There is not, although you may be asked to leave the premises which would then become trespass
#assassination
gusty mirage
Which is illegal
Nah, I’m good
I’m not welcome down there anyway
I know my place in this country
marble hemlock
You're welcome "down there" with me
gusty mirage
And rocky top Tennessee ain’t it
marble hemlock
If you know what i mean
gusty mirage
My client who can’t stop speeding has a trial in 2 hours
And while prepping for this one, he got two more tickets
In 2 dif cities
marble hemlock
Is he standing next to Sandra bullock?
ember mural
spice spire
And rocky top Tennessee ain’t it
Do not go to rocky top Tennessee (East Tennessee) more or less you’re fine in my area
balmy condor
There is not, although you may be asked to leave the premises which would then b...
What if I say “nuh uh I was here first” and lick a supporting beam of the building, thus claiming ownership of said beam by the landmark hearing of playground v. Second grade
marble hemlock
Guess only boomers get that reference
spice spire
I mean it’s still Tennessee but less bad
gusty mirage
<:kekdog:907207037757296710>
“What do I do?”
“Well for one stop fucking speeding man”
marble hemlock
royal lantern
gusty mirage
Damn these kids and their mtv
marble hemlock
gusty mirage
What if I say “nuh uh I was here first” and lick a supporting beam of the buildi...
That might work
marble hemlock
What if i lick quake before he says "i do", is he mine then and he can't marry anymore?
ember mural
This movie is older than whispyr 
gusty mirage
Oh my phone’s at 11%
gusty mirage
What if i lick quake before he says "i do", is he mine then and he can't marry a...
That’s probably how they claim things down there
So probably
marble hemlock
This movie is older than whispyr <:OMEGAKEKWMAN:858824902827573278>
Unironically true
ember mural
94, I had to look it up 
gusty mirage
@ember mural you’re invited to my wedding, quake is not
balmy condor
This movie is older than whispyr <:OMEGAKEKWMAN:858824902827573278>
Go fuck yourself
slow tulip
w8 seliathan is an old man ? 
gusty mirage
Go fuck yourself
His health insurance does that for him tho
ember mural
Seli oxi and I are old
marble hemlock
Quake can come but he can't rsvp, he can only sit at the kids table with skip
lucid birch
Oxi old 
final tree
most old players retire to assassination after they hit 30 tbh
gusty mirage
Oxi old <:kekw:770756888777588736>
Thats not what you said last night whore
grand trail
Howdy
lucid birch
grand trail
How we looking 😂
balmy condor
How we looking 😂
Old
ember mural
Wrong channel
gusty mirage
We’re talking about a keaunu and sandra bullock movie that’s older than 90% of this discord server
How do you think we’re doing?
gusty mirage
marble hemlock
Speeding
final tree
average age of a wow player is like 28 or something, so only just 
cobalt hemlock
wow is a game for balding old men thats true
marble hemlock
They don't make them like Sandy d anymore
gusty mirage
What if you’re not balding?
cobalt hemlock
any of you balding?
gusty mirage
What do we do then?
ember mural
No balding here
balmy condor
Any of you men?
gusty mirage
Any of you men?
Sometimes
ember mural
Yes 
final star
I have hair
winged veldt
Did Whispyrs sims put us at 126 st LOL. We dooming now or later lol? I still got some hopium left lol
marble hemlock
Any of you men?
For you I'll be anything
gusty mirage
I have hair
Hi kieron :3
winged kindle
I have hair but it’s turning grey faster than my wife would like
balmy condor
Did Whispyrs sims put us at 126 st LOL. We dooming now or later lol? I still got...
We wait :3
final star
Hi kieron :3
Hi oxi :3c
winged veldt
all we can do lol
balmy condor
I have hair but it’s turning grey faster than my wife would like
Tell her to stop stressing you out so much
final star
I have hair but it’s turning grey faster than my wife would like
Grey hair is based
gusty mirage
Grey hair is based
Thank god
cobalt hemlock
I have hair but it’s turning grey faster than my wife would like
i know some people who are 21 and i see some grey hairs on their head
marble hemlock
Please don't ":3" outside of #1080572530554835072 premises.
gusty mirage
I have hope
final tree
wait the ST sims are about 120k now for assa?
grand trail
Non exsang build is just within 1%?
balmy condor
wait the ST sims are about 120k now for assa?
126-127ish with shoulders being cringe
gusty mirage
Silver fox kpb
Sheesh looks like I’m going gay then not just gray
balmy condor
Non exsang build is just within 1%?
Yes
spice surge
I wouldnt worry about exact sim numbers as of right now
final star
Sheesh looks like I’m going gay then not just gray
Best of both worlds
final tree
126-127ish with shoulders being cringe
tbh ill take that over spamming gloomblade...
grand trail
So I can be assa gamer cool
cobalt hemlock
So I can be assa gamer cool
thats the most 
name ever
final tree
spam envenom instead 
gusty mirage
I wouldn’t call us cool exactly, but I appreciate your enthusiasm
balmy condor
I wouldn’t call us cool exactly, but I appreciate your enthusiasm
Yeah cause you’re hot
gusty mirage
Yeah cause you’re hot
Listen you keep hitting on me and I’ll hop on a plane to california
cobalt hemlock
I wouldn’t call us cool exactly, but I appreciate your enthusiasm
dead people are cool and we are gonna be dead last on dmg
grand trail
There is still hope for outlaw tho
cobalt hemlock
so we will be heccin cool
winged kindle
Deadlast was taken so I had to go with Deadline
gray crest
Didn't outlaw just get nerfed by like 6 % due to embellishments
balmy condor
Cool as a coolcumber
gusty mirage
There is still hope for outlaw tho
Is there? Because uh embellishment changes are kinda big nerfs to outlaw and sub
final tree
outlaws set is still broken 
grand trail
Is there? Because uh embellishment changes are kinda big nerfs to outlaw and sub
Their set not working
cobalt hemlock
unlucky
balmy condor
Is there? Because uh embellishment changes are kinda big nerfs to outlaw and sub
We don’t know how good their tier is, no sims, outlaw actually 140k sim 
gusty mirage
We don’t know how good their tier is, no sims, outlaw actually 140k sim <:Gladge...
BTE buff will save the day
Surely
slow tulip
Tier is 55% dps
i can only get so erect
grand trail
Rogue will be early progression hero
balmy condor
Rogue will be early progression hero
How do I cope as hard as you, is this a skill I can learn
slow tulip
do you reckon more ppl will start sub or assa next week ?
grand trail
I did not see warlocks poping in our yesterday raid
gray crest
Your locks suck
gusty mirage
Your warlocks are bad then ngl
gusty mirage
TRUE
final star
Is there? Because uh embellishment changes are kinda big nerfs to outlaw and sub
Not too bad for sub was only 2k dps
balmy condor
do you reckon more ppl will start sub or assa next week ?
Considering assa has a negative play rate this expansion so far my money is on sub
final tree
just hope for 10.1.5 kingsbane return
spice surge
But also, your warlock dont have the neltharion trinket which is like a 8k dps increase
gusty mirage
Not too bad for sub was only 2k dps
When all 3 specs are projected to do WW damage that’s pretty fucking bad bro
grand trail
But also, your warlock dont have the neltharion trinket which is like a 8k dps i...
We had icon dropped yesterday and there was fight for It 😂 so before their got their new rare trinkets,it will take time
grand trail
What happened to BM anyway
final star
MM hunter existing
gusty mirage
BM hunters are crying up a storm rn
grand trail
They were beasts 😂
gusty mirage
And want us to feel sorry for them
The bow got changed
And they didn’t suddenly do 50 billion damage
brazen lantern
We don’t know how good their tier is, no sims, outlaw actually 140k sim <:Gladge...
gusty mirage
Despite them getting buffed 80 times in 10.0 and 10.0.5 they want you to feel sorry for them
Don’t let them do that to us
grand trail
I just don't know if I want invest more time in sub or asaa
grand trail
It's number simulator for me
gusty mirage
If you hate exsang
Play sub
If you hate pretending sub plays like it did back in the day
shrewd night
IF YOU HATE EXSANG,
YOU'RE PART OF OUR GANG
gusty mirage
Play assassination
grand trail
I don't hate, but after big nerf to it, it's not worth extra effort in my eyes
steel ridge
if you hate exsang, just delete it
shrewd night
gusty mirage
If the outlaw set ever works properly and ever sims
We toss all 3 in the robot
And play what the robot tells us to
Much fun to be had
Kill boss in less than 2 months, raid log until 10.2
final tree
IF YOU HATE EXSANG,
YOU'RE PART OF OUR GANG
the reroll gang?
gusty mirage
How’s it going today
My client is an idiot, but besides that we’re chilling. How are you?
dark token
And they didn’t suddenly do 50 billion damage
wasnt it still a buff
the bow being changed
storm belfry
My client is an idiot, but besides that we’re chilling. How are you?
I just woke up so we are good so far. Hopefully that guy doesn’t make you commit a crime 
gray crest
My client is an idiot, but besides that we’re chilling. How are you?
Didn't you have a client that had a warrant for his arrest and he came back to the states willingly. Cause that was pretty fuckin stupid
viscid spear
My client is an idiot, but besides that we’re chilling. How are you?
Isn't one of the major rules "don't trust that your client has told you everything"?
cobalt hemlock
My client is an idiot, but besides that we’re chilling. How are you?
do you have smart clients?
dark token
viscid spear
do you have smart clients?
He's so smart he needs extra-dumb clients to balance out and make it fair.
dark token
operation replace lariat is a go
winged veldt
low on sockets i assume lol
spice surge
No
winged veldt
do tell lol
spice surge
The socket nerf doesnt really matter, its just not that good anymore since all the damage ones got massively buffed
winged veldt
i mean i rather have an assa buff not boots tbh lol.
that just gonna put sub higher still right lol?
balmy condor
What
winged veldt
@spice surge in that case then i should also but my sim has me staying lariat
spice surge
If you have another neck and can craft boots i find that unlikely, but you do you
final star
People put far too much weight on what's simming higher
Make your own decision based on how well you play
Rather than just a sim number
shrewd night
If it aint simming highest its DOG SHIT YOU HEAR ME KIERON, DOG SHIT, LET ME HAVE MY 5 EXTRA DPS
winged veldt
What
oh thought you said theres a 112% boot buff coming. If so it boots the already 130k sub up higher and takes out 126k up also but still below? Excuse me I just woke up. Just ignore me lol
final star
Assa could sim 10k higher for me and I'd still not play it 🤣
final star
If it aint simming highest its DOG SHIT YOU HEAR ME KIERON, DOG SHIT, LET ME HAV...
Ayo 0.02% gain found were BOONING
winged veldt
If you have another neck and can craft boots i find that unlikely, but you do yo...
yea cuz i dont have a crafted neck or crafted boots in my inventory as a just in case i guess lol. I will sim it just for you booboo
shrewd night
Ayo 0.02% gain found were BOONING
balmy condor
oh thought you said theres a 112% boot buff coming. If so it boots the already 1...
The boots were buffed 112% going into 10.1, that’s why everyone’s dropping lariat
final star
dark token
low on sockets i assume lol
?
lariat just bad
i didnt even replace it with boots
fang adornments won out
winged veldt
i stand corrected. I swear to god i simemd yesterday and it told me to stay lariat. now i sim and it says change it. Imma just start shutting the fuck up lol
raven merlin
thought we build shoulders if we can fit them with tier?
winged veldt
fml lol. My apologies
final star
i stand corrected. I swear to god i simemd yesterday and it told me to stay lari...
Sims are changing in a literal daily basis
dark token
ye
but i know a dag will be good
so i think im gonna craft a fang adornment dagger next week
and then see what 2nd best embellishment is later
final star
My dagger has food buff
dark token
my non eranog ring has food buff
dark token
i think dagger food buff will be safe for sure
flint tusk
I put mine on a dagger
same, most likely to not be replaced
storm belfry
Yeah that was my thinking a while back
flint tusk
as BIS is mythic sarka then it's crafted dagger
storm belfry
Very safe choice
dark token
this dag means we definitely run crafted offhand
only problem with food buff dagger is you cant embellish it if it becomes bis, or temporarily until you craft sparks in week 3
!whispyr
storm belfry
Wdym
gusty mirage
this dag means we definitely run crafted offhand
Is that a max ilvl dagger that isn’t haste vers????
Wow
About time
flint tusk
xD
storm belfry
only problem with food buff dagger is you cant embellish it if it becomes bis, o...
Embellish the dagger or what do you mean. I’m confused
dark token
ye
storm belfry
What else would you put on it
earnest remnant
Is that a max ilvl dagger that isn’t haste vers????
i almost got as excited seeing that dagger, as i do seeing your face every day
fierce sigil
Hey guys…. First week/weeks of Raid and m+ is it better to play Assa or sub and Not Outlaw cause the tset just doesnt Work?
gray crest
gray crest
This is the only loot we get from the raid this tier
fierce sigil
😂
dark token
This is the only loot we get from the raid this tier
why hunter
i think its rogue/dh, no?
gusty mirage
Why would it be DH
gray crest
Dh at least has a raid buff
gusty mirage
DH buffs warlock and ele shaman
dark token
cause they are doing awful dmg
gusty mirage
✅ required
dark token
and you might run a veng dh as a result
gray crest
Still a dh
gusty mirage
Vengeance is kind of a dogshit tank
dark token
wheres that meta meme with straight onto the bench
also my guild has 2 dhs soooooo one of them rip
final star
Everyone and their nan will be prot pally x2 or prot pally + bdk
gusty mirage
Plus havoc does decent ST and good cleave
So you’d bring one
And play 2 good tanks
rocky ruin
Plus havoc does decent ST and good cleave
And debuff
gusty mirage
Yea
rocky ruin
We are just a debuff but for the raidteam
gusty mirage
If vengeance wasn’t dogshit havoc players would have to be worried
But luckily for them
Vengeance kinda blows
spice surge
Idk as always you just get all the required buffs and then you fill the rest of the spots with your best players
dark token
i should just play mage
rocky ruin
Idk as always you just get all the required buffs and then you fill the rest of ...
I thought class matters not players
gusty mirage
Prot pally just too good tbh to considering another tank
spice surge
Assuming the sims are 100% accurate the balance is pretty good. A 5% variance from the middle isnt humongous
dark token
didnt they just get hefty nerfs
dark token
Assuming the sims are 100% accurate the balance is pretty good. A 5% variance fr...
5% variance is enough to get you benched for doing 10% dmg less than top spec
gusty mirage
I thought class matters not players
Sure seems that way doesn’t it, real weird after their whole “bring the player not the class” mantra
Then they doubled down on raid buffs and externals
spice surge
Player is still significantly more important than class though
dark token
anyone got the dh meta image with "straight onto the bench lmao"
rocky ruin
Player is still significantly more important than class though
Not when you play assa
gusty mirage
Losing a DH debuff is a bigger damage loss than playing a worse player
strange python
cause they are doing awful dmg
They do more than us.
spice surge
Like ye another class can do 5% more damage than you, but if they cause 5 more wipes because they play poorly then that damage is likely not worth it
strange python
That's such a tired and bullshit argument.
dark token
Sure seems that way doesn’t it, real weird after their whole “bring the player n...
wod was actually last time this was decent
when every class had some buff
we had some multistrike buff to the raid or something
gusty mirage
Yeah not sure what happened to that mentality
And how it vanished in less than 2 expacs lol
dark token
legion was alright cause you had scrolls and then bfa/df were awful
strange python
The notion that class tuning doesn't matter because everyone should just sit in a guild where they're 50% better than their peers is toxic and needs to die.
gusty mirage
Doing shit damage is a little easier to stomach if you had a purpose in the raid
But it is what it is
uncut echo
Idk I enjoyed the game outside of raid
gusty mirage
Im glad that you did
uncut echo
Idk what this obsession with tuning is all about
gusty mirage
But mythic plus has been awful
uncut echo
I agree, it's a bit utility heavy
gusty mirage
It was awful in SL, and it’s awful in dragonflight
Removing a seasonal doesn’t make a dungeon fun
These dungeons are horrendous
spice surge
The notion that class tuning doesn't matter because everyone should just sit in ...
Thats not what i said at all. But sure 
uncut echo
So does tuning have a direct impact on your enjoyment in raid
Or would you rather the class play well
Which I believe it does
dark token
i ran 5 heroics for the box and whenever i got brackenhide or halls of infusion or neltharus i wanted to kms
gusty mirage
I disagree, I think rogue shifted into something that’s very much not the usual rogue playstyle
strange python
It's what you implied whether or not you meant to
gusty mirage
Assassination jumped apm with a bunch of buttons that have no cohesion
rocky ruin
Tuning and enjoyment are bound to be together i think
uncut echo
Tuning and enjoyment are bound to be together i think
No they aren't
gusty mirage
Sub had gloomblade do more damage than shadowstrike
dark token
i think we dont have a lot of self synergy compared to other specs
gusty mirage
Minimizing the dance windows
uncut echo
That's a personal election
uncut echo
Sub had gloomblade do more damage than shadowstrike
I was explictly talking sin, sub is atrocious
spice surge
It's what you implied whether or not you meant to
Not at all, i said you should bring your best players, not that tuning didnt matter
dark token
Sub had gloomblade do more damage than shadowstrike
i dont really see this mattering cause dance windows still feel impactful and the spec plays smoothly
gusty mirage
Assassination is awful
strange python
You're implying the same thing again.
final star
i dont really see this mattering cause dance windows still feel impactful and th...
What you lying for
Dance windows don't matter
gusty mirage
It’s the same old shit but with extra buttons sprinkled in
dark token
i think sin could use some help for sure but outlaw/sub play better than they did all of SL or bfa
spice surge
But this is like the forth time this week youre just responding to what you imagine im typing so idk
gusty mirage
DF brought no changes to the playstyle and just added extra buttons
And gave us extra energy to not feel like we’re AFKing
uncut echo
DF brought no changes to the playstyle and just added extra buttons
How would you change the playstyle?
spice surge
And gave us extra energy to not feel like we’re AFKing
The AFKing was way better
uncut echo
Sin is not supposed to be fast imho
strange python
i think sin could use some help for sure but outlaw/sub play better than they di...
Sub plays worse than it ever has
spice spire
Vein ripperrrrrrrr
uncut echo
Nah big agree there oxi
dark token
Sub plays worse than it ever has
ur cracked
strange python
It's a very common opinion.
uncut echo
No it isn't
dark token
perforated veins and ER playstyle in shadowlands sucked so hard
gusty mirage
Bringing cd planning windows back rather than “is it off CD? Press it”
final star
Sub is objectively worse now than it was in shadowlands
dark token
spice surge
Go back to dots actually mattering
I believe this is purposefully done by blizzard, no specs have dots that matter now
final star
Gameplay and design
uncut echo
Sub is objectively worse now than it was in shadowlands
Subjective imho
final star
Are worse
strange python
PV was at least interesting and required reactions and awareness.
spice surge
Its all just "apply the dots so your other spells can hit them"
strange python
DF sub is an afk script
gray crest
Sub is objectively worse now than it was in shadowlands
You really gonna say that after s3/S4 sub?
gusty mirage
I believe this is purposefully done by blizzard, no specs have dots that matter ...
Idk DH had a build where their throw glaive dot was like 18% of their damage
dark token
annoying is not interesting imo
i want a rotation that is consistent and smooth which is what it is currently
final star
You really gonna say that after s3/S4 sub?
ER sub was based as fuck
spice spire
Damage being in your builders is not fun
gusty mirage
Envenom hits like a wet noodle
gray crest
That's not what I was referring to
final star
i want a rotation that is consistent and smooth which is what it is currently
Gloomblade enjoyer
spice spire
S3/4 sub had an annoying set
dark token
sure they could move dmg away from gloomblade into sectech and evisc
but that doesnt change rotation at all
rotation feels nice
final star
You can fuck up every single dance window
spice surge
Idk DH had a build where their throw glaive dot was like 18% of their damage
Assa has dots doing more than that though (atleast combined)
final star
But as long as you spam GB on globaln
dark token
i personally prefer giga finisher playstyle as well
final star
No punishment
rocky ruin
Assa is like Trynda Kit old, outdated still not old enough for a rework
uncut echo
Envenom hits like a wet noodle
Are 200k crits a wet noodle
stuck knoll
and DK
dark token
No punishment
eh on aoe maximinzing dance windows matters
gray crest
S3/4 sub had an annoying set
The tier set looked good on paper but playing it and having so much rng influence how well you did made me swap mage for the rest of season 4
strange python
Wanting a smooth and consistent damage profile is fine. But that's never been subs niche until now and it's cringe to kill the specs identity for something that's the opposite
dark token
pure ST, sure
gusty mirage
Assa has dots doing more than that though (atleast combined)
Yeah, but when 90% of our damage comes from dots that’s kind of expected
gusty mirage
Are 200k crits a wet noodle
Yes?
spice surge
Im mostly referring to shadow priest or affli dots not doing much damage, theyre just enablers for your other singletarget spells to clear
slow tulip
can you play ally in a horde guild now or ? thx in advance if anyone knwos
gusty mirage
Having envenom crit every 5 minutes for 200k is a wet noodle
gusty mirage
Chaos bolt crits for that outside of pot and cooldowns lmao
uncut echo
It's almost like the sub one tricks have the same opinion
Does that make your opinion worth more?
spice surge
Seems like blizzard is just scared of making multidotting good again, because back in the day when it was good, its was SOOOOOO good
gusty mirage
Seems like blizzard is just scared of making multidotting good again, because ba...
I agree
Kinda disappointing tho
Tbh
Multi dotting feels rewarding
final star
Does that make your opinion worth more?
Just like I trust an assa one trick more than my opinion on the spec, sure
uncut echo
No that's fair
spice surge
Also kindof the reason why spriests keep getting reworked
uncut echo
Im not trying to be an ass
spice surge
Because they cant land in a good spot without multidotting, since that was their whole thing
uncut echo
But I think some people like it
gusty mirage
Because they cant land in a good spot without multidotting, since that was their...
Yeah makes sense
Maybe they should just embrace it instead of trying to phase it out
That’s why I like assa in m+, I love multi dotting
spice surge
I present it like facts but its just my tinfoil hat theory. It makes sense to me though
gusty mirage
It’s engaging to me
final star
It's hard to explain to people who have never played a spec outside of this single bubble why it's the worst iteration and not come across as a bit of a dick tbh 😭
spice surge
That’s why I like assa in m+, I love multi dotting
Ye which is why i hate IC
Or atleast IC on such a short cd
strange python
Maybe the game just isn’t for me anymore
The game isn't for rogues anymore.
stuck knoll
It's almost like the sub one tricks have the same opinion
I was just saying the other people who I know agree
slow tulip
!sheet
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz
gusty mirage
I think IC was a good bandaid solution
stuck knoll
and both are pretty fuckin respectable sources
gusty mirage
But it is not a capstone
strange python
Rogues coming off it's strongest tier in years and its playrates have plummeted
subtle tundra
I feel like pushing m+ has burnt me out so much
subtle tundra
Ic remove pls
gusty mirage
And not a great one at that
final star
I was just saying the other people who I know agree
Sub one tricks will agree current sub damage profile is dog shit, assa one tricks will agree current design of the spec is dog shit, outlaw who cares - the point being people who have only just picked up the spec will think it's sunshine and rainbows and really cool
spice surge
Should make dots tick way harder and have IC as like a 3-5 min big cd, or make it more like 30s cd so its a complete bandaid for keeping rupture up at all times
Now its just weird
dark token
feral multidotting so good tho
its just confusing to me why sin/sub multidotting isnt similar they already have the tech
strange python
Druids cry more.
gusty mirage
Should make dots tick way harder and have IC as like a 3-5 min big cd, or make i...
100%
spice spire
Sub one tricks will agree current sub damage profile is dog shit, assa one trick...
Ur a real one for this one
subtle tundra
Having ic 45 seconds means our dots can't hit hard
final star
When people have played a single spec, not even a class, but spec for 5-10 years kinda get a grasp on why current design is an offense 🤣
strange python
The community has spent four years responding to every single patch note and balance update with whining about the state of feral. Not a shock blizzard gave the spec attention. Public relations 101
dark token
theoretical: if IC was completely a passive ability that was always active, would sin be better than the other specs in m+
i think still no
spice surge
Because the concept of being able to apply your large garrote to all targets is cool, but having it on a short cd makes it so it cant be that cool
Which is why if it had like a 3-5 min cd and the garrotes did way more damage it could feel like a big cd
strange python
theoretical: if IC was completely a passive ability that was always active, woul...
Sin doesn't need to be better than others. It needs to not feel awful.
dark token
i mean rogue is pretty good in dungeons so by definition if its better than the other specs its at least A tier for m+
spice surge
Since thats my main gripe with playing rogue atm, CDs are just meh (in m+ mostly, deathmark is ok in raid)
final star
Assa needs scalability on applying more bleeds in aoe
dark token
ye the spec has 0 self scaling
thorny aurora
!fuu
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spice surge
Assa needs scalability on applying more bleeds in aoe
Either that or have less scalability with stronger bleeds
dark token
compared to when i played ww in shadowlands they had some exponential scaling going on in aoe with a passive affecting a passive affecting an ability
a lot of other specs have some similar things
final star
Na I think we can all agree do bigger damage to less targets in aoe is poor design (blade flurry)
Bleeds should be stronger
dark token
sin just fundamentally needs to either make multidotting good af so you constantly multidot and feel happy about it, or an actual good aoe finisher dump after you make your multidot setup
final star
But there should also be reason to apply more
dark token
something like scaling crimson tempest dmg by number of active ruptures
raven merlin
IC bleeds do 20% more dmg, so vaible in ST too
dark token
or just make ruptures/garrotes good af so you multidot and are happy
white orchid
Most classes can also utilize their big damage CD in aoe as well while assass can’t so that never helps it’s case in m+
dark token
things like scent of blood are super weak patch for what needs to happen
minor gate
IC is kinda cheeks
minor gate
Most classes can also utilize their big damage CD in aoe as well while assass ca...
Them making our new CD still be single target and then making our talents and also how they’re making our tier kinda says they don’t know what to do with us
I wouldn’t mind if they made IC just slightly better than subtlety’s rupture cleave
It’s not exactly great to have your input in an aoe fight revolve almost souly around a 45 second cooldown
strange python
Them making our new CD still be single target and then making our talents and al...
Make our main damage be single target only, but our tier set give an AoE amp, and then leaving us as the worst AoE and worst ST spec
Peak design.
velvet bridge
desert tiger
Are we going to be changing our Lariat this tier? Or is it still BIS?
strange python
Just give it twenty minutes and someone will come say tuning doesn't matter
minor gate
Just give it twenty minutes and someone will come say tuning doesn't matter
“Tuning doesn’t matter” people when I tune them out
subtle tundra
🙌
white orchid
Are we going to be changing our Lariat this tier? Or is it still BIS?
I changed it already with a 421 neck and it sims better than lariat
desert tiger
Gotcha ty for the info! 😄
white orchid
Gotcha ty for the info! 😄
Replaced lariat with 418 slimy boots for the second crafted item
Just bc that’s what I had
desert tiger
Yeah im just now gearing this toon so i dont got any of the high end primal infusions to make giga gear
white orchid
Yeah im just now gearing this toon so i dont got any of the high end primal infu...
Yea fair enough lol. But yea def replacing it.
desert tiger
Ill work on that doe thanks!
storm forum
When can I stop trying for eggnog ring?
uncut echo
Whenever you want sweetheart
storm belfry
dark token
When can I stop trying for eggnog ring?
if you play sin, when you get a 447+ ring
just craft one in a couple weeks, its bis
gray crest
are you guys behaving
No
gusty mirage
delicate hemlock
can assa funnel the same way subt can? do you get a lot of combo points from aoe builder cause of the combo-points-from-crit talent?
😦
gusty mirage
sub has an easier time generating combo points
so no
whereas assassination relies on crit
and you can't guarantee you'll crit
delicate hemlock
gotcha, thanks
static glacier
also the payoff for evisc vs env is higher on one target
gusty mirage
gotcha, thanks
dark token
can assa funnel the same way subt can? do you get a lot of combo points from aoe...
sub can funnel?
pretty sure gloomblading a target does more single target then funnel eviscerating
young briar
Any leatherworkers on Draenor here?
woeful meteor
pretty sure gloomblading a target does more single target then funnel eviscerati...
think funneling with evis is like 3k dps more on prio target
so funneling and gloomblading at high lingering would probably be the highest prio dmg
turbid heath
I'm back from a lil break - is our opener still the same?
brazen zodiac
welcome back c:
brazen zodiac
hi oxi c:
cold spoke
depends on the break
cold spoke
just play classic 
turbid heath
thanks troops
cold spoke
true dont want to taint them
cold spoke
i remember pressing fok twice and bottoming energy, truly epic
cold spoke
yee press mutilate go make a sandwitch, still not enough for another one
cold spoke
i much prefer it right now
gusty mirage
I think I do too
gusty mirage
I wish they'd curb back the energy regen a smidgen to let our abilities hit harder
but it is what it is
cold spoke
i dont even know how many buttons other classes have, i know fury has like 3 but that doesnt count
cold spoke
i know enhance been complaining about bloat
gusty mirage
assassination rotation went from like 5 buttons max
to like 10 dif ones in the opener
gusty mirage
I want my boomer rotation back god damnit
spice surge
And more importantly, few of them have any good interactions with the spec
gusty mirage
cold spoke
kingsbane exsang felt like playing 2 specs at once at some point
gusty mirage
And more importantly, few of them have any good interactions with the spec
hold up I can mental gymnastics this
sbs gives you a stack for lethal dose
ER gives you big rupture for exsang
cold spoke
left side bleeds + exsang, 2nd one kingsbane and tb / tea
gusty mirage
yeah rogue trees are a bit... yikers
spice surge
Ambush is big oof, exsang is exsang, sbs is just a dot and a worse builder than ambush and then ER does have some impact but eh
spice surge
ER should really be doing nature damage
cold spoke
i wish sbs was free energy
cold spoke
spice surge
but the bells eleem
You can ring my balls
gusty mirage
not even the 5 stacks part
but the free cleave
wasn't assassination's niche 2-3T cleave?
the fuck happened to that?
cold spoke
thats warlocks now
gusty mirage
I'm waiting for soulburn soulstone to be a thing
so they get an insta brez
to just be the unseatable hero class of wow
brazen zodiac
time to be a warlock :(
cold spoke
you bring 5 rogues to a fight they delete a spec for an xpac
you bring 4 warlocks to every fight and they buff em
gusty mirage
I came back to the game around the time they nerfed it
I was hype toplay sub
then shuriken combo got destroyed
and I was like k guess we play assassination now
sick
spice surge
I was hype toplay sub
I remember thinking that "sub is pretty cool for m+ because you dont have aoe you just have priority damage"
And then it didnt anymore 
gusty mirage
man what I would give to go back and play sub in legion
cold spoke
mistress etc
gusty mirage
probably an unpopular opinion
cause most people loved wod sub
which is fair, but I never played wod
cold spoke
wod was nice, quite straightforward but solid spec
gusty mirage
yeah I hear it's only downfall is there wasn't enough content
but the content that was there was good
cold spoke
skipped mop 
cold spoke
oof
rocky ruin
one boss actually killed the spec
In our case 1 Talent Change everything goes down
gusty mirage
which from what I hear, and from leveling through the zones
seemed like an amazing expac
- the challenge mode mog
cold spoke
gusty mirage
cold spoke
good old shadowstep to buff ambush
gusty mirage
crazy how much the game's evolved over the years
cold spoke
mop was amazing xpac, but rogue gameplay was better in wod
esp sub
then it got shafted
because they wanted to make it more accesible
passive shadow dance really epic
gusty mirage
it's okay I'll get to experience it in wod classic
speaking of classic, what a 400 iq play by blizzard
they realized they can't stop all the private servers so they brought back all the expacs people are nostalgic about
I hope we at least get to mop classic
I'd like to give that a whirl
gusty mirage
I'm guessing tbc classic wasn't as popular as regular classic
that's the only thing I can think of as to why they shut it down
or they just plan on playing through the expansion progression again while still keeping the OG classic rolling
spice surge
speaking of classic, what a 400 iq play by blizzard
Bro theyll just release hardcore classic servers now, 0 effort tons of money
cold spoke
mop classic 
spice surge
Easiest business model of all time
gusty mirage
yeah man
cold spoke
cata classic 
gusty mirage
bolster wow subs
for people wanting that hit of nostalgia
I tried out classic
got to level 21
said fuck this shit and went back to retail
deft flicker
Bro theyll just release hardcore classic servers now, 0 effort tons of money
And no one will play it because you can’t just go and undie the character
spice surge
Thats the point that you cant do it
gusty mirage
otherwise the hardcore ladder in poe wouldn't exist
cold spoke
And no one will play it because you can’t just go and undie the character <:star...
you could maybe log in in a prison or sth 
gusty mirage
yeah you prioritize smol upgrades more
spice surge
Its "fuckfuckfuck fuck fuck no not like this", "phew i survived"
gusty mirage
makes the process feel more important
depends really on what you prioritize
if you're about end game, which I'm assuming the majority of the wow community
then non-hardcore is perfect for you
just go farm elites in SM with a frost mage
to your hearts content
deft flicker
I mean yeah but I’ve seen a ton of posts about how people just can’t take the L and start messing with hardcore addon’s trackers to make characters viable again
spice surge
Ye but i think thats a minority
gusty mirage
lemme find the alkaizer ruthless hardcore clip
spice surge
A lot more people probably just quit after they die tbh
gusty mirage
he ran a map in poe w/ phys reflect
and one shot himself
and was like "well fuck"
deft flicker
A lot more people probably just quit after they die tbh
Yeah, that’s what I’d do probably
gray crest
You guys talked about old sub rogue and didn't include me
gusty mirage
You guys talked about old sub rogue and didn't include me<:sitmadge:109897293060...
shut up fed
the boys are talking
gray crest
gray crest
That was great. Plus shitting on kittenz doesn't feel the same anymore
gusty mirage
roujin was my rogue friend
spice spire
spice spire
Mage players 
gray crest
Dark times
gray crest
Too annoyed with sub tier set
spice spire
Rogue to mage pipe line 
gray crest
I thought the tier set was cool as hell until I progged xymox
gray crest
And realized how shit it was
gusty mirage
this man
sat on the sidelines
brought him on jailer
and he absolutely mopped the floor with the other dps
we were holding hands at the top of the meters
gusty mirage
untl s4 when the soaks led the bombs to explode faster
and the damage amp made heroic harder than mythic
spice spire
gusty mirage
because why would anyone test that
motes on denathrius making the game unplayable
gray crest
Blizzard playing their game? What a wild implication
gusty mirage
motes on sylv also making the game unplayable
I'll always remember fated lords of dread
with the soak mechanic
one of them fell on the ceiling
and just wiped
cause no one could soak it
earnest remnant
clearly just didn't try hard enough
gray crest
gusty mirage
true
gusty mirage
@earnest remnant we getting people out of traffic tickets
through the power of nepotism
are you proud of me
earnest remnant
lmfao
gusty mirage
the prosecutor is a good friend of mine
she was on the phone for legit 15 minutes on zoom
earnest remnant
ive been working nonstop for last like 13 days in a row
spice spire
Moxi
earnest remnant
im swapping departments after summer
gusty mirage
she told me yesterday that she gave up on me giving her grandchildren
cold spoke
and outlaw's set didn't even work
just like now hehe
gusty mirage
Yeah but I don’t have to worry about her anymore
I mean her legs still all sorts of fucked up
when she's being mean I call her a cripple
because I'm a good son
spice spire
I mean, she’s older. It won’t return to normal.
But it’s not like
Day it happened bad
Or months after bad
gusty mirage
yeah I'll never forget that phone call
spice spire
(I pray)
gusty mirage
dark times
spice spire
cold spoke
haha do you guys remember when they made cps on player by accident and then couldnt go back because everyone was pogging like crazy
gusty mirage
oh god
that was the worst thing about going back to classic
remember the OG way CPs worked?
cold spoke
and then when rogue was dogshit in highmaul they said its because rogues are still adapting to cp change
gusty mirage
yeah good times
cold spoke
i think you could in wotlk
earnest remnant
boomers
cold spoke
same
gusty mirage
with the way you're sleeping/working you'll feel older than I'll ever be
cold spoke
hes right tho the older i get the worst my parses are 
gusty mirage
dead ass making @spice spire feel like he sleeps a normal schedule
earnest remnant
quiet embryo
spice spire
??
gusty mirage
idk how much of it is our age slowing us down
spice spire
Bro why the flame
gusty mirage
or our age making us less likely to give a shit
spice spire
What do u gain
earnest remnant
my sleep is completely normal
gusty mirage
like what's an extra 2k dps gonna do
earnest remnant
to me
spice spire
Mine is
cold spoke
or our age making us less likely to give a shit
im fast as fuck boi
gusty mirage
who cares
spice spire
Interesting
gusty mirage
Interesting
stealthi spends more time awake in EST timezone than he does his timezone
and he's trying to make you think its normal
weird
cold spoke
my biggest downfall is thinking boss is easy as fuck then i die
gusty mirage
earnest remnant
stealthi spends more time awake in EST timezone than he does his timezone
its gonna get worse
gusty mirage
my biggest downfall is thinking boss is easy as fuck then i die <:LULW:611247857...
I rarely die
cold spoke
By going wfh
wfh gang
earnest remnant
after prog is over im going to korea for 2 weeks
earnest remnant
im gonna play from there
gusty mirage
Working 40 miles away from home since 2019 gang
yeah fuck that bro
I work 10 miles from home and I cba driving it half the time
cold spoke
i work 0 miles from home
spice spire
Tbh
cold spoke
thanks covid
gusty mirage
i work 0 miles from home
unfortunately some courts decided to insist on returning to in person
spice spire
If drive was 30-40 minutes
gusty mirage
deft flicker
I'm just like "idk man I'm dumb"
took Deadened Nerves talent
hand goes numb mid-pull
cold spoke
i was lucky enough they employed fuckloads of externals
earnest remnant
when im gonna play from Seoul raid starts at like 2:45 in the mornin @gusty mirage
gusty mirage
when im gonna play from Seoul raid starts at like 2:45 in the mornin <@192059095...
lol
earnest remnant
its gonna be fine
ember mural
On a good side, I may gain 6 hours a day
gusty mirage
I can't wait to prog on my birthday for the 3rd year in a row guys
cold spoke
so when company told to return to the office partially, our department couldnt because i was the only remaining guy from the city
gusty mirage
I'm so hype
ember mural
I can retire the sticker
earnest remnant
I can't wait to prog on my birthday for the 3rd year in a row guys
less of an L than cocaine bear tbh
gusty mirage
less of an L than cocaine bear tbh
I wiped on anduin
for 3.5 hours
on my birthday
earnest remnant
id still take that
cold spoke
happy birthday 
cold spoke
how old are you
gusty mirage
33, turning 34
earnest remnant
cold spoke
normies unite
earnest remnant
my internet is gone
tawny pike
please god i don't wanna main subtetly...
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
please god i don't wanna main subtetly...
it's okay you don't have to
all 3 specs are perfectly mediocre enough for you to play what you want to
earnest remnant
i cant imagine how it would be to have to be in there all day
tawny pike
noooooo....
earnest remnant
i already hate it enough when they come into sub
tawny pike
i rerolled from Fire Mage i just wanted to press buttons and kill things...
gusty mirage
you better do whatever it is mages did in 10.0 to get rogue buffed then
sacrifice a small child
whatever
earnest remnant
the amount of times ive had to explain Finality rupture this tier
cold spoke
i rerolled from Fire Mage i just wanted to press buttons and kill things...
mistakes were made
gusty mirage
pls make it happen
earnest remnant
thankfully finality rupture is gone next tier
worn badger
Sacrafice Vulpera
cold spoke
thankfully finality rupture is gone next tier
you can explain it one last time
viscid spear
sacrifice me
worn badger
can we just go back to being as good as end of cata please ?
earnest remnant
nah i have a picture for it
cold spoke
nah i have a picture for it
earnest remnant
then they can try and figure it out from that
gusty mirage
can we just go back to being as good as end of cata please ?
I'll settle for end of bfa except with sub not being doo doo
cold spoke
where is it i havent seen that one
earnest remnant
cuz its mine
tawny pike
you better do whatever it is mages did in 10.0 to get rogue buffed then
no buffs can ever fix fire mage and it's 3~4 seconds long casts, it's a dead spec
storm belfry
cold spoke
yeah data is in guys
gusty mirage
they're crying that they have to play mm hunter now
to do top 5 dps
imagine
crying about having a spec that can actually do damage
cold spoke
its like rolling ranged from melee tbf
earnest remnant
crying about having a spec that can actually do damage
tbf i would too if it was to outlaw
gusty mirage
yeah they can't jump around while their pets passively do 60% of their damage anymore
poor things
cold spoke
bm hunters are glorified dog walkers
gusty mirage
the fact that BM hunter was ever a top spec
is actually a tragedy to world of warcraft
storm belfry
Wasn’t it in TBC
gusty mirage
probably
gusty mirage
hunter was kinda op in classic
storm belfry
Disregard
worn badger
i dont wanna go to work today, its a sailing regata weekend and we have a 300+ banquet today, 400+ tommorow and 250 on saturday =/ id rather go play subt with swords
gusty mirage
storm belfry
It’s a slow day for me
gusty mirage
god speed my friend
storm belfry
I will play hearthstone and read emails
cold spoke
gusty mirage
that sounds absolutely miserable
cold spoke
im personally on holidays rn
storm belfry
Good luck on your endeavors
worn badger
im a sous so at least i dont have to chop the pico for the taco bar
gusty mirage
@earnest remnant hows work going
earnest remnant
thankfully i only have short raid today, been awake for 20 hours already
earnest remnant
<@83652604344664064> hows work going
uhhh
storm belfry
thankfully i only have short raid today, been awake for 20 hours already
Bro go to sleep
earnest remnant
preparing to swap to a different area after summer
storm belfry
Jesus
gusty mirage
he doesn't sleep
worn badger
rogues dont sleep, we just take ever expanding amounts of caffeine laced absinthe
gusty mirage
now imagine how much hotter you'd be if you slept
storm belfry
Undefeated guild
gusty mirage
just saying bro
earnest remnant
but its quite normal for me to be awake for more than 24 hours at a time
storm belfry
Bro how old are you
worn badger
thats not normal
earnest remnant
25
gusty mirage
in any sense of the word
storm belfry
That is not healthy
gusty mirage
lmao