balmy condor
Tier has been implemented!
Some numbers:
2 piece and 4 piece look to be around 4% each, 8% total in single target, and the estimation seems to have been close, but slightly under.
I'm also looking into the followinglogic related to the tier set:
Those will be shared in #1065730164077645916
royal lantern
is the 4set still a global bonus....?
balmy condor
yes
royal lantern
man, would help to get confirmation if it is intentional or not
spice spire
Sepsis double shiv 
ebon notch
exsang the stepsis
spice spire
Bro sass me again and I’ll Exsang u papi
ebon notch
take me to the thunderdome
spice spire
I’ll take you to some dome alright
silk bane
Dude my math was dead right with 4pc being 4% holy shit I'm a tier whisperer
lucid birch
steel ridge
make sepsis great again
oak sky
make my cock great again
steel ridge
Dude my math was dead right with 4pc being 4% holy shit I'm a tier whisperer
did you actually do math or just repeat what realz shared about tier sets target being 4/8 usually 😄
silk bane
i litearlly did the math -> 40% dps gain on 55% of our damage, for about 30/100 seconds (30 seconds out of 100 seconds 0 im not including dm damage) which should do about 65% of our damage, 35% assuming is comign during DM damage. so its 22% gain on 65% of our damage with 0.3 uptime, thats 22% gain on roughly 19% of our damage is roughly 4.1% idk
minor gate
How’s this gonna affect the sin population
minor gate
😐
silk bane
im gonna predict the future here: first 2 weeks of raid everyones gonna play sub, week 3 people are gonna switch sin, week 4-5 others are gonna switch sin too
minor gate
brazen zodiac
minor gate
oak sky
im gonna predict the future: everything is gonna be dictated by the buffs blizzard do in the 2nd week of the raid
brazen zodiac
that is a good prediction
silk bane
nope, sub has probably the most upfront damage out of any specs imo going into 10.1 theyre gonna crank first 2 weeks. then by week 3 theyre gonna take a nose dive to the bottom.
and thats when sin comes in
oak sky
yeah
minor gate
By how vague that is I’m gonna assume both
oak sky
sepsis did not get buffed
arctic current
Stepsis feeling really good right now
solid chasm
lmao
peak bobcat
nope, sub has probably the most upfront damage out of any specs imo going into 1...
I mean scuffed sims would say otherwise
silk bane
how
peak bobcat
If sin doesn’t do competitive single target damage then it is bad
minor gate
How are they scuffed if they’re right?
tacit otter
If sin doesn’t do competitive single target damage then it is bad
It doesn't look too good rn
peak bobcat
Sub is looking like it does more damage with bis gear so explain to me how it’s going to fall off and sin will take over
peak bobcat
noob question, is assassin or sub better for the new raid?
Probably not assassin
burnt prism
damn
peak bobcat
A couple more 5% aura buffs and we will be there
crimson sleet
@balmy condor are the 4 / 8% from the set the difference between T29 and T30 ? or is the sim using a Baseline Profile without T29 ?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> are the 4 / 8% from the set the difference between T29 an...
raw gain from set
our old set is also 4/8%
subtle tundra
Wahh I was gonna respond
balmy condor
the gain from tier to tier is simply item level
subtle tundra
Weird pic whispar
crimson sleet
yeh
thats sad
have seen some sims from WLs ( 
WL sims) that they gain like 10% from t29 into t30 ( same ilvl gear )
minor gate
Ik that dungeon slice is happening atm but does our talents change for ST?
Dungeon slice sims
Idk why I’m acting like I need this info now I’m in the Europe server and I’ve got 2 weeks of uni work
I’ll literally get on and probably farm neltherion for the mace because outlaw will probably be the only competent spec after 2 weeks of “testing”
drifting cloud
if youve already decided you should probably farm underrot then for the actual good weapon
or well I guess both are good
minor gate
They’re both unique aren’t they?
minor gate
Oh really?
minor gate
Ik naltherion is unique
minor gate
bis outlaw is double tusks
Ah
Underrot has the crit/dagger as well doesn’t it?
I’ve also been put in the mindset of outlaw having an off-hand dagger
deft flicker
Forgestorm is unique
minor gate
Ye
deft flicker
Underrot weapons are not
minor gate
for sub/sin
Already gottem crafted cause halls wouldn’t give me jack
deft flicker
And they pull ahead in dslice due to having main stat (which Forgestorm lacks (but the green text is good enough to compensate for that in st))
minor gate
Is there anything to keep a look out for as sin?
minor gate
Isn’t that only good for sin because we attack like we’re coved in clay
junior aurora
it's good for any class with powerful cds
junior aurora
it also only lasts 20 seconds
not like it doesn't go away until you use all 20 stacks, it will always only last 20 seconds
royal lantern
3min trinkets 
junior aurora
man i can't imagine using a 3min cd to turbo charge my cds
minor gate
It reduces the stat after every ability though
royal lantern
It reduces the stat after every ability though
doesnt matter
junior aurora
its so much stat
royal lantern
shitton of stats is shitton of stats
minor gate
Shittin of stats
royal lantern
and the start of CD Windows is where more dmg tends to happen anyway
shiv activd for assa and stuff
junior aurora
also fits the entire deathmark window
minor gate
Man after spending the latter half of season 1 on sub hero is gonna feel good again on sin
royal lantern
Just kill me off then
royal lantern
Very rogue like
shaw has the same mustache, and he is 1of the few story notable rogues
junior aurora
🥲
royal lantern
%changes is all that happens at best
bronze pike
i see my greenname friend isnt online
i guess ill sharemy new bis sin change tomorrow
balmy condor
i maybe missed what this is, got any hook so i can look it up?
any hook?
vapid pawn
webhook or smthing 😅
minor gate
I get that they want us to change to being poison centric as a change from bleeds but could they at least make it more
Exciting
royal lantern
wait, just saw the Pin
balmy condor
"exsang your dmg for aoe dmg in m+" has a Chance to be real?
check #1065730164077645916
minor gate
"exsang your dmg for aoe dmg in m+" has a Chance to be real?
Yeeeeaaaaaahhhh
royal lantern
ye, just saw it
minor gate
Wasting our main cooldown for dmg potential
royal lantern
but looks like a niche situation tbh?
vapid pawn
means it buffs trinkets and shit
this is why things like the bomb trinket seems good for us?
balmy condor
but looks like a niche situation tbh?
if every key under 22 is a niche situation I guess
minor gate
Hate this set
subtle tundra
It isn't niche
Even in high keys the pack lives short
Short
Fuck
Esp on tyra
balmy condor
this is why things like the bomb trinket seems good for us?
bomb trinket isn't nature damage
junior aurora
looks like just a way to turn deathmark into a pseudo aoe cd
royal lantern
if every key under 22 is a niche situation I guess
it is, cus m+ is shit
thorn adder
bomb trinket isn't nature damage
poison bomb is harmful tho
royal lantern
this is why things like the bomb trinket seems good for us?
bomb is good cus it does good dmg
junior aurora
bc in many aoe packs wtf is deathmark doing
junior aurora
killing one mob super fast and then thats it
minor gate
Cleave pack
vapid pawn
fogot about that, i should get a coffee rn
minor gate
fogot about that, i should get a coffee rn<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
I have coffee and instead of doing uni work I’m here
Discussing
junior aurora
yeah its neat tech but still cursed
balmy condor
Once again assa with the counter intuitive gameplay
also means that if there's no big run from pack to pack, you can deathmark the ends of pulls for the tier set
subtle tundra
plush delta
do shiv buffs in 10.1 make arterial any more worth taking with the shiv talents ?
subtle tundra
Sub it is
balmy condor
do shiv buffs in 10.1 make arterial any more worth taking with the shiv talents ...
+65 dps
thorn adder
do shiv buffs in 10.1 make arterial any more worth taking with the shiv talents ...
65 dps is huge m8
minor gate
Why the worst dps spec in m+ is wasting 2 resources for 40% dmg
royal lantern
also means that if there's no big run from pack to pack, you can deathmark the e...
and thats the moment when your bigbrain pug tank suddenly stop doing shity 5% "chainpulls" for no real reason
subtle tundra
do shiv buffs in 10.1 make arterial any more worth taking with the shiv talents ...
My brother that talent is not played cause it has no st. The change did nothing about that
Make m+ aoe only and it would be good
minor gate
Arterial is Literally blade dance
subtle tundra
That has been known since it's introduction
thorn adder
i never knew how big
minor gate
But you can soothe five targets at once
thorn adder
But you can soothe five targets at once<:monkascheme:585734083590750219>
dw they added evoker who can soothe 20 at once and not lose any dps
minor gate
dw they added evoker who can soothe 20 at once and not lose any dps
Every day we are given “things” to help with things that other specs do way better at
subtle tundra
Man I'm just surviving
junior aurora
outlaw is a warrior spec
royal lantern
play rogue dont play a spec
subtle tundra
Yes I will be agressive
royal lantern
in past expansions yeha
thorn adder
im so ass at sub compared to sub and sin
royal lantern
but FUCK DF outlaw
thorn adder
outlaw* fuck
royal lantern
and df sub makes me sad
junior aurora
i dont like ambushlaw either
minor gate
When rogue first got soothe I got yelled at for not using it on taragrue by the Druid tank I’m also in a team also consisting of a Druid healer and 6 hunters
But no
I
The sin rogue
That uses his soothe for dps
Has to use it
20 sec cooldown
minor gate
Idk if I hate the game, hate the position rogue is in or just hate my guild raid team
thorn adder
its just meta to be a doomer rogue. we are all playing the meta spec
junior aurora
abd
minor gate
I just live in torment
royal lantern
its just meta to be a doomer rogue. we are all playing the meta spec
ofc its meta
assa always plays doomblade
thorn adder
thats what im saying
minor gate
royal lantern
Idk if I hate the game, hate the position rogue is in or just hate my guild raid...
probably a mix of the last 2
if you "hate" wow, you would not play it lol
minor gate
I probably just hate our snarky tank
royal lantern
snarky players are the worst
bonus points if they explain you the class you are playing when they have no idea at all about it
minor gate
I get made fun of all of shadowlands by him because our one pro player goes rogue and obviously pumps out more dmg then I do
royal lantern
bruh
minor gate
Then this season get all winey because I’ve been calling him out getting one shot by almost everything
royal lantern
why no gquit lol
minor gate
He raid leads
subtle tundra
Ok and
minor gate
Lmao
subtle tundra
I have muted the raid leader before
junior aurora
as my groups leader i just kick anyone annoying
subtle tundra
I have been raiding while not being on discord as well
minor gate
I strive to be that good
subtle tundra
Not setting a good example but sometimes I don't feel like hearing people
minor gate
Tbh if I wasn’t hearing people mid raid I think my adhd would consume me
minor gate
Wtf
shrewd night
Not setting a good example but sometimes I don't feel like hearing people
Meow
deft flicker
Teehee :3
subtle tundra
Hot
brazen zodiac
O.O
minor gate
I'm your ADHD hehehe *bites you* :3
Had to lock my phone as to not laugh mid lecture
grim jay
just feely so silly
Why are you still awake
subtle tundra
I want it to be 30 degrees so I can go to the pool
grim jay
balmy condor
Why are you still awake
maplestory must be grinded
grim jay
Understandable
balmy condor
event ends in like
15 hours or something
and I need to hit 200
by my estimates I will be able to sleep at 4am
minor gate
honestly waiting sounds scary
minecraft cave sound
brazen zodiac
balmy condor
*minecraft cave sound*
bros just like me
I'm like an enderman, tall, scares all the bitches away, and I can't swim
minor gate
“Bro stop complaining about sin rogue, you’re scaring the hoes away”
shrewd night
balmy condor
“Bro stop complaining about sin rogue, you’re scaring the hoes away”
villiagerHUH.mp3
shrewd night
“Bro stop complaining about sin rogue, you’re scaring the hoes away”
Is it iron or diamond?
minor gate
balmy condor
Is it iron or diamond?
when you're around it's hard as a diamond
drifting cloud
less horny posting, more maplestory farming
burnt latch
Alright boys
Imma need some tuning rq
Anyone got any cool sandbagged techs nows about the time to whip them out maybe @ebon notch has some up his sleeve
blazing jewel
But they are secret
balmy condor
less horny posting, more maplestory farming
blazing jewel
Every Red Bull is another .1% dps so subscribe to his Patreon
minor gate
Bruh it’s 10 am
thorn adder
4 am here
balmy condor
Whispyr will whip something out
I gave you exsanguinating deathmark in dungeons
minor gate
Bruh
balmy condor
what do you want from me
minor gate
I gave you exsanguinating deathmark in dungeons
The worst timeline
minor gate
what do you want from me
The best timeline
thorn adder
double shiv making moves
minor gate
Pls
blazing jewel
Two hands two knives
minor gate
Two hands two knives
There’s not enough room in my bags
cedar silo
is sin rogue looking good compared to the other 2 specs for the new patch for raid?
minor gate
No
grim jay
We looking insane
minor gate
Because we think it’s good
minor gate
I bet your rooms walls are soft
grim jay
I wish
blazing jewel
We need a command that posts the dsclice sim every time someone asks how sin is looking
grim jay
Oh no
spice surge
Anyone got any cool sandbagged techs nows about the time to whip them out maybe ...
Maybe try the hunter discord? 
oak tangle
so what you're saying is with this tier sim release, we have 1 week to educate the entire spec on how to play to ensure we get nerfed in heroic
grim jay
Maybe try the hunter discord? <:kekw:610125925413289985>
Wdym? Hunter must be so bad according to their dooming
minor gate
Someone genuinely thought of sepsis and thought sin rogue would like it so much they made it our tier set
Let that sink in
oak tangle
probs cause they went to the trouble of putting it in multiple spec trees and they all ignored it
minor gate
I wonder why
minor gate
I want my reason playing rogue back
rocky ruin
I want my KB back <:feelscryman:585734081304592385>
Yeah, me too
minor gate
I keep talking about wow I’m my document and it makes me keep opening discord
velvet ridge
is there any precedent of changing a tier sets functionality a few weeks into the season, not in a .5 patch
slow tulip
!sheet
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brazen lantern
is there any precedent of changing a tier sets functionality a few weeks into th...
Functionally? No. Overbuff the fuck out of it? Happens
burnt latch
Has the bacon trinket been tested with our 4p?
cuz i just used it after deathmark and it critted for 1.4 mil which is waay higher than ive ever hit on any of the other specs
and Cosmic damage = nature damage
balmy condor
mr warcieft are you smoking the pipe
burnt latch
unfortunately not, what i did miss
burnt latch
how tf r they doing that im hitting like 1.2 mils
oak tangle
eat your greens dont smoke them
balmy condor
well I guess cosmic is a multischool with nature
burnt latch
and this website lied to me then
balmy condor
and this website lied to me then
yeh I'm not entirely sure if that's accurate to nature damage tags
in theory it should work
but 2:30 is a cringe cd
burnt latch
thats how it worked with WW tier previously atleast, similar scenario (shadowflame amp, cosmic has Shadow listed so it worked)
so in theory it should work yeah like u said
balmy condor
I'm guessing it works though since cosmic is also shadow
and sub is giga buffing shadow damage
burnt latch
yeah
spice surge
and this website lied to me then
Ye the website is lying, cosmic doesnt include nature
balmy condor
Ye the website is lying, cosmic doesnt include nature
oh real?
minor gate
and sub is giga buffing shadow damage
And that’s without tier
shrewd night
Who care about 2,5 minute cd if it shaves 2% off a boss with each use 
balmy condor
I thought it did at one point
burnt latch
Ye the website is lying, cosmic doesnt include nature
where'd u find the correct schools under cosmic?
spice surge
Or well the spelldata of the trinket didnt like two weeks ago atleast when i talked to fuu
balmy condor
like the antorus shit had cosmic
spice surge
But when i checked wowhead now it says nature
spice surge
But it didnt work ingame with assa 4p
burnt latch
yo this is too deep
spice surge
So idk
balmy condor
damage types are jank as fuck bro
spice surge
Wowhead spell data says it should do nature
minor gate
I though cosmic was just holy and shadow
spice surge
But idk it didnt work when i tested it like a week ago
minor gate
Of wait that’s twilight
oak tangle
i would also look at the annulet for the damage types that would be cosmic
burnt latch
should be fairly easy to see as 40% is quite a signifcant boost
balmy condor
i would also look at the annulet for the damage types that would be cosmic
the uptime ain't good enough for this to be of any importance
balmy condor
ye
rich vine
It works
burnt latch
so the natty hit wouldve been around 1 mil if critted
balmy condor
ye
rich vine
pog?
burnt latch
looks like it works then but ill try some more
balmy condor
holding things to make that work seems a bit sus
burnt latch
oh yeah might not have any changes to anything, probably still just send on CD
balmy condor
I guess you can reliably get the first 2 in though
burnt latch
but im bored and noticed it randomly so wanted to check
balmy condor
I'm seeing the sim get an average cast of 1.1mil
balmy condor
yeah max hit of 1.94mil
fringe spear
you give that trinket to a bear
balmy condor
seems to be working
burnt latch
okay thats cool
bet they're happy at blizzard to whoever coded this trinket as a pet
happy blacklisting
balmy condor
yes
burnt latch
seems so
spice surge
I though cosmic was just holy and shadow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1100490101643022406/image.png
Is what it did a week ago fwiw
minor gate
Lmao
spice surge
had to go back and check my conversation with fuu to make sure i wasnt being a complete dumdum, but seems like somebody on blizzard just accidently gave it the wrong damage type or something and now they fixed it 
spice surge
Shiv is just whitelisted rogue stuff
burnt latch
yeah
spice surge
So it shouldnt work with anything else
fringe spear
rogues and windwalkers deal damage with their abilities challenge (surprisingly difficult)
royal lantern
rogues and windwalkers deal damage with their abilities challenge (surprisingly ...
or in case of sub: do dmg with abilitys where it would make sense (impossible)
floral ore
how down bad is sin looking 10.1? I kinda wanna fk with it for m+
royal lantern
nothing changed
floral ore
cool, pumps ST?
burnt latch
royal lantern
eeeeeeeehhhh......
fringe spear
🙂
oak tangle
the uptime ain't good enough for this to be of any importance
i didn't mean simmign the annulet, i mean't more that the damage types of the stones you can get are based on the cosmic damage theme
just lore things
burnt latch
does sub or outlaw pull ahead on ST?
these are initial full bis patchwerk sims, take with a grain of salt, but u wanted to know how its looking like atm
floral ore
Thank you greens 🙂
burnt latch
outlaw tier not implemented
so not on the list, somewhere between sub and assa would be my guestimate
blazing jewel
This trinket was made by an intern 100%
brazen lantern
these are initial full bis patchwerk sims, take with a grain of salt, but u want...
Well looks like the ticket to raidspot is in m+ grind
Get 5 ilvl ahead of the rest 
burnt latch
Well looks like the ticket to raidspot is in m+ grind
most guilds will bring a rogue anyways
grave depot
watching my guild progress this tier 😦
burnt latch
so its only an issue if you got multiple
where u might get picked over some1 else realistically
brazen lantern
most guilds will bring a rogue anyways
Im the 2nd rogue thats the problem
blazing jewel
Can you imagine the mythic assault shield adds getting nuked from orbit by that trinket
fringe spear
That's pre shoulder fix and feral should be above boomy
shrewd night
minor gate
these are initial full bis patchwerk sims, take with a grain of salt, but u want...
Time to…
Enhance
burnt latch
enhance sims 🤝 variance
they're always like that on sims
the "non gamble" build is like 7k below that
burnt latch
idk man something happened to fury
last i checked they were alright at best
wish i had a warrior at max
that'd be fun as fuck to play
minor gate
the "non gamble" build is like 7k below that
You don’t seem to know who you’re talking to so let me fill you in
I am
fringe spear
fury tier set was garbage t29
blazing jewel
that'd be fun as fuck to play
Are you sure
brazen lantern
I have a war in like 415
minor gate
A gacha player
brazen lantern
So gearable easely
fringe spear
and t30 tier set is pretty good for them
burnt latch
A gacha player
brazen lantern
Especially since it can tank keys 
brazen lantern
Oh ye from fresh 70 no
Im saying mine is salvagabe cause it can jump into s2 m+ right away
burnt latch
ye couple 8/8m runs and some m+ usually is enough to get chars into playable gear
idk if ud want like a eranog ring or some shit on that model too
probs not
warriors like stats afaik
floral ore
is there a basic sin rotation guide somewhere youtube seems shite
winged veldt
Ye the website is lying, cosmic doesnt include nature
You should have told blizzard this with Cosmic Gladiator's Eternal Aegis in pvp then because it definitely worked against nature damage. Meaning nature is definitely in the cosmic school and has been lol.
spice surge
Read further down
shrewd night
is there a basic sin rotation guide somewhere youtube seems shite
Have you uh. Checked the guides and faqs?
balmy condor
yeah we generally want to pool, but with the speed of the spec these days it's not really worth much consideration, good question though
spice surge
yeah we generally want to pool, but with the speed of the spec these days it's n...
Ye pretty much, sub seems like the goto for the next tier
winged veldt
Wait for the amount of reeeee when outlaw turns out top st and has free aoe lol
I’m fully invested in the acceptance phase at this point and still gonna play assa in raid as baby Jesus intended
brazen lantern
<@244129358447509504> are you playing rogue
Seems like it
empty hinge
shrewd night
What, you dont?
empty hinge
No
balmy condor
Ye pretty much, sub seems like the goto for the next tier
thanks man
shrewd night
balmy condor
I knew I could count on you
empty hinge
@balmy condor cute pfp
balmy condor
ty
blazing jewel
Did you level yeti guy yet
empty hinge
If its real bad i have dh or hunter to reroll to
I abandoned ship I’m havoc now
brazen lantern
To play 4 characters
I mean game is kinda fun, just gear a new alt once done with one
Liked learning new specs
flint tusk
Even if outlaw was the best in both situations i wouldn’t play it.
I don’t like pretending i’m on drugs crossed with ADHD just to do damage, while also busting my hands up.
Probably a lot feel the same.
empty hinge
Yes but where time
spice surge
thanks man
Ye we rogues gotta look out for each other, with your tip i will now play assassination better and i will get all the dkp!
balmy condor
Did you level yeti guy yet
no I've been simming now
balmy condor
Ye we rogues gotta look out for each other, with your tip i will now play assass...
good luck on heroic cho'gall prog brother
spice surge
brazen lantern
Cata classic 
spice surge
For sure this is the week i get deathbringer's will
jaunty phoenix
can i put my toxified armor patch on my slimy boots?
cursive frost
So the patch counts as an embellishment?
brazen lantern
It is an embelishment, no?
deft flicker
Yes
cursive frost
Didn’t know if it were like armor enchant,
deft flicker
Toxified patch is an embellishment
cursive frost
So if you do boots and patch that’s it, is shadow flame embellish looking good thus far for assa?
I know shadowflame plus boots is nice for sub initial outlook
balmy condor
Shadowflame is worse than boots + patch
earnest remnant
these are initial full bis patchwerk sims, take with a grain of salt, but u want...
you have the link for that?
cursive frost
Thanks whispyr!
Running boots and patch will cause you to drop eranog ring I imagine?
winged veldt
You wouldn’t run patch if you have 421 Eranog ring cuz you would still have a cowl. You only patch when you can replace Eranog ring. Or Atleast that’s how it was a day ago lol. Shits hella dynamic right now though.
cursive frost
Yeah it seems like best to get gear you can and be patient for sims and things to shake out
static glacier
You forgot about dropping lariat
cursive frost
Hold onto crafting resources
static glacier
Since it’s worthless without sockets
winged veldt
I mean you will drop lariat pretty quick if running m+ due to no sockets and getting a dropped neck or having a pre crafted one in bag like most.
balmy condor
Running boots and patch will cause you to drop eranog ring I imagine?
You would get the eranog procs through the shadowflame enchant
static glacier
Do we know the rppm on enchant?
winged veldt
Since when are we running shadowflame lol. I’m tracking flame and then bomb dispenser together can max your Eranog ring procs. Just didn’t think we did that on assa. My bad. Imma just standby for this week as the waves settle lol
coarse aurora
I'm learning Sin rogue and I am trying to set up my keybinds. How often, if ever, do you use Poisoned Knife?
Is it worth to just unbind it for extra space?
spice spire
Rarely to never
coarse aurora
Ok thanks I'll remove it then for now. There are so many situational rotational buttons I have major button bloat lol
glossy grove
how is assa rogue in next season?#
royal lantern
meh
glossy grove
😦
coarse aurora
I played a little of Outlaw in SL but I'm trying to learn a new spec for raid next tier
burnt latch
you have the link for that?
pale plank
I'm learning Sin rogue and I am trying to set up my keybinds. How often, if ever...
almost never
burnt latch
there ya go bud
earnest remnant
tyty
pale plank
how is assa rogue in next season?#
meh
coarse aurora
Another question my friends, how often do you use Shadowstep? It seems a weird spell to me because it only gives move speed it seems so if you're already on a target, is there a point to using it?
cunning nest
It's a gap closer my friend
coarse aurora
It's odd that they give you 2 charges of it in the builds I'm looking at for Raid ST
Ok so only really used as a gap closer then
winged veldt
Stepping out. Back in, and so on. Step is amazing tbh. Gap closer and avoiding damage
cunning nest
Avoiding a cone for example
cunning nest
I love shadowstep, because it is so instant ❤️
coarse aurora
I guess we get a bonus for attacking from behind?
winged veldt
With some of the mechanics in this raid it will be used a lot also on some fights to get max uptime
cunning nest
When fightig sennarth, shadowstep is a godsend
uncut echo
I guess we get a bonus for attacking from behind?
All melee do, we don't get parried
cunning nest
I love the two stacks
winged veldt
Was easily the second most broken spell on m razbehind dk lol
uncut echo
Was easily the second most broken spell on m razbehind dk lol
Cloak or ss?
cunning nest
Yeah insane on rasz, too
coarse aurora
Wait sennarth... Wouldn't that put you behind her, i.e., falling to your death?
royal lantern
no
uncut echo
Wait sennarth... Wouldn't that put you behind her, i.e., falling to your death?
Nope, puts you in front if back isnt elligible
royal lantern
you have set positions on the platform
cunning nest
Sennarth is a friendly spider
winged veldt
Cloak or ss?
Step/ss but yes cloak is easily the most broken lol
coarse aurora
Huh I never realised that
royal lantern
you legit ignore the entire fight mechanic as a rogue
uncut echo
Step/ss but yes cloak is easily the most broken lol
Cloak goated yes, but warr charge and heroic leap want a word
winged veldt
Cloak goated yes, but warr charge and heroic leap want a word
I see you fully embracing the war lol
coarse aurora
Dh Fel Rush/Vengeful Retreat isn't bad either tbh
uncut echo
True but those work in spite of tank positioning on raz
winged veldt
We demand a return to the rogue lol!
cunning nest
Do you know the Situation at terros, when you try to make a line and afterwards you were Stuck? Just ss and sidestep the aoe and you are fine
royal lantern
True but those work in spite of tank positioning on raz
i only died once cus of a bad step on raza
uncut echo
i only died once cus of a bad step on raza
Twice for me, but both were tank issues.
winged veldt
I will say step on sennarth could be goated or just troll you with a tornado at the step location lol
royal lantern
others bad, not me 🙂
uncut echo
:3
royal lantern
coarse aurora
You taunt as a Havoc and watch the confusion ensue 🙂
winged veldt
Yes I took one L on raz due to him turning and I step behind and went flying off lol
uncut echo
Step sucks for that reason
Imho
I hate being entirely dependant on another for it to be a functional spell
winged veldt
uncut echo
Cloak 3 when dance is up?
balmy condor
Step sucks for that reason
what are you doing step-suck
uncut echo
SHEESH
uncut echo
what are you doing step-suck
Wanna find out?
flint tusk
Skill issue imo
coarse aurora
Ok I have a question for Exsanguinate. What is the purpose of it on things like Raid fights? Just having your bleeds do the damage in a faster time seems pretty bad no?
Like then you just have to reapply them
I can see the draw for M+ maybe but idk am I missing something?
deft flicker
Ok I have a question for Exsanguinate. What is the purpose of it on things like ...
Speeding up means they tick faster as well as expire faster
flint tusk
Ok I have a question for Exsanguinate. What is the purpose of it on things like ...
I mean damage per second is more damage faster is better
grave depot
its le BURST damooge
coarse aurora
Ok but what's the point of burst if the fight lasts 5 minutes?
royal lantern
Ok I have a question for Exsanguinate. What is the purpose of it on things like ...
more bleed ticks in exsang also results in more bleed ticks over the course of the entire fight
coarse aurora
Wouldn't the overall be the same without it?
royal lantern
you can Play the 2nd point of improved poisons mate, doesnt really make a big difference 
exotic robin
these are initial full bis patchwerk sims, take with a grain of salt, but u want...
From when are those sims?
balmy condor
the assassination number looks accurate
burnt latch
if they dont
balmy condor
based on my numbers
burnt latch
max 5 hours old
exotic robin
Kk, bcs locks were kinda bugged and those bugs were implemented into sims aswell
deft flicker
Wouldn't the overall be the same without it?
Over the course of a 5-min fight you get to apply 6 min worth of bleed duration. Or something like that
exotic robin
Busted class
coarse aurora
you can Play the 2nd point of improved poisons mate, doesnt really make a big di...
Is it going to be a massive damage loss overall if I drop Exsang? I am just trying to work out what binds I can do without or what is core
burnt latch
Kk, bcs locks were kinda bugged and those bugs were implemented into sims aswell
i havent heard about locks being bugged, whats wrong with their sims?
coarse aurora
Over the course of a 5-min fight you get to apply 6 min worth of bleed duration....
Oh yea I think I get it actually that you say that. So you're condensing the fight to apply more bleed damage
rocky ruin
based on my numbers
we under WW Monks then
burnt latch
tuning today
rocky ruin
if they are accurate too
burnt latch
exotic robin
i havent heard about locks being bugged, whats wrong with their sims?
Idk what exactly it was, guildie talked about it
deft flicker
Oh yea I think I get it actually that you say that. So you're condensing the fig...
Yes, that’s what Exsang does
coarse aurora
I never thought about it like that tbh^ Thanks for the explanation
rocky ruin
tuning today
if they doing additional tuning for us im stopping eating meat
winged veldt
if they doing additional tuning for us im stopping eating meat
We ordering tbone or filet?
gusty mirage
everything in moderation
How about this for in moderation buddy? 
burnt latch
How about this for in moderation buddy? <a:hypergrab:965830301093888042>
how about u moderate this 
royal lantern
Is it going to be a massive damage loss overall if I drop Exsang? I am just tryi...
~2% loss iirc
you play no exsang for raza aswell btw
winged veldt
burnt latch
<a:tastyge:1011400205620498477>
gusty mirage
Don’t hate the warcieft, hate the game
burnt latch
gusty mirage
rocky ruin
We ordering tbone or filet?
Filet is kinda boring on its own and tbone is kinda nice but expensive
winged veldt
Then ribeye cuz it’s better than both anyways
gusty mirage
Lemme have my fun
Fun this buddy
uncut echo
I've offered so many times, and you keep declining me
winged veldt
Waiting for a 5-10k dps increase tuning patch today! HOPIUM!
peak bobcat
Based oxi
uncut echo
🤝
uncut echo
Are losing any banked catalyat charges today
uncut echo
Big gainz
earnest remnant
still 12% behind warlock tho xD
idle gorge
What changed?
earnest remnant
we did some apl changes
idle gorge
XD
earnest remnant
and gear optimizations
royal lantern
we did some apl changes
more gloomblade casts?
idle gorge
Pinned sim updated?
gusty mirage
sub stonks are rising by the min
Wh
earnest remnant
the best rogue spec ofc
peak bobcat
Come on blizzard give us one playable spec at least 
flint tusk
Just not shitlaw
gusty mirage
the best rogue spec ofc
Nah bro who asked about sub
burnt latch
we are now at 131k
if 50% of the specs damage isnt gloomblade i dont want it
gusty mirage
if 50% of the specs damage isnt gloomblade i dont want it
Based
royal lantern
we need sim updates with a 4set boosted beacon
spice surge
if 50% of the specs damage isnt gloomblade i dont want it
We have 35% of our damage from random effects and on-use trinkets, it that good enough?
Outlaw is at 40% so i guess you'd prefer that spec huh
royal lantern
We have 35% of our damage from random effects and on-use trinkets, it that good ...
it just shows that DF sub is litearlly purple outlaw
burnt latch
Outlaw is at 40% so i guess you'd prefer that spec huh
the 55% WW pre tier change was to my liking
rocky ruin
I can feel whispyr say no apl changes for us we're waiting for tuning
tiny ember
I can feel whispyr say no apl changes for us we're waiting for tuning
Tunning bro you not even copimuming anymore
rocky ruin
Tunning bro you not even copimuming anymore
i'm already beyond it
tiny ember
i'm already beyond it
I have ascended also I can't be hurt anymore
gusty mirage
True
storm forum
Fellow ranged DoT enjoyer
rocky ruin
I have ascended also I can't be hurt anymore
that's a genius move i must say
tiny ember
that's a genius move i must say
I might not have a brain ...but I have a plan
gusty mirage
Don’t need a brain when your class is tuned high enough for it to not matter
Every warlock I’ve ever met is dumb as rocks and they seem to be doing just fine
storm forum
Warlocks traded their braincell for fel magic, it's canonical
winged kindle
What does it mean if I play both
gusty mirage
Sova coming for that ass
gusty mirage
Idk how people play caster and not fall asleep ngl
I always zone out on my warlock and forget to spell queue
gusty mirage
Yeah they had like 2 bosses that targeted range
rocky ruin
Because you play while asleep no brain need for that
gusty mirage
You know how hard it is to play a boss where you have to do things???
Y’all ever play a caster on dathea?
Lmao it’s legit free as fuck
storm forum
Whenever a ranged caster gets mad about that I bring up halondrus
gusty mirage
Tornados aren’t a mechanic for ranged
They just stand somewhere and free cast for x minutes
storm forum
And then die when they get targeted cause they didn't have to learn how the tornado arrows worked for 50 pulls
gusty mirage
Meanwhile melee on dathea you feel like you’re storming the beaches of Normandy in ww2
Dodging tornados and the warrior who’s inevitably going to charge in with the mark during burn phase
And the DH doing acrobatics for momentum
storm forum
I swear the warriors are intervening to me when they get lightning
gusty mirage
It does seem that way
tiny ember
maybe another tunning pas tonight?
gusty mirage
Tonight?
I’m not sure about that one my dude
Maybe this weekend or next week
And even that’s a maybe
storm forum
I think a tuning patch today is just hope they accidentally a 0 during maintenance and increase Kingsbane by 120% instead of 12%
winged veldt
I feel I can stay relevant til I hit a ceiling in 3 weeks and people skyrocket. So a tuning pass within a month would be great lol
spice surge
Meanwhile melee on dathea you feel like you’re storming the beaches of Normandy ...
Ye and this was used as an example of why vault was a melee unfriendly raid before release
Which is why i dont believe when people say that aberrus is melee unfriendly either
gusty mirage
I mean I don’t think vault was particularly melee friendly either
gusty mirage
I will say though it’s impressive how they seem to always have 2 bosses that are dogshit every tier
unreal coyote
sennarth and ?
gusty mirage
Brood and dathea
unborn geode
melee will always bash ranged and ranged will bash melee... it just determines what you like and get a feel for....
As a alt person i play both and i think melee did have it easier in vault except on Sennarth
storm forum
I liked sennarth
spice surge
Sennart is turbo chill as a rogue wdym
gusty mirage
It’s just pulling until people figure their shut out
Oh we get all the eggs?
Someone in add group got hit by a frontal and missed a kick?
unreal coyote
brood is a shit fight too ngl
gusty mirage
Yeah it’s terrible lmao
Usually either add group or boss group have fun
Brood, neither did
unreal coyote
very not fun either way
spice surge
Like ye you have to spread out on sennarth while you nuke the add
But besides that you just hit boss
storm forum
Sennarth was a cool fight, moving around a huge arena, shadow stepping the pull, feeling like 200 IQ gigabrain when you use the rocks to stop the pull on any other class
spice surge
Get gripped down > step up
gusty mirage
Still a billion times better than dathea or brood tbh
unreal coyote
i didnt mind dathea much
gusty mirage
Dathea was legit so terrible
upper trail
dathea was the worst fight in vault
gusty mirage
And still is
storm forum
Yeah thats fair, ice was weird and bad
unreal coyote
brood was easier fight than dath but less fun i think
unborn geode
i like dathea
gusty mirage
Dathea was just a terrible design
unreal coyote
and i just stayed down and stabbed her
storm forum
But I didn't feel it that much on rogue or druid, more pronounced when I did the fight on my priest
unreal coyote
fights are just getting a bit long too if im being honest
gusty mirage
Kinda weird for the gatekeeping boss from the final boss
upper trail
dathea was visually a mess, how can you have a mechanic that doesnt have a 100% clear indictor built in that shows how far along you are to completing the mechanic
unreal coyote
expounded tedium and less skill checks
gusty mirage
fights are just getting a bit long too if im being honest
They 100% are
storm forum
Brood last phase was fun for me. I did volunteer to do staff/eggs so I didn't fall asleep before then though lol
unreal coyote
its not a great angle
earnest remnant
Brood’s problem is it was boring
dunno it was kinda spicy when we got there
shit hurt
adds were tight
gusty mirage
It hurting doesn’t make it fun or exciting
spice surge
I mean, its not like fights are getting longer
earnest remnant
boss dmg was really well tuned
storm forum
adds were tight
This is the assa channel, we don't do those here
spice surge
Theyve just always been long, but ye i prefer short fights too
unreal coyote
ras is absurdly long
spice surge
Blackhand was and absolute banger because of it
unreal coyote
2 intermissions ?
gusty mirage
It just became tedious quick
spice surge
Its not absurdly long compared to most other end bosses no
earnest remnant
dunno rasz was like 12min
unreal coyote
but its all front loaded prog
gusty mirage
The “wow this is a new boss” feeling faded real quick with brood
unreal coyote
makes it feel AWFUL
spice surge
Its actually kinda short
earnest remnant
sylvannas being 14+
spice surge
For an end boss
tiny ember
on another note bois at least when raid comes out we can play since we most likely on the bench XD
spice surge
Unironically
gusty mirage
sylvannas being 14+
Just run up the chains bro
For half the fight
And yet somehow still not as terrible as KT
KT was the worst boss I’ve ever pulled in my life
storm forum
Last bosses are kinda always too long. Tuned to be like 10-12 min fights, then some mythic shit that makes it 12-15 min long
gusty mirage
As in Kel thuzad in sod
unreal coyote
oh i skipped slands mostly
spice surge
Sha of fear 24 minutes long 🙂 🙂 🙂
unreal coyote
no regrets at all
gusty mirage
Whoever designed that boss needs to never touch boss design again
spice surge
Margok in highmaul was also like 21
unborn geode
KT was easy compared to Slyvannas
storm forum
Just cause it was easy doesn't make it a good boss?
spice surge
Holding dps bosses 
spice spire
KT was a hold dps bozo fiesta
I do not want to hold damage, I want to do damage
storm forum
Good morning
gusty mirage
I do not want to hold damage, I want to do damage
Based as fuck
I’ve never had a streamer clip resonate with my soul so hard
He was spot on
balmy condor
I do not want to hold damage, I want to do damage
are you not damage, cause I want to hold you
gusty mirage
are you not damage, cause I want to hold you
Bro go to sleep
unreal coyote
LOL
spice spire
Brother you need sleep
gusty mirage
Tf is wrong with you
storm forum
are you not damage, cause I want to hold you
Are you not damage? Cause I wanna do you.
balmy condor
wait
gusty mirage
No shot I wake up, shower, get dressed and get down to the courthouse and you’re still awake
storm forum
Got 'em
uncut echo
True ig
balmy condor
No shot I wake up, shower, get dressed and get down to the courthouse and you’re...
making my way courthouse, talking fast, paper stacks, and im sued now
dananananananan danananananana
and I need you
dnanananaa
balmy condor
and I miss you
storm forum
Whispyr are you okay?
deft flicker
balmy condor
exsang your dms kids
storm forum
Oh man
spice spire
exsang your dms kids
No man
rocky ruin
i swear that feels so strange to exsang your dm
spice spire
I didn't put a question mark at the end of my sentence you dumb dog
Yeah I answered anyway you sleepy fuck, sass me again and I’ll kiss you on the goddamn mouth
balmy condor
aw man and that really sucks
storm forum
Wait
gusty mirage
i swear that feels so strange to exsang your dm
What if you do it in accident 6 pulls in a row?
balmy condor
cause I super don't like men
balmy condor
don't make me kiss men
storm forum
Wait
storm forum
Are we exsanging DM now
balmy condor
mankissing
gusty mirage
In aoe, sometimes yes
storm forum
For tier set bonus
gusty mirage
Welcome to the shit show
balmy condor
storm forum
This is fucked up
gusty mirage
storm forum
I'm not touching my rogue this tier.
gusty mirage
May I suggest warlock or uhdk?
spice spire
I simply will not run Exsang in dungeons 
storm forum
I'm already playing priest this tier
gusty mirage
Ouch
rocky ruin
What if you do it in accident 6 pulls in a row?
Well than fuck me like freehold first grp to boss and ppl asking where is dmg rogue
im telling them well my tset give me dmg bonus after my big badabum cd
unreal coyote
imagine not only playing rogue since 2005
storm forum
I wanted to heal ok
unreal coyote
weakness
spice spire
I wanted to heal ok
You good?
storm forum
No
gusty mirage
Well than fuck me like freehold first grp to boss and ppl asking where is dmg ro...
I just pray for a wipe on bosses when I do it
gusty mirage
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
Go. To. Sleep.
deft flicker
Whispyr can you add a DM icon role pls??
deft flicker
storm forum
Man
deft flicker
Neither is Kingsbane
gusty mirage
Yes it is
rocky ruin
I just pray for a wipe on bosses when I do it
funny thought if mob grp did so fast cause everyone come with there big burst aoe cd and you can't use you dm exsang bonus afterwards
storm forum
Hey, I'll grief my dps however I want (in open world content)
deft flicker
Hmm, fair enough
gusty mirage
The fact that we can not take DM entirely is kinda funny though
thorn fjord
Do you guys like or hate the vault changes?
storm forum
There are vault changes?
gusty mirage
Maybe I shoulda suggested that to people who didn’t like the keybinds
gusty mirage
Do you guys like or hate the vault changes?
What vault changes
The loot from previous bosses thing?
royal lantern
The fact that we can not take DM entirely is kinda funny though
i mean, cant most specs ignore the tier set talent if they want
balmy condor
Hey, I'll grief my dps however I want (in open world content)
you can grief your dps now by not using not exsang before your deathmark
unreal coyote
!fuu
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thorn fjord
Going forward, for raid slots, killing a boss will now give you a chance at all of the previous bosses’ loot. For example, if you’re invited to a kill on Sarkareth, you’ll be 1/9 towards vault progress for that week. However, you’ll now have the loot from the entire raid in your vault pool for the raid slots. This change will go into effect with the first week of the Aberrus raid in Season 2.
gusty mirage
It’s irrelevant to me
thorn fjord
I may be reading it wrong tho
gusty mirage
So I don’t have any opinion on it
rocky ruin
@balmy condor if we use dm exsang shouldn't we hold IC afterwards for spreading our dots around
because more dmg and so
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> if we use dm exsang shouldn't we hold IC afterwards for sp...
aight lets think about that one
storm forum
Yeah same. I don't care about it. I just wanna pew pew.
balmy condor
where you getting your imp gar from
storm forum
Shadowmeld
royal lantern
not everyone is a degen elf player
storm forum
Smh
gusty mirage
not everyone is a degen elf player
yet
gusty mirage
I’m not allowed to swap to nelf
Cross faction guilds tho
unreal coyote
nelf players will never find happiness
thorn fjord
Yeah they told us any alliance swaps will be warming the bench 🤣
thorn fjord
Xenophobia
unreal coyote
imagine playing alliance
gusty mirage
What is your guild tf
rocky ruin
where you getting your imp gar from
stealth and so
i know, but after dm and exsang you get the increased nature dmg shit
is it than fok, tab rupture targets and CT
thorn fjord
I’m sure they’re joking… gonna wait tho lol
gusty mirage
Imagine telling people how to play the game they’re paying for with their own money
unborn geode
Going forward, for raid slots, killing a boss will now give you a chance at all ...
the average person won't be effected. only people attempting to farm 1 single piece of gear will be
gusty mirage
Holy shit that’s cringe
grim tangle
I can finally go orc
rocky ruin
i thought gnome rogue is the way
thorn fjord
I should swap and gank the RL one night
unreal coyote
the made alliance so unappealing as a faction that they rely on racials and implement cross fac everything to save face XD
balmy condor
stealth and so
i know, but after dm and exsang you get the increased nature dmg...
I don’t understand the question, the fact that we get the nature damage is why we’re exsanging the Deathmark
So we get it sooner
So it covers the whole carnage
Holding carnage would defeat the purpose
And you’d need to get a second source of imp gar
Versus just using the imp gar you would’ve normally used for the Deathmark
rocky ruin
So it covers the whole carnage
ahh i thought if we dm exsang the rupture don't benefit from the bonus dmg
outer lodge
haughty flicker
