#assassination
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!whispyr
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Is the sin faq updated? like builds, etc.
Oh shit. Arterial precision is kinda close to standard DTB now. Could be good on prog when raid is floor POV and it just 1 rog 1 tank 1 healer finishing the boss
Feelcrafting puts that at a dps gain to not play exsang LOL
When 50% of the time I use it wrong
even more diff in favor of exsang would still make it worth to not use it if you fail it
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How much you guys simmed at the end of s1 for DungeonSlice?
I simmed 106k today while trying to adjust my character for m+
With 421ilvl
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!whispyr
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that's a cat
about 115k
How the fuck cat knows to press Enter
Really?
cats are smart as fuck
Not sin tho @winter gale
especially when it comes to fucking with stuff
Thought i was in Sub channel mb
I meant sin spec
Yeah figured
Better, where would I find those 10k š
new secret build, importing it in game
why do we still use onyx ring?
because it's good
what about eranog ring?
Believe if itās a 421 eggnog ring we use it until we get a 450 ring
how do i get a PhD in assassination?
!whispyr
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Sin to the moon 145k sim with that build donāt tell anyone
Convince your raid lead they need you
They do
dude my rl/gm fucked up this tier
last tier we had like 4 rogues
so he asked if anyone wanted to swap
and we all swapped
and now we dont have a rogue
rogue is cuttable tbh

atrophic is good but i dont think its mandatory
Lol same story with our guild, we had 3 now Iām the only one left, and Iām otp sin player
i was planning to keep my rogue up for M+ anyways cause i dont rly like shadow for keys
"with this simple trick"spec=demonology
False the natural transition would be UH
Cmon youāre better than that @vestal wren

can we convince our RLs that we're the best spec for getting every external?
why did my gm tell me ill have to play outlaw
dude my gm told me I had to play holy
Nah I'm good
i cant play outlaw
Tell him your fingers can not move that fast
like i havent played it once this expac
Enjoy the non-external gaming while you still can
Prob read some BS on the interwebz
i havent played holy since legion
Before Blizzard introduces 100 new externals
pog
do you think hunter or rogue gets the bard spec?
when they give every spec a new support spec
who have 80% of the power in their externals
but rogue is the melee wl 
idk if we want a support spec
I donāt lol
but every spec is getting one
in this mythological 100+ support ability future
top parses will be 1 dps + 19 supports
yooo
Lemme shadowstep the tank and slam crimson vials down their throat
Toss a quick AOE cloak of shadows
i been farming
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Assa is pretty decent, and fun
Some nice moments with Carnage
Nice! Fun yeah? Or no?
I lvld a third rogue in assa spec, was cool
@balmy condor, with these AP/DTB builds do we shiv in the last 1sec of our first shiv?
No?
What would that achieve
Is that build for some fights in raid?
It can be
Itās basically the evolution from single target to aoe
Through cleave talents
If thatās of value on some of these fights
Is a bit challenging to know
Interesting rumors considering itās the worst of the three rogue specs in every pve situation currently
mmmm
worst in the top 3 worst spec
even single target?
Yes
i love misinformation
so much dooming lately
Itās one of the worst single target specs in the game with the info we have
how is it dooming when its based on sims
The data we have
Iām struggling to justify a objective reason to play Assassination given the numbers Iām looking at
What would your other option be?
xD
i do like ass
Iām just learning all specs and waiting this week to see what bosses favor which specs tbh
Personally the other option would be sub
But like
I donāt wanna play gloomblade simulator
I hate sub. Might just ride it out till outlaw gets fixed

what's broken about outlaw
mediocre
XD
fair
And it cant catch sub in M+
Its not far behind
at least sin is the only rogue spec now that isnāt the affected by downtime sub and outlaw both seem as affected as ever
so is sin and so is sub
People act like sub is massively ahead of outlaw, and not like its just slightly better on big pulls 
I mean....

Yeah when doing 25's / 26s it makes a difference
well sin might be bad
Not again 
It was true in bfa 
Get a talking point that isnāt older than you
perchance
my 99% buff chance forecast is still going
I like this stuff 
This is anti-dooming
We wait together for the buffs ā¤ļø

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Sorry, abusing cantrips is the future old man
Not allowed to do damage as a spec
šØ š“ šØ š°
sin is my life cant swap 
Meta play is to learn all 3 specs to really get the full realization to how bad it is š
Sin is the way
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Rogue is the way Sin is just preferred
weird take 
Is it tho?
TOO meta for me 
sin is the way rogue is preferred
Cooked take but bring back S4 fated OL plz
my takes will always be cooked af 
Thanks, well I wasn't sure if the nature buff with ttb on multi targets would be worth more than clipping shiv for 1 sec.
Shiv does physical damage
Playing it for 3 years... Never realized that, it has a green icon ffs

Happens
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I miss it
btw I played outlaw for 1 tier (think I lost 10yrs minimum on my fingers) and sub was unplayable for 3,5 patches and now I'm not good at it anymore 
I miss being excited to play wow
true and based
Same
Sub is easy to re-learn in its current state
And OL slowed down a little bit
im so hyped to go into a new tier with this many single target bosses. i couldnt play assasiner this tier bcz all bosses have add/aoe but now its all single target i can go back to best spec š
samee
unholy dk?
I tried but it wasnt fun enough with how it played in this patch
assasiner! (assernation)
I'll show you an asser nation
and sin was turbo at start (KB was playable)

i wish kingsbane was real
DAMN
I wish I could be as hot as @earnest remnant
got me feeling some type of way
wouldn't say unholy dk around here. people seem to think its perfectly balanced and not the best melee

is most player here raider or mythic plus? i liek mystical raid best with guild or pug, but also sometiem been m+ push for high key. is depend on player or?
i mean you still had TB to line up so its not SUPER different from how it was at S1 start
idk playing exsang and kb at the same time makes me feel like i couldnt pick one so i picked both 
and hate sbs
I dont even know what that is
without PI it isnt that far ahead of rogue tbf
just new reagent to make dracothyst another new reagent that sells for alot
We love UH out here whatchu mean?
im just doing it to make gold for the tier
I respect the effort. If I feel like it and need some gold I just boost
would probably rather buy tokens than farm smth
HIII, why my crit on add sucks but on putch they aren't bugged ?
could you try rewording that?
might be me, but I dont really get your question
I mean
i don't get why it do that, is it me or ?
you have 83 more hits on the boss
so lets say you have a 50% chance to crit, there's a chance that you fail that 50/50 every hit
which on 14 hits
could skew one way or another
vs 100 hits where you'll likely even out to 50% crit
@gusty mirage I thought he meant that on one his lowest crit hit was 880
ye ye, but why my crit max damage or lower than normal ? that's weird no ?
We love you out here 
on one cast
guys hear me out, imma roll into raid first day rocking KB to sandbag for buffs
rasz takes reduced damage when transitioning phases I think
yes that as well
i did pull were we don't down razsa (and no shield phase) and that was the same
when she's phasing she takes 99% reduced damage
thats a good point
Hairless activity
Gonna just look bad
Donāt do that to yourself big homie
it's fine
he can just say he's getting used to the new patch
it's actually a 5000 iq play
no one reads up on other classes
no one knows if something changed or not
^spot on
True my raid lead asked me whatās the go to rogue spec rn and I said sin

Evil
Dr. Atnos said so
and he's a doctor
I mean tbh they seem close enough so 
Yeah well Iām Cyon
And Iām a sinner
Okay that was cringe I will see myself out. Someone meet me out back
My head hurts
my RL still thinks he needs atropic
job done 
stahp
man I can't get enough of the dratnos content
Blunt sesh out back
if I see that list one more time I'll suffer irreversible damage
you're a streamer too!!
but no doctor
Thatās the kicker
Yeah but I donāt make a tier list and claim to know how good ele shaman is in comparison to frost mage when I donāt play either of those specs
Got get your doctorate @balmy condor then you can mold the meta as you see fit
Holy shit thereās going to be so many fotm sin rerollers
yet
whispyrbolt coming out of the closet soon
Iāll beat them into a pulp if they show their face here donāt worry
but he does stuff with THE best TC out there
thats what happened to me
Love dunking on idiot misguided meta slave cucks
good times

Get āem to sub first tho
He used to play Assa, guess he is positively biased.... a bit
I actually did a 25 AA last season as sin. on first pull they realized im sin and they were legit crying and saying i ruined their key. I just said play it out, we timed with like 40 seconds left, and I beat a boomkin getting PI in overall... then boomkin and dh insta left and tank and healer appologized for them and said they didnt know sin was so strong.
he gave the ol "if there's downtime you wanna be sin" argument, clearly not a whispyr guide reader
then they said its crazy that all 3 rogue specs are so op and thats when it all went to shit
so in exsang opener
it says vanish garrote when exsang runs out
when it runs out on garrote?
rofl, functional = op, I am lost
you heard the man, shiv got a 20% buff, it's insane
gotta be a 𤔠to ever come to that conclusion
its absurd, all raid tier i listened how my spec is op in guild chat while i am 4-7th on details depending on fight
that 1 heroic week left a mark
ok guys stop shitting on him, he is just trying to get some money in
that kingsbane build the first month left a fucking crater in their brains idk
getting ganked in blasted lands that one time 15 yrs ago left one
yo thats me with one of your selfies every night

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do we not like flaming cowl with fire ring anymore?
maybe its time to learn how to read so I can understand the spreadsheet xd
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I'm kind of a lurker but u guys (or the numbers rather) are depressing me lately with this patch 10.1 but I stay focused on the path of sin and i'll continue being happy becuase i know we'll get buffed and we'll rule. Everyone will reroll because fotm and we'll laugh on their faces believe

Are the percentage buffs live already or next reset?
reset
I prog Raz as sub for 300 pulls. The moment I switched to Sin my guild 1 shots, clearly Sin is just OP
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!fuu
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I'm curious why they put BM that low
cause it's bad in M+
There are a lot of curious things about that list
same
i think bm does even lower dmg than assa

the tier list isn't the worst thing
i mean sub in C ain't it ofc
would have to see the video for the reasoning tbh
"Sub has a lot of bugs and the new tier set is not good"
"sin recently got buffed, so i would generally put sin in B because of the rogue utility"
I believe in the Sin dream
ah yes, the argument for sin
If I remember correctly they said the value of Sins AOE silence is underrated and that was a major reason for putting it here.
But like
they trying to help get Sin into keys
Yet they dont mentioned sub being buffed in the exact same patch 
public service
What?
you don't get it
sub didn't get 20% to shiv
ye they said if you bring an evoker and press dunno which button so silence stays longer
and sub is "its buggy and undertuned and got nerfed, and nightstalker still not fixed"
how do you win a fight in prison?
with a shiv.
rogue is in bad dps prison
so assassination wins
Lol
because shivs are most effective in prison
did they talk about AoE soothe for the first area in underrot?
rogue toldagor meta inc
it didn't
i'm pretty sure AP isn't even taken in M+
dagger
weapon
boots are simming better tho
i dont care how bad it is, you cant stop me
people think I'm memeing with my prison fight reference too

LMMFAO HAHAHAHA
dude assa is BiS in prison, AP shiv, you just multikill
wtf u mean?
at this point
OL got a pistol shot
that is true
wtf is a shiv going to do
where does outlaw even get the pistol from
y'all smuggling in pistols with your butt?
yeah but you ever think how you get the pistol in prison?
a good sin knows how to los

its not worth it
pulls it outta it's ass like usual
Yes
you hemorrhage out in 6 seconds
Itās better than role playing as a purple ninja and dying while performing my imaginary jutsu
easy, you dont bring a gun to a knivefight
Like, what class? Or game in general
If my wep is maxed from season 1 using the spark on it just makes it upgradeable for season 2 right? The recraft menu keeps the ilvl the same

Hmmmmmm
play Honkai Star rail
Gesundheit
how do you feel about fighting games?
Bored of PoE?
PoE more like PoS amirite?
and weeb shit
he needs it more than I do apparently
tbf @gusty mirage if u haven't played mass effect b4 u could give that a go
bro LOVE mass effect games
Just been grinding since promotion
I even liked andromeda
not sure if that was you or some other orange name though
same
it had something about it that made me not wanna hate it
I think its the fact that everyone hated it
plus i liked the combat better
because of bad face animations or some shit
yeah the combat in andromeda was top notch
im here because of the tier list
andromeda was good man, i will die on that hill
ryder>>>>>>shepard
cyberpunk was good
try a dif job or whatever the fuck the classification was
yeah mine has a graphics bug
it was rendering trees bright as fuck through walls
10/10 experience
i take "young person that has to fill way to big shoes and needs to save everyone, and is extremely insecure about it and has a actual character arc" over "generic military man" any day lol

bruh wdym? Shepard was goated in 1 and 2
in 3 though it was whatever
also the whole morality part of the games were pretty bad
it's either do the right thing
or be a complete psychopath
just like irl wdym
true
wtf thats toxic
have to live up to my reddit hype
so if i wanna outlaw sin multispec, the best first craft would be a oh/mh dagger wouldnt it? or is that something to sim
but it was more chaos for the sake of chaos
like you could literally let a planet die because u just wanted to
are you telling me I have 16240 troll posts in here
if you plan on playing a good amount of outlaw you might be better off making something else, cause I know outlaw's gonna want the underrot fistweapon
for oh? it could main hand it
if ur multispeccing just make the dagger tbh
lmao ik
dagger
my issue is i dont know what fucking spec i wanna main'
thats why im trying to convein to both
i did
just make the dagger if you wanna multispec
i need to pick one for prog
youre not gonna get a good answer for craft if otl/sin are your options
what?
i do
it really just depends in what ratios youd play the specs
ur an abomination so you don't count
WOAH
crafting dagger would be slight grief as outlaw
what kinda prog wants you to only play one
not like it matters in a month but yeah

i can't make fun of zac and now tryan?
wtf is this
i feel oppressed
zac is my son
pls direct all fun poking at @spice spire
Who are you talking to right now? Who is it that you think you see? Do you know how high my parses are in vaults? I mean, even if I tell you, you wouldnāt believe it. Do you know what happens if I suddenly decide to stop meowing? A boss big enough it could be listed on the ASP goes belly-up. Gone. It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly donāt know who youāre talking to so let me clue you in. I am not in danger of being meowed at. I am the danger. A guy opens his front door and gets meowed at, and you think that of me? No. I am the one who meows.
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@drifting cloud what do you play when you're bored of wow
god bless

new patch soon eh?
what encahnts does sin want? im out of loop lmao
financially invested in that game>
ive played like 2h of wow a week
for waepons
last 3months
sin will play sophic devotion
again?
yep
can drop them for the new shadowflame if you get a helm upgrade
same as last tier p sure
I have spent less money in lost ark than wow sub has cost same timeframe, just dont talk if you have no clue
i have cowl + eranog ring
there was meant to be a question mark at the end of that kek
so wouldnt it be good to drop cowl and grab shadowflame?
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you can yeah, if you have an ilvl piece higher than 421
Me rn with Puzzle box, 421 icon, 421 eranog ring and cowl knowing I won't be switching from them for a while
real feelsbad moment lol
what's a puzzle box?
oxi you lebanese?
yessir
farming the most useless crests as well
same lmao, saw the pfp banner


curious about the opener and bone spike, should I use all 3 stacks of bone spike or just 1 and then keep it from capping back to 3 stacks?
going to visit this summer, gonna have fun progging at 3am on 150 ping
as much as I know where oxi's pfp is from, the only way I can picture him is as Charlie
rules to follow for SBS: don't cap charges, spread bonespike to everything that doesn't already have the dot, and save a charge if you know an add is about to spawn
besides that, blast away
I was gonna head there in August, but its bad man
tyvm
use 1 on pull, prevent capping, use when low energy and cant use mut/ambush, keep charges for adds when they spawn

I'll come tuck you in dw
future man
yes

work is still a thing
God I hope not
bro if you don't stop Imma call you and sing taylor swift for you
what song?
idk any of her songs
I'll have to google it
but we make due
do?
due?
idk anymore
do
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im assuming outlaws st sim of 132k is not correct on fuus sheet?
I say this with love but keep yourself safe
@spice spire
sounds about right
done
Thatās like one of her more tolerable songs tho
it's a good song ngl
also this implies you listened to quite a few
Youāre missing critical lore friend 
you strike me as a Shake it Off kinda guy
always am smh
My fiancĆ©e is a hardcore swiftie and Iām very not
And she was in town this past weekend when we didnāt have tickets
you will learn to embrace it
oh i was confused because of the embellishments
they reverted it
How many CPs are we finishing on?
vers affects embellishments again
max-1
Thank ya
i looked at the actual sim and see thorn footwraps and patch on belt
i assume based off the findings probably slimy boots instead, just a typo possibly on the embellishments
Correct
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slimy + dagger still the play over lariat right?
then throw patch on an already crafted piece of gear eh
dm me for coaching
dratnos and tettles dont know shit about sin rogue huh
Omw
sin in B and sub in C tier?
āAbout sin rogue huhā was extra
lmfao
lmfao
kk
anyone who uses a tier list based on their feelings just shows how clueless they are imo
he just does it for clicks though and that's all people want
And even tierlists based on data can be kinda scuffed (see subcreation)
I mean they still try to do it to somehow of their best ability
they just always use the meme disclaiomer
as an easy copout
yeah max is different because well people do it for him lol
its just double-dip content because they can just revisit them in 2-3months for even more content!
yeh and people who actually play the classes xD
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Hello - new here, but I've been reading all day - been playing assassination since Legion, so know the spec quite well, but I feel like the single target build for me is not performing - early wipe, I was doing 60k+ dmg on single targets, now only doing 30kish on single target while in the AoE/Mythic+ build, I can do AoE dmg hovering around 80k but still 30k on single target in that build...what changed or what am I missing?
This is not enough information to give an informed opinion on your performance
Yeah, just trying to get the conversation started - what would you like
logs?
I only use Details in game
Without logs you'll just be referred to the FAQ
well unless ur details shows something glaringly obvious
There's no other way to know if you're pushing buttons correctly and at the right time
well, to my knowledge I'm not doing anything different than early wipe as far as dps is concerned for button mashing, but the dps is halved, which is why I was curious if anything changed
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I'm guessing you haven't applied poisons to your weapon. That's really the only explanation for dps cutting in half
what does your sim say you should be doing?
applying all 4 since I'm using that ability
what does the scouter say about your power level?
don't have a sim or scouter? more of a casual player tbh, sitting at 407 ilvl atm
bruh if you had a scouter that would be dope ngl
where do I get that
scouter is a DBZ reference
didn't watch it lol
I mean a sim as in
put your character in
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/quick
you've gotta know where you're shooting for to know if you're even doing good or bad for your gear
Have you checked to see if you have logs? If even one person in your group is (public) logging then you can use that.
k, that said 45k I guess - so that still begs the question of how did the spec lose 20k dps from early season 1 mythics with 370 ilvl to 407 ilvl and doing half lol
You can share that sim too, then we can see your talents and gear
sure, had to relog real quick, so blizz had an update >.>
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Canāt find this info in any of the pins. Do we have sim tier set % upgrade for 2 and 4 piece yet?
Roughly 8%
For the 4 piece Iām guessing?
You don't have 4set and the poison based build may be better in that case
ok, I know that all changes starting next week - just felt odd losing that much dps on a single target by getting more gear
so let me get this right to play exsang
A) refresh both rupture and garrote before using it, and use vanish for gar if you have it
B) send on cooldown with ER that way it lines up
C) DONT USE DURING DM
is that about it?
anything missing?
Nah mate, you need gear to do big damage. They have a system to get free 4set and you aren't taking advantage of that. Are you using embellishments?
catalyst is offline
I used it to get the shoulders at one point, but got this higher ilvl shoulder from the new zone, so swapped, never had 4 pcs and i'm more of a casual, so I do Mythic+ with my friends long enough to get the mount and then I just give up on gear tbh
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what is the sin talent that gives us energy based on dots out?
venomous wounds
Just killed terros hc to test my single target damage. Is there anything I'm doing wrong? Wasn't perfect pull and haven't played for a while but I don't know where to start/ what to improve with a green log lol https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xjvwPay6fW1KCXL4/#fight=last&type=summary
Oi ! I've been a sub main since sanctum, and casually playing outlaw, but i'm interested in playing assa next tier. Last time I checked the spec was at legion, quite a long time, but is the spec as hard to play/master as far back in Legion ?
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my money is on feint
What does wow analysis say?
Itās probably the best way of finding glaring issues
Yes opener was a bit weird because someone pulled and i got hit by terros. But is it just shiv usage?
ty
idk tbh, im not the most qualified to give sin advicve
on the otherhand outlaw i can do 
run it through wowanalyzer
im pretty sure wow analyzer is good for sin
^
what whispyr said
he beat me to it
It is
in opener, out of opener?
out of opener
you vanish gar before exsang
what if ion have vanish
you fucked up
gotcha
you always hold exsang for dm
ah you hold it?!?
thought you sent it on cd and waited for it to line up
yeah exsang is useless dogshit on its own
so it would go er>rupture>vanish>garrote>exsang>dm
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/xjvwPay6fW1KCXL4/1-Heroic+Terros+-+Kill+(4:16)/Senyria/standard/overview hm so I think thistle tea and shiv usage is the core issue? Sorry, I'm not familiar with log analyzing since I usually play m+
you're just compressing empty space
thistle tea and shiv was meh, but you exsang'd nothing and your kill time is atrocious
4 min kill with 2 deathmarks
is super rip
whisp is my order right?>
yeah that's fine
ty
there isn't really a set order
it's just conceptually you want to finish->er->rup, because that guarantees you land on an animacharge to max pandemic the rupture
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and you want to vanish->gar to max pandemic the garrote
but which way you do it doesn't matter
you can vanish->gar to get you to 6cp, envenom, er, rup exsang dm
that's fine
or maybe you just envenom'd and you er rup and then vanish gar
that's fine too
is good to do Vanish>gar>gar here?
no
I mean it's not the worst thing
but not really
you're already getting max pandemic from the garrote that's already up
See a decent amount of players doing that here and there on lorgz
good
that's fine
could it be delayed vanish?
no
during opener
it's just not supposed to
It wonāt line up with the second dm
it might not ever line up
Itāll be like 30ish seconds behind
and that's perfectly fine
Yeah
i dont hold
right?>
ty
two things, would i want a 7cp rupture before exang? or is 6 ok? and during opener it says that i should vanish garrote after exsang ends. exsang ends for garrote or all dots?
if you don't have ER, use a 6
well vanish is only garrote, so waiting for rupture to end doesn't make much sense
What do you mean by exsang'd nothing? Shouldn't I use DM right after exsang. But thanks I'll try to find a more decent group to get better results/ lower kill time
you exsang'd at 3:20
ain't a deathmark in sight
so why do people hate on exsang? Whats the issue with it? is it a design issue? it seems functionally fine to me in terms of when to press it
Okay ye tbh I didn't expect 2 exsang in this fight š
snapshotting, clunky, unintuitive
snapshoppting?
it snapshots haste
what dat mean
yeh see
Wonky button that doesnāt really do much alone⦠itās just always been doodoo and not fun to press
let me find my twitlonger
lmao i think i read it
is it from when they changed the nodes
and made dtb and kb share one
so why hasnt blizzed fix? do we know
idk if you shadowblades and some cf's know the spec designers
just because we know designers doesn't mean we know why things happen at blizzard
wait in 4. you say you have to hold deathmark. isnt it the other way around?
What I'm hearing is the buff whispyr wants is 1min exsang :)
for our friend pentagon with the cursed 4 min kill time he would've
huh?
during just normal prog you hold exssang for dm
right?
you confused my ass
aight
4 minutes you don't get a 3rd dm, but you do get a second exsang
your last dm is 2 min, your last exsang is 3 min
you hold dm for the 3 min
5 minutes you do get a 3rd dm, but you don't get a 3rd exsang
ah i see its all about getting the most pairs
yes
exsang
dead fucking useless on its own
if you don't pair it with something
it's actually a 0 dps button
(its more than that, but you can think of it like it is)
So the key is to know how long the boss is gonna be alive. So I should rather avoid using Exsang on its own if I don't get another DM
so for 5 min fights you hold the 2nd exsang for the 3rd dm isnt it?
ups
I mean you'd rather use it than not use it
but generally yeah
you always hold whatever the last cast is
and sync
ye
I really hate Exsang. Never played with it in m+. But it's too much of a dps loss in raid I guess
ight ty whisp for putting up with my slow ass
it's like 1% better
1% better to try and line it up perfectly during itermissions and bullshit
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Really? Thought it would be more like 2-3%. So even less in m+?
in m+ it's basically equal
Youāre a real masochist if you run it in m+ tho
But I didnāt run a single sin key s1 so my opinion is moot
what did you play
sub?
If not exsang, what talent do you pick up with that point?
bless
Split between OL and Sub
But I progged most of vault as sin
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Wasnāt bad really with crafting being a thing
can i change my onyx ring anywhere?
Yeah you can remove the gems at the hub in FR
only there tho?
also my ice stone disappeared so rip
You probably accidentally deleted it
fuck me
Theyāre up now iirc
people arent there tho
Just do it today should take like 30 min maybe an hour
not many
Just look for a custom grp
fair point ty
128k ST seems a little low to other classes is there a reason why it seems so low???
compared to*
every other spec got buffed, our buffs just barely reverted the nerfs we ate the first month of last tier
do you ever use ambush if you dont spec blindside?
except KB is still bad lmao

Nah
if i didnt want exanguinate for the m+ build would i just get master assassin so i can get ironwire or would there be a better nodes?
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this is gone now right
I think you ran into it right before the season 2 updates
so might've been scuffed as it got rolled over to new pages
ill check
Sin looks like an obvious candidate for buffs.
the whole section is gone
But the community is angry when rogue gets buffed and outlaw looks somewhat okay

man outlaw just doesnt really feel like rogue to me, wish i liked it more
the section or the typo
yeh
depends when it gets pulled
and when your cache refreshes
so
could be seconds, or hours
makes sense
at bottom of m+ page
it says next page voti raid tips
not abberus
yeah
that's a template issue
they're still updating
will sort itself out
I can't fix that
Do we know how much ST the 2pce and 4pce give us?
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tyvm!
np

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