improved garrote vs non-improved garrote vs sepsis improved garrote? im having trouble not clipping sepsis garrotes to soon

[gaunt moat]

probably should have checked their files before putting a toast for it in 10.1 PTR

[oak sky]

True

[gloomy knoll]

So if sin doesn’t get meaningful aoe without giving up it’s wife kids and a lung in st do we riot

in game of course

[gaunt moat]

I'm surprised where's the WW ST buffs

[somber sparrow]

slice and dice should just be baseline. we already have to make sure it's 100% uptime anyway, in every spec, might just be easier to bake it into our characters.

[royal lantern]

funfact

that was allready the case once

cus everyone hated SnD

and then they removed it

and then added it back in

[rocky raven]

im having a dillema, do i craft both Slimy Expulsion Boots and Spore Colony Shoulderguards, or is Slimy Expulsion Boots and toxic patch better option?

[royal lantern]

and now people again want it as a passive/removed

fuck SnD

[tacit otter]

shoulders are bad now, dont craft them

[gaunt moat]

as a button you hit once in the opener and then forget about it. pointless.

[rocky raven]

noted, thank you

[gloomy knoll]

And everyone told me I was dumb it’s iconic when I said why are we getting this cringe ability

Good times

[tacit otter]

but always make sure sim says same. in this case its safe that these shoulders are dog

[cold spoke]

they brought it back with a good reason

but df made class more complex so snd looks like a bloat now more than ever

[gaunt moat]

sepsis 1% lower

[tacit otter]

thats 100% within margin, ez

[grim jay]

yeah no

thats not within margin

[tacit otter]

oh wait its nearly 1k

not 100

[gaunt moat]

lol

[tacit otter]

!vanish

[flint tusk]

depends how bad you are with exsang really

[pure moth]

Sepsis is 1500 behind in my profile

[gaunt moat]

I dunno what's gonna make sepsis get close to exsang.
might be when i get rid of puzzle box.

but for now, it's not close enough

[digital mica]

if its a 5 min fight im holding Exang for the 4 min DM right?

[gaunt moat]

honestly.. i'm kinda shit with exsang anyway. I'm not patient enough to hold CDs

[flint tusk]

you'd probably find sep is better then.

Best thing you can do is give it a go.

i'm probably going to try it next raid on sunday. just to see probably not the best place the start using it on hc neltharian

[marble hemlock]

i woudlnt worry too much

everything except heroic sarka is a joke

[thorn fjord]

He’s hard on heroic?

[viscid spear]

Yeah, it's hard not to fall asleep

[thorn fjord]

I fell asleep during maggot boss yesterday in a UR

Lol

[marble hemlock]

no, but its a clusterfuck of a fight

also a very short fight

[thorn fjord]

Thank god it’s like sub 6 minutes and not another 10 min fight

We’ve been getting those for a while now

[south steppe]

what's the best way to use the Halls of infusion trinket in the opener?

[austere fulcrum]

We do use boots and toxi as 2 embalishmnt right ?

[tacit otter]

depends on many things, but yes the BIS setup uses those

[austere fulcrum]

Thank u, where do we put toxi ? I mean what is go to/ best item to craft with it

[tacit otter]

i think you would stay with bracers

[gaunt moat]

afaik, binded to DM

[austere fulcrum]

Yea i was thinkg the same wrist with needed stats

Thanks @tacit otter

[round spire]

puzzle box with 424 harlan or manic on raid if someone dies on raid time to time

any ideas

[weak plover]

We hold irideus fragment for CDS yeah?

[balmy condor]

macro into deathmark

and then gg

[weak plover]

Finally free from puzzy b 🙏

[gusty mirage]

[zinc turtle]

What are the thoughts on the tier set, and if/when should you break S1 teir set with S2?

[light goblet]

when do you sepsis on opener?

[marble hemlock]

@light goblet check the pins
@zinc turtle id sim, but for me personally, i got 2x normal set from aberrus and its worse than old 4pc

[somber sparrow]

garrote from stealth -> slice and dice -> sepsis -> ambush / mut until rupture

[light goblet]

Garrote -> Slice -> Sepsis -> Ambush -> Mutilate/Ambush to 5+ combo points -> Rupture -> Deathmark -> Shiv + Thistle Tea -> Echoing Reprimand -> rotation

How can you ambush 4th without vanish?

[oak sky]

Blindside

[light goblet]

is that only if it procs i assume

[oak sky]

Yep

[light goblet]

okie

[willow falcon]

is there something wrong with the sims rn? simming like 20k less than two days ago

[dry copper]

sepsis -> ambush is the stealth

the ambush after that is BS

[light goblet]

you can only garrte slice sepsis in stealth on opener

abmush will be mutilate unless you proc

do you not vanish+garrote with deathmark on opener now

so weird

[stiff geode]

You can choose to not play Sepsis 😛

[light goblet]

im just tryingto make sense of ti

[weak plover]

Sepsis is an L for me on sims

[light goblet]

oh I see

[gusty mirage]

you vanish garrote when your garrote is in pandemic range

[light goblet]

sepsis gives 1 stealth ability usage

thats how you abmush next

and that helps too ty

[balmy condor]

my head hurts

simming this shit

[gusty mirage]

stop trying to fix it in the sim

[balmy condor]

but this is so much better

but then it does this

[gusty mirage]

[light goblet]

double garrote pog

[weak plover]

Gar gar

pog

[wind condor]

old 4p was better until i upgraded to double 441s

[tacit otter]

Big?

[hoary kernel]

4

[balmy condor]

that doesn't do aynthing

[wind condor]

I don't have a single clue what all this datamined shit means lol

more dam or less dam

[balmy condor]

pretty sure that's the hotfix for vicious venoms

[spice surge]

Ye all of the rogue changes are just the hotfixes from wednesday

[somber fractal]

they said rogue changes were coming in the patch. surely this cant be bait again

[haughty flicker]

shirley

[fringe spear]

Surely

[hexed basin]

wow if thats it then ima cry

[frigid kestrel]

!whispry

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

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[frigid kestrel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[winged veldt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[proud basin]

@balmy condor what do we do when the sepsis dot runs out in the opener? i didnt see that, if it is there im sorry im blind

[quick pumice]

dumb question, does sepsis cause garrote to be empowered?

[storm zinc]

!FUU

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[balmy condor]

ambush

[proud basin]

so then it would be something like---Garrote -> Slice -> Sepsis -> Ambush -> Mutilate/Ambush to 5+ combo points -> Rupture -> Deathmark ->Ambush->Vanish garrote->Shiv + Thistle Tea -> Echoing Reprimand -> rotation??

[limpid quest]

Sepsis if you want to try this talent do you have to be Night faye? or is it in out spec talent tree?

our tree?

[torn atlas]

Spec tree

Shares a node with bone spike bottom right side

[limpid quest]

TY

but you need to be night fay Covenant yes?

[balmy condor]

just quick sim and copy the opener idk

doesn't matter

[proud basin]

well i mean most of that is what you had put in the pin i just added 2 things to it, cause i got confused

but sure.

[torn atlas]

Nah, covenants don't matter now we're out of shadowlands.

[limpid quest]

tx

[inland mason]

sooooo whats our phial?

[balmy condor]

vers like in s1

[inland mason]

tyvm

[frigid pilot]

is 50 fps on heroic last boss normal?

[lusty surge]

better lucky than good

[gray crest]

you look like a lock me and @gusty mirage know

[sick sail]

The esthetics. Love it. So glad I went assassin. Doing so much better with better gear. Almost quit the game. Thanks for the support. Keep posting assa shit

[timid haven]

So we are using sepis over bone spike now?

[balmy condor]

in single target for certain gear yes

[timid haven]

got ya ill run some sims. i was actually curious about this

[balmy condor]

imports in the spreadsheet

doesn't require tier

good luck

[timid haven]

Thx. picked it up

[oak tangle]

Interesting that rogue ptr notes are titled ‘holy priest and monk’

[sweet dawn]

Blizz really said "We're making changes to Rogue, Holy Paladin and Mage" and didn't mention us in anything. Must mean they have something good cooking, right? Right???

[main vessel]

boys

are our anvils hardening

[timid haven]

one more quick question. Do I use shiv before or after sepsis or does it matter

[lusty surge]

where am i using beacon? before dm?

[main vessel]

Fixed an issue that prevented Nightstalker's damage bonus from applying in its intended circumstances.
Quake tell me what my opinion should be

[oak sky]

definitely means something will come in the next few weeks

[civic knot]

want to confirm, is eranog ring not bis for sin? I know it's bis for the other specs but I'm not seeing it on the sims in whispyr's doc

[hasty vine]

i checked the opener from the sample sequence from the spreadsheet and it doesn't seem to use vanish

[oak tangle]

depends on how BiS the replacement ring is

[hasty vine]

it appears to not just be that one sequence, but the whole sim using it twice per fight

[distant hinge]

!trinket

[idle inlet]

Is wow analyzer any good for ass rogue? It shows me doing decent I think but I'm like 6k below my simmed dps

[oak tangle]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[vapid sierra]

Certain gear?

Is it profile dependant?

[ionic fox]

Dumb question where can i see what sim is casting?

Want to know where its putting irideous fragment

[vapid sierra]

On the right

Irrc

[oak tangle]

look in the html version of the sim

[vapid sierra]

^

[oak tangle]

there is a cast order

[frigid pilot]

CHECKMATE

[hasty vine]

go down to action priority list and open that, then go down to sample sequence table

[lusty surge]

huge

grats haha

[ionic fox]

I see it had to be quick sim not top gear

[oak tangle]

can be top gear, just cant have too many combos

[hasty vine]

o yea there's also on the webpage i use the html report

[wind condor]

this raid kiinda a joke so far

[ionic fox]

What are the chances i get a irideous fragment in vault do i just upograde my 428> xD

[balmy condor]

macro it into deathmark

[ionic fox]

oh god right because it isnt fking box xD

[balmy condor]

I mean it's an upgrade for me and its -1% for other people

so kinda gotta be

[frigid pilot]

optimal raid graphics settings?

my fps getting cooked on sarkareth heroic

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[upbeat niche]

what hardware are you running

[idle inlet]

Should I just sim my character to determine if I should take sepsis yet or not?

[gaunt moat]

I tried simming again, this time at 6 minutes.
now the difference between exsang and sepsis is marginal

[restive falcon]

441 anvil better than 415 puzzle

or is it bait

it was a 1.6% (+1568) dps gain

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[oak tangle]

6 min is not great timings for exsang to be fair

[gaunt moat]

yeah that's the problem. exsang has bad timings.

[oak tangle]

can you do 6:30?

I haven't been following, but without puzzle do you still hold exsang to DM or do you now use every second one with DM

[split cipher]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frigid pilot]

i9900k and 2080ti

[storm belfry]

man the first boss is p fun on M

[upbeat niche]

That's super weird then

[dry copper]

if your fps is super shit even w/ that, you likely have an addon or WA that is being shit on your FPS

[gusty mirage]

in the wrong channel for that to even matter homie

[dry copper]

you can always profile them to see

[frigid pilot]

ijust have bigwigs, wa, details etc.

and i update all my was