assassination

[fathom swift]

but the 50 million gem combos

[balmy condor]

embellishments, annulet, trinkets

they all fail

how many trinkets "have a chance"

or "periodically"

[fathom swift]

member when they used to just straight up put proc chance and icd in the trinket tooltip

[haughty flicker]

I love flavor text in descriptions instead of useful information

[thorn adder]

simming is just a part of the game now them saying they want to reduce the need for it is just dumb

[haughty flicker]

Never forget iqd

???

[balmy condor]

I mean they keep saying they don't want people to rely on sims, or weakauras

and then everything they've tried has just caused outrage and more issues

[thorn adder]

well i mean... they make the game better for the most part.

[haughty flicker]

Speaking of weak auras

I wonder what mechanics they’re planning on blocking them from interacting with

[balmy condor]

"oh lets make a trinket that procs off ranged abilities"
not realizing they gave every spec in the game some form of ranged ability through updates over the last 3-4 years

and now we got this mess

[balmy condor]

the imposter event on lords of dread was a big one

that was the catalyst to all this

[thorn adder]

seems like they need to just spend the time and go in and fix it with issues like this

[balmy condor]

the court of stars finder was just the straw on top for them to pull the trigger

[thorn adder]

thats the easiest answer, and im sure they have someone that can do it

[haughty flicker]

Oh yeah ik what caused it, I was just wondering what this tier would use it for

[balmy condor]

the neltharion thing I guess

idk

[haughty flicker]

Will be interesting to see

I’m sure they have some cancer mechanic on final boss planned for it

[thorn adder]

@balmy condor i mean the good news is if you do convince your raid to give the trinket to you, you have to be one of the first people to get it since you literally cant get it from your vault

and if not then your last in line at that point

[balmy condor]

there is no way you're convincing a loot council for that

[drifting cloud]

rogue getting trinket

[balmy condor]

if you manage to convince them, respectfully your guild is actually dogshit

[fathom swift]

melee are definitely last in line in my guild

[balmy condor]

because that's just the dumbest thing

and your council has 0 idea

[thorn adder]

yea true

its crazy good for most classes than can use it without some weird shit happening

[fathom swift]

it's bis for almost every ranged anyway, even if it only has a chance of getting fixed for melee why would you not give to someone that it's guaranteed always bis for

[thorn adder]

i think you said its like 1.2% ahead or something

ima just not worry about it

[gusty mirage]

because we're cooler than ranged

think about it

what's cooler, a literal warrior bringing down the wrath of god via glowy hammers

or some idiot in a dress in the back throwing fire at the boss

[fathom swift]

damn that does sound pretty cool

maybe I should play ret

[drifting cloud]

how much can you upgrade a lfr/normal one to

[balmy condor]

heroic ilvl I think

lfr to normal

normal to heroic

[drifting cloud]

ah like that

[fathom swift]

lfr is 424 normal is 437

[balmy condor]

yeh

you can go up 1 difficulty

in terms of upgrades

is how I try to remember it

[fathom swift]

ya just not with heroic cause they cap it

[balmy condor]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

yeah im going ham with the patch

[gusty mirage]

woah slow down ryler

don't wanna zoom through the content too fast

[fathom swift]

which weirdly makes normal items almost as good as heroic with max upgrades

[drifting cloud]

im taking rasz pants from vault so I can cataylst them in a month

big sub gains

[balmy condor]

lord forbid the casuals have to do more difficult content

[fathom swift]

im not against it from that pov, just means you're more incentivized to keep running normal all of prog for trinkets

[thorn adder]

i already ran normal and heroic every week for 99% of the tier last tier trying to get rasz bow

[gusty mirage]

dirt? more like DIRTY HUNTER

got em

[thorn adder]

my hunters name is literally Dirthunter

[gusty mirage]

touche

[thorn adder]

[balmy condor]

idk, I always hate these types of systems because it just de-values harder content. If you're a normal raider, you don't feel as much of a reason to do heroic now, because most of the stuff from early heroic is just dogshit for you at that point

[drifting cloud]

I got a mythic bow but doesnt sim great for assa

[winged veldt]

Seems legit. Run normal or heroic and end up in gear one tier higher eventually just by waiting for crest cap to reset. Catering to casual shit

[balmy condor]

like in vault, if it weren't for eranog ring/icon

everything before sennarth would be irrelevant

[gusty mirage]

did you try with PI

[winged veldt]

GL getting those off the dk lol

[balmy condor]

terros dagger for example

who the fuck is using terros dagger

[fathom swift]

yeah that is true, you can basically comfortably get mythic geared through keys + low level raiding + crafted items now, the only things you end up missing out on are like giga ilvl trinkets from late mythic bosses

[balmy condor]

terros could not have a dagger

and no one would care

cause you already outgear it by the time you get there

[balmy condor]

and the same issue happens for normal and heroic

[fathom swift]

so the incentive really only becomes like personal satisfaction or bragging rights, loot is not a big deal

[thorn adder]

killed heroic rasz pretty much all tier until nerf, and mythic 2 times and never got either

only got normal one out of weekly cache

[balmy condor]

yeah but you could've just as easily crafted another 421, or valored a 415

[gusty mirage]

ryler doesn't play the game

[drifting cloud]

not during prog

[gusty mirage]

he collects mounts

and afks

[drifting cloud]

no valor, no sparks

[gusty mirage]

he's like the EU jez

but he mythic raids

[balmy condor]

aight fine

terros dagger has a specific use

for one person

because he progs quickly and can't get drops

[drifting cloud]

its also got avoidance, its sick

[balmy condor]

Ryler's dagger

[gusty mirage]

yeah avoids real dps gains too

double dips

[drifting cloud]

I tried ok

[gusty mirage]

if it makes you feel better I killed brood 11 times and saw the dagger exactly once

[drifting cloud]

I have it in vault this week

[gusty mirage]

naturally

I got mine last week

very useful now

[thorn adder]

@balmy condor you think i should upgrade this early or hold and just try to get raid one

[past bobcat]

If it makes you feel any better I killed her once and got a GT

[gusty mirage]

if its the best you got now, just upgrade it

the crests and shit we get now

are whatever

[balmy condor]

I would still craft a dagger

[thorn adder]

yea im gonna craft one and have this one since my other one is only 415 as well

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fine

crit vers ain't the hottest shit

but you can use it until you drop better from whatever

[thorn adder]

just was unsure if should save crests or not but i guess it dont matter cause you can pretty much upgrade the next one for free if its lower ilvl

[balmy condor]

depends how much other shit you wanna craft

[winged veldt]

Whispyr you ready for more tuning this week to totally jack up the sims again to keep us all in suspense lol. This is their ploy to push us away from sims to see their fuck ups lol

[balmy condor]

and how fast you want to craft it

[balmy condor]

yeah but hopefully with what I have simmed now it shouldn't be too much of a fuss

[past bobcat]

I mean outlaw doesn't even have sims lmao

[balmy condor]

common outlaw L

[thorn adder]

ill just upgrade this one to 424 and save the heroic ones when they come out and see what happens

[balmy condor]

incredibly reasonable and expected L from the warrior spec

[winged veldt]

True true! Thanks again for all the work brother. Doesn’t go unnoticed or unappreciated by the rest of us, or Atleast not by me

[balmy condor]

np

I love going to sleep at 7am

can watch the sunrise from my bed

and drift off

super cool

still got guide updates as well

method guide needs some love

and then some secret sims for the race

[drifting cloud]

are you hyped watching echo and liquid do splits on nelth

[balmy condor]

fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun

[drifting cloud]

to see who loots more trinkets

[strange niche]

@balmy condor are we assass on prog in your opinion? Or play whatever most comfortable with?

[drifting cloud]

@gusty mirage please no bully I swear ill do keys

(for 2-3 resets)

[gusty mirage]

my brother

[thorn adder]

@gusty mirage wtf is this shit selling 300 gold a piece

[gusty mirage]

you don't have to worry

you use those to barter items to buy prof recipes

in literally the most asinine system ever invented

[drifting cloud]

wait those arent soulbound

[gusty mirage]

they are

[drifting cloud]

oh

[thorn adder]

they are i was memeing

[gusty mirage]

whoever invented that system

needs to go live in amish country

[thorn adder]

i have herb mining

[gusty mirage]

and barter irl

[balmy condor]

whatever is fun

[thorn adder]

i dont need recipe

[gusty mirage]

easiest 390 gold of your life

ig

[thorn adder]

lmfao

[drifting cloud]

save them for mounts

[gusty mirage]

or that

yeah

there's mounts you can get w/ em

[drifting cloud]

[thorn adder]

bro wtf is this lmfaoo

can buy it with same currency

[gusty mirage]

you trade that in for a recipe

lmao

[thorn adder]

o

[gusty mirage]

I'm telling you

the system is awful

it's overly confusing for absolutely no reason

[thorn adder]

yea just let ppl buy it directly

[gusty mirage]

also thank god all these crests

and fragments

aren't in our currency tab

[thorn adder]

forreal bro

[gusty mirage]

I'm so glad I have to dedicate bag space to this shit

[haughty flicker]

blizzard heard people talking shit about having too much stuff in the currencies tab

so they just dumped it all in our bags instead

ty blizz

[cunning nest]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-the-point-of-creating-this-fantasy-captain-jean-luc-picard-star-trek-the-next-generation-what-is-the-point-of-this-lie-gif-23536592

[gusty mirage]

collect these bricks

trade the bricks for cream from one guy

then take the cream to the profession vendor of your choice

and buy the recipe

wahoo

because they don't like bricks

they want panzo's cream

[signal ridge]

[gusty mirage]

even though they could take the bricks

and trade them for the cream themselves

[signal ridge]

@balmy condor could you make flowstone require X ranged abilities in a row so meleechads couldn't proc it

Or make it much less desirable

[balmy condor]

If I could I would

I am but of mortal flesh

[signal ridge]

So far anyway...

[drifting cloud]

oh the damn trinket is from magmorax aswell ffs

actually wait thats maybe a blessing since that means only hc ilvl realistic for prog, or does it crush other stuff that badly?

[balmy condor]

it's like 1.4% better than anything else at equal difficulty

[drifting cloud]

sick

[balmy condor]

mythic one stomps class trinket and bomb and all that

[main vessel]

Well you got part of your wish

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

monkeys paw curls

rogue now only does auto attack damage

[inner temple]

just toss in a lil eviscerate and we're back to 2004 all over again XD

[west swallow]

is there a specific piece i should put my flavor pocket on or does it not matter?

[pale plank]

are we saving this for anything? or can we just use it?

[analog glade]

First spark in s2, keep it

[royal lantern]

not really, make a weapon and yeha

[strange python]

Imo keep it until you have enough mythic crests to make a 447 weapon

And see if embellishment tuning has changed by then

Weapon is a largely safe bet since you won't replace it until you get to mythic sark

[pale plank]

wait u can making 447 weapon? in the description is say 411-424

[strange python]

With higher tier crests yes

You can make a full set of 447 gear and be within 0.5% of a full mythic raid set this tier

[runic hinge]

Eventually with crests you can. You can make it now if your weapon is worse and upgrade later

[pale plank]

oh so up can upgrade the crafted weapon with crests

[strange python]

Yep

[pale plank]

bruh thats so not intuitive

[strange python]

They're functionally the new primal infusions

It's less complicated than it seems

But it's overly complicated at first

It's hard to imagine weapon isn't the safest and strongest option

But I personally have 424s so I'm waiting to craft until I have mythic crests

[pale plank]

i have a 405 dagger so i imagine it would be a good bet to get a weapon

but since i need 2 sparks, i am gonna have to wait

thanks for the help

[strange python]

Just need 1 spark, no?

Only 2hand weapons need 2 sparks

[pale plank]

ohhh bruh i check it on my hunter, never checked it on my rogue

[strange python]

The only caveat here is: if you plan to play outlaw, crafted weapons may be bad.

Because of how strong the dungeon weapons are

[royal lantern]

good thing that you should never play outlaw

[strange python]

Tbh outlaw feels like it'll be stronger than the others

Based on literally nothing but gut

[steel ridge]

Outlaw feels great with db dance kir aswell

so its a contender

[royal lantern]

"outlaw feels great" and dragonflight dont go togheter

can only use so much ducktape

[strange python]

Tbh outlaw feels better than sub atm

[steel ridge]

Variant mentioned plays alot like traditional outlaw and is not “df”

[strange python]

They're similarly spammy with sub set but at least outlaw feels a little more fluid

[steel ridge]

its Glorious but has a chance to outpace the player

[strange python]

Wouldn't go that far

Outlaw sucks. But sub sucks more

I honestly just wanna speedrun into next expansion and hope for sub and sin reworks

[steel ridge]

Oof

[oak sky]

i think even changing a couple talents like

2 or 3 could do a lot of good for sin and sub

not a full solution but something

[strange python]

Ditching lingering shadows would do a lot to fix sub

And amping up the importance of DM

[steel ridge]

Lingering is a problem but wet noodle backstab is lame aswell, can’t win that battle

[strange python]

I mean replace lingering with a shadowstrike talent, buff gloomblade baseline

[oak sky]

how is wet noodle backstab lame

its the giga outside cds filler

[strange python]

There's a huge range of options between 0 damage backstab and all-damage gloomblade

[oak sky]

i dont think 0 damage backstab would actually be that unpopular

especially if it meant bigger evisc/ shadowstrike

[balmy condor]

What if subtlety could only attack during stealth

And so like

You make dance a 50% uptime buff

Roughly

So you’re like lurking

Skulking

[oak sky]

i smell a mechanic bitch

[balmy condor]

Stealthing around

Being a little sneaky

And then BAM DANCE

outta nowhere

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

That’s my cooked take

Thanks for coming

[jade abyss]

Tastes delicious

[balmy condor]

Or

Soulcap out of stealth

[oak sky]

wonder when exsang goes away

[balmy condor]

That pops when you enter stealth

Eh?

[oak sky]

what about my sub soul cap cd

😈

[balmy condor]

Add soulcap to the class tree

So outlaw can restless blades the fuck out of it

And be stupid as per usual

[oak sky]

and then sin doesnt run it

even with kingsbane

because its randomly not good

i love it here i really do

[balmy condor]

So true AgreonMoon

[oak sky]

one day

[balmy condor]

Maybe it’s a reroll spriest angle

So I can get excited about class changes every patch

[oak sky]

i could

i might end up going priest instead of druid

idk

they kinda dumbed down boomie even more this patch

[royal lantern]

wanna re-write all sim stuff every 3months?

[oak sky]

its less fun than it was when i was trying it on .7

[jade abyss]

Eranog ring is only good on mythic version?

[balmy condor]

No

It’s good every version

It’s just less good as you get lower ilvl

[thorn adder]

hey whispyr i got a question

[balmy condor]

The worse it is, the earlier you replace it

[balmy condor]

Hey dirt I have an answer

Probably

[balmy condor]

Hopefully

[thorn adder]

is this visual bug

or

[balmy condor]

In the opener?

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s intended

It’s a choice

If you need slice, you slice

If you have slice, you ct

[royal lantern]

you have snd running, use ct

[thorn adder]

ah thanks

[oak sky]

call it a choice node

[whole mason]

should beacon's damage affected by the tier?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cold spoke]

macro them together

[whole mason]

sepsis seems not enjoying the tier yet. not sure if there will be gain if cast at 50 and on cd for 1st cast of 40% natural and 2nd cast with dm boost.

[thorn sorrel]

Hey guyz .1question after this buff for assassin should we change talent for ST ?

Or what is best talent for ST Now?

[raven knoll]

Kingsbane is poopoo

[limber lion]

Nothing changes in terms of talents.

Kingsbane still bad

[shrewd night]

Uncommon Tryan W

Some would say rare.

[thorn sorrel]

Ty guyz

[royal lantern]

kingsbane would need a additional ~50% buff to be an actual choice against DtB

yeeeha, its very undertuned

[midnight mist]

?

[shrewd night]

Did I stutter?

[midnight mist]

Orange ppl should be unbiased

I will make sure to report you to one of the purple guys

[oak sky]

common shiennar L

[shrewd night]

I am, I hate rogue gameplay equally now

[oak sky]

based

[midnight mist]

[oak sky]

common shiennar W

[royal lantern]

[oak sky]

the duality of man

[royal lantern]

DF rogue moment

[shrewd night]

Assa plays like ass compared to other bleedspecs. Outlaw isnt BFA outlaw. Sub..

[oak sky]

all the bleedspecs play like ass

ascend

[royal lantern]

GLOOMBLADEGLOOMBLADEGLOOMBLADE

I LOVE GLOOMBLADE

[oak sky]

i think they fucked up feral now didnt they

[blazing jewel]

gloomblade is cute smh

[grim jay]

I mean, its not like shiennar would be the only person with a higher discord rank that has that opinion

[cold spoke]

i dont even remember bfa outlaw

[midnight mist]

Its fine I will just make a group report then

they wont last long I can tell you that

[royal lantern]

we fought terros yesterday

sub did more dmg with rupture than me, the bleed/poison spec

i did more dmg with envenom than he did with eviscerate, the finisher/burst Spec

shit is so weird rn

just random shit doing dmg

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-cowboy-wink-wink-gay-cowboy-cowboy-gay-gif-25952268

[oak sky]

at least sectech cranks

details is just bugged

[cold spoke]

you expect rogue making sense

[rocky ruin]

Well atleast we know that our finisher is not garbage, its just fucking weak

But next tuning is rupture dmg is increased by 5%

[grim jay]

But interactions

[drifting cosmos]

back to pray for more buffs?

[shrewd night]

Feral slaps. It plays good, but damage isnt all there yet.

[oak sky]

they took away thrash

[shrewd night]

They did since yesterday?

Wild.

[oak sky]

na it applies on shred now doesnt it

-1 button

[grim jay]

Pretty sure its a damageloss if you dont thrash and just apply stuff that way in higher aoe

[burnt latch]

Dont think u play that talent in any scenario

Choice node

[oak sky]

based!

nvm feral is sick

im back on the train

[burnt latch]

[grim jay]

Warcieft motivation coach confirmed

[oak sky]

so is feral gonna be good on anything

[burnt latch]

Its doing pretty solid dmg atm tbh

It might be sick for nelths

Decent ST

wouldnt be suprised if it ends up being the best way to bring motw in the raid

[oak sky]

raid?

[burnt latch]

Its better than boomie atm anyways

Yeah

[oak sky]

cool

the other 2 are def boomie onetricks

ill be 10x better than them combined at feral

[burnt latch]

Oh yeah boomie one tricks are a plague

I honestly dont know if ud even play boomie this tier

Probably, but theyre not looking that insane tbh

[oak sky]

what about for roar

and not having a melee

[shrewd night]

The only good chicken

[burnt latch]

Yeah i means that the only reason, but even then u could just play resto

[shrewd night]

...is a fried one

[burnt latch]

Get as many power infusion bots to your warlocks as possible

[shrewd night]

Think the only doggers thing about playing cat rn is not being able to innervate in catform

[burnt latch]

Or combat ress

[grim jay]

And that you cant use claws if shirvallah appearance

[burnt latch]

Its truly a horrible experience

[shrewd night]

We have dks

[oak sky]

Only good chicken is a chicken pressing rebirth

Amen

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-strong-slim-gif-8183022

Only real feral appearance

[odd dew]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-worried-anxious-scared-gif-17776670

Are we really simming lower than WW monk ST cause im scared

[royal lantern]

boomies are so bad, all the other druid specs hate boomie 1tricks lmao

[dusk ivy]

what is the current ST bis sim ?

[tacit otter]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dusk ivy]

ty

[eager junco]

is there any indication as to which trinket we should be chasing ?

[royal lantern]

halls of infusion trinket, bomb dispenser, class trinket and beacon iirc

[spice spire]

Looks right

[balmy condor]

wtf do you think you're doing up at this hour

it's only 3

[spice spire]

Dog it’s 5 am here for me

I’m up late

[balmy condor]

or early

[grim jay]

12 pm getting ready for my meal

[spice spire]

Nah I needed to be up an hour ago

But also think I cba

[balmy condor]

????????

brubby what is your schedule?

it's 5 so I'm up late but I needed to be up an hour ago

huh?

[spice spire]

Uh so far this week, if I missed today and tomorrow (my final two shifts of the week) I’d still have ten hours overtime

But also it’s like a 12-4 sleep angle the last week

[royal lantern]

btw whisp, im not having a stroke there, but beacon really gets a bonus from assa 4set right?

for some weird reason

[blazing jewel]

4 set is generic amp and cosmic scales with nature

[balmy condor]

cosmic damage is shadow nature holy arcane

so cosmic is nature

so nature is nature

so buff

[blazing jewel]

Where was that lore pic that someone posted to explain the nature = cosmic

[royal lantern]

@faint harness so yeha, it works apperantly

[blazing jewel]

Trinket is bear prio though

[royal lantern]

EVERYONE says something different there lmao

litearlly saw somone saying "yeha, everything except holy" today allready

[dark token]

Imagine making up whatever kinda dmg you want as you go along and then never posting a list of dmg types anywhere

Can't be blizz

[blazing jewel]

Consistency is key

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's very easy

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/spell=402583/anshuul-the-cosmic-wanderer

this is the spell

you can see in the spell data

"school damage (holy, nature, shadow, arcane)"

says it twice actually

once on the spell, and then again in the effect

[spice spire]

💀

[balmy condor]

you don't have to look at an outdated wiki

just look at the spell data

[grim jay]

I mean, cosmic is the universe and shadow nature holy and arcane are the OG types in this universe

[blazing jewel]

Hey guys I was on battle.net looking for cosmic damage can someone explain this

[balmy condor]

bro just ctrl+f-ing cosmic in the discord is WILD

cosmic has physical in it

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

that would imply that only a portion of the trinket would be affected by armor

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

unless you're trying to argue that composite magic damage which includes physical is automatically subject to the full reductions of phys damage

which would then imply that a magic damage type would be equal to physical damage in every way

holy shit the rabbit hole

[strong dome]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[blazing jewel]

Whispyr are you sleep deprived

[balmy condor]

constantly

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

no bedge

method guide first

[earnest remnant]

mood

[balmy condor]

but yes

once and for all

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-raccoon-gif-20612395

[balmy condor]

cosmic is holy, nature, shadow, and arcane damage

[blazing jewel]

Stealthi hopping on disc after his 30 second nap

[balmy condor]

any global buff to shadow damage therefore would increase it

as would any global nature damage buff such as assa 4 piece

if you could combine the two specs together somehow, the effects would both apply multiplicatively

similar to any other damage increases

[normal olive]

lets say you have + nature dmg and + shadow dmg, how much +dmg do you actually get, is it only part of the cosmic dmg that gets buffed or the full thing

[balmy condor]

the full thing

[normal olive]

thats boring

[balmy condor]

because "cosmic damage" in this instance is the damage type

it's not actually portions of each

like a quarter nature, a quarter shadow

it's just all those types of magic combined

so they all apply to the full thing

similarly the new enchant/embellish for shadowflame, is shadow/fire damage

so if you could increase shadow damage, and fire damage

[normal olive]

so if you have + nature and + shadow is it multiplied or just idk 10+10=20

[balmy condor]

they would both apply

[faint harness]

isnt it whatever is the largest amp

and just once

or is that only for armor stuff

[balmy condor]

if a cosmic spell does 100 damage, and you have a 10% nature damage buff, it would do 110 damage.

if a cosmic spell does 100 damage, and you have a 10% shadow damage buff, it would do 110 damage

if a cosmic spell does 100 damage, and you have a 10% nature damage, and a 10% shadow damage buff, it would do 100 * 1.1 * 1.1, or 121 damage, so you would gain 1 "free" point of damage from the multipliers

[balmy condor]

that's armor stuff

[royal lantern]

maybe the real cosmic damage was the insanity that whisp made along the way

[normal olive]

ight thats what i wanted to know thank you mr whispyr

[balmy condor]

it would be like saying symbols doesn't buff vanish shadowstrikes, because vanish shadowstrike is a bigger multiplier

[normal olive]

[faint harness]

shouldnt this trinket be huge for assa then

as you can just hold it for the nature dmg

or do you lose a cast from doing that

[balmy condor]

you can't tho

it's a 2:30 cooldown

[faint harness]

what a dogshit is

[balmy condor]

so you would have to hold deathmarks

[faint harness]

maybe its worth holding DMs

the trinket does more than dm

kappa

[balmy condor]

I mean you say kappa

but it does

[faint harness]

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

sims have it averaging 1.35 mil

[faint harness]

it does a ton of dmg

[balmy condor]

with deathmark averaging 1

so it's kinda fight timing dependent

[faint harness]

we havent seen much trinket tuning yet tho, i assume it will happen

[normal olive]

but you can't exsang the trinket, you can exsang dm tho

[balmy condor]

cause you need to hold deathmark for 30 seconds each time, for a 40% increase on it

[shrewd night]

Gotta spec into tricks to not wasabi yourself in opener. Unluigi.

[faint harness]

there is approximately 0 chance the warlock class trinket goes live as is, i REFUSE to believe it. So trinket tuning has to happen

[balmy condor]

so you get into a situation where you can drop a deathmark, if you gain 3 empowerments

[faint harness]

its death timer sensitive i guess

awkward trying to math that out in your head mid encounter

[balmy condor]

well not only that

but that needs time

[normal olive]

Imagine being able to use your class trinket

[balmy condor]

and I'm assuming you can line it up on pull automatically

[normal olive]

[royal lantern]

its good for assa

[balmy condor]

which means you're basically already 20 seconds behind deathmark to begin with

so your next deathmark is 50 seconds behind

so you're gonna deathmark at like 3 min

[faint harness]

ye that sounds, not great

[balmy condor]

it's... messy

and then you gotta do that

2 more times

[normal olive]

not talking about assa, mainly meming about frost mage that can proc theirs only with frost orb

[balmy condor]

you're looking at a gain of uhhhhh

350k damage?

but only if you sync properly

and on fights longer than........

8:30?

[faint harness]

last boss

[balmy condor]

cause you need 3 syncs

so that's 7:30

• some wiggle room, and the first cast

so you'd be at around 8:30

and then you'd lose a deathmark, and gain 120% an'shuul damage

[blazing jewel]

We’re going to jump from 14th dps to 13th dps every 2.5 minutes

[balmy condor]

which is what

a gain of 600k

so 600k/510 seconds for 8:30

that's uh

1100 something dps

[burnt latch]

just wait till u need to hold DM to send it on a boss so u get nature buffed Bacon lining up with a fast add swap

[balmy condor]

0.8% better

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

I mean

it's.....

something I guess

[blazing jewel]

First add set on assault would actually line up perfectly

[balmy condor]

oh

wait

that's not entirely accurate

[burnt latch]

true!

[balmy condor]

cause you would also lose a tier set window

idk how much damage that's worth

[royal lantern]

you mean the fight that has a 80% chance to be a add heavy aoe party again?

[faint harness]

yes

[balmy condor]

well if we say tier is 5%, and it's got 25% uptime

then it's 1.2%

per

right

can I do that

no

I can't

I have to do it via uptime

so we go from 23.5% uptime in the situation to 17.6%

each 5% uptime is 1% damage

we lose 6%

so 1.2%

I guess I can do that

WHACK

either way losing a cast of deathmark would be fine if you didn't have tier, but losing the tier bonus would result in a loss bigger than the gain you would get from syncing the trinket properly @faint harness

back to updating guides this has been fun

[faint harness]

Hahah

great

shame it didnt work out

[blazing jewel]

Probably hold trinket until first dm is over and ignore synching after

[balmy condor]

yah on pull you would sync

allow for double on use as well

with things like fragment

[blazing jewel]

did you say double on use

[normal olive]

but what if you get blessing of autumns

[balmy condor]

which is sorta what sims were doing already, fragment + beacon with fragment in slot 1 was performing better than fragment in slot 2

[balmy condor]

but what if you didn't

[normal olive]

idk shit was whack when i got it on spider

[balmy condor]

yah problem with autumn is that your vanish doesn't sync to your deathmark either

which makes it less than ideal

[normal olive]

"we need more add dmg, sin rogue lets go!"

[balmy condor]

you gotta start holding vanishes and yucky shit

I don't wanna think about autumn

fuck you

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

I'm actually getting back to work

stop talking about dumb shit

I hate you

[normal olive]

[tacit otter]

anybody knows if the AP st build (in whispyr sheet) does more 4t dmg for example?

[balmy condor]

whispyr might know

[deft flicker]

Who dat

[balmy condor]

idk it's his sheet I guess

[normal olive]

isn't he a maplestory streamer?

[tacit otter]

i thought hes busy so i dont bother him:)

[balmy condor]

I am but now I'm not

:)

I go run numbers for you

[tacit otter]

thanks alot

[deft flicker]

||also your new pfp looks a lot more seductive than the previous one 😳||

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

you want to see the original?

[deft flicker]

Yea

[balmy condor]

it's me and my gf

[deft flicker]

That’s awesome!!

Like really cute

[balmy condor]

I'm getting it printed on glass

and then giving it to her as a gift

for our 8 year anniversary

[gleaming glacier]

yo this is the rogue discord, not the rizz discord

thats actually super sweet

[normal olive]

whispyr just flexing on all the lonely people in here

[grim jay]

We all jealous on his gf

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

Omfg this makes it 80x better

[uncut echo]

I'm married and I'm lonely

[normal olive]

[uncut echo]

Ye it's called being trapped

[sweet dawn]

A WoW player with a GF? Unheard of

[uncut echo]

No, it's not that hard

[shrewd night]

VANISH

PK

Top tier legendary opener

[dark token]

you can do it but i have no idea how anyone with a kid less than 5 yrs old plays wow

[shrewd night]

Its me, Im the kid

[dark token]

considering my time to play effectively halved or 1/3rd with a gf just because i want to spend time with her

a kid must be insanity

or ur neglecting kid

[flint tusk]

you've over simplified that!

Wow Theorycrafter!!! with gf

[deft flicker]

Being good with numbers is nice

[sweet dawn]

Now that throws a spanner in the works

[balmy condor]

Aight bit of a whispyr moment, I'm gonna talk a lot about this. TLDR first is yes it's good, there's some permutations of it that might be viable to run, Idk in what situation. Rant time

When you open the sims, you'll see 4 combos. I want to talk about what the hell those are first. The "Active" profile, is the best simming single target profile, the "normal" DTB in my sheet. Then there's 3 combos of DTB+AP. The first is DTB + AP (single target), which is the DTB+AP in my sheet. That one is the highest combo of DTB+AP in single target, and it takes some whacky stuff like only specifically doomblade (you don't have the points for SBS when you run both, cursed 3 point nodes). You can however lean more into the whole cleave/aoe part of it by dropping doomblade for CT, which is the DTB+AP (CT). No doomblade means losing a bit more single target obviously, but the payoff is now you have CT. The last is the most heavy AoE of the bunch, where you drop venom rush for thrown precision at the top. That would be more fok, more cp, more better. But since you only start to fok on 3 targets, it's a bit questionable for less than that. It should also be noted, all of these run blindside, even when it doesn't make sense, just to be consistent. Obviously in 5 target aoe, you're not getting blindside value and would want to swap to TTB instead, but if you're in a situation where you would want to do that, I assume you're not trying to figure out how to adapt a single target build for cleave, so I'm focusing on semi-realistic builds for raids where you might encounter adds.

That being said, sim time:
1 target: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ddBMWWKFR8ayFNoxD5T6pZ
2 target: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bEuMMzq91JHJhki5DPctLm
3 target: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dGk4BHPRJWvwV3CPnFTMrx
4 target: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6VzkECgEVfmwH2wkc6d33s
5 target: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5MMSfHNNE3RQquoJ51vkxX
Cleave Add (this is similar to like eye of the jailer in sanctum where you have a boss and an add that's up for like half the fight): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/44beK4tCUhMiE8dKKF3xaW
Dungeonslice (for fun): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8vE8QciHbs1BjovxvFYjP6

You can see already on 2 targets, we got some CT action and it's pretty gud stuff, but it just RAMPS from there, pretty hard as well. The issue is that while it looks good because big green number = , it's.... not that impressive really. They're really good cleave profiles, but like for dungeonslice, it looks like a 5% gain, but it's also 5% behind a regular dungeonslice build, so is it really that good? Idk. I'm sure there's some niche where it could be good, but finding the situation for it to thrive, and thrive to an extent where it matters? That's really difficult. These builds would've been great for padding on Kurog farm for example where the adds started dying quicker and you wanted single target more and more. Could argue this kind of build would've also been able to pad sennarth, dathea platforms, or Raz intermissions without sacrificing too much single target in the process. But at the end of the day, you're a sin rogue, and losing 2% of your pretty good single target, to gain 5% of it back on your not good aoe is just a payoff not a lot of people would take. Which makes these kind of a confusing spot where they are clearly better in specific situations, but not so much better to demand a lot of attention from the community, and even harder than that, it's probably also not so much better to be an actual benefit in progression on an important fight.

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

babe wake up whispyr spammed my screen again

deal with it losers my channel my rules

[hollow river]

[storm onyx]

Hurray, information!

[normal olive]

that amount of letters scares me

[balmy condor]

btw all of this will eventually make it into my sheet as well

hopefully

maybe

[royal lantern]

words

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to have more niche/specialized sims like this kind of stuff in the sheet once the patch fever calms down

[dark token]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

cause there was a lot of like "I'm playing assa in m+ because I'm playing for boss damage what do I do"

so

gonna try and give options for the weird in-between things

we'll see how that works out

[grim jay]

Will I make it below your sheet tho?

[balmy condor]

you'll make it big irl

I believe in you

stonks

and then you can pay me money to bark

because running sims at 4:45 in the morning ain't paying me shit

[hollow river]

[slow tulip]

whispyr wasnt on maximum's stream yesterday and im sad about it :/

[balmy condor]

yah I was busy at that time sadly

it's okay, next time!

[grim jay]

Ngl I already am at that point, so if you are ready to bark lmk

[slow tulip]

guy put all rog specs B tier for raid @balmy condor would you put them there aswell if i might ask ? thx in advance

[balmy condor]

discord supports voice memos don't tempt me

[balmy condor]

how many tiers did max have in this one

[slow tulip]

6

[balmy condor]

and B is 3rd?

[slow tulip]

yes

[dark token]

max be like "im gonna call u in 1-2 hours to talk on stream"

[slow tulip]

no

4th

turbo S, S, A and then B

[balmy condor]

I see

[dark token]

without confirming availability of anyone

[drifting cosmos]

whats turbo S

[balmy condor]

in that case B is probably fine

if turbo S didn't exist I would've knocked it down

to a C

[slow tulip]

[balmy condor]

it's like in that B- range

[hollow river]

Means you bring 2 to prog

[grim jay]

Kinda tempting, might wait for your next stream

[drifting cosmos]

sorry, meant to ask what specs are on turbo S

[hollow river]

Oo

[royal lantern]

"insert any warlock spec that is overtuned this week here"

[hollow river]

I only watched the rogue section

[balmy condor]

wait a second clips are on though that's a digital footprint

gonna have to pay extra for having me humiliate myself in public

[spice spire]

Guy did fine

[normal olive]

what is that 4th rogue spec tho

[balmy condor]

yah this is reasonable

[slow tulip]

🫶🏻

[spice spire]

He’s not an assassin player and didn’t misinfo, spoke on the issue he knew about (4 piece design)

Consider that a major W

[deft flicker]

Combat

[balmy condor]

least backhanded compliment

[spice spire]

Dog

[balmy condor]

"dude has no fucking clue but at least he didn't say dumb shit, we take those"

[spice spire]

I dm’d him and was like “hey I know you don’t know assassin so much, here’s a tldr”

[drifting cosmos]

[royal lantern]

but you do that daily here??

[dark token]

why is ww s in m+

but sub/outlaw are not

[balmy condor]

:3

[dark token]

feel like they should swap

[spice spire]

I’d imagine it’s akin to me speaking about outlaw

[dark token]

i dont think ww actually does more dmg than rogue in keys

[royal lantern]

what did you say

[spice spire]

Except he did it way better than I would actually do in that scenario

[spice surge]

This one comment from chat was sooooo good though for those who missed it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1103428643453141063/IMG_5998.png

[spice spire]

It’s pinned in off topic man

[royal lantern]

idk why so many people hate guy

[spice surge]

Yes but who fucking checks pins in offtopic

[spice spire]

I don’t either

[royal lantern]

he is legit the RH villian

[spice spire]

True

[royal lantern]

for sooooo many

[grim jay]

WW has better ST, most of the time is losing even less going for M+ build, has better cleave and isnt really MUCH worse on big aoe, no ?

[deft flicker]

I stopped since roulette leaderboard disappeared

[cobalt hemlock]

why would you dislike him lol

[dark token]

is ww better ST now than rogue?

we are SO fucked

[cobalt hemlock]

its doomblade time

[spice spire]

Issues with 4p, 2p is passive gain, helps aoe some, neat I guess?
No real build changes, kb still behind sadge

[dark token]

if ur below ww as a melee

ur dog tier

[spice spire]

Ik he had limited time

[cobalt hemlock]

swamp ass

[balmy condor]

You get haters when you made it, you get more when you thrive

[royal lantern]

i had it 3times that somone knew me in other discord channels/ingame

[uncut echo]

Guy is fine idk

[royal lantern]

2x positive, 1x "wait, arent you that asshole fox guy in RH"

[balmy condor]

I think guys are fine too

Love men

[royal lantern]

was a win eitherway

[balmy condor]

Men are great

I like boys

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

I’m a boy liker

[cobalt hemlock]

Gayge

[dark token]

i used to be a mod in a mmo/discord and really weird people dm me sometimes 5 years later like hi i remember you whats up

like veigarv2, the league coach

[deft flicker]

Bois

[balmy condor]

The indeterminate gendered 2D person is just like me fr

[spice spire]

Ong

[grim jay]

Dont really remember much negative about guy if at all. He kinda biased sometimes iirc, but we all are biased if its about our favs. Quake is the real villain

[spice spire]

True

[gusty mirage]

Thank god someone speaks the truth

[royal lantern]

quake told me to not post porn in slec channels once

[uncut echo]

😔

[royal lantern]

smh my head

his evil never stops

[cobalt hemlock]

there isnt a single person completely unbiased lol

[balmy condor]

I like girls too

But I hate people

Does that make sense

[royal lantern]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[uncut echo]

Good thing I'm not people

[deft flicker]

Yea

[grim jay]

Never has anyone pointed his finger at me more than quake

[balmy condor]

I love men, I love women, but I hate everyone

[royal lantern]

thats called "bi/pan and probably a introvert that wants to be alone"

[grim jay]

Cant be sane if you dont hate people nowadays

[balmy condor]

“Wants to be alone”
300k messages in a world of Warcraft discord

[deft flicker]

Oh no, I imagined a frying pan coloured as a bumblebee

[spice spire]

I don’t hate people

[normal olive]

i love whispyr

[balmy condor]

I’m a walking contradiction

[dark token]

to be fair a lot of people who dont socialize too much irl socialize online

maybe im projecting me here but i think thats common

[cobalt hemlock]

thats true

[dark token]

everyone needs some human interaction

[deft flicker]

I do that a lot

[gusty mirage]

I don’t, fuck that guy

[cobalt hemlock]

gayge?

[balmy condor]

Yah true and real

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Well we already pointed out that you are the villain. Even if villains sometimes are in the right, they never are sane

[gusty mirage]

Nah dif kind of fuck, the fuck you’re talking about is quake’s dad for me

[grim jay]

[dark token]

like i know 0 people in my city except coworkers and roommates so frankly thats why i play games so much, to hang with the bros

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

🤨

[gusty mirage]

Shut your mouth hooker

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1094647541657763870.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[gusty mirage]

You will speak when spoken to

[normal olive]

[shrewd night]

Its ok, yall be posting softcore fapbait in OT anyways when I aint looking

[cobalt hemlock]

how much does he charge?

[balmy condor]

Silence

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1101131877290606712/E9BA9118-4AB4-483C-83A0-1E45FFD314C0.gif

[deft flicker]

That’s not Silence

[gusty mirage]

His dad? Free af just gotta play your cards right

[cobalt hemlock]

nah quakei since he is a hooker

[shrewd night]

Aint restomain

[balmy condor]

R(rat) [ratstoration] druid

[gusty mirage]

Meownar is the future

[uncut echo]

Man y'all wilding

[gusty mirage]

[shrewd night]

[ember mural]

[cobalt hemlock]

we going the feral discord route?

[gusty mirage]

Oh you can fuck me for free

The US govt does it every year and I pay THEM money

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-gif-22588065

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-mercury-5feet-explain-better-call-saul-gif-26064518

[gusty mirage]

Do it pussy, you won’t

[shrewd night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1103317620096241826/3668AF59-54C3-4219-B93C-084698EED647.gif

[uncut echo]

Yo have you seen the new season of Better Call Saul?

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-at-the-when-he-gif-25019676

[uncut echo]

Oh my fucking god

[spice spire]

I did not

[cobalt hemlock]

in here at least your employer does the figuring out how much you owe

[gusty mirage]

True

[uncut echo]

It's actually fucking insane

[gusty mirage]

I work for myself

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[ember mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/381520882608373761/1040639800270651472/SPOILER_caption-1.gif

[gusty mirage]

I’m meowing at your wedding I hope you’re ready

[uncut echo]

Hot

[royal lantern]

hey

i never did that

[cobalt hemlock]

content creator or your bussiness

[shrewd night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1103051273785327646/F4736A69-B95B-4D17-876B-D8EC94BBDF9B.gif

[spice spire]

This meme never gonna die

[royal lantern]

if people want spicy uwu stuff, just need to ask

[gusty mirage]

Lawyer

[balmy condor]

He told me I wasn’t invited

[gusty mirage]

Wtf

[ember mural]

Oxi and I at quakes wedding

"Does anyone here have anything to say that these 2 shall not wed?"

[spice spire]

I legit can invite my groomsman

And family

[gusty mirage]

Wow

[spice spire]

That’s the limit I was given 💀

[gusty mirage]

Okay

[shrewd night]

Sink gang in the back all meowing at the same time

[spice spire]

If that changes

[marble hemlock]

You're getting more breedable by the minute when you say things like this

[spice spire]

There’s a lot of invites

[uncut echo]

Me when the

[balmy condor]

Not even married yet and already getting pegged

[marble hemlock]

Can I be one of your +4s?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

?

[cobalt hemlock]

most bussiness fail in 1-2 years so you must be doing well. now you really the saul from the gif

[uncut echo]

Prostate moment

[gusty mirage]

Wdym the limit you were given

[marble hemlock]

Quake just confirmed that none of us are his groomsmen, even though he groomed all of us

[uncut echo]

Lmk I already have a dress

[spice spire]

??

[marble hemlock]

Did i stutter?

[gusty mirage]

Alright noted when I get married don’t invite the hillbilly from Tennessee, got it

[cobalt hemlock]

HUH

[uncut echo]

SELI CHILL

HAHAHAHAHA

[spice spire]

Brother if it were up to me, I’d be married in a courthouse - wedding is what she wants. So what she wants goes

[gusty mirage]

And you’re allowed to invite 10 people?

[marble hemlock]

I fell in love with quake when he kept posting George pics

Idk about you people

[spice spire]

My family is like 50+ people

Because

Uh

[uncut echo]

Seli wanna see my dog

[spice spire]

They’re passive aggressive

[gusty mirage]

Nah your dad is mine now

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-matthew-perry-chandler-bing-whoopah-whip-gif-5391541

[gusty mirage]

Unlucky

[ember mural]

He brings you in with George pics to trap you with uwu-pasta

[deft flicker]

It’s fine we all can shroud in

[marble hemlock]

No

[uncut echo]

Ok

[royal lantern]

agree, but we need more george pics asap

[spice spire]

I did that for two weeks in 2022

[marble hemlock]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Yeah and?

[marble hemlock]

And I'm still traumatized

[gusty mirage]

Two weeks?

[balmy condor]

Love that for you

[marble hemlock]

Looks like a solid 10/10 dog

[gusty mirage]

I vaguely remember one for Easter, one for Halloween, one for thanksgiving, one for Black Friday, and one for Christmas

In what world is that “two weeks”

[uncut echo]

You said you wouldn't look you whore

[spice spire]

I didn’t say consecutive weeks buddy

Which reminds me

[marble hemlock]

A man can look without cheating

[uncut echo]

Real

[ember mural]

True

[gusty mirage]

Still more than two weeks idiot

[spice spire]

Forgot to post the Easter one this year

[balmy condor]

Great stock image

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Kdog

[gusty mirage]

Who let you work for a hospital

[marble hemlock]

In the gaslit world

[uncut echo]

Thanks king

[gusty mirage]

True

[spice spire]

Ur mom

Is a nice lady

[gusty mirage]

No wonder they let him unplug grandmothers in the hospital

[marble hemlock]

Oxi lawyering his way into quakes wedding party rn

[gusty mirage]

I’m not gonna go even if invited now lol

[cobalt hemlock]

HUH

[uncut echo]

Oxi wanna be my divorce attorney

[gusty mirage]

No need to lawyer my way into anything

[spice spire]

That’s toxic af man

I’m just whipped

[marble hemlock]

You'd lawyer your way into quake if you could

[gusty mirage]

I’ve hit my quota of weddings for 2023 sorry champ

[spice spire]

Good thing it’s not in 2023 idiot

[gusty mirage]

Got one this month, one in June in Chicago, and one in August

[marble hemlock]

I'd come just to spend time with George

[cobalt hemlock]

how many is that?

[spice spire]

George gonna be the best man

Ong

[gusty mirage]

Sorry I’ll be busy

Whatever year it is

[balmy condor]

Is there a law against accidentally knowing where and when a wedding is and walking into it, while wearing a normal attire of a 3 piece suit and dress shoes that happen to be a complimentary color of the weddings decorations?

[spice spire]

Yeah so will I (plowing your dad) but I’ll be there anyway

[gusty mirage]

This year, next year, and the next two decades

[marble hemlock]

Makes sense, clearly he's the best boy already

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

What if we crash the wedding and I'll catch the bouquet for you?