assassination

[steel ridge]

fire helm stays if you have eranog ring

but why worry now, what would you do with that knowledge?

[grand trail]

Firehelm get it's embellishment buffed anyway

[scenic jetty]

there is a new embelish that does shadowflame dmg and procs the eranog ring

[grand trail]

Yeah but it's not know if it's proc enough

[scenic jetty]

it procs a lot and does more dmg than helm

ST wise

[grand trail]

Will see, I don't like helm anyway

[steel ridge]

which slot or omni slot?

[scenic jetty]

i crafted on helm

[grand trail]

I personally believe that eranog ring will get nerfed but that's just my opinion

[scenic jetty]

u can craft it on any slot

sin just felt bad anyway

i tested sub more

[grand trail]

And felt bad aswell

? 😂

[scenic jetty]

actually it did quite decent

the onyx ring does so much dmg now

[grand trail]

It does even on live server

[scenic jetty]

probably it scales with the crit dmg from the tier set and the bonus from symbols

[grand trail]

11% on raz

[scenic jetty]

it was like 25% ish on my dummy

😄

[grand trail]

Another thing I think will be nerfed but who know

That's a lot 😂

All we can do is speculate, I'm open to any spec

[scenic jetty]

i just can't stand outlaw

hope they rework that spec

[grand trail]

I did not play it but I'm practicing it in m+ rn and I don't hate it .

[royal lantern]

rather flatten my balls with a mallet for 6hours, than playing DF outlaw for an entire tier

[grand trail]

It can change same as did with season 1, most people went outlaw for early weeks and it more in the tier was shifting towards other specs

I don't like ol but want atleast one playable spec at this point

[shrewd night]

Rare tryan W

[royal lantern]

BfA or SL outlaw? yeha, was ok

but man, DF outlaw just blows

[royal lantern]

wdym i always win (never try anything, cant lose that way)

[shrewd night]

BFA outlaw was the shiznit, dont know why they had to ruin that

[royal lantern]

i mean, Nobody knows what is happening balance wise anyway sooo........

[somber fractal]

nothing is looking to overtake the lariat thought right?

[royal lantern]

maybe early tier

but later when people start having socket gear? probs gonna be the best again

[shrewd night]

I need to figure out how strong the polearm effect is, whether I should upgrade weapon or not

[royal lantern]

mate, you know the rules

if you dont upgrade your weapon, it wont drop

[shrewd night]

[odd dew]

New raid is mainly ST right? Will we be better than last raid in that case?

[steel ridge]

thats our copium, but tuning seems to be very poor

[rocky ruin]

Its single target and cleave, didnt check most of the mythic change

after heroic tuning maybe we get some tuning or just again nerf like
assassination 2 set piece increased the damage for rupture 35% and crimson tempest 15%

because crimson tempest is a strong AOE ability

[steel ridge]

is it? 😄

my hopes are that 40% stronger ruptures that get double buffed by AP Shiv (20% bleed, 20 Nature) do blast in aoe

but 4 pc bonus is still weird to get use out of in aoe

[rocky ruin]

but only for 4 targets

[steel ridge]

5

[rocky ruin]

yea right

like most ppl say DM-Exsang happy wrecked CD

[steel ridge]

by shifting IC damage from garrote to rupture you get a better dmg profile

if the stars allign and dm ends right when mobs are in execute phase

you can then do some sick execute dmg 😄

what a horrible 4piece man

[rocky ruin]

why not included just garrote the 2 set piece
But playing AP and IC didnt we sacrifices enough ST already

[grim jay]

Tbf iirc it doesnt double buff

[steel ridge]

why not?

[grim jay]

Its a nature damage effect based on rupture damage, so it purely gets damage based on that iirc

[steel ridge]

No double dipping

[grim jay]

@balmy condor it was like that, right ? The tierset nature damage not getting amped by shiv

[balmy condor]

uh

idk

I didn't do any testing

I think so, because it's a tier and not whitelisted

the 4 piece though amps everything

cause it's just a global mod on nature damage

very cool

[rocky ruin]

i can feel whispyr hatred for this tierset

[grim jay]

I've seen someone mentioning that he didnt notice higher ticks and assumed the same bcs whitelist aswell

[balmy condor]

yah I mean

whitelist change would've been datamined

[jade abyss]

What is a whitelist change?

[grim jay]

Tho the case still stands that AP has more value for rupture since the set dmg is based on rupture, even if no double dip. We'll see if thats anything good tho

[balmy condor]

whitelist is the opposite of a blacklist

most modifiers like shiv work off whitelists

so they only affect certain things

[steel ridge]

what really bugs me is that deathmark in aoe is just a liability to get out of the way asap

to blast aoe

[balmy condor]

at least it teaches people to slam on cooldown

[steel ridge]

[grim jay]

Yeah, there are many of the 6 sin m+ people that dont use DM on trash at all

Now they kinda need to

[vestal wren]

whitelist: "only works for stuff that is on the list"
blacklist: "works on stuff that is not on the list"

[drifting cosmos]

put DM and go set up bleeds

come back start doing dmg when dm finishes

intended way of sin m+

[steel ridge]

how did they come up with that 4 piece man

[balmy condor]

I mean at this point the intended way to play sin in m+ is playing outlaw

[steel ridge]

in what universe

[spice spire]

Ur a real one for that bestie

[steel ridge]

how about ST Raid... after dm ends you slam sepsis?

is that a thing?

[jade abyss]

Ty

[steel ridge]

40% on sepsis sounds like it may be viable

[fading wigeon]

Envenom spam

[balmy condor]

reminder that they added AP, and when it was added we said it was undertuned, and then it released undertuned, and then we said it was undertuned, and then no one played it cause it was undertuned, and then they left it undertuned, and then 10.1 ptr happened and it's undertuned and not getting buffed, so no one is gonna play it, and then it's still gonna be undertuned, but they wont tune mid patch so it'll wait until 10.1.5 and then maybe it'll be buffed so it won't be undertuned and then when they buff it, people MIGHT play it for the aoe, and it will have only taken 6 whole fucking months after everyone knew it was too weak, 20 minutes after it was announced

good shit

[steel ridge]

truth bomb

[balmy condor]

I just don't understand the development pipeline

like you introduce a new capstone

and instead of monitoring its impact and adjusting it

you just let it sit unused

[steel ridge]

it happens when you simply dont care

[balmy condor]

like I feel like if you add something, anything at all, but ESPECIALLY a whole ass capstone to a tree

you would be like

hey lets see how this ends up

[steel ridge]

it has one use and one use only

council

[balmy condor]

ya know

like adding sylv daggers

and then being like"

[grim jay]

I'm actually not sure if I can endure outlaw. Can you make a thread in here and do outlaw stuff for the sin boys if there is no way around it? I dont want to enter the channel

[balmy condor]

"well, we added it!"

and then leaving it

like

why is there no follow up

to the stuff that gets added

[steel ridge]

do we even know IF realz is still working at blizzard?

like have we considered the possibility?

[silk bane]

he is, hes working on dh right now

[grim jay]

He was at DH discord ye

[steel ridge]

working on DH °_°

[balmy condor]

realz is just a dude

whatever

[steel ridge]

realz is just THE dude that actually cared about feedback

[sick aspen]

just remember bliz doesn't use "class dev's", he was never "our dev", he was just assigned to us before, not forever

[balmy condor]

who cares what realz is doing

need to zoom out a little

[grim jay]

DH guys are crying they dont get attention anywhere

[silk bane]

i mean, im just assuming they spent too many resources on ret rework and fell behind on their sprints

the current sprint was mostly fixing dungeons and affixes and raid probably

[vestal wren]

its more that the current dev cycle seems to not allow class devs to put in the time needed to iterate

[silk bane]

next sprints probably tuning

[vestal wren]

it isn't the problem of one specific person

[steel ridge]

ofc not

[vestal wren]

e.g. the ret rework probably took more time than rogue got in the entirety of the xpac in terms of tuning and design

[steel ridge]

but realz was the guy who actually engaged here to see what our opinion was

[balmy condor]

exactly

[jade abyss]

The sylv daggers, they never dropped in s2...

[grim jay]

I've heard someone mention that we just aint cooking enough for blizz to make a menu

[vestal wren]

yes, but this is a pattern we saw multiple times

[silk bane]

i mean to me it looks like the designers and QA are the same people

[vestal wren]

there is always more communication at the start of the xpac

[silk bane]

so they probably dont have enough time

[balmy condor]

idk, the whole "we need to complain" is a bit cringe to me

[vestal wren]

that quickly drops or silences

[silk bane]

and they got like 2 people doing balancing

[steel ridge]

yeah deafening silence rn

[vestal wren]

being annoying does not mean we get more attention

there are certain content creators with a big reach that can lead to changes, but just having a lot of ppl being mad does not rly encourage much

[steel ridge]

they balancing guys are high on crack

[grim jay]

I mean its pointless anyways. It will turn out how it will turn out and the rogue boys will play rogue, fotms will reroll and outlaws will play outlaw

[vestal wren]

if anything, a dev reading the discord might feel less excited to engage with the community

if there is just constant negative input

[deft flicker]

Maybe they have enough feedback to work on rn

[balmy condor]

the one thing that might help is if assassination is terribad in pvp too now

@hollow river is assa terribad in pvp

[sick aspen]

it's pretty bad

[balmy condor]

thank god

[ocean mantle]

it was played in AWC

[balmy condor]

fuck

fuck

fuck

fuck

fuck

[spice spire]

Notrickz is our only hope

[silk bane]

what no? its great, pikaboo stopped playing rogue cuz he was finallhy bored of it!

[ocean mantle]

Sub is better in 2's

assa in 3's i think

[balmy condor]

all the degenerate pvp losers are gonna be like "YOOO ASSA ISNT WEAK LOOK ITS CRAZY CRACKED OP DONT YOU SEE ITS RIDICULOUSSSSSSSSSSSSS PLEASE NERF"

and then we'll never get changes

[sick aspen]

it was, and whazz did good with it, but he was also extremely unimpactful, squishy, and did fuck all damage

[ocean mantle]

true

[balmy condor]

minigame mode balancing ruining it for everyone else

[silk bane]

rogue litearlly dies in the 3rd go. youre legit the squishiest class in pvp

[vestal wren]

i think rogue is the most hated class in pvp

[ocean mantle]

rogue was OG counter to pally tho

prob why they ran it

[silk bane]

and sin is very very reliant on team mates to get kills since everyones running prevoker or dwarf

[vestal wren]

so will always find someone who wants to see them burn

[silk bane]

u legit cant kill anyone

if they have monitors that is

[steel ridge]

the devs just done have the balls to risk something on assassination, they are afraid it turns out broken

(doesnt stop them from repeatedly overtune hunter, dk, ret, dh)

[balmy condor]

you know what always bothers me? There's always pvp changes that are "only affects pvp", but never "only affects pve"

whats up with that

[vestal wren]

i think there can be reason for it

[steel ridge]

pve multipliers are not a thing, isnt pve the baseeline and they just add pvp multipliers?

so they have to balance twice

[vestal wren]

essentially, what blizz is trying to do is make pve/pvp as similar as possible so you don't need to re-learn how things work

[grim jay]

All I read is "BM so terribad and weak, why nerf ?", aside from dh boys crying. Ret people crying how they wont scale well bcs crit/vers main secondaries. Its a shitshow

[vestal wren]

they do have systems to only affect one or the other, but seemingly intentional underuse it to make it easier to start doing pvp

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah but isn't it a bit concerning that when they buff/nerf things, it changes pvp as well, and then they need to tune pvp again afterwards?

like if you're gonna buff something

[silk bane]

because the specs are designed and tuned for pve not pvp and when somethigns performing too unexpected in pvp they fix it specifically for pvp.

[balmy condor]

adjust the pvp mod as well to be the same

so you don't change balance where you don't want to

maybe I'm the idiot for thinking that

[vestal wren]

also for the assassinaiton nerfs, i think the initial set of nerfs was reasonable in the balance enviroment back then.
The problem is they giga buffed some specs and continued to nerf sin/outlaw for no real reason

[steel ridge]

i know right, a three year old could do that math... yet blizzard is hesitant

[vestal wren]

basically missed that the environment changed heavily

[deft flicker]

Maybe managing 2 piles of variables is easier than managing 3 piles

[balmy condor]

what

[ocean mantle]

yeah.....

[balmy condor]

it would still be 2 piles

[ocean mantle]

but outlaw was fucking ridiculous

[balmy condor]

what you talking bout willis

[deft flicker]

I lost the trail

[balmy condor]

yellow name saw "pvp" and "pve" and couldn't count to 2

unlucky

[deft flicker]

Yep

Brb, gotta learn to count

[balmy condor]

me too man, me too

[spice spire]

It’s too early to laugh man

Come on

[silk bane]

idk man i think as long as people doing the tuning and balancing dont actually understand the specs playstyles and what makes them fun/good then its gonna be awful tuning

[grim jay]

I mean, people cant get behind how % gains in mastery arent the same % gain in dmg

[balmy condor]

scarizards rogue was cranking in sepulcher

[steel ridge]

the balancing team just looks at damage breakdowns and adjusts some knobs

[grim jay]

So I wouldnt argue about the math skills of people not being bad everywhere

[spice spire]

BRO

Mfs really log watching

[balmy condor]

his dk was cranking harder though

and then he just hard pivoted

and left the rogue to rot

[spice spire]

Frost dk main

Unluggy

[balmy condor]

who's log watching now

[silk bane]

anything could be cranking if u tune the numbers high enough, buff rupture by 100% and bam sins the best spec in the game in all content. It just seems like they get an order like : we want pvp to be less 1 shotty. Dev goes okay, sub rogue big damage in dance and Sec tech. we nerf dance and sec tech and buff gb instead! seems reasonable right?

[spice spire]

I’ve always been log watching

[silk bane]

but they dont understand how the specs actually play, so they just fuck the spec.

[jade abyss]

We will be good next expac

[balmy condor]

yeah but you gotta remember, big number good

[silk bane]

like rotten subs quite interesting. its fun (until 4 min mark then it dies hard) but its almost identical to outlaw

[balmy condor]

people always talk about how much they love 8.3, the golden age of exsang

and look how many people shit on it now

whats the difference

the difference is it did dam in 8.3

[spice spire]

Rose tinted glasses and big dam

[balmy condor]

you press exsang and you're top of the burst

[silk bane]

yeah if something does good damage, people get brainwashed to like it...

[balmy condor]

and that's all that matters

[steel ridge]

wasnt exsang cd in 8.3 like 1 minute?

[balmy condor]

45 seconds

and it didn't line up with fucking anything

you had to hold vendetta for 2:20

[steel ridge]

but BotE br0000

[silk bane]

on PTR i can get a single gb to hit for 300 -350 kwith lingering and blades and wm.

gb great ability right?

sigh

[balmy condor]

and then galecallers was 1 min

so you would exsang on cooldown

and galecaller on cooldown randomly in the middle

without the exsang

because you didn't want to miss an exsang cast

[grim jay]

Having less similarities with outlaw is usually more fun

[blazing jewel]

Hold vendetta

[vestal wren]

8.3 had corruption too, and assassination was the only spec that could utialize stat corruption well

[balmy condor]

so you would do your opener, exsang nothing, then galecaller nothing, then exsang nothing, then hold galecaller, then hold vendetta/vanish, and then redo the opener at 2:20-2:30

it was

such a fucking awful rotation

[silk bane]

no like, the spec plays quite fun, the issue is all your damage comes from gb, nothing does any damage, flag feels meh, its all meh damaeg otuside of big GB's

[vestal wren]

also 8.3 had infinite energy even on single target

[balmy condor]

it's legit like now where you hold box/exsang

but actually worse

because you had even more shit not lining up

and people herald it as the greatest sin patch of all time

just because damage = good

[grim jay]

Just make GB the finisher with all its buffs and Evis the builder. Ez

[balmy condor]

so patch = good

0 thought behind those eyes

just NPCs smashing keyboard

[silk bane]

this right here is btw why rogues getting treated like this. we have a small playerbase and we have 2 well performing specs. the entire community perception is WHY THE FUCK ARE U BUFFING ROGUES THEYRE BROKEN OMG IMMORTAL SPEC INFINITE UTILITY CRAZY

[balmy condor]

yeh it's rough

[silk bane]

like its litealrly not worth dev time to spend it on rogue

[spice spire]

8.3 didn’t have sbs either, so it’s inferior in every way

[silk bane]

cuz its 'fine' since they do good damage and theres noyt many people playing it anyays

[balmy condor]

I've gotten "why do you keep asking for sin buffs, they played it during the race, some guilds even played 2 on raz"

and I have to hold back

because I know I can't reach through my screen to choke them

[grim jay]

We all know that every rogue is good at the game for a fact aswell. So we dont have bad people dragging the average down

[spice spire]

4 months ago

[silk bane]

ive just stopped even trying. as soon as i try telling people anything they start saying "omg hes coping again rogue op wym"

and then i stop talking and sya sure yeah youre right mb

[balmy condor]

I got one of those last week

[spice spire]

I got that one last week too

[balmy condor]

it's either "they ran it during RWF" or it's "I saw undefinedtemperature do a key"

and I'm like

you gotta be fucking joking

right

you cannot be so detached from reality

to actually believe the words coming out of your mouth

[deft flicker]

Math learned, yeah, it’s 2 piles either way

[grim jay]

People always get pissed if I ask that way

[spice spire]

Multiple heat?

[balmy condor]

loving the character growth

[serene fossil]

Choke me mommy

[balmy condor]

that's sir to you

[oak sky]

Yes ma'am

[serene fossil]

Just this once not?

[grim jay]

Choke me Mutter

[balmy condor]

I'll let it slide

[steel ridge]

[serene fossil]

[spice spire]

Wish you’d let me slide (in)

To those dms

[grim jay]

Just saved it

[serene fossil]

Meanwhile whispyr chilling in my dms

[spice spire]

Strong flex

[grim jay]

I mean

Whispyr did some poetry for me

Cant top that

[serene fossil]

Offered me an only sim subscription with fuu colabs

[serene fossil]

Mommy whispyr choking is the bigger flex

[grim jay]

We are above the physical nonsense

[balmy condor]

whispyr 🤝 fuu

together we will corner the patreon market

and create the super patreon

all 25 people that still play rogue

will be forced into a 300 euro a month subscription

to access the wowhead guides

and then we'll retire on majorca and sip martini's

[analog glade]

Fair

[grim jay]

You sure there are still 25 people playing rogue by that time ?

[balmy condor]

idk but I'm milking them dry bro

just getting in there

and dehydrating them

[blazing jewel]

24 rogues left once whispyr has to play sub on an end boss again

[deft flicker]

If you exclude the duelist warrior rogues - yea

[grim jay]

Milk me daddy

[balmy condor]

I'm a sub main bro what do you mean?

literal sub rogue 1 trick

idk why they keep giving me the assa guide

I'm not allowed to ever play it

[blazing jewel]

You’re not a sub one trick until the ears go on

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

bro I put on BOTH sets of cat ears

trying to gather energy

[grim jay]

Wait until they force you to play outlaw

[balmy condor]

and it still didn't make sin viable

[blazing jewel]

You should give one set to your guilds boomie he’s from my previous guild

[balmy condor]

niko?

[blazing jewel]

Yea

[balmy condor]

niko is a game player

[serene fossil]

Milk me dry mommyyyyy

[balmy condor]

bro it's either way too late or way too early

idk where you live

but it ain't good

[serene fossil]

11am here

[grim jay]

11 am perfect time to milk

[balmy condor]

EUW gamer

yuck

[serene fossil]

I couldnt get up today bc no sleep so its good time for me

Milkable as fuck for you rn

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

This is one of the sentences of all time

[balmy condor]

even thanos couldn't snap that sentence out of me

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-midget-cowboy-sexy-pose-gif-12378920

[balmy condor]

is that a ronaldo deepfake

[brazen lantern]

[balmy condor]

my head hurts

[grim jay]

Actually a good question

Might just look like him tho

[silk bane]

can we get that deepfaake but like with tyler 1

[balmy condor]

it's in my vods somewhere, proof is left as an exercise to the reader

[spice spire]

True

[brazen lantern]

That would be a deepreal

[grim jay]

The real question is

[serene fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-wtf-gif-25758871

[balmy condor]

not from you brother

you lost your right to post that

[silk bane]

i mean the height already matches

[grim jay]

Why is the term that some people use for people that small banned? Is it actually an insult in todays society meta?

[serene fossil]

I aint losing anything im a winner

[balmy condor]

we had issues with it yes

[brazen lantern]

The one starting with m?

[spice spire]

The winner of today’s block maybe

[brazen lantern]

That one is an insult ye

[spice spire]

Yes

[serene fossil]

What r u guys on about

Wtf

[grim jay]

Alright. I got my message removed and a bot slid into my dms, was kinda confused

[balmy condor]

Davyn hit filter by saying the word "midget", which we had to add due to people being insulting about it

so

that's what this is about

[serene fossil]

Just block the bot

[grim jay]

Its nothing big over here, so I just wondered

[balmy condor]

yah blame NA dentbrains

[brazen lantern]

Na

[grim jay]

Actually

Parents sometimes call their kids Zwergnase

So basically m-word nose

[serene fossil]

Aint no way you just said “its nothing big here”

[grim jay]

Bro it just struck me

Im sorry

[brazen lantern]

The height memes in way more present in american culture anyways

[spice spire]

I stan short kings

[serene fossil]

Bc muricans say everythind under 50 🦶 is smol

Bc idiots

[balmy condor]

I was the tallest in my family

and then my mom's new husband

is 6'5

unlucky

[blazing jewel]

5’11 vs 6ft memes are top tier

[spice spire]

Ur taller than me dude

[tacit wedge]

SIze doesn't matter, i only care about r.io score when it comes to dating

[spice spire]

Wtf

[balmy condor]

I'm 6'1

[spice spire]

Yeah ur an inch taller than me dude

[serene fossil]

Freedom units

I cant

[tacit wedge]

185cm

[balmy condor]

bros quick with it

[serene fossil]

Quick maths

[brazen lantern]

Its cause americans know they will only ever like each others look and not personality, no one will ever love whatever is inside an average americans head

[grim jay]

We are the same height, neck wont hurt

[balmy condor]

no just my back

[spice spire]

You say that but I’m engaged. Checkmate buddy

[serene fossil]

Ur a big daddy bruv

[jade abyss]

Zwergnase its been a long time i heard it

[serene fossil]

[spice spire]

Found the one

[balmy condor]

yuh

[royal lantern]

cum

all i wanted to say o/

[serene fossil]

400 pounds or 600?

[brazen lantern]

Exceptions exist ofc

[spice spire]

[tacit wedge]

same, all the men i've dated were shorter than me

[grim jay]

We all love them long legged women

[brazen lantern]

My bf is bit shorter than me but we are like within 5 cm

[grim jay]

And whispyr

[balmy condor]

pounds? I thought you didn't want freedom units

[spice spire]

Val’s a good 15cm shorter since we’re in that time

[tacit wedge]

sometimes i'm like "i should wear heels more often, just to flex that i'm tall"

[royal lantern]

lol, manlet

[serene fossil]

Ive been into weightlifting a while now so i have to at least know the factor by which to divide/mulitply those freedom units to kg

[balmy condor]

I'm like between 86 and 90 kg

depends on how big the poop is

ya know

[serene fossil]

Smol daddy

[balmy condor]

like sometimes I'll just slam a whole fucking pizza

[deft flicker]

I feel smol now

[balmy condor]

and then I'm 90

[royal lantern]

ever had a shit that was so big, you got a boner?

[grim jay]

I'm between 100 and 106, depending on lifting season

[balmy condor]

can't say I have, no

[deft flicker]

Same height but like 65kg weight

[spice spire]

Bro what the fuck

[serene fossil]

Oh my, youre eating a whole pizza

[spice spire]

Am I reading

[grim jay]

Bro no you didnt just

[serene fossil]

[tacit wedge]

i wish i could get back 10sec ago when i didn't read that

[blazing jewel]

Sin chat is unhinged

[brazen lantern]

Taking big poop is like reverse anal

[spice spire]

What

The

Fuck

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-better-call-saul-mike-ehrmantraut-gif-26551023

[blazing jewel]

Go back to dooming right now

[verbal mantle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600441986981298227/1095019291570610317/babulehov_2023-04-07-19-13-46_1680884026735_online-video-cutter.com.gif

[spice spire]

Real

[deft flicker]

You ain’t wrong but I hate it

[brazen lantern]

Guys i hope sin gets buffed but Kush said sin looks good next raid

[serene fossil]

I mean its proven that a big shit stimulates the nerves that cause us to cum

[verbal mantle]

hey guys, new to rouge, do i need to press shiv on cd?

[tacit wedge]

💀

[balmy condor]

you're taking advice from marijuana?

[grim jay]

Thats just as disturbing as some women seemingly not knowing that most men dont wipe their D after taking a piss standing

[brazen lantern]

I love angry funny swedish ppl

I grew up watching forsen so i guess makes sense

[tacit wedge]

i miss Legion Fragnance, when it was about yelling, desk slams, and just going goblin mode

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-meme-question-gif-27529562

[verbal mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-meme-stare-staring-gif-27529560

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-meme-plink-cat-meme-plink-cat-gif-27534505

[brazen lantern]

Stop or im calling the bouncer

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-jerma985-jerma-plink-jerma-gif-27542855

[blazing jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-half-blink-gif-27531610

[balmy condor]

pick a path, more poe brainrot, or maplestory brainrot

[spice spire]

More poe

[balmy condor]

will do

[spice spire]

Reset is Sunday

Ur good for now

[balmy condor]

TRUE

so real

[royal lantern]

you post a gif of an PSYCOPATH mass murder riping a cat appart, yet im the unhinged guy???

[spice spire]

Gotchu king

[grim jay]

Seems like its a thing

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

why

[blazing jewel]

How do I delete someone else’s comment

[balmy condor]

are we still on this

[tacit wedge]

took a break from the pconc flaskfinder grind to level and gear a discount flaskfinder explosive conc, i refuse to play this dogwater league

[balmy condor]

I would delete it but then it would show up in the mod log

[brazen lantern]

Alright im calling the bouncer

[balmy condor]

and honestly

Idk if I want it there

[royal lantern]

just realised i made a typo, brb gon a fix it

[spice spire]

I’m going back to sleep

[brazen lantern]

The bouncer told yall to stop

[grim jay]

Curiosity got the better of me

[spice spire]

Glhf guys

[balmy condor]

this is good content

[blazing jewel]

She can’t stop us she can’t even read

[spice spire]

I love the bouncer. I obey

[brazen lantern]

She operates off of primal instinct

[blazing jewel]

[grim jay]

Ngl what tryan said somewhat seems to be primal instinct aswell

Alright gonna stop

[spice spire]

[brazen lantern]

[blazing jewel]

How many sin rogue alts do you all have for splits

Asking for a friend

[spice spire]

0

[tacit wedge]

ded spec Xd

[deft flicker]

0

[brazen lantern]

I played sin/outlaw then got bullied into sub

[royal lantern]

dont test me, or i bring up the dragon cum copypasta (but that one maybe gets me a mute )

[grim jay]

I actually dont know that one

Please elaborate (cant read so just post it)

[brazen lantern]

I have something like that as my guzzle whisper

[tacit wedge]

rolling arms war, i'm just pressing rallying shout

[deft flicker]

New warrior spec: Morale (Healer)

[tacit wedge]

new warrior spec : battlefield jester

we just drop banners and rallying shout

[deft flicker]

That’s Outlaw

[brazen lantern]

Shaco spec inc

[blazing jewel]

Isn’t that what arms warriors were before buffs

[tacit wedge]

no, pwar is the rallying shout provider

before buffs arms warrior were bench warmer

[grim jay]

Im still unsure if I want an arms or ret alt

[serene fossil]

Warrior alt

[grim jay]

WW is in the bin

[tacit wedge]

who tf plays ww

[blazing jewel]

WWs tuning is entirely dependent on how strong the bomb dispenser trinket is

Tuning to that is a direct aura buff or nerf to WW

[brazen lantern]

Is this the assassination classroom?

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

The 4p is shitty af

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/thierry-henry-smile-thierry-black-guy-funny-gif-20849730

[blazing jewel]

I have a pic for you give me a min

[grim jay]

Stupid af

Dunno how that went through

To me its the worst design of all of them

[steel ridge]

80% borrowed power 😄

[royal lantern]

ww monk moment

either OP as hell

or weakest spec in the game and ignored by blizz

no inbettwen

[steel ridge]

thats why i could never main ww

[grim jay]

Dunno like

I dont like fury much

So warrior is kinda the same for me

Since arms is either good or bad aswell

[rocky ruin]

fury is just who can harder smash the button

idk if th change since 10.0

[grim jay]

Could aswell play outlaw if I play fury

Kinda

[rocky ruin]

yea could ya

[grim jay]

Tbf

I enjoy spriest aswell

And it has the same issue

All my alts are doomed eventually

[rocky ruin]

Man i have 1 char its my rogue
all my alts are sitting at 60 still in Shadowlands and i never bother to touch them

[royal lantern]

no, because spriest isnt ignored

like, spriest gets ~2reworks each expac (and not even a meme)

ww monk is legit ignored all the time

[rocky ruin]

Arms did a get legion 7.2 rework too

and it helped

[grim jay]

Still ends up shit if its not strong mostly, no ?

[royal lantern]

yes, but atleast it gets attention

[empty hinge]

This trinket Will still get nerfed tho

Got nerfed one or two times already

[blazing jewel]

On the last ptr test is was like 4-5% overall for me which is still pretty high for a main stat trinket

[royal lantern]

spriest is the abused child that gets stuff thrown at them because they didnt get a A+ at a test once, and as punishment cant have fun for 4months

ww monk is the middle child

[rocky ruin]

Yesterday i saw on twitter some say a higher up from blizz told the mage tc or someone from discord
mage is fine the ppl need to learn
maybe blizz thinks so too about us

[deft flicker]

“You haven’t found the juice build”

[rocky ruin]

the juice build for me is to play sub or outlaw if 10.1 arrives

[grim jay]

The only "juice" in playing outlaw are the salty tears running down my face if I have to endure the torment thats called OL

[royal lantern]

i mean, same

but the torment is cus i have CTS

[deft flicker]

Don’t worry, we’ll get combat back as a tank spec in 11.0

[rocky ruin]

combat return is more realistic then the exsang rework at this point

[grim jay]

I take that back

Dont wanna get warned

[grim jay]

Here we gooo
#wowheadnews message

[deft flicker]

[serene fossil]

I GOT BAITED

https://tenor.com/view/ree-pepe-triggered-angry-ahhhh-gif-13627544

[frosty cedar]

are you guys looking forward to the assassination changes today

[rocky ruin]

you mean the changes that changes nothing in the end?

[shrewd night]

Brother

Idk what you are expecting at this point, but I admire your optimism

[serene fossil]

Im copiumized as fuck

[shrewd night]

[rocky ruin]

I mean what cyle of the ptr is it now 6 or 7?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-kermit-spin-laundry-swimming-gif-17359285

[strange python]

Is that recent

Because i think it doesnt do that much anymore

Right?

Bomb dispenser

[vestal wren]

still good

[hollow river]

Rogue in general is terribad. It’s been nerfed heavily since it was played a lot in the awc

[upper breach]

Never thought I'd say rogue needs some love but sin is fun and I want it to be my main alt in .1

[royal lantern]

rogue needs some love for a long time now

its the class where the "big shadowlands unprunning" was "crimson vial heals less, Slice&Dice is back"

[upper breach]

I haven't been keeping tabs on it but I've been playing it more recently and it do be down bad

[rare jackal]

majorca 💀

[pseudo hamlet]

Didn't they say that they were preparing for some Crimson Vial additional effects?

[royal lantern]

fuu is german in his hearth afterall

[royal lantern]

yes, something with pickpocketing

honestly

im glad it didnt became a thing

imagine having to Pickpocket random mobs for 30min before each raid

reminder that mobs that allready got Pickpocket used on, need to be killed so another rogue can do it again

[upper breach]

Maybe I'll just stick to my sv hunter if that happens

[balmy condor]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uFX_ZQCPerk

[rare jackal]

extremely based reference

i loved fanta vier back in the day

😍

[royal lantern]

found the 48y old

[deft flicker]

IIRC the pockets get refilled after like 5 minutes

[rare jackal]

90s and 2000s german hip hop was heat

[deft flicker]

Killing is probably faster though

[rare jackal]

28, but same thing basically 😭

[royal lantern]

1 and a half leg in the grave allready

[rare jackal]

just like assa 😬

[balmy condor]

My mom has fanta4 on cd rom bro

💀

[rare jackal]

based mom

[steel ridge]

lmao

[steel ridge]

ah right, you zoomers dont know CD players right

[shrewd night]

Cassettes

[slow needle]

LaserDisc.

[verbal mantle]

!purge this channel

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600441986981298227/1095019291570610317/babulehov_2023-04-07-19-13-46_1680884026735_online-video-cutter.com.gif

[slow echo]

Why is vanish always after secret technique?

[balmy condor]

Great question to ask the sub channel

(It’s just danse macabre stacks)

[royal lantern]

nope

[balmy condor]

Yep

[royal lantern]

its because you wanna keep SnD up, and you dont wanna use vanish shadowstrike really after dance cus gloomblade hits harder iirc

[balmy condor]

After sectec is still in dance

[royal lantern]

vanish sstrike is mostly for mobility, or just after sectech in the opener fur SnD

[balmy condor]

Or damage

During dance

Cause it’s increased strike damage

But yeah

[royal lantern]

its a mix of what we both say

[balmy condor]

Go off oomfie

[royal lantern]

wdym, works over in 10min, just in time to be onnline

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

I mean your first thing was snd, which doesn’t really explain why it’s after sectec, and your second thing was not using it instead of gloomblade, which doesn’t make sense because it’s still during dance

Which is why it’s dumb to say it’s a mix of what we both say

Considering you contributed nothing of value

That’s why go off oomfie

[royal lantern]

alleight, i think you got me wrong

or i said it bad again

probs #2

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

I'll have you know sub and outlaw got poisons

[brazen lantern]

Tbf that was nice

[steel spire]

Sub is cute 👀

[eager solstice]

Got CE last night and prog as assa

It felt good, I know after nerfs it really doesn’t matter but I don’t like sun

[vestal wren]

big gz

[eager solstice]

Thanks guy

[cursive frost]

Even after nerfs it matters friend, congrats on your achievement!

[tacit otter]

Gz man, I also got my first ce yesterday:)

[cursive frost]

Congrats mate

[spice spire]

Congrats dudes. Proud of you both

[opaque sky]

Dont forget to take the glyph where you turn into what you pickpocket

Then go pickpocket the giant lobstercrab guy in that one TBC dungeon that is a humanoid for some reason

This guy

He's a humanoid with pockets

And you turn into a giant crab

[thorn fjord]

You can take pick pocket grim totem too

[opaque sky]

And the star system chick from nighthold

[thorn fjord]

Can you pick pocket Guldan?

Take his fucking cookies too

[grim jay]

its a dude bro

[opaque sky]

Oh

Yes 🙂

[grim jay]

I dont know what he identifies as tho

[oak forum]

Does anyone have a good plater profile that changes nameplate colours depending on which dots we have on the mobs?

[storm belfry]

will we still be using cowl w eranog ring?

[grim jay]

if it doesnt get nerfed

[storm belfry]

man

idk i hate running old gear

[grim jay]

I mean

it could be worse

you could mainly play outlaw

or sub

so you would use it until late into/after 10.2 if it doesnt get nerfed/gets competition without stat rings

[storm belfry]

i guess

idk i just always hated using gear from a previous tier. i mean i cant complain cause i have the ring but still. let me use some new shit

[grim jay]

I'm heroic with socket gamer

we didnt have much luck on the ring from drops and I didnt get it in vault

but I would complain the same if I had it on m with socket

so

[unborn geode]

i hate having old gear as well... like it needs to be set where new stuff should always be better in some way... that includes nerfing older tiers after they are past

[storm belfry]

yep

i hope they nerf the ring

[upper breach]

Survival current tier set getting nerfed in .1

[violet jackal]

with puzzle box and grieftorch you are most likely holding the puzzle box use for the 2nd deathmark right?

[sweet dawn]

Yeah the current tier set is so good and the new one is so mediocre that survival was probably gonna stay with current tier in the next raid

xD

[steel ridge]

kekw

[sweet dawn]

"We felt like Unholy needed more damage outside their CDs"

[steel ridge]

golden

[unborn geode]

wheres our rogue love

[steel ridge]

wdym i am comfy being the underdog

[opaque sky]

Where do you see this

[steel ridge]

less pressure

[unborn geode]

thats true... being an underdog and being in the top 5 in dps is nice as sin

[steel spire]

Less pressure on the bench for sure🇼

[storm belfry]

Yeah I thought this was so funny

[steel ridge]

you get benched for being rogue?

[steel spire]

Not likely since all we need to function is 2 p for sub

But maybe 30 raiders signed up for next t

[unborn geode]

it depends on the group, what spec you play, and the number of people that show up to do the raids... when i used to main resto shaman i used to switch out with a holy priest depending on the fight

[steel ridge]

luckily i didnt get benched prog but for a few reclear bosses to give everyone vault slots

[sweet dawn]

The joys of being in a low-mid mythic guild is the only reason you'll be benched really is because there are too many people signed up for mythic that day

[unborn geode]

i haven't done mythic prog in a good bit as dps... i'm hoping to find a new group soon... but now idk if have the ability anymore... age has started catching up

[steel ridge]

whats a low-mid mythic guild?

[sweet dawn]

Guild that basically gets AOTC then tries some mythic, nothing super serious

On my realm it's basically the "best of the rest" guild, you have the real guilds that actually try and get CE, then you have us

[steel ridge]

RP realm?

[sweet dawn]

Nah just low pop EU realm

PVE

[steel ridge]

when i came back to the game 3 years ago i started again on my old rp-pve realm

theres currently 1 CE guild on that entire realmpool which consists of like 6 realms

[sweet dawn]

Like this our realm atm, I'm in Kronos

[misty holly]

Dang y'all here playing on real servers. I think 1 guild just recently got 3/8 on my server group.

[steel ridge]

lmao i left that realmpool 1.5 years ago

[royal lantern]

mythic players slowly move to 1 server

its the same what happend with factions tbh

people that wanna do endgame stuff, will go to the places where they can do it naturaly

[viscid spear]

[cobalt hemlock]

any tips for progging dathea is absolute hell

[steel ridge]

dont get hit

[cobalt hemlock]

seems like my server has 19 guilds that killed raza crazy

[cobalt hemlock]

man why didnt i think of that

[steel ridge]

mine even has 24 that did it so far

[sweet dawn]

Kill shit don't die

Best strat, works for all bosses

[steel ridge]

and 14 more guilds currently progging rasz

[steel ridge]

well not much you specifically can do but not die and dont fuck up charges

[steel spire]

Get picked to sit boss on dath

[peak bobcat]

decisions

[steel spire]

Damn

[cobalt hemlock]

suffering from succes

[steel spire]

Gt angle since pb gets nerf no?

[cobalt hemlock]

ya that seems to be the best

[peak bobcat]

is pbox getting slammed?

[steel ridge]

fucking juicer vault holy smokes

[peak bobcat]

about fucking time

the tier is over

[steel ridge]

what are your trinkets currently?

grieftorch might be relevant in 10.1

[peak bobcat]

415 pbox 411 torch and 421 current

[steel ridge]

421 box is much rarer tho

[spice spire]

Nightmare fuel

Multiple good choices

[steel ridge]

how big is your chance to drop a torch?

i mean, if it drops, how high are you on priority?

[peak bobcat]

these are the unknown questions

We will kill it every week but will it drop and will I get it

[steel ridge]

lootcouncil or dice?

😄

[peak bobcat]

council, im probably next

[dark token]

Unholy buffs were really cool kek

They really needed the help

[steel ridge]

if your next than you may risk it, 421 box + cct is really strong combo, torch is not that far ahead of cct is it?

[dark token]

Now top overall and top st

[steel ridge]

if you compare it to 6 more ilvl on box

[sweet dawn]

If you ask a unholy DK if they need to be nerfed they're all like "Nah bro, the fights are just too quick"

[peak bobcat]

its like 230dps or something

not even like 200

[steel ridge]

and cct pumps in cleave

[royal lantern]

i still laugh at the buff cus it was so stupid in 1 way

"we want to make unholy less reliant outside of its 3min window"

"army of the dead damage increased by 10%"

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[steel ridge]

still dont have a 421 cct, sad life

[pseudo hamlet]

what's cct? trinket from Kurog?

The Icon(421) and Puzzle Box(421) are simming highest for me currently

though CCT for M+ seems nice

[grim jay]

army dmg buff counts for apo aswell tho, so it somewhat does make sense

[royal lantern]

no

it doesnt

[grim jay]

it does lol

[royal lantern]

i mean, i know what you mean

but no

just no

[grim jay]

the question which I dont know the answer to

[uncut echo]

We're 5th!

That's awesome!

We don't need buffs either.

[royal lantern]

you dont make a spec better outside its main dmg cd, by buffing another dmg cd AND its main dmg cd

[grim jay]

is if there are talents mostly buffing army to the damage it does and thus the buff itself might not have that much impact on army window

[royal lantern]

that is just a straight buff to everything

[royal lantern]

nerf rogue

always op

[wary ice]

Sin doomed so hard they're hopeful for next patch

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

omg guys

its tuesday

you know what happens on tuesdays

rightttt

rogue changes

i need to learn survivabl

[gaunt moat]

There's higher chance for more DK buffs than rogue buffs

[subtle tundra]

opa

new wowheadarticle

assa the very bottom

👏

those week 2 hc nerfs are really coming in through

[serene fossil]

[gaunt moat]

The big news this week is unholy DK.
Look how it compares to everything else

[serene fossil]

Some dude at blizz: “bUt DaMaGe To BoSsEs”

[eager solstice]

Doesn’t seem like the devs think there’s an issue with assa. Def a disconnect between devs and community. Or we just don’t have the data that they have. Assa is playable but needs a few tweaks

[gaunt moat]

Maybe they take heroic performance more into considerstion than mythic

[grim jay]

cant even be mad about it considering more people do hc than m

[serene fossil]

Someone go look at the heroic shit then please

I cant rn

[storm belfry]

@oak tangle you play monk?

[oak sky]

Sin has been top on heroic pretty sure

[gaunt moat]

I still consider heroic as normal mode.
Truth is balance doesn't mean anything there.
So i hope they don't balance around heroic

[serene fossil]

Yeah just seen thst

Thats why they dont care

Rogues are fine

[serene fossil]

Look at the 2 pics i just posted, 1st is overall, 2nd is to bosses

They obv balance around that

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-hank-scorpio-homer-simpson-you-only-move-twice-gif-20385109

[grim jay]

just saying it wouldnt even be that stupid since it might please more people 😄

but ye it doesnt matter there as much

[uncut echo]

Sin rogue doesn't need the buffs you think it does
:)

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

[steel ridge]

how many weeks are we on the absolute bottom now?^^

[spice spire]

It’s garbage time in the tier

Who cares

[steel ridge]

probably 8?

[spice spire]

Next tier balance is all I’m thinking about

[gaunt moat]

10

[uncut echo]

Boss damage is what we're measuring off of :)

Apparently. :)

Because we're using that to argue why dk is good :)

[steel ridge]

boss damage doesnt matter at all if sin is the only spec that is actually using ST talents 😄

[uncut echo]

Then stop screencapping it and posing it as an excuse to take data that's actually irrelevant and make a case from it.

I know you haven't

But, like

Above

Omg guys! Dk so good?????

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/mage-mage-supremacy-hannah-girl-wow-gif-23990062

[uncut echo]

They're losing a 16-17% tierset in 3 weeks

[uncut echo]

You in keys last night fr

[viscid spear]

I didn't post a gif of someone lying on the floor tho

[uncut echo]

Yeah but you're smoking hot

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[storm belfry]

[uncut echo]

[steel ridge]

are those the virgins we sacrifice for good patchnotes?

[peak bobcat]

If they nerfed puzzlebox would assas be castle nathria bad?

[grim jay]

[viscid spear]

This is my Priest btw, I just happen to be doing TW

[spice spire]

No

[subtle tundra]

i havent touched box

this whole tier

thank god!

[grim jay]

great huge pixel blocks

behind your head

[viscid spear]

I play on low settings

[sweet dawn]

Their intent was to buff apoc but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... forgor that army of the dead is A LOT of their dmg

they forgor guys

[grim jay]

looks better

but

still no likey

[subtle tundra]

that ASSSSSS

[viscid spear]

Better?

[grim jay]

dunno like, the army is 25% of their damage in a 4 min fight, while a decent bit of that is apocalypse (assuming magus didnt get the buff considering its the talent and "Army of the Damned")

arbiter is the stronger part of their 3 min burst iirc

sadly seems like I cant split army for whatever reason in logs

[storm belfry]

[grim jay]

now we are talking cutie

[storm belfry]

you need a better staff to go with @viscid spear

[viscid spear]

But I like that one

[storm belfry]

like another color of it

[grim jay]

it actually fits

since the gear has green stoneys aswell

[storm belfry]

idk its too much green on staff

[viscid spear]

[burnt latch]

PTR GOING OFFLINE IN 9 MINUTES

its time

[grim jay]

bro like how disgusting is it

to do the class hall campaign

[indigo mulch]

Time for some disapointment! lets go!

[grim jay]

on a max lv char

[steel spire]

rogue buffs

[oak sky]

Why would you be disappointed when theres nothing to expect

[peak bobcat]

So true

[midnight mist]

stop lying

[viscid spear]

Well I'm actually using a sword

[oak sky]

Is that assassination main zac?

[midnight mist]

Yes its me

big sin main since cataclysm

well known here

[burnt latch]

ITS TRUE 7 MINUTES NOW

then they start cooking

[oak sky]

Blizz gave me a dagger guys

[storm belfry]

greeen is my fav color and thats a cool mage staff tbh but to me its just too much green. not subtle like the green gems on belf armor

[oak sky]

They would never force me off rogue for next tier

[midnight mist]

no its not

they do patches like way later

stop lying

[viscid spear]

Well the set I'm most proud of is my Necromancer set

[oak sky]

Its been different times tbh

[midnight mist]

always been in bed

[oak sky]

But its still a little early for sure

Its only 11 am for us rn sk

So

Its definitely been this early before or at least for beta and stuff but its definitely usually in the afternoon

[burnt latch]

WHAT

[storm belfry]

ooh i like that

[burnt latch]

why u not believe

do i need to log ptr

im no lier herbs dont lie

[burnt latch]

I DIDNT LIE

[tawny bloom]

NA?

[burnt latch]

i never lie

[midnight mist]

stop lying plant guy

[burnt latch]

thats ptr

never seen a herb lie they never do

[oak sky]

Lye

[tawny bloom]

ah something that i only open vault on anyway to see if i have more luck

[viscid spear]

I just switched to a fiery version of that sword for the red set from earlier

[spice spire]

Sin main Zac