assassination

[grim jay]

so you will 100% use that over puzzle even if equal sims

and vial is easier to acquire, close, lower cd and better to use

especially for pre-release tuning its pretty fine

cant nerf everything into the ground before you actually got a chance to acquire other gear

[empty hinge]

It’s ok I’ll take a Power Nap now and when I wake up I’ll check up ptr and I’ll see the biggest assassination buffs

[storm belfry]

True

[cobalt hemlock]

thats the biggest cope i heard today

[marble hemlock]

its called hibernating, not napping

[flint tusk]

Hibernating?

Gonna need cryostasis for how long we’re gonna have to wait 😅

[cobalt hemlock]

carefull not to evolve into some otherwordly creature

[cunning nest]

I think it's Bad for assa dps for now, but Im still happy if we dont have to use puzzle.. Opener is long enough

[dark token]

Assa without exang or puzzlebox is the holy land

[rare jackal]

allah is smiling upon us

[viscid spear]

Pity is not always a good thing.

[rare jackal]

pity is the best assa can hope for at this point

[uncut echo]

Not even true

The spec will be fine

[storm belfry]

True

[shrewd night]

They hated her, for she spoke the truth

[deft flicker]

Channeling PMA

We’ll be fine

[velvet vault]

what is gonna be the best mm+ trinket ?

in 10.1

[uncut echo]

I can only hold the door for so long

[shrewd night]

HODOR

[uncut echo]

I'M TRYING SHIEN

I mean HODOR

[uncut echo]

We don't know yet

[soft shale]

gnoll signal flare and irideus show promise

[velvet vault]

The ice glob trinket sucks dicks if u wanna know, use correctly it does not much damage on a +19 fortified

1.4% of overall damage use on cd with good procs

[eager solstice]

How about raid trinkets?

[dark token]

big

[deep arch]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[strange python]

That's not why.

[uncut echo]

Wym? Everyone loves me 🥰

[storm belfry]

Warr rogue keys when @uncut echo

[uncut echo]

Didn't you hear, you're supposed to hate me

Also I'm stuck in Missouri until Monday night

Def next week 🥰

[storm belfry]

Missouri

[uncut echo]

Ye I'm super happy lmao

Someone asked me if I was bringing my rifle to assassinate the governor

[viscid spear]

Calm down, Mr. Wick.

[uncut echo]

Mrs. Wick

[viscid spear]

No, she died. Have you even seen the movies?

[uncut echo]

No

Not a fan

:[

[viscid spear]

Theon Greyjoy kills Neo's dog and steals his car

[uncut echo]

Knape kills Bumblebore

[deft flicker]

Is that a Transformers R34 reference??

[uncut echo]

I'd fuck Bumblebee fr

[viscid spear]

The Titanic hits the Death Star and Citizen Kane falls off a bridge while crossing the River of Discontent

[shrewd night]

Must be weird being you thinking you have to say shit like this.

[stuck knoll]

Also possibly the most ironic statement uttered in this discord

[shrewd night]

Dont leave me hanging

[stuck knoll]

[storm belfry]

[shrewd night]

[royal lantern]

[uncut echo]

See?

🥰

[burnt star]

are we running the same exact build in 10.1?

(s.t wise)

[uncut echo]

As it stands, yes

Potential of dropping exsang

Due to lack of PB

[burnt star]

and what was the concensus for trinket?

[uncut echo]

But final tuning is and L

[burnt star]

ya ya i know just testing on ptr

some stuff

[uncut echo]

Idk if a consensus was reached yet

[burnt star]

might be the wrong choice of word

what was the "popular feel " trinket

[uncut echo]

As in we don't know if a 421 box is gonna outweigh others

Ahh

Iridius goes hard as fuck with exsang rn

[royal lantern]

[silk bane]

y u do dis to me

now im sadge

and conflicted

[royal lantern]

[uncut echo]

I mean

I said the word potential

[spice spire]

Irideus fragment my beloved (it doesn’t channel)

[uncut echo]

True and real bestie gm

[burnt star]

ya macroing this to exsang feels good too

[uncut echo]

You ideally macro it to dm

As you want the increased agi

On the dm'd dots

Not the global before

Small min/max

But due to the agi being frontloaded it's a bit bigger

[spice spire]

dn*

[fading wigeon]

Not having to worry about channel makes me so happy

[storm belfry]

I wasn’t gonna say anything but that’s how I read it the first time

[spice spire]

We do a fair amount of grifting

[simple violet]

Any tips or tricks to make assassin rotation easier? Like for Sub you can macro cold blood with secret techinque for example

[viscid spear]

You spelled 'griefing' wrong

[uncut echo]

Not really. The rotation is fairly simple.

[echo heath]

I remember irideus being really good before mythic plus, not surprised it's going to be good scaled up

[viscid spear]

I know Fire Mages are going to be chugging through Uld for the Talon

Or was it Arcane?

[uncut echo]

It was arcane

Matched their cd profile perfectly

[oak tangle]

i went to stormwind today

[deft flicker]

Generic_medieval_fantasy_city_3.jpeg

[dark token]

Goated

What kinda warlock dev thinks melee players want channel trinkets

Only if it's like a 10 minute CD, channel for 20 sec before pull trinket

Would I enjoy them

[fading wigeon]

Just for discussion. What if DM had cdr? Would it be a bad thing. I really enjoyed the cdr on vendetta back in s3 SL.

[dark token]

I mean 1 minute sin always feels good

But I doubt that happens

Dm is too strong of an effect now

What if arterial precision instead said

Dm applies aoe on up to 8 targets

[strange python]

It was largely unpopular.

[fading wigeon]

Really?

[dark token]

Nah people just didn't like all the energy

[deft flicker]

What if there are more targets??

[dark token]

1 minute sin in legion was sicko

[strange python]

At least the way it was implemented.

Tying it to energy used made it feels awful to have any downtime.

[simple violet]

can you explain how its simple? how do you maintain and monitor rupture, crimson tempest and garotte dots on multiple targets while still tracking IC, echoing, death mark and Exsanguinate

[fading wigeon]

Get a weakaura

[uncut echo]

Ye p much.

[strange python]

Invest in a good plater profile.

[uncut echo]

A weakaura package does wonders.

[fading wigeon]

And plater

[strange python]

WAs won't help you track multiple targets well. Plater will.

And sounds like you're asking about m+/aoe

[deft flicker]

WAs help in tracking stuff on you. Plater helps in tracking stuff on your targets. Two great tastes that taste great together

[uncut echo]

Plater won't track all the things they're looking for within eyeshot.

[fading wigeon]

I think OP was asking if there was a way to simplify are rotation using macros etc. But there isnt

[uncut echo]

WAs will, and are better in ST.

[fading wigeon]

Sin is easy on st. But gets hectic in AOE

[uncut echo]

Which if they're asking for help rotationally, ST is what you should learn first.

[fading wigeon]

But you need combination of wa and plater for aoe

[simple violet]

If you need specific WA and plater to be successful, perhaps there is something wrong with the class

[tacit otter]

i mean nowaydays with IC, its rare you have to track anything. just press IC spam CT till stuff dies

[simple violet]

spam CT?

[spare dome]

crimson tempest

[simple violet]

isnt crimson a dot? Wouldnt it be better to CT, then spam envenom for PBs in between?

[tacit otter]

its net neutral, you can do either. difference is minimal

[uncut echo]

No?

[junior aurora]

just do envenoms every once and a while to keep snd active

[tacit otter]

maintain ct, spam envenom. OR spam ct, maintain envenom

[simple violet]

thats good to know, thanks

[storm belfry]

My thing is I envenom spam if pack is standing still. If the tank is moving a lot w the pack I ct spam

[echo heath]

Nothing worse than a tank moving the pack out of your precious precious poison bomb

[royal lantern]

poison bomb doesnt really do big dmg, so w/e lol

[versed mica]

be careful, the night elf rpers on twitter might cancel you

[royal lantern]

the most unhinged type of wow players in the world lol

like, they literally act as if a real hatecrime was committed against them lol

[versed mica]

and thats not even an overexaggeration lmao

they actually think blizzard hates them as people

[royal lantern]

WHY IS THE NEW TREE NOT IN A LOCATION I WANT????? GOD, NIGHT ELVES NEVER GET SOMETHING GOOD

meanwhile gnome/goblin/worgen/tauren/trolls/dwarfs/draenei exist and never get any story about them

[versed mica]

"but that is whataboutismmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

[royal lantern]

they are literally the fat kid from harry potter

ONLY 28CUTSCENES AND 7QUESTLINES ABOUT NIGHT ELVES THIS PATCH???? LAST PATCH IT WAS 29CUTSCENES!!!!!!!!

[versed mica]

LMFAOO

[royal lantern]

we had a ingame cutscene and major story questline about night elves in every single content patch in the last 8 years btw

[deft flicker]

We don’t need that leaf lover bs, we have a goddamn beer festival and an entire addon with Magni as a key figue

No nelf shamans/paladins btw

[versed mica]

meanwhile Moira's baby who is the heir to the throne of Ironforge is still a literal infant

[deft flicker]

Let him cook

[versed mica]

LMAO

[deft flicker]

The more whiny tree huggers are - the more calm it is in Ironforge, so that’s a win-win for me

[versed mica]

I miss Ironforge being a major hub

[deft flicker]

Idk, makes the city more chill, we have generic_medieval_city_3 for being a hub and it’s just one train ride away

[royal lantern]

nah, i like valdraken

open dragon city with good layout

[deft flicker]

Valdrakken is nice

[versed mica]

Have you guys seen what Ironforge looked like for awhile in alpha vanilla wow?

[deft flicker]

I quite liked Boralus as well

[versed mica]

it was bigger, I'm sad it didn't make it live

[deft flicker]

The whole second floor thing?? Yeah, that was lit

[umbral wadi]

hi i want to main rogue for 10.1 what is the best spec for 10.1 ty

[royal lantern]

assa is the best in our hearths

balance wise?

nobody knows

ask 1-2 weeks after raid release

[deft flicker]

As it stands right now - outlaw. But stuff can (and most likely will) still change, so check back in like 3-4 weeks to know for sure

Try all three specs in the meantime, I don’t think any of them get significant rotation changes

[tacit otter]

any chance you can link me the source of outlaw being best?:)

[grim jay]

spoiler: no

[versed mica]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[deft flicker]

#outlaw message

[grim jay]

that's a "think" by an outlaw main

[storm belfry]

Isn’t outlaw down tremendous atm and probs the worst looking on ptr

[versed mica]

guy is a guide writer so his opinion prolly holds a little more weight

[grim jay]

its still a think

no matter who he is

[versed mica]

an educated think

[tacit otter]

its probably not difficult being better than sub and sin lol

[grim jay]

yeah as educated as having nearly nothing reliable to base it on can be

[storm belfry]

[deft flicker]

So raid testing is a joke

[tacit otter]

i was hoping for some proof, but ye thanks anyways

[versed mica]

he's been testing on ptr lmao

[grim jay]

so? even looking at all the 10.1 ptr raid logs isnt really anything reliable to guess on and thats more testing than any single person could do

[deft flicker]

Nothing is set in stone for now, PTR is PTR, thinks from clever blorbos is all we have rn

[tacit otter]

i know nothing is implemented, but im not following other specs at the moment so was just wondering if anythings has changed

still thanks tho:)

[deft flicker]

[uncut echo]

Convert bless up

[oak sky]

Rerollers

[uncut echo]

Guild asked me to swap king

Sadge :c

I'd still play it if double rogue was good for prog

[oak sky]

We went back and forth on what i go but like melee is just bad

So im probably ranged

Also we have 3 rogue players now and its like

You can barely justify going 1

Just because of melee availability more than rogue being total ass

[spice spire]

gonna change that name back smdh

[uncut echo]

Don't. My name is so pretty. :c

Yeah, right?

We wanted a second rally

[oak sky]

:3c

Just have a 4th warlock

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

@uncut echo

[echo heath]

I'm going sin on mythic prog till I get benched or replaced

Then I'm gonna go back to path of exile

[uncut echo]

:c

[frigid kestrel]

Surely rogue changes were saved for this upcoming reset

That has to be it

Saving the best for last……. Minute

[uncut echo]

At this rate we're likely getting adjusted after first or second heroic and early mythic.

[gusty mirage]

based as fuck

[dark token]

Bench on heroic week inc in 3... 2... 1...

[echo heath]

If I ever get benched on heroic then I'll just stop playing video games

[uncut echo]

Imagine getting benched in heroic week

This is why y'all don't sound sane

[drifting cloud]

if you believe in yourself anything can happen

[misty holly]

Do we have any idea yet what embellishments will be used in 10.1? Looking ahead to Diurna's Chosen being replaced is it likely Flaring Cowl gets replaced with something else?

[royal lantern]

"tier list said you are F tier, sorry honey, no heroic kills for you"

[misty holly]

Everyone play like shit during heroic week. The worse we do the bigger the buffs.

[simple violet]

I heard you want to double up on the shadowflame embellishment and you’ll replace the cowl and lariat

[misty holly]

Is that a new one?

Oh looks like the pattern is a raid drop too, ugh.

Hope it's not too rare.

[tacit otter]

where did you hear that?

[misty holly]

Playing on a low pop server sometimes this stuff just isn't even available to me for a while.

[tacit otter]

its an enchantment for weapons afaik. not an embellishemt. maybe im wrong tho

[misty holly]

There is an armor patch too.

I just looking it up on wowhead

recipe drops from neltharion

[tacit otter]

ah i see, think theres just multiple things called shadowflame

[odd dew]

Why do they make the dagger from the last raid boss have Vers as the biggest secondary stat 😦

[misty holly]

It's really not that bad, with crafted gear and gems you can optimize stats pretty well.

[tacit otter]

wasnt it the same with sylvanas dagger?

[misty holly]

Having absolutely every piece of gear with the same secondary is probably not going to be ideal, need some variety

[spice spire]

Sylvanas dagger had no secondaries

[tacit otter]

then i have no clue what exactly im recalling

[spice spire]

CN dagger has vers iirc

[simple violet]

From the sub forum

[woeful meteor]

rygelon dagger had vers

same this tier

[tacit otter]

wasnt it something like "if you have enough sockets its lariat + shadowflame"

[tacit otter]

something instantly popped in my head, but i cant recall. probably CN

but w/e

[gusty mirage]

You guys got dagger tokens in CN?

[tacit otter]

didnt raid mythic in CN. started with wow at SL launch

[gusty mirage]

I don’t think I saw one of those tokens on any difficulty

Still daggerless btw @gray crest

[gray crest]

Dont forget the rygelon daggers dropping on the last raid of the season

[gusty mirage]

[gray crest]

youll get them this upcoming week dont worry

just like my ring

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

Me and you rn

[tacit otter]

i only remember CN vividly, gathered many impressions as it was my first raid^^

[gusty mirage]

CN was cool

[spice spire]

Yeah heroic

[gusty mirage]

Sire was a great boss, it was also my first ever tier stepping into mythic seriously

Guild died on council

[tacit otter]

after getting more comfortable with wow in general i wish to re-experience CN again.

[gusty mirage]

I do too tbh

[spice spire]

CN was the good sl raid

Man

[gusty mirage]

I didn’t mind SoD

[spice spire]

Sod was fine

It just lasted

Way too long

[gusty mirage]

Minus KT and Fatescribe

Esp KT

Fuck that boss

[spice spire]

For the third tier in a row

[gusty mirage]

Seppy ruined me mentally

Anduin specifically

[earnest remnant]

seppy is my fav raid

[gusty mirage]

You’re my fav rogue

[spice spire]

Ur a literal demon

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Duality of man ig

[earnest remnant]

might have something to do

with i cared alot about optimizing those bosses

[gusty mirage]

Halondrus was an 11 out of 10 boss

[tacit otter]

i joined late and got to halondrus but gladly skipped the rest

[earnest remnant]

i went demon mode on Anduin

for our speed strat

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Rygelon was insanely cool on mythic too

Lord of dread and anduin can go away forever

[spice spire]

Bro I missed like

[gusty mirage]

And lod was only bad because it required a weakaura

[oak sky]

basedd

[spice spire]

2 months of raid and my guild didn’t prog a boss

[gusty mirage]

Outside of intermission it was fine

[spice spire]

[earnest remnant]

my IQD, Sigil sub rogue boss dmg build for sub was

[gusty mirage]

I actually really liked jailer too

Mythic jailer that is

Heroic and normal were Zzzzz

[gray crest]

Jailer as sin was fun as fuck

[oak sky]

mythic jailer was alright for sure

IF I DIDNT CLOAK MY 6 BUFF

[earnest remnant]

my first time on jailer was colour doing our perm 6 stack in p1 strat

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

so was an interesting progress boss for me

xD

[royal lantern]

HOLD

HOLD

[gusty mirage]

Bro

KT

So bad

My god

[royal lantern]

HOOOOLD

OK GO NOW PUSH PUSH PUSH

TOO SLOW WIPE IT

🙂

[gusty mirage]

Me as a sin rogue:

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-oh-okay-ok-gif-23268143

[gusty mirage]

“Hold dps”

Frost shards: hold my beer

[royal lantern]

you did that group moral envenom

my 6k dmg will help pushing

[tacit otter]

im so glad i started to try to get into a "better" guild this season. looking back i miss seeing some of the later bosses in each raid on mythic

[gusty mirage]

True

[oak sky]

that 120k frost shard

[earnest remnant]

think i have 1 log from SoD as assa

[oak sky]

playing downstairs with frost shards

[gusty mirage]

Yea you start to appreciate certain bosses when you raid with a more coordinated group

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

[earnest remnant]

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

“Rogue was OP in SoD”

That’s what a warlock unironically said to me in season 3

[tacit otter]

probably one of the only things im really looking forward next patch

[oak sky]

it kinda was in raid

tbf

[gusty mirage]

Except 20% of your damage wasn’t even you

[oak sky]

but not as op as warlocks in s3 s4

[gusty mirage]

It was the shards lmao

[earnest remnant]

we spat on everybody that night

[oak sky]

yeah shards were dogshit but like

rogue abused them better than anyone else

[gusty mirage]

Dashing scoundrel stonks

Simpler times

[earnest remnant]

i played obedience

on that kill

with MFD

[gusty mirage]

Bro I looked at my logs from sod

[oak sky]

take me back to when i had 4 months of farm to get god logs

[earnest remnant]

was quite okay

[gusty mirage]

Why did I have like 30 kills in heroic

Lmao

[earnest remnant]

some quite nasty crit gear

[gusty mirage]

Then I remembered boosting

[oak sky]

i had full bis

[gusty mirage]

So much gold made in 9.1

I was boosting weekly with houkon

Made like 1mil gold a month just doing raid boosts lmao

[earnest remnant]

might have done some MFD sniping on orbs here

[storm forum]

Dungeon boosting was a nice relaxing thing to do with the lads every Monday. Rip boosting servers

[gusty mirage]

Truly a tragedy

[oak sky]

is this nerdzul

[gusty mirage]

Esp cuz boosting didn’t even go down

[earnest remnant]

yeh

only boss i tried assa on cuz i was bored

[gusty mirage]

Except that for 80% of the tier they didn’t reset mfd

Because the orbs didn’t actually “die”

[earnest remnant]

never had that happen but also only did this once

[oak sky]

nerzul was weird because you like

[gusty mirage]

I don’t remember when they made that change

[oak sky]

wanted to funnel off orbs

but you also didnt want to lose a frost proc to them

god i hated frost shards

[gusty mirage]

Crit a proc on an orb

Rip your parse

[earnest remnant]

anduin boss dmg ranks tho

[oak sky]

literally

[earnest remnant]

unethical assa players man

[oak sky]

i miss log chatting with vel

[gusty mirage]

Lmao I think that was vel

[earnest remnant]

no it was cev

[gusty mirage]

He went on a tear just juicing externals

[earnest remnant]

he hid his logs

[gusty mirage]

Might’ve been season 4

[earnest remnant]

this was 2.5 patch

[gusty mirage]

Check 9.2

[oak sky]

vel was on sin shit in .1 no?

[gusty mirage]

Look up vel’s logs

[oak sky]

sod

[spice spire]

Vel ain’t ever hid logs in his life

[gusty mirage]

Mfer was juicing harder than Arnold

[oak sky]

dude the best thing was when vel like destroyer soulrender

destroyed

and it was no external

and then when he went back through with full externals he just kept it at least for a while

[gusty mirage]

Man I’m so washed now

Wtf happened

[oak sky]

shorter farm periods

[earnest remnant]

fated ranks tho

[oak sky]

no time to get bis gear

[earnest remnant]

colour bois rise up

[gusty mirage]

Yeah?

Well I was rwf fated lihuvim kill

How about them apples?

World first baby

[oak sky]

ill have you know imperative was world first fated

[gusty mirage]

Not lihuvim

[earnest remnant]

i bow down

[gusty mirage]

Go look it up

Back in March

[oak sky]

so true bestie

[gusty mirage]

WF fated lihuvim

We were laughing so hard about it

Started requesting gamer gummies as payment

[oak sky]

put some respect on the gamer gummies

what guild is grom in now

isnt he with one of your old guildies

[gusty mirage]

Ya with our old rl @gray crest

What’s the guild name again

[gray crest]

Wasnt it cry for help or something like that

[oak sky]

Isnt your old rl trying to wr push

[gusty mirage]

Yea

[oak sky]

Is it hof

[gusty mirage]

They’re actually lower ranked than my guild

[oak sky]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

By like

3

Bro grom was mukbanging wings and showed up late to raid because of it

[earnest remnant]

i cant wait for next tier man

[gusty mirage]

There’s no way this man is a real human being

[earnest remnant]

fuck these bosses

[gusty mirage]

You don’t enjoy broodkeeper or dathea?

Brood very fun fight

[earnest remnant]

dont really enjoy any of them tbh

[gusty mirage]

Rip Kurog man

[earnest remnant]

i like minmaxing for dmg

[gusty mirage]

Truly the best fight in the raid pre nerf

[earnest remnant]

and its not doable this tier

[simple violet]

Just did a raid finder boss on the 10.1 beta. "Roiling Shdowflame" embellishment did 5.4% of my overall damage. Not sure if lariat+Shadowflame can match that. But hopefully the math people will confirm

[gusty mirage]

Wait is it buffed by deeper daggers?

[earnest remnant]

yeh

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant ur the smart one

[earnest remnant]

DD veil touched DB

[gusty mirage]

Oh

Cool

[gray crest]

lmao ez sub tier

[earnest remnant]

everything xD

[gusty mirage]

Sub super cool spec

[earnest remnant]

same with the Nuke trinket

🙂

[gusty mirage]

Just spoon fed fucking everything eh

[gray crest]

did the bomb trinket get nerfed?

[echo heath]

How dare you

[earnest remnant]

coolest rogue spec for the coolest Raccoon

it be how it is

[gusty mirage]

I mean

Ngl I just want to play my warlock

After raid testing

[earnest remnant]

im going into my simc demon cave in a couple of days

so need to get all of my social battery drained before then

[gusty mirage]

Yeah go help Koji out

You don’t sleep anyway

He could use the help

[earnest remnant]

well im waiting for him to implement the tiersets

so i can start

i dont know c++

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

so i cant xD

[gusty mirage]

Learn lawyer man

[earnest remnant]

nah

[gusty mirage]

True

[earnest remnant]

current have this open

[gusty mirage]

Yell at whispyr to do it

We can watch cocaine bear again while we wait

[gray crest]

Ive been meaning to learn c++ cause my job very vaguely used it

and its my excuse to learn

[gusty mirage]

I have the link to this somewhere

I lost it a while ago

Don’t tell whispyr

[earnest remnant]

im tryna learn simc stuff

[ember mural]

i did c++ in college

[earnest remnant]

but im lazy af

[gusty mirage]

I gave up on APL work

Steep learning curve, resources aren’t exactly abundant, and I don’t want to burden anyone asking for my hand to be held

[earnest remnant]

im more so learning it to be more helpful

[gusty mirage]

Good on you

Knew promoting you was a good call

[earnest remnant]

gotten quite a few questions this tier (what if we dont do that)

[gusty mirage]

Now if we could get rid of @spice spire

[earnest remnant]

and im sitting there like???? i dont fcking know

[gusty mirage]

I mean what

[spice spire]

Bro?

[gusty mirage]

Trying to free up your time

I miss us

[spice spire]

[ember mural]

val's gone, nows your time

[spice spire]

Jealousy is a bad look tho xoxo

[balmy condor]

I would hold your hand, with my third leg

[gusty mirage]

Careful I’ve been known to be argumentative and mean

[gusty mirage]

Bet

[oak sky]

Do we get to go a non sophic devo enchant this tier

Is there a god?

[earnest remnant]

reddit doesent lie meanie

[spice spire]

You’ve also been known to be a bitch 🤨

[oak sky]

Oh wait im playing druid

[spice spire]

Wait

[gusty mirage]

That was a secret bro wtf

[spice spire]

Were you specifically listed in a Reddit thing?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[spice spire]

I need a link

ASAP

[gray crest]

wait what

i need to see this

[gusty mirage]

I’m the reason RH sucks

[oak sky]

Its guy getting cited

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

And there’s nothing any of you can do about it

[oak sky]

Its like guy getting cited

[tacit otter]

i see sucking as a net positive

[earnest remnant]

guy is mentioned in it as well xD

[gusty mirage]

[gray crest]

Is this the time I use my fed powers

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

Only time ive seen oxi suck is when he was in bed with quake's dad

[balmy condor]

10.1 rogue is seen as a net positive

lets go

[gusty mirage]

I’m telling gabi

[gusty mirage]

SHEEESH

[oak sky]

Its gonna be so awesome in farm when rogue is in a better state and i get to ditch druid

[gusty mirage]

BRO?

?????????

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

I should've labeled it

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

quake, quakes dad

oxi

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[gusty mirage]

This man unhinged

[spice spire]

Dog I thought I’d be the problem this weekend

[oak sky]

Unhinged his jaw so your dads dick could fit in it

What?

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

Bro

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-swift-t-swift-hi-its-gif-27009848

[oak sky]

Im off da perc

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t used cheesin or me irl in a while

[spice spire]

Don’t make me post the drunk whispyr copy pastas

[oak sky]

Me to quakes dad

[gusty mirage]

Hey woah

[balmy condor]

don't play league

[gusty mirage]

I was one of the good ones

[shrewd night]

I dont what yall have been smoking, but its getting unhinged in here

[oak sky]

Yo my bad chief

[balmy condor]

officer please

it's 4/20

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr trying to unseat us as the top reason RH sucks

[oak sky]

We did it for the za

[twilit hollow]

@gusty mirage youre number one most wholesome in my heart

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

you better take that back or I'm gonna cyberbully you (in game)

[twilit hollow]

whispyr, i love you but we both know you are not wholesome, you are a degenerate, and you would prefer that

youre number one degen in my heart

[balmy condor]

I'll accept it

[spice spire]

i ahte that taylor swfit fucking birtch
some of her shit is catchy hto
even ifaj I don't alike it
ssssssshec got no ass thoui

[twilit hollow]

lil bit wholesome, very degen, very good all around

[drifting cloud]

where do I sign up

[balmy condor]

it's true, she do got no ass though

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Lmfaooooooooo

[gusty mirage]

ily

[near valley]

wtf is going on in this chat?

[earnest remnant]

its downbad saturday wdym?

[gusty mirage]

nothing good

[shrewd night]

*sun

[gusty mirage]

okay future man

[near valley]

sounds like business as usual

[gusty mirage]

is sunday as bad as saturday?

[earnest remnant]

havent slept yet

so still saturday

[near valley]

sunday is actually peak

[earnest remnant]

eat my logic

[gusty mirage]

[near valley]

only sucks when u have actual commitments on a Monday lmao

[near valley]

so if u don't sleep for 3 days will it still be saturday?

[earnest remnant]

yep

i do that quite often

[near valley]

actual hidden tech

[earnest remnant]

so can say that my logic is unbreakable

[near valley]

now i can tell my lecturers my shit wasnt late

[shrewd night]

"Hey man, why arent you at work, are you home sick?"
"Nah chief, its still saturday "

[earnest remnant]

[near valley]

[earnest remnant]

true tho we should force whispyr to watch that with us

[storm belfry]

Did you recently lose 12 of something?

[near valley]

yes

[balmy condor]

don't need to watch it

I voice acted the bear

[near valley]

gotta send evidence now to back that claim

do a line and record your voice so we can confirm

[balmy condor]

hi, it's me, cocaine bear

[near valley]

damn. that checks out. Can i have your autograph?

[near valley]

sounds like an Ahri post

[uncut echo]

Excuse me?

[near valley]

the imposter one

[uncut echo]

Oh, the blue Ahri that left

[near valley]

ye

[uncut echo]

The impasta that chose a number 2 digits off me

Hmm

[near valley]

must be your fan

[uncut echo]

I'm so beloved

[near valley]

suffering from success

[slow needle]

Any chance of a link to this reddit post?

[uncut echo]

It's not really relevant

Tbh

[odd dew]

Does FoK count as a ranged ability for this

[uncut echo]

I have a hot take of who it is

[uncut echo]

Doubt

[odd dew]

Poisoned Knife makes it way into the rotation?

[uncut echo]

No

[odd dew]

Serrated bone Spike should trigger it

[uncut echo]

Probably

[royal lantern]

bfa launch moment

[slow needle]

Still curious even if it isn't terribly relevant.

[uncut echo]

Shadowblades should have it if you're curious.

The person in question making the complaints is active in over 1000 subreddits, complaining in every one

Defending transphobes, racism

They're not an expert witness on the quality of the moderation team of RH.

[slow needle]

I think I've been here long enough to form my own opinions on our dear green and orange names.

Sometimes you just wanna watch a car crash ya know?

[uncut echo]

Yeah, but all this to say I don't have the post lmao.

I just read screenshots someone sent me.

[royal lantern]

ah yes, the average reddit user then

[slow needle]

Ah if its been taken down then fair enough.

[arctic walrus]

@gusty mirage @oak sky @earnest remnant @spice spire @blazing jewel

[oak sky]

@arctic walrus

THE ORIGINAL

[earnest remnant]

[oak sky]

THE MFD GUY

[spice spire]

this mf actually patting assassination

[oak sky]

i make you guys a promise i will be good at the game again this tier

i promise

[earnest remnant]

u got yoppa'd

get fcked

[oak sky]

look at the gear

[arctic walrus]

I got shootas

[spice spire]

DAMN

just sending the lil reminder

[gusty mirage]

they always trying to keep you down bro

stay strong king

[arctic walrus]

who the fuck is they

@shy dust it's this fucker

[gusty mirage]

it really do be your own

[earnest remnant]

rae gone, but not forgotten

[oak sky]

@arctic walrus i took a page out your book im playing a furry class for a while bro

[balmy condor]

vulpera assassination rogue, very based

[oak sky]

nah im gonna learn how to gaslight the community and bring my skills back

ill train under peyton tettleton

but like ill be back as soon as i dont hate rogue

[gray hazel]

Is next week last week for CE?

[gusty mirage]

yes

this coming week would be the last week

may 2nd/3rd when 10.1 drops, CE will be unobtainable

[gray hazel]

Thanks!

[drifting cloud]

wrong big noob!

its till 9th

[uncut echo]

Uh

Doubt

[drifting cloud]

no doubt

its always till next season launch except on prepatch

[uncut echo]

Its always to patch day I thought

Read the achievements

[gusty mirage]

prolly right

idk man

I'm old

stop yelling at me

[drifting cloud]

you just forgot because s4 memes

remember stuff like people doing uu'nat with essences

etc

but for more recent you can probably easily find a guild that killed sylv when ZM was already out

and youll see the people in that guild will have CE on armory

[spice spire]

Feral or boomkin

[oak sky]

yeah

[spice spire]

Bruh

I need a tracker for apex. Like that’s it. No mf has it

[oak sky]

basically

ill be able to play feral if its good

and ill get fed agi staff if we get one ever

but im on chicken duty for most of the raid

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Cant you get the proc spell id and make a WA from that

[spice spire]

Yeah

But man I didn’t wanna make

[oak sky]

Ill just track it on my personal bar and watch for it

[spice spire]

Cba for a goof toon

[mint remnant]

guys sorry, really dumb question i guess.

[balmy condor]

There are no dumb questions

Just dumb people

[mint remnant]

i changed my UI this morning and only can see 3 of my 4? poisons as a buff, and i don't know if this is a bug in my ui settings OR i did changed something in my talent build yesterday which only allows me to use 3 poisons?!

and yes i did reapply all 4 poisons some minutes ago

[balmy condor]

If you’re talented into amp poison you should have access to amp, deadly, and wound poison for your lethal poison option, of which you can take 2. Your non-lethal options are crippling, and numbing/atrophic depending on the talent you picked. You can also pick 2 of those, which brings you to 4

If you have all 4 applied to your character and you can see 4 poisons on your buffs, there is a bug where Crippling does not apply to bosses since they are slow immune, which might be where the 3 poisons are coming from

[mint remnant]

oh man

i got it

thanks

so the issue was

my ui changes changed the poison sorting

[balmy condor]

Classic

[mint remnant]

and i always applied 3 lethal and 1 unlethal..

thx

[solar bramble]

could be worse. . . . my last ui change removed nameplates lol

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty gross

[plush delta]

realz if u read this

replace flying daggers with echoing blades rn

[balmy condor]

realz if you're reading this

don't

get some sleep

what are you doing man

[strange python]

new assassination rouge. how is pvp burst?

[oak sky]

#pvp #pvp-faq

[strange python]

Sorry and Thank You

[oak sky]

no worries dude

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

🤨

[muted inlet]

Currently watching some Boss-Videos from PTR testing. Looks like a lot of single target encounters, except Assault. Will Assassination probably be ahead of the other rogue speccs that tier?

[oak sky]

tuning based

[spice surge]

If assassination does the most singletarget it will be ahead

[blazing jewel]

that is one of the sentences of all time

[spice surge]

Thanks man

[blazing jewel]

a true poet

[royal lantern]

and if it do not the most singletarget, its not ahead

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-cells-unlock-your-brain-gif-14425366

[deft flicker]

New answer just dropped

[solar bramble]

curious. would it be a good idea for blizzard to move kingsbane over to where Arterial precision is right now? and maybe swap things like crimson tempest and ensanguinate. . . rather than having some st and some AoE on each side of the tree? . . just looking at the tree it feels odd to have kingsbane competing with just having an extra poison that also applies a lot more frequently. when if you put it where Arterial precision is, it could solidify those as a pair for single target?

also move doomblade to mid or left side for easier selection of those 2 for ST?

that and reduce Indiscriminate carnage down to 30 seconds lol

[spice surge]

Thats where kingsbane used to be

[solar bramble]

lol it just seems to make more sense for it to be there. where it would synergize well with the extra poisons and a full ST poison/bleed setup.

though doomblade is in a very odd spot on the tree if you wanted to do that, so is crimson tempest

and ensanguinate needs cut down to 2 minutes also to synergize. . . 3 minutes is just really akward

[cobalt hemlock]

only reason i think they have it like this is because the dragon tempered blade and kingsbane combo would be omega broken apparently

[solar bramble]

then tune it's damage down some. right now our single target is already not the best. let us have the pairing that would amp it up. and slightly tune it down to be reasonable

[cobalt hemlock]

we shall see what blizz cooks up. if it takes so long they surely must take the necesary time to make it really good right?

[solar bramble]

like a 10% increase instead of 20% when a lethal poison is applied. to offset double poisons

[balmy condor]

I don't think you fully understand how impossible that is

you would have to tune them down to the point where the combo is balanced, which would leave each talent individually as complete rubbish

it would just flat out ruin any mobility in the tree

[solar bramble]

if it's double poison that's making it strong. would single application be balanced? though it would make it not strong enough solo

[balmy condor]

even more than now

[cobalt hemlock]

trust the process and worst case you gonna learna different spec no way all 3 specs are dogshit

[balmy condor]

if it's single application then you basically have what you do now

the synergy wouldn't exist

[solar bramble]

well outlaw is out. a couple parts of the spec i'm just never good at. so it'd be sin or sub

[balmy condor]

and moving it would be pointless

[solar bramble]

generally speakign I prefer sins playstyle over subs

theirs always a min/max that people pick. so tree mobility is not going to be high outside utility anyway (imo).

whatever numbers are highest tends to be what people gravitate towards.

(imo)

[royal lantern]

i mean, there is a difference bettwen "the there are some highly minmaxed loadouts" and "kingsbane and DTB now always need to be played togheter by default, because the talents are dogshit by themself"

[solar bramble]

fair. but if i were to guess, a lot of people will treat those as one in the same. people see dps loss as dps loss even if it's a .5%.

[static glacier]

You understand how KB works right

One or both talents would have to be nerfed that they would be weak solo since their interaction is basically doubling the speed of KB’s damage increase

[royal lantern]

if you could play dtb and kb togheter

you would double the effectiveness of KB

it would be like a KB inside deathmark all the time lol

and inside deathmark, even more stupid

[hollow dirge]

I mean, it’s not hard to change word “lethal” to “deadly” in kb, and it’s sorted. Seems like they just don’t give a shit, rather than have issues actually fixing it

[static glacier]

pvp implications

[hollow dirge]

Plenty of ways of improving assa rogues without kb though, but we’re not anywhere on their map yet

[hollow dirge]

Deadly or wound then😂

[static glacier]

just not amp?

then you'd be in an awkward spot where you'd wana take wound + deadly for pve

over amp due to kb

[grim jay]

is it the sunday funday sin family cooking right here?

[hollow dirge]

Dubt it would increase kb enough to grant enough value

Considering envenom dmg + dmg of the amp is stronger by itself

[drifting cosmos]

another week

[hollow dirge]

Gotta make a community soup, it’s sunday

[grim jay]

7 weeks

[static glacier]

hopefully not, but the implication remains, what if someone cooks up some wierd build / prio list that produces illegal 1m bursts and we get another sludgefist

[grim jay]

thats pretty impossible

altho dtb + kb unnerfed with the obvious interaction would be insane burst

[drifting cosmos]

should we ask Chatgpt how to balance/tune sin

[hollow dirge]

Well, having one boss dictate your spec tuning is not exactly great logic that they should follow

[grim jay]

after all noone really knows what they take into consideration when they do tuning. especially not since they did stuff thats contradictory to certain aspects

[static glacier]

remember what happened with zul and sub?

I agree, it's bad that they followed it

[hollow dirge]

Either way, you can easily tune it even with pvp in mind. And if you want to avoid rng on kb all together, just make it increase from garr/rup, that way you know how many tics go in, and if played well on exan/dm, you can increase it further

[static glacier]

but I don't believe they wouldn't repeat the same actions again

[hollow dirge]

Yes, and I still think their solutions were shit

[royal lantern]

every reasonable person will think that lol

they litearlly KILLED the spec for over 1 year

and the fun part: they killed it because of funnel dmg on 1 encounter, and in the next raidtier you had spriests and warlocks do the same in even stronger

[spice surge]

This just isnt true though

Its not like sub did 50% more damage than other specs on zul

It did like 150-200% more

[hollow dirge]

“Sub shined enough, let’s kill it for a year”

[royal lantern]

idk the numbers anymore man, i was still a young lad during BfA

now im a depressed boomer

and everything is hazy

[static glacier]

thing is sub had no aoe

shuriken storm > evisc was our aoe gameplay along with spreading nightblade onto targets we wanted to evisc

[spice surge]

Yes

[static glacier]

but nah, we gota homogenise specs

[royal lantern]

wow is fairly diverse with its specs

if you actually remember that the game has over 30different "classes"

[static glacier]

I meant in terms of output

outliers for funnel? not allowed

[spice surge]

Calling something thats 3x as strong as everything else an "outlier" is certainly underselling it

[dark token]

That's because those specs held off on aoeing

So the rogue could funnel

[spice surge]

Im talking about literally only boss dps

And when i checked logs 200% mightve been a little bit overkill, but it was between 100-150% depending on specs

And thats not during progress either

[static glacier]

to be fair I think they also kneecapped ele sham

funnel

after palace

[marble magnet]

Any tips for the mage tower?

[balmy condor]

It’s 95% mechanics

Just don’t greed

[marble magnet]

Im worried about the enrage

[balmy condor]

Why tho

[marble magnet]

Because i'm not a good multi dotter

[balmy condor]

Then you should probably work on that

[spice surge]

I mean, unless you die because of the enrage you shouldnt really worry much about it

[marble magnet]

If I went full single target, would it be too slow?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[marble magnet]

This and Arcane are my last mage towers

[balmy condor]

The damage check isn’t much of a concern, but you do have to multidot in order to get it done

[marble magnet]

😩

[balmy condor]

It’s kind of a core fundamental of the spec

🙂

[marble magnet]

it's just that I'm so afraid of the axe guy

For all other dot specs, they had single target, or even funnel challenges.

[balmy condor]

He’s not really an issue, if he’s throwing axes you pull the main lady away, if he enraged you kidney+evasion or just kite because you got crippling

[quaint nimbus]

are the og mage tower weapon appearances for rogue still an award or is it just the new armor set now

[marble magnet]

Do I just focus on dotting the two and leave him alone?

[grim jay]

only the armor

imagine the uproar if you could get the weapons

I'd be tilted aswell

[quaint nimbus]

that’s what i thought, but i wanted to make sure

oh absolutely lmao
the riots would be legendary

[balmy condor]

You should try and dot him if you can but if you gotta step away from him you gotta step away from him

[storm belfry]

[eager solstice]

folks saying aberrus is not great for melee so there's gonna be less melee spots. So if you don't bring an important buff or are an op melee, I don't see how assa makes it into a competitive raid team.

[uncut echo]

Sin brings atrophic.

You bring one rogue.

Calm down.

[spice surge]

People say that about literally every raid fwiw

[uncut echo]

They said it about vault too

[eager solstice]

raid can't tell the diff w or w/o atrophic. Atrophic is negligible

nah assa was looking at A, S tier at start of vault

[uncut echo]

Imagine tiering a class that's getting buffed after week 2

[haughty flicker]

I didn’t see anyone saying melee was bad for vault, last couple tiers have actually been quite melee friendly

[uncut echo]

Devo negligible too ig

[eager solstice]

watch dratnos' latest vid

[uncut echo]

WHO FUCKING CARES

ABOUT DRATNOS

OR TIERLISTS

[spice surge]

Tfw you dont have an overtuned trinket during ptr testing

[eager solstice]

lol a lot of people care about his opinion man,

[uncut echo]

That doesnt make them right

[deft flicker]

👏Tierlists👏are👏a👏meme👏

[uncut echo]

Tierlists are a content bait

When there's nothing else to make content on

There's literally zero objective fact behind them

[eager solstice]

lol what

that's why most top raid leaders, filter and organize their info for their race in tierlists. Max/echo all organize their info into tier lists. Tierlists are just tools that ppl use to organize info

[uncut echo]

They literally preface

Every video

With

DO NOT TAKE THESE SERIOUSLY THESE ARE MEMES

Because they're fucking around for views in a content lull.

Because they are memes.

Some motherfucker put havoc in B tier at the start of vault.

[raven knoll]

And max put it higher

[uncut echo]

Becauae

[spice surge]

The objective "facts" behind them are ptr testing, but basing everything of ptr testing is a meme since blizzard tend to do massive changes either right before release or the week after

[uncut echo]

Again,

They're memeing

[spice surge]

Like a week ago people were saying mages were bad, now they got a massive buff and suddenly theyre good

[near valley]

Mages did dam already pre-nerf

[uncut echo]

Its almost like they make them early on purpose to make them again after buffs drop

And title shit like MASSIVE CHANGES 60% BUFFS?????????

[near valley]

Blizz just did blizz things and gave numbers instead of changing the fact their tier sucks lol

[deft flicker]

Then reacting to their own tierlist videos for even more content

[near valley]

Also the only tier lists worth salt are Marcelian tier lists

[deft flicker]

Indiscriminate milking

[raven knoll]

So they are not wrong.

[uncut echo]

No

They're wrong

Stop getting baited into them

[near valley]

Sounds kinda hot ngl

[raven knoll]

So the guy that put warlock specs on the tier list deliberately put the weaker spec higher and stronger specs lower or what?

[uncut echo]

Why do you care about tierlists

[raven knoll]

I dont Im just saying they are not completely wrong

They may be off

not wrong

[near valley]

Tbh I thought tier lists were how people were subliminally asking for buffs for their class

U put something like Boomie C tier in some wowhead post

Boom buffed

But yeah I agree don't assume tier lists are correct for the most part

Except like the classes in the worst tier cause usually those are based

[deft flicker]

It’s more of a care about what people have to say about something they have passion for (tierlists is there just because staring at an empty Notepad or MS Paint is cronge and I can’t really put the stream in background without a lingering feeling of “i’m missing out on something”)

[spice surge]

Watched it and they said sub's strength is funneling and massive burst aoe Truly well informed

[uncut echo]

I mean sub does burst hard in aoe

Bery quickly

Like, 5 globals

[deft flicker]

People who care about what they’re playing can voice their feedback to a larger audience than they usually have access to. Which is really cool

[uncut echo]

Thats v fast

[spice surge]

No, sub has sustained aoe

[near valley]

Ofc they did. They always know what they're talking about

[meager steppe]

got a spark recently is it worth to craft one more item for next patch?

[near valley]

It's burst compared to the other two tbf

[spice surge]

You need new sparks to upgrade/craft items for next season anyway so it doesnt matter

[near valley]

Could craft a non-lariat neck

And get that to 418

[meager steppe]

ty

[spice surge]

They also said assassination does great damage even if it loses uptime on the boss because of its bleeds, so yeah, once again, truly well informed

[deft flicker]

How long is the thing??

[near valley]

too long

nearly 25 mins of words

outlaw is A tier

that's all you should know

[deft flicker]

So less than a minute per spec (a lot less if we take intro/patreon thankies/likecommentsubscribedingdong/outro/etc into account)

IMO way too little time to talk about everything going on and let the viewer make up their own opinion

[near valley]

tbf most peeps just skip to the end to see the full tier

list

[deft flicker]

Fair enough, but I have a lot more faith in a 4-hour tier list video than in a 25-minute one

Might be just me though

[near valley]

sounds like you're a PoE enjoyer

[grim jay]

tierlists arent really so that the viewer can judge

they are for people that basically barely know anything and just want to get fed information

[deft flicker]

I tried it but didn’t get that far. Although I had some serious mental issues at the time, so part of me wants to give it another go

[grim jay]

just wait for d4

😄

[deft flicker]

Might also try that, who knows

[grim jay]

poe just has overcomplicated systems on top of overcomplicated systems

[deft flicker]

I had a lot of stuff I wanna try out, but whenever I have free time it gets yoinked by some shiny thing

I tried D3 and it was a rather fun experience

[quiet juniper]

hey just took my my lv 60 assa rogue, might be a dumb question but coudnt we use 2 poisons at the same time for our weapons ?

[near valley]

well

u can use one lethal and one not lethal

or u can talent into DTB and apply two of each