assassination

[hardy dagger]

Assa was really fun that tier with 1min flag vendetta

[limber lion]

But that's not because it was a melee friendly raid

[thorn fjord]

Sin was fucking STONKS in SoD

[limber lion]

That was because melee was tuned so well

Most melees were doing really good in terms of performance

Whereas now it's just all ranges at the top and melees at the bottom

[thorn fjord]

Yeah WW was blasting too

[thorn fjord]

Laughs in UHDK

[cunning nest]

I think it was because it was melee friendly xD

Rare punishing mechanics for melees. You was just able to stack them

[limber lion]

More often than not it comes down to melee tuning than the raid design

[cunning nest]

That is not true xD

[limber lion]

Even if you didn't have a single melee mechanic in the raid, you wouldn't bring melees if they were tuned poorly

[near valley]

i dig the whole ST raid design tbf

[limber lion]

Oh okay.

[near valley]

means peeps can't pad shit

[limber lion]

Let's just take 10 melee that do 50k dps instead of 10 ranges that do 80k

[cunning nest]

Let's take the Real facts instead ^^

[shrewd night]

xD

[limber lion]

Anyways

[balmy condor]

[near valley]

ay lmao

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t know

[hardy dagger]

Melee is getting buffs right before raid release mark my words

[limber lion]

I need to figure out a game that I can play while I fight this cold for the next week

I have so many games in my steam library and none of them look interesting

[hardy dagger]

Half life 2

[thorn fjord]

Re4

[near valley]

well Jedi Survivor comes out in 3 days

[viscid spear]

Excited for your article

[thorn fjord]

Just started the first one so I can play survivor

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty rough

[near valley]

noice

[limber lion]

I'm not much of a FPS gamer honestly :(

[near valley]

hope Whispyr holds nothing back

[limber lion]

Never played any Mass Effect, Resident Evil, Bioshock etc.

[near valley]

just goes all in

[hardy dagger]

Maybe you have played it but Withcher 3 is fantastic

[gaunt moat]

check out aces and adventures
it's a deckbuilder roguelike RPG with poker-like battles

[near valley]

Mass Effect 1-2 is bis

you should give em a try

[shrewd night]

Have you heard of the new expansion to the award-winning title World of Warcraft, which introduces new ways of maneuvering around by flying on dragons. New challenging content releasing in the upcoming season, and multiple quality of life changes.

[near valley]

especially since they;ve been remastered

[limber lion]

Funny thing, I actually downloaded Witcher 3 again today but I had some ancient mods in the game files so the entire thing was corrupted and wouldn't work :D

[limber lion]

Say less.

[vestal wren]

10.1 dragon riding changes are nice tho

[thorn fjord]

It’s third person tho kappa

[near valley]

there were changes to DR?

thought they just added on long neck boi and that was it

[balmy condor]

There a new ability to use

No one’s gonna use it

But it exists

[shrewd night]

The preview vid from blizzard has been up for hours already, sheesh

[cunning nest]

I need more races 🏁

[royal lantern]

huh

what did i miss

[shrewd night]

Smh not checking it at once

[jaunty phoenix]

any reason other than atrophic for rogues in new raid?

[storm belfry]

Yeah I don’t even use the new flap that slows you down

[royal lantern]

the person playing the rogue is a good player, and you want good players in your raid

[near valley]

only thing i saw from that vid was the outlaw talent tree that popped up

that shit was funny

[shrewd night]

YES

I noticed that

[vestal wren]

the ground hovering is a big qol change

[cunning nest]

Will Whispyr give us an uplifting "WHY you should play an assassination rogue and why you shouldnt" section on wowhead? 🥹

[royal lantern]

then you click the link and it just says

"dont"

[shrewd night]

"Uplifting"

[near valley]

asking too much with that one

[cunning nest]

Pro's: They can respec to sub at any time.

[cursive frost]

Lol but is sub even going to be that strong in raid? Of course M+ it will be solid but idk about raid

[spice spire]

The actual reasons to are not SFW

[near valley]

pros: every other rogue spec is in the trenches with us

cons: nightstalker still doesn't work deadass

[cunning nest]

But let's be fair, execute dmg will always be a pro, right?

[shrewd night]

[near valley]

can't execute shit if you don't get picked

[royal lantern]

execute dmg doesnt matter if other specs do more dmg in all situations anyway

[near valley]

this ain't antorus fury warrior

[cunning nest]

You guys destroy my dreams on purpose

[near valley]

when 25% u jump to #1 in meters

[uncut echo]

35%

But yes, execute is big for prog.

[near valley]

thank you

[uncut echo]

Arms gets played

[shrewd night]

*tank

[uncut echo]

Shien 😭

[deft flicker]

Assuming the fight goes to that %

[near valley]

how many fights is that not the case?

[shrewd night]

Reevaluating if your therapist can get a third vacation home every second of the fight until that %

[deft flicker]

Good question

[hardy dagger]

[deft flicker]

Don’t remember any of the dungeons having that issue, if the raid is 100-0 all the way we’re fine

[cerulean nest]

just switched mechagnome

we outchea

[near valley]

[storm belfry]

1 message blocked

[hardy dagger]

Diaper lookin ass

[cerulean nest]

peak potential

[storm belfry]

disgusting abomination

[steel spire]

At least throw some butters on that gnome

[frosty cedar]

assa buffs today

[cerulean nest]

taking war stomp off my bar was catharsis

[gaunt moat]

I didn't play BfA
why did they make chicken gnomes

[thorn fjord]

lol

[cerulean nest]

follow me, brothers and sisters

it's the only way

[unborn geode]

Vulpera all the way mate. gnome has nothing on the furry

[spice spire]

Miss that

[thorn fjord]

A cat of taste i see

[viscid spear]

[thorn fjord]

I like the rogue one better but they both cute

[viscid spear]

I have a Fire set I'm going to use in a minute, waiting it log in

[thorn fjord]

My mage mog is actually sexy

Rogue one is boring SoD Mythic set because cow mogs are dumb

[viscid spear]

I have this one I'd been using for most of VotI, only just decided to switch out to the other

[cunning nest]

Sick use of the back

[viscid spear]

I love all the blade cloaks, they're so versatile

[cunning nest]

Yeah but often hard to Match the color so well

[thorn fjord]

Thats a cool looking sword

Bleh how do they keep having 2h maintenance windows

[viscid spear]

It's the Fire Mage Artifact, real nice shades

Shame the OH is a basic bitch orb

[silk lotus]

I recognize that name did you used to shitpost in vault general.

[viscid spear]

AYAYA

[silk lotus]

Oh god

[viscid spear]

I have never raided Vault in my life

[thorn fjord]

Chad gamer

[silk lotus]

Don’t gaslight me

[viscid spear]

I have never raided Vault ||on my Rogue||.

[thorn fjord]

There it is

[silk lotus]

[viscid spear]

I'm too busy watching Encino Man starring Academy Award winners Brendan Fraser and Ke Huy Quan.

[thorn fjord]

Quan was in Encino Man or am i dumb and this is a joke? lol

Ohhhhh

HE WAS

I member now

[tired night]

Damn on patchwerk 421 whetstone beats a 421 hunger of the pack, kinda surprised tbh

[elder phoenix]

You just took away all interest in my wanting to switch to mechagnome

[cerulean nest]

what the heck?

[viscid spear]

Be glad you haven't seen diapergnome then

[elder phoenix]

I think I'll be race changing to dwarf.

[spice spire]

With the upcoming hollow? Smart choice

[grim jay]

gotta be dwarf so the dps bar and the character have the same relative height/length

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

in 10.1

[royal lantern]

always show me

[cursive frost]

Do we know what embellishments are going to be go to for assa? Double shadow flame or will boots be good?

[spice surge]

Gotta stay cow to stomp on em gnolls 🐮

[spice spire]

If we did, they’d be in pins or FAQ. With so many things implemented last second, we very well may get our sims like the day before raid

[gusty mirage]

looking to be lariat + cowl again

fwiw

[cursive frost]

Ty

[spice surge]

It actually doesnt make much of a practical difference if you get the info today or 3 days before the raid

But ye it would be nice if we could get the info now

[burnt latch]

I need the sims as weapons against my officers

Or maybe they’ll use them as weapons against me

Dont release sims

[cunning nest]

Because theyll tell you to switch spec then? ^^

[burnt latch]

Yes

Or class

Probably class

[woeful meteor]

Rumors are saying Sparkcieft is ready

[burnt latch]

God damn sparkcieft

Latest rave is runecieft

Felcieft been getting dangerous amounts of action lately too

it aint lookin good

[gusty mirage]

what about bootycieft

[burnt latch]

Thats my boomkin he stays hidden

[gusty mirage]

fair

but it does allow me to ask you what that booty do?

[burnt latch]

This what it do

It be talkin

[gusty mirage]

we got the dub in court btw boys

https://tenor.com/view/bless-hands-hands-up-kpop-sunglasses-gif-14664908

[burnt latch]

Hoooly

[spice spire]

The rumors are wrong

[burnt latch]

Well done big man

[spice spire]

Lil bro cannot play enhance

[gusty mirage]

ur dad cannot play it either

esp after I visit him

[spice spire]

That’s true

[burnt latch]

Hooly

[gray crest]

Can't play if he can't walk to the computer

[spice surge]

Ah yes, a fellow your dad joke connoisseur

[burnt latch]

Guess who

[gusty mirage]

sheesh

what a stud

look at this 407 ilvl stud:

soulstones healers, puts down gates, and lockrocks

sign me up for liquid

[spice spire]

That’s a gamer

[burnt latch]

SHEEEESH

[flat kiln]

Is incarnate icon in top gear assuming others do or don't have it?

[spice spire]

Assuming they do

[gusty mirage]

there's a setting under advanced options

[burnt latch]

U can change it in the options

[gusty mirage]

that lets you sim who else has it

[flat kiln]

Gotcha, thanks

[gusty mirage]

worth running all of them in case they haven't been super common for you guys

[burnt latch]

I saw your msg oxi and just ran it down mid with mine cuz i was halfway through it and not going to waste those good letters i had typed out already

[gusty mirage]

you're hotter and the better player

so your answer wins

just sayin

[burnt latch]

Fuck yeah

[gusty mirage]

[flat kiln]

somehow still an upgrade if just me so I'm chilling

[burnt latch]

[royal lantern]

[lucid birch]

Is this Omni

[wind condor]

I think I’m going to go the entire tier without ever getting the eggnog ring…feels SO bad

[brazen zodiac]

oxi!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(

[thorn fjord]

I got mine the week before we downed raz 😬

[spice spire]

That’s toxic wtf

[lucid birch]

Yeah what about it

[spice spire]

Miss u(s)

That’s what about it

[lucid birch]

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

blizz broke crafting orders i cant craft new weapons for my monk :C

[royal lantern]

monks dont use weapons anyway

silly

[brazen zodiac]

...

oh my god

[spice spire]

[lucid birch]

Weird you responded differently in dms

[spice spire]

Apparently if you use all your materials it works, but if you use their materials it does not

[uncut echo]

That emote is fucking hilarious

[ember mural]

Bear emotes

[spice spire]

We’ve legit never dm’d

[gusty mirage]

don't submit the materials

[spice spire]

Also step rogue

[gusty mirage]

and it'll work just fine

[spice spire]

Man

[gusty mirage]

small indie company

crafting orders work

just not using the other character's materials

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage yeah?

[gusty mirage]

Ye it’s giga borked

[brazen zodiac]

if i use my own mats it works? i was able to craft my own item, it didnt display it properly but i saw it was in my inventory

oh my god

[gusty mirage]

Work around is you send the materials to your crafter

[brazen zodiac]

oh my god oh my god oh my god

$$$$$$$

[gusty mirage]

And submit just the primal chaos or whatever

[brazen zodiac]

brb

[gusty mirage]

Unless they just fixed it

[brazen zodiac]

idk i still cant do anything

ima test what u said

do u know if they needed the artisan mettle @gusty mirage

oh my god your right

[gusty mirage]

I wish I wasn’t

[brazen zodiac]

but it doesnt display

the informaip

i

im gonna have a storke

pelase

@gusty mirage lol it worked for like 3 crafts and now it doesnt work at all again 💃

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

Wouldnt shit like the slimy boots be good on assa since the tier set buffs them by 40%?

Cosmic includes nature, so the beacon from last boss should be good too as long as you can use it in that window (didnt seem to buff the beacon, it did buff my spiteful storm though)

[oak sky]

[pseudo hamlet]

You can sim it 😄

[unborn geode]

i saw only 1 drop out of all the raids i did... anyone who got it from my raid group got it out of vault

[chilly viper]

Did I understand correctly that we'll have to farm eranog ring again?

[peak bobcat]

Not if you already have it

Not until fated voti

[next turret]

HI, just making sure if i understand the faq correctly, i should be using amp and deadly poison and if i want to get some utlitiy for the grp i swap deadly for either atrophic or numbing poison?

[spice surge]

You can use two damage poisons and two non-damage poisons

[next turret]

i see, thanks!

[thorn fjord]

I was just able to send a work order no issue

But it was for the stone upgrade reg not an actual item

I dunno

[marble hemlock]

Keep in mind that you get extra damage for each active Bleed/Poison, and that includes non-lethal poisons, so you always wanna make sure you have 4 poisons applied to your weapons. 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

the best part is

its actually just embellished items, so lariat/cowls cant seem to be recrafted, or items w/ an embellishment 💃

[pulsar dirge]

casually learning you can also have crippling on in the end of the season

hold me..

[marble hemlock]

Well, it wont do anything on bosses since theyre immune to it

But for M+ or slowable mobs, youre missing out on dps that way, yeah 😄

[thorn fjord]

Not awful

[subtle tundra]

this might be the season i played the least ever

[thorn fjord]

Damn i had more than you

[raven merlin]

where r thiese things from?

[thorn fjord]

Raider io recap

[royal lantern]

thats 2x my total runs btw

sweatlords that think they dont play 24/7 are always amusing

[subtle tundra]

and those are mostly in the first 3 weeks

[royal lantern]

lets say a average m+ run is 30min?

can do 25 if you want

[subtle tundra]

yea

it wasnt

LOL

2hour azure vault

and shit like that

hehe

[royal lantern]

those 97 assa runs

are allready ~48hours of pure m+ gameplay

if we go with 30min runs

[subtle tundra]

over the span of how many months?

5 months?

[royal lantern]

not playing much btw

[subtle tundra]

thats not that much.

[royal lantern]

do you play any alts?

[steel ridge]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

you can literally see

in the pic

i have 3 m+ on my only alt

[thorn fjord]

my breakdown is boring @royal lantern

112 on OL and 31 sub

[normal olive]

imagine being so drunk you don't even remember you had a monk

[thorn fjord]

LOL

I dont remember running that blood key either

[royal lantern]

[thorn fjord]

Based

[normal olive]

I'm surprised i have 73 frost keys tho, didn't really play that

[thorn fjord]

Im such a fucking poser... i didnt run a single Sin key lol

[steel ridge]

i had 80 keys as restoration

how the fuck

[raven merlin]

the 210 assa keys

[normal olive]

yoooo survival enjoyer

[raven merlin]

assa and suvivalhunter, dis weird guy

[storm forum]

surv was the one spec I didn't party with once

[steel spire]

surv is 🐐

[haughty flicker]

apparently i have a dk lmao

[modest glen]

Where do you find this?

[vestal wren]

raider.io

[limber lion]

My io hasn't moved since feb 22

lul

[spice spire]

Warrior got left at the very beginning in the tier

Recently mine moved, before then it was like 2/14

[limber lion]

Stuck at 419 ilvl since feb 15

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

I love mythic+

:D

Anyways, back to dying

[storm belfry]

the main swap to rogue almost had it catch up to rdruid # of keys

[vestal wren]

nice

just combine all 3 rogue specs and you beat your druid

[burnt latch]

[storm belfry]

nah id be like 10 short lol

that is 1 singular OL key

[bold drum]

very proud of this one

[haughty flicker]

more than most

[storm belfry]

[bold drum]

[normal olive]

[gusty mirage]

its okay I still love you

[tacit otter]

im ashamed of how many outlaw keys i have, only doing 20 weeklies with outlaw this season

[bold drum]

this is the burden i have to live with

[upper breach]

[frosty cedar]

#wowheadnews

[sonic schooner]

i mean

sorry fellow assasinations

🥺

[royal lantern]

its ok

we still love and accept you

if you remove outlaw from that list next season

[sonic schooner]

ii ll remove outlaw and add combat instead

[royal lantern]

then i would probs play the sword spec more

or if they revert outlaw to its BfA/SL version

god, DF outlaw sucks.......

[limber lion]

wtf

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

a true chad

[sonic schooner]

DF outlaw indeed feels... weird to play. I still like it but i think dices dont have an enough iimportant impact and whatever we re only fishing for one dice wich is just terrible and sometiimes feelsbad

[storm belfry]

i absolutely hate HO playstyle idk

[timber kelp]

anyone have assassin sim numbers they can share? on raid ST i'm simming ~86k dps at ~418 IL

seems lower than i'd expect for a st spec

[storm belfry]

p sure sub is the ST spec now once the ring came out and shit

[timber kelp]

my assassin sims better ST

by about 2.5k

i might still just play sub on pure ST because i play sub in all other cases, so may as well be consistent

[storm belfry]

im simming for 87k at 419 ilvl

[gusty mirage]

who hurt you

to run 400+ keys this season

[sonic schooner]

i mean

only 400 keys?

[gusty mirage]

I ran 200

and I felt like that 200 too many

[gusty mirage]

disgusting

absolutely disgusting

[violet jackal]

It should be 500+ by season end, I don't leave my room much

[gusty mirage]

these dungeons

were so bad

and it's about tog et worse

[tacit otter]

so youre top 10 assa i assume?

[violet jackal]

top 50

[gusty mirage]

I was once top 50

then I started doing weekly +20 smbg

and logging off

[woeful meteor]

I heckin love sgb

[tacit otter]

i am top 50 and i havent pushed keys in months

you like those weeklies haha

[gusty mirage]

bonemaw on tyran week

[oak pivot]

I cant even get invited to that many grps

[gusty mirage]

literally 50% of the timer on the dungeon

I'll just shoot the requests I get your way dw

I got a "+24 hov?" message on saturday

I turned off my computer and went to bed

[sonic schooner]

i hate sbg

too much sbg and cos this season

[gusty mirage]

imagine smbg

but without bonemaw

[spice spire]

Utopia meme

[gusty mirage]

here comes the twist

they put hyrrja instead

[spice spire]

Nvm

Delete this rn nephew

[sonic schooner]

[gusty mirage]

https://youtu.be/IHEWfuAV1fg

u rn

[spice spire]

I did an HoV this week on fortified and mid storm, a DPS died and the healer goes “I should have not dps’d huh?

[gusty mirage]

I love 23 and above hov

[woeful meteor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702621025048854599/1065702526818729984/gromnakbubble.gif

[chilly viper]

Not even close

[gusty mirage]

vial + healthpot not enough to survive 1 storm

[spice spire]

Vial + pot + feint and we pray

[gusty mirage]

proc cheat anyway

don't even waste the global on feint

[spice spire]

Cheat is the third storm

[gusty mirage]

nah you hope it dies before third storm

[spice spire]

True

[spice spire]

I love cloaking it, and still almost dying because you snagged two extra ticks in at the end

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/lo-unicorn-shimmy-dance-ohio-gif-21779670

[spice spire]

Very pog champion boss

[cerulean walrus]

The Ohio Rogue

[gusty mirage]

p sure the storm is buffed by fort

because of the 2 dudes

real temple of sethralis vibes

[spice spire]

Wicked

Love it

[sonic schooner]

i just get sac and babysitted every single storm

[gusty mirage]

I just die

on purpose

then get up and get more coffee

[cerulean walrus]

EZ

[gusty mirage]

[sonic schooner]

☕

[gusty mirage]

similar vibes graveyard boss in nokhud

purposefully die

come back 3 minutes later

boss is dead

still time key

[cerulean walrus]

[harsh harbor]

the dice fishing is what makes it feel like hot ass

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[sonic schooner]

outass

[harsh harbor]

all ends for me today

got a 421 dagger out of the vault

[pulsar dirge]

why are sub/outlaw traitors posting here??? xD

[tacit otter]

dark times

[misty holly]

This channel is the most fun, and everyone knows it.

So they come here to hang out.

[oblique jackal]

How did you find this?

[cerulean walrus]

Magic

[oblique jackal]

aww

i wanna know

[cerulean nest]

annulet confirmed not being nerfed

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

blizzard moment

we nerf it if its getting used next Patch

NAAAAAHHH, we didnt think it was good enough, we wont nerf it

[stiff geyser]

when people say rogue is going to be bad....just how bad is that? like 5% behind? 10%

[gusty mirage]

Behind what

[stiff geyser]

top specs

[tacit otter]

surely they will nerf eranog ring

[gusty mirage]

if you compare all 3 rogue specs against uhdk or another spec those are going to be wildly different numbers. Pretty sure warlock is the only one near uhdk rn

Thank goodness they buffed uhdk

[balmy condor]

it's like 10-15% from what we saw on ptr

[burnt latch]

Havoc is currently around 15-20% behind warlock on the ptr. Rogue is a lot closer to havoc in its power level than warlock. Use that as u want

[gusty mirage]

Would’ve been tragic if they weren’t like 20k ahead of every other melee

[burnt latch]

Thats simdps so not fully comparable to live peformance

[burnt latch]

Uhdk isnt even overtuned rn

[peak bobcat]

[burnt latch]

Warlock SMOKES that class

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[stiff geyser]

so is lock going to get nerfed or is everyone else getting buffed

[peak bobcat]

I see no lies

[burnt latch]

Idk where people are getting uhdk is op from tbh

[peak bobcat]

He’s onto something boys

[burnt latch]

Like where are u seeing these numbers

[cursive dagger]

every ptr test the last month

[balmy condor]

????

[burnt latch]

Would very much like to see your logs on that

Cuz thats not the case

[balmy condor]

every ptr test the last month has shown unholy being very much not strong

[burnt latch]

This ^

[spice surge]

Unholy is strong on live, not on the ptr

[burnt latch]

Truth

Its good on ptr

But by no means broken

Its losing to pretty much every ranged class

[cursive dagger]

its certainly better than most melee which is what most are referring too

like its closest melee dps to warlock or other ranged

etc

[burnt latch]

Its not even the best melee

Wdym

[storm belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[cursive dagger]

which one is better

[spice surge]

R E T R I B U T I O N

[royal lantern]

best melee is ret

[runic hinge]

Wish you were behind me

What

[burnt latch]

Ret

[royal lantern]

by far

[burnt latch]

Yup

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Ret and its not even close

[royal lantern]

ptr rn is like

ranged>>ret>>>>>all other melee

[burnt latch]

Think people are just parroting an opinion they heard their favorite streamer or someone say

[balmy condor]

bro's talking about the 10.0 PTR or something

[burnt latch]

Without having tested at all for themselves

[frosty cedar]

warlock will surely be nerfed

[balmy condor]

stuck in eternal 2022 loop

[frosty cedar]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[frosty cedar]

don't spriests now have to hold PI for 3 mins and its damage positive

if they have warlock

[burnt latch]

That was an 8 minute sim thst u saw

[gusty mirage]

Didn’t they just buff holy priest

[burnt latch]

That sim thats going around is the funniest warlock propaganda

[gusty mirage]

Dw demo lock will be fine on PIs

[frosty cedar]

didnt see a sim, source: random hearsay

[burnt latch]

Its rooted from an 8 minute sim where spriest doesnt lose a cast ”conveniently”

Make it a fight lenght where holding pi would lose a pi cast and its not worrh it

[gusty mirage]

Ur just mad you’ll be forced to swap spriest and PI a warlock

[royal lantern]

dps brains dont know that healers exist mate, priest=shadow

not like as if priest is THE healer class

[frosty cedar]

healers dont exist lets be real now

[gusty mirage]

You tell that to prevoker pre nerf on rasz

Casual 30-40k hps above every other healer lmao

[burnt latch]

There was a warlock made sim that had a ”shadow friendly pi” that was using 2nd pi at 3 minutes on an 8 minute sim so they dont lose a cast and can call it ”shadow friendly” in the header

[gusty mirage]

Warlocks cooking their sims?

I cannot believe that

I’m shocked

[burnt latch]

[frosty cedar]

warlocks: if we dont make our sim cast tyrant untill 2 weeks in, we are safe

[peak bobcat]

Warlocks are professional sandbaggers

[gusty mirage]

Maybe they’ll figure out how to implement a working APL this expac

[royal lantern]

pi is a mandatory cd for shadow

[gusty mirage]

Fingers crossed

[royal lantern]

Shadow will Never hold pi for somone else

like, never

might aswell go afk

[burnt latch]

I know, but thats why people are asking if its worth for shadow to now hold PI for warlocks 3 minutes

[gusty mirage]

Y’all wanna hear something wild

[frosty cedar]

yes

[burnt latch]

Cuz tjeres some cooked sim going around

[gusty mirage]

Uhdk still uses a 421 puzzle box post nerf, until they hit mythic raid trinkets

[royal lantern]

when you have a shadow and they skilled twin suns, a random guy can enjoy a mediocre timed pi every 2min, and thats it

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Even with mythic raid trinkets

[frosty cedar]

[burnt latch]

Its bis

[gusty mirage]

Ya it’s like

Smol margin

At best

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Insanity bro

It’s bell but worse

[burnt latch]

Neltharion trinket + box is 1k dps ahead of next best thing

[tacit otter]

any appox. guess how much of a lose it will be for us on patch day?^^

[kind talon]

yeah but

[burnt latch]

Its like 1%

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage

[spice spire]

That mastery needs to cease

[burnt latch]

Its pretty far ahead

[kind talon]

demo lock didnt replace 372 trinkets till they got a 421 shadowgem

and those trinkets are in dungeon pool

next tier

and they have the best tier set in the game

[frosty cedar]

dont forget the trinket too

[gusty mirage]

Bro their tier is fucking disgusting

[frosty cedar]

the other one

[gusty mirage]

Like wtf

[kind talon]

and they have the best class trinket

[kind talon]

it literally doubles

[gusty mirage]

Listen

[kind talon]

gfg casts

its so gross

[spice surge]

Ye that class trinket is just so much better than the other ones

Its insane

[kind talon]

i watched a kalamazi video today

[gusty mirage]

I’m proud of these words no one can take that away from me :’333333

[kind talon]

and he goes

KAlAmAZI

[spice surge]

Ours is on average a stat stick

[kind talon]

WARLOCK IS A TIER, MAYYYYYBE S TIER

what the fuck?

warlock is z tier

???

[gusty mirage]

Bro fucking kalamazoo

[spice surge]

Theirs is not a random proc, and it gives more stats on average, and you can use it with your CDs

[kind talon]

kalamazi is kooked

[burnt latch]

Some funny numbers; havoc dh max profile 125k simdps in T30 gear. Demo warlock with PI in T30 gear does 168k simdps

[kind talon]

kalamazoo is unreal

[gusty mirage]

Wdym it’s fine

[kind talon]

destro is better tho

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

Clearly a skill issue tbh

[kind talon]

sorry

demo

[burnt latch]

Its not with PI

[gusty mirage]

Blackvneck tier

See ya nerds later

Gonna go ruin whatever the fuck the name of the warlock discord is called next

[spice spire]

I’ll be your Reddit guy for locks dw

[burnt latch]

Literally 25-30% differences in damage AND they dare send RWF people messages like ”can u explain what u mean with bad balance tuning”

[gusty mirage]

Blessed

[burnt latch]

[storm belfry]

aite brother i respect it

[frosty cedar]

our post is on wowhead brothers

[storm belfry]

I will read it over dinner

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Wake up babe Whispyr posted

[umbral rapids]

i'm dyiiiiiing

[royal lantern]

whisp did it

why you shouldnt play assa

pls just say "dont" when i click the link

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage i made a warlock

Decwaf

[shut owl]

oh shit, new wowhead post with assassination rogue in title just dropped

[digital sigil]

[spice spire]

[shut owl]

pro: is a rogue

[kind talon]

pro: doesnt die

con: doesnt do anything else

pro: does damage

con: that damage is less than any other spec

pro: has a cooldown

[normal olive]

pro: you can play the other 2 rogue specs

[kind talon]

pro: has aoe

con: the aoe sucks and the talents for aoe make your single target the worst in the game

pro: does more damage than prot warrior

con: only sometimes

[frosty cedar]

let him cook

[shut owl]

pro: kingsbane is a talent
con: kingsbane is a choice node

[burnt latch]

Pro: is one of the specs in the game

[kind talon]

pro: is a rogue spec

[spice spire]

I swear to god Herbert

[kind talon]

con: every rogue spec has shit design and the class tree is shit and the design philosophy of rogue is shit

thanks for coming to my tedx talk

[digital sigil]

pro: it'll be better next expansion

[kind talon]

mfers at blizz take a look at rogue and think

you know what this class needs?

7 combo points maximum

and overflow of resources

[spice spire]

Brubby you ain’t seen the Druid tree

[kind talon]

and they we can balance around that

instead of making it good baseline first

[spice spire]

If you think rogue class tree is bottom of the barrel (it’s bad)

[royal lantern]

see, thats the problem

we need the 10cp talent from legion again

[kind talon]

[frosty cedar]

as an assa rogue main, it brings me immeasurable joy that assa rogue is currently one of the specs

[royal lantern]

truly a spec

[kind talon]

as a destro lock main, it brings me immeasurable joy that assa rogue is currently one of the specs

[burnt latch]

Dont say the Lords name in vain! (Herbert)

[spice spire]

[burnt latch]

[eager solstice]

Does ptr candidate ship out this week or next week?

[burnt latch]

The patch was a release canditate last week already

[near valley]

you're a candidate for my release

[burnt latch]

[coarse summit]

Don't get this part, why do we care if it's overcapped, if we don't like using the ability?

[balmy condor]

we like using the ability

but we want to hold charges for new add spawns and such

you should dump all your charges at the end of a fight

[near valley]

who doesn't like sbs?

reveal yourselves

[frosty cedar]

I'd prefer flag

[west swallow]

anytime i see whispyr typing i start sweating like that key and peele skit

[tacit otter]

flag 9.0

[coarse summit]

on st where im not holding it for new spans/pack, why dump at the end of the fight vs just using it on cd?

also felt good to use on low energy, cus of the lower ocst

[balmy condor]

because it doesn't make a difference in your dps

[coarse summit]

ok, ty

[balmy condor]

if you use 2 charges as the final 2 gcds of a fight, or you use those charges on cooldown

you're still using 2 charges

[coarse summit]

yep, get what you mean now. thought there was a specific reason to use it at the end.

[tacit otter]

its just a way to play for every situation, if its st it works, if theres add spawn it works etc

[storm belfry]

are we still using the onyx ring in 10.1? like as long as eranog ring?

[woeful meteor]

yes

you drop onyx earlier, but still for the whole next tier or until nerfs

[coarse summit]

makes sense, forgot to think about it in other situations, since it's not used in keys.

[woeful meteor]

which arent coming until 10.1.5 or later

[storm belfry]

so i have my bis rings already

[oak sky]

I dont even have the fire ring yet 💀

Im rerolling but still i wont even have bis rings for rogue if we ever see changes

[burnt latch]

What u playing

Warlock?

[oak sky]

Worse

😈

Soy el pollero

[kind talon]

nah thats me

hes playing the pollo

[oak sky]

Our ranged core just got such a big upgrade

Tbh

[burnt latch]

Wish i knew how to play ranged

[kind talon]

los pollos hermanos

[oak sky]

Its easy just plan for movement

[burnt latch]

Id love a warlock tier

Experience the superiority

[oak sky]

I think its gonna be fun until they buff rogue

Then we fomo hard

[burnt latch]

Yeee thats my fear too

But oh well

[oak sky]

Sparkcieft?

[burnt latch]

Nah, its whateverlooksgoodonpatchdaycieft

[oak sky]

Ahhh

Ill be

[storm belfry]

Balance?

[oak sky]

Agreonroguelike

[storm belfry]

[kind talon]

?

bro just press ur buttons lil guy

[oak sky]

If i get to play feral once all season its worth

[burnt latch]

Feral is so good dude

I wish i could play clawcieft

[oak sky]

Ill be cooking

[burnt latch]

U dont understand that im bad at the game

[kind talon]

u dont understand that that doesnt exist

i am of firm belief

[oak sky]

If im lucky ill get one or two prog bosses on feral

[kind talon]

wow is not about skill its about effort and time

[oak sky]

Knowledge

[kind talon]

knowledge

motivation

[burnt latch]

Those r gonna be the best two bosses of your life

[kind talon]

protein powder

creatine

[burnt latch]

I dont have either to learn

Nor do i have skill

[oak sky]

At least until the rogue rework in 13.1

[burnt latch]

Its a wrap

[kind talon]

yeah but skill is like the least impactful part of the equation

that makes a good player

[oak sky]

Least talented korruptio player

[burnt latch]

Well i dont have time, interest or commitment to learn ranged

[kind talon]

bro learning ranged is not

a thing

[burnt latch]

So ill stick to my comfy braindead specs

[kind talon]

u dont "learn ranged"

ranged is just melee

but you are 40 yards away from the boss

and sit still

and then move

[oak sky]

You just move during your instant casts

[kind talon]

when a swirly appears

[spice surge]

I mean, optimizing your casts is different than optimizing uptime for melee

[storm belfry]

It can be a learning curve

[oak sky]

Like unironically

[burnt latch]

Nah man its down bad when rangedcieft enters, i move too much

[spice surge]

Thats clearly a different skill to master

[storm belfry]

But on most bosses it’s no big change

Only on some will it really affect you

[burnt latch]

Im just bad at it and cba getting better so im a melee main

[oak sky]

Melee and range are both primarily about movement tbh

[kind talon]

but optimizing melee uptime is like 10x more fun

[storm belfry]

But that’s when you just go demo

[kind talon]

frankly

[oak sky]

How greedy can yoy play

[kind talon]

thats only if you can do the rotation baseline

[spice surge]

But playing BM hunter or frost mage then ye youre just playing melee but at range which makes it a lot easier

[oak sky]

Knowledge check

[spice surge]

I 10000% agree with you, but clearly not everybody does

[storm belfry]

Yeah those are basically melee

You never cast

[kind talon]

nah ranged players are just

[spice surge]

Tbf the milf spec for mage actually cast a lot

[kind talon]

a different breed

like its actually insane

[storm belfry]

Yeah I mean frost does cast

But bm legit doesn’t

[kind talon]

its just a completely different game

frost casts and has to stand on rop

bm has no rules

no laws

[spice surge]

Milf frost actually casts a substantial amount since you skip on ice lances to just cast extra frostbolts

[normal olive]

milf mage casts quiet a lot compared to the frost before lmao

ey

[spice surge]

But ye bm is just payphoning at range

[normal olive]

thats what i wanted to say

[storm belfry]

Yeah been playing one for a few days and I see it’s just ranged melee

[kind talon]

id argue chicken and bm

are the most

movement friendly

[storm belfry]

Bm surpasses chicken so much

[kind talon]

wym

[storm belfry]

I’d say frost mage is even more movement friendly

[spice surge]

We meme a lot about destro being unga bunga spec, but they have very little options for movement

[oak sky]

Chicken has to cast but if you plan like a shred its really easy

[kind talon]

thats not true

lol

destro has options

shadow priest has none

[storm belfry]

Destro loses so much

[spice surge]

So while their dummy dps is incredibly easy its not as easy during actual fights

[storm belfry]

From moving at all

[kind talon]

yes

but so does shadow

[spice surge]

Assuming you actually move and not tp yes

[kind talon]

10.1

[storm belfry]

Their options are ass

[spice surge]

Shadow has a bit more instants, but ye both are ass

[storm belfry]

But shadow has dots

And more instants

[spice surge]

Shadow is also harder than destro just standing on the dummy

[kind talon]

shadow only instant cast is dev plague

[storm belfry]

The instant on destro does fuck all

[kind talon]

in 10.1

[storm belfry]

Either way they have multiple dots

[versed mica]

Am I allowed to @ realz with an essay? I'm starting to get frustrated lmao

[storm belfry]

Doing damage

[kind talon]

no

lol

[oak sky]

Well i mean yes

[kind talon]

dont at him

[oak sky]

But theres no point

Blizz has heard all our feedback

[kind talon]

like do you have a job

in real life

[drifting cosmos]

you’re being so nice in wowhead article. @balmy condor

[versed mica]

I do actually lmao. A full-time job

[kind talon]

realz has a job in real life too

[burnt latch]

If its bashing or disrespectful ull probably get timed out

[storm belfry]

Who is realz

[oak sky]

Was the primary rogue and dh dev in beta

[kind talon]

and its pointless to just @ him in a discord

perma

[spice surge]

No offence but i doubt you'd provide any new feedback they havent heard before from the theorycrafters and regulars here

[kind talon]

when he probably gets

perma dms

as well

from haters

[versed mica]

It wouldn't be disrespectful or anything like that just constructve criticism

[kind talon]

i imagine its exhausting for him

[oak sky]

Hes heard it all bro

[spice surge]

So it would mostly be taken as "complaint about rogue number #392, cba reading"

[burnt latch]

They do that in DH discord and he actually responds quite often but he likes that discord more than ours cuz they behave better

[kind talon]

hes probably gotten it 1235 times already

[oak sky]

Ironic

[storm belfry]

That’s wild to hear

[kind talon]

ironic

[versed mica]

The DH discord behaves better? Cap lmao

[storm belfry]

Last time I was in DH discord it was a shit show

I left it

[oak sky]

Nothing can be worse than here when it comes to talking to a dev

[storm belfry]

It’s terrible. It’s like a 12 year olds chat room

[runic hinge]

We are 5 days since the last slow mode

[burnt latch]

Ikr, RH being more hostile to devs than dh discord is crazy, time for self reflection boys

[runic hinge]

We are behaving so well

[spice surge]

One time realz was here and said something people didnt like there was multiple bans going out for people DMing and @ing him with very bad words

[kind talon]

ive never been hostile to realz

[spice surge]

Since then he hasnt appeared much

[versed mica]

Whenever I've seen him talking here it's been way more respectful than in the DH discord imo

[oak sky]

Theres waaaaaayyyyy too much negativity here

[kind talon]

because every dumbass person

gets banned

muted

message deleted

jannyed

[oak sky]

I mean

[storm belfry]

???

[oak sky]

He probably reads people perma dooming

[balmy condor]

I thought it was pretty rough

[storm belfry]

Like that doesn’t happen here

[oak sky]

People are perma dooming

[kind talon]

yes it does

u just dont see it

[oak sky]

And saying negative things about devs

Like its constant lol

[kind talon]

there are multiple rogue communities

[storm belfry]

I mean the deletes and bans

[burnt latch]

It absolutely does, and did especially when realz was discussing stuff, some people were being giga cringe towards him

[versed mica]

People have the right to doom when there's been two patches where rogue has basically been forgotten

[balmy condor]

also don't ping him I'll wreck your shit

[versed mica]

Okay ty lol

[storm belfry]

Weird

[oak sky]

Theres literally no reason to ping rn

Theres nothing new to say

[storm belfry]

I imagine the others may be like the general hospital discord

[oak sky]

Like what are we gonna do complain about the tier sets more?

Lol

[kind talon]

no i mean

theres ravenholdt

and then theres communities centered around certain m+ and other rogue players

which also lurk here

[storm belfry]

Yeah so like the general hospital of rogue discord

GH is a terrible fragile ego healer discord

[kind talon]

and certain people in wow community

make call to actions

to their followers

to brigade

[runic hinge]

Realz will just read whispyrs wowhead article and then fix rogue

[spice spire]

Kind of

[kind talon]

certain other people

like realz

and foreverguy

[burnt latch]

Tbh Realz’ decision to not discuss here has been a great one, if he popped in here during the peak doomer season, he would have gotten some absolute peak cringer messages

[kind talon]

and others

[storm belfry]

Yes. This is like general hospital discord. I get it

They do the same shit

[kind talon]

i dont know

what the fuck that is

[storm belfry]

To healer discords/devs

[oak sky]

Like hes definitely heard all the takes

[storm belfry]

It’s what I just said above

[tacit otter]

"make fok like sub"

[spice spire]

General hospital is a good meme of a place

[storm belfry]

Fragile ego healer community discord

[kind talon]

ah yeah i see

[storm belfry]

Who plan attacks on healer discords

[kind talon]

but yeah basically if their members were rogues and just lurked here

yeah

[storm belfry]

Place is dumb

[spice spire]

Very similar

[kind talon]

its happened quite a few times

during my time here

to different people

[spice spire]

There’s also apparently another splinter that died

[kind talon]

im sure it happened to realz

[storm belfry]

Really

[burnt latch]

Oh yeah he for sure knows what the community wants. If he can/wants/will change those things wont change whether he talks in here or gets pinged by ppl

[kind talon]

and thats racism and personal attacks on TOP of having to deal with skip

id hate being a rogue dev

[storm belfry]

Being a dev*

I’m sure they all get their fair share of bullshit

[spice spire]

Skip actually wasn’t that bad

[haughty flicker]

yeah but imagine being forced to interact with both rogues and dh

[spice spire]

I gave him a lot of flak but anything I thought was him

[haughty flicker]

what a combo

[spice spire]

He just happened to be there

[storm belfry]

There is worse

Could be dealing w priests

[spice spire]

Skip v scarizard was wild times tho

[kind talon]

i was joking

[burnt latch]

Whats the lore

[kind talon]

i love skip

what do you mean was

is he gone

[burnt latch]

Skip v scarizard

[kind talon]

scarizard absolutely owned skip

[spice spire]

Mf dm’d him during 9.2 shenanigans

[storm belfry]

Man idk this stuff

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[near valley]

have some vague remembrance of skip v scar

[gusty mirage]

the DH discord behaves better?

[spice spire]

Yes

Actually

It’s depressing