assassination

[balmy condor]

or you're strapped on money

that's why I said it's probably fine if you're trying to save gold

[brazen lantern]

Why shoulder?

[balmy condor]

because it does the most dam

[brazen lantern]

[balmy condor]

like usually how this works right

is I sim the gear

[brazen lantern]

Does it do different dmg on different statbudget slots?

[balmy condor]

and then it says

what the biggest number is

and then I tell you what the biggest number is

so if number big

then gear good

idk man

[somber fractal]

whoa what are these leaked rogue buffs im seeing in that note?

[deft flicker]

But why number big

[royal lantern]

just give me a small "get this emb" list on raid release and im happy

[deft flicker]

And if two number big but close

[balmy condor]

because robot go beep boop and say number big

[brazen lantern]

Im confused, so the shoulder is just where it sims as bis, but it should do the same dmg on every slot, right?

[balmy condor]

the shoulder is a standalone piece

like the boots

[gaunt moat]

I still don't follow, maybe because i'm not familiar enough with the items themselves.
Did you mean that if you craft boots + patch, then you shouldn't craft shoulders?
or that if you've got shoulder + boots, only one patch is enough?
Can you even have two patches at the same time? they're not unique?

[balmy condor]

you can't craft into different slots

[brazen lantern]

Ah

[grim jay]

I thought one of our issues is that number aint big. Cant trust your sims

[brazen lantern]

Thats what i was missing

[royal lantern]

do we know how long we wanna hold on our current set btw?

[balmy condor]

boots + patch is 2x boots, which is close enough to boots + shoulder. patch doubles the embellish but costs 2 embellish slots

[balmy condor]

hold for what

[royal lantern]

like, go 2+2 asap, only go for new tier when you have all 4 etc......

[balmy condor]

super depends on ilvl

tier bonuses aren't like 30% sepulcher anymore

they're like

4%

2+2 soon is probably safe

it should flow pretty easily

you always want to have 4 pieces on

but you're not gonna drop mythic 2 piece for lfr 2 piece or whatever

also the fact that the bonuses are flipped (current 2pc is poison, 4pc is bleed, new one is 2pc bleed, 4pc nature)

means that there's very little room for cheese

if it were bleed on both 2 pieces there would probably be jank with exsang and shit where it goes loco

but that's not really a thing

you replace bleed with bleed, poison with nature

and they're about the same strength

[sick aspen]

but that gives you the best of both worlds for sepsis/dance 😛

[gaunt moat]

I'm sorry, I'm still confused about what you meant in your post when you wrote
"Embellish Boots or Shoulder without a patch to maintain cowl+eranog ring"
because you wrote
" Toxic patch might be good and you only craft one of them? "
By "them" do you mean, either shoulders or boots?
"so there's no point in crafting the second one technically if you can get a giga shoulder week 1 for example"
Here you meant shoudlers/boots by "second one"?

just the use of "them" is confusing for me, i'm not sure what's the subject.

I understand that patch doubles the effectives, that's not what I'm asking.
I'm asking what's your intent on what should be craft/equipped first.

[balmy condor]

them being both. You can't craft shoulders without breaking either cowl+eranog, or 4 piece, but shoulder+boot is better overall

so you craft boots, or shoulders

depending on what you can replace

and then go from there

if you never get to the point where you can drop the eranog ring, or you save money

[late surge]

What are the leaked buffs 😮

[balmy condor]

then you don't craft both

[blazing jewel]

Would that be true even with the new enchant

To proc the ring

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim jay]

The new enchant isnt close to enough to trigger eranog as often

[balmy condor]

new enchant also just sucks ass from what I saw

[blazing jewel]

It’s uptime seems to vary a lot from what I’ve seen

[gaunt moat]

thanks.
And at which point then does armor patch come into play, when we'll eventually lose cowl/erenog?

[grim jay]

Kinda like it more than random stat proc (unrelated to tuning)

[balmy condor]

the patch comes in while you can't lose cowl, if you can lose cowl you can wear the shoulders so you just craft the 2 of them

[marble hemlock]

Can you just post a bis list instead?

[balmy condor]

I did actually

it's in the screenshot

[gaunt moat]

I'm dumn, for some reason i thought decay counts as 2 embellishments, that's why i was confused, i'm gonna excuse it by just waking up.
so we'll have cowl + patch. got it.

[balmy condor]

the patch is the second embellish

the boots count as 1

[marble hemlock]

I'm not gonna go to an art gallery, i just wanna know what's the best pe... What's the best embellishment

[gaunt moat]

so boots + patch. but you just wrote "the patch comes in while you can't lose cowl".
(I feel like i'm being dumb here)

[balmy condor]

I'm running out of ways to explain this

boots + shoulder is bis
boots + patch is close
you can't wear shoulder if you need to wear cowl

[gaunt moat]

that's all i needed 🙂

[balmy condor]

glad we got there

[somber fractal]

what about shoulder + patch 😉

[grim jay]

I mean he just said that before

[balmy condor]

if you can craft shoulder you can craft boots

[blazing jewel]

Guys remember when he said he was going on dnd earlier

[gaunt moat]

hah
well maybe it's worth adding it to your summary, i'm just there might be at least one more person that might get confused

[royal lantern]

for the breedable spec its good iirc

[grim jay]

Breedable spec

[blazing jewel]

[marble hemlock]

Idk i just read the pin and the path to replacing/changing embellishments is pretty clear

Don't think there's any ambiguity there?

[balmy condor]

I'm just gonna get rid of it and let the embellishment balancing settle in me thinks

[royal lantern]

i mean, its just "grab shoulder and Boots, they are good"

[balmy condor]

cause boots got 112% buff

so

who fucking knows at this point

tbh

[royal lantern]

its called sub rogue

not top or switch rogue

sorry man, i didnt make the names

[deft flicker]

👀

[subtle tundra]

What about crafting dagger for mh ilvl

🤓

[balmy condor]

what about it

[subtle tundra]

Would we want it early instead of embellishment

Idk how crafting is next patch

[balmy condor]

idk varas

what does this say

[subtle tundra]

Idk

Can you type it

[balmy condor]

yeah sure

I'll type so you get it

hold on

[subtle tundra]

Don't ban me

[balmy condor]

scrie pumnal primul prost

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-21412262

[subtle tundra]

English to Romanian is so bad

[balmy condor]

be like that

[analog glade]

[subtle tundra]

You need to type "you dummy"

[balmy condor]

romanians fault tbh

[grim jay]

Just suck his blood

[subtle tundra]

I suck his

[balmy condor]

yeah you suck alright

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/pepiu-suck-chupar-mmm-gif-20488565

[subtle tundra]

Didn't whispar say he go sleep

[royal lantern]

how many years are you in this place now

why do you think people can read

[balmy condor]

@obsidian basin varas suck?

[subtle tundra]

Leave the filthy druid alone

[balmy condor]

if theres one thing druids know, it's how to suck

he seems like an expert opinion

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

I'll go to sleep before you at this rate

[balmy condor]

simply do not sleep

[blazing jewel]

No sleep only day raid

[subtle tundra]

Saving this

[grim jay]

German news site just had an article about sucking being a bigger factor for throat cancer than smoking

Or was it larynx

[royal lantern]

wut

[balmy condor]

as in like

sucking cigarettes raw

bigger than smoking

cause that's not how sucking dick works

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[blazing jewel]

^

[deft flicker]

This looks so much cleaner

[subtle tundra]

This guy knows how to suck dick

[balmy condor]

yeah it's supposed to be this

[brazen lantern]

Hmu for coaching

[balmy condor]

for druid or sucking

[brazen lantern]

I dont play druid

[balmy condor]

understandable

[royal lantern]

but still suck

[blazing jewel]

[grim jay]

They did hide the clarification that its about oral with HPV

[deft flicker]

Looked like this to me which is weird

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's what it looks like

when the markdown fails

idk why it doesn't work for people

it was supposed to be rolled out server wide

[subtle tundra]

It's ok

[balmy condor]

with the 4/18 update

[subtle tundra]

I forgive you

[deft flicker]

Might be me using iOS 9 or smth

[balmy condor]

it doesn't work on my phone either

[subtle tundra]

Android gaming

[balmy condor]

but then someone said it works on their phone

but not on their pc

[deft flicker]

Yeah that happens

[balmy condor]

discord rolling out a new feautre

very cool

super epic

works 100%

[deft flicker]

I mean it works when zac spams LOGIN in onega caps

But not here

[balmy condor]

LOGIN

[deft flicker]

Wait, that’s broken too now

[balmy condor]

[deft flicker]

[balmy condor]

ty discord

[deft flicker]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

very nice

[deft flicker]

Ty discord for making today’s mental breakdown possible

[balmy condor]

but yah

if the # LOGIN works

then the pin should too

cause it's all the same update

but if it doesn't

then everything broken

[deft flicker]

It worked yesterday. Now it does not

[balmy condor]

excellent

[spice spire]

Ignorance could have been bliss

[limber lion]

Wtf it broke again

Ty discord

[balmy condor]

the pin is simply

ahead of its time

[open reef]

do We swap Tiers asap ? or go 4set from Vault til We get 4 set from new raid ?

[gaunt moat]

maybe they haven't updated their discord

[spice spire]

No u updated (mobile)

[balmy condor]

mostly ilvl, 4pc to 2+2 to 4pc

[balmy condor]

nah, some people had it working yesterday, and now it broke again

just discord dogshit

[royal lantern]

we all should go back and use ts3 again

or skype

[balmy condor]

okay calm down

discord has broken features

but at least it has features

[royal lantern]

i legit dont understand why 50% of german guilds use ts3

[spice spire]

Skill issue tbh

[brazen lantern]

Just

Dont try to understand germans

Waste of time

[somber fractal]

so why is the shadowflame eblishment good for sub but not for us?

[vestal wren]

to be fair, ts3 has a advantages over discord

[spice surge]

Me and my friends think TS has better sound quality in general, but idk the main feature i hate discord for is not being able to privately link stuff in your channel

[vestal wren]

volume normalization is so much better on ts3

[spice surge]

And also the fact that discord sells all of your data etc

[brazen lantern]

Idc about my data

[vestal wren]

you don't have 1 person constantly yell (in terms of volume) and someone else you already maxed out on volume boost still whispering

[brazen lantern]

Wdym privately link

[spice surge]

Sub does 35% more shadow damage in general because some of its talents affect the embellishment

[vestal wren]

privacy isn' that big of a concern

[spice surge]

If me and two others are in discord i cant send them a link somewhere in discord that other people cant see

Besides dms

You can link stuff in the channel youre in, but people can look at that channel any time

And see it

[somber fractal]

really? usually that stuff doesnt effect things like item and trinket procs. does our bonus to nature damage increase the damage of the toxic embellishments?

[spice surge]

It does yes, thats why the nature ones are good for assa

[spice spire]

In a tier where our set revolves around nature damage, it turns out nature damage might be good,
But also a full update has not occurred, this is just kind of a first go through

[vestal wren]

moroes can do that too tho

[royal lantern]

no, it doesnt

🙂

[spice spire]

But, initially it looks to be this way

[balmy condor]

just the tier

shiv doesn't affect it

[royal lantern]

junge, ich bin einer und ich verstehe die oft ned

[spice surge]

Ye mb shouldve been more clear

[vestal wren]

shadowflame is 100% the choice on sub

for outlaw/sin it isn't set

like boots + toxic patch can 📈 too

[vestal wren]

i am sorry, i austrian "german" is quite a bit diffrent

[spice spire]

It’s looking v promising

[vestal wren]

not as bad as shiss german, but still

[spice spire]

Getting rid of that bastard eranog ring

[spice surge]

Sheesh germans are my favourite

[brazen lantern]

[royal lantern]

sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

[spice surge]

I dont have it to begin with (only hc)

[somber fractal]

i wonder if the tier affecting the toxic items is intended. the monk tier was affecting trinkets and that wasnt intended

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

it isn't

[flint tusk]

I can't wait as i got fucked the whole patch and still only have the heroic version....

[balmy condor]

but the implementations of the tier

are super fucking janky

[spice spire]

I snaked it week one of mythic with my guild

[balmy condor]

so we're stuck with nak

[spice surge]

Absolute dog tier vaults and weve only had 1 drop the entire tier

[somber fractal]

so is the toxic shit still the best even if they make it do tier doesnt affect it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[flint tusk]

our DH tank ended up getting 8 mythic eranog rings in vault....

[spice spire]

We were casual andies and everyone kinda gave up past Terros. So we had like 5-6 kills?

[somber fractal]

hows the shadowflame weapon enchant looking for sin?

[balmy condor]

worse

[vestal wren]

[spice spire]

I got 3 in vault and looted it

[somber fractal]

damn so still just boring old sophic

[balmy condor]

we'll see how tuning ends up

we're still missing tier in sims

week 1 tuning

all that jazz

[flint tusk]

So it's looking like sin and sub will have different pref stats/enchants this tier?

[somber fractal]

yeah im just gonna craft a giga ilvl dagger first anyway so plenty of time to see how it plays out

[balmy condor]

is sub not crit mast

[royal lantern]

nah

its a degen spec now Whisp

vers

🙂

[balmy condor]

ah good good

[flint tusk]

i think the tier changes it. least i read that

[balmy condor]

buff all that external damage

[royal lantern]

finishers do no dmg in st, its all gloomblade+external shit 🙂

[balmy condor]

excellent

good design

[spice spire]

What have they done

[random fossil]

How long does it take to get the annulet ring with the correct things in it

I skipped mini patch

[flint tusk]

nothing that's the point xD

[spice spire]

Two hours tops

[balmy condor]

yeh

[random fossil]

Sweet

[balmy condor]

maybe 3-4 if you get unlucky

[spice spire]

You can also funnel keys from alts

[royal lantern]

2hours probs, unless REALLY unlucky

[somber fractal]

at least we are still a crit/mast gentlmans spec

[spice spire]

If you’re GIGA unluck

[flint tusk]

yeh just bottom melee ST spec xD good compromise 😛

[balmy condor]

assa is on that "stats don't matter" type vibe

[royal lantern]

except vers

[flint tusk]

in before assa turns into vers haste xD

[balmy condor]

vers isn't bad

[royal lantern]

if your spec starts stacking the PvP stat, something is wrong

[balmy condor]

crit > mast=vers in dungeons

is pretty legit

[somber fractal]

is there a break point for crit. if there is i never hit it in vault

[balmy condor]

breakpoints?

[royal lantern]

~100% imo

[balmy condor]

mam this is a retail server

wrath classic is that way ➡️ 🚪

[flint tusk]

you need 25% armor pen

[random fossil]

Am I trolling if I don't get the annulet ring at all

[flint tusk]

and 15% expertise

[random fossil]

Or is it a minor DPS gain sort of deal

[balmy condor]

you mean are you trolling if you don't get the bis ring for all of next patch?

I mean

maybe?

[random fossil]

Fuck

[flint tusk]

haha

i mean i'd take 2-4 hours of work for a BIS ring over RNG getting fucked for 3 months

pick your poison really

[random fossil]

Yeah true

I was hoping to not touch wow til next week but alas

If I don't do it now I won't do it ever

[dark bridge]

Not much to do next week anyway. I'm sure you'll have time

[flint tusk]

i mean you can wait.
but you'll just be giving yourself more pain getting keys as everyone will have moved on

as next reset people will be into 10.1 stuff

[balmy condor]

yeah... not much at all

stares at guide due dates

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hitmans-bodyguard-samuel-l-jackson-time-tick-tock-mother-fucker-gif-16837428

[balmy condor]

its okay

the assassination guides are super easy

[flint tusk]

"bad"

[random fossil]

They will be beautiful

[balmy condor]

I just ctrl+f "10.0.7" and change it to "10.1"

[hollow dirge]

guide for assa - "Go sub"

[flint tusk]

I'm sure you'll manage to craft a glorious article with those 2 whole global change notes we got Lel

[balmy condor]

I have a guide portion due tomorrow

I haven't started yet

I'm just gonna crank that out in like

25 minutes

[violet island]

I was told I have to share this in other channels because apparently Outlaw isn't the only "real" rogue spec. I threw together a guide on the correct way to use Shadowflame Crests to get 441 ilvl very quickly. https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/131qngn/im_back_with_a_new_raiders_guide_for_101_includes/?

[balmy condor]

t...thanks?

[violet island]

[flint tusk]

Outlaw isn't a real spec fullstop. let alone a real rogue spec

It seems like the spec design blizzard go to when they haven't got a clue what to do.
just like how the new shadow priest is apparently the same now xD

1 rotation for ST and AOE except pressing 1 button

[upper breach]

Brain thought that was a survival hunter guide

[serene fossil]

Ofc it did kek

[balmy condor]

I just have no idea what prompted it

[flint tusk]

typical outlaw brain prompted it

[violet island]

lmao

[balmy condor]

bro shows up, self promotes his reddit post, leaves

chad

[violet island]

That happened in 9.1 as well

I'M HERE

I'm just mainly talking in outlaw lmao

[serene fossil]

He wasnt promoting was he? Just letting peeps know he made a write up that may help

[spice spire]

Respect that

[serene fossil]

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's promoting aint it

[flint tusk]

see even outlaw players know their spec sucks

[serene fossil]

He aint getting anything for it, not even a “good job”

[vestal wren]

people just know what spec is the best

[slow needle]

Should have kept the strong pirate theming and renamed it bucaneer.

[balmy condor]

yeh that's how it works

[serene fossil]

Who the fuck hurt you

[serene fossil]

Sadge

[violet island]

Damnit

I forgot to say

[flint tusk]

you stole my combat you bastards

😛

[violet island]

You have to pay $5 per word to read it

[serene fossil]

Fucking self promoter, get fucked

[balmy condor]

can you guys go be cringe in outlaw again

why are you here

[serene fossil]

Bc of you

[slow needle]

And you won't come to us.

[flint tusk]

[balmy condor]

well can you leave because of me then

[serene fossil]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

holy

[serene fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-14651222

[serene fossil]

Wrong class

[flint tusk]

i mean holy rogue might actually get some changes

[spice spire]

We’re not hunters

[serene fossil]

U mean back to combat

That would be a massive bomb

[violet island]

I was summoned

[serene fossil]

Fuck off promoter

[violet island]

[serene fossil]

[flint tusk]

jeez i'd want to have a year supply of popcorn if blizzard announced outlaw was changing to combat again

that channel would be going a million lines a second

[serene fossil]

That slow?

[slow needle]

Nah it wouldn't. Solo would 20min slow mode it.

[serene fossil]

We adhd crack bois

1mil lines per second PER MEMBER bro

[grim jay]

Would be the only situation in which I'd actually unmute it

[drifting cosmos]

never really paid attention to outlaw ch, guess i dodged a bullet

[spice spire]

It’s fine

People exaggerate heavily

[balmy condor]

(it's not an exaggeration, it's that bad)

[grim jay]

Yeah dont know about others, but we certainly dont exaggerate the slightest

[flint tusk]

Yeh sin is completely unplayable

going to reroll

[spice spire]

[brazen lantern]

[sonic schooner]

Outlaw is not that bad 😩

[grim jay]

[echo heath]

Blasphemy

[spice spire]

Assassination my beloved

[flint tusk]

oh yeh that's a outlaw trick when they don't get their way

[strange python]

I kind of hate how strong crafting is

[gaunt moat]

Unembellished it's lower ilvl than +20 vault reward
and it requires some work to get the materials required for upgrading
and it's also time gated

I think it's a good balance.

[upper breach]

Season 2 season of the spear let's goooo

[gaunt moat]

and gives you goals to work towards that aren't just random or hoping the raid leader gives you loot

[strange python]

I don't think running a full set of crafted gear being competitive with full mythic raid gear is good.

[flint tusk]

i mean don't you need to complete said mythic raid to get the mats for those crafted items

least that was my understanding of how they're doing the upgrades this time

[strange python]

Isn't it just keys?

[upper breach]

I should be able to get mythic equivalent gear from pvp

[strange python]

Definitely no

[flint tusk]

hell no

[uncut echo]

No you shouldn't???

[gaunt moat]

max upgrade ilvl is 441.
max mythic raid ilvl is 450.

[flint tusk]

and i pvp

[strange python]

Pretty sure max ilvl is 447 from crafted.

[uncut echo]

That's fine imho, gear is meaningless in wow

Let people who do content get upgrades

Idk

[flint tusk]

fully upgraded pvp gear pveilvl was 436 i believe 450 pvpilvl

[gaunt moat]

you're right, it's 447

[strange python]

Making the first half of a raid drop pure garbage feels terrible

But blizzard seems deadset on killing mythic raiding

[uncut echo]

Yeah, I agree there

[strange python]

Terrible loot, externals everywhere, what could go wrong

[uncut echo]

Man really said killing mythic raiding

Because stuff is lower ilvl

[upper breach]

Not everyone likes mythic raiding tho

[strange python]

Then they shouldn't get the best gear.

[uncut echo]

Cooked as fuck

Top mythic + should get equivilant gear.

[upper breach]

[open reef]

just a Question:
According to new Embellishments - We want to swap Lariant for Slimy Boots/Spore Colony Shoders til We hit tier4 from new raid (more Nature damage);
After that when We find new ring to reprace Eranog We remove Crowl for Another Emballishment Boots/Spore Colony ?
I'm right ?

[spice spire]

Top 0.1% of mythic plus gets captain insano gear

[spice spire]

More than likely, yeah.

If you check the sim on the pin

It’s annulet and a 450 ring

[open reef]

Do we want new gem that does nature damage ?

[spice spire]

In Annulet or is there a gem I’m not aware of?

If annulet, no

[flint tusk]

annulet stones don't change i believe still freezing ice/blood/twilight

[open reef]

well Storm Infused does Nature damage

so wondering if that would cooparete with 4p

[spice surge]

4p isnt up all the time, so really doubt it

[flint tusk]

hmm i honestly would be surprised if they unlink what nature damage means for assassination just for the tier set.

they'll probably end up changing it to 'poison damage'

but who knows

[spice spire]

It’s also hard to determine rn, since the implementation of tier rn is a bandaid for actual implementation iirc

[open reef]

just noticed that 4 set calls Nature damage, and We swap Embellishments for Nature damage ones so wondering if We should do same for Gem on Annulet

[spice surge]

The other rogue specs have damage increases on things that arent rogue related

[flint tusk]

yeh that's true i know sub's biggest bump from annulet was due to this

[spice surge]

So doubt its gonna change at all

[slow echo]

Does ass need double daggers?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vestal wren]

mutilate requires 2 daggers

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[spice spire]

GM

[grim jay]

Guten Morgen meine Zuckerschnute

I'm literally sitting here waiting for another 40 min so I can finally go home

People arent even dooming or cooking for entertainment purposes

[glossy galleon]

yo do we have a crit soft cap?

[amber niche]

can i have the #1 oxi simp role? :D

[balmy condor]

Not since wrath

[grim jay]

I expected something more aggressive

[balmy condor]

Lot word use lot effort

Question don’t deserve effort

Save word for better question

[grim jay]

Maybe its because you are getting old

Gotta save some energy

[gray crest]

no but you can have the #2 oxi simp role

[balmy condor]

[hallow token]

Late to this but wanted to say I read and appreciate Whispyr's aticle about Why You Should and Shouldn't Play an Assassination Rogue over on Wowhead. Thanks, Whispyr. https://www.wowhead.com/news/why-you-should-and-shouldnt-play-assassination-rogue-in-dragonflight-season-2-332589

[balmy condor]

No problem homie

[grim jay]

Getting closer to the 30 mark did hit me different aswell

[balmy condor]

I’m 23

[grim jay]

Yeah, going straight for the 30

[balmy condor]

True

[grim jay]

I'm 27 and been feeling it for years

[near valley]

As in born in 1923?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-realy-shock-gif-19927100

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

oxi!!!

[sweet dawn]

Whispyr's Why you should or should not play assa in 10.1 post lead to one of my favourite interactions in my guild discord

[minor gate]

I know that you drop eggnog’s ring when you get a 450 stat but

What if

Hypothetically

I have a normal ring

[spice spire]

You’ll use raidbots.com and determine if it’s an upgrade

[velvet vault]

That's quite sad for assa though 😢

[sweet dawn]

I'll still play assa

[uncut echo]

Not really.

It happens, you know

We don't have to be the best

The spec is still playable in largely all forms of content 99% of players will encounter.

[strange python]

Welcome to blizzard balancing. Nonsensical nonsense and warlocks are bis.

[uncut echo]

That's blatantly not true.

We're literally 5th best ST, 4th as soon as unh loses their tier.

That's still insane

[strange python]

Enjoy sub and outlaw with it 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[uncut echo]

Sin's going to be fine in raid

And you'll all cross the finish line with it

[storm belfry]

I’m ready to blast

[uncut echo]

Me too.

(Mortal strike)

[slow tulip]

hey, someone know when is the last time to get cutting edge? this week or nexty ?

[near valley]

Next

[velvet vault]

What about mm+ because that's the main thing that we do ? Raids are only a few times a week

[spice spire]

M+ uh

[slow tulip]

is there like a blue post about it or ?

[spice spire]

I’m sorry I’m advance

[uncut echo]

You'll be fine in m+.

To get your max rewards.

[spice spire]

(I’ll get 3k to prove a point)

[near valley]

It's release of next raid tier when it goes

[velvet vault]

Nop only 2 lines of survavibility nerf

[slow tulip]

kekw xD

[uncut echo]

Like

You'll struggle pugging

Bc of community perception

But you'll be fine

[spice spire]

Tbh

Any time I pug it’s totally fine

In the 22 range

Again, pushing? That’ll be a harder ask

But just chill keys

It’s about par for the course

[spice surge]

Just be zerocool, ez

[uncut echo]

No

Do not be him

[spice spire]

Slightlywarm

[uncut echo]

Asshole chronically online planking others keys

Do NOT be Zero

[spice surge]

He might be an asshole i have no idea, all i see is big score

[uncut echo]

Yeah, eleem

[spice spire]

Real

[uncut echo]

16+ hours a day, planking 15 keys to land one.

Not healthy.

[spice spire]

I’ve had an awkward interaction with him, but not necessarily unpleasant

[spice surge]

Fwiw thats most pushing

[spice spire]

So I can’t really speak on him

[uncut echo]

I mean Im aware

But it's egregious when half of the high end m+ community blacklists him

[spice surge]

Unluck (not luck based at all)

[uncut echo]

Lmfao

[burnt latch]

All interactions ive had with Zero are top

Seems like a lovely dude

[spice spire]

Same with you mister Warcieft

[burnt latch]

Messengers of love

U n me

[spice spire]

True bestie

[uncut echo]

Warcieft actually dischordant chaos

[storm belfry]

I thrive off strictly pugging and out dpsing meta classes

[uncut echo]

Arms type beat

[storm belfry]

Do you raid tonight

[uncut echo]

I don't

Planning a key group w/ quack

👀

[storm belfry]

👀

I will be around tonight

[uncut echo]

That's 3, maybe 4

[storm belfry]

I think my key is a 23 RLP

P ez time

[upper breach]

Relatable

[uncut echo]

I shred on arms

I just don't have the stops bc I'm in bladestorm 😭

[storm belfry]

[upper breach]

Throw down binding shot, tank doesn't move mobs to use it

[amber niche]

wtf

[deft flicker]

Use it yourself, combo with Explosive Shot

At least that’s what I usually do

[upper breach]

Explosive trap shares a node with intimidation though

But I do like running the trap when I'm with a destro lock

[deft flicker]

Nah, there was this other button that knocks back in a cone in front of you

The orange-ish one

[normal trout]

any good recent pvp guide for assa?

[deft flicker]

Folks in #pvp-faq and #pvp might have one

[viscid spear]

Launch FOrb, tank kites them away

[upper breach]

Bursting shot, think MM (ew) specific

[deft flicker]

Ah, big sad then

I thought it was class-wide

[uncut echo]

Frost

[grave osprey]

Assassination rogue S tier when?

[viscid spear]

We're in the Assassination channel, ironic

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Tier

[vestal wren]

haha ^^

[ebon notch]

[spice spire]

What do you mean friend?

[ebon notch]

nothing

[spice spire]

Daps, ur a blessing and I’m thankful you’re here

[glossy galleon]

Delayed response sorry, im simming stat weights with crit lower than mastery and haste rn, maybe my build is a little funky

[ebon notch]

if my own mother said this id do a double take

[ebon notch]

dont sim stat weights

[glossy galleon]

dOnT sIm StAt WeIgHtS, i dont use them for final decisions, they are just nice for quickly seeing if something is a huge upgrade.

[ebon notch]

you know whats better for seeing if something is a huge upgrade?

top gear

[storm belfry]

Stat weights are bait

[storm belfry]

True

[storm belfry]

Me to you

[uncut echo]

Wildly aggressive for someone who sims stat weights

[spice spire]

Memes aside. I’m glad you’re around. You’re a nice lad

[storm belfry]

[brazen zodiac]

quake!!!!!

[ebon notch]

uwu

[spice spire]

Hello

[brazen zodiac]

quake you have a very big brain!!!!!!

[spice spire]

You’re too nice

[brazen zodiac]

do u think u may be able to answer my ptr question o.o

[spice spire]

My brain is small

Maybe

Idk

[brazen zodiac]

i cant copy over my rogue but i was able to copy all of my other toons, i cant figure out why

ive been trying to since last night f

[spice spire]

UH.

How much gold do you have on your rogue?

[brazen zodiac]

i figured...

that would be the issue

uhh a few million

[spice spire]

It’s just like a server transfer

If you’re under cap

[brazen zodiac]

AP?

[spice spire]

It shouldn’t be

[brazen zodiac]

VSO?

[spice spire]

I’m on mobile man

[brazen zodiac]

oh

LOL

oh yeah i thought it mightve been because of cap, so i mailed my toon to get under the cap but

[spice spire]

Don’t ask me why csp goes VSO but it does

Hmm

[brazen zodiac]

i also read that its fine now to transfer servers with more than 1m gold but maybe i read it wrong

[spice spire]

Do you have mail in your mailbox?

[brazen zodiac]

i mean even some of my other toons have around 2m on them and they copied fine so qq

[spice spire]

(Including read work order stuff)

[brazen zodiac]

nope

ohh

uhh yeah i have bunchs from the artisans, ill try deleting them! but i think i also have tons on the other toons too, so haha

but shit ill try anything at this point lol

[spice spire]

Outside of that

Legitimately idk man

[brazen zodiac]

if this works

im giving u 100 dollars

i really thought itd work quake ngl

[storm belfry]

The things I’d do for that gold

[spice spire]

Inmem known area 52 grustler

[brazen zodiac]

just be super cute like whispyr and his guild

and ill give u all the gold u want

[near valley]

Maybe someone has taken over your char

[brazen zodiac]

nah ive just been spamming trade since week 1 crafting

nah i checked, the name isnt taken thats what i thought too

some people tip 100, some people tip 25000

its actually pretty tiring idk if im gonna do it much next tier. think im just gonna craft area52 guilds stuff and my own guilds stuff and just play maplestory or something

people dont like the crafting system at all and they take it out on the crafter, not very funzies >.<

[spice spire]

I try to be nice to my crafters

[uncut echo]

:3

[spice spire]

Something doesn’t proc? Eh try again, not their fault

[uncut echo]

Am I cute too

[brazen zodiac]

?

is that even a question

[uncut echo]

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-y-gif-9063769

[spice spire]

I need to know if the leaks are real, blissard

[ebon notch]

which leaks

[proven ferry]

Can you link the leaks ?

[brazen zodiac]

god damnit quake

[spice spire]

I will not

[wary ice]

leak the leaks

[haughty flicker]

someone leak the leaks

[spice spire]

I will not leak the leaks

[uncut echo]

No

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/flood-pipe-gif-20209978

leaking the leak

[spice spire]

Propagating it is bad

[brazen zodiac]

osrry not sorry

[haughty flicker]

LEAK THE LEAKS

[uncut echo]

Why even talk about them

[proven ferry]

Then the leaks are fake

[uncut echo]

Bad quake

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

[proven ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/leaking-water-leaking-flex-tape-fixing-leak-water-leak-fix-gif-12150979

[pure tide]

Leaks are fake news

[uncut echo]

Back to outlaw

[proven ferry]

lol

[haughty flicker]

the outlaw leak will continue until the leaks are leaked

[pure tide]

Slyv daggers are back, there I leaked it

[uncut echo]

Go back home

[brazen zodiac]

bro

[spice spire]

REAl

[brazen zodiac]

u werent supposed to tell anyone.

[spice spire]

Timewalking sod

[brazen zodiac]

what the fuck.

[spice spire]

This tier

Bang

[haughty flicker]

i'd reroll

[brazen zodiac]

now everyone knows

[pure tide]

Fated Slyv Timewalking

Enjoy the leak

[wary ice]

sylv daggers are back but they're only in the trading post at 1050

sponsored by ibuypowergaming

[brazen zodiac]

i bought a set from the trading post and i never got it :(

[uncut echo]

I have 1200 currency

[brazen zodiac]

ahri i thought the trading post was gonna be about crafting

[spice spire]

I have like 1800?

[brazen zodiac]

i thought they like finally added the ability to like set up ur own shop or something w/ signs and shit

nah just fkin cosmetics u cant even claim

[pure tide]

Trading post going to bring back Cache

Enjoy your axes and wands

[storm belfry]

There are leaks?

[gloomy knoll]

Please no not dagger roulette again

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[ebon notch]

the leak was from quakes ass

his fiance went too hard on him yesterday

[brazen zodiac]

O.O

[uncut echo]

I went too hard on him.

[brazen zodiac]

AHRI!

[uncut echo]

Mf Cannoli lookin ass

[spice spire]

My fiancé is 200 miles away buddy

?!

[uncut echo]

HAHAHAHA

[brazen zodiac]

O.o

ok

have fun assassination chat! :D

[uncut echo]

INMEM NO

[gloomy knoll]

[spice spire]

[rain oyster]

Anyone got the unphased cat in water coping image on hand? 👀

Found it hilarious

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/wet-cat-moist-gif-19212269

[rain oyster]

The orange cat one that’s floating!

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-berg-cat-orange-cat-swimming-gif-25177582

[rain oyster]

Hold on imma find it. Idk if it was in assass or outlaw. Time to deep dive

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/grenouille-frog-running-gif-5458463

[rain oyster]

Holy shit y’all send a lotta messages

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/buoyant-cat-buoyant-cat-cat-floating-cat-water-gif-26215453

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dog-swimming-pup-puppy-gif-16706636

[rain oyster]

Thank you!!! MVP

[pure tide]

Nice leaks

[winged kindle]

Np boss

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-faucet-gif-19650781

sin lapping up all the leaks ^

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/le-goob-fennec-fox-drink-water-animal-gif-25017098

@stark heart drinking all the leaks

[stark heart]

why am I pinged in accursed spec channels?

[grim jay]

I feel sorry that you got pinged in outlaw

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/avoiding-fennec-fast-gif-26563821

[oak tangle]

i want a fennec

[stark heart]

is this renamed outlaw then?

but then any spec channel is cursed

their mere existence is already a grave mistake

[royal lantern]

its possible to own them or foxes as pets, but they are still only slightly domesticated animals and, well, night active

[stark heart]

(sorry for off-topic)

[spice spire]

Brother this how I know you don’t pay attention

To spec channels

[royal lantern]

man, #outlaw keeps all those special people contained in 1 place

be happy it exist

[oak tangle]

foxes are considered a pest over here, so unless i open a zoo im not allowed

[stark heart]

why would I? I am not playing the game

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[spice spire]

True, but above you there was a thread of people posting cat pics

[stark heart]

what I would be doing here?

advocating for others to do the same? I am not some hell bent hater

[haughty flicker]

this is off topic channel

last night we were talking about emus and mountain lions

[pure tide]

I saw realz riding a mountain lion. They both ran off to the DH discord

[cerulean nest]

so according to the pin, gearwise (subject to change/sims I know) is:
-1st spark = main hand w/o embellishment
-2nd spark = boots or shoulder w/o patch, replacing lariat

is that right? just trying to wrap my head around it

[spice spire]

For now yes

[gusty mirage]

lorentz in the spec channels?

[cerulean nest]

and if I'm wanting to multi-spec, probably boots over shoulder

[spice spire]

I literally know nothing about outlaw and sub.
I know sub uses the shadowflame

Idk what outlaw would use

[gusty mirage]

kleenex for their tears

[spice spire]

True

[rain oyster]

Embellishment hell for us 3 spec rogues

F

[cerulean nest]

for real

[spice spire]

Tbf. The boots + shoulders combo is strong

[cerulean nest]

I love when investing in one spec actively harms my investment in another spec

[spice spire]

That’s simming best for us without the 4p interaction

[midnight mist]

we do booties

and most likely toxic patch

[cerulean nest]

yeah so booties for second spark is likely the best move if I want to be ready for all three specs

[spice spire]

Moreover, since 4p is global, it does interact with it, but those interactions aren’t reflected in the sims

[midnight mist]

wait why second

[cerulean nest]

main hand first no?

[midnight mist]

oh yea

[spice spire]

Weapon 1st

[haughty flicker]

imagine not farming underrot 100 times for your weapons

[near valley]

You looking to fight?

[spice spire]

Unless u luck out

[midnight mist]

idk outlwa will want to farm the underoot weapons

[haughty flicker]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-crystal-tissue-kleenex-tempo-stop-crying-gif-15048056

[spice spire]

#outlaw

[midnight mist]

migh get really cursed

how do you swap spec actually

early on

its kinda impossible right

[spice spire]

Honestly it’s gonna be hard

Boots

[near valley]

That's what she said

[cerulean nest]

i screwed myself investing in sin early on this patch, then had to backtrack everything to swap outlaw

[spice spire]

Is gonna be good for both sin and outlaw

[rain oyster]

I might be hanging up outlaw till 11.0… sub and assass dual spec to not be stuck in stat and embellishment hell

[gusty mirage]

why would you not just play sub?

[cerulean nest]

I played all three

[spice spire]

@midnight mist I assume early on you’re still doing ring + cowl?

[gusty mirage]

sub was undisputedly the best rogue spec

[cerulean nest]

sin at start, outlaw for the bulk, sub for the middle-end

[gusty mirage]

all tier

[midnight mist]

I think you do booties and keep cowl for a while yes

[near valley]

Everyone arrives at Outlaw in the end

[midnight mist]

until you can get your hand on the shadowflame enchants

[spice spire]

Its for us, until 450 ring and shoulders

[gusty mirage]

whatever crack you're smoking, I'd like some

[midnight mist]

and/or bomb trinket

[carmine cape]

yo is there a spreadsheet of what m+ boss abilities can be vanished/smelded?

[spice spire]

I’ve never played outlaw in a PvE encounter in my life

[midnight mist]

wtf

[near valley]

Don't you have PoE to go play

[cerulean nest]

it was a lot of fun for the middle of the raid

[gusty mirage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yFgc-OdQqPZZEbgDWDjq-VMw9MNDMvNZB0Bvs_WGA3o/htmlview#
thanks to @weak isle for actually finishing it

[gusty mirage]

press blade flurry more nerd

and go cry about fan the hammer procs

I HAVE TO PRESS SINISTER STRIKE BETWEEN PISTOL SHOT AND DISPATCH?

[carmine cape]

hats off to dynamicnigel

[spice spire]

Any kir enjoyers

[carmine cape]

and thank you oxi

[midnight mist]

*ambush

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

nerd

[gusty mirage]

sorry

didn't realize you specced into find weakness

fucking losers

[near valley]

[midnight mist]

have you heard of hidden opp

[gusty mirage]

just play fury warrior already

[midnight mist]

bozo

[gusty mirage]

and be useful to your raid groups

[near valley]

Only weakness I find is sin's AOE

[midnight mist]

[spice spire]

Mfs really playing fury warrior with extra steps

[junior aurora]

oh yeah the glaring weakness

[spice spire]

Stay capped homie

[spice spire]

[near valley]

Taking things too far dawg

[gusty mirage]

target capped to be the "top tier 5T cleave spec" does less 5T damage than sub

[midnight mist]

bro uncapped and still does 1/10 of outlaw aoe

[cerulean nest]

sin was absolutely broken on raid release, then outlaw overpowered for awhile, until sub settled on being top. at least thats how I perceived it lol

I followed that

[gusty mirage]

nice ST damage you got there champ

[spice spire]

That’s a damn lie

[gusty mirage]

dead ass carried by annulet

bozo ass spec

[spice spire]

Busting at 240k on treeboss room

[gusty mirage]

bro imagine getting 12% from annulet

and still doing less ST damage than assassination

[midnight mist]

?

[gusty mirage]

insane

[midnight mist]

outlaw best st spec

L

[near valley]

Sucks to suck tbh

[midnight mist]

stay mad

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[near valley]

Ratio'd

[midnight mist]

numbers dont lie

[gusty mirage]

you're right

they don't

[near valley]

Fake sources

[haughty flicker]

imagine turning against each other in times like these

[midnight mist]

clearly fake

[haughty flicker]

this is how the warlocks keep us down

[midnight mist]

but nice photoshop

[haughty flicker]

no united front

[gusty mirage]

yeah like your parses padded by grieftorch

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

nice damage profile btw

shit's flatter than my will to live

[midnight mist]

mad cause we get all the trinkets?

[spice spire]

What No rogue lines on a patch does to a mf

[gusty mirage]

you guys used whetstone in ST

[midnight mist]

imagine not having bte and gs

L

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Holy

[gusty mirage]

outlaw rogues mad that they're not even the better fury warrior anymore

THE FLOW OF OUR SPEC

I'M NOT CONSTANTLY ENERGY CAPPED I HAVE AN EMPTY GLOBAL

[near valley]

Exsanguinate still exists

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[near valley]

Mic drop

[pure tide]

Upgrade pistol shot to ar15 shot

[near valley]

Nuff said

Argument won

Ripbozo

[gusty mirage]

yeah burst damage scares you

makes sense

[midnight mist]

Yep your spec suck ass

#outlaw

[brazen zodiac]

my friend

[midnight mist]

here

[midnight mist]

I will teach you everything dw

[brazen zodiac]

everyone

sucks

apparently

[gusty mirage]

go back to baby sitting the kindergarteners zac

[midnight mist]

no thats clearly photoshoped

[gusty mirage]

you're not wanted here

[near valley]

I'll show you burst UwU

[brazen zodiac]

i figured

[midnight mist]

[near valley]

[brazen zodiac]

but who knows w/ blizz 💃

[gusty mirage]

fan this hammer buddy

[near valley]

Hating on zac cause he french

[gusty mirage]

no

[midnight mist]

yes

[gusty mirage]

I'm hating on zac irrelevant of nationality

[spice spire]

Hating on Zac because he was supposed to be the chosen one

[gusty mirage]

also way to not censor fr*nch

[oak tangle]

is sin's spec channel just a boxing ring for sub vs outlaw?

[spice spire]

And then played outlaw

[haughty flicker]

what sin channel, this is off-topic

[midnight mist]

I was the chosen one for outlaw yea

[cerulean nest]

I need direct advice/therapy from a fellow three-spec gamer on what to do lmao

[midnight mist]

wtf do you want me to play

sin ?

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

I literally told you

[gusty mirage]

fury warrior

[midnight mist]

spec outlaw

[gusty mirage]

you bring battle shout + rally

and you can spec arms when you want to do real ST damage

[midnight mist]

I bring atrophic

[near valley]

True

[gusty mirage]

ATR PHIC

[near valley]

Best raid buff

[cerulean nest]

warriors fat and ugly tho

[near valley]

Can't be underestimated

[gusty mirage]

bro remember in alpha/beta

when everyone was so jealous

[spice spire]

I saw the jailer kill

[gusty mirage]

that assassination had atrophic?

[fading ocean]

how come i only get 5 combo points instead of 7 when i pistol shot

[midnight mist]

[near valley]