assassination

[coarse bear]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

no no, WE LOVE SECONDARY STATS

[cold spoke]

loving them all equally

[balmy condor]

STOP FIGHTING IT

[grand trail]

!whispyer

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hardy dagger]

just craft it with vers for yuge D R

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/seulyien-got7-choke-choking-stranggling-gif-21995593

[grand trail]

127k kek

[balmy condor]

128 with the trinket change

viable

it's almost sub levels of good

[spice surge]

V I A B L E

[winged veldt]

sub is 130/131 only so def gonna be assa with that small of a spread it wont matter in my guild at all ever lol

[grand trail]

but outlaw 132,5!

😄

[cold spoke]

truly special olympics among rogue specs

[earnest remnant]

question is

if that outlaw sim is taking into acount items no longer supposed to work with talents

if they are removing it all from sub

if stuff like cringe ass GS still works im going on bug report spree

[cold spoke]

it works with tier no?

[grand trail]

sims is all that matter

its set to stone

[spice surge]

Just like all the tier list videos ive seen say assa does good damage with low melee uptime since a large part of our damage is from bleeds. And its always just xd

[winged veldt]

pull the trigger and i am there lol

[cold spoke]

assa 4pc surely helps with downtime dps

just sit at the boss for 1min and

[balmy condor]

[cold spoke]

sub doesnt have it easier, im already feelcrafting getting a mechanic and dropping sod early

[fringe oxide]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winged veldt]

early? doesnt it have like a 98% uptime lol?

[cold spoke]

isnt that when youre back stabbing at the boss

[winged veldt]

?

[earnest remnant]

the talent inev extends sod when you backstab or shadowstrike

[balmy condor]

!ts

[prisma monolith]

<t:1683376425:f>

[winged veldt]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lament raptor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winged veldt]

im just dumb lol

[cold spoke]

im not sure whats the uptime without it honestly still should be high i guess

[winged veldt]

nah i get what you are saying now though lol

[mortal tusk]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sonic schooner]

how dare you having a life outside of raidbot

i tthought you were raidbot itself

😔

[limber lion]

Huh

[sonic schooner]

hey Ceve long time o/

[limber lion]

Yo

[brazen fern]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[minor gate]

You’re both WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-rory-charles-graham-rag-n-bone-man-turning-around-the-room-is-spinning-gif-18986961

[winged veldt]

I refuse to accept they arent bots and actually have a life! We cant exist without you!

[storm forum]

Kingsbane -1% from last time

[winged veldt]

damn wowhead news and its "why you should/shouldnt play X class" shit getting annoying lol

[minor gate]

who?

[winged veldt]

whispyr and fuu

[minor gate]

they're only human

afterall

[winged veldt]

nope! with that little "sleep" they are bots. Confirmed

[minor gate]

i refuse to believe whispyr plays sin in m+

[winged veldt]

LOL

[royal lantern]

whisp yes

fuu no

fuu is just moroes acting like a normal person

[weak horizon]

! whispyr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

But Moroes was a normal person

[royal lantern]

whisp doesnt play more m+ than absolutely needed, like any sane human should

[winged veldt]

yea yea! I'm just here to see what magic you worked up lol

[balmy condor]

I don’t recognize that word

[minor gate]

but does he play sin

[balmy condor]

“Sleep”

[balmy condor]

Yes

[winged veldt]

i mean i sleep like 5 hrs and you always around SOOOOOOOOOOOO

[harsh harbor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[minor gate]

you mad man

[winged veldt]

You are an AI

[gray crest]

sleep is the portal that teleports you through time to breakfast

[minor gate]

in m+

[balmy condor]

I don’t eat breakfast

[balmy condor]

Yes

[viscid spear]

whispyr.exe has entered Sleep Mode. Beep boop booop.

[winged veldt]

i mean with a tank that has a brain assa way more fun in m+ than others to me

[minor gate]

but why

[balmy condor]

Because it’s fun

[royal lantern]

good

breakfeast is a lie made by big cereal, dont belive it

[minor gate]

youve gotta teach me man

[balmy condor]

You don’t see me pushing for m+ title

Why does it matter what I play

[minor gate]

its just

idk how people can play sin in m+

its really tough

[winged veldt]

tbh i just want my 20s early and often, the end lol. But I dont want a migraine either that pug tanks cause me as assa in m+ lol

[balmy condor]

Dot everything

I’ll be streaming keys next week though probably

You can watch that

[winged veldt]

1 mob left 3% hp. pulls next pack lol

[minor gate]

neet

[viscid spear]

Valentine's Day is a charade made up by Hallmark and Whitman's to sell cards and chocolates respectively.

[kind ether]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

Catgirls are real and they’re mine you can’t have them

[minor gate]

sadge

[viscid spear]

Well I'm a Catboi

[kindred imp]

Sin in m+ is super fun. Dot everything, focus dangerous mob, focus on interrupts, use tricks to pull extra. So much fun...all while dps keeps going

Hardest part....timing carnage 🤣

[balmy condor]

Disqualified

[balmy condor]

On cooldown is hard?

[minor gate]

i always tried to have before each pack

[frigid kestrel]

I have a blast playing sin in keys

[grim jay]

I think its spelled "seizure"

[frigid kestrel]

I’m also not doing anything extra high either I’m just in the 20 - 23 range so there is that too

Been playing super casual this Xpac so far, gonna get back into the swing of things and raid this patch tho

[balmy condor]

That’s the top of the range for assa

Past that it’s not fun anymore

Cause you get really sad

[mortal tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[civic edge]

Was there any reason shoulders were looking to be the best embel for ass and not the other two? Assuming it works properly

[balmy condor]

Damage number higher

But it can’t stack while the dot is ticking

So it’s dogshit now

[kindred imp]

Well lots of it depends on tank and pack pulls too.

[civic edge]

Was it just simming higher for ass than sub/outlaw? Or was it a damage profile thing

[balmy condor]

Sin tier used to buff embellishments

[balmy condor]

Not really, it follows normal rules of don’t refresh dots on target dying soon, and otherwise it’s on cooldown

Idk how much you can bigbrain it

[broken basalt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[kindred imp]

Hm so if ure killing the pack, its coming off cd, but the next pack is 2 mobs youd pop it? Instead of holding for X seconds for the big pack coming after? :?

[winged star]

isnt this a situational question though. Depending on key levels you're not gonna pop it on a 2 pull pack if there even is one.

[kindred imp]

True. But its not just on cd if u want to maximize it no?

[craggy oak]

When the key is high enough you will usually have it every pack

[kindred imp]

Fair

[tacit otter]

theres no reason to use IC on 2 guys, gives you no benefit

[compact carbon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak tangle]

what happened to the gear watermarking for alts? was that ever a thing and they scrapped it or am i on something

[spice surge]

You get the flightstone reduction on alts yes, if thats what you meant

[oak tangle]

but not the crest one

[spice surge]

yes

[oak tangle]

kk ty

[spice surge]

If it didnt cost crest that would be absolutely awful

Because then the optimal play would be to grind on an alt so you can upgrade more stuff on your main first week

[oak tangle]

look that does indeed sound unreasonable now that i think about it

was it that alts get increased fragment gains

if not near the weekly cap*

[crisp burrow]

wouldnt it only effect your alts tho? Since your main would have higher ilvl gear

[spice surge]

?

My point was that the ideal play would be to get higher ilvl on your alts

So you can upgrade more stuff on your main

[oak tangle]

you would do a high key on alts to upgrade gear on your main for free

[crisp burrow]

So if you had a 424 ilvl weapon on your main, your alt could upgrade up to 424 ilvl without crests.

Ah, yeah I see what you mean

[spice surge]

You would grind on an alt > upgrade 5 items to 441 > log on main and instantly get 5 items to 441 and then grind and get 5 extra items to 441

[oak tangle]

you have 10 crests, per character, if you upgraded each slot to the highest with those crests on different characters, you'd then upgrade allllll slots on your main to that top

[winged veldt]

we as a community would burn that system to the groundday 1 lol

[oak tangle]

day 1 bis

[spice surge]

But now its week 2 bis instead

It is what it is

[crisp burrow]

Do we know how many flightstones we get from m+?

[kind walrus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[molten galleon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice surge]

upto 60 per timed key iirc

[oak tangle]

how about fragments of crests?

[spice surge]

12 if timed, 5 otherwise

[maiden ginkgo]

"Well, we caught basically no changes, but with lariat getting nurfed at least we will get to play around with all the nature dmg procs in the game"

Reads patch notes

Ah, normal rogue day then.

[spice surge]

Lariat nerf doesnt matter

Its the fact that the proc effects got buffed by 100-150%

[maiden ginkgo]

misses the entire point.

[fading wigeon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brazen zodiac]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[uncut echo]

What's the point

You were insanely vague and aloof with your comment

[maiden ginkgo]

That basically nothing has changed except the fun police showed up. Sarcasm must have just launched aswell.

[uncut echo]

Wym fun police

[winged veldt]

Im lost

[spice surge]

Well it being "fun" is incredibly subjective. I dont feel like exsanguinating my deathmark just to get the +40% dmg on my boon faster is fun gameplay

[viscid spear]

Sarcasm in text form? Revolutionary!

[uncut echo]

Yeah fam, I think you may be lost on this take

[plush light]

are we still swapping to toxic boots and patch with oversim being shown

[peak bobcat]

I think whatever makes me do the most damage is fun

[viscid spear]

So you're gonna swap to UHDK?

[minor gate]

one thing i dont get about the dudgeon build is why we dont use twist the knife over amp poison

[peak bobcat]

No I’m a rogue player

[maiden ginkgo]

there wasn't a take. Your stretching for content that doesn't exist. xD

[viscid spear]

You can be a rogue Rogue player and not play Rogue

[uncut echo]

Meirl

[uncut echo]

Then why bait people

[viscid spear]

*you're

[peak bobcat]

I have a balance Druid ready to go

But I’m the token rogue in my guild, rogue prison you might say

[gusty mirage]

I’ll miss you when you swap outlaw

[tiny ember]

!whispyr

[peak bobcat]

Truly sad times

[uncut echo]

I wanted to dethrone whispyr

So bad

But that's toxic

[winged veldt]

I'm trying to figure out what the "Fun police" did atall tbh lol. Nothing was huge or game changing lol

[viscid spear]

Heavy is the hand that writes the guides

[uncut echo]

So I went woyer

[peak bobcat]

If I played in a guild where literally anything I did mattered, I would care more about what class I play

[uncut echo]

Nah there's no take I'm stretching for content xddddd

[gusty mirage]

The 4pc doesn’t apply to all nature damage anymore. Which 99% of players didn’t expect to work anyway because none of our damage amps usually work

And that is somehow tragic

[peak bobcat]

But I play in a comfortable world 350 guild with my friends and I just play rogue

[winged veldt]

I'm here for it but can think of better content than that lol. Guess you that bored huh lol

[maiden ginkgo]

I wasn't baiting anyone. I was making a sarcastic comment about the fun police. is english your first language or are you just made i typed words? XDD

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-meme-reaction-reaction-meme-discord-gif-25956568

[gusty mirage]

Assassination damage amps literally never affected anything.

They were always white listed

[uncut echo]

Real

[gusty mirage]

Not sure why people are shocked pikachu at the 4pc changing

[viscid spear]

tbf Pepperidge Farms makes banging cookies.
Especially the orange chocolate Milanos

[tawny pike]

what happenned this time...

[peak bobcat]

I’m just shocked it’s so bad

[uncut echo]

Why so aggressive?

[bitter aurora]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winged veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-james-franco-meme-hang-gif-16272179

[gusty mirage]

I’m shocked that havoc is also dogshit and they buffed generators havoc doesn’t even press

[winged veldt]

LOL

[minor gate]

so is that a no on the slime filled boots

[winged veldt]

I saw that Oxi lol

[peak bobcat]

I feel like blizzards been on the demon bite train for a minute now

[uncut echo]

Havoc mains are crying

[winged veldt]

I was dying laughing at the "buff" for havoc at like .5

[maiden ginkgo]

Why so persistent? xD

[minor gate]

and the sub rogues are denying

[uncut echo]

The fuck you mean persistent?

You're not dropping it

[gusty mirage]

Fel blade buff by 10% guys, think about the 13k damage demon hunter just got from that! Wow!

That would be like buffing shiv

[maiden ginkgo]

here bud, I got you. xD

[peak bobcat]

Unlike us they have a real raid cd and debuff

[spice surge]

Or kingsbane

[peak bobcat]

Unfortunate

[gusty mirage]

[bitter aurora]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winged veldt]

Ahri! Feeding the animals at the zoo is bad remember lol

[minor gate]

what would it take for KB to be good

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay another 40% to kingsbane and it’s BACK

[uncut echo]

Real ig

They blocked me bc apparently english is my first language

[winged veldt]

LOL!

[peak bobcat]

Real question do you think kingsbane is fun?

[gusty mirage]

I enjoyed it, it was a little more interactive than dtb

[uncut echo]

Kb is fun in the sense that see big number with a bit more interaction

[winged veldt]

i think it can have fun interations depending

[gusty mirage]

Was nice to have a semblance of burst every minute

[oak tangle]

dtb is a button you press once

[uncut echo]

Less of a flat damage curvr

[oak tangle]

that once is when you talent into it

[royal lantern]

im only confused why they didnt whitelist anything for outlaw lol

[uncut echo]

REALEST MEMZ TAKE

[gusty mirage]

Can’t remember the last time outlaw had anything whitelisted

[uncut echo]

So fucking based

[gusty mirage]

I remember their adrenaline rush legendary was a flat 8% damage amp to everything

[deft flicker]

Imagine following laws as an outlaw

[oak tangle]

my takes are less cooked and more based now that i'm all but playing spriest

[peak bobcat]

I was thinking about outlaw today and if it had ever been really good on progress

[spice surge]

Transitioning away from a mcdonalds egg, im proud

[royal lantern]

yes?

[gusty mirage]

It was good in CN due to circumstances lol

[peak bobcat]

And I looked at all the end bosses killed in like the last 10 years

And nobody ever plays that shit

[gusty mirage]

Infinitelad would be angry with you if he ever came in here

[uncut echo]

Live laugh love that for you king

Stay humble, I'm rooting for you

[minor gate]

Cartoon Network?

[gusty mirage]

I guess I craft a one hander and become a pirate unless some sweeping buffs

[winged veldt]

im dead lol

[peak bobcat]

I just can’t with one dance sub man

[uncut echo]

Lock?

[peak bobcat]

After raz I can’t do it anymore

[uncut echo]

Wrists in shambles

[gusty mirage]

True if we forget nathria ever existed we can just black out all of shadowlands. Because nathria was the only good part

[winged veldt]

dafuq

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[drifting cloud]

you wouldnt dare

[uncut echo]

Outlaw is actually fun, hot take

[peak bobcat]

I think it’s not bad

[uncut echo]

Just can't play it for long bursts of time

[deft flicker]

Hot but true

[gusty mirage]

I played outlaw from SL launch until 9.0.5

[uncut echo]

Bc my wrists are in shambles

[spice surge]

Pretty sure outlaw doesnt want the crafted weapons anyway

[gusty mirage]

Wdym I wouldn’t dare lol

[spice surge]

they are underrot enjoyers

[minor gate]

it was fun until they botched the ambush playstyle

[uncut echo]

Damn, I know it baby

[oak tangle]

i'll accept outlaw as a spec, when they let me mog my daggers to swords

[drifting cloud]

those times dont count, you are forgiven

[gusty mirage]

I’m the only rogue.

[peak bobcat]

Twins

[uncut echo]

Ehh the pistol shot nerf was a bit cringe I agree

[uncut echo]

I wish it were me fr

[minor gate]

sinister strike spam is not fun

[gusty mirage]

And I don’t raid wr 500-750 anymore

So I have to play what’s good

[final tree]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[peak bobcat]

Like playing sub on razussy

[drifting cloud]

I meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[oak tangle]

any snake eyes enjoyers from BFA

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

You’re not wrong

[peak bobcat]

Did you want to die as much as I did on raz playing sub?

[gusty mirage]

2k dps ST when all 3 specs are doing WW damage isn’t exactly meaningful

[storm belfry]

Are they looking good?

[gusty mirage]

I learned to love it

[minor gate]

everytime someone in our guild considers changing class one of our 5 non-PI targeted warlocks enters the conversation

[gusty mirage]

But I also wanted to commit sudoku around broodkeeper

[peak bobcat]

2 dance kyrian sub

Was fun

This shit is so sleeper

[gusty mirage]

Marginally

[subtle tundra]

Same but I don't care so I play what I want

[minor gate]

i too would rather play the japanese number game than do broodkeeper

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw is in “okay” land

Sin and sub are in kaka land

Aka almost okay land

[grim jay]

so rogue is in kaka land

[gusty mirage]

Correct

[minor gate]

did you mean seppuku

[uncut echo]

Fury stonks risinf

[peak bobcat]

I remember when DTB with no exsang was simming better for me at the start of the tier

[uncut echo]

I think my wrists are shot

[peak bobcat]

And I was having the time of my life

[gusty mirage]

Maybe

I remember when rogue did damage

[lament aurora]

when's the last time you visited kaka land oxi

[gusty mirage]

And I was having the time of my life

[gusty mirage]

Anduin prog

Unless you mean New Jersey

Which is also kaka land

[minor gate]

because of uni work ill probably have to give the first raid week a miss

so ive got an extra week to decide what i wanna do

[peak bobcat]

All I ask is that assassination rogue does as much boss damage as everyone else does pad damage

[terse otter]

do u guys think any of rogue specs will be decent in keys

?

[peak bobcat]

Like sanctum and sepulcher

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw and sub will be good in keys still

Assassination will be assassination

[peak bobcat]

Probably sub

[gusty mirage]

100x the effort for less damage than the other two

[viscid spear]

I live here

[gusty mirage]

Why does it smell like piss

No one has ever explained that to me

[winged veldt]

imma do the same shit again, assa raid minus something crazy and sub keys. Cant be asked to assa keys with pug tanksk anymore lol

[peak bobcat]

Can’t be asked to play assas in keys if naowh was my tank

[winged veldt]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

See I insisted on playing assassination in season 1

[oak tangle]

imagine, one day, you log on to your PC, you check patch notes and right there in those notes, Sin is now considered THE go to AoE spec, do you take it?

[gusty mirage]

Then about a month in I stopped pushing keys

And I mostly pug

I wonder why that happened

[minor gate]

they are making it clear that they want sin to have more presence in AoE but they dont know how to do that

[subtle tundra]

Hehe I'll play assa

[gusty mirage]

Can we at least have more presence in ST until then?

[subtle tundra]

Can't wait to lose 4pc and lose dps

[deft flicker]

Depends on how it is implemented

[winged veldt]

i like it cuz theres more to do than spam 2 buttons. BUT when tank pulsl next pack and the current one is at 5% i wanna rage so hard lol

[minor gate]

thats what im saying

[subtle tundra]

I managed to do 20s at the start of the expac I'll be able to do it on Wednesday no prob

[peak bobcat]

Assas should have the best single target in the game since it’s literally useless everywhere else

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man either chain like a champ or don’t chain at all

[winged veldt]

exactlyl ol

[gusty mirage]

Who the fuck ever chains with ONE mob at 5%

[viscid spear]

Well, it's the most densely populated state in the country, and the amount of available bathrooms don't always line up.
Gotta go when you gotta go.

[gusty mirage]

Like bruh

[gusty mirage]

[oak tangle]

in this hypothetical no longer does sin do best ST (kekw i know) but does good aoe basically we become windwalker

[minor gate]

sweet naïve tyler

[gusty mirage]

I think they should buff demo lock

[winged veldt]

like bitch pretend its bolstering if you gonna pull like that lol

[gusty mirage]

Fuck it at this point why not

[peak bobcat]

I too hope they buff demo lock

[gusty mirage]

Just be out in the open about how warlock is the golden child

[winged veldt]

They are via sims lol

[peak bobcat]

At least carry me to a free CE if I’m going to do guardian Druid damage

[gusty mirage]

Our warlocks are gamers

Let them carry me to hof

[minor gate]

if you wanna nuke a key rogue is not the best class to bring

[peak bobcat]

It was this patch

[grand trail]

/whispyr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winged veldt]

we have 2 locks 2 sp 2 udk, im along for the ride at this point like "Hey guys I put my raid poisons on boss for you!"

[oak tangle]

class balancing got me at the point like max's tier list, where the guy ranks DH B tier for M+ and max is like "i don't think you are ranking to the same scale as the others"

[winged veldt]

and by that i mean useless shit lol

[minor gate]

we have 5 hunters and none of them want to soothe

[winged veldt]

LOL!

[peak bobcat]

I leveled my hunter to 63 in timewalking and gave up

[gusty mirage]

They’re trying their best, 5 year olds don’t fully comprehend the situation most of the time

[minor gate]

2 dk that dont wanna B rez

[grim jay]

its cool but feels weird, dropped it aswell shortly after 70

[winged veldt]

im just in raid to shroud people closer to boss for opener lol

LOL

[peak bobcat]

So my enhance can place windfury

[deft flicker]

If it feels smooth and engaging - yes. If it feels like shit - no

[minor gate]

im sad cause i used to have a priest/PI buddy but he's gone evoker

[peak bobcat]

I had a rogue buddy but he hates outlaw and I told him to get out fast

[winged veldt]

PI goes to the one with most gold until RL finds out lol

[minor gate]

we have a whiny warlock

kicks up a fuss when he's missing a buff

[winged veldt]

he better be good then lol

[minor gate]

like for the longest time we didnt have a dh

every week

[viscid spear]

need Shout plz

[lavish hazel]

Better to use 2 tea on dm or juste use on shiv?

[minor gate]

more like because we lacked the class that provided it

complained like the melee wernt missing a monk and an enhance shamy

[winged veldt]

i mean i hate it when no dh, monk, enhance but no point in crying lol

[gusty mirage]

Was it minalba?

[peak bobcat]

No he abandoned me long ago

[minor gate]

our guild leader is the only mage and doesnt raid when football is on

[gusty mirage]

Yeah he’s a weird one

[winged veldt]

uh

dafuq

[subtle tundra]

is he a man united fan

[minor gate]

yes actually

[gusty mirage]

Not much to watch there unfortunately

[subtle tundra]

Ofc

[minor gate]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

So is my raid leader

He does attend raids unfortunately

[minor gate]

its always louder on those days

[sand sigil]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

Hello James

Hope you’re having a wonderful weekend

[subtle tundra]

It's always complaining

[minor gate]

COME OOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN

GET IIIIIIIIINNNNNNNN

YOU

[subtle tundra]

Americans dont have weekends

[minor gate]

ARE

FUCKING

[sand sigil]

my weekend has not been wonderful lol

[minor gate]

KIDDING ME

[sand sigil]

on the plane now though

[subtle tundra]

It's just making fun of the teams nowadays

[gusty mirage]

hope it gets better man

[minor gate]

im a big football hater

[subtle tundra]

Is liquid doing team meet

For race

[drifting cloud]

yes

[minor gate]

so i have a bit of fun when the convo turns to football

[subtle tundra]

[peak bobcat]

Gluck James

[minor gate]

"[insert player] was so good last night"

nah theyre kinda mid

"i love [inset team]"

theyre mid

[subtle tundra]

Say how manchester city is so good

[minor gate]

gets em going

nah

leeds united

man city is overdone

leeds united is some new spice

[craggy oak]

Ball sport is life

[minor gate]

thats why im a basketball fan

[craggy oak]

I want to hear what your acca was over the weekend

[craggy oak]

Oof

[minor gate]

never cared for the inflated pig stomach sport

[craggy oak]

You american or eu?

[minor gate]

no

im british

[craggy oak]

My guy

[viscid spear]

Our condolences

[craggy oak]

Cricket and rugby fan?

[minor gate]

rugby

[craggy oak]

League or union

[minor gate]

no preference

[craggy oak]

Fence sitter

[minor gate]

yeah

[minor gate]

its tough here man

[viscid spear]

I understand, I live in Jersey

[craggy oak]

Honestly use the last of the power of the british nationality to fucking leave hahaha

[minor gate]

yikes

[minor gate]

lmao

visiting my cousin later in the year

in sweden

[hazy moth]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[craggy oak]

I yeeted to spain for 3 months, france for 3, going s.korea for 3 then probs dubai for 3

Fuck the uk

End of rant

[minor gate]

a true brit through and through

[viscid spear]

No chance the best part of the US is better than the worst part of any European country not bordering Russia

[minor gate]

is there even a "best part" of the US

[royal lantern]

whisps bedroom

[minor gate]

lmao

[peak bobcat]

As an American living in Europe this is not far off

[cold spoke]

cant wait for my california trip this summer

[viscid spear]

Probably a cabin in the woods, far from civilization, but you can find that in Europe too

[cold spoke]

do i need kevlar or its all good

[celest drift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[viscid spear]

Stay away from the major cities like LA and SF.
The rest of the state is alright

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage have you seen the forums opinions on warlocks?

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-nerfs-keep-coming-lol/1577129

[minor gate]

so the "off-peak" parts

[viscid spear]

Well my living experience here is California and New Jersey, so my opinion may be a tad bit skewed.

[cold spoke]

cant rly avoid them

landing in SF

[peak bobcat]

True New Jersey does suck ass

[cold spoke]

whats so bad about sf and la

geniuine question

[viscid spear]

Smug Smog

[vapid sierra]

How do you guys do temple boss

On sin

Dots tic his thing

[cold spoke]

whats that

[ornate aspen]

is it me or does sin have an unusually high number of things to press compared to other classes? We got our dots+SnD,ER,exang,deathmark,tea,shiv,vanish. Thats not even mentioning our utility or any trinkets. Meanwhile I go play my devoker and the whole class is like 6 buttons and lust

[cold spoke]

rogue seems bit bloated

in my taste at least

[ornate aspen]

I only got so many fingers blizz

[cold spoke]

kingsbane + shiv / ER + exsang i feel like im playing 2 diff specs at once

[night delta]

on the scale from dummy to brainiac, we're more looking towards brainiac imo yeah

at least we're not arcane mage levels of gigabrain

[limber lion]

And yet it requires no thought and it kinda doesn't matter what you press or when

[ornate aspen]

That makes it feel even worse imo

[night delta]

tbh most specs, when mastered, go on auto-mode

[solid mica]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ornate aspen]

cooldowns dont even line up

[cold spoke]

they line up every 6min

[silk bane]

they do but certain classes have higher skill ceiling, u can play them differently and decisions u make matter. all 3 rogues combined there are 2 things that mater, dont exsang ur dm, and dont sectech outside of dance. grats youre done with 99% of rogue mastery.

[gleaming stratus]

[craggy oak]

The southern states

[minor gate]

ah so the opposite of the UK

[cursive frost]

So our BiS gear sim sitting under 130k, jesus

[minor gate]

theyre against us through and through

[vapid sierra]

!whyspir

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

mate

you just summed up every single dps spec in wow

lol

idk why people still jerk themself of about "hard specs vs easy spec"

[uncut echo]

Wow is innately not difficult

[royal lantern]

there is litearlly only 1 spec that is a bit TOO braindead, and thats BM hunter

but no class in wow plays hard

the encounters are the hard part

not the class/spec gameplay

[uncut echo]

It's learning how to do the spec while being able to maximize dps on encounter specific mechanics

Yup

[storm belfry]

Any DH enjoyers

Or destro

[vapid sierra]

It’s situations specs gets put in that define their difficulty

[storm belfry]

But also true

[silk bane]

I think playing fire well is actually hard, u can reeeeallly tell the difference between a bad or average fire vs a really good one. most other specs its w/e

[vapid sierra]

Like dot management in aoe on sun without ic

[royal lantern]

people that still say DH is 200%braindead never looked at DF DH lol

[vapid sierra]

Or outlaw when shit gets super hectic

[vapid sierra]

It’s hard

[uncut echo]

Df dh is actually not super easy

[vapid sierra]

I like the momentum

[uncut echo]

Fuck momentum

[vapid sierra]

I like moving

[uncut echo]

I hate using my movement for a dps increase

So dogshit

I love dh aesthetically

Lazarai is an icon

[vapid sierra]

Wait

I haven’t looked at the sins properly yet

[hot basin]

do you think assas will be the best spec for pure st raid bosses?

[vapid sierra]

But outlaw out simming sin in st?

[royal lantern]

mate

[uncut echo]

Yuh

[royal lantern]

assa is litearlly the 2nd lowest spec in the game rn

lol

[vapid sierra]

Or is it gear used

[royal lantern]

like, only BM hunter is lower

[hot basin]

pure st

[royal lantern]

EVERYTHING is higher

[uncut echo]

Outlaw is the go to rogue spec

[royal lantern]

yes, PURE ST

[hot basin]

even in pure st?

[uncut echo]

Sin is down bad

[storm belfry]

Never said that. But I think it’s equal to BM as brain dead tbh

[royal lantern]

assa doesnt even crack the 130k

[vapid sierra]

I wanted to play sin this tier

[hot basin]

so we still play sub?

[vapid sierra]

But rip

[uncut echo]

No, you play outlaw

[hot basin]

oh nooo

[royal lantern]

in best case you dont play rogue

[uncut echo]

Yeah

[vapid sierra]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

cus rogue is just not good

like, all 3 specs are down bad

[hot basin]

rogue will always be good in m+

[vapid sierra]

RL wants me on rogue

[winged veldt]

Yea just swap mains now

[royal lantern]

sub and assa are just even more down

[winged veldt]

Rogue deadage

Lol

[uncut echo]

Woyer

[winged veldt]

Hahahaha

[royal lantern]

outlaw is not good, its just the least shit option lmao

[vapid sierra]

It’s decent

It’s fun to prog on

[uncut echo]

It's immortal

[vapid sierra]

Since you can’t die

[uncut echo]

Ye

[storm belfry]

I will play sin tyvm

[uncut echo]

Outlaw literally too tanky

[vapid sierra]

I’m gonna have fun this tier

[uncut echo]

That's fine live laugh love that for you bestie

I play arms

[royal lantern]

btw, GG blizz, you did it, made a aoe/cleave tier with vault, so everyone assa sucks by default, and then made a tier that is somewhat more ST focused and tune assa dmg so low that the AOE CLEAVE SPEC does more ST

[vapid sierra]

Padding meters while everyone dies

[winged veldt]

Outlaw needs some whitelist action lol

[hot basin]

what do you think about m+ outlaw is better than sub ?

[vapid sierra]

Wym

[vapid sierra]

Depends on tunning

Outlaw can typically do more aoe while focusing a prio target but sub has to pick to my knowledge

(Don’t quote me on sub)

[winged veldt]

What on outlaw is whitelisted lol?

[vapid sierra]

What is white listed?

[winged veldt]

Nvm

[vapid sierra]

I’m thinking about minecraft ngl

[royal lantern]

when things only interact with specific stuff

aka assa mastery says "you do X% more bleed and poison dmg" but its only for your own abilitys, trinkets/procs etc.....are not increased

they just made a huge tuning change where they removed most of those interactions on most specs(sub beeing 1 of the biggest ones)

but didnt do anything with outlaw there, who is "abusing" it even more

[signal horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

and thats just....somewhat strange?

[cold spoke]

just gotta keep a fury warrior as an alt to be ready to jump in just in case

[royal lantern]

you mean leap

[cold spoke]

truee leap in rally cry top dps

rogue opener: prep coin vanish concede

[hushed sparrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ocean wolf]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[somber fractal]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[junior olive]

Is fury gonna be good in M+ as of how it’s looking right now

?

[cold spoke]

idk but its not a rogue so just in case its better

[unborn marlin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[minor gate]

there are 2 types of people

i have 2 sides

! whyper ! fuu

none give me the answer i want

[oak tangle]

!thismustbeameme

[vestal wren]

play outlaw

there you go, the answer you didn't know you want

[slow wadi]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[nimble tartan]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[frigid pilot]

no way demo/fury stay this high right guys?

[oak tangle]

yeah i reckon demo could stand some buffs

[strange python]

Tbh most sims I saw have most of those specs much higher

[deft flicker]

Those were old sims iirc

[strange python]

Maybe. The fact that sin isn't top 3 is insulting to me, still.

[deft flicker]

Yea

[strange python]

"what does your spec do?" "Literally nothing but single target damage" "is it good at it?" "Nope"

[peak hare]

I aint gonna play rogue until rogue actually (fully dps class btw) is performing around the top.

[strange python]

I mean sims aren't reality and bosses aren't patchwerk

[royal lantern]

"only single target" "how high are you?" "2nd lowest singletarget in the game"

[strange python]

But sins entire niche is single target patchwerk.

[deft flicker]

Except Patchwek, who is Patchwerk

[strange python]

I mean you'd theoretically want specs like destro and fury to sim less because they gain value from cleave

[peak hare]

Sins gameplay is really fun, too bad its low dmg in SINGLE TARGET

[strange python]

Not sure if this guy is trolling or not

[peak hare]

Am

Troll

[thorn fjord]

I ran sin on reclear this week and it wasn’t bad

[peak hare]

[thorn fjord]

We were gearing new mains

Was top 3-4 each fight not awful 🤷‍♂️

[strange python]

Is this dude just New Ahri? Toxic positivity and acting like this tuning is okay?

[minor gate]

the worst timeline

[peak hare]

I never said t was okay its shit

I was actually agreeing

But whatever

[strange python]

The tone+pjsalt makes it seem like you're mocking people

[peak hare]

Oh no I meant like I am salty

[strange python]

Mb

[peak hare]

And who the ufck is ahri isnt that from league of legends

[thorn fjord]

Ahri is our overlord mother watcher

[peak hare]

Oh shiet

[golden quail]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[golden quail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

tbh

the funny thing is

all 3 specs are rly close, so w/e what people decide, it isn't that bad

raid seems very st heavy too

[thorn fjord]

Right now tho sin doesn’t feel terrible and should be fine to get through norm/heroic next week

[royal lantern]

yeha but tribalism and not understanding the concept of LITEARLLY FULL BIS SIMS makes people go crazy over outlaw now

[thorn fjord]

I just ran an OL key and sucked something awful

[vestal wren]

let me make it worse

outlaw might undersim

[thorn fjord]

Gotta git gud

[vestal wren]

there you go

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, go progress as outlaw and learn the spec again after you didnt play it after X time because a sim with full max lvl gear and the trinkets at mythic lvl sims 1k higher

[vestal wren]

sub is on 131k

outlaaw 132

[thorn fjord]

I’m just gonna sin then transition to sub at some point per usual

[vestal wren]

big diffrence ^^

[thorn fjord]

Like the game intended

[limber lion]

Spec choice literally does not matter unless you're pushing m+ score or a very high mythic raid ranking

[vestal wren]

also half of the promised fixes etc are not in simc yet

[limber lion]

Literally play anything well and you're doing better than most

[vestal wren]

so there is that too

[uncut echo]

??????

[thorn fjord]

Yep I can still top dps in my group usually playing sin still

[strange python]

Can I ask an annoying question

[vestal wren]

sure

[uncut echo]

No shot this guy just @'d me like that lmfao

[royal lantern]

you are a villan now

[strange python]

How does outlaw sim with upgraded weapons instead of vault drop ilvl

[peak hare]

..... ..... ...... .... .... .....💀..... this is how my perspective went from first seeing talents to now.

[strange python]

Since you can't rely on vault drop ilvl

[thorn fjord]

She’s come full circle

[vestal wren]

can't you upgrade every item to vault drop item level

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1101788562527096882/image.png?width=1621&height=615

[royal lantern]

i started at

[strange python]

441

Unless it came from vault

[vestal wren]

ah fair

so you mean how much does it lose if you use 441 vs. 447

moment

[strange python]

Considering crawg/forge are massive I wonder what 6 ilvl loss does

Yeah

[thorn fjord]

Can’t be that much

Maybe .3-.4% at most?

[strange python]

No, but sub and sin can make 447s so the sim may be more realistic

Than outlaw waiting around for 3% weekly vault luck

[uncut echo]

Shocking development

[inner token]

only if kingsbane would be propely buffed i would be a happy man

[thorn fjord]

Toxic positivity 🤣

[storm belfry]

I love it

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qVtmkUAP1x1SYQ9cU5TJ3k

[strange python]

So not very much, yeah.

But good to know, thx

[vestal wren]

0.3% dps in offhand
0.9% dps mainhand
1.1% if you have both on 441

[uncut echo]

Apparently I'm toxic

:3

[royal lantern]

reported to the mods

[thorn fjord]

Not bad for a small IL gain

[uncut echo]

Nah it's fine for people to just come at me like that here, it's nbd

[burnt star]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

News to me too Quake lmfao

[limber lion]

Hmm

[uncut echo]

[deft flicker]

I feel like “toxic” is a weird word

[brazen zodiac]

you're toxic ahri?

[uncut echo]

News to me

[brazen zodiac]

maybe u should take a shower, stinky!!!!!

ur so nice : D

[storm belfry]

[uncut echo]

I do need a shower, I just got off work

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[deft flicker]

Like it’s trying to make you 100% responsible for how others perceive you

[ebon notch]

stinker

[uncut echo]

I don't give a shit about how others perceive me. I'm objectively nice, and helpful here. Stab's opinion doesn't carry water outside of comedic effect.

[uncut echo]

[mint chasm]

Oh, am I in time for the drama??

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-gif-26264120

[uncut echo]

It's not really drama if they have me blocked and just shit talk me any chance they get

[ebon notch]

no drama in this channel

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-gif-25910152

[uncut echo]

Got a cute cat pic tho a few minutes ago

[mint chasm]

That's almost a case example of drama.

[grim tangle]

just a quick tip, if you want to make it seem like you "don't give a shit" about something, just ignore it and don't talk about it for 20 minutes straight

[mint chasm]

All this

[warm void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[uncut echo]

I mean people said something to me about it, not the other way around, but pop off ig

[deft flicker]

I think you’re nice

[strange python]

Come back

[cunning nest]

I'm about to get my dagger - crit/mast still the way to go?

[uncut echo]

Crit>mastery=haste is kinda the play rn

[minor gate]

so one of each

[limber lion]

https://tenor.com/view/aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-kimberly-wilkins-interview-gif-3531013

[strange python]

You can sim the various stats, but you can also change them later when you inevitably upgrade it. The best stats look largely personal right now. If you have extremely low of one stat or another it may prioritize those

[cunning nest]

Yeah the problem is, I've got so much crit now, it starts to loose vs tempo on sim; the same with mast since annulet. So if I trust the sims I have to start to switch to tempo. But then I think.. tempo is omega-meh in aoe (I play sin in all content)

so I think i stick to crit mast for the items I can choose stats

[strange python]

Crit/mast is your best option for all content in almost all likelihood

Vers may potentially be useful, it looks to be added to some of the crafted gear in sims for next tier

But I have a hard time imagining the difference between them will really matter all that much

You could sim yourself for AoE and Dungeonslice and see if the stats align for a daggee

Or just send crit/mast and largely be fine

[silent furnace]

the subsequent Garrotes after the first from stealth, do they benefit from the Improved Garrote 50% damage buff??

[strange python]

Only if you have subter

Which you should

[silent furnace]

like hittting Garrote > Garrote is an extended buffed Garrote, correct?

[strange python]

Yes with subterfuge

[silent furnace]

ty

[cunning nest]

okay thank you guys for your help!

[silent furnace]

wait, you need Subterfuge for it?

we dont even take it

[robust pasture]

improved garrote

[silent furnace]

ok that makes more sense

[strange python]

Am I thinking of the wrong move? The one that lets you keep using stealth moves when stealth ends

[silent furnace]

you're thinking of the right one, but there is another that effects Garrote only in the sin tree

[strange python]

Do we not take that for next tier? If so, overwriting a garrote would make it weaker.

We definitely took subter in vault. I honestly haven't looked at the sim talents for next tier.

Id tag whispyr and ask him then

[robust pasture]

we did not take subter in vault we have improved garrote which is the same thing for garrote

in the past we had subter in previous expansions

[strange python]

Okay I'm just being dumb

I forgot about imp garrote

[silent furnace]

its ok, they're basically the same thing 😄

easy to confuse

[limber lion]

Yeah subterfuge is pretty dead to us

[wispy iris]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[uncut echo]

We have better subterfuge

With imp gar

[indigo ginkgo]

guys, my finger stil not proc , you guys seeing same bug, or its a details bug ?

a felow guildie rogue is experience the same

[clear thorn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[somber sparrow]

Thoughts on rogue changes on may 9? https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-may-9/1582712?mibextid=Zxz2cZ I think it’s funny they keep finding ways to nerf assassination. Does this mean gear that can deal nature damage doesn’t count with the tier bonus

[silk bane]

check the last few lines of the pin.

[granite widget]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[static glacier]

Speaking of sims when’re we submitting stuff to simulationcraft

[granite widget]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[warm void]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[amber stream]

Hi guys, what does CCT refer to?

[strange python]

Cut to the chase

CCT is a typo, should say ctc

[amber stream]

Noted, thanks!

[thorn fjord]

I got ash in my beer

😞

[storm belfry]

🤮

[thorn fjord]

I love the weekends

[deft flicker]

Controlled Current Technique, a trinket

[light knoll]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tiny axle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm belfry]

I’m working. Drink one for me brother

[shrewd plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tDqMPEhmovTH8GRpDgMZwr Its normal to play without Shrouded suffocation ?

[viscid spear]

[brazen zodiac]

.<

[tawny pike]

Hey boys we were nerfed instead of buffed.

[minor gate]

alright

[frosty bridge]

@balmy condor how come the thorny boots are proccing healing and eating the damage procs for rogue? is it recup or something?

[balmy condor]

Ye

Vial, soothing darkness

Etc

[frosty bridge]

But it doesn't proc of leech right?

[frosty bridge]

I guess it procs of healing potions too, but not leech since it almost never procs on DH

[balmy condor]

Don’t believe so, no

[frosty bridge]

That solves it then, I was wondering why it would proc heals for rogue but not for DH. Thanks!!!

[balmy condor]

Np

[scenic thunder]

How can i put my thistle tea in macro? I think the macro is reading the item, not the spell

[peak bobcat]

you shouldn't

[late surge]

what do u want to macro to thistle tea?

[cobalt wigeon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[scenic thunder]

I'm creating a macro to use my trinket and the thistle tea, just like in sub when you use symbol and a trinket

[late surge]

thistle tea isnt close to how symbols is used though

[scenic thunder]

Nothing special, but the doubt still remains

Yeah, i know

[late surge]

dont understand why u would want to macro tea

[balmy condor]

Does sub even bother doing that anymore

The whitelists all got nuked

So there’s no more trinket buffing

[earnest remnant]

only with PE

[late surge]

10% crit still works

[balmy condor]

Sure

[viscid spear]

I have a note from my doctor, plus I left my gym clothes on my locker

[cold turtle]

will heal a pally that sacced you

will heal you if you're damaged by rage phial

[vestal wren]

we sync to deeper dagger till its fixed

when its fixed, will just mean that its not relevant anymore

[balmy condor]

Did they miss deeper

[vestal wren]

unless i missed the hotfix changes

it seems like:

• lethality was not fixed
• neither of the damage amps was chanegd
• ns is still not fixed

also the 4% aura buff is not active

[flint tusk]

Think it was may 9th

[vestal wren]

could still be on ptr

earlier

[gusty mirage]

I haven't seen a ptr update since the announcement

I think they just forgot about the ptr

lol

[balmy condor]

Ptr isn’t real

[brazen zodiac]

:c

[storm belfry]

I’m not real

[dawn kelp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dapper heath]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

this menans they won't fix the damage amps

[hushed sparrow]

are we real or are we cake?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cake-gif-25498897

[vapid sierra]

what do i drop iron wire for in sin

aoe

im going into shadowmoon

what poisons for m+?

lethal

[late surge]

deadly + amp

[frigid pilot]

lock is 70 now

PHEW

just in time

[frigid pilot]

insta 390 ilvl too

[steel spire]

Gl lock brother

[storm belfry]

Has iron wire still

[gusty mirage]

it's raging week so you could take double shiv

[vapid sierra]

i did

figured it would be best

[gusty mirage]

yeah iron wire kinda sus in smbg

lmao

[minor gate]

oh drop iron

[storm belfry]

[minor gate]

thought he said drop FOR iron wire

[storm belfry]

There’s nothing you’d drop for it cause you should always have it

Outside of sbg

Imo

[minor gate]

that would mean grabing doomblade

probably the second shiv

[storm belfry]

What

Why would you grab doom blade

[minor gate]

i am severly tired

[storm belfry]

Sleep my brother

[minor gate]

no

theres still work to do

i thought you said sbs

[storm belfry]

I just got off

[oak sky]

2nd shiv lethal concoction or MA

[civic trellis]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[oblique jackal]

Anyone know why they don't just bake EB into the base line spec instead of a talent?

[balmy condor]

EP? or ER?

[slow tulip]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[marble hemlock]

Echoing blades, obviously

[balmy condor]

I can't believe that someone would be unsure why EB isn't baseline

[marble hemlock]

I could tag someone right now

And we're both thinking of the same person

Without mentioning a name

[vapid sierra]

deciding wether or not i should play sin next tier, multispecing seems hard with gear diff

[marble hemlock]

besides outlaw needing a different mainhand weapon, you can play any spec with any other specs stat prio. will it be optimal? no. will it be a massive difference? nope

[wooden radish]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

but wouldnt gems make a big difference?

[marble hemlock]

if a boss requires cleavedamage, then youll still do more damage playing outlaw or sub, even with an assa statprio. thats typically how multispeccing works, you switch because the boss is just that good for those specific specs

[vapid sierra]

also how much of a difference do stats make? is there a way for me to sim?

[marble hemlock]

stats dont make that big of a difference, no

[wooden radish]

Crit mastery is very nice for sub anyways

So sub is a good option to fallback into for cleave/aoe

[vapid sierra]

i dont like sub tbh

not my cup of tea