assassination

[oak sky]

Is a erb a fruit

[burnt latch]

no

[silk bane]

herbs are fruits yep

[burnt latch]

no

[spice spire]

Don’t you ever insult Brian again

[lucid birch]

@balmy condor login push week

[spice spire]

Whatcha pushing bud

[lucid birch]

5k

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wheeze-gif-14488819

[burnt latch]

[thorn fjord]

And then they kicked him out of the guild

[royal lantern]

stupid entilted m+ers

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR PUSH WEEK

[marble hemlock]

!pf

!mr

oh wrong channel

[late surge]

bro wtf happened

Im confused now

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

what are you confused about

[storm belfry]

Y’all gaming tonight @spice spire @thorn fjord

[late surge]

The names

😦

[balmy condor]

What about them

Looks normal to me

[ember mural]

yep

[uncut echo]

Hi Dozzers

[lucid birch]

ACCIDENT

[ember mural]

[uncut echo]

WHAT'RE YOU DOING HERE

Let's do keys

[lucid birch]

I’m working

[uncut echo]

STOP BREAKING MY HEART

[late surge]

I guess im trippin

MB GUYS

[uncut echo]

Yeah, you are

n't

[brazen zodiac]

is this

JOEK

[late surge]

no

[spice spire]

Maybe ik I’m linking up with some homies in a different game tonight

But maybe after

[strange python]

Oh no. Ravenholdt went full doomer

[storm belfry]

Sounds good

[storm belfry]

Have a good time at work

[thorn fjord]

Tomorrow night

[storm belfry]

I work til 9

[thorn fjord]

9 est?

[storm belfry]

I’m central baby

[thorn fjord]

That’s Chillen

[storm belfry]

I work kinda early next day

But might do a couple keys

[viscid spear]

EST is bEST

[sweet dawn]

I like how we're doomblade

Makes me happy to be a sin rogue

[viscid spear]

Speak for yourself, I'm a Mage

Also Quake's favorite key

[signal nacelle]

hey there, I know a lot of changes have happened to rogues recently (especially to sub) - is assassination still doing okay in pvp?

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[spice spire]

Doubt

[viscid spear]

[ivory bay]

hey guys, i applied in a guild recently and decided to take a step into the assa spec i think i understood the spec pretty ok for the first day playing it, can i link a boss kill and you guys tell me what i can do better in my rotation?

[oak tangle]

link away

[lucid birch]

yea we gotchu

[ivory bay]

but i can't link it here right? should i?

[oak tangle]

go for it

it'll be something actually productive in here for once XD

if you're worried @balmy condor may be able to make a log thread for you?

[balmy condor]

huh

oh

MyAimSuckss Log

[keen spruce]

wuts goin on in here

why is whyspr a grapefruit

we got 2h40min

[steel ridge]

This is a german server, fools start at midnight Berlin time

[errant swallow]

Is there a PTR channel? Curious about how we doing there.

[steel ridge]

we received no changes

[static coral]

im guessing m+ performance isnt looking more optimistic

[oak sky]

yeah not really

[errant swallow]

Thank you guys.

[uncut echo]

There will be pins in the spec channels regarding any and all potential changes

If you see a red lil blip, they've been updated

Good indicator that a change or some new tech has dropped!

[gusty mirage]

why's your mom a grapefruit?

[oak sky]

boom roasted

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna squeeze all of your toothpaste out of the tube

[steel ridge]

The Assassination specialization has been renamed Combat.

[deft flicker]

Combating depression??

[keen spruce]

hotfixes april 1, 2023: we've noticed that rupture has been underperforming for assassination in all content. we'll be removing the ability to give more distinct spec identity for subtlety

[fleet pagoda]

more rogue stuff in the joke patch notes than the real patch notes

[steel ridge]

yep, actually trolling

[pseudo hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[limber lion]

Lmao

[oak sky]

HB

[limber lion]

Could you imagine

[oak sky]

I could not, Brian.

[limber lion]

That IC/CT change by itself would destroy the spec and make it the most boring shit in existence

Even Animal Crossing would be more exciting than Assassination in m+

[oak sky]

remove ic

[balmy condor]

that IC change is the most cooked shit I've read in weeks

[oak sky]

pure passive ic

[cobalt hemlock]

exsanguinate back to 20 second cooldown

[pale plank]

https://tenor.com/view/doomed-alibaba-magi-anime-gif-25071045

[viral spire]

[rigid tartan]

Makes more sense than the previous few changes weeks ago

[steel ridge]

blizzard put more effort in those april fools patchnotes than actually improving assassination.

let that sink in.

[steel geyser]

True

[cobalt hemlock]

Aware

[balmy condor]

Channel name being accurate again

[jade abyss]

Thats a april joke right?

[faint harness]

Ofc not

[steel ridge]

deep inside you know its true, brotherman

is it true that the 10.1 raid is ST only?

[frosty cedar]

It has a lot of ST and some 2 cleave from what I've played but it's not ST only

did invasion get tested yet?

[steel ridge]

inb4 mythic has shitloads of add waves on every boss

[frosty cedar]

every fight should be ST the way god intended

[placid ermine]

yea spec would be so bad if we didnt have to pray every run our tank lets us restealth, or doesnt take 20 seconds to pull more than 2 mobs

i'd hate it

[royal lantern]

oldschool zoomers always said they want combat back

now they can play combat

[brazen lantern]

Affixes dont help it

[royal lantern]

only boss dmg matters, aoe is padding

[placid ermine]

only overall dps matters padding is life

[royal lantern]

zoomblade detected

[cobalt hemlock]

imagine trying to play rogue with spifetull

[brazen lantern]

Or sanguine also incentivizes tanks to pull next instead of single targetting down that 1 mob that healed 30%

Or bursting/grievous breaking stealth T_T

[cobalt hemlock]

fuck thats like half affixes

[gaunt moat]

People say that line every single april fools in wowheads comments

[grim jay]

I mean

I get where they get the impression

😄

[steel ridge]

doesnt make it any less true

[gaunt moat]

Considering others than nerfs, there has been zero work done on assassination so far, i have to agree hah

[steel ridge]

on another note, anyone who actually reads wowhead comments has lost control

[gaunt moat]

I don't know if the "renaming assassination to combat" part was intended to be ironic or not, considering how much they've abandoned the spec till' now

kinda hits different

[oak tangle]

i like to think it is a self aware joke and they know exactly how much they are ignoring us

[steel ridge]

what sword?

[brazen lantern]

Kush said assa is the play next tier so we pray

[oak tangle]

😦

[brazen lantern]

Why sadge

[steel ridge]

what makes me kinda worried is that 40% more rupture damage favors exsanguinate

[oak tangle]

couple reasons. 1) if sin is king then we won't get the needed look into why the spec plays meh
2) we'll get nerfed

[gaunt moat]

so we'll get nerfed again

i really hope kush won't play sin

[vestal wren]

assassination is design wise def. in fav

because the next tier looks very single target oriented

[brazen lantern]

[tacit wedge]

Fuu with the focusing iris icon 💀

[steel ridge]

That’s a nice way of saying our aoe sucks

[subtle tundra]

Ok

[vestal wren]

but iris bis

[tacit wedge]

But blood of the enemy on the crab pull in Tol Dagor???

[subtle tundra]

Yes but bote feels better

So idc that sims say iris better

Fucc u

[brazen lantern]

Anyone remembers the double folly assa build for tol dagor

Fun times

[spice spire]

Exactly show me one hecking sim my guys

[tacit wedge]

I remember BfA because that was the last time we saw Infexious alive

I miss his pawn shenanigans

[oak tangle]

i mained dh in BFA bring back the tol dagor blade dance missile dodge

[tacit wedge]

If you have his exact stat weight, exsanguinate was the best talent, no cap

[subtle tundra]

It's OK we will play underrot and be able to do outlaw job

With gouge

Steal their job, their wallets, their wifes

[royal lantern]

but not their m+ dmg

[grim jay]

I've heard we aint too far behind in damage

[deft flicker]

Their weapon loot (which you still haven’t figured out how to use because it’s bigger than a kitchen knife)

[royal lantern]

bruh

wow daggers are fking 2hand swords

those things are bigger than irl broadswords sometimes

[deft flicker]

Then why can’t you figure out 1h swords??

[subtle tundra]

I knew we were warriors all along

[grim jay]

we just default to the superior and more versatile weapons

[deft flicker]

Except Mutilate explicitly requires two kitchen utensils to be pressable

[royal lantern]

real answer: daggers have different animations

all dagger attacks are stabs

[grim jay]

doesnt change the fact daggers are more versatile tho

never talked about the skills

😄

[deft flicker]

“Defaulting to” implies having a choice, which in this case you don’t even have

[grim jay]

was talking rogue as a general class

which leads to the decision of which spec

[thorny pond]

general rogue class is just dead

[grim jay]

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/doom2-doom-archvile-gif-23324214

[strange python]

Where did the pvp room go?

[willow eagle]

#pvp

[strange python]

Clever lol

Hey, does anyone have a guide for assassination PvP for totally NEW player? (pretty much just started playing WoW and never did PvP stuff) >_>

[vast forum]

#pvp probably

or #pvp-faq

[raven merlin]

is dat real or april fool?

[halcyon arch]

Wish it was real

[gaunt moat]

Rule of thumb for the rest of your life: If it's april fools and you're unsure if it's real. it's not real.

[umbral rapids]

#assassination-faq message

is this still up to date?

it seems weird

in the class tree

why pick up blackjack imp sprint and stride, or elu for that matter

doesn't this achieve the same thing with better talents in the top rows? or am i missing something

[dark token]

cause improved sprint is better than 3 other talents for raiding

[brazen lantern]

[dark token]

feint energy, physical dmg reduction only relevant in m+ really

vs a 1 minute sprint is huge for raids

[umbral rapids]

what

[brazen lantern]

if you need to sprint every minute

[umbral rapids]

feint energy is dps technically

[brazen lantern]

you have a roar every minute

[umbral rapids]

and you have 2 shadowsteps

also

it's also recommended in the m+ build

so

[dark token]

i feint like 1 or 2x a fight now that bosses were heavily nerfed

vs having sprint off cd for stuff like dathea cyclone is giga

[grim tangle]

at most it gives you like one more mutilate worth of energy over a fight

[dark token]

ye

[grim tangle]

it's not worth

[dark token]

its only good in m+

where you need to spam feint every mechanic to live in 25+

[umbral rapids]

but it's also recommended in m+

[dark token]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim tangle]

I don't think the faq really cares about the utility talents at the top

[brazen lantern]

but thats farm

you feint aoe dmg on prog

dont u

[dark token]

i mean the abiltiies got nerfed by like 20-30%

you dont really need to

[brazen lantern]

you dont need 20 people either cause shit is boostable

[dark token]

prog broodkeeper or prog raz sure i feinted but now only very specific tough overlaps

[brazen lantern]

why do you have 20 ppl, more competition for loot

[umbral rapids]

i mean, i don't think faq should take into account if bosses are nerfed

but

like

that's a fake explanation

[dark token]

i think improved sprint is generally better for raiding than feitn energy + 3% phys dmg

regardless of spam feint or not

also these are like template builds

ur supposed to adjust utility per boss

or per dungeon

use 🧠

[brazen lantern]

even if you want improved sprint

why blackjack

[umbral rapids]

i mean

[dark token]

cause its t he only way to path to it

[umbral rapids]

i personally don't care i'll do my thing

[brazen lantern]

certainly

the only way

[umbral rapids]

but other peeps might be confused

[dark token]

you lose 1 dps point doing this

do the full tree

[umbral rapids]

blackjack gives you both imp sprint and step

so i guess that's the reasoning

[dark token]

^^

[brazen lantern]

i guess

[dark token]

blackjack is shit, unbreakable stride is shit

but the pathing is like that to get imp sprint + max dps

[brazen lantern]

but i dont get how improved sprint is that strong when you can just spam roar for days in raid

and you have everytime you need to move

[dark token]

its comp + boss + dungeon dependant

how do u not get that

we dont have enough druids

so i take imp sprint

[brazen lantern]

you have 1

at least

[dark token]

does that cover every dathea cyclone

no

[brazen lantern]

cyclone is

every minute

[dark token]

maybe the balance druid doesnt hit raid idk

but i need imp sprint to not get sucked in on our dathea comp

so i take it

in general more mobility is better than 1% tankier

[brazen lantern]

sure

[storm belfry]

Buff assa

22 NO

[umbral rapids]

smh should've played imp sprint

[royal lantern]

just wanna say, only having 1step+2min cd sprint on sub sucks HARD

[dark token]

^^

[ivory bay]

guys, when i'm doing the classic opener after the last rupture i do sbs then exsanguinate+ deathmark and i'm at only 1-2 combo point; should i mutilate before envenom+shiv? or mutilate before exsang maybe?

[umbral rapids]

still seems wrong to me to not take tricks

[warped lily]

Hi guys, I always played PVE , but i want to dive into PVP, Im very used to using outlaw, for learning pvp should I use Sub or Assa?

[royal lantern]

eh, for assa tricks doesnt really do anything big anyway

[umbral rapids]

#pvp

[brazen zodiac]

im lost

is this assassination

[oak tangle]

before envenom, if you mut before exsang you're technically wasting time on your dots

[uncut echo]

It isn't safe here anymore sweetheart

[brazen zodiac]

im really scared

i was half asleep when i saw a big patch of 10.10

i ctrl 4 rogue and the first thing i see is "assassination is getting renamed into combat"

ill try again next week

[uncut echo]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

No, this is Patrick

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-spongebob-coffee-sad-gif-16525719

[thorny pond]

you called?

[thorn fjord]

The 1 step isn’t as bad as no imp sprint

That 2 min cd really really blows

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-meme-wrong-number-gif-14740812

[true basalt]

based on what i've experienced, the evenom after deathmark always lands on an empowered combo point

[brazen lantern]

[autumn frost]

I can't figure out which blade is assassination.

[deft flicker]

Talent trees will help a lot

[burnt latch]

Should I be using gloomblade in dance at 5 cps instead of Shadowstrike?

Or shuriken storm

[brazen lantern]

yes

[burnt latch]

Havent played sub much this expac so not sure

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1091685050501845032/IMG_4701.jpg

[sudden canyon]

Doomer blade is me

[spice spire]

Bless up

[thorny pond]

Why do chefs gotta knock people for using an air fryer. Like I don't love it but I also love not having to clean up a fucking fryer vat at my house

[gusty mirage]

appreciate you

[royal lantern]

[cyan wharf]

I always hated the chef mentality, like bro I'm sorry people at home don't want a vat of oil to maintain and clean at home just to achieve a slight flavor boost

I don't miss the industry man

[sudden canyon]

I feel like they put more thought into the April fools set

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eyes-eyes-rolling-shocked-shock-gif-21780444

every year you read the same

[flat kiln]

Is there any optimization to SBS usage beyond not capping charges

[balmy condor]

Dump them at the end of the fight

Otherwise no not really

Hitting an add that doesn’t have sbs with sbs is better than doubling up

Which is why you hold

But on like terros you just throw them spikes

[flat kiln]

gotcha. Wasn't sure if there was a new gemstone window type of thing but guess not. thanks

[balmy condor]

The gems in the new ring are purely passive damage

[flat kiln]

oh i meant like the necrolord conduit from SL

[stable pecan]

I'm not sure what discussion I should be in but I got a question about assass vs sub any way someone can direct me to the right spot?

[storm forum]

probably just ask in both channels

[sudden canyon]

I keep my sbs charges for the when we’re out of thistle juice at like the 3.5 minute mark

[stable pecan]

Okay right on, so I main assass I do well but with the recent nerfs and Ret take over I see people dumping assass for sub. I'm just curious is it worth it. Always played sub until df prepatch but I've grown fond of assass and don't really wanna switch back unless there's a clear competitive advantage. What do yall think

[sudden canyon]

Wdym “worth it”. Seems completely subjective

[stable pecan]

Worth it in the fact am I handicapping myself playing as assass

[sudden canyon]

Are u pushing top 200 next tier? If not then I wouldn’t worry about “handicapping” yourself by playing a suboptimal rogue spec

[deft flicker]

Right now that doesn’t seem to be the case. You’re fine playing whatever you feel most comfortable with

[storm forum]

if all you care about is sim damage, mythic prog, and you're confident in your sub skills, go sub. Otherwise, just play whatever you like.

[thorn fjord]

If your guild needs more than just ST sub will be the play

[deft flicker]

Although 10.1 isn’t out yet and buffs/nerfs can happen

[storm forum]

oh yeah, dont worry about 10.1 until like a month after the 10.1 patch

[thorn fjord]

Spoiler alert 10.1 might be looking like an OL angle

[stable pecan]

Oh I don't pve really just pvp I could care less about my pve damage. I mainly pvp and I'm seeing more and more subs and way less assass so that's why I was questioning myself.

God I hope outlaw isn't the meta

[thorn fjord]

Might want to check #pvp

We’re pve chads in here

[stable pecan]

Oh okay thanks for the reference

Don't know much about discord other than my guilds server and click on a chat room for arenas lol

Thanks again

[thorn fjord]

No worries… everything got changed last night so if you don’t frequent the server it might be a little confusing lol

[stable pecan]

Literally the first time I've been on a community server guildies kept saying join the rogue discord finally did. Yall have a good one

[storm belfry]

You too. Gl

[trail tree]

the sanest words ive seen all day man

[burnt latch]

My guild is aiming for top 210 do u think i should worry about this

[earnest remnant]

[slow needle]

Channel names are normally a bit more informative than this. Chose a good day to arrive on

[cerulean walrus]

Nah it’s perfectly serviceable

[royal lantern]

no

it only starts to matter at top 205

you are lucky

[burnt latch]

Hoooly

Letsgoo

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

April fools day first day

Unlucky

[burnt latch]

Thanks guilld

[cerulean walrus]

Maybe 206 sometimes

Tbh

[burnt latch]

Hmm.. if we get lucky we might reach that, its 4 ranks apart

[spice spire]

Warcieft

[burnt latch]

Whos that

Thrall?

[cerulean walrus]

34% Crit

@spice spire where is the pin about our Crit breakpoint?

You know

[burnt latch]

I always aim for 33% min crit so my opener mutilate crits every third pull

[cerulean walrus]

The infexious number

[spice spire]

In the trash where it belongs

[burnt latch]

So every third pull on prog could be a 100 log

I low rolled this tier so i never got the crit on the prog kill

[cerulean walrus]

I Love Infexious

[burnt latch]

But next tier for sure

[spice spire]

Think you’d aim for your guilds world rank, 32 :/

[burnt latch]

Thats our current one, 320.. but we want to improve 100+ ranks so thats why i was asking for the 210 ranking cut off

[spice spire]

Hate u

But not actually

[burnt latch]

Our gm is gonna be outside of the raid leading next tier so i think its gonna be good. Most guilds in top 200 do that so we voted for him to be outside the next tier

Thats the main reason we didnt get 200 this tier

[cerulean walrus]

[burnt latch]

There was other reasons too ofc, but looking at logs most guilds have their raid lead outside

[sudden canyon]

Yes.

[royal lantern]

not sure if april joke or serious

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

"we need a raidteam with an external raidlead" sounds like the shit some wannabe pro guilds will come up, ngl

[sudden canyon]

Sounds like an unsub angle to me

[burnt latch]

We’re not wannabe pro, we are pretty chill but want to make close to top 200. 100+ ranks improvement

And biggest reason for this (not only one) not being a thing was having raid lead in raid

[cerulean walrus]

Sounds like some HaRdCoRe AotC guild

[burnt latch]

Outside so much easy can have 20 people blast mechanics and dps and one extra guy make calls

[sudden canyon]

If ur committing to full gamer then you will be playing what helps you kill fights

Be it sub sin or OL

[royal lantern]

nah

[cerulean walrus]

Or none

[royal lantern]

fuck outlaw

[cerulean walrus]

[royal lantern]

im playing rogue, not outlaw

if outlaw is legit #1 for everything again, i just quit

DF outlaw is so bad

not even funny anymore

cant meme about that, legit pure garbage

[burnt latch]

I was playing whatever spec did most damage this patch too. But we didnt still reach the goal.. kinda sucks

[sudden canyon]

I tried it once in legion

Once

[royal lantern]

DF outlaw just shows how fundamentally broken outlaw is by default

i mean, it litearlly released with an endless "ambush>dispatch>pistol>dispatch>repeate" loop

[burnt latch]

But i think raid leader will tell me whst spec he wants from me to play and then i make decision if need or wanna play comfy spec, probably depends on how ranking is looking at that point

[oak sky]

warcieft why

[burnt latch]

Do u guys think private log for prog is good? We discussed that also, so people do mechanics better and no greed damage

[sudden canyon]

when he tells you. Ask him where he’s getting his info from and that you’re pretty sure that you’re more well informed about rogues position in the new raid and how it fits into comps and that you will be playing what you see fit

Then just hard lock in sin for the tier

Lol

[burnt latch]

Hahah can try that, assa is best and most fun

[earnest remnant]

you really kept this one going for a while huh

[sudden canyon]

Fr tho I can’t imagine someone who doesn’t play rogue trying to tell me what spec to play because of something in wcl

Idk how id react

[royal lantern]

the ussual "im the only guy that plays rogue, nobody here knows anything about the class, so im just pulling reasons why MY spec is the best" powerplay

[burnt latch]

Sometimes they tell me to play spec (like sub foor dathea) and i ask why, if my gear for thst point is outlaw and i do the rotation good for platforms it does REAL good damage and just show log from good outlaw

But it make sense sometime if we need spec like assa silence etc

[full crown]

hi can you feint the gale arrow ability from the 3. boss in nokhud?

[royal lantern]

nope

[full crown]

ok ty

[ivory bay]

well if i mutilate before the evenom probably

otherwise i just have 1 cp

[true basalt]

You have 1 cp left if u do that opener?

Sbs and vanish+garrote give me 5 cp

[fringe spear]

I believe you can vanish gale arrow though right?

[subtle tundra]

if youre sub and talent into vanish shield, yes you can vanish it

[thorn fjord]

It’s not tho

[prisma carbon]

only if you talent into elusiveness

[uncut echo]

Df outlaw is kinda fun

I hated the HO build at the start, then I played it more

It's actually fun

[thorn fjord]

It’s not awful

And getting big btes again should be cool

[uncut echo]

Above a 23 I get 1 shot on tyrannical

Without elusiveness

[royal lantern]

skill issue tbh

[uncut echo]

20 io piping up

Hmm

[royal lantern]

i watched a tier list and it said rogue is S tier

so you are just bad if you die

[uncut echo]

Ok homie that's a block

[royal lantern]

[stiff tartan]

so i want to try assasin in key but no idea what build i should run never played ass before

[oak sky]

#assassination-faq

[thorn fjord]

Just have cheat death proc forehead

[thin gate]

guys, you think assa gonna be any viable in S2 for M+?

[subtle tundra]

[storm belfry]

👀

[fringe spear]

hello cutie

[storm belfry]

You just play everything don’t you

[uncut echo]

define viable

[storm belfry]

I will make it viable

[uncut echo]

Cyon we had an IO spike

😄

[thin gate]

since im not gonna have time to play alot anymore, my play time is gonna be reduced prob to M+

id like to achieve at least some score

[uncut echo]

How far do you want to go

Some score is subjective

Do you want KSM

Do you want KSH

Do you want Dundering Hero?

Do you wanna R1 Rogue?

[thin gate]

since im playing with randoms, id like to go as far as possible (without a fixed group)

and cba to que for 3 hours for a semi high key

dont wanna play some nieche and make it harder as it is

[uncut echo]

Sin is a niche

If you wanna push in pugs

You should play Sub or Outlaw

It's not undoable, but without a consistent group you are intentionally gimping yourself.

[gusty mirage]

top 200 US?

[burnt latch]

Loool ofc not, top 210 world (current 320wr), we are always top 100 US

[gusty mirage]

korruptio's down bad eh

😛

they should stop recruiting herbies tbh

[burnt latch]

i couldnt play above top 100 US

[gusty mirage]

finnish or not

you're top 1 in my heart

and I'm in the US

[burnt latch]

Youre the toppest man i know

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

The most top

And the toppiest

[spice spire]

Aww it’s back to normal

[storm belfry]

Huge!!

I hit 2900 something before work this morning. So now I got more work to do to catch up

I think I’m like 8 points off my main now lol

[gusty mirage]

How are y’all still logging in

God bless

[storm belfry]

Thanks oxi

I log in to show ppl that sin can do damage

[gusty mirage]

I tried that for a week and got bored

[storm belfry]

Also my sub is free (at least until 3 years from now) so of course I’ll log in

[burnt latch]

This week hammered all my last hopes in

[storm belfry]

This week has been terrible for me pug wise

[gusty mirage]

I log in for raid, do 1 key, call it quits

[storm belfry]

I just need an AA and I think I have all 22s 23s on tyran

[gusty mirage]

Need to preserve my sanity for 10.1 when I do 50 keys week 1 again

[burnt latch]

I did one key on wednesday, got absolutely infuriated at explosives spawning in first pull of AA, bricked the key and havent touched the game since

[storm belfry]

Idk this is the third class I’ve geared up to like 418 so I think that’s why I still play

[burnt latch]

Im now officially retired from keys till 10.1

[storm belfry]

I just play a lot of diff shit

[burnt latch]

Only logging in twice a week to raid

[storm belfry]

Also rogue is fun

[gusty mirage]

I did a 21 smbg for my weekly and they almost inted it on the last boss

[spice spire]

You’ve changed

[storm belfry]

It’s terrible but I think I am seriously about to gear my paladin or my shaman

[spice spire]

The original herbie would never quit

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

Shaman is apparently stonks rn

ig

Rsham that is

[storm belfry]

Enh good but I’ve never played. Only resto and ele

I was debating resto even tho I always talk shit about it as a rdruid player

[gusty mirage]

Enhance is carpal tunnel speed run any %

[storm belfry]

So I’ve heard lmfao

[burnt latch]

No joke this season has completely drained any enjoyment i had for m+ and this game, the dungeons are just straight ass compared to shadowlands, and thats saying something

[storm belfry]

For paladin idk it’s kinda geared for holy already. So idk if I want to go through trying to re gear for ret

[gusty mirage]

Amen brother

[storm belfry]

I mean it’s below 400 but like. Farming a weapon and shit sigh

[burnt latch]

So now we just raid log and hope next seasons dungeons are better

[storm belfry]

I cba

Already crafted two int weapons

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage

i got me a mythic boon

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

idk who said it but they right, we blooming and booning

[storm belfry]

I got crucified when I said I missed shadowlands

Season 4 was fun

[gusty mirage]

I took a socket I didn’t need over a mythic boon

[storm belfry]

I really miss halls of atonement

[burnt latch]

S3 and S4 m+ was insanely fun

[storm belfry]

Why do you live to hurt me

[burnt latch]

Now we got fucking TJSP

[brazen zodiac]

boon is so fun

[oak sky]

:imgonnaboon:

[storm belfry]

Yeah I wasn’t raidin and was taking a break on my Druid just playing my lock (lol meta) and just doing the absolute highest keys I ever done

[brazen zodiac]

i feel based shadowstepping boon'd

[gusty mirage]

And RLP

[storm belfry]

And had a blast

[gusty mirage]

[storm belfry]

I just really miss the old dungeons

[storm belfry]

RLP is actually SUPER BASED and fun as assa

[burnt latch]

Theres nobody in the whole game excited about a TJSP key

[gusty mirage]

I hated shadowlands dungeons and I’d rather do them over this pool

[storm belfry]

I truly enjoy that dungeon

[burnt latch]

Like its just straight ass

[storm belfry]

Temple is a terrible dungeon

[gusty mirage]

There isn’t a good week for it either

[storm belfry]

No diversity in runs

Lame bosses

[burnt latch]

THIS

[storm belfry]

Stupid trash

[burnt latch]

its just shit

[gusty mirage]

W key, miserable bosses, miserable trash

[oak sky]

honestly i dont think any of these are as bad as spires but a lot of them are close

[storm belfry]

God spires

I hate that dungeon

Think my top 3 I miss are halls, mists and sanguine depths

[oak sky]

halls and sd top 2

[burnt latch]

Spires was absolutely miserable, and its still better than 50% of keys this season

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather do alliance siege of Boralus than tjs

[storm belfry]

I just loved SD on high keys cause the healing was real. Only healing needed in that expac was in that dungeon

[burnt latch]

I despised spires

[gusty mirage]

On tyran week

[storm belfry]

Spires worst RP

[oak sky]

im pretty sure every key in SL needed more healing than the keys right now

lmao

[storm belfry]

Nah

[brazen zodiac]

started with a 24 tjs

[storm belfry]

It’s back to Slands

[brazen zodiac]

now its at 22

💃

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather do a +26 tyrannical top than a 20 tjs

[storm belfry]

No dungeons do damage

[oak sky]

healers will literally dps the whole key besides 1 boss

[gusty mirage]

How about that one

[storm belfry]

Yeah am healer

[brazen zodiac]

oh yeah?

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather get one tapped by xav’s jump

[brazen zodiac]

i rather play league of legends

[gusty mirage]

Than ever do temple of the jade fuck again

[oak sky]

sbg

[burnt latch]

Temple isnt even the worst

SBG

[storm belfry]

The duo in NO and hyrja

[burnt latch]

is

Soooooooo bad

[storm belfry]

Bout the only things that need healing

[burnt latch]

Like holy fuck

Who designed sbg

And the fat worm

[storm belfry]

Rest of the shit is nothing

[gusty mirage]

Would SBG be as bad if bonemaw wasn’t 18 minutes long?

[storm belfry]

I mean that’s literally like shadowlands tho. SD had 2nd and 3rd boss

[burnt latch]

And the mobs that just fucking body slam u for 800k

Randomly

[storm belfry]

Hardest hitting bosses of expac

[oak sky]

i think it would still be pretty bad, but thats obviously a huge downside

[eager solstice]

People are so over dramatic sometimes in this sun yikes

[uncut echo]

running with some DOMS goobers and having a blast

[burnt latch]

2nd boss is also just afking for 4 minutes

[storm belfry]

Yeah it’s so long for no reason

And then you die cause the graphical error

[burnt latch]

Nah i cant thinking how shit this season is is making me mad

[oak sky]

part of it is end of season shit tbf

[gusty mirage]

Like if I had to pick any dungeon this season, I’d rather smbg than most of the others

[oak sky]

smbg is a straight line

[storm belfry]

I like this season but if you don’t like this season now you won’t like next season at all

[gusty mirage]

RLP is fine now, except for the last boss

[burnt latch]

Shadowlands m+ was the most fun thing i could do in the game, now its a chore

[regal sable]

wotlk

[gusty mirage]

Got punished in a +23 cause we got the dragon to 50% “too fast”

[oak sky]

next season has at least 4 bad dungeons 💀

[storm belfry]

I can’t man

[gusty mirage]

And he double fire spit our healer

And he just died lmfao

[storm belfry]

Takes 3 years to level 10 levels

Then all you can do is GDKP

I cba

I’m broke

[regal sable]

0 friends angle

[gusty mirage]

Same

[storm belfry]

Yeah idk anyone who plays besides one dude

On Pagle

And they raid at ducking 1 am to 3 or 4

It’s just a bunch of 45 + YOs

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

[burnt latch]

I did 2200 m+ runs in shadowlands

[regal sable]

most of my friends quit early df for wotlk so im just catching up with them again

its nice

I missed them

[burnt latch]

Im burned out after 200 in dragonflight

[storm belfry]

I always love the idea of playing classic

[gusty mirage]

I think I was close to that

[storm belfry]

But realistically I cannot play it

[burnt latch]

Tells u alot

[gusty mirage]

I did 1700 in bfa

Over 2k in SL

I’ve done less than 200 in DF and I’m done lmao

[storm belfry]

I mean I literally just bought a boost for a 4th toon and I refunded it this morning. Cause I just couldn’t level. The zones are terrible in WOTLK

[burnt latch]

Yeah dude

Its so sad

They ruined m+ for me this season

[storm belfry]

Grizzly hills best one tho

[gusty mirage]

They rebalanced the affix combos to make it 100 times more annoying

[burnt latch]

Its so unenjoyable

[gusty mirage]

First week of m+? Grievous bursting tyran fuck you healers

[earnest remnant]

i havent enjoyed m+ since bfa

[storm belfry]

Bursting is my fav affix

As healer

Also Grevious ain’t shit

[gusty mirage]

Week 1 it was

When everyone was 380 ilvl lmao

[storm belfry]

If you can’t heal it you are bad (or your class is just terrible. Looking at you pre nerf shaman)

Grevious is an issue for any class that isn’t Druid

[gusty mirage]

Weekly no leaving a 17

[storm belfry]

So I was blessed

[gusty mirage]

Hour long nokhuds man

[storm belfry]

Yeah there is no reason for that shit

[burnt latch]

Was just full sending enjoying keys in SL on all my chars

Now u cant pay me to go do one

[gusty mirage]

Nokhud actually broke me

Then dathea spit on my corpse

[storm belfry]

It’s just so long of a dungeon

[burnt latch]

Sbg did it for me

[earnest remnant]

only time i actually do m+ is when im boosting guildies alts

[storm belfry]

NO takes way too long

[burnt latch]

Sbg drained my sanity

[storm belfry]

How

SBG is so easy

[gusty mirage]

It takes forever

[storm belfry]

SBG is short in comparison to NO

[gusty mirage]

And last boss on tyran can brick the key if your ranged is el dumbo

[burnt latch]

Nokhud is easy too

[gusty mirage]

Nokhud is just miserable

[burnt latch]

That has nothing to do with what makes me enjoy a dungeon

Junkyard was easy, and it was my least liked dungeon in S4

[storm belfry]

Junkyard had fun pulls

[gusty mirage]

I really really liked the taz dungeons

[storm belfry]

NO has like two fun ones

[oak sky]

junkyard sucks lmao

[storm belfry]

I only liked gambit

Cause i was locking it up

Getting PI

And broken

The other one sucked

Hated dpsing it hated healing it

[gusty mirage]

Trying to think of what other dungeons we had that season

Oh fuck karazhan

[burnt latch]

Idk never understood the ”this key is easy therefor its fun”

[storm belfry]

I didn’t mean that

[gusty mirage]

Lower’s timer was so free

And I hated it

[storm belfry]

The worst dungeon

Was grimrail

[spice spire]

My issue is the delta between dungeons I enjoy (AA, CoS even if a bit boring, etc) and those I don’t (AV, HoV, NO) is immense

[gusty mirage]

The train

[storm belfry]

Idk why they couldn’t have the potion

Remove the ceiling

[gusty mirage]

You ever have the adds just not spawn on that first boss?

[burnt latch]

100%

[spice spire]

I loved the train

[earnest remnant]

season 2 and 4 of bfa, is where all of my fond memories are with m+

rest has been horrible

[oak sky]

next season with new affixes

[storm belfry]

Yeah it’ll be bad

New explosives is trash

[gusty mirage]

Snap spots made dungeons fun

[storm belfry]

Incorp is terrible

[gusty mirage]

And it wasn’t an interrupt fiesta

And tanks didn’t get obliterated

[earnest remnant]

well

as rogue you did a fuck load of cc

[oak sky]

forcing us to do vortex and HoI and ulda and brackenhide

[burnt latch]

I disliked Spires of ascension a lot, but I could stand it. I cant stand sbg, like it makes me want to finish the key and log off for the night if i have to go there to up keys or whatever

[gusty mirage]

You could pull big

[spice spire]

True

[gusty mirage]

And it was fun to try new shit outb

[burnt latch]

Never had thst issue before in other seasons

[earnest remnant]

but it was easy to pull off and you didn't need 10 AoE stops

it was just 1-2 mobs that were important

[spice spire]

I’m also not a temple enjoyer

[gusty mirage]

Spires had the issue where it was too linear

And it’s still not as bad as smbg lmao

[oak sky]

spires had a ton of unfun packs

[spice spire]

Those dungeons create very little wiggle room for creativity and just have annoying ass packs

[gusty mirage]

Bro the biggest terrorist packs weren’t even the elites

[spice spire]

Temple, you can skip some pandas and pull other pandas

[earnest remnant]

my body is ready for underrot and freihaven

[gusty mirage]

It was the spear throwing fuckers

[burnt latch]

Temple, sbg, AV, RLP and COS all just trigger a ”do we have to” thing in me that never happened in previous seasons

[oak sky]

blizzard is hellbent on forced trash

like

1 trash pack required before a boss

fine

but 4

on every boss

like nokhud

[gusty mirage]

I think that’s why s4 bfa was so good

[spice spire]

RLP

[gusty mirage]

It let you pull legit however you wanted

[oak sky]

i think some forced trash is ok

and i think its important to have linear routes available

[burnt latch]

I honestly enjoy doing AA, HoV and Nokhud a fair bit

[oak sky]

but having choice is really good

[burnt latch]

But not enough to outweigh doing the 5 shit ones

[oak sky]

i like aa hov and cos

[gusty mirage]

Hyrrja in hov is toxic

Besides that I think the rest of the dungeon is fine

[burnt latch]

Its a tough boss, but I think its fair

U die if your healer doesnt do hps

Bish bosh

[subtle tundra]

There's no dungeon in the current pool that makes me go yea let's run that key. It's all choosing the lesser evil

[burnt latch]

Good old hps check

[earnest remnant]

dont think i enjoy a single dungeon this season

[storm belfry]

It’s fun

[burnt latch]

Yeah pretty much, apart from AA

[oak sky]

rlp is mid

[storm belfry]

First boss feels so good as sin

[gusty mirage]

cos is so boring too

[earnest remnant]

ive become a full raid logger

[storm belfry]

ESP w boon

[burnt latch]

AA is really good imo

[gusty mirage]

Esp after they changed the buffs

[earnest remnant]

AA is if i had to pick

[oak sky]

i think they overdid the nerf to last boss

[earnest remnant]

my fav one

[spice spire]

I’m not an rlp enjoyer.
It’s not even the tuning

[gusty mirage]

The engineering orb is just perma ignore

[subtle tundra]

Aa just has no route variation

You play same mobs

Every time

[storm belfry]

Almost like every dungeon

[burnt latch]

Theres actually been quite a few varied routes recently in AA

[oak sky]

they just dont want tanks to have to make routes

[uncut echo]

we gaming soon?

[burnt latch]

a lot of the top teams doing different stuff depending on their comp

[gusty mirage]

Yeah which is why I think a lot of people hate these dungeons

[subtle tundra]

Yea recently and the season ends in less than 2 months

Should have been varied from month 1

[spice spire]

Ordered dinner, once done eating we’re ready to game

Taking all rats

[uncut echo]

Enjoy your dinner, I'm going to get a slushie from Sonic

[burnt latch]

But yeah mostly I agree

[earnest remnant]

my brain just forgot for a sec that you guys are on the other side of the world

i was just sitting there

slushie at 2 in the morning?

[subtle tundra]

8t doesn't help that I don't like current assa in m+. Ic makes it so fucking boring

And sub isn't any more fun either

The numbers make it bearable

[spice spire]

Pad Thai at two in the morning

[burnt latch]

I think the specs are fine, thats not really an issue for me

[spice spire]

And nah it’s getting delivered, it’ll be about an hour and a half

[earnest remnant]

bruh im sitting here playing league aram at 2am

[subtle tundra]

It's 3 in the morning and in 5 hrs the gp starts 👍

[earnest remnant]

TRUE DUDE

its the reason im up

[spice spire]

More like league haram

[storm belfry]

I had to get one of those orange cream ones for my pregnant wife the other day lmao

Always gotta ask for extra ice cream

[earnest remnant]

i need to watch the f1 race

[storm belfry]

Todays order for me is to get popcorn from the movie theatres

[subtle tundra]

I'mma sleep watch gp go back to sleep

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

You got a rat that needs keys mister oxi

[gusty mirage]

Blackvneck is bigly now

406 ilvl

[spice spire]

Yeah black vneck isn’t a rat

He’s like

[oak sky]

Blackvneck lets go

[spice spire]

Half a rat

Same with quakethree

[gusty mirage]

I’m actually enjoying my warlock so much

[oak sky]

Whenever my buddy gets to level 60 next week im hopping on agreonmoon

Gotta prep the mf

[gusty mirage]

It does damage, has good utility

[storm belfry]

Everyone can enjoy a warlock

They are busted

[gusty mirage]

Can do stops

[storm belfry]

I did one key since they had their buffs

[uncut echo]

SO TRUE

[gusty mirage]

The destro buffs were overboard

[storm belfry]

But I forgot why I don’t play it anymore. Until I logged in

[uncut echo]

Wife and I are trying for a kid in the next 3 months

[storm belfry]

My trinkets are actually so bad oxi

On my lock

It makes me mad

[spice spire]

Congrats

[gusty mirage]

Bro I’m using a spiteful storm

[uncut echo]

And I am excited for all the goofy lil cravings

[gusty mirage]

[storm belfry]

I have horn of valor and eye of skovald. Now granted. Neither are bad

But together

It’s terrible

So much main stat lost

It’s bad

Also both are 405. My lowest ilvl stuff

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’d trade one of those for my 411 rasz trinket

[storm belfry]

Good luck!!

[gusty mirage]

In a heartbeat

[storm belfry]

My 2nd is popping out in august

[uncut echo]

Thank you 🥰

[storm belfry]

Gonna get that SNIP sometime soon

[gusty mirage]

Okay time to go finish making dinner

Bye friends

[storm belfry]

Bye oxi

[uncut echo]

Have a wondrous dinner

[spice spire]

Good luck oxi! If you need any later just ping me

[uncut echo]

I have limited ammo at my disposal to keep it frank lmao

So we only have a couple tries

What'd you order for dinner?

[spice spire]

Val and i are a couple of years off but it stops at 2

Pad Thai, and Val drunken noodle

[uncut echo]

Yeah. Linz wants 8 but I want 2.

[spice spire]

8

[uncut echo]

She's mennonite

[spice spire]

New lore dropped

[uncut echo]

They didn't know how to stop fucking

[spice spire]

What the actual heck

The dream

[storm belfry]

Man

[uncut echo]

LMAOOOI

[storm belfry]

I didn’t even want this one that’s coming. Cause I only wanted one kid

But I fucked up one night

After her work Christmas party

I was drunk

[uncut echo]

Her mother was one of 8

My wife is one of 4

[spice spire]

Now you really want this one right? (I’m saving you here)

[storm belfry]

I just wanted one kid

[uncut echo]

Each of the 8 has like 6 kids

[storm belfry]

I meant I only wanted one quake lmao

My wording was BAD

but yeah I’m excited now

[spice spire]

Nah only child kinda sucked ngl

Val and I were both only children

[storm belfry]

But at first I wasn’t really too excited but not like me hating it you know

[spice spire]

Two seems like a fair compromise

[storm belfry]

Was just like damn I made a poor choice

Yeah my girl said that she didn’t want him to be only child anyway so. Just how it is!

We find out what it is in 13 days

Or so

[spice spire]

Hope you get a girl and a boy overall (idk what your first is) to prevent some of the fighting

[storm belfry]

We want another boy

Boys are just easier

We already have two nieces. One is 2 years older than our son and the other niece is like 5 months younger

[oak sky]

I gotta try drunken noodles sometime everyone says theyre so good

[spice spire]

Vals favorite

They go nutso

[oak sky]

Ive had pad see ew

That was really good

[storm belfry]

What is drunken noodles

I’m intrigued

[spice spire]

Pad Kee Maow

[earnest remnant]

mao mao

[gaunt moat]

checks sin channel
Yeah seems about right.

[storm belfry]

Hm

[earnest remnant]

mao=cat

[storm belfry]

That seems good

[spice spire]

Tracks why Val loves it

[earnest remnant]

its my cat's name

we just kill her mao

which just means cat

xD

[spice spire]

You named your cat, cat?

[earnest remnant]

yep

[spice spire]

[earnest remnant]

the curveball is yeh

mao is Chinese for cat

and we arent chinese

[spice spire]

Vals naming scheme is Disney characters only

[earnest remnant]

my mom just comes up with random shit

[oak sky]

oh no

[earnest remnant]

our german sheperd is called In-na

[storm forum]

hold up

where did Doomblade go?

[royal lantern]

the dooming never goes away

🙏

[storm forum]

true

[stiff tartan]

i really want to learn Aass but i feel like exsanguinate is difficult to use so how is it to replace it with something else in the m+ like in IC + DTB build ?

[balmy condor]

in m+ you just play master assassin instead

does about the same

[stiff tartan]

how about if i want to play ass in raid is it bad to play without exsanguinate in raid aswell ?

[balmy condor]

it's about a 2% loss in raid

you'd swap it out for improved poisons

[stiff tartan]

is there any macro that is very handy for ass rogue aswell ?

[storm belfry]

Only macro I use is a tricks macro

[ivory bay]

where can i find sims about onyx annulet ring?

[brazen lantern]

Which m+ build do you guys use, dragon tempo blade or arty precision?

[storm belfry]

IC + DTB

[balmy condor]

you can use the input in #tc-research if you'd like

[ivory bay]

ye helped me a bit ty

[drifting cosmos]

another day without sin buff

[royal lantern]

mate

its sunday

[balmy condor]

maybe we need to permanently rename the channel to doomblade

[spice spire]

true and real

coomblade for the night time tho

[storm belfry]

I actually liked it

[neon kindle]

Doin the lords work