assassination

[weak plover]

Imagine our tier buffs Crimson Tempest but taking Crimson Tempest is a dps loss

[thorn fjord]

Don’t make me CT plz

[dawn kelp]

id rather press Ct then press exsang

[flint tusk]

We're going to need to do Garrote/rupture/CT Deathmark Exsang

[weak plover]

I wish exsang was just a passive that modified DM

[brazen zodiac]

[weak plover]

yo we exsanging DM now?

[subtle tundra]

yes dude

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

someone make one with wow

[blissful oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1057398680380002384/1066909972534939688/LOG_IN.gif

[subtle tundra]

awesome

youre qui ck

[weak plover]

That man is in the future

[thorn fjord]

There’s one already breh

[dawn kelp]

shadowlands on the launcher

[gusty mirage]

bis expansion

for mental illness

[brazen zodiac]

[dawn kelp]

[strange python]

[slow tulip]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dawn kelp]

anyone got a link to updated sim with tier

[wide flame]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

ya I'll DM it to you

[cobalt hemlock]

whispyr having to do best in slot list for new patch. poor man

[gray crest]

Man already doesn't sleep, pretty sure he'll just die

[royal lantern]

is the patch out for NA btw?

or still maintenance

[thorn fjord]

Maintenance for another 3 hours

if we dont get an extension

[steel spire]

its up

[storm belfry]

I’m just staring at server list

[gusty mirage]

sorry our beta test will begin shortly

pls be patient

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/judge-judy-time-time-is-wasting-clock-watch-gif-10363038

patch needs to work tomorrow

[thorn fjord]

Why dont they let you filter item types in item resto 😦

Trying to find a fucking neck lolol

[brazen zodiac]

for real!!!!!!!

[brazen zodiac]

me too

[cobalt hemlock]

thanks for doing all the testing for us NA

[gusty mirage]

[drifting light]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cold spoke]

tell your raid leader you need a neck prio becuase lariat sucks now easy gear

[thorn fjord]

I restored the cos neck lol

I had a mythic terros neck but used that for mount

[cold spoke]

based

grab a rep neck from sebellian

[uncut dragon]

fuck exanguinate

[slim pebble]

I have no items I can restore? Does faction changing cause this?

[winged veldt]

I know server transferring does

[noble leaf]

So which boots are we looking at toxic thorn or slimy expulsion and why one over the other, as the tooltips for the procs look pretty similar?

[thorn fjord]

Slimy atm

[noble leaf]

Ty @thorn fjord

[thorn fjord]

Can check pins for more info @noble leaf

[keen reef]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winter gale]

Guys

I have 1 spark left

Should I go for shoulders or feet?

[thorn fjord]

Must be nice

[winter gale]

I guess it’s cheaper to craft today than it will be tomorrow

EU *

Boots so I don’t loose tierset I guess?

And I replace Lariat with it, keeping Cowl+Eranog?

[thorn fjord]

Thats what i was thinking

Boots cause of tier

[winter gale]

Dunno which one is more significant in terms of dps incr but I guess tier means more for the start of patchb

[shrewd night]

@gusty mirage

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[gusty mirage]

hi

it's bfa all over again

[shrewd night]

Druid discord do have some bangers gifs

[thorn fjord]

They were talking hentai in there earlier

-_-

[haughty flicker]

Bangers in every sense of the word

[storm belfry]

Good expac

[thorn fjord]

No it wasnt

BFA was doodoo

[shrewd night]

Take that back

Underrot was a delight

[gusty mirage]

shadowlands

[storm belfry]

Outside of azerite armor. I liked bfa

Corruption sucked also but

[shrewd night]

Uldir BANGER

[thorn fjord]

Uldyr BoD and EP were not

[shrewd night]

Zandalari raid

BANGER

[gusty mirage]

EP was awesome

BoD was awesome

[uncut dragon]

Cata with Wrathion's daggers....

[shrewd night]

EP

[storm belfry]

BoD was nice

[gusty mirage]

are you smoking crack

[shrewd night]

BANGER

[storm belfry]

EP was nice

[ornate aspen]

BFA itemization was pretty bad

[thorn fjord]

I didnt like EP

[gusty mirage]

yeah the itemization was trash tier

[shrewd night]

Uunat

[gusty mirage]

and we don't talk about 8.0

[shrewd night]

PHAT BANGER

[storm belfry]

Overall I think bfa was actually good

[gusty mirage]

we pretend it didn't exist

[storm belfry]

The zones were so nice too

[gusty mirage]

stop it

STOP

[uncut dragon]

Fangs of the father

[thorn fjord]

The zones were nice i'll give it that

[gusty mirage]

bfa >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shadowlands

[spice spire]

Mfs gonna say nyalotha was banger

[shrewd night]

Why you hating

[gusty mirage]

nyalotha was a banger

[storm belfry]

I liked half the bosses in there

[thorn fjord]

I didnt play Nyalotha so i dont have an opinion

[shrewd night]

Nyalotha was only good because of tendie fisties

[spice spire]

L

[storm belfry]

But like overall man. Bfa was good idk

[thorn fjord]

i didnt enjoy bfa personally

[gusty mirage]

nyalotha was extra good because it was the end of bfa

[thorn fjord]

But i also had a ton of shit going on irl

[gusty mirage]

[ornate aspen]

Am I making it up or was azerite gear unable to be respec'd when it launched

[thorn fjord]

Mom died at the start of bfa lol

[limber lion]

I found much more replayability from bfa than in shadowlands and even less in dragonflight

I get that mindless grinds are bad and whatever

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

Ur smoking crack

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[storm belfry]

Well yeah. You had to level up that neck

[dark token]

Most anti melee expac ever

[gusty mirage]

but then we got shadowlands

unlucky

[spice spire]

Tbf my last full xpac before sl was BC :^)

[gusty mirage]

shadowlands absolute

DOGSHIT

[dark token]

Starting with uldir

[limber lion]

But I enjoyed doing my dailies and weeklies

[dark token]

Nathria raid was good but everything else sucked

[storm belfry]

Outside of sod I enjoyed Slands a bit. But yeah not near as bfa

[thorn fjord]

I'm the only one who really enjoyed Sanctum i guess

[gusty mirage]

cool thing about the weeklies everyone hated in 8.3

is after a certain point

[storm belfry]

You are a dick person

[shrewd night]

Nothing can be melee unfriendly, just be more reliable/better than your ranged players

[storm belfry]

To like sod

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

you didn't even have to do them anymore

[winter gale]

Shadowlands is by far the worst expansion

[gusty mirage]

shadowlands had castle nathria

and uh

yeah

that's it

everything else was trash

[spice spire]

Mfs really forget wod existed

[winter gale]

Not even debatable

[limber lion]

I enjoyed visions up to a certain point, but when I had rrached that point they weren't necessary anymore

[shrewd night]

Nathria can suck my tight ass

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

people pretend wod was bad

it wasn't

[ornate aspen]

I unsubbed when I found out 80% of endgame was hanging in the maw/torghast

[gusty mirage]

you just didn't have shit to do

the content that was in wod was good

the problem is there wasn't very much of it

[winter gale]

Not a single % of wow feeling throughout entire expansion

[storm belfry]

I never did any maw content idk

[limber lion]

Same with DF.

[storm belfry]

Did bare minimum

[shrewd night]

People really out here being all HAHAHA SLG SO FUN, HAHA WOOO FOND MEMORIES

[winter gale]

It helped DF stand better amongst community

[limber lion]

As someone who doesn't care about m+ at all, there's legit nothing to do outside of prog

[storm belfry]

Sounds just like classic WoW

[spice spire]

Denny pull check

[shrewd night]

Less times than I fucked ur mom

[gusty mirage]

SLG was fine when you bugged it tho

[spice spire]

Bro?

[gusty mirage]

you just had to perform an encounter breaking bug

[shrewd night]

Stings, doesnt it when knowing the pullcount

[gusty mirage]

to make the fight good

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

10/10 design

[storm belfry]

I feel like a lot of ppl wanted it to be the way it is now. But then they got it and don’t want it. Idk

[ornate aspen]

What was the best raid tier and why was it Nighthold?

[storm belfry]

There are ppl who do. Then ppl like THD who want to farm AP 48 hrs in a day

[shrewd night]

???

Ulduar?

Hello?

[winter gale]

Zones not being connected killed the expansion on day1

[gusty mirage]

weird way to pronounce ulduar

[gusty mirage]

but I'll forgive you

[winter gale]

BFA was not that bad tbh

[spice spire]

It was a rough gl of it

[gusty mirage]

yeah tbh BFA got a lot of dumb shit implemented (thanks jeff hamilton)

[storm belfry]

Ulduar? Isn’t that the toy tank RP at the beginning of raid

[gusty mirage]

but it was fun

[ornate aspen]

No shot, Ulduar was good but it didnt have star auger

[gusty mirage]

I had a blast

[shrewd night]

It had its upsides. I could raid drunk.

[gusty mirage]

yes

[spice spire]

Jigglypuff

[storm belfry]

Outside of the first part that raid is good

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

The beginning sucks ass

[gusty mirage]

yeah flame leviathan was ehhhh

but the rest of the raid was such a banger man

[shrewd night]

I see you liked star augur, but did you ever do mimiron hm

[gusty mirage]

then they cut it short for TOGC

lmao

[winter gale]

Whats the best raid if not Ulduar or SoO?

[ornate aspen]

Not on HC

[storm belfry]

I think my fav raid would have to be ToS

But I’m probs an oddball

[shrewd night]

Oh

[gusty mirage]

tomb of soakgaras?

[shrewd night]

We're trolling

I see

[storm belfry]

Idk I just loved the sets

[spice spire]

ToT

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean the sets were insanely cool

[spice spire]

[ornate aspen]

ooh yeah ToT was dope

[thorn fjord]

Fuck the KJ fight

[spice spire]

Secret boss

[storm belfry]

I liked some of the fights

[winter gale]

Imo Ulduar, ToT and SOO

[spice spire]

Very epic

[storm belfry]

KJ was a bitch tho

[winter gale]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord never did it

can't relate

[shrewd night]

Nevermind, for some reason I was all "why the fuck does he like trial of the crusader"

[winter gale]

Yes!

[thorn fjord]

So fucking gross

[ornate aspen]

The ToT trinkets were in-fucking-sane

[gusty mirage]

I came back to this shit game during antorus

[storm belfry]

Bro NO lmao

[gusty mirage]

I was clean

FOR SO LONG

[storm belfry]

Tomb of sarg

Mf thought trial of crusader

LOL

[spice spire]

Yes man

[uncut dragon]

So, what was the best raid mount from all the tiers?

[shrewd night]

Throne of thunder was omegagood too

[storm belfry]

I’m dying

[thorn fjord]

Antorus was a banger

[ornate aspen]

Antorus was alright, I like it

[gusty mirage]

bro

[winter gale]

Antorus was great

[lucid birch]

Moose

[gusty mirage]

I bought cata

leveled to 85

and logged off

[winter gale]

Visually stunning

[spice spire]

I’m a throne of thunder simp

[gusty mirage]

until antorus

[storm belfry]

I like antorus but not the fight where you got in the turrets

[thorn fjord]

You and everybody else lmao

[storm belfry]

Or eronar

Those fights sucked

[spice spire]

Even tho I quit after heroic Lei-shen

[ornate aspen]

You missed all best parts of Legion damn

[gusty mirage]

I sure did

and I'm sad about it to this day

[thorn fjord]

Eonar was the only shit fight

[gusty mirage]

then I got hype for bfa

and then blizzard killed sub rogue for me

[ornate aspen]

Nothing beats that feeling of getting your first Legiondary
then realize its prydaz

[thorn fjord]

Night hold was perfection

[winter gale]

Personally I also loved the start of Legion

[lucid birch]

Aggramar was fun

[winter gale]

With M+ and EN

[thorn fjord]

EN was ok

[gusty mirage]

and then people started hyping up SL

[ornate aspen]

EN was a big meme

[gusty mirage]

and I was like "bro this actually sounds terrible"

and I got yelled at for being a doomer

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW

[haughty flicker]

Nobody

[gusty mirage]

true we're all crying

[haughty flicker]

Everyone lost

[winter gale]

You were right

[shrewd night]

1. Ulduar
2. Throne of Thunder
3. Blackrock Foundry

[gusty mirage]

I'm still waiting for my crimson vial buffs I was promised at Blizzconline

[ornate aspen]

I read somewhere SL got a complete story rewrite months before launch

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-23395435

[storm belfry]

I’m p sure they cut a lot out

[winter gale]

In my circle of friends I lost any credibility to defend wow after SL

[storm belfry]

A raid. A whole patch. And story parts

[gusty mirage]

yeah like rogue development in alpha & beta

[storm belfry]

Had a lot of internal shit

I am still a firm believer that anduin was supposed to be the last boss in sofo

[gusty mirage]

moved sephuz to the wow team from overwatch to try to oh shit fix rogue

in like

3 weeks

[winter gale]

BRF was nice

Entire WoD was nice for me

[gusty mirage]

I wonder what sephuz is up to these days

sephuz forever the homie

[winter gale]

Obviously, lack of content

[brazen zodiac]

oxi c:

[winter gale]

If they hade one more raid and/or m+ there

Story would be different now

[ornate aspen]

1. Nighthold
2. BRF
3. Ulduar/ToT

[gusty mirage]

oh sephuz is at bungie now

[thorn fjord]

Never looked back

[storm belfry]

Tomb of Sargeras
Nighthold
Siege of Org

Think those are mine

[gusty mirage]

this might sound dumb

but I loved ICC

[ornate aspen]

ICC was fun

[thorn fjord]

I didn’t play wrath

[gusty mirage]

ICC to me was like the end point of wow

because I was super hype for wow following wc3

[winter gale]

SoO
Ulduar
ToT

[gusty mirage]

then I got to kill arthas

and I was like I fucking did it boys

[vital haven]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[thorn fjord]

How did you feel killing him in SL tho

[gusty mirage]

he was in SL?

[thorn fjord]

[winter gale]

He was

[gusty mirage]

didn't notice

[winter gale]

He fell down in cinematic

[ornate aspen]

I have the most vivid memories of ICC. My PC caught fire during LK prog

that was wild

[gusty mirage]

just like I didn't notice pelagos was apparently a woman in his life

[thorn fjord]

My sub padding during int def noticed

[winter gale]

That’s for forever m8

[vital haven]

im not sure thats because of ICC lmao

[gusty mirage]

"padding"

you mean doing 100k less than warlocks and DKs?

always show me

[winter gale]

Hahahaha

[ornate aspen]

No but everytime I go in to mount farm I remember the color of the flames

[winter gale]

I have big hopes for DF pve

1st raid was ok

[gusty mirage]

2nd raid seems fine too

[ornate aspen]

S1 M+ was great IMO

[thorn fjord]

This was our Anduin prog kill @gusty mirage lol

[gusty mirage]

?????????

was your boomkin AFK?

[thorn fjord]

Prob

[winter gale]

2nd one is also looking good and its sub 10 bosses which gives me hope to kill and rekill few times as 2 days p/w CE raider

[gusty mirage]

bro I don't wanna talk about anduin

I wiped for 3 hours on anduin

on my birthday

[thorn fjord]

Lolol

[winter gale]

Happy birthday 🎊🎁🎂🎈

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

best birthday present

was a 3% wipe

because a warlock decided to hit an add with a star

and wipe us

[junior bough]

the conquest points are reset, right? Is it advisable to buy boxes to sell and some get gold?

[gusty mirage]

and then the one

where a warrior

the 3% wipe specifically

a warrior

legit leapt into melee

lmao

and exploded the raid

I was so upset

[winter gale]

😂😂

[gusty mirage]

anduin prog actually broke me

[winter gale]

Into new victories tommorow, keep the spirit

[winter gale]

Or even today if you are from U, S and A

[gusty mirage]

before the raid

"Do you need me to explain anything before you leap into the raid and wipe us?"

"No Jet I got it"

sure enough

first pull

leaps into the raid and wipes us

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[gusty mirage]

@nocturne lagoon

[spice spire]

Can’t believe you’d do that to the French Canadian top G

[thorn fjord]

Servers are up apparently

[gusty mirage]

it wasn't even justin

[spice spire]

Oh

[gusty mirage]

it was our other french canadian warrior

[storm belfry]

Servers up fr fr

On god

[gusty mirage]

keeps swapping between this

really fast

[thorn fjord]

Backup your wtf folders people

[storm belfry]

Mine too

I did that last night

Oh it’s cause you load into a cinematic

They stepping their game up

[gray crest]

dont forget when he would kill the adds that spawn on anduin and bring everyone out early

[wind condor]

anyone know how to get rid of these fuckin things?

[proper tapir]

Play a mage? Assuming you mean the yellow bar and circles.

[vestal wren]

need to use a addon if there is nothing in edit mode

[wind condor]

well this is irritating lol, wasn't here pre 10.1, can't find a setting anywehre to get rid of the combo point area lol

[flat kiln]

Yeah they made the combo points massive and not line up with the health/energy bar lol

what

[neon kindle]

Sorry but the only fix for having a character is deleting it

[tired night]

Are we still using the nerfed box until 10.1 trinkets become available or is it replaced by a different S1 trinket today?

[woeful meteor]

should still be box, just sim your trinkets

[proper tapir]

You may be able to find a WA that will remove/replace it.

[young idol]

gang

[thorn fjord]

Can sparks still drop this week?

[nocturne lagoon]

@gusty mirage

new messages

[onyx coyote]

The combo point change is glaringly annoying

[nocturne lagoon]

that wasn't me

[vocal basalt]

THICC COMBO POINTS

[spice spire]

Yeah it was me

[oblique kiln]

Can we faction change within our guild now?

Or is that coming a little later

[fleet pagoda]

can't find it but it was discussed. i think an Alliance guild remains an Alliance guild though... not that it matters anymore ig

[spice spire]

Cross faction currently works

[fleet pagoda]

I don't think leadership can change factions though

[minor gate]

Do our talents change in ST at all?

[fleet pagoda]

maybe I made that up but I swear I heard it this past week

[harsh harbor]

They can. The guild switches though.

[gusty mirage]

Nope

Same ol same ol

[minor gate]

Not even CT?

Lmao

Hate it here

[fleet pagoda]

I must be getting my wow info from the onion

[young briar]

Bois, is it worth me saving my spark for next patch?

i got 1 more to use

what should i make

[gusty mirage]

why would you save it

[young briar]

just in case we dont know what we need to make yet

[thorn fjord]

Can sparks still drop from random content?

This week I mean

[spice surge]

Njet

[modest shuttle]

The new graphic for combo points

is slightly slower than my reflexes and it is driving me insane

[dawn kelp]

can u do all the campaign chapters or is it time gated

[storm onyx]

Thats bad yea

[modest shuttle]

The graphic takes a GCD to complete

Like yeah the bubble is bolded before it is fulled in

but it is driving me up a wall

[storm onyx]

Thats less functionality for cosmetics

[royal lantern]

i mean

are you guys not using any form of WA/UI element to track cp...?

dont tell me you stare at the top left of your screen all the time lol

[storm onyx]

The fact that we go around it doesn’t mean it’s not a design flaw

And some use default ui, strange but )

[royal lantern]

yeha, but im confused why so many people say they cant play cus of it

[royal lantern]

mate, so do i

i still have a WA package that has a CP tracker in it

[storm onyx]

Issue is the visual que detached from our perceptual and muscle memory

Its normal that ppl get annoyed if they are eyeing it

[modest shuttle]

I use the default UI, yes.

[ocean mantle]

is sin still buns in M+ this season or were there good changes to AoE

[balmy condor]

0 changes to aoe

[brazen zodiac]

xc

[wind condor]

do we still roll DTB?

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

yes

[static glacier]

fuu's exsangless build drops cttc, these builds rear their head again

[gaunt moat]

8 hours maintenance for EU.
What are we suppused to do now? Sleep!?

[gusty mirage]

rear what head again

being less damage than playing exsang and cttc

and significantly more annoying because you have to manually refresh snd?

[static glacier]

you don't remember a while back some cttc builds were simming best for a while (with exsang)

[balmy condor]

that was because there was some spell data missing

and got fixed

beta sims

[fleet pagoda]

sooo... we get half a spark/week from the dedicated quest. But it seems that Scent bag in Niffen town can also award a spark? ... I have a fragment already and have the weekly quest that awards two fragments in my log

did I get lucky or are we all getting a fragment from that reputation quest?

nevermind, I didn't realize that splinter was consumed for the quest

[storm belfry]

I thought i udnerstood this new crafting stuff but i do not

[warm void]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[maiden sierra]

is lariat no longer upgradable or is it no longer our top embelishment?

[warm void]

it is upgradable

i think whispyrs wowhead guide says slimy boots now bis embelishment

[maiden sierra]

yeah i saw it and i was confused

[warm void]

some embelishments were buffed lariat was essentially nerfed

[maiden sierra]

i see, guess there will be a new yeezys for my rogue 🙂

[onyx coyote]

is there a way to hide blizz's combopoint layer i use nug combo bar and used to just zone blizz's out but now its so large and distracting

I do not use a ui overlay

also whispyr just want to say your guides are awesome they are quite helpful

lot of people just tell you to go another spec when you say your assassination

[uncut dragon]

Still a 2 embelish limit tho so you lose your neck and head from last tier, correct?

[brazen zodiac]

what dont u understand :o

[strange python]

XD we get nerfed from the bottom

[noble leaf]

Did our bis embellishments change now that slimy boots no longer interact with our 4-set? Or is it still bis just less damage now?

[balmy condor]

still bis

all the embellishments listed were made without tier set in mind

because I saw this coming

[noble leaf]

Ty @balmy condor you the bis

[balmy condor]

I got you homeskillet

[strange python]

Is it boots+shoulders? Or patch?

Or is the answer in pins somewhere and I'm dumb

It's in pins I'm dumb

[storm belfry]

i guess i just misunderstood the crests

[proud basin]

question, do i have to recraft my crafted items so they are shadowflame crafted?

[storm belfry]

but i figured it out. cant craft nothing of value til next week anyway

[tight sparrow]

Hey, just got back into wow. I Heard assasin was bad last raid, but it got buffs couple days ago. You guys think its going to be viable next raid?

[unborn pendant]

Where'd you hear it was bad last raid? It was one of the best boss damage specs altogether, although that's all it was really good for.

[storm belfry]

wasn't really bad just not the "best" rogue spec. its def viable before and after buffs

[maiden sierra]

with most people going more ranged for this tier and rogues having no raid buff, i would say sin is in a rough spot, unless it pops off on numbers

[night moat]

atrophic?

[maiden sierra]

its either tuned right to be st king, or benched for a raid buff melee because of low melee spots.

[balmy condor]

atrophic sucks

[maiden sierra]

its not important, people dont really count it as a raid buff

[night moat]

it sucks but secures a raidspot if you raid high enough

[balmy condor]

that's just not true

[tame tangle]

flawless said it is for bdgg yesterday

[balmy condor]

aight sure

for top 5 guiilds

lmao

[tame tangle]

still true even if doesn’t matter for any of us lol

[balmy condor]

I mean okay

[night moat]

its trash for farm but in progress its pretty good

[balmy condor]

that doesn't make it relevant

just because there's 25 rogues in the world that can use them

[tight sparrow]

Thank you guys, i heard it from people i used to play with. Think i go assa raid and outlaw for m+

[blazing jewel]

Atrophic does less mitigation than ag/vigil do healing so unless the 3% dr actively saves someone it’s pretty bad

[maiden sierra]

its a nieche debuff that "helps", but % of viability is way lower on prio list than every other raid buff.

[nova fractal]

if you really enjoy sin it is usable in m+ also its will generally be behind the other rogue specs but it is doable

[gaunt moat]

I'll pray for you

[onyx coyote]

are we not supposed to go atrophic anymore?

[balmy condor]

no, we go atrophic

[onyx coyote]

cool ty

[balmy condor]

it's just not something that makes us wanted

[gaunt moat]

well the other option is numbing, which i don't think even affects most abilities in raid

[onyx coyote]

no you can shiv now without it applied so seems to not matter

[maiden sierra]

sin was always taken only for its damage. that has not changed.
better pray we can do more damage than every other melee haha

[onyx coyote]

the lack of people who go exsang is making me question my decisions

[nova fractal]

from my understanding exsang is the best dps choice but doesnt feel great to play but i could be wrong

[balmy condor]

ye

[nova fractal]

the person i ripped that info from ^

[onyx coyote]

when you put us as many dots as we have to i figure whats one more

[wind condor]

you doing raz tn whispyr?

[onyx coyote]

thing to hit sorry discord wont let me edit

[balmy condor]

no

[wind condor]

boutta be r1 sin rogue for suuure lmao

[maiden sierra]

oh shit, its 2:35am... guess ill finish my rogue preperation spreadsheet tomorow.

[wind condor]

holdin it down

[spice spire]

Man’s kept it ten toes down

Respect

[storm belfry]

Atrophic blows

[strange python]

It wasn't too bad

[wind condor]

that shield buff took us by surprise

we were all so shocked why tf we got the 3rd inversion

[crystal crystal]

What I'm still unclear on is, if we go with Slimy Expulsion Boots and Spore Colony Shoulderguards, doesn't that use up our two embellishments? How are we able to add a Toxified Armor Patch on top of those? (Unless the patch somehow doesn't count against the limit... even though its description seems to imply it does... 😵‍💫 )

[balmy condor]

you don't add toxic patch if you run both

toxic patch is only used if you run 1

[spice spire]

Shoulders and patch close.

Yeah

What whispyr said

He the large brain gentleman

[pastel onyx]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

GM and happy patch day mister alim

[pastel onyx]

Gm u too

[viscid spear]

[pastel onyx]

I dropped the game tho

[spice spire]

Oh unlucky

He’s the smartest man alive

[pastel onyx]

[crystal crystal]

Ah, got it! Thanks for clarifying

[dark token]

Toxic patch doesn't scale with gear at all right? I can toxic patch a 421 crafted piece and then run 447 boots or shoulders next week and it's the same embellishment dmg yeah?

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's just whatever toxic item you have

x2 damage

[brazen zodiac]

cx

hi whisp c:

[balmy condor]

hi

[keen spruce]

I wasn't gonna play in 10.1 but now I am and I haven't read anything and now i feel more dum than normal

[hollow river]

i'm sure addon makers will come up with something eventually, the only way i can think of to hide it atm is using ElvUI's frames or something similar

[spice spire]

What trinket will you disregard this patch?

[keen spruce]

i don't even know what trinkets there are

i just want my harlans back

[hollow river]

forgive my ignorance if it's posted somewhere Mr. Quake, i can't seem to find it, is there any link to the s2 sims

[dawn kelp]

I guess as an outlaw m+ enjoyed I should craft a patch before I do shoulders for assa since both use the booties

[balmy condor]

my spreadsheet soon.tm

[thorn adder]

you hit 200

[balmy condor]

I did

[thorn adder]

gratsss

[balmy condor]

went to bed around 7

[thorn adder]

thats tuff

[balmy condor]

nah

tis fine

I do not sleep

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[rich igloo]

Is there any weak auras y'all would suggest?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

The general bit

Nothing in particular tho

[rich igloo]

Yeah I was looking at the list and was curious if there was suggested ones

[static shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spice spire]

It’s all preference, I go for afenar’s + I use cev’s plater

[rich igloo]

AH okay.

[spice spire]

[junior olive]

is there a FAQ post anywhere with all the new shit i should be preparing for? been working alot so i can take 2 weeks off May9th lol

like i see some classes arent using Lariat anymore....are we still using lariat?

[balmy condor]

pins

[junior olive]

ty

[frigid pilot]

so what the sin rogues rerolling to boys

[gusty mirage]

nothing

[rocky ruin]

I could tell ya my secret plan

but then it's not a secret anymore

[steel ridge]

Rolling rogue

[subtle tundra]

Fucking crying and seething

I have to farm annulet

[strange python]

Diablo

[silk bane]

questions my lil doomers, if we get an item on normal, can we upgrade it straight to 441? or only heroic can go to 441

[thorn adder]

@balmy condor so is it just call to suffering or beacon with bomb. suffering and beacon seem so close

and suffering seems like it could be weird sometimes

[balmy condor]

beacon, bomb, suffering

whatever combo you would like

if you get an irideous out of vault you can run that too

it's all gravy

[thorn adder]

cool

[slow tulip]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn adder]

bomb seems like it sims crazy high

[shrewd night]

Probably wild variance tho

[earnest remnant]

are you excluding flowstone sims since its not really realistic to hand them to rogue over ranged classes

[balmy condor]

correct

[slow tulip]

hmm sub and sin pretty much on par in ST

not bad

[static coral]

that sounds promising

[jade abyss]

Missing the old picture @balmy condor x)

[royal lantern]

we got sims......?

[jade abyss]

The new class trinket will be good? The Hunter one looks strong when your timing cds with it 🤔

[slow tulip]

yep

[brazen lantern]

If the new tierset amps trinkets, have you tried simming spiteful storm with it?

[odd dew]

If the embellishments we are meant to get are the boots and shoulders, do we run the fire weapon enchant to proc the Eranog ring? And on both daggers or just 1?

[strange python]

Not really

If you're looking at fuus sheet he's including echoing stone for sin, which oversims and isn't realistic

Also uses flowstone, which is either likely to be nerfed or you just won't ever get it

[split grail]

So I see there are no talent changes, but will the tier changes change our opener/rotation at all?

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

Shadowflame enchant or bomb trinket

[slow tulip]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Krwf2SYmeK6pZiWCXTDTL

i mean sub sin also uses the flowstone so

[strange python]

The sub sim I saw in his sheet was using bomb/beacon

[slow tulip]

mhm

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3QaDuZ4g9VBQKr7EL9fvMQ

Beacon/bomb.

[odd dew]

Oh true the bomb trinket, so if I get the bomb trinket does that mean I don't run the Shadowflame Enchant?

[strange python]

Not sure.

[glad vapor]

depends of when thoses sims is, FUU is changing how the apl works there were a bug with tea uses

[slow tulip]

yes, and with the flowstone its 300 dps less

so basically they are on par

[strange python]

Sin is about 3k behind

[split grail]

Wait, why would the bomb trinket mean you couldnt/wouldnt want shadowflame?

[slow tulip]

how come

[slow tulip]

flowstone is 3K dps diff? holy shit

[strange python]

Echoing thunder stone, too

[balmy condor]

Yes, and considering you would:

1. Need a mythic spiteful storm
2. Need the new 4 set
3. The spiteful storm has to first overcome the loss it holds over over trinkets (inherently 1% worse to begin with)
4. By the time you’re able to capitalize on it, you will have access to higher ilvl m+ and raid trinkets

It’s not good.

[strange python]

It's a giant gem that doesn't really work in reality.

[slow tulip]

how much diff is the echo tho

[strange python]

I also don't know if fuus sims include tier set amps for poison damage.

[slow tulip]

surely not more than 700-800?

[strange python]

Big. Echoing thunder gem is a giga sim bait.

[brazen lantern]

Ty

Maybe a mythic one would be good for a very execute heavy fight cause it would ramp up by then?

[strange python]

Fuus sheet is, by his own admission, not super reliable for sin atm.

Whispyr's 128k estimation seems more reliable to me. Either way, both specs look a bit weak

[slow tulip]

compared to other melees ?

[strange python]

A lot of melee looks undertuned, but even with that yeah. Rogue looks weak compared to warrior, dh, enhance, dk, surv, feral

Early sims should be taken with a giant grain of salt. But as of right now it looks like we're at the bottom of the tables

I would suspect (and hope) a big nerf is coming for warlocks, and buffs for rogue and BM

[slow tulip]

well rogue has always been good so

no drama imo

[strange python]

Well that's not true

[odd dew]

I would of hoped being bottom of overall for 5 months would of changed this patch 😦

[strange python]

Rogues been bad plenty of times

Rogue has arguably been the worst of the pure DPS specs over time

(if we're talking about raid)

[strange python]

It did, we brought sub and outlaw down with us

[slow tulip]

this is the doomer discord section for a reason

it will be fine bois dw

🫶🏻

[strange python]

I mean I just said I was optimistic and expecting for buffs

[slow tulip]

lets hope so 😛

[strange python]

Telling you the facts about our sims and our history isn't doomer...

[slow tulip]

sims doesnt tell the whole story tho

its not only the dps that matter in raids

when you take the utility in mind too

rogue is always good in raids

[strange python]

Sigh. Okay, bud. Whatever you say.

[slow tulip]

facts

like you said xD

i dont know how it was before mop

[strange python]

I mean the facts are literally that you're wrong. Rogue was middling in sepulcher, was terrible in Nathria, was middling in Nyalotha

[slow tulip]

but im playing like 4 th expantion

and ive never been bottom in raids

either top or mid

[strange python]

Your random anecdotes don't change statistical realities. Your guild mates being bad doesn't make class balance at large change

[royal lantern]

^

like, sorry but "im top dps in my raid" is not really a good point

it just means people in your group mostly Play very bad

[slow tulip]

so thats why on every world first from method or echo there is a rogue

cuz its bad

xD

[strange python]

Not to be a dick, but you came in here saying we look good (we don't), that we've always been good (we haven't) and that were doomers for calling you wrong

[slow tulip]

ofc we've always been good

[strange python]

Rogue is the only class to not have rwf representation in the last two expansions man

[royal lantern]

...what?

[strange python]

Like literally the only class

[royal lantern]

we had world firsts withouz rogue aswell lol

[strange python]

We were absent from two of the last four world first kills. No other class has been.

Are you just making things up and claiming them as facts?

[royal lantern]

remember castle nathria, aka "i honestly forgot that rogue was a thing" when max was asked why they didnt had a rogue

[slow tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAX7Du1YGG8&ab_channel=Echo

so you dont see 2 rogues here right

?

[strange python]

You said always been good and in every kill and you link one boss

What is going on right now. Are we being trolled?

[odd dew]

He said 2 of the last 4

[halcyon arch]

Stop trolling

[ionic fox]

actually links one boss lmfao

[halcyon arch]

Mage spy idk

[slow tulip]

ye, rogues are so MID, that echo had 2 of them

[strange python]

Rogue was in on raz and jailer. Was not for sylv or sire.

[slow tulip]

xD

[strange python]

Rogue was strong in vault no one said otherwise

[misty holly]

It's like y'all don't even remember the world first Ragnaros kill where people literally brought in alt rogues in all blue gear to get the kill because they were so op.

[strange python]

Wtf is going on

[misty holly]

Rogue is great

[strange python]

Rogue being good on vault means nothing about rogue in aberrus

Warlock was terrible in vault and is insane in aberrus

[slow tulip]

ppl have the mentality - if its top top 3 - its mid, if its not top 5 -its bottom here

[strange python]

Rogue is literally bottom 3

For aberrus

[slow tulip]

literally the bottom yes

🫣

[strange python]

Of the bottom 3 specs, two are the ones that you said are good

The bottom 3 specs are BM, Sin, Sub.

[slow tulip]

if this is the bottom - i hope we stay that way bois

xD

[strange python]

Holy

[royal lantern]

and you still brought 1-2 warlocks

[strange python]

You realize that patches occur between raids right?

Rogue being strong in vault does not mean it is strong in aberrus

[slow tulip]

we can only hope mate

im optimistic as you are

[strange python]

Out of curiosity, do you raid mythic? Or are you just yoloing heroic and unaware that we have sims?

[slow tulip]

maybe even more

yes i do have a cutting edge

[strange python]

Doubt

[slow tulip]

although late

[royal lantern]

rogue is not even strong in vault, it was good for 2-3 weeks until people figured out how you make sims works and the blizzard balancing Happend

[slow tulip]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/37811902

[strange python]

I mean sub is good in vault.

[royal lantern]

outside of RWF, rogue was mediocre at best for this tier

[slow tulip]

im not great, but i do play yye

[strange python]

Sub was pretty strong through horde hof tbh

But this guy doesn't seem to understand that we have sims

Thinks "rogue is strong in vault and patches don't happen so it's still strong in aberrus"

[slow tulip]

not what im thinking but nice try

xD

[strange python]

Your argument for why our bottom 3 tuning isn't bottom was a rasz kill video

[slow tulip]

no need to get angry if someone doesnt agree with you mate

[strange python]

Math isn't about agreeing

[jade abyss]

Math is a lie

[strange python]

Sigh. Nevermind. Welcome to the Ahri tier block list

[slow tulip]

yes, and personally i think even if the math (sims) are bad - we are still in a good place

sorry if noone agrees

[halcyon arch]

The thing is u saying ”im top 5 in my guild so rogue is good”

[slow tulip]

never said that either

[halcyon arch]

U said ”either top or mid”

[slow tulip]

ye, i believe this to be true

[halcyon arch]

That doesnt make rogue strong

[slow tulip]

its an opinion, mate

[split grail]

Is our opener or rotation changing?

[subtle tundra]

Someone trolling and it's not you?!?!

Or me?!??!

[slow tulip]

times change

xD

[strange python]

I don't troll, I get baited by trolls and get angry and get myself in trouble for it

Usually.

[halcyon arch]

Mage main here to stir things up

[slow tulip]

wont get you in trouble, brah, dw xD

[subtle tundra]

I want to doom m+ but it's a hopeless battlw

[strange python]

Whether or not you can doom in this channel depends on whether or not a certain user is online.

[slow tulip]

and since you are online ...

[subtle tundra]

I can always doom

🤓

[cobalt hemlock]

buffing carnage would be cool

[strange python]

You don't usually overlap on timezones with the person

[halcyon arch]

Buffs prob happening, but if not im gearing lock

[subtle tundra]

I'm omniscient

My alt is bm hunter which is uh worse than rogue

[strange python]

Secret OP tech is to gear a mage or spriest. Locks look like a prime nerf target.

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[halcyon arch]

True but even with nerf lock is god tier

[strange python]

Lock has crazy privilege

Health stones, soul stones, gateway

[halcyon arch]

PI

[balmy condor]

I'm always online

[strange python]

They could do 50% less damage than every other class and you'd still want at least one.

[halcyon arch]

”Roll warlock, get simped and win game”

[strange python]

You're not the anti doomer whisp

[cobalt hemlock]

when do you sleep?

[balmy condor]

I don't

[cobalt hemlock]

we need you healthy. so they cant claim insanity when we ask for buffs

[balmy condor]

the people I've muted on PTR patchnote days that continue crying in my DMs about freedom of speech would disagree

[raven merlin]

are we gonna craft the boots or shoulders or r the sims like the same dmg?

[strange python]

I feel like you mute the ones who just won't shut up

Which is different than general doom

[misty holly]

Both the crafted embellish boots look like they do exactly the same damage, just with a different negative effect?

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean stopping general doom

is an impossible task

[subtle tundra]

I don't even want to play wow nowadays

[vestal wren]

we need to make a !mutepeoplewhosendmessagesinthischannel for patches

[balmy condor]

I don't waste my time with Sisyphus projects

[strange python]

The doomerness of this channel depends on whether or not Oxi Is in a dooming mood or a modding mood.

[subtle tundra]

I don't want to go home now and do shit ass content

Just so I won't be given loot in raids

Fuck masterlooter

[misty holly]

The Niffen need your help Varas. You wouldn't abandon them.

[subtle tundra]

Uh are those a type of prostitute

[strange python]

Real talk I think sub will be very strong for the first two/three weeks of prog

[slow tulip]

the doomer vibes is always high here since ever xD but its also always fun

[strange python]

It's coming into Aberrus with a ton of holdover power

Like I sim 100k post patch

[grim jay]

Thats weird

[slow tulip]

big if true 😎

[subtle tundra]

I'll play assa unless sub dmg pattern is needed

[strange python]

But sub will fall off a cliff as everyone else gears up

[subtle tundra]

Or maybe survival hidden op

And I will survive

[strange python]

I would be very surprised if sin doesn't get buffs in the first month.

It looks extremely underwhelming.

[balmy condor]

what about a command that just bans anyone who sends a message during slowmode

[subtle tundra]

Well we would've been surprised if exsang didn't get reworked in 10.1

And we are surprised

[strange python]

Idk if sin will wind up "good", but leaving it as is would be...bizarre.

[subtle tundra]

Atleast me

[subtle tundra]

We will over perform in hc to get nerfed week 2

😤

[strange python]

Thankfully puzzle box nerf works in our favor

We got smacked down before the raid goes live

I'm not expecting it, but I would honestly not be surprised to see more buffs this week

Or warlock nerfs

[jade abyss]

We will be good next expac guys i can smell it

[granite widget]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[jade abyss]

With new class design

[strange python]

Bruh at this rate we'll be the first deleted class

Smallest playerbase after a tier where it was strong?

What's gonna happen when we stink

[subtle tundra]

I have dmg meters disabled on rogue

[strange python]

Which warlock spec is overturned?

[earnest remnant]

you are gonna be like sub in BFA

[strange python]

Yes.

Lol

[earnest remnant]

where 4 sub rogues killed mythic Aszhara

[subtle tundra]

Which one isnt

[strange python]

Real answer is aff looks reasonable

Destro and demo look disgusting

[slow tulip]

do we get the first "spark" today ? for the 447 crafted item ?

[subtle tundra]

Dunking on warlocks is fun

[misty holly]

I dunno about that. Blizzard is setting the game up for a support spec. Remember all that datamined Dracthyr stuff? After that gets implemented they are going to start looking at what other classes can get a support spec too and I bet rogue is on the list. So they need to decide which rogue spec gets replaced. Sandbagging sin for so long is their way to get everyone to stop playing it now so there is no objection to replacing it with bard in 11.0

[strange python]

I used to enjoy playing them but all the specs feel so boring now

[strange python]

Every time someone says "blizzard tunes quickly after vault!" I can't forget that they let sub sit as low as it did for three years

[strange python]

Didn't someone at blizz recently confirm there is no 3rd spec

[strange python]

Sub especially just feels awful. There's zero nuance to that spec atm

I'm talking about warlocks 😂

Blizzard told us anduin was never the final boss of sepulcher and shadowlands was always ever gonna be 3 patches.

[grim jay]

Wtf did I just read

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

Make sin like silco from arcane?

[shrewd night]

what in the fuck

[strange python]

Buff our allies with poison then they die

[silk bane]

'allies'

[grim jay]

Some people are just wildin

[silk bane]

silco had very few allies

[shrewd night]

Patch day is always crack cocaine 'copium' mode.

[strange python]

Sin is good. Trust.

[strange python]

Rogue support is the silliest concept ever. The best part of rogue class fantasy is to vanish and abandon your team when shit hits the fan

[grim jay]

That was kinda peak tho

[silk bane]

can u blame them when all 3 rogue specs are simming under ww now?'

[brazen zodiac]

this is how i feel

with a side of

[strange python]

Sub sims ahead! By like 250

[silk bane]

after the embel changes? cuz sub lost like 1.3% from that

[strange python]

Oh. Uhh. No

[grim jay]

I'm fine with WW simming good on ST

[strange python]

I'm not.

[grim jay]

If we all simmed good that is

[strange python]

Specs should have strengths and weaknesses.

I have a problem with marks/destro/fire/spriest doing insane multi target and ST

[royal lantern]

^

[silk bane]

i dont see demo in your list

[royal lantern]

specs/classes having niches is good

[strange python]

Demo not really a multi target spec tbh

It's been a single target spec for awhile

[grim jay]

They are straight up flattening profiles. Clear strengths and weaknesses are a thing of the past

[royal lantern]

but in wow, SOME specs have niches, while others are just good at everything

[silk bane]

it has insane st, good cleave and great aoe right now tho

[strange python]

Implosion bullshit aside

[subtle tundra]

Haha I love when a class does very well on st while also doing very well on aoe without sacrificing st hahahahhhahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahah

[silk bane]

do u like it when theyre also immortal and have 2 mandatory raid utilities?

[strange python]

3

[silk bane]

summons not mandatory but yeah

[strange python]

Have you seen how long the run backs are in aberrus?

Soulstone is mandatory

[limber lion]

Healthstone, Gateway and soulstone

[silk bane]

oh yeah LOL

[strange python]

But outlaw is good in keys. So we have to suffer. I guess.

[grim jay]

Enough time to wipe the tears away between pulls

[strange python]

You're gonna be in for pulls?

[grim jay]

Actually yes

[silk bane]

jokes on you, ive gaslight my entire guild into thinking atrophis does stuff

[shrewd night]

📣 ROGUE BAD, ECHOCHAMBER GOOD, MORE MADGE, LESS SENSE

[subtle tundra]

Not even anymore, rogue not even meta in s1 I think

[royal lantern]

i love people telling you how firemage needs giant buffs cus it "only has aoe, its ST is bad"

and in the same sentence say that assa doesnt need help, if you want aoe dmg Play outlaw

[royal lantern]

[strange python]

I'd rather be a farm player based on tuning ATM

[slow tulip]

KEK

[grim jay]

Echochamber ?

[slow tulip]

the doomer vibes are strong this morning

[shrewd night]

📣 I DISGUISE DOOMING BEHIND THE GUISE OF 'MEMES'

[subtle tundra]

Well I can't wait to get home and go to sleep instead of playing wow

[strange python]

Or sit on the couch watching survivor and doom in disc because your sleep schedule is a joke

[royal lantern]

what is this "sleep schedule" and where does it drop

[jade abyss]

Diablo 4 is comming soon so we can lay down our dagger and can start slaying demons

[strange python]

Zelda into Diablo into ffxvi

[slow tulip]

also remnant 2

[brazen lantern]

[slow tulip]

if you liked the first one

[jade abyss]

Into counter strike 2

[royal lantern]

you mean the game where the best play as a rogue, is to not use daggers and instead go ranged?

[shrewd night]

The only thing that can lure me out of my current gaming schedule is a new splinter cell

[grim jay]

I use daggers there aswell

[jade abyss]

Tbh was meele rogue in d4 more fun then assa in df

Never touched a bow

[royal lantern]

yeha, its just my poe sense tingeling

aka, endgame? lmao melee

or melee means "you make a shockwave that reaches 4screens in total"

[grim jay]

Just git gud and be a meleegod

Also ewww PoE

Melee rogue did look pretty fine in beta tho

[royal lantern]

both are good games in their own way

[jade abyss]

D4 meele is more like meele ? poe meele is a half range spec

[night delta]

embelishes no longer scale with class mechanics as per wowhead, the poison things being BiS didn't hinge on that, did it ?

[royal lantern]

nope

they just do good dmg

[night delta]

ok

[strange python]

Whispyr expected this and his sims didn't give them damage amps from tier

I'm not sure if the same is true for fuus

[balmy condor]

the tier was amping it

but my estimates, which I used to make the embellishment decisions, did not

sin lost about 1%

[blazing jewel]

yo whispyr how close are the bis trinkets on sin

[balmy condor]

equal

[blazing jewel]

I was looking at the ability log

and flowstone is not operating how it should for us to proc it

[balmy condor]

don't look at flowstone

[blazing jewel]

unless shoulders are able to proc but I think that was untested

[vestal wren]

seems like boots/shoulders are closer maybe

[balmy condor]

stop looking at flowstone

that shit doesn't matter

[blazing jewel]

I was checking the pinned sim

[vestal wren]

i would be surprised if they let flowstone exist

[blazing jewel]

sim in the fuu sheet correction

[strange python]

How far ahead is it if nothing changes?

[balmy condor]

1.6%

[jade abyss]

Flowstone?

[blazing jewel]

as long as it isnt miles ahead of everything else thats fine we wont need to get it

[vestal wren]

flowstone is quite good ye

[blazing jewel]

even if its unchanged