assassination

[spice spire]

Have you seen half the names I’ve given him?

[gusty mirage]

I miss that

I remember when I changed his name to Budget Ceverion

[spice spire]

[gray crest]

Could be worse, could change his name to something like orphan crippler

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

it's out of love habibi

dw

[spice spire]

Yeah daps unironically a lad

Until I join voice and he makes fun of me

[thorn fjord]

They didn’t buff dice tho

Surely it must still be good

Englishmen have the best disses imo

[minor gate]

does dice need a buff?

[thorn fjord]

No clue

My brain is fried right now

[gusty mirage]

probably

but also probably not

it just gave flat secondaries

shouldn't have been too hard to tune that knob

[minor gate]

there are some dead effects though

[gusty mirage]

for harlan's dice?

[minor gate]

oh thoses dice

i thought this was outlaw dice

[gusty mirage]

well they did copy and paste the rtb animation

and threw it on dice

so I don't blame you

[minor gate]

i more forgot that freehold is back

[silk bane]

LMFAO imagine this thing giving u MG

[minor gate]

i hate that dungeon

[thorn fjord]

FH was based

[minor gate]

i join wow at the near the end of bfa

and thats all i did

[storm belfry]

I am surprised i don't see them doing any sort of scaling modifier for this next season

[gusty mirage]

wait

[storm belfry]

really just gonna roll w that 25% shit ig

[minor gate]

because thats all my friends wanted

[gusty mirage]

if they bring back siege of boralus

and we have cross faction groups

[balmy condor]

The horde side is canon I think

[gusty mirage]

I wish that dungeon would be shot out of a canon

[storm belfry]

I loved it and i was alliance

[gusty mirage]

BRO WHO HURT YOU

[lucid mirage]

So what dungeons are we spamming today?

[gusty mirage]

all of them

[thorn fjord]

FH and UR

[gusty mirage]

UR for dagger

[thorn fjord]

For the member berries

[gusty mirage]

halls for fragment

everything else for gear

until you realize you only really need like

2 pieces

[thorn fjord]

We’re not capped on upgrades anymore right?

[lucid mirage]

o7

[gusty mirage]

crests are weekly capped

flightstones are forever

[thorn fjord]

Oh right forgot

Time to grab some Sudafed and chicken soup and wait for servers

[storm belfry]

idk man

dark times

[thorn fjord]

They should have given us AQ

[gusty mirage]

siege was so unnecessarily hard for alliance

for actually no reason

lmao

[violet jackal]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[weak horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rigid shore]

Is there any good tool/website which can help me analyze my logs for improvement? Using warcraftlogs is so hard to see my own errors

[gusty mirage]

wowanalyzer does a good job for the basics

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[gusty mirage]

at least for assassination

I don't think topple has it updated for the other 2 yet

[vocal basalt]

I never knew of this tool

[rigid shore]

Ok thanks!

[spice spire]

Now I can ping their ass @main vessel it’s just Assassination for wowa yeah?

[storm belfry]

servers live

[spice spire]

LOGIN

[main vessel]

Ya

[spice spire]

And i ty every day I don’t have to do 5+ log reviews

[gusty mirage]

working just fine too

[storm belfry]

It is for me 🤡

[late surge]

What affixes? 🙂

[storm belfry]

my friends are in load screen boss

[gusty mirage]

new patch lag

[late surge]

tyra xddd

[gusty mirage]

[steel ridge]

juice

[dawn kelp]

work is dog how am i suppose to farm out both 447 pieces working man

[spice spire]

Holy juiced

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

what juice

[steel ridge]

how many levels did it drop?

[gusty mirage]

it's 100% worse than crit/mastery 421 crafted

9 if you timed

[storm belfry]

9

[gusty mirage]

10 if you didn't

[spice spire]

Dagger?

[storm belfry]

well its 10

cause we took rats to my 24

[gusty mirage]

for off hand?

[spice spire]

Oh

Didn’t realize you had mh

[gusty mirage]

BRO WHAT THE FUCK

[storm belfry]

damn

[spice spire]

Wait huh

[storm belfry]

what level did ytou do lmfao

[grim jay]

gz

[spice spire]

You timed a 26? Lmfao?

[gusty mirage]

of course?

hello?

[spice spire]

I’m opening with a rat 12

It’s gonna be hollow too

I feel it in my bones

[gusty mirage]

my wiener is tiny of course I timed a 26

[grim jay]

oxi becoming the full-fledged beta tester, doing the real dungeons

[dawn kelp]

we straight into them dungeons or what

[storm belfry]

am surprised no scaling modifer was posted

[gusty mirage]

servers died

[storm belfry]

server diff

im flying

itll be done for sure

im gonna try

think ppl on ptr were timing 20s at 410 ilvl

[dawn kelp]

18s felt fine at 410 ilvl

on ptr

[storm belfry]

also i didnt see any scaling modifier outside of the 25% thing

which is v odd

and they nerfed some dungeons so like idk

[main vessel]

I haven't been emotionally manipulated into doing the other 2 yet

[spice spire]

God bless

[grim jay]

dw you will soon join the pirate crew

[spice spire]

Not as long as I’m around

I’ll protect topple from the dirty ways of outlaw

[kind ether]

!fuu

[feral mason]

the 3 items i never managed to get this tier

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[edgy cloak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[eternal vortex]

we are A tier

[frosty cedar]

[spice spire]

[frosty cedar]

clown world

[flint tusk]

really wish people would let these tier lists die

[spice spire]

They get interaction

So they won’t

Unlucky

[flint tusk]

i know.

i wouldn't mind if the people making them actually had a clue

[eternal vortex]

dunno man i hate these lists aswell just laughing at it

[cursive frost]

Only thing for sure on there is warlock S tier

[flint tusk]

"20% shiv is a massive buff so they're A tier"

[cursive frost]

Best quote ever

[grim jay]

bro half my guild was talking about x is A tier n shit last raid

I died inside

[midnight mist]

excuse me I just saw this statement in Jpc twitch chat, can someone confirm that it is indeed a sin tier?

[sick sail]

yea my dps is ass

[trim raptor]

100% true

[eternal vortex]

[trim raptor]

Ask tettles

[quaint nimbus]

oh my god

[gusty mirage]

imagine not watching the superior rogue

zaco

[midnight mist]

who

[gusty mirage]

Zaco

my other son

[sick sail]

what rotation guides do u guys recommend

[gusty mirage]

he disappeared a few weeks ago

[midnight mist]

poor guy

Wonder where he went

[gusty mirage]

probably far away from RH

with all the crazy people in here

[white bone]

On the topic of content creators for assasination. Who do you recommend for yputube and/streamv

[midnight mist]

understandable tbh

[gusty mirage]

@marble hemlock if he ever decides to consistently stream

as for youtuber

kinda out of luck there

but Zeratule's YouTube is good youtube content

but zera's content is more general wow stuff https://www.youtube.com/@TheRedRogue

@gray fjord awesome human being tho and we love him

[thick sail]

I've been having a weird problem with my assassination sims. Every time I try to use Simcraft, it throws a weird error, something like, "the simulator did something unexpected" and it won't actually sim

[storm belfry]

just did top dam in UR as sin, we are saved

[gusty mirage]

[eternal vortex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frigid pilot]

Only good specs are allowed to sim

[frigid bay]

how much worse is playing the single target build without exsang?

[eternal vortex]

check out Whispyr sheets

[storm belfry]

do i get loaded dice first FH run @gusty mirage

[eternal vortex]

there is a lot of sim information there

[inland jacinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[frigid bay]

ah cool, tyty

[flint tusk]

lel just seeing devoker's and locks destroying the damage meters in every single split xD

[sick sail]

people sit down and read spreadsheets?

jesus, guess ill do it

[royal lantern]

~1% lost

nothing big

you probably do more dmg playing without exsang cus you dont make small mistakes

[flint tusk]

plus the difference has become smaller due to losing T29 set bonus

[frigid bay]

yeah, 3 min cd exsang just feels bad imo

[marble hemlock]

gj, prog done

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark musk]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fickle gale]

cant find any sub rogue in streams (in Raid ) ?^^

[feral mason]

for m+

real and factual

[eternal vortex]

our opener didnt change anything beside taking out puzzlebox right?

[royal lantern]

yes

[grim jay]

I wonder how often we will run the risk of serious damage to our health due to that unstoppable posting of those garbage tierlists

in the next few days

[dawn kelp]

u guys replace puzzleB already?

[grim jay]

we guys sim and see if what we get sims higher

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

did you print your tierlist already?

I can send you the amazon link to a great pricture frame

[brazen fern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

[cursive frost]

So puzzlebox is not go to anymore for now until we get 10.1 trinkets?

[marble hemlock]

sub gaslightning again or why is it below assa?

[proper tapir]

Bro you just sim the Trinkets you have, if it drops box then you do too

[grim jay]

ryolith just got beaten by their sin

dr atnos knew

[past bobcat]

Because sub rogue is still bugged

[grim jay]

sshhh

[past bobcat]

And they removed our damage amps and didn’t fix nightstalker

.5% buff basically

[late surge]

dr atnos always right confirmed

[marble hemlock]

okay but

in what world

is subrogue a c-tier spec for m+

[cursive frost]

It was the shiv buff

[marble hemlock]

and worse than assa

[late surge]

In boomie and dr atnos world

shiv buff too big

[grim jay]

do you question dr atnos and GOATCs tettles?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[spice spire]

I’m having a stroke

[late surge]

bro

its because assa doesnt hurt from downtime in m+

:))))))))))))

[grim jay]

I dont know if its easier to become one of them at this point

it just hurts to resist

the pain is eternal

[deft flicker]

Whhops sorry that was me

stops stroking

[spice spire]

Mfs now erping in this holy channel

[grim jay]

do you want me to send you one? printed in color, with a frame that has a nice golden trim

[spice spire]

Dr. Atnos tier lists are against the Geneva convention

[gray crest]

More like Geneva suggestion

[deft flicker]

More like Geneva tierlist

[tawny pike]

anyone tried doing lfr? My fps goes down to 10....

i can't play this at all

[spice spire]

Patch day lfr

[frosty flame]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[feral mason]

wowhead writers were on some turbo crack for that list no clue

[viscid spear]

[frosty flame]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spice spire]

Oh no what an accident

[grim jay]

got you covered

[spice spire]

Fuck again?

Clumsy

[grim jay]

but

its forever in the deleted messages thing

[spice spire]

Yeah I don’t have to see it tho get woke

[grim jay]

but

didnt I make it prettier?

took some time to find a fitting frame

[gloomy knoll]

We go buff buff warlock and watch it burn

[oblique jackal]

Sin is pumping

[frail geyser]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

fuck so there was no buffs

FUCK

[winter gale]

Assa good on normal Pug with Max

[upbeat niche]

Shhhh we are supposed to be sandbagging

[royal lantern]

rogue WILL be good at the start

just dropping really hard

[queen pulsar]

Guys assa is good let’s go

[spice spire]

[flint tusk]

that's heavy cop

[gloomy knoll]

Rogue feeling real American rn

[vapid sierra]

as of current i run builds from last season right?

until i get new tier?

[gloomy knoll]

Ignore the data huff the copium we’re not crumbling

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dawn kelp]

Are you guys goig to craft a 447 dagger then craft boots at heroic ilvl?

[vestal wren]

10.1 or

[dawn kelp]

ya

[vestal wren]

Sexy sepsis edition

[frigid pilot]

Damn discord channel barely active must be all the nerds who took today off to do keys after maintenance

[deft flicker]

We can always do !whispyr to imitate activity

[royal lantern]

nah lol

just seriously

will just fall off a cliff really fast cus our tier sets are not that great

and stuff like that

[steel ridge]

dont forget the -5% nerf after week1

[plush jolt]

And then the other nerfs

That just destroyed is

Us

[steel ridge]

nah talking about next week, surely we will get some sort of a beat down

some completely random thing

anyhow, why is sepsis still a 90 second cd 😮 realz pls

[spice spire]

Ur right

3m cd. Send that ish to the shadow realm

[empty lily]

where's a good vid guide on how to learn sin rogue from scratch

[royal lantern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gray fjord]

Sorry I just got the chance to reply back, Oxi, been at work and just got home for my lunch break. Thank you for the kind words, admittedly the channel has been on the back burner the past month or two since I started work again but will hopefully have some more stuff up here and there.

[cunning nest]

no roguespec at very world first mythic kill 🥳

[vestal wren]

hey zera, whats up, haven't seen you streaming in a while

hope you doing alright

[limber lion]

lol.....

[vapid sierra]

whisper is keeping doing ct on st in a key, why?

isnt it bad?

[limber lion]

world first mythic first boss

can kill that shit with 20 healers

[limber lion]

I don't understand this sentence

[royal lantern]

and its a boss that drops daggers

[vapid sierra]

shit my bad

typed quick

[royal lantern]

[vapid sierra]

whispyr on stream is mainting ct on a boss in a keyt

why?

isnt it bad

[limber lion]

I don't think it matters one way or the other

Just ask him in the chat

[grim jay]

probably small gain from what I've heard

[hoary remnant]

most rogues playing normal without Exsanguinate. Any reason why?

[vapid sierra]

its annoying to play with

and a tiny fuck up ruins your dps

[royal lantern]

@hoary remnant plays like shit, only a very very minor dps lost

[hoary remnant]

Ok

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor about sepsis and exsang and stuff (ofc using the CttC version, playing without CttC is not a thing, lets be honest)

how does sepsis excatly interact with all the stealth garrote talents like shrouded/improved garrote etc.....

if it works with them, would it not be possible to just do sepsis->garrote->exsang->dmg in the opener, and then it automatically aligns sepsis and exsang for the entire fight duration so you always have the garrote buffs for exsang without vanish?

(wow, thats the first thing in a long time where im actually serious in a spec channel)

[balmy condor]

yeh you could

but you would still want to exsang every 4 min

[royal lantern]

buuuuuuuuut?

[balmy condor]

so

[limber lion]

And your vanish fucks up

[balmy condor]

doesn't line up

[limber lion]

which we use offensively as well

it's just dog all the way through

[balmy condor]

yeh

[limber lion]

And now some people are talking about delaying Sepsis to take advantage of 4p

and it's just a mess man

[hoary remnant]

ok its like 2k dps loss

[limber lion]

It's like 700 dps

okay depending which builds you comparing

but yeh

nothing huge

[thorn fjord]

Isn’t it 1%?

[balmy condor]

less than that with tier

[uneven hamlet]

👀

[royal lantern]

but wait, DOES sepsis actually use all the stealth based talents or not?

[limber lion]

It does

[royal lantern]

kk

was not sure if its weird with that stuff

[limber lion]

It didn't previously but it was changed

but it wasn't enough to make Sepsis good

[royal lantern]

time to make 300macros

[uneven hamlet]

gonna macro it to mutilate

[royal lantern]

so yeha

sepsis will be weird, we dont want it, got it

[thorn fjord]

Did we ever really want it tho?

[royal lantern]

idk, thought that maybe there is a chance that you just slam exsang on CD then

instead of using it every 4min with DM

[limber lion]

We don't use Exsang at 4 mins because of Vanish

we delay it for DM

[vestal wren]

i did update the talent simulations in the sheet, its not too bad

[royal lantern]

thats why i said "thought that there is a chance" 😄

[limber lion]

Yeh

Still waiting for Exsang deletion/rework

💃

[thorn fjord]

Shit if it’s only 1% or lower I just figure don’t run it

Lol

[vestal wren]

ye, its not too bad

[thorn fjord]

Sub was feeling good in keys tho so I’ll prob run that for heroic @vestal wren

I’ll start m prog as sin tho

[grim jay]

900 dps compared to the st cttc

[grand trail]

so what stealth ability you wanna use from sepsis?

[vestal wren]

subtlety has ns still not fixed

what is a bit of a set back

because it does mean the chanegs are actual nerfs

[thorn fjord]

No chance for a hot fix either I’d assume

[limber lion]

Garrote always

[grand trail]

cool

unfortuanly WA im using do not detect that garrote being amped

[vestal wren]

no idea, it is i think the 3rd time they fix it

might be worth their time to just create a replacement talent

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2HEFcxUJ3U1krB4jAVtbTt

sepsis/sbs with cttc

[grim jay]

dunno why they dont just delete that mess of a code and just add one with "shadow dance now increases your damage by 38%"

[vestal wren]

without cttc
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/caS7VPtX6Q2bHJZiM53xDb

but nobody plays without cttc

[royal lantern]

^

lets be honest, you lose more dps playing without CttC then you will probably gain

[vestal wren]

(just replacing sepsis < - > sbs)

[kindred breach]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[kindred breach]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

i am not that sure

i think maintaining snd isn't that problematic, but assassination has a high overhead on spells to maintain already

[honest swift]

big true

[whole mason]

since there are stealth and vanish

[grim jay]

Literally unimportant

[whole mason]

Why?

[grim jay]

And its meant as a replacement thats functional and still works similar

[grim jay]

I doubt you will really notice that

[whole mason]

not answering the why and also not sure what do you mean

notice what?

So I vanish and I should not be benefitting from NS?

[distant peak]

Anyone have a rogue WA pack that they like?

[late birch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grim jay]

They could just add a 8% garrote buff to it, wouldnt break anything either and still be worth for sin, even more so. Literally noone will care if thats not bound to vanish/stealth

[whole mason]

how about pvp content?

[grim jay]

Well what about it? Literally doesnt change anything and if garrote would turn into a problem that way you can tune it separately. Nothing really changes

[royal lantern]

pvp always had different numbers they tune after

they can buff a ability by 20000% and it doesnt matter

cus they just slam "reduced by X against players" on it and thats it

[whole mason]

that's an ability, not for NS

[earnest remnant]

iirc in SL NS had a different modifier for assa in pvp compared to pve

[whole mason]

there are scenarios vanish/stealth dmg buff contributes

but it does its job

[gusty mirage]

so neltharian's is fun

[whole mason]

now this gentleman try to erase the dmg buff for stealth and vanish

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

"just run +19 for gear and you are 441 in week3"

[grim jay]

You are looking at:
For example 8% more garrote damage which is always active for sin
8% more damage in dance for both other specs

Instead of:
8% garrote every other year and nothing else.

Complaining about vanish/stealth not actively giving the 8% then is pretty weird

[whole mason]

im not talking about 8% more garrote daamge for sin

[grim jay]

Dunno who would care for the stealth and vanish part. Thats just holding onto it for the sake of it

[whole mason]

im talking about for example i vanish and go sap a blinded healer while all my dots are 8% buffed and get back with 8% amp'd env to finish the job

[timber kelp]

what are the bis embellishments/craft priorities after nerf? doesn't seem like wowhead is updated

[still epoch]

is sin slamming rn, im at work please scout for me boys

[grim jay]

That sounds like a one in a million niche case

Where that actually gets you the kill you wouldnt otherwise

[whole mason]

but it is not all about if i get the kill, the damage is however indeed 8% more.

[vestal wren]

nightstalker is just very weak

[grim jay]

Its about the relevance of holding onto that tho

[vestal wren]

even if it works

sub gets more value just because of shadow dance

[dusky granite]

What on the third boss was the problem?

[whole mason]

yes, and 8% amp'd env is also a thing for pvp and where you get that back?

[dusky granite]

Guessing just the adds overwhelm on tyrannical

[grim jay]

Exactly. The 8% for garrote in general would actually make the point worthwhile for sin aswell. I actually think there should be talents with 2 parts to them like that in such cases

[grim jay]

I doubt it makes or breaks anything was my point. PvP is a different balance topic in general anyways, not many people caring for it aside.

And I do pvp, before you assume otherwise

[whole mason]

i assumed nothing here

stopping picturing about me thinking about what

[grim jay]

Dont get offended

I meant no harm

[slow needle]

Would have been fine if they hadn't buffed everything last night.

[austere fulcrum]

can someone share the season2 m+ wa pls

[drifting cosmos]

sin A tier in raid?

[silk bane]

@gusty mirage this dungeons very fun and enjoyable

[gusty mirage]

just damage

[silk bane]

surely this worms gonna die

[tawny pike]

just so you guys know i'm getting axes and maces even when my loot table is se t to assasination... We trully are forgotten.

i send a ticket already

[gusty mirage]

from m+?

[limber lion]

I swear if he says something like a rare

[dusky granite]

Yikes, yeah

[spice spire]

We were all new once

[honest path]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

our healer hearthed out swapped holy priest

[grim jay]

cev so close to breaking and he doesnt even play

[earnest remnant]

just feint or?

[dusky granite]

Similarly, don’t do Neltharus without a decurse for last boss

[tawny pike]

from wb, chests and fyrakk assaults

[gusty mirage]

and our bdk had to solo 1.5m

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

those aren't loot spec locked

they're random

[spice spire]

That’s any loot, yeah

[gusty mirage]

so druids can get healing items if they're feral

etc

[limber lion]

So it works like it should

[tawny pike]

really?

it never happened to me before

[limber lion]

Sure it did

[grim jay]

snake is known to lie to new people

[limber lion]

All rares in 10.0 dropped completely random crap

[grim jay]

but in this case its true

[night perch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[limber lion]

The loot you get in m+ is always to your spec

but open world stuff very rarely is

[rigid shore]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Man idk what I even snaked

[grim jay]

same

[silk bane]

SURELY THIS IS THE PULL

[raven knoll]

Neltharions lair looks like the shittiest dungeon from this seasons dungeon pool.

[subtle tundra]

i liked it in legion

uwu

[silk bane]

it is one of the dungeons of all time for sure

there dont seem to be big pulls so its just a little boring

[subtle tundra]

brackenhide seems BAD

[silk bane]

nah brackenhide has masive pulls

looks like a banger fun key

[subtle tundra]

mobs running away

not fun

[vocal basalt]

Did they tone down the poison

Or plague or whatever it was

[thorn fjord]

Uld felt nice

[gloomy lake]

Did whispyr drop a new rotation for m+? I thought I saw it in here before but didn't see it in the faq or in the pins

[subtle kiln]

any gamers?

[weak horizon]

are we taking stepsis again?

[flint tusk]

it's giga cursed

[subtle kiln]

wait til fuu is done cooking.

[junior aurora]

fuu burning down the kitchen with all the sin rogues in it

"enjoy hell"

[subtle kiln]

[flint tusk]

it's got whispyr crying in the corner

[subtle kiln]

he should have went warrior. lol

[fast stag]

Hi, I have a question, I’m starting. I have an action bar (number 1) or spells darkens when I get camouflaged. Is that normal? How can I change it if possible? Thank you

[subtle kiln]

rogue gameplay sinking faster than the titanic

[flint tusk]

it's because you can't use Ambush and Sap outside of stealth

[proper tapir]

Just like how the finishers are also dark when you have no CP

[fast stag]

Yes, but even spells that can be used while being camouflaged are invisible also when I am camouflaged

But only on this action bar

[near valley]

maybe it requires a target b4 it lights up?

[woeful cipher]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful cipher]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[glossy grove]

when is m+ comming out

when is the reset

[grim jay]

same as always

it will prolly take them longer tho

[opaque relic]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[opaque relic]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

6 hours ago

[shell cloud]

What's the highest il dagger i can craft at this moment?

[glossy grove]

in ewu

EUW

not NA

[balmy condor]

then whenever your servers come up

[balmy condor]

447

[cedar silo]

whats the bis trinkets currently the m+ ones or raid

[clever sapphire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kwTSC9DpyTbsLFzqQXojAn

also in the sheet

[gusty mirage]

so

how did it end up

[grim jay]

pretty close

barely overtime

[silk bane]

the worm won. our disc had a mental breakdown LOL

only 89 deaths

[ornate raptor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ebon notch]

nelths lair demonic

[ornate raptor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[mortal tusk]

Hey, why do we pick gouge and trick instead of blackjack and master poisoner in "Raid" Talent ?

[proper tapir]

none of those talents matter

pick whatever you want

[woeful cipher]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[mortal tusk]

I feel like 0.8 damage reduction is better for raid survability

[normal mist]

then use it

and

Where did you check the raid talents where it said "gouge + trick" instead of blackjack + M.P" ?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019199475421552651/1068314651877707816/image.png?width=810&height=474

[mortal tusk]

in fuu and whysper sim

[normal mist]

Weird, assassination FaQ has that one

Tbf, in Whispyrs sim, it doesnt really matter, those specific talents do not add dps, which is what he's looking for in the sims

[mortal tusk]

yeah I get it.

[blazing jewel]

why is jpc playing sin

what cursed timeline is this

[keen spruce]

well normal was pretty faceroll

[indigo ginkgo]

!fu

[royal lantern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[viscid spear]

Elaborate

[keen spruce]

3rd boss is bugged and applied the poison dot to everyone as if they were hit by a swirly

we burned an 18 down to a 15 then just gave up lol

[viscid spear]

Doing a 12 NL now

[wide ridge]

what are our best trinkets this season?

[vapid sierra]

Check the wowhead guide under best gear

[turbid schooner]

stat prio still the same for sin this tier or did they change stuff

[storm forum]

Should still be crit > mast > haste > vers but Whispyr and Fuu are still simming stuff so we'll see/have confirmation when they're done

[proud basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wispy iris]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

its in the sheet

[storm belfry]

yeah just had that bug

and we called it

[hoary kernel]

You only use the import talents in the sheet once you have 4 piece correct? Until then we still use ST from last patch for raid?

[storm belfry]

wait actually i dont think its bugged

[storm belfry]

toxic retch? unless im reading it wrong it says it applies a debuff to everyone for 5 secs

[split grail]

Has our opener or rotation changed at all?

[past forum]

just so im understanding it correctly, the only cds you actively synch are deathmark and vanish. everything else you just use on cd?

[split grail]

You'll want to synch a shiv with dm too...unless that's change

[gusty mirage]

just loot the mount guys

[near valley]

Trying to act all cool, but the "OH SHIT" gives you up

[vapid sierra]

You hold dm or exsang depending on boss kill timer. You want the most pairs of exsang dm combos by the end of the boss kill. (If I understood whisp properly yesterday)

[near valley]

GG though @gusty mirage

[storm belfry]

you are gaming

[near valley]

Ur not pressing exsang without DM for the majority of the time

Only exception would be if a boss dies b4 DM comes up but u got Exsang up

At least I think so

[bitter aurora]

😄

[near valley]

Gratz

[boreal valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[minor gate]

how was the raid guys

[hollow river]

it looks really good so far ngl

[sick sail]

Guys. I was dead last as assa in LFR. Quit the game. Then casually seeing you guys loot amazing gear is making me wanna return.

Relying on wowhead rotations

[gusty mirage]

[minor gate]

thats great but i should rephrase

how are we doing in the raid guys

[hollow river]

still slightly soon to be asking, but my guess is not super great compared to the sims

but no one really has tier yet or hardly any gear lol

[minor gate]

fair

but we didnt look good in sims either

also how high of a ring do i need to ditch a 395 eranog one

[real notch]

What’s everybody’s thought of the tier? Better than last tier?

[minor gate]

sin tier

the specs not got 2 asses in the name for nothing

or just raid tier

[hollow river]

that's a sim it angle for sure

[minor gate]

frfr

got a 20 m+ season 1 vault slot

bet thatll beat it

[velvet haven]

just incase im blind, is there a recommended slot to put the toxic patch on?

[dire jackal]

pumping fr fr

[idle gorge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[restive falcon]

whats the tier slot that we dont want

[balmy condor]

we want all of them

[restive falcon]

we want 5/5

aight tyty

[cinder bison]

what is the dps % increase for 2 and 4 pc?

[cinder bison]

ty

[vapid sierra]

do i just run st build if we pulling almagamatio nchamber together?

and also what should my opener look like on 2 targets?

[balmy condor]

probably would run a 2 target build

you'd spread garrrotes then dm one of them

[storm belfry]

2 target is picking up ct?

[balmy condor]

yeah

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

you either run the 2 target build

or the cleave build

like

cleave add

[storm belfry]

i see

the one that drops VR

[balmy condor]

yeeah

that entire dtb+ap section

is basically a cheat sheet for "what if I have to cleave"

and then you can pick whatever flavor you think would be best

[carmine dawn]

shit i did not look at any gear

[storm belfry]

ty whisp

[vapid sierra]

so if im running a cleave build without ic would i do something like

exsang snd switch exsang rupture serrated switch serrated rupture exsang then dm?

wait i forgot ct

fuck

[misty holly]

These dungeons feeling like they have mechanics that punish dot classes way more than the last set.

[vapid sierra]

wait how bad would it be to sim a 2t build and see the opener it does?

a cleave and then a st build

[misty holly]

Like last boss brackenhide, totem pops up and you have 6 seconds to kill it. Great all my attacks are efficient over 20 seconds, not 6

in 6 seconds I do jack shit.

[vapid sierra]

maybe hold shiv and envonem spam or some shit?

[balmy condor]

all the dtb combos are linked

just look at that

[balmy condor]

nice triple exsang

[vapid sierra]

fuck i meant garrote

[balmy condor]

[vapid sierra]

[sudden brook]

[balmy condor]

mages and hunters sandbagging for sure

do not believe the wizards lies

[somber fractal]

is ominous trinket bis?

[vapid sierra]

im competing with my unholy dk

sin better than i thought

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

my unholy dk is doing over 100k on the earlier fights

[somber fractal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

I can't even pretend to keep up with that

[split grail]

Is new 2piece worth swapping right into or wait for 4piece?

[vapid sierra]

ours hit 90 on firsat boss

we're doing normal night for fun rn tho

we start heroic prog friday

[restive falcon]

2 sark daggers dropped and the mount

[viscid spear]

Quake got the dagger from first boss, so starts another season

[restive falcon]

im only rogue so easy

[balmy condor]

4 -> 2+2 -> 4

[storm belfry]

oh really

just in raid or is taht for m+ also

[split grail]

ty

[split grail]

Also: I've asked but never got a response. Is our opener or rotation changing at all?

[balmy condor]

no

[split grail]

ty again

[balmy condor]

np

[dry copper]

so no CT in ST? huh

[sick sail]

thought i asked this earlier, best thing to craft for us? wep?

[gaunt moat]

Why are the EU servers not down? 🤔

[frigid pilot]

@balmy condor on shit they named a boe after u

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

weapon -> boots

[gray hazel]

the Class trink still poop for us ya?

[sick sail]

thank you so much for the reply @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

yah dogshit

[gray hazel]

Thanks!

[restive falcon]

so i just got x2 normal sark daggers and now 1 heroic dagger from first boss, i just use 1 sark to 437 and the heroic one to 441? or am i dumb and not understanding

err yea nvm i misread the upgrade sheet

[spice spire]

you're buying into the propaganda. Don't do it guy, hold strong.

[frigid pilot]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wind condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sudden brook]

[past bobcat]

We use the crit phial?

[spice spire]

who bought you

[onyx linden]

Is elementium pocket anvil still trash? It looks like raidbots has an outdated version of it

[balmy condor]

it's okay post buff but not great

[balmy condor]

vers

[boreal valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[onyx linden]

alright thanks

[regal crest]

Is the Irideus Fragment bis

[balmy condor]

it's tied for bis yes

[ebon cloud]

when trinket sims Sadge

[wind condor]

raid seems really fucking good for sin

9/9n and just got 5/9 H for night one, and I've been RIPPIN

[outer cairn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[outer cairn]

How is Sin comparing to Sub so far? We were raiding tonight and I went in as Sub, but with everything being so much ST

[gaunt moat]

Just a reminder that sin was performing well in heroic vault.

But mythic was a different story

[cold spoke]

when did they nerf exsang

before or during hc?

cant remember

[gaunt moat]

3rd week of expansion

[outer cairn]

I heard there is a team with 3 sin rogues in mythic

[gaunt moat]

WFR gonna get us nerfed again 🥲

[tawny pike]

which embelishment we use on the weapon?

[outer cairn]

none at the moment. right now its supposed to be toxic boots and toxic patch

[vapid sierra]

we dont

use embel on weapons

[tawny pike]

wow

[wind condor]

BIIIG night 1 2p

lets fucking go boyz

[gaunt moat]

[somber fractal]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[paper hazel]

I'm sure it's been asked tonight, but are we running 2-2 tier until 4pc?

[balmy condor]

yes

[outer cairn]

I did get 2p tonight. THinking I might make the swap back

only reason I went sub was for Raz

see how things shake out

[storm belfry]

i got one piece

[timber pawn]

can you cloak the Sark rock hide shit

[tawny pike]

do we have a list of bis to chase on m+ like the puzzle box was for the previous season?

[thorn fjord]

Fragment and dice I think our the ones to try for I think atm

[teal bloom]

[balmy condor]

dice suck

don't farm dice

[storm belfry]

[tawny pike]

any recommendations?

[balmy condor]

from m+ it's just fragment

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[balmy condor]

that's it

m+ trinkets sucks

all of them

[tawny pike]

oh alright

[dawn kelp]

How’d we do tonight boys

[tawny pike]

killed magmorax on normal even though my game kept getting drops on fps to like 2fps

[balmy condor]

7/9H

wait

no

8/9

[dawn kelp]

that’s sick!

[balmy condor]

we breezed pretty hard

[brazen zodiac]

zkarn is fun c:

[outer cairn]

sheesh. my top gear diff between sub and sin seems pretty significant

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3iQr287GnA5HGBiRCeE1h4

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gH8dBpuuBBfMqfG4yJYvKC

[deft vault]

sub is undersimming right now tho

[outer cairn]

oh yeah?

[deft vault]

yeah read sub pins

[outer cairn]

oh right. i'm exhausted

i know i saw that

wait it out anyways. not trying to jump the gun and pay for mistakes by wasting resources

[lilac haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[digital mica]

is it worth upgrading a heroic dagger?

[balmy condor]

probably not at first

you're gonna want to craft a dagger

and that'll be your mainhand forever

and the offhand is not really that important

better off spending the resources on something else

[digital mica]

understood ty

then is it worth crafting a dagger week 1 or you still recommend waiting

[balmy condor]

yeah

send a dagger

[gray hazel]

Second spark next week I take it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[haughty flicker]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[somber fractal]

is windfury better for sin or sub?

[thick sail]

Anyone know why I'm getting this message in Simcraft: "Seri's code did something that's not handled well"

The simulator hasn't been able to run for weeks

[subtle tundra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gray horizon]

Ran through normal and 2H tonight, not a single upgrade

[trail root]

so how long is the Onyx Annulet going to be in use?

[gray horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/forever-sandlot-the-sandlot-gif-13526090

[trail root]

please no

[subtle tundra]

do NOT eat photovoltaic panels

i repeat

do NOT

[somber fractal]

do we know if the nelth class trinket is good after the buff?

[subtle tundra]

i feel like in underrot you'd play AP DTB

[rancid blaze]

where is the shadowflame incantation table located at?

[frigid python]

Whats our off tier piece?

[final star]

Pin is outdated, was fixed late last night

[cedar silo]

sophic still our best wep enchant

[silk bane]

this is uh one of the keys of all time

[gusty mirage]

yeah

top notch dungeon

2nd boss is a blast

[keen spruce]

neltharion's lair

is illegal

[silk bane]

like whos actually designing these things? Im so tired of bosses where the mechanic is 'jump

like wtf is that

btw oxi did u do the raid yet

its like disappointing ngl. atleast on heroic... everything just gets one shot all the way till nelth. then nelth is like 7 pulls amx

[royal lantern]

oh look, outdates dungeons nobody wants are tuned bad

what a suprise

[silk bane]

who saw this coming?

clearly there was no way anyone coulda guessed right?

[royal lantern]

srsly, dungeon rotation COULD be a good idea

if they would actually do it in a decdnt way, aka take dungeons that work for m+ from ~legion onward, and HEAVY balance them

[velvet haven]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

with the way they did it in S1 and it seems to be in S2 again, i wish they just fuck off with that entire rotation and Just do normal DF dungeons

atleast those would be fixed after 1season, instead of getting replaced by new shity ones that are a mess for months again

[silk bane]

its like the balance is something else, yeah these are kinda fucked and theyll fix it later on, its the mechanics

theyre so stupid and ba

like oh no big mob casting? go in triangle

not casting on you dont go in triangle

or jump

its just so dumb

[ionic fox]

Do we have API yet so my RL knows if I should get tier or not? xD

[silk bane]

yeah use latest

in raidbots

[ionic fox]

me no understand lol

[silk bane]

I think sin should be fine on nightly but sub u need to be on latest.

[ionic fox]

Oh i meant the spreadsheet but looks like we do. So we get more ST out of last raids 2p plus this raids 2p?

lmfao

[strange python]

Wtf is this sepsis tech

[stable bluff]

Please tell me Blizz has improved multi target dmg...

[subtle tundra]

[static glacier]

👽

[icy fjord]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[slow tulip]

oh, nice

we paly with sepsis now

[balmy condor]

Ain’t nobody playing that shit lmao

[slow tulip]

[subtle tundra]

did exsang get reworked yet

[slow tulip]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

wait this doesn't hold sepsis

wtf is it doing

[slow tulip]

sepsis is fun

[static glacier]

Why were you holding it anyway

Vanish covers dm, thus sepsis is just send

[balmy condor]

because you're trying to abuse the tier set

tier set is every 2 min

but I'm looking at the sims for it

and it just blasts it

so I don't really get whats happening

[uneven summit]

What´s the first craft people are doing?

[balmy condor]

dagger

[static glacier]

Perhaps trying an apl where it holds and seeing if it’s worth. I suspect if you lose a use it’s better to send

[balmy condor]

it doesn't even empower garrote for dm

wtf

[static glacier]

Gigachad sim

[balmy condor]

sepsis at 0:02, ambush gaming

ambush at 1:30 out of tier or anything, garrote

[slow tulip]

big

[balmy condor]

deathmark at 2:16, vanish at 2:29

huge

[slow tulip]

just send everything on CD

win

[balmy condor]

sepsis at 3:06, garrote

sepsis at 4:30, this one actually lads in the tier bonus

[green juniper]

guys do we need any quest to do aberrus raid

[green juniper]

!whispyr

[balmy condor]

bro what the fuck

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

hello??????????????????????

vanish gar, sepsis gar

you're telling me this is better?

[slow tulip]

whispyr is entertained xDDD

[balmy condor]

this shit is TROLLING

how is this better

[slow tulip]

just send it

[ashen warren]

Yeah, just send it

[balmy condor]

man I wanna think about my rotation

[slow tulip]

you CD smt off CD - send

BIG

[balmy condor]

if I wanted to press the weakaura that glows the brightest I would play dogshit outlaw

[slow tulip]

[slow tulip]

this is the new law now

[subtle tundra]

i like MEN

[static glacier]

You just have to juice up the WAs enough to play sin like that too 👽

[winged quail]

Outlaw tier baby

[balmy condor]

I don't mind this version of sepsis as much to be fair because you're not just perma overwriting your imp gars

but like

what the fuck

it's just launching it

with no regard

[ashen warren]

Can we get sepsis icon now

[winged quail]

Yeah fuck that

[static glacier]

The problem with DM timing is I can’t figure a way you’d not lose a whole sepsis use to fit it into the tier

[slow tulip]

i like sepsis 🙂

more than exsang

[subtle tundra]

how good is stepsis in m+?

[slow tulip]

atleast

[balmy condor]

that was my issue with it

[static glacier]

Over 5m

[subtle tundra]

oh its bad i forgot you have to take doomblade

[balmy condor]

probably awful considering you'd have to give up a capstone for it

[subtle tundra]

great design

[balmy condor]

aight

the question is

can I make sepsis

somewhat playable

without being outlaw

[deft flicker]

Yes

[winged quail]

No

[subtle tundra]

please no

[balmy condor]

I cannot believe that this is the optimal sepsis rotation