assassination

[neon kindle]

1. keep ur :3 in the correct channel u blasphemer

2. i just got back today

[uncut echo]

I have a :3 pass

[gray crest]

that pass is as legitimate as your vault blessings

[hexed flicker]

Can I have some of whatever you're huffing?

[oak sky]

:<

[thorn fjord]

Y’all digging the raz nerfs or?

All my muscle memory… we’re having to hold after third wind 😩

[grim tangle]

we never hold

[strange python]

We don't hold. Biggest issue with nerfs was fucking the timing of i1 and i2

[vital haven]

winds are so nerfed now you actually end up in an awkward position if you shadowstep

[strange python]

Breath baits in i1 got fucky, and in i2 the storms just get absolutely slammed

[vital haven]

like you end up not being in melee but cant take lock portal

[thorn fjord]

It’s not an awful change just ended up feeling weird

[uncut echo]

we wiped twice last night bc we had too much damage on storm adds i2

we killed them before first breath

[uncut echo]

Idk I got a 424 torch off my blessing

Just loot better

[gray crest]

so what youre saying is

[uncut echo]

(I'M SO SORRY I JUST WANT THE BEST FOR ALL OF YOU)

[gray crest]

you stole my catalytic converter blessing

[uncut echo]

No I just want you all to get the best loot possible :(

[thorn fjord]

Yeah stuff is dying so quick now it’s crazy

Hoping to get i2 cleaned up tomorrow

[lucid birch]

any mut rogues in chat

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

quake!!!!!

[hexed flicker]

What kind of scrub plays mutilate rogue?

[lucid birch]

You tell me bud you look kinda sussy

[velvet ridge]

WOOH MRAZ DOWN

[gusty mirage]

just ask them how many rasz kills they have

[brazen zodiac]

.<

[wind condor]

Nerfs made the fight feel so much worse

300 pulls of muscle memory and exact cd timing all out the damn window now lol

[keen spruce]

we broke the first shield

people still asking questions about inversion 260 pulls in

[gusty mirage]

ya cd timing is scuffed af now

[prisma carbon]

just send on cd now

[oak tangle]

this damn dead emote keeps making me see my flag

🇦🇺

dont ask me why

[fleet coral]

how

xD

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

It always lets me see my lootluck

Because thats essentially dead aswell

[plush delta]

if talented (i.e. in m+) should we ever be using CT in ST? or envenom to fish for PB procs

[gaunt moat]

For ST you use envenom.

[rare jackal]

good morning, bring back kingsbane ☕

[steel ridge]

delete exsang

[grim jay]

Exs best ability

Wdym

[fading mason]

Bring back kingsbane best ability

[grim jay]

All in all yes

Agree

[flint tusk]

exsang for life

[gaunt moat]

Bring back Blood of the assassinated

[winter gale]

Is assa feeling any better on Rasza with bosses newest nerfs?

[drowsy parcel]

Delete dtb too

[woeful meteor]

Doubt it the boss as a whole feels worse compared to pre nerf imo. Played sub yesterday, but its not like anything changed for sin, you still feel useless in intermission and slightly outperform sub on boss dmg

[stuck ridge]

doenst sub burst better on shield and have better mobility too

[woeful meteor]

If you play 2 step on sub yes, but with all the nerfs to p1 pushback thats not wort it anymore and basically no one does it. For shields sin has less dmg on shield 2 and slightly more on 1/3.

[brazen lantern]

Whats that

[woeful meteor]

It doesn’t rly matter anymore what you do on the boss at this point, as long as all 20 people don’t die to stupid shit boss will die.

And you dont break root in p2i

[brazen lantern]

Cant stop me from playing stormgem

[stuck ridge]

u dont need to play 2step sub, u can use vanish SS, i think step cd isn't always up in p2 wave, need something else in between, unless u cloak it

[royal lantern]

warlock gates exist btw

[woeful meteor]

Ye but the vanish strike just replaces double step which sin always has

[brazen lantern]

How big is puzzlebox for assa rn? Finally got mine yday

[wooden radish]

lol

[spice spire]

Decently chonky

[uncut echo]

Sizzeable

Hefty

[royal lantern]

good amount of girth

[uncut echo]

Prayge raz kill tn

[brazen lantern]

[uncut echo]

Alao Quake I'm bonking arms again, reliving the dream I made fun of you for

Next tier :3

[hexed flicker]

BiS. It does not work from stealth however so you have to at minimum garrote first.

[uncut echo]

You didnt want to cast it from stealth anyway

[hexed flicker]

Probably not. I just thought I'd let him know it doesn't work.

[uncut echo]

That's fine, but you legitimately would never cast it in stealth. It's 8-12 seconds into our opener

[brazen lantern]

Its somewhere in exsang iirc

According to the opener

[hexed flicker]

I haven't actually read the recommended opener. I just go garrote -> slice and dice -> puzzle box -> echo -> rupture

[spice spire]

Uh you’re a bit off

[thorn fjord]

You're swapping to war next tier? @uncut echo

[hexed flicker]

Why do you apply a one point rupture?

[spice spire]

It’s a 3 point

And you do it because it does more dam than envenom there, since it results in a max time rupture for the Exsang

[hexed flicker]

I see. My opener is terrible apparently.

[uncut echo]

Yes

[uncut echo]

Ye. Hard to justify 2 rogues with current tuning and we need a second battle shout

But I'm doing sub keys for push content

And I fucking love arms

[thorn fjord]

Thats fair

Team player swag

War looking beefy too... Hows your Fury?

[uncut echo]

Fury is a joke of a spec

I'm an arms sophisticate

[late surge]

true gigachad

[uncut echo]

Arms is the assassination of warrior

Fury is outlaw

[thorn fjord]

But i thought you were ok with OL

[uncut echo]

I am

Im saying they're the same

And I like assassination more

[thorn fjord]

You know i've never actually played Warrior at max level

[late surge]

fury worse than outlaw FOR SURE

[vague widget]

Idk they are both pretty... Bunga.

[uncut echo]

Nah fury is based as fuck compared to outlaw

Swords are longer

[late surge]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-block-you-blocked-blocking-gif-14145534

[spice spire]

🤨

[thorn fjord]

Plate mogs are way better than Leather mogs thats for sure

[late surge]

true

[uncut echo]

Except mythic nathria

Mythic nathria leather

Good fucking god step on my throat mommy

I mean

[gusty mirage]

A tale as old as time itself

[raven knoll]

Ye but mythic nathria leather is 💩 compared to mythic SoD plate

[uncut echo]

There's a lot of leather sets I like quite a bit

Uh

Factually incorrect

Mythic sod helmet needs god

But other than that it's s+

[raven knoll]

Hmm never noticed the helmet since I always have helmets hidden.

[uncut echo]

The helmet looks like a prince ruperts drop from hell

[thorn fjord]

Sanctum set is really nice

[uncut echo]

Sancy leather is also clean

[thorn fjord]

But the helm looks dumb on cow 😦

[uncut echo]

Belf supremacy

[thorn fjord]

I was told Tuesday if I swap to dwarf or NE next tier i'd be a back up raider LOL

[vague widget]

Sanctum leather is hot garbage I'm happy if someone else liked it, but yeesh.

[thorn fjord]

Naah the mythic Dark grey one looks sick

[uncut echo]

Nah I like it a lot

[thorn fjord]

The Heroic yellow one kinda meh

But mythic set is really nice

[uncut echo]

UHHH?

SHEEEEESH

[thorn fjord]

yeah thats hot

[uncut echo]

Nokstella dripped to the 9's

[thorn fjord]

wait for it

[gusty mirage]

Get out

[raven knoll]

Every item is designed for human thats why humans are 🐐

[uncut echo]

L combat animations

[raven knoll]

I love them lol. Mainly the casting animations

[uncut echo]

They're so basic

Belf life for now, I had my stint being a human

Didnt care for their clipping issues

[thorn fjord]

Look how ugly it looks on cow @uncut echo

[raven knoll]

Well I guess to each their own.

[thorn fjord]

If i put the Heroic one on i end up looking like big bird

[raven knoll]

Why do you play Tauren tho?

[vague widget]

Kleptomoonia.

[thorn fjord]

Initially it was for the Crit and the Memes

Now i dont even know anymore

I wanna swap to night elf but my guild is hella anti alliance

[uncut echo]

Tell them to pound sand and quit being dickheads

[vague widget]

Cringe to take digital wars to heart.

[uncut echo]

The digital war is dead

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/trickmint-gif-26356959

[raven knoll]

Tell them its not Night elf its nightborne

[royal lantern]

not playing the best race

[raven knoll]

they look similar

[spice spire]

We’re less than a month away from cross Faction

[royal lantern]

^

[spice spire]

Lorentz?

[royal lantern]

yes

[thorn fjord]

So my spark buddy asked me to swap my relocator from vulp because he couldnt see me at all

[spice spire]

I’d agree

[royal lantern]

lorentz is bis race for the Chess Master spec

[royal lantern]

nameplates???

[thorn fjord]

[unreal bear]

raiders are not known for their intelligence

[royal lantern]

*wowplayers

[uncut echo]

*humans

[royal lantern]

or ok, just say humans

[thorn fjord]

Are the lizard people giga chad raiders?

[uncut echo]

I'm a fucking dipshit lmao

[uncut echo]

Sc*lies

[unreal bear]

anyone who is willing to prog a fight for 300 pulls gave up their humanity long ago

they are raiders

[thorn fjord]

We'll prob hit 200 tonight

[uncut echo]

I'll hit my 10 for CE tn :3

[royal lantern]

ey

[unreal bear]

my buddy's guild started raz prog two weeks ago and their egos are insane

"this boss isnt that hard"

how many nerfs?

[thorn fjord]

Wait i was totally off LOL

[unreal bear]

still not sub 64%

[thorn fjord]

We're sitting at 176 thats not too bad

[spice spire]

Egos in world of Warcraft? No shot

[thorn fjord]

so prob hit 200 tonight

[uncut echo]

Wanna hear a funny

I was doing sennarth reclear I cloak off my ice, right? I hear my raid leader go

"Who the fuck cleared early? Ahri was that you?"

I said it was a torch angle

[thorn fjord]

How did they know it was you lol

[royal lantern]

bruh, the guild i joined got ce, wr 600-700something

and instantly 3people left because "im better than this, i want to play in top50-100" when they where mediocre dps with a slow learning curve and can only play 1spec above average

[unreal bear]

oh my bad they're sub-64%

[thorn fjord]

Hate to see it

[uncut echo]

They saw a shadowy rogue

[unreal bear]

those people are probably 3 day raid week advocates

disgusting

[stiff geode]

That Vulpera goin' in!

[thorn fjord]

In the grander scheme of things My guild and i suck and we're a 3 day guild LOL

[unreal bear]

DISGUSTING

[spice spire]

Amen

[unreal bear]

the only guild i could tolerate would be Nascent for that very reason

[spice spire]

But at least I’m 2 day

[uncut echo]

I'm excited to try 4 day for the first 2 weeks of tier

[brazen lantern]

How many pulls

[uncut echo]

And then dial it back to 3

[spice spire]

4 day

[unreal bear]

took them ~70 pulls to get below 64 and they've plateaued to 60 now

i watch the streams and they die very quickly after platforms

[uncut echo]

I think its just 2 weeks

[unborn geode]

i use a close transmog for my sin rogue... but i use the house renathal cermonial daggers

[uncut echo]

I'm a legion mage tower enjoyer

[woeful meteor]

4 daying or whatever is only bad if you dont like playing with your guild

[brazen lantern]

Depends on how long

[woeful meteor]

excited what my gm is cooking for next tier considering we got like 203 or something this time

[brazen lantern]

4-5days for a few weeks is cool

For months

[uncut echo]

Yeee when raid is new it's giga pog

Imo

[unreal bear]

sounds hellish if you have any desire to do things other than play games at night but maybe im just old

[brazen lantern]

If people prep well

[thorn fjord]

Next tier is 10 bosses right?

[brazen lantern]

Its not fun when it results in 300 hungering destroyer wipes or w/e xd

[uncut echo]

9

[brazen lantern]

What else would you do

[vague widget]

Fatescribe and the floor runes.

[woeful meteor]

I'd play games anyway and raiding is more fun than anything in wow and most things in other games as well

[spice spire]

How many 🤨

[uncut echo]

I raidled mythic hungering

And Im a dipshit

And we got it 67

How the FUCK

[brazen lantern]

I remember hungering cucked guilds going in ham in nathria

[uncut echo]

Did you hit 300

[unborn geode]

i wanted to do mage tower but never seem to et close enough to finsih the questline leading up to it

[unreal bear]

i have a toddler and a girlfriend, so 4 days is a bit much with work-life balance

and raid quickly becomes work

[spice spire]

50something

[vivid seal]

hey guys in aoe is it always instant and amplifying poison?

[spice spire]

If you didn’t have heal reduction, it was kind of a bitch damage check that early

[thorn fjord]

Progged most of that drunk off of Jameson

[spice spire]

Deadly and amp

[brazen lantern]

I think my guild at the time killed at 70ish

[thorn fjord]

My alchy raid days back@when the guild hated me

[spice spire]

Instant never the play

[woeful meteor]

alwys deadly over instant

[vivid seal]

ty

[uncut echo]

How did you not have a heal redux early

Arms was good, rogues could wound bc you played outlaw

Idk

[brazen lantern]

Arms was doooooooog

Like beyond garbage shit

[uncut echo]

It waa fine if you needed a MS

Which is exactly what we did to kill it

[thorn fjord]

https://imgbb.com/YkvVsFN

[uncut echo]

Wild how hard raz is in comparison to otherd

Azshara tho Monka

[thorn fjord]

I’m low key happy I didn’t raid during Nzoth

[woeful meteor]

the nzoth nerf after 120 days tho

[brazen lantern]

I rly dont think it was that hard of a boss

After like first month

[thorn fjord]

Raz prog has been weird in that it feels super attainable early on but the pulls just keep coming lol

[uncut echo]

Nah raz is an insane boss by proxy

I2 is inhuman imho

I1 damage checks were nuts

[thorn fjord]

I2 felt super overwhelming at first

[brazen lantern]

I2 is a coordination check but otherwise rly easy

I think we progged i2 for a solid 3 pulls

Raid lead carries that phase

[uncut echo]

Just like a raid lead carries hungering

Tuesday we were 1 shotting melee stormfiend before first breath

Wiping us

Bc hp nerfs

[thorn fjord]

Yeah the nerfs changed it completely

Now everything falls over

[uncut echo]

Its fine it dies tn

I get my CE and I focus warrior

[brazen lantern]

We went for speedkill

[thorn fjord]

[brazen lantern]

Killed i2 in 2 ports

Cc all small adds

[uncut echo]

Padge

[brazen lantern]

Huh

[woeful meteor]

thats the reverse padge

[uncut echo]

Could just pad on adds :3

[brazen lantern]

We phased into i2 on 27% or so

[woeful meteor]

call wipes until you skip third stormsurge 😄

[brazen lantern]

We could probably

Just need to minmax dmg a bit more

Or just lust it but maybe thats not worth

[uncut echo]

Its a 1 lust fight now tho ya?

[woeful meteor]

did you still lust pull?

[brazen lantern]

We got r1 speed and was 10:20sec i think

But we had 7 deaths

So prolly 1 lust

We did on pull

[spice spire]

I played sin

[uncut echo]

Where wound

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

I raidled on a fire mage

Idk

[thorn fjord]

[uncut echo]

That shit sucked LMAO

Only class I'd ever raidlead on is assassination now

[spice spire]

I did for a few weeks

But I’m a bad raid lead turns out

[brazen lantern]

I only raid lead classic

[uncut echo]

I was good at raidleading in nathria

[thorn fjord]

Quake gonna be the token BDK RL soon

[uncut echo]

I couldnt do good damage and raidlead

[spice spire]

Nah

[uncut echo]

My combustions were cheeks

[spice spire]

Our raid lead will raid lead

[uncut echo]

I bet I could raidlead sub

[spice spire]

I’ll just be vibing

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that wouldnt be awful

[uncut echo]

Sub is brain off for me

[spice spire]

If I’m tanking

[thorn fjord]

Our RL is playing Fury

[vague widget]

BDK yoyo hp.

[uncut echo]

Warlock for us

They 21st for their first raz

[spice spire]

Honestly it’s only bad if you’re undergeared or you’re not pressing buttons

Bdk health fairly stable outside of that thanks to mastery

[vague widget]

My raid lead was a warlock and it was awful. Great guy not exactly a shot caller.

[uncut echo]

Mastery meaning anything is super cool

Quake did you see the arms 4pc rework

[spice spire]

I did

Looks good

Slam off bars again

[uncut echo]

Actual

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Arms is gonna be omega in keys

[thorn fjord]

Y'all getting another Gavel type weap?

[uncut echo]

No

4pc was just a big slam every now and again with a pretty bloated rotation alreasy

Now the damage to slam was applied to mortal strike and you have a cool shockwave from MS now

[spice spire]

I didn’t find arms that bloated tbf

[uncut echo]

It's so fucking cool and thematic

Bloated as in you rarely wait gcds now

Its wildly fast compared to historical arms

[spice spire]

Oh sure it’s faster

Much

[uncut echo]

Yeah

Like, actually zero rage issues

[spice spire]

I only started playing it sod tho

[uncut echo]

I play woyer a lot

:3

My main since Classic

[spice spire]

I’m on my second account (first got yoinked from me, even at my worst, I never was a banned gamer)

And I think rogue is top (since 8.3) at like 30 days

[uncut echo]

Rogues 52, warrior 116, and dk is 45

Everything else is confetti

[vague widget]

Warrior DPS has never had appeal to me. It's another I'm glad people enjoy it but not for me situation.

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s how I feel about a few classes

Respect

[uncut echo]

Its a me situation this tier bc of the silence regarding rogue

:)

[royal lantern]

class traitor, got it

[thorn fjord]

Got you too eh?

UH got slapped so that just made me decision easier lol

[royal lantern]

got recruited for my rogue, so rogue it is

and i dont play other classes anyway

[uncut echo]

I got recruited on my rogue

I said I'd play rogue or warrior

They went

Warrior?

[subtle tundra]

huh. i made this character in bfa bruv

and your classic character have less than that

[uncut echo]

Healthy

[subtle tundra]

get a life

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i mean, a big part is: do you let wow running in the background when doing something or not

[thorn fjord]

208d Rogue, 21d DK, 77d on mage.. everything else is w/e @uncut echo

[uncut echo]

No

[royal lantern]

have a friend with 8k hours in destiny, and 4,5k of those are afk idle cus he just has the game running in the background

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-catch-my-breath-vern-tessio-stand-by-me-let-me-breath-let-me-rest-for-a-bit-gif-21689929

[subtle tundra]

i pugged a lot

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern your friends pc

[unborn geode]

i haven't looked at days played on my toons in a long time.. the only 2 og characters i have is my druid and warrior but because of seperate servers who knows how long i have be on the class

[subtle tundra]

also have 28 on monk and 31 on hunter

[thorn fjord]

ive been kinda wanting to Frost Mage lately

Should i even bother?

[uncut echo]

Idk. Its v hard to justify 2 rogues

Especially if the first is whispyr

[subtle tundra]

also i have played on private server for some years

hehe if i log in there

[thorn fjord]

Depends on the group comp

[subtle tundra]

i easily have over 10k hours in wow

[uncut echo]

The group comp had 1 warrior

Would you prefer 1 subpar dps with cloak

[thorn fjord]

I think our other rogue is swapping to Ench

[unborn geode]

they aren't bad but very simple... i find it a nice class to play in contrast to the rogue as a 2nd raiding toon

[thorn fjord]

Our bottom dps Ench came in to raid tuesday night guns blazing and tried the RL by commenting on his DPS

[spice spire]

Nah

[royal lantern]

just start discourse in this channel, and you will win against him cus he has to moderate

[thorn fjord]

Then he was eviscerated by the entire raid group

[uncut echo]

Look at this shit man

Terros

My shit just hits harder

But stone diff

Idk

?

[storm belfry]

[uncut echo]

He actually just had 16 more stone hits

Smh my damn head

[ebon notch]

his grieftorch did 100k more also

wait how are your stones that low

is your ring fully upgraded?

[uncut echo]

Yes

[uncut echo]

Ye cancelled a torch

[ebon notch]

which gems are you running

[uncut echo]

Same

Proph desir freez

Same stones as his

Every encounter is just half his stone dam

[ebon notch]

dm me the log

[unborn geode]

stones seem to be random for when they decide to work correctly.... some fights my stones are way up and then at times they barely proc

[drifting cloud]

casual

[storm belfry]

Gm doomblade

[vague widget]

Millhouse, Doooooooooooooooooom

[uncut echo]

Henlo

[slow marsh]

Are we really not getting any changes going in to 10.1

[steel ridge]

looks like it

[storm belfry]

We do not know yet

[unborn geode]

we still have 3 weeksish until then so we might get some minor tuning but i wouldn't assume anything big until sets are finalized

[uncut echo]

3 weeks

No bait

[slow marsh]

Bruh classes don't get meaningful changes 3 weeks from a patch release

[uncut echo]

False as fuck

[slow marsh]

Uh

Name one

[uncut echo]

Arms warrior just got some 4 weeks out

That's a one week diff

Besides we want to perform bad in heroic and get a numerical pass

Idk why this is so hard to understand

We're not getting a ret level rework

But I guess keep dooming and screeching we aren't getting reworked

Maybe we'll get the dev time we need to fix nightstalker, a 0.8% damage talent

[storm belfry]

I mean I’m sure they could do last minute changes

[uncut echo]

Yes, they can. But ion literally stated they aren't doing any ret level reworks until 11.0

[slow marsh]

I don't see any changes for arms what did they do

[storm belfry]

Yeah I don’t think we would get a full rework

Idk if I’d want one tbh

[uncut echo]

Bloodletting applies rend off of MS below 35%

Fatal mark 3 min instead of 2

And a tier set rework to remove slam from rotation and apply buff to mortal strike

Fucking insane qol with a tiny damage increase

[slow marsh]

Wasn't that expected though considering their tier design was pretty trash?

[uncut echo]

So is ours

Hence it to be expected

So what's your point

[slow marsh]

K i'll set a reminder for 3 weeks and see if we get any meaningful changes

[uncut echo]

Cool

[slow marsh]

No point in trying to argue with the wanna be RH mom that's been here for all but 2 seconds

[uncut echo]

I've been here longer than you

Pipe down

[slow marsh]

My bad forgot the long time lurker thing is still a thing

[uncut echo]

Bro you're just coming here trying to stir shit

[thorn fjord]

None of y'all amping me up again

i learned my lesson

[uncut echo]

It's not even getting amped up

Complaining is so pointless and such a waste of energy

[vague widget]

If it were productive I'd understand it. But people seem to just want validation while yelling it out into the void. I want a better state for rogue too. But this isn't where I'll get that. this is where I'll read about puzzle box for the billionth time.

[sudden canyon]

Baffles me to see ppl complaining about ppl complaining

2023

[uncut echo]

The point of the channel is not to bitch and moan

It is to help people who have questions on the spec.

[subtle tundra]

im just bad and want to do good!

[uncut echo]

It's literally against the rules to just complain for complaining's sake

[gaunt moat]

the whole 2 people who will decide to play assassination now 😂

[storm belfry]

LMAO

I love the new name

[flat kiln]

I'm on the advanced duskwalkers copium. Synergy with 4p. haste best stat

[uncut echo]

Ty

[storm belfry]

True and real

[uncut echo]

About the only thing useful to ever come out of the above conversation

[storm belfry]

Most of the complaints here aren’t really constructive

[uncut echo]

It's just bitching into the void

[storm belfry]

I mean they have phone numbers for that

[gaunt moat]

you are complaining right now, we get it, you hate people complaining.

[storm belfry]

Ones that have nice ladies that respond to you too

[sudden canyon]

They’re complaints are valid m8. Specs feels rough and we are not getting the fixes or level of attention Being cried for.

Their*

[neat walrus]

Hey, new here. Do we talk about rogue stuff here or no?

[storm belfry]

Okay but I mean ppl are beating the same horse everyday

[uncut echo]

We've literally heard it a million times.

[storm belfry]

There is no variation to the complaints

[uncut echo]

Idgaf how valid they are

[storm belfry]

Just baby mad baby want change

[sudden canyon]

Okay. So your argument is your tired of hearing the same thing

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't really consider asking the question, "are we really not getting any changes for 10.1" bitching into the void. but it's your M.O to be dramatic so have at it. Whatever will make you feel validated considering it seems that you need it. I'm proud of you and you are doing a good job policing the assassination channel for the whole of 7 people who still use it

[uncut echo]

Whispyr, and other mods have told people to shut the hell up

[uncut echo]

It's okay honey I'm not reading all of that but I'm sure you tried your best

[storm belfry]

I mean ppl forget there is a search chat function

Surely you don’t think you are special enough to be the only one to ask a certain question

[sudden canyon]

Shared suffering created the best bonds

[uncut echo]

It really doesn't

[storm belfry]

It can. But not likely

[neat walrus]

Lol i chose the wrong spec, this chat is trash compared to the sub/outlaw channel 😂

[storm belfry]

Outlaw is worse idk what you are on about

[slow marsh]

Sadly true these days

[gaunt moat]

Being extremely combative towards other people, trying to "own" others, is a lot more destructive for this channel than people venting about the state of the spec.
I'd start looking at how we talk to others and if it's justified, before caring about people wishing for changes.

[sudden canyon]

What shall we talk about. Our spec feels pretty solved atm. At least most ppl seem to think so

[uncut echo]

I'm not trying to "own" anyone

[neat walrus]

You can own me if u want 😁

[uncut echo]

[storm belfry]

I mean just go make a post on forums if you want change

More of a chance to actually contribute somethign meaningful than be another parrot in this chat repeating the same stuff ppl ask everyday.

[warm parcel]

[sudden canyon]

Irony is ppl respond like parrots with rage too

[gaunt moat]

@warm parcel how did you know i was talking about you

[elfin quartz]

heres the real question: ive been gone for 6 years, is assass valid at all to push 22/23 keys or do i need to learn sub

[storm belfry]

It is valid

[uncut echo]

You can easily do 23s as sin

[sudden canyon]

Valid

[uncut echo]

Just a bit more complicated than sub

[unborn geode]

i feel its easier than sub... sub is more complicated for me lol

[uncut echo]

Sub is super easy

[warm parcel]

Just a feeling

[elfin quartz]

anyone able to take a look at my talents rq? 🙂 ive not used a guide, just what ive read on talents and decided on this build

[uncut echo]

Faq has builds

[elfin quartz]

ooo ic ic

ill take a look!

[pseudo hamlet]

I did that and like... 3 people liked and posted something. Kinda sad tbh

The thread(EU):
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/state-of-assassination-rogue-spec-raidmpve/438534

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-smile-smile-high-high-smile-gif-12383739

cute lizard again cus stuff gets heated

[uncut echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/973524246129176667/1082767845483618304/WIDERPLINK.gif

[storm belfry]

Yeah I mean I’m not saying it’s gonna do anything. But I’d say it has a better chance than posting in here

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyway, I don't even want people to agree with the statements on the thread.

[royal lantern]

i mean, its a reasonable post, dont worry

[pseudo hamlet]

...but it would help even if they just click "like" or comment their opinion.

[royal lantern]

doesnt even insult blizzard or making death threats, thats allready the top 0,2% of wow forum posts by default

[gaunt moat]

@pseudo hamlet
I like how you write in the form of a dissertation, but then you bring in your argument:
"However, Assassination has always been a fairly chill spec."
that made me laugh 😄

[pseudo hamlet]

Because it was! It's more complicated in DF(compared to previous expansions) while being worse(compared to other specs). It really feels unrewarding playing Assassination in this patch.

[royal lantern]

eh, gameplay is the same as always

nothing really changed there

[gaunt moat]

It did become faster/spammier to some degree

not as energy starved

[royal lantern]

yeha, but that just means "you press mut mut envenom a bit more often"

[pseudo hamlet]

DF has also added a couple of new abilities to keep an eye on.

[gaunt moat]

you forgot to mention how we rely on having WF to even a semblance of okay-ish dps.

[pseudo hamlet]

WF?

[gaunt moat]

Windfury totem

[uncut echo]

You don't need WF to be do good damage

[subtle tundra]

thats not a thing

[gaunt moat]

it's around 4k dps

[subtle tundra]

its the same for other specs

its not like we get way more than others

if it were like arms, maybe an argument

[royal lantern]

eh, arms lost WF value in DF varas

like, its still great for them ofc

[gaunt moat]

Not all specs benefit as much. only warrior, DK and rogue.

[royal lantern]

but its not that absolutely giga important for arms anymore, arms has a really high rage generation rn

[spice spire]

Since rage starvation is no longer a thing arms is good without it

[gaunt moat]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem

arms is actually one of the specs that benefit the most

[royal lantern]

yes

[spice spire]

They are

[royal lantern]

but it was worse in the past

[spice spire]

But it used to be arms >>>>>>>> next best

[royal lantern]

like, BFA/SL arms litearlly needed a wf

[gaunt moat]

i see

[royal lantern]

or was legit unplayable

[vague widget]

It was throwing to not have it as arms lol

[uncut echo]

Yeah arms was a 7-9% gain

Yeah

[spice spire]

Now it’s like within the rest

Still good

But not bonsai

[uncut echo]

It was an entirely different game

[royal lantern]

the biggest enh shaman buff in the game, was arms warrior buffs

cus if arms was good, you HAD to bring a enh shaman

[uncut echo]

Mhm

It was a package

[thorn fjord]

If you’re the mommy can I be the weird uncle? @uncut echo

[gusty mirage]

No

[thorn fjord]

[uncut echo]

Nah this is not a name of endearment

[thorn fjord]

Bodied again

Keep taking L’s this week

[uncut echo]

Ooof

[thorny pond]

Better to take Ls than to take Ds

[thorn fjord]

That’s a matter of perspective tbh

[balmy condor]

I nominate myself

[uncut echo]

Check dms

[thorny pond]

Just fade me fam. Nobody even asked

[oak sky]

✅

[uncut echo]

Hi darling

[oak sky]

Whatup slime

[balmy condor]

I don’t check DM’s from warrior main

[uncut echo]

Slime lmfao

[thorny pond]

oof

[uncut echo]

😭

[balmy condor]

Cruises through trial on rogue just to reroll

I See you

Sneaky sneaky

[uncut echo]

It was NOT my idea

[balmy condor]

Never is

[thorny pond]

Yea, Pass trial as your easy spec, reroll FotM duh

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

Hmmmmmm

[balmy condor]

The dooming got to her

[thorn fjord]

lol

[uncut echo]

The omni got to me

[balmy condor]

That’s what I said

[uncut echo]

LMAO

Nah I'm keeping both rogue and warrior up

Tanking keys for guild on warrior, and pushing on rogue

And I'll raid as arms

[balmy condor]

Throwing up rn

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor is sneaky it was his master plan all along to get you to play arms

[thorny pond]

Just do what my guild did. Scare off three healers, ignore the rogue who wants to reroll, then lose your rogue too

[uncut echo]

Ye that tends to happen with hangovers

[balmy condor]

How do you know

[uncut echo]

I have my ways

[thorn fjord]

Wonder what whispyrs choice of poison is

He seems like a gin drinker

[balmy condor]

Idk ask Ahri

Since she apparently knows everything

[uncut echo]

Better rogue

Smarter person

[balmy condor]

Vodka redbull or Jack and coke

[thorny pond]

Vodka Tonic with a lime wedge

[uncut echo]

Papa johns

[oak sky]

Someone say dooming

[uncut echo]

Nah pls no

I'll get angy

[oak sky]

Didnt ask

[balmy condor]

Dooming

[oak sky]

Dooming cumgers

[uncut echo]

You're not allowed to be mean to me

[oak sky]

You're not my mom!!!

[uncut echo]

I can be

[thorn fjord]

She is in here

[vague widget]

Oh my.

[thorn fjord]

She’s all of our mom

[uncut echo]

Wannabe is only my first name

[unborn geode]

Healers have been hard to keep... they always want to reroll after 1 Tier of raiding

[vague widget]

Healers are why my guild exploded so I feel that.

[oak sky]

You can only be my mom if my vault has a socketed eranog ring

[thorn fjord]

Don’t let her bless your vault

[uncut echo]

Have you opened it

[oak sky]

Next week

[thorn fjord]

You’ll end up with a stolen catalytic converter

[uncut echo]

I mean it clearly is

[oak sky]

My vault this week was boon

[thorn fjord]

Boon rhymes with doom

[thorny pond]

I've healed two tiers every expac since BC

[thorn fjord]

You’re doing it right

[oak sky]

Like idk

The doom circlejerk might be bad

But the counterjerk is annoying too

[thorny pond]

That's a dutch rudder my friend

[thorn fjord]

Best to just stay dead smack in the middle

[storm belfry]

I’ve been a healing main for 6 years. Gonna dps main next tier to see how it is

[thorn fjord]

Just noticed my brother hood bandana is gone

[storm belfry]

No it’s there

For me at least I see it

[uncut echo]

One of them is against the rules

[thorn fjord]

Weird it doesn’t show for me

🤷‍♂️

[unborn geode]

I always seem to have a backup healer ready to go then they become the "main" when we lose healers over and over

[oak sky]

If saying i dont like the state of rogue is against the rules

Then this is literally 1964

[thorny pond]

Most people fail to see how beautiful they are @thorn fjord

[storm belfry]

Yeah idk why some healers re roll to another role every tier or every other. Kinda weirdge

[uncut echo]

No just stirring up shit bc there's nothing to talk about

[storm belfry]

I’d re roll for my raid team. But to another healer to help out comp

[uncut echo]

No one likes the state of rogue

At all

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[uncut echo]

But actually just trying start shit is worthless

[storm belfry]

I am enjoying rogue. But also it’s just been my side piece for several years so my comments don’t mean anything

[uncut echo]

I'll fucking 1984 you

[thorn fjord]

State of sin*

[oak sky]

[thorn fjord]

Rogue is still vibing

[oak sky]

1984 this

[thorny pond]

What is everyone's favorite sin? Mine is sloth

[balmy condor]

I’ll 1984-42

[thorn fjord]

Gluttony

[oak sky]

See its better to start shit about dooming than to start shit by dooming

[vague widget]

Wrath.

[oak sky]

Isnt this fun

[unborn geode]

i'm not rerolling healz this tier... we will just end up having to cut dps if we can't heal through a boss the tough way

[storm belfry]

Lust

[uncut echo]

With pleasure

[oak sky]

[uncut echo]

There's a difference

You're a jokers

Posting shit like this

I wouldn't really consider asking the question, "are we really not getting any changes for 10.1" bitching into the void. but it's your M.O to be dramatic so have at it. Whatever will make you feel validated considering it seems that you need it. I'm proud of you and you are doing a good job policing the assassination channel for the whole of 7 people who still use it

Isnt a jokster vibe

That's a I'm an asshole vibe

Idk

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102

[oak sky]

are we really not getting any changes in 10.1?

[uncut echo]

[oak sky]

[storm belfry]

Search the chat with the search chat function

[uncut echo]

Pins pins pins

[storm belfry]

snip snip sniP

(Is what’s gonna happen to me)

[oak sky]

No more kids!

[storm belfry]

2 is enough

[uncut echo]

I want to be the Broodkeeper

[storm belfry]

Is that what you see when loading up RH disc?

[spice spire]

What a day to be a sicky boy

Yeah

[vague widget]

Hahahaha 🤣

[storm belfry]

Get well soon my brother

[spice spire]

I’ll be fine

Just hadn’t been paying attention

And damn

Did I choose a day

[uncut echo]

[oak sky]

:mern:

[uncut echo]

Rip nitro

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[serene fossil]

Where do i get thisssss

[spice spire]

This I don’t have an answer for

[regal sable]

gm assa

[regal sable]

skip step 3

I woke up in raid today with the boss at 20%

[spice spire]

Bless

[regal sable]

was wild

[uncut echo]

No idea I just yoinked it

[uncut echo]

Gm darling

[regal sable]

parsed a 3

LOL

gm

[spice spire]

Kills a kill

[regal sable]

im better than 3% of assa rogues while asleep

[spice spire]

Can parse reclear

True

[uncut echo]

Which boss was this aa?

[regal sable]

raid lead questioned it tho

this was hm thorim

doing a bit of classic while retail is slow

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-cat-gif-23774444

Classic?

[storm belfry]

Parses in classic?

[oak sky]

#off-topic message

[spice spire]

?

[gusty mirage]

want me to remove it for you?

[storm belfry]

Pass one on to me if and when I get CE as rogue next tier /s

[thorn fjord]

[gusty mirage]

give you @thorn fjord 's? got it

what a nice guy

[storm belfry]

Hell yeah brother

[earnest remnant]

hows the head? u hungover?

[balmy condor]

it's ok

[subtle tundra]

@vestal wren why you in my raid

[vestal wren]

thats not me

[oak sky]

impasta

[uncut echo]

Impasta

[subtle tundra]

Ipetmypet getting stacked

dropped 415 bow

[normal mist]

warn that guy he misses chest enchant

[safe frigate]

@gusty mirage

Hi ur cute.

[true basalt]

Pi is so strong, i got 300k dps which went down to 200k by the end of the packs in a 17 tjs. First 2 packs with bl also

How is assa looking next season? I dont wanna play outlaw

[subtle tundra]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Hi ur cuter

[uncut echo]

It's looking

[brazen zodiac]

👁️

[hollow river]

Imp catcha

[bronze pike]

lets add a new dot to assassin

ive done it, ive fixed assassin

[hollow river]

So like CT in ST?

[bronze pike]

yes but no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1016065293728096467.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

another another dot

[hollow river]

Nty

[bronze pike]

a dot that once it expires puts all the other dots on your target or reapplies

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1016065293728096467.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

wat u mean nty

its genius

[hollow river]

[true basalt]

What about deathmark having some aoe interaction?

[brazen lantern]

I remember in EP assa was pretty decent on queens court cause you could reasonably do spreadcleave, is that still a thing with current spec?

[limber lion]

Deathmark as a self-buff that doubles all bleeds around you instead of just your main target

[gusty mirage]

now we're cooking

just give yourself a harry potter scar

[uncut echo]

That's wild tbh

[true basalt]

Doubles the main target and the rest take 20%

Or 30% idk, doubling everyone would be too strong

[visual hemlock]

feels like all people responsible for assa balance, just moved to wotlk, left junior guy who never played assa and told him to do all the work

[burnt star]

I hope your not serious about that and that your joking

[lyric cave]

does anyone have the ST talernts for ptr

[proud basin]

with the new raid being a lot of ST fights, do we think assassin can be pretty competitive?

[uncut echo]

tuning unknown at this point

[proud basin]

i understand that but if it were to release tomorrow would assassin be competitve with the other specs due to most fights being ST

[uncut echo]

that isn'ta question we can answer

You also just asked the same question twice

[proud basin]

the first time you were taking into account of tuning for the next patch....and the 2nd time i asked with what we have now on live.

[uncut echo]

Likern on live

its like 5th best st

[lyric cave]

the boss right now has 2 bosses and i think the dot lives long enough to do some real dmg

but we are low

[proud basin]

what

i think you forgot you glasses

[uncut echo]

Lmfao

Muffin man, we are doing okay

just okay

but idk what your definition of competitive is

[earnest remnant]

we aite

[uncut echo]

ye

[earnest remnant]

we doin aite

[uncut echo]

we vibe

like Sin can get CE

It can prolly even get HoF

But it's not a WF pick

[storm belfry]

WF

[uncut echo]

they said competitive

[proud basin]

if your not first your last

[storm belfry]

I mean, I would not pick what to play based off world first

I know that’s not what was meant. But I just wanted to say that

[uncut echo]

ye

[bronze pike]

you should be a dev

but

insteadof doubling your bleeds :) les make it increae the speed of your current bleeds

so u can put more bleeds

[split cipher]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[velvet ridge]

gm guys

how spicy are the trinkets next season

[royal lantern]

no balance done yet

bomb trinket op

[velvet haven]

for raz mythic strat can u pre cloak when tanking the double charges after the pull? (P3)

or does it prevent u from gaining the charge

[woeful meteor]

pre cloak

[velvet haven]

ty

[woeful meteor]

gz

[velvet haven]

[woeful meteor]

wait did you actually first try p3?

[velvet haven]

3rd

i just died to it twice in a row

[woeful meteor]

ah

[velvet haven]

and was like "uh i dont think i can survive this"

we 137 pulled it

[woeful meteor]

HUH

we basically hadnt seen p2 at that point

[velvet haven]

thx @balmy condor for telling me im bad so I could improve to at least be mediocre

my king

[kind talon]

W

137 pulls is very good

[woeful meteor]

did you start the tier late or raid only like 2 hours a week, dont see how a guild finishing this late can kill him so quickly

[velvet haven]

well

the guild itself

is 7 weeks old

I joined them when they were just progging dathea

we raid 2 hours wed 3 hours thurs 3 hours mon

[proud basin]

does the stones for the ring change with ilvl?

[woeful meteor]

correct stones are in the pins you need to max all, dmg scales with ring ilvl not individual stone lvl

[proud basin]

sorry let me rephrase does the stone combo change with ilvl ?

[woeful meteor]

no

[velvet haven]

was our prog chart @woeful meteor

I may have overshot how many attempts it took

[woeful meteor]

insane consistency at the end there

[gray crest]

the fuck is that pull count

[velvet haven]

golden guardians dif

[woeful meteor]

ye they are gaming by the looks of it

[gray crest]

my new guild is fucking struggling to rekill lmao

[storm belfry]

my guild just killed raz

[woeful meteor]

gz

[velvet haven]

welcome to the club pog

[gray crest]

@gusty mirage should i quit and become a minecraft gamer

[gusty mirage]

yes

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/bih-okay-florida-2x-brooker2x-gif-13490950

[storm belfry]

nah not me, i had just joined was waiting for them to kill

now i can play tho 😄

[velvet haven]

oo

[gray crest]

finally killed it oxi

did top dam

[gusty mirage]

finally killed what

[gray crest]

raz

[gusty mirage]

nice

[gray crest]

took us like half of tuesday, all of wednesday, and almost all of today

[gusty mirage]

lol

huge upgrade

[gray crest]

huge. totally didnt kill raz like 3 pulls in before

actually tbf we had the bugged locks

[gusty mirage]

what does that even mean

[gray crest]

in back in march we killed raz the second time when locks were bugged

[grim tangle]

cheaters

[gray crest]

we didnt even know locks were bugged till a few days later lol

[terse sundial]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[leaden bloom]

would it be a good thing to push the devs to unlock our gcd so its affected by haste like other classes?

[grim tangle]

eww

[uncut echo]

I'm free from the rogue for the rest of the season I think

:3

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

so you want to nerf it to 2 seconds so we could go back down to like 1.6 so it's 0.6 slower than now?

why?

[leaden bloom]

no stay 1sec but lower with more haste

[balmy condor]

that's not happening

1 second is the cap in the game except for adrenaline rush

[leaden bloom]

so like AR it can go lower, just make it like that for sin

[balmy condor]

but why

what's the point

[leaden bloom]

make haste do something

[balmy condor]

huh?

[drifting cosmos]

we become more like outlaw the apm spec

[balmy condor]

it already does

quite a lot

[hollow river]

[pastel onyx]

[leaden bloom]

besides our dot ticks what does it do?

[balmy condor]

It increases haste regen, increases dot tick rates on poisons and bleeds

[hollow river]

energy regen

[leaden bloom]

k dot ticks and slight energy regen

[pastel onyx]

why doesnt it make us run faster

[leaden bloom]

thats burst of speed

[balmy condor]

I mean could say the same thing about every stat

besides all damage what does vers do

[hollow river]

haste is arguably the most interesting stat

everything else is just "does more dmg"

[balmy condor]

besides poison and bleed damage what does mastery do

[subtle tundra]

Pee

[pastel onyx]

Exsang is arguably the most interesting ability

[balmy condor]

besides combo points and extra damage what does crit do

[pastel onyx]

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

Big numbers

[leaden bloom]

do you think sin is in a good spot currently Whispyr?

[echo cargo]

i miss nyalotha haste memes

[subtle tundra]

Ask the sub main

[pastel onyx]

instead of reworking exsang, bliz should make next tier set around it

so we can suffer more

[balmy condor]

I think it's too fast and the aoe needs looking at, we have a couple of talents that are simply not strong enough (like arterial precision)

aside from that it's okay

[grim tangle]

4set that reduces the cd of exsang to 45 secs

[leaden bloom]

sigh

have you heard any rumors on rogue changes for 10.1? or are we mostly staying the way we are with some setbonus changes possibly?

i feel like sin is going to be unplayed if we stay like we are with less energy gen from our current set going away.

[balmy condor]

our set doesn't give energy

[strange python]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[terse sundial]

haste or mastery better for pure ST?

[gusty mirage]

gonna have to sim it, depends on how much of each you have

they're pretty equal

[leaden bloom]

is there a way to sim talent builds that are not possible due to lack points?

[pastel onyx]

why would u sim

something u cant possibly get

[leaden bloom]

Good point, but to show the relative gain adding each consecutive point would give. To show where the pain points are in Sin's spec tree design.

[slow tulip]

Well, looks like pretty much all bosses next tier are single target and many are dps checks, so assa might be good having great ST and execute

so there is that