assassination

[uncut echo]

I mean, yeah

He objectively taught hundreds how to play this class in DF

Of course we're all thanking him

[near valley]

I should add the /s next time

[uncut echo]

Probably

You know you're allowed to take a break, right

[upper trail]

Im out of copium

[uncut echo]

That's great honey <3

[storm forum]

No break only casino

[midnight mist]

Wrong channel come back to us

[somber sparrow]

I've tried changing to sub from assassination, and always find myself switching back. So it's sad to hear what state they have left us in for 10.1. I remember when I quit the game 5 years ago that the ongoing joke for a decade was that they usually never put anything rogue related in the patch notes.

[near nacelle]

yes fr thank you very much Whispyr for everything you do for the spec ❤️

[near valley]

Sin channel sucking people dry of cope

[upper trail]

@midnight mist wrong channel come back to us

[vague widget]

Premium Doomium here.

[uncut echo]

The spec is objectively stuck in cataclysm

It performs numerically okay (rn)

It doesn't in 10.1

We'll get the tuning pass that others got in heroic week 1

surely

surely

[near valley]

1 step forward and 3 step back

My kind of dance

[uncut echo]

I mean

Idek man

[midnight mist]

Sorry I got bored nothing is happening in outlaw

[upper trail]

slow mode

cringe

[sonic schooner]

Zac ily u cute

UwU

[near valley]

Oh so we still have hope in this channel

[uncut echo]

I mean I'm always hopeful!

[midnight mist]

[near valley]

Count how many stars are in the sky

[upper trail]

me too

[rotund wagon]

Assassination has always had the largest reserves of Hopium

[uncut echo]

You could slide into my DMs Zac?

[rotund wagon]

Stored right next to our finely aged doomium

[upper trail]

i just dont understand how the whole class essentially goes a whole tier + an entire PTR cycle with no changes

[near valley]

If I actively focus on @terse rover profile pic I end up laughing

[upper trail]

its very french

[near valley]

Baguette Pooh is peak comedy and idk why

[midnight mist]

Don't bully my little guy

[upper trail]

Quebecois or French?

[near valley]

Si

[midnight mist]

Wtf

Why would I be quebecois

[upper trail]

why not

[near valley]

Canada

[midnight mist]

Bro

[upper trail]

LOL

[midnight mist]

Are you a quebec Guy?

[balmy condor]

people just associate outlaw players with the worst crowds

[midnight mist]

Yeah right

[near valley]

Must be something about the name outlaw

[upper trail]

I live in QC

anglo tho

[near valley]

Anglo deez

[midnight mist]

[upper trail]

hahaha

born and raised

[midnight mist]

So you cant even speak french then

[upper trail]

oh I do, fluently.

[midnight mist]

No i meant french

[near valley]

Omelette du fromage mon ami

[fading wigeon]

Go Habs Go!

[midnight mist]

Not whatever the fuck you guys speaking over there

[burnt latch]

Outlaw in slow mode so all the yellow names invade OT2

[upper trail]

Yeah it's definitely not "french"

[near valley]

Mass exodus

[fading wigeon]

I come here for everything except assasination talk

[upper trail]

But i visited France a few times and i got by 🙂

tried to be as clear as I could but it is different

[near valley]

Everyone knows true French comes from Senegal

[upper trail]

Haiti**

lol

[near valley]

Creole is something else

Something fun but something else

[midnight mist]

I mean you would probably be disappointed coming into sin channel expecting assassination talk

[upper trail]

Why would you talk about assassination? The spec is 16 expacs old and nothing has changed

[midnight mist]

Don't think i actually ever saw people talk about assassination in here actually

[rotund wagon]

HEY THATS....tru

[fading wigeon]

What are you talking about we dont use Crimson tempest on single target anymore

[burnt latch]

I was playing assa on zkarn today

[fading wigeon]

Huge conversation starter

Great on first dates

[burnt latch]

Felt pretty good

IC stonks add every minute

[near valley]

Sin channel is where I try out my shitposting

[upper trail]

using an AoE spell in ST biggest news in 13 years on the sin forums

[fading wigeon]

Life changing

[near valley]

What a baller

[rotund wagon]

arent we likely about to again?

[vague widget]

The most finesse of this current iteration is to not exsang your dm. Big sad.

[upper trail]

it's kind of hilarious actually

[fading wigeon]

Probably not after the nerf

[vague widget]

I think the most common questions in this chat are what poisons to use and when to puzzle box.

[near valley]

Rogue as a whole hasn't changed a whole lot

Barring combat ofc

[rotund wagon]

RIP

[fading wigeon]

What is a puzzle box? I'm in s2 already. Doesnt exist

[vague widget]

And now no one asks because neglected class is abandoned. Lf home.

[near valley]

Rogue being one of the most popular classes to one of the least

[fading wigeon]

I heard the lock discord is great

[upper trail]

i know some people say its doomer or wtv but the class has been pretty neglected

[near valley]

[upper trail]

The lock discord is fucking awful

no cap

[near valley]

DH discord used to be the worst

Like literal brain rot

[buoyant herald]

Warlock disc was pretty bad last time I checked

[upper trail]

i found it really unwelcoming, like ask a question and instead of getting an answer you just get ridiculed. feels like shit TBH

[bronze pike]

That’s lock discord for u

[buoyant herald]

Yeah it was pretty toxic like that

[bronze pike]

Which is why I strut in and cause havoc

Whenever lock gets a non nerf

https://tenor.com/view/mario-strikers-battle-league-waluigi-strut-strutting-walk-gif-25959789

[near valley]

Gotta start your conversation with buff warlock

Then they'll listen to whatever u have to say

[buoyant herald]

Just claim it’s ignored

[bronze pike]

Just sys lock isn’t propped up by pi

And they’ll go crazy

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

OL chat spilling over in to sin

https://tenor.com/view/anger-management-jack-nicholson-yes-duh-nods-gif-5222702

[runic hinge]

I was wondering why so many yellow names and then I saw they were in slowmode

[storm belfry]

what do they have to doom about?

[rotund wagon]

they are as bad as us now

on ptr

[storm belfry]

I thought they just got a buff or something

[oak sky]

yeah rogue sucks on ptr

like 20% below the best classes or something like that

[storm belfry]

[crisp burrow]

Lol I got the exact thing from the frost dk discord of all places.

[timid haven]

Can anyone tell me if your supposed to deathmark before or after applying bleeds for them to be duplicate?

[spice spire]

Usually after, but this is kind of in the FAQ

[hexed flicker]

I had a guy do that here when I first joined. Pretty sure a mod smacked him with a mute for being a douche.

[spice spire]

It honestly doesn’t matter for general PvE, are you asking for PvE or pvp?

[timid haven]

Both really

[spice spire]

Like you want to follow the opener, but if it’s not static, so if you’re in pandemic and want to refresh, it’s free

Pvp is a whole different thing and #pvp would know more, but for PvE? The big thing is to not exsanguinate after you dm

Since dm itself is a bleed, you’d be halfing it

[strange python]

Warlock discord TCs/community figures make me appreciate some of my most hated rogue commenters

[storm belfry]

[timid haven]

Ya I did that and felt the pain lol

[spice spire]

even the most seasoned rogues have done it on a prog fight. Don’t feel too bad

But yeah, it’s not a static thing, so mid fight, however is fine, but obviously follow the opener as applicable

[timid haven]

Thanks

[strange python]

See: my profile pic

[spice spire]

Broke: don’t exsanguinate dm
Woke: if you have a certain kill timer that won’t allow you to get full value off dm, maybe you can exsanguinate your final dm

(I am not serious)

[storm belfry]

quake

[spice spire]

I am here to make you question yourself.
Always

[storm belfry]

are you gonna roast me like a marshmellow soon

[spice spire]

I’m gonna keep it a buck

I forgot

Taking George out and I’ll do it before sleep

Gotchu

[storm belfry]

no worries its why i asked

[spice spire]

I’m glad you did

I’m an idiot

[storm belfry]

might have some more after tonight

we are doing dathea then kurog. we did brood and the others last night. then lockout for raz reclear next week

[spice spire]

glad to help

[storm belfry]

i dont think im in on raz next week

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

its okay tbh the ones who were in already need to get it

like the few that was on the bench ya know

least they let me in for every othjer boss

[fleet pagoda]

is there a reason garrote's still on a 6s cd?

like is just spamming garrote some super OP tech that we shouldn't access? I don't want to necessarily spend a dungeon casting garrote but I'm getting tired of feeling like I need to calculate the optimal use of this button while also trying to juggle stops and ints and two other bleeds

and maintaining SnD while fishing for PB*

[unreal bear]

their justification is probably "it does a lot of damage" and want you to think before using it or something

i've never really considered it being on no cd

[fleet pagoda]

it just feels off when that's accounting for all of our damage, and maintaining it on 4 targets in a context without improved garrote isn't even possible

it just feels like it's hindering the accessibility of the spec in keys

but maybe that's because i'm fat and old and bad at sports

[unreal bear]

i think it's a spec that shows its age

[limber walrus]

honestly they need to redesign Improve Garrote into applying Garrote to multiple enemies when use from stealth instead of making us apply it manually

[unreal bear]

kind of kills the value of IC, no?

[limber walrus]

Yea I think IC's design is part of the problem of our AoE damage not being serviceable. Its really clunky compared to how other classes and specs AoE rotation

[storm forum]

I like IC, it's a nice bandaid

[sweet dawn]

What so like make garrotes from stealth apply to your target + 2 nearby ones?

[limber walrus]

yea instead of no CD for 3 secs

[sweet dawn]

That has its own problems though I think, right? Like in cases where you can't restealth, and it only helps on the pull and with vanish, doesn't help maintain the garrote on other targets without tabbing and using on CD

[spice spire]

I played feral once. And I hate ic now

Primal so good

[storm belfry]

let IC apply its own bleed as well as garrote and rupture

and uncap it

🤡

[spice spire]

Let ic apply dm

[runic hinge]

And make it 30 second cd

[spice spire]

Nah cd is whatever

45 still pretty low ngl

[sweet dawn]

Make crimson tempest ignite

Job done, best change ever

[runic hinge]

I want it for every pack in my scrub keys thank you

[spice spire]

Let me introduce you to our lord and savior

Garret 1, garret 2, garret 3

[sweet dawn]

GARETH?!

[runic hinge]

Very nice dudes.

[spice spire]

There’s a disturbing lack of brah knowledge in here rn

[keen spruce]

almost broke 3rd shield

we're cuttin it too damn close

closin in on 300 pulls of brazzergath

[gaunt moat]

Getting through intermission consistently?

[unreal bear]

friend's guild just got to second intermission and is feeling confident

i don't have the heart to tell them

[gaunt moat]

about what hah

[unreal bear]

"there's no way we spend that much time wiping on intermission"

[gaunt moat]

It's not that bad

We only had 2 tries on 2nd intermission, but I feel like it's very doable

[steel spire]

those balls

[unreal bear]

im watching their rogue's pov and still watching them get clapped by breaths

prog doesnt look too bad tho

[gaunt moat]

our issue was we nuked one add too fast because we have too much melee

[steel spire]

we also held on first up to 30%

[gaunt moat]

that's where we at:

[unreal bear]

think you're good for CE?

[gaunt moat]

I think there's a chance it dies this week

[unreal bear]

huge

these guys are probably limited by an inconsistent roster

i think they're with their 15th healer because they keep leaving

[gaunt moat]

yeah we also had our best dps leave last week. was recruited by top 300 guild, so he left on good terms

[unreal bear]

yeah, unfortunate but good for him

[gaunt moat]

this was our P2 progression though, we got through it pretty well i think

[red cloak]

quick question, is it normal to be energy starved? just changed to sin, so I'm not 100% savvy on that part and I read here that haste isn't very good, but vers is even worse lol

[gaunt moat]

Yes

[unreal bear]

haste/vers aren't terrible, they're just sub-optimal

[gaunt moat]

there will be times where you've got nothing.

[red cloak]

well I have a ton of vers I wanna drop but it's from mostly pvp gear

[gaunt moat]

But you're not supposed to be energy starved all the time, if that's what you're asking

[unreal bear]

i usually starve out ~2 mins after opener

otherwise you're just maintaining so dont sweat it too much

[red cloak]

no, just sometimes. I need to get used to using ER and Shiv

[unreal bear]

dont have to throw out envenoms endlessly

[red cloak]

oh

[red cloak]

this is probably what did it

cuz I only had mutilate and envenoms left to do

and mut is expensive

[unreal bear]

it's not like assassination used to be where you keep elaborate planning up as much as possible. most of your damage is from dots

[gaunt moat]

you envenom on 5-6CP

[red cloak]

yeah I know

[gaunt moat]

then you're good

[red cloak]

okay so it's not bad to sit and auto for a bit sometimes

[unreal bear]

not at all

pooling is normal

[red cloak]

kk good just felt weird coming from sub

[gaunt moat]

pooling isn't really integral now for sin though

[red cloak]

I feel like I do no damage as sub anymore besides my 6 second burst and if something ruins it gg

[unreal bear]

if bleeds are rolling and timers aren't short, you can pool for a bit. just dont envenom over refreshing rupture/garrote in pandemic

[red cloak]

yeah I made my WAs glow red when I need to refresh them for pandemic

[sweet dawn]

If you're at 6 CP and low energy with envenom buff you can wait before you spend right? Just to get some energy back

[unreal bear]

i would think that's fine if everything is up. only thing you're "gaining" is a refreshed EP/Envenom buff or a poison bomb proc but im dumb

[red cloak]

I'm so sad we don't use kingsbane anymore

I dont know how I feel about DTB yet

[unreal bear]

free damage no thought

[gaunt moat]

It's almost impossible for envenom buff to drop. don't need to think too hard about pooling.
but you can wait sometimes 1-2 seconds if garrote or rupture is about to fall off instead of envenom

[unreal bear]

as long as you're not capping energy, it's not like you've got a lot of opportunities to lose out on energy

[red cloak]

yeah bc mut is 50 energy lol that is so much

and garrote is 45 and ambush is 50 jesus

[gaunt moat]

no but what are you gaining

[unreal bear]

in respect to what

[red cloak]

I dont see how I could ever cap energy without accidentally spamming thistle tea

[gaunt moat]

@red cloak that's why we have so many tools to to get CPs other than garrote now

Ambush, ER, SBS, shiv

[red cloak]

SBS, Shiv, ER I'm assuming?

oh and blindside yeah

[gaunt moat]

and then as you've said, TT when needed on top of that

[unreal bear]

i hate SBS so much

[red cloak]

lol

[gaunt moat]

why's that

[red cloak]

I would hate it if it wasnt 3 charges

[unreal bear]

it feels awkward mostly

i think it does slightly more dmg than a muti for less energy, travel time for CP, infinite bleed

just feels like a weird spell but i never played shadowlands

[red cloak]

question, for AoE do we spam FoK?

when I was sub i spammed shuriken storm and black powder really simple

[balmy condor]

fok on 3+

[red cloak]

but I know FoK doesnt fill your cp every cast like SS does

so we just replace Mut with FoK?

[balmy condor]

yes

[red cloak]

interesting okay

and then just dump on CT and use IC before packs or during if it takes too long?

[runic hinge]

If flying daggers made fok give a combo point for every enemy hit would it still be trash

[balmy condor]

IC from stealth at the start of packs, or if it's a long pack you just send it again

[balmy condor]

no it would be a must take and completely ruin the entire point of seal fate in m+

it would be so rotationally warping

would go from a trash talent to like

stronger than a capstone

[runic hinge]

Dang

[red cloak]

lol that's baseline Shuriken Storm tho

[balmy condor]

they're different specs

[red cloak]

yeah you right

when do I ever forego rupture for ct?

[balmy condor]

you rupture/garrote until you have enough energy

always maintain CT

and then you either envenom or ct spam

or both

choice is yours

[red cloak]

does that depend on how many targets there are

[balmy condor]

not really

[red cloak]

then why would I envenom over ct in aoe

[balmy condor]

because poison bomb exists

[red cloak]

is there a reason

oh

tru

okay makes sense

[balmy condor]

in general if you don't have a prio or things are spread out

go for CT

otherwise envenom

[red cloak]

makes sense good good

hopefully this feels more consistent than sub for me

[balmy condor]

first time anyone has ever said "made sense" about assassination's aoe rotation

[red cloak]

cuz I love sub but I cant do it rn lol

[balmy condor]

assassination aoe is such a mess

[red cloak]

I think that's why I ditched it for sub

[runic hinge]

My friends tell me I could do much better as sub but I just don’t find it that fun

[rocky ruin]

i think a lot of ppl are switching to sub for 10.1

[red cloak]

oh why is that

before I hardwire myself into sin

[buoyant herald]

It seems to be looking like the “best” choice if you only want to focus on one spec

[red cloak]

is there a pin or link I can read

I'm in a raid or I'd check

[sweet dawn]

Assassination aoe really do be like "ST till you get your energy fix, then 1 aoe spender and back to ST bois

"

[rocky ruin]

i mean you can stay on assa i will do the same, but in the end would sub be the better for 10.1
if you don't like outlaw and sub would be the only choice

[sweet dawn]

We're hardcore doomers

[rocky ruin]

nah i accept that assa is getting the sub treatment from bfa

[sweet dawn]

I just like stabbin

[red cloak]

mmm we will see

[balmy condor]

cause sin and sub are looking about the same as right now but sins tier is pretty painfully mediocre and sub does basically everything better already

like sub is better aoe, better single target

and there's nothing coming in 10.1 to change that

[red cloak]

then why do I feel useless as sub lol

[gusty mirage]

sub's 4pc doesn't work right now and the 2pc is hot ass garbage

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[red cloak]

weird I dont feel useless as sin idk maybe u right

[balmy condor]

assassination tier works and is hot ass garbage

checkmate

[gusty mirage]

I mean the part that works for sub is awful

and the 4pc even if it works

[deft vault]

sub 2piece is awful to play with

[gusty mirage]

is awful

[deft vault]

it doesnt even add up the duration of symbols is just add pandemic to it

[gusty mirage]

also the sin tier set does decent damage

it's just boring

unlucky

[rocky ruin]

Yea maybe you can stick to assa no problem at all, but it will become one
if you put more effort to it and other specs can do the same as you do
will less effort

[red cloak]

I don't dislike sin I just liked the crazy burst I had with sub and I was pvping more often but now I feel useless

[rocky ruin]

It's like whispyr said skill diff

[red cloak]

I want to be offended but I know you're right

I been working too much havent been able to put the time in

[rocky ruin]

i know, i would stay assa too
but if assa is gonna stay behind the other 2 spec
then well

[red cloak]

I think I just get railed by all melees bc I'm 391 ilvl

i dont really have as many issues with casters

except hunters but they're hunters

[deft vault]

oh youre talking about pvp

[red cloak]

and elite mobs

idk man I have hella pvp armor and vers and I still cant do anything

everyone got like 350k+ hp

[deft vault]

Do you have pvp gear?

[red cloak]

ret pally smacks me for half my hp with 1 judgement lol

yeah

[deft vault]

whats your pvp ilvl

[red cloak]

idk I'll check once I kill rasz

[limber walrus]

as is if you can't re-stealth you can't applied the Improved Garrote anyway, changing it to apply to multiple targets when use from stealth instead of garrote not having a CD and manually applying it to targets would smooth out the opener in AoE. In addition I would like to see IC and CT get combined into one ability and be like Shadow Priest's Shadowcrash for Rupture and Garrote.

[rocky ruin]

IC cd is 45 sec and still to much, FoK is feels kinda weird to use if pressing 3-4 times to get 6 cp and use for ct or rupture
for sub is like 1-2 ss bam 6-7 combo points

[red cloak]

yeah dude ss > bp > ss > bp

super easy

ss > sd + symbols > bp > ss > evis > shadowstrike > sectech

then spam bp

it's ridiculous

[rocky ruin]

its boring i get that but, its also boring pressing fok so much for one ct or rupture

[red cloak]

idk I think its fun lol

[royal lantern]

you guys have no idea about sub

you are ALSO doing ss->rupture to apply the dot on 2targets in 2GCD's, while also doing more dmg thann the bleed spec with it

[red cloak]

replicating shadows yeah

[brazen sluice]

idk why u joking on sub while we still have BM hunters exists in the game

[royal lantern]

assa spending 3-5 gcds for a single rupture on 5targets, meanwhile sub needs 4gcds to get a rupture on all of them, while also doing more dmg with it

[royal lantern]

more of an "why does sub have better multidotting then the dot spec"

[brazen sluice]

who saied assassination is a dotting spec ?

[red cloak]

ya mama

[true basalt]

We also have a 6 second cd dot

[balmy condor]

world of warcraft over the last 15+ years

[royal lantern]

the fact that its mastery is bleed and poison based, 90% of its talents are bleed and poison based, and the major cd is litearlly duplicating your dots?

idk man

[balmy condor]

arcane hasn't had a single tuning pass all expansion

they're down bad too

[royal lantern]

mage is same as rogue rn

like

just total silence

the average outlaw only brain that thinks ambush>pistol>dispatch is peak gameplay

[strange storm]

no changes better than some changes happening rn

comming from ww discord, things are in shambles after the tuning

[gaunt moat]

can't have ww doing ST damage amirite?

[median root]

is ww also looking bad? redesigned tier good or no?

[gaunt moat]

ww tier said increases their ST damage.
But afaik it also increased damage from sources, like trinkets.
it was changed to only increase damage from flameshadow-nova (2p bonus).
so it's not as good now.

[gusty mirage]

They just nerfed the tier that they just buffed

[true basalt]

atm they sim lower than this season... on ptr

[rigid tartan]

Sub better st than assa? Assa still simming higher and doing more st in logs outside of adds right? Maybe I’ve been out of the loop but I missed when that happened.

[balmy condor]

assa is simming lower and is worse on terros, worse on kurog, worse on eranog

the only fight assassination is better currently is maybe sennarth

[vestal wren]

10.0.7 did move all 3 closer together, the onyx ring gives sin the least benefit of the 3

[balmy condor]

sennarth timers are still kinda good for sin

but yeah

10.0.7 ring = assa in the dumpster

[austere fulcrum]

Interesting fact, my 408 diurna ring sims higher than any other fully upgraded ring. ( i have head piece ) but when i go target dummy ST it is the opposite. Any useful comments on that ?

Other ring is crit mas swith socket 418

You are totally right on SIM but i spend good 2 hours on optimizing my gear. + that much versa feels meeh on assa

I feel like loosing so much stat since one of our ring does not give stats anymore

[royal lantern]

jokes on you, i do

[austere fulcrum]

Did u actually try yourself other than sim ? Just asking out of curiosity @eternal nymph

Okay , i ll take your word. Thank u @eternal nymph

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor new cooking incomming: Poison bomb has a 20%proc chance, increased by 10% for each active Rupture/garrote

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cooking-perro-dog-dangerrfox-gif-23889683

[rocky ruin]

It sound good if it was real

[misty holly]

They don't want to make any changes right now because a rework is being designed for 10.1.5. Kind of a waste to do tuning on the current version when it's getting scrapped soon.

[royal lantern]

i thought that was our copium for assa in 10.0 and 10.7

[tawny bloom]

10.3 will surely be our holy grail

[vestal wren]

there is 10.1.5, 10.1.7, 10.2, 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 before that

[tawny bloom]

sure but knowing blizzard hoping for any change means lots of copium

[gaunt moat]

They don't wanna do tuning because the new evoker spec buffs assassination too much

[rigid tartan]

I see, havent kept attention, thanks for explaining

[vestal wren]

#tc-research message
if you want to look at numbers

[minor gate]

This is so sad

Alexa play dancing in the moonlight

[thorn fjord]

Alexa play Projectile Ovulation

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Forced Gender Reaasignment is a banger

[burnt latch]

i had one of those for christmas

love the strawberry flavor

[uncut echo]

Thats wild I thought they were off the shelves by now

[viscid spear]

Alexa play I Cum Blood

[brazen zodiac]

hey i got detention for playing that in the lunch room one day

[gray crest]

Have you guys discovered the top tier genre of music from Toad sings?

[brazen zodiac]

i personally think if you listen to the words you find the meaning you know

[viscid spear]

Fun work shirt

[brazen zodiac]

HEHE

my iss teacher didnt appreciate it thats for sure

[winter gale]

For raiding, assa looks worst out of 3 specs?

Going into 10.1*

Number wise

[rotund wagon]

Pretty sure right now they are all dumpster tier so doesn’t matter lol

[chilly viper]

@vestal wren Is it looking like Crimson tempest in ST ?

[rotund wagon]

Play what feels fun

[winter gale]

All 3 specs are garbo?

[vestal wren]

possible

[vestal wren]

no

[spice spire]

Can’t give definite until we get finalized into 10.1

[vestal wren]

people draw early conclusions about 10.1

[rotund wagon]

Now we prayge for tuning

[vestal wren]

and take raid testing numbers too seriouse

tuning will happen

just a reminder

subtlety looked to be #1 in dps in SL beta

to just be lower 3rd once the raid released

and considerable just bad

[winter gale]

Yes, haha

[chilly viper]

we have 3 dps specs, surely one of them will be decent

[winter gale]

Thing is that I am 5 times better as assa due to time spent

[vestal wren]

it is easy to forget that Public TEST ream is not a final product

[rotund wagon]

Hey the squeakiest wheels are getting loads of grease right now. Shadow gets reworks every other patch. Complaining has never been more rewarded

[chilly viper]

Wasn't testing without 10.1 tier sets too?

[spice spire]

They had sets

[chilly viper]

the new ones?

[vestal wren]

outlaaw did show up well due to a buggy set

that did a lot more than itended

[spice spire]

It’s one thing to say “current PTR looks x.” It’s another to draw conclusions tho

[spice spire]

They fixed it yesterday

[vestal wren]

yes

i was about to say

[spice spire]

Set does not look good

[vestal wren]

the reason you probably see more negativity in #outlaw is that this bug was fixed

[chilly viper]

I was liking the sub one tho

Having symbols for every dance must feel good

• most likely playing 2 dances

Castle Nathria sub was so fun

[dull cloak]

I don't think 2 dance will ever see play in its current t form

[near valley]

at least it's a conversation starter

[dull cloak]

it's not like past talent where u get more cdr to really make use of the extra dance

[viscid spear]

No one wants to talk to me, I'm scary

[spice spire]

Least scary mf I know

[near valley]

[chilly viper]

I just can't wait to not play 2 channeling trinkets lol

[near valley]

you're scary

[viscid spear]

First impressions, brubby

[vestal wren]

the 4p of sub looks meh

outlaw set probably the one i like the most design wise

[chilly viper]

Yea?

[near valley]

another point for outlaw

[chilly viper]

Does the soulrip procs often

[near valley]

[vestal wren]

but also sets might be too weak

[near valley]

wish they just fixed the bug earlier rather than later

[viscid spear]

Have you seen Frost Mage? There's talk of gping 2p 2p next tier

[near valley]

noice ad

[chilly viper]

Still time for tuning

[near valley]

@vestal wren on top of his game

[chilly viper]

Blizz low key forgot about Rogue's existence though

[viscid spear]

Tbf it was a terrible time for someone to post an ad

[near valley]

imagine getting the aoe part of ur set nerfed when ur aoe sucks

[viscid spear]

We ST gamers fo sho

[vestal wren]

thats what i assume subtlety migth do too

need to run simulations

and tier set at least on sub seems to have room for apl changes

so sill not 100% on how it will play out

[near valley]

is The Rotten still looking like the play?

[viscid spear]

You guys haven't gotten much attention so I'm sure they'll tweak something

[vestal wren]

its more a alternative build we explore

[near valley]

oh thank god

[vestal wren]

could end up just equal or worse than more standard ones

but i would wait and see how it plays out

[vestal wren]

i have the fear that tuning won't happen before first raid week

but who knows

[near valley]

RWF is where most of the tuning happens i'd reckon

or just before*

[vestal wren]

rwf has a big issue

because they need to decide in advanced what to prepear

[near valley]

oh yeah rthat's true

[viscid spear]

Well Quake finna see me shine on ST and then be below our tanks on anything above 3 targets

[vestal wren]

like

asusme rogue gets late tuning

rwf won't play rogue if it looks bad

just because they need to make predictions from ptr

[near valley]

so next 2 weeks should have peak tuning then

[vestal wren]

tho i assume there is a certain flexibility given how many chars people prepeare

[near valley]

the amount of splits though

[viscid spear]

I'm working on my SPriest

[near valley]

might be an ele shaman type season ngl

[viscid spear]

Man, I could never get into Shaman

[vestal wren]

i think rogue will end up decent/good

[near valley]

but zappity zappity

[vestal wren]

the majority won't be impacted by early balancing issues

[near valley]

as long as one rogue spec is fun to play next season i'm all good

[viscid spear]

But icy icy

[spice spire]

Mage mains

[near valley]

frost shock

[viscid spear]

[near valley]

no need to kick mages while they're already 6ft under

[spice spire]

TFW you gaslight your other rogue to go mage for a tier 2 tiers ago, and he hasn’t been able to leave yet

[viscid spear]

Where else is Quake's casters going to get their Intellect

[spice spire]

Idk but looking at last tier

They didn’t get enough 💀

[near valley]

damn

[viscid spear]

Poor Sneak, no wonder she moonlights as a crazy person when we're not raiding

[spice spire]

Can’t say I blame her

Me messaging Kwanz 30 minutes a day

[vestal wren]

who is kwanz

[near valley]

kwanza

[spice spire]

My warrior. He’s a very thick jokester

He’s insane gameplay wise. Like top 5 I’ve ever played with. But sometimes it’s like talking to a wall

And she runs like 60 keys a week with him

[viscid spear]

At this point you need to understand that we're all psychopaths. It's the blind leading the blind, except we're somehow terrifying

[spice spire]

Her mental has to be insane because he’s very troll

[vestal wren]

haha lol

[spice spire]

He’s the kind of tank that says “okay, I’m pulling the room” and you think he’s joking, but he’s not

[vestal wren]

sounds like a nice person to be around

[spice spire]

Kwanz is lovely actually. My entire guild has their gubs but if I didn’t like them, I wouldn’t raid with them.

He’s also very helpful on the gameplay side of things as well. Man should be in a far better guild than he is, but his work schedule prevents that

[near valley]

the best kind of tank

[spice spire]

That’s how you top AV as sin

She unfortunately heals though so

[minor gate]

They’re nerfing leech as well

[thorn fjord]

And their reason behind it is funny lol

[minor gate]

I was really tired when I read but was just “damn not a single rogue note since our tier Nerf and we’re still getting nerfed”

[balmy condor]

They’re nerfing the stat

So leeching poison buffed technically

In the grand scheme of leech

[thorn fjord]

Buff speed

GIVE ME MORE SPEED

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

Let’s get real though the leech change was just healer nerf though

No one in the raid has leech aside from healers

[thorn fjord]

leech change should only affect like 1% of the player base lol

[near valley]

won't shed tears over losing leech

[thorn fjord]

Leech? Never knew her

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

I won’t even be losing leech

[near valley]

btw what was that thing in SL that gave u more damage when you were disarmed

[balmy condor]

The only way I ever get leech is if it drops on a dagger

[frosty cedar]

one of our healers has 18% leech his healing breakdown is sus

[keen aurora]

I'm pumped ele sham looks viable but bummed that it's really only the lightning build

[royal lantern]

nah, its simply

5% healing means 5% of your dmg or healing done as healing for yourself

in a raid, you do a aoe heal that heals 5people for 50k(so 250k in total) and them get 5% for yourself

or when you use a healing cd, you litearlly heal all 20players at once and them get 5% for yourself

leech is strong on healers, cus with enough leech they never heal themself anymore, healing other tops themself

[frosty cedar]

he out here leeching

[frosty cedar]

It's nuts when u put it like that

Healer moment I guess

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats what healing cd's are supposed to do

most aoe healing is mana heavy and 4-6targets

CD's are everyone and extremely mana efficent

[royal lantern]

ye, holy priest is even more ridicolous cus echo of light doubledips

[frosty cedar]

they get leech from their class tree too I think

[royal lantern]

you heal people->leech heals you->echo of light is applied cus its the mastery->leech heals on every tick of it again

[storm belfry]

Gm kings and queens. And doomers

[royal lantern]

doomers are in #outlaw now

[storm belfry]

True. Aren’t they dead

[royal lantern]

this channel hit the next stage of grief, depression

[storm belfry]

It was inevitable. They were powerful cause of a bug yeah?

[royal lantern]

not even powerfull

now the bug is fixed

and its legit dogshit, like assa and sub

doing half the dmg of mage and stuff

[vestal wren]

the channel should be in the acceptance stage already

[royal lantern]

you are not pushy with stuff like that wtf

people need time

[storm belfry]

Gm fuu

[vestal wren]

good morning, its 5:30 pm for me ^^

[storm belfry]

Well good evening then

[timber kelp]

What're the current thoughts on how assassination is looking in 10.1? I'd think it'd be pretty good in raid cause of the ST bosses

[winged veldt]

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Yea we would want that to be the case lol

Gonna play it either way and keep the hopium alive lol

[marble hemlock]

that means they can revert the original leeching nerf, right?

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

[echo heath]

Weird every time I go on the forums or any social where wow is discussed I'm constantly reminded that rogues are in great shape and balanced well

Not that it matters I'm not playing any other class anyway

[subtle kiln]

you’ve had an entire expansion already to deal with it

how much more time do you need?

realz went out to get a pack of smokes. he’ll be back soonTM.

[royal lantern]

"rogue op" translates into "i got killed by a rogue in STV 16years ago"

[timber kelp]

Why bad?

[serene fossil]

Scroll up to yday in #outlaw and see them cry

[royal lantern]

why is a dps spec/class bad?

^^

[serene fossil]

Utility!

[royal lantern]

hint: mostly it means "dmg is low"

[timber kelp]

I was asking about assassin

[serene fossil]

Rogues in general cry rn

All of them

[royal lantern]

assa is like outlaw, but without aoe

[serene fossil]

[royal lantern]

[serene fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-trash-oskar-trash-sesame-street-sesamstrasse-gif-21433618

Rogues rn @royal lantern

[spice spire]

Mood

[timber kelp]

But better ST, no?

[royal lantern]

[ember mural]

Meow

[royal lantern]

take a gues

[spice spire]

?

Bro it’s illegal

[ember mural]

Oh shit

Meow

[gray crest]

[royal lantern]

yes, maybe like 2k more, so you are now only 13k below everyone else, instead of 15k

#roguein10.1

[spice spire]

Blocked

[gray crest]

but how are you going to get inspirational lizard videos if you block me

[storm belfry]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/smiley-gecko-happy-lizard-gif-14784423

[spice spire]

It’s illegal man

Thought you’d understand as a fed

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-marisha-fbi-gif-14248388

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[spice spire]

Y r u this way

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-meow-sunakook-small-gif-23565003

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/sagesquad-meow-cat-gif-18667716

[hollow chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-cat-derp-water-animal-gif-20237368

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-angry-wrrr-ugh-gif-21903176

[royal lantern]

barking is ok

[spice spire]

Yes

[silk bane]

quakes a bad kitty

[thorn fjord]

That’s my chicken pot pie

[silk bane]

respect mah authoritaaaah

[storm belfry]

Guys we don’t break the rules here. We aren’t outlaws

🥁

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/sofakingdoge-gif-22086131

[silk bane]

u acting like u know the rules.... there are no rules man we lost

[thorn fjord]

Can’t doom if your class is S tier

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[cerulean walrus]

Good thing we all su- REDACTED

Make way for the dooming

It’s my favorite time of the patch cycle

[silk bane]

but lke did u see ptr testing though?

lowkey sin is fine tuning wise with respect to other melee

its just that all ranged are doing 30% more dps than all melee

so its not sin specific

[slim hamlet]

Oh yea there has already been raid testing right?

Does it look good, the fights that is, not necessarily sin rogue, since we're in offtopicv2

[steel ridge]

Allegedly alot of ST

[slim hamlet]

Hells yea

Surely we get to keep our ST then

[steel ridge]

so actually we should be trucking, if tuning isn’t miserable

[silk bane]

so like theres 4 fights that have either ads or are cleave.

[slim hamlet]

Surely it is not

[timber kelp]

Sure, but compare to vaults, where 7/8 fights are cleave

and adds become way more important in mythic

[slim hamlet]

idk about u but to me brood was entirely ST too

[timber kelp]

you have ST and add teams, sure

[silk bane]

i mean every fight is single target if you got enough boomies and Dh's

[timber kelp]

but if you care about logs, add teams are the way to go

[slim hamlet]

ew

[timber kelp]

sub or outlaw on adds are very good

[timber kelp]

For whatever reason, theyve seen very reluctant to touch mage or rogue since before 10.05

(what i play)

[thorn fjord]

Didnt mage get changes

[viscid spear]

Bit o' nerfs, funny innit

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

They've been slowly killing our AoE to buff our ST in miniscule ways

[storm belfry]

So we are the best spec atm on ptr right

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Yeah, you're the best Rogue spec that starts with A

[silk bane]

idk why people seem to ignore the asymmetry here, but why out of the 3 class trinkets, 2 of them are random procs and one of them is on demand main stat. and the one demand one gives 3 times more value than the proc ones.

and somehow the ondemand 10k mainstat trinket owners are outperforming every other spec on ptr

must be a coincidence

[storm belfry]

[harsh harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-doom-gif-10395628

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/vengaboys-boom-i-want-you-in-my-room-singing-dancing-gif-11407352

[viscid spear]

Sorry, I have dinner reservations.
I also have reservations about being in your room.

[storm belfry]

[thorn fjord]

Doors always open for willing participants

[royal lantern]

im willing for your open door

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-shy-a-goofy-movie-bashful-aw-shucks-gif-6128306

[thorny pond]

You'll be asked to close the door when I'm done with you

[thorn fjord]

Well my rogues name is Backdoorpush

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-eat-our-way-out-of-another-jam-gif-10891847

[echo heath]

https://tenor.com/view/doors-wide-open-doors-always-open-letterkenny-squirrely-dan-degens-gif-25119301

[silk bane]

alright lets talk about something productive, who heres watching season 3 demon slayer?

[spice spire]

I don’t speak weeb

[near valley]

read it all so cba watching it

[near valley]

[spice spire]

[near valley]

how did you know demon slayer was weeb though

[silk bane]

BUT THE BATH SCENE THOOOO

quake is susge. hes the demon slayer himself

the demon rizzler

[viscid spear]

I got in trouble for discussing it once

[silk bane]

the collector of that demussy

[silk bane]

go on.... spill the tea

[viscid spear]

Final arc details, like ||do you really think I'd put something here?|| big happening fr

[near valley]

didn't think you'd use the bath scene to gain my interest

it worked

[silk bane]

:3 it always does

the bounce is too powerful

[near valley]

i thought i threw away this degenerate side of mine

[silk bane]

when it airs, we should have a watch party here in sin discord

all admirers of the bounce

[balmy condor]

Meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow, me meow meow meeeeeow

[silk bane]

the cat whisperer droping some mad rizz fr fr

[shrewd night]

I actually liked those arc details, ||numbnuts clicked and got 'd||, although that twist I could never foresee.

[viscid spear]

[thorny pond]

Which of yall did a key with me and didn't take CT?

RLP nonetheless

[spice spire]

In a different life, we’re lovers

[viscid spear]

[thorny pond]

but in this life you're my lover

[spice spire]

Brubby? You’re a father now

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

why do you think @thorn fjord is so handsome

[spice spire]

True

[near valley]

ffs

[thorn fjord]

[ionic fox]

Anyone have a definitive answer on cloak and runic brand damage on odyn? From what I've experienced it cannot be cloaked

[runic hinge]

You have to cloak before the cast goes off

[ionic fox]

and it stops the entirety of the damage?

[runic hinge]

Idk the last 3 times I’m in there I’ve been late lmao

But I think so

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Thanks to DynamicNigel for putting in the work for the book when everyone else abandoned it. View the current version here: https://tinyurl.com/57cnaezn

[spice spire]

It cannot

I’ve precloaked, and every permutation in between

Unless you have to be outside of x range, and be upside down, while the half moon is out

I’m 99.9% sure there’s nothing for it

Well feint

[near valley]

the allignment of the dark forces

[balmy condor]

I was pretty sure pre-cloaking worked

[near valley]

i thought u could cloak it

[silk bane]

pre cloaking stops the first tik

[near valley]

i felt like i've done it before

but i'm just built different than you plebs

[spice spire]

Lemme look at my logs and see if any were cooked there

[near valley]

[spice spire]

Like 99% sure it’s a feint angle

[silk bane]

^ nah its a vanish angle. imo u need cheat for the second set of tripple spears

[fleet pagoda]

elusiveness maybe? seems like a strong talent in there on tyran weeks in general

[silk bane]

elusiveness is only 20%, vanish shield is 30%, and also on a high tyran how are u gonna live the second set of tripple spears without a giant external?

it depends on how ur comps set up, but for our comp, i vanish + wog the first one, precloack the second one, usually pot + extrenal the third one and cheat the second set of triple spears

[spice surge]

Precloaking 100000% works

[ionic fox]

@spice surge Is that just 1 tick?

[fleet pagoda]

"only" 20% that's over 60k damage

[silk bane]

which is less than 30% what

[balmy condor]

elusiveness

[fleet pagoda]

get rid of feint then, useless button. we should get another charge of exsang in it's place

[balmy condor]

bro what are you on

[fleet pagoda]

sorry 😦 i'll stop joking

[balmy condor]

feint is a great button

elusiveness is a shit talent

these things can co-exist

[fleet pagoda]

you don't say

darn i was so confident it was the opposite

[spice spire]

Unless it was fixed in 2023 it does not, had to scroll through whispyr for it

[eager solstice]

Whispyr you still taking off next season?

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xk3m8rMP2TGW4jN6#fight=8&type=damage-taken&source=238&view=events&pull=25&sourcebuffs=31224

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xk3m8rMP2TGW4jN6#fight=8&type=casts&source=238&pull=25&ability=31224&view=events

[balmy condor]

no I'm playing next season sadly

[spice spire]

Haters in shambles

Also sorry for log watching

[spice surge]

Probably then, worked earlier today atleast

[balmy condor]

I told my raid lead I might have to play outlaw

and then they nuked the tier set

[spice spire]

Bruh

[balmy condor]

so now I'm just going to play a shit fucking class

and be happy

I guess

[spice spire]

Bruhing whispyr, not you, eleem

I was just going through what I’d seen before. But no one fucking cloaks the runic brand

Except whispyr in one random rat in 2022

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

That runs logs on their runs

[eager solstice]

So you’re playing assa or rolling another shit class like surv?

[balmy condor]

I've only ever played rogue

so it's gonna be rogue

[slow needle]

Only ever played rogue seriously or literally only ever played rogue?

[balmy condor]

parse a 98 on prog and lose to grey parsing spriest rework #7 I guess

fucking pog

[near valley]

get good

[silk bane]

[spice spire]

I’ve seen whispers (hehe) of a whisper monk before

[balmy condor]

I've leveled other classes at the end of expac

[balmy condor]

have you seen ww? they're down horrid too

[silk bane]

^ yeah but atleast they get big number on open

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m being obtuse at this point y

[silk bane]

so thats something right? cope cope

[spice spire]

Mf im about to tank if we stay as is

[slow needle]

That makes sense. I do know of at least one guide writer who wasn't even playing the class they were writing the guide for.

[spice spire]

Gonna be doing equal damage either way (I’m being hyperbolic)

[silk bane]

u know doing tank damage isnt the same as tanking right?

[spice spire]

Beat you to the joke

[silk bane]

awww u beat me to it Madge

jinx

fuck

[spice spire]

Get woke buddy

[silk bane]

LOL

[balmy condor]

yeah, me. In sanctum. They don't call me Whispyrrogue "sub OTP" (knows zero about assassination) Rogue for nothing bud

[slow needle]

They do?

[steel ridge]

sub main

[slow needle]

Does that mean you were just showing your true colours on Rasz then?

[near valley]

must be hard to fit that on a business card

[balmy condor]

I have you know, I'm one of the sub players of all time

[noble ridge]

nice

[near valley]

sub(par)

[eager solstice]

Sub seems like itll be in a good place if they keep the same pace as this tier. Solid st and aoe

[gray crest]

sub(tank damage)

[slow needle]

Are they at least letting you play Sin on Rasz reclear?

[balmy condor]

real, I haven't even parsed 100 more than once this tier what a shitter

[balmy condor]

I'm not in on rasz reclears typically

[slow needle]

That sucks.

Or doesn't.

Depending on if you like the boss.

[balmy condor]

it's pretty great

[near valley]

i looked up to you at one point

how the mighty have fallen

[balmy condor]

because I don't have to play the game

[gray crest]

the dream

[near valley]

is whispyr a diablo 4 rogue enjoyer?

[balmy condor]

this expac so far has been log in for raid, and your reward is you get to log out

[near valley]

you guys are logging out?

[balmy condor]

I couldn't get in for the betas because I got stuck in 5-7 hour log in queues

[near valley]

i've been trapped in the game SAO style

[near valley]

could be worse. could have gotten in the game for 10 mins then get sent back to the end of the queue due to network instability

[noble ridge]

lately half my guild just logs on for mythic 1st 2 then is never to be seen or heard from again till next week

:)))))

[balmy condor]

they just like me fr

[noble ridge]

super cool for those who want to prog and do anything with the guild

lol

[near valley]

prog is a trap by big blizzard

[noble ridge]

but eh guess itll get better next patch :)))))

[near valley]

to keep you playing their game

[rain oyster]

so where the promised exang rework? :))

[noble ridge]

hopium

[near valley]

don't be a sheep

[sweet dawn]

I mean this patch there's no I MUST LOG IN EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK SO I'M NOT BEHIND system

[noble ridge]

i cant i made so much progress and made alot of improvements

its addicting

[near valley]

torghast runs

[sweet dawn]

So now it's the end of the season the drop off seems bigger

[noble ridge]

big blizz got me by the neck rn

[near valley]

big blizz holding my balls atm

[noble ridge]

lol

[near valley]

got nothing else to play till end of may june

[silk bane]

i only log in to hand in fihs at this point for that sweeet sweet tuskar renown

need mah paw print backpacks

[near valley]

ff16 going to be taking my time though

[noble ridge]

playing ninja there?

or is that what its called idk i got off that game like 1 week in'

[near valley]

nah ff16 is the main story game

not the online game

[noble ridge]

ahhh i see

i see

i dont follow FF

[near valley]

did play ninja doe

[noble ridge]

like at all

[near valley]

shit's good

would recommend

main story games not online game

[noble ridge]

literally all my time is being succ'd away by Tarkov and Wow

[near valley]

never touched tarkov

heard it's decent

[noble ridge]

its great

until you get head eyes 10 raid in a row and lose everything

🙂

[near valley]

can't shoot for shit so i usually avoid playing those kinds of games

[noble ridge]

fair

[strange python]

Zelda, FF16, new raid, diablo 4 all come out within 8 weeks

[near valley]

peak gaming

[simple violet]

How does assassination look in 10.1 with the set bonus? Will it be enough to lift this spec out of last place?

[echo heath]

No

[simple violet]

Sad face. I miss my old assassination rogue

[echo heath]

Well maybe we can get a jump if every other dps tier provides negative value

[strange python]

Sin wouldn't be last place if this raid wasn't filled to the brim with egregious padding

And sin would immediately be a mid tier spec if next tiers raid bosses were live right now

But that doesn't take into account tuning for next patch

[thorn fjord]

Cannot wait for ff16

[runic hinge]

Do I need a ps5 for ff16?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah unfortunately

[strange python]

Nah it's a good thing

[thorn fjord]

Their pc ports have never been any good

[strange python]

It's like 3 years into this console generation. Time for games to stop limiting themselves to be backwards compatible

O you meant pc possibility not ps4

[thorn fjord]

That’s what I was assuming

They said out right no pc port any time soon

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Thinking of pc

[thorn fjord]

But they also said this is one of the first games to fully use the ps5s power

[vapid sierra]

whats the st simming on ptr?

[gray crest]

no sims yet

[slow needle]

Sims aren't available for rogues yet afaik unless something has changed in the past few days.

[storm belfry]

It’s okay when it runs good. Games been in alpha or beta for way too long imo. It’ll stay that way sadly

Can only play it every 2 or 3 wipes now tbh. Got too much time on it

[dark token]

I just wish I could play sin in m+ with similar damage to sub

The utility is honestly insane

Best rogue spec on just utility/fun in aoe, would play tf out of it

[hexed flicker]

I'm probably way off the mark on what would improve assassination but if they couldn't make their aoe damage more consistent I would settle for making IC suck less. Like turn it into a button that applies all of your dots to x amount of nearby targets with your current combo point count.

[dark token]

...that's literally what IC does

[hexed flicker]

I mean without having to manually apply each one. It just puts them on the targets automatically on the same cd.

I feel like rogue used to have a talent that did that in single target but I can't for the life of me remember what it was.

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[arctic current]

I dunno feels fine to me, you get to silence an entire pack on a fairly low CD while getting all your bleeds up for free

[spark scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spice spire]

You play feral once and ur like, damn

don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to be a carbon copy? Because that’s a dangerous road

But they have so much synergy built into aoe

[fringe spear]

Feral has a pretty solid spec tree in general tbh. It's a shame druid class tree got left behind

[hexed flicker]

It might have been warlock, I really can't remember. One of the dot classes had it.

[oak tangle]

affliciton has it, and it's back for 10.1, soul swap

[strange python]

Even if sims go up soon it's best to ignore for now, there's going to be tuning in the final ptr builds.

Even if we don't get tuned, there will be lots of tuning for many classes, hard to gauge what the ptr strength translates to on love

[uncut echo]

What stabs said isnt even cope.

They're objectively correct.

[grim jay]

yeah

but people wanna doom and hate

[uncut echo]

Homie you were one of them

[grim jay]

I'm mostly memeing about ptr as people that are here often should know

but you do you

[burnt latch]

i dont understand why ppl doom at this stage

rogue was best class for 10.0

assa got massive talent changes in 10.0.5

and the spec has little to no known bugs that make it unfun to play

if we're being honest the dev work shouldnt have gone into rogue, as it hasnt

theres a lot more problematic classes, rogue is good 🙂

[grim jay]

its a numbers-thing to keep it going, but sin having issues in m+ isnt anything new and they couldve addressed that before

[eager solstice]

They mentioned exsang rework and really haven’t brought it up. Pb/ct seem wonky. Our aoe is nonexistent when we take st talents. A few more issues as well

[grim jay]

I'm actually more concerned about the patch as a whole

since multiple sets seem weird/counterintuitive

[burnt latch]

Neltharion P2 adds just didnt spawn on some pulls yesterday

stuff like that is worrysome

[grim jay]

yeah

but at the end it is what it is