i set my ui/keybinds very similar to wow in terms of like the party, the UI layout moving quest log to corner and character stats to corner
#assassination
brazen zodiac
the wasd part is uhhh
balmy condor
and you can't change that
brazen zodiac
honestly i at first did not like
but the second i turned y to interact on quests
i was like ok this game bis
balmy condor
yeh you don't need your mouse a lot of the time
brazen zodiac
u rly dont
now i can kinda smoothly accept quest access quest log then to map etc
its nice
static glacier
how many unstable elementium are needed to upgrade a gem to max lvl?
royal lantern
shh noob im the new whispyr
oh really? where are the nudes then?
balmy condor
shh noob im the new whispyr
I heard you eat paint chips
static glacier
thorn fjord
Tartaros gaming tbh
eager solstice
Whispery, how are you enjoying your new ring?
balmy condor
it's fine
I still hate that it's a thing I need to do
but it's whatever
does damage
we like damage
brazen zodiac
I heard you eat paint chips
actually i eat mac n cheese at 4 am with garlic powder and red pepper flakes
then question why i feel absolutely awful for 3 hours
u on the other hand bro, u eat paint chips idk
royal lantern
we like damage
speak for yourself, i dont like dmg
thorn fjord
Morning Diarrhea always fun
balmy condor
Morning Diarrhea always fun
lime junco
still freezing/humming/obscure after the humming adjustment?
brazen zodiac
Morning Diarrhea always fun
no
no nothing i experienced was fun
you are spreading misinformation !
now add a dog who can also open doorknobs ontop of that
thorn fjord
lolol
balmy condor
still freezing/humming/obscure after the humming adjustment?
pins
lime junco
ty thought they changed the deliours/prophetic interaction
grim jay
except humming
static glacier
inb4 wowhead not being updated will make this question repeat forever
balmy condor
yeh humming got wrecked
balmy condor
inb4 wowhead not being updated will make this question repeat forever
wowheads gonna be updated by tonight
brazen zodiac
ono i upgraded it
owell those things r so easy to get
the fragments that u can use to gamba
grim jay
I'm still sad none of the shielding stones are competitive
are you a rogue tank ? 
static glacier
my alt does more dmg 😢
static glacier
I can't become a hunter
only played it for diurna for p2 ranged not cluttering melee
grim jay
"dont worry, hes just an alt"
brazen zodiac
just play survival hunter ez
static glacier
idk why my alt has mythic icon while main chilling with hc icon out here
grim jay
thats how it began
brazen zodiac
my hunter has all like m+3 ilvl tier pieces with avoidance on it, my healer all 415 w/ leech
my rogue 0 with 0 and more 0
the luck as not been yellow this tier
static glacier
wowhead already updated
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/primordial-stones-onyx-annulet is it? no mention of twilight + desirous
balmy condor
it is
you're just cached to the old version
refresh in 5 min and it'll work prolly
static glacier
I'm almost 30. 😦 feelsoldman
thorn fjord
pfft
grim jay
I'm almost 30. 😦 feelsoldman
did you already think about how you wanna get buried
brazen zodiac
did you already think about how you wanna get buried
should i not be thinking about this at 22
grim jay
should i not be thinking about this at 22
never too early. we should get burned and let the wind carry our ash away
so we can be free once
thorn fjord
Only thing you should be thinking about at 22 is a career path and how you're gonna score your next piece of booty @brazen zodiac
thorny pond
Yea, 32 is when you debate the qualities of an oak or pine casket
round swift
can you explain why prophetic is up there? is it cause you double dip from blood procs?
balmy condor
ye
runic hinge
Yea, 32 is when you debate the qualities of an oak or pine casket
Damn I’m about to turn 33
Ps just throw me in the trash
thorny pond
Damn I’m about to turn 33
35 is when you open a saving account to retire. 40 is when you realize you contributed less than $50 and inflation is going to make your retirement plan dying on the floor of an amazon warehouse
thorn fjord
I'm 36 still trying to figure shit out man
balmy condor
aren't you 20?
23
grim jay
"how ugly do you want the new mounts to be ?"
blizzard: "yes"
runic hinge
At 24 I decided working for the govt was my best chance at healthcare and a retirement. USPS here I come
royal lantern
"how ugly do you want the new mounts to be ?"
blizzard: "yes"
how is that ugly
thorny pond
"how ugly do you want the new mounts to be ?"
blizzard: "yes"
that's sexy
royal lantern
you big dummy
round swift
"how ugly do you want the new mounts to be ?"
blizzard: "yes"
I dig it
royal lantern
grim jay
I'm whispyr approved
brazen zodiac
Only thing you should be thinking about at 22 is a career path and how you're go...
funny enough
subtle tundra
"how ugly do you want the new mounts to be ?"
blizzard: "yes"
thats so cool no cap
brazen zodiac
im working on 1 i just need to complete an internship and then ill be able to take a big test that lets me work in special conditional stuff for a year
and then after that i get my license. i just have to learn how 2 drive. learn how 2drive4head zz
thorn fjord
Fuck yeah
brazen zodiac
actually correction. i have to klearn how to drive. then learn how to drive a hearse
which an entirely different license 💃
thorn fjord
You need a CDL to drive a hearse?
strange python
A hearse? You taking sin to our grave?
brazen zodiac
uhh no a cdl but its like
thorn fjord
Assuming its something kind of similar
thorny pond
You need a CDL to drive a hearse?
need a CDL to drive deez nuts
brazen zodiac
id have to grab my drivers manual to find the actual name of it but its similar to a drivers license its just a little more requirements
basically just one that lets u drive heavier cars but not trucks
brazen zodiac
i dont want a cdl i watched my brother and my dad drive a firetruck/garbage truck that was the most anxious shit i ever watched
team of 5 people to back up a firetruck like wat no thank u ill keep my tiny black hearse
once i learn how to drive ima be pickin up my life LMFAO
grim jay
internet told me black things arent tiny
thorn fjord
When i was 16 i got a job at a car shop and had never actually driven before... They asked me to move a Ford explorer out to the front and i completely fucked up the whole side on a tree
Got fired my first day LMAO
brazen zodiac
internet told me black things arent tiny
STOP.
grim jay
the company I'm working at sells and services construction machinery
once drove a 55t dumper a few meters backwards
holy
brazen zodiac
Yea, 32 is when you debate the qualities of an oak or pine casket
oak better but pine can look nicer with stains
actually u can make pine look like maplewood with stains its kinda cool
brave gazelle
english oak>
brazen zodiac
rosewood oak is really pretty but for some reason most coffins are made with it, like theres some caskets u can buy but that are rosewood but not many
thorny pond
DH discord is gonna bury me so they can let me down one last time
thorny pond
lmao. I just wanna be put in a boat and archers can lite it ablaze
brazen zodiac
sorry they dont allow Viking funerals anymroe
at least not in amercia :C
but u can request to be eaten by vultures
sky burials are p common in europe and in Nevada
royal lantern
sky burials are p common in europe and in Nevada
wut
litearlly NEVER heard about it 
thorn fjord
Let me go the hunter a Thomson route
Cremate me and shoot me out of a cannon
Hunter S*
brazen zodiac
wut
also idk why i said nevada i meant areas in china
multitasking is too hard at this age idk
placid ermine
this may be a stupid question, but before buffs to stones 415 AA ring was beating annulet with bis combo for assa, and it was speculated that extra auto attack dmg may be a big reason for that. Why is it that the stone that does basically triple the increase of AA ring is not even close to being top stone then? (415 AA ring is 167, gleaming iron stone is 428)
and before some kind soul tells me to sim the stone, i know it's not bis, i'm just wondering why
frozen jasper
is pin up to date on on stones
Yes, should be
placid ermine
is buff part of the actual shield and falls of if shield is broken?
indigo ginkgo
up times ?
placid ermine
well that much i know, but that's also not the only stone you can insert
and it was specifically AA ring, not any other ring
also i worded it incorrectly, i meant pre all buffs
so basically release state
i swear fuu was linking some ptr stuff few days before about 415 ring even beating annulet slightly
how to find it now tho 20k messages ago
gimme a moment
this
that seems reasonable
i didnt know that was the case on ptr
if you search bar
nope, aa ring beats it
you should find a message by fuu
well i didnt read past that post at the time, and ofc u dont really go back on this discord cuz of the ammount of messages
so as i said, i didnt know that was the case at the time
and what you say seems reasonable
high berry
Is there an updated list of what primordial stones are BIS after the changes from yesterday ?
oblique jackal
Jeeez giga nerfs
echo heath
Oh good they're going to give more eye customization, I don't need buffs now for sin
gusty mirage
can't you cry about it on twitter or something
misty kernel
ok 5ayye wala yhemak 😄
gusty mirage
ya3ne da5enta, you know they don't read this discord and if they do they don't care
twilit hollow
@balmy condor
stuck knoll
Too slow
balmy condor
you're KSing my minions bro
oak tangle
why'd he have to choose the sin tag of all his options
craggy oak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/962199394642456656/1088694587503153173/im...
Oop is that a rogue spec i see in the top 50%
Blizz must have missed that off the nerfs
oak tangle
I believe we have 6 weeks until new patch. so not much time left for patch notes
balmy condor
i only pinged u cause i know u and oxi but oxi was on dnd
If I was on home network I would've beat ronkles to the punch, damn this work wifi
storm belfry
can't you cry about it on twitter or something
trail root
quick question... is the Prophetic Twilight Stone getting around the PPM of the other stones, does the Prophetic Twilight Stone have a PPM I can find?
balmy condor
you can dig through the simc code to find it I guess
idk why you would need to know that though
oak tangle
it'd have to have one right? or else at least an ICD otherwise desirous would be an infinite loop
balmy condor
ye
idk, with all the gems there's been an explosion of people asking for ppm and icd's and shit
I don't see the appeal
99% of the time it's like "oh its 2ppm, how neat"
storm forum
if I have echoing thunder should I press sprint on CD to fidget faster?
royal lantern
balmy condor
if I have echoing thunder should I press sprint on CD to fidget faster?
technically yes
storm forum
technically yes
thanks i hate it
gusty mirage
if I have echoing thunder should I press sprint on CD to fidget faster?
take that bad boy
and throw it the garbagio
brazen zodiac
not doing that cuz its a bad habit XD
well im trash so maybe u can function pressing adad
but i cant 💃
runic hinge
Gotta keep that apm up with useless movement
nimble tartan
its not a bad habit at all it keeps your brain engaged i used to do that but now i just have my ipad propped up on my 2nd monitor playing temple run and subway surfer videos to keep me engaged
brazen zodiac
idk i felt it was a bad habit cuz i was getting hit by shit due to it
so like i said im just poop so i dont do it
but shit if ur faker then by all means adad away gamer
balmy condor
if you aren't trying to play assassination like you're comboing in street fighter, are you even an ADHD zoomer popping your 4th adderall during raid?
runic hinge
Vayne tumble irl
brazen zodiac
im probably wrong but im pretty sure he lost that series too
rolled into the loser bracket 😢
runic hinge
There’s no loser bracket in league worlds
Also idk what year that is off the top of my head but I don’t think he’s won since 2016
empty dawn
if you aren't trying to play assassination like you're comboing in street fighte...
Setting up hotkeys for my hitbox
Actually if I give up all defensives it might just work…
But then I lose a jump button and I can’t play wow without spamming jump. Experiment failed
storm belfry
hm, didn't know the stones were combined on details now
gusty mirage
hm, didn't know the stones were combined on details now
neat
brazen zodiac
There’s no loser bracket in league worlds
no there isnt
but after that SKT was kinda in the shitter for like 2 years if u watched LCK
runic hinge
but after that SKT was kinda in the shitter for like 2 years if u watched LCK
I got to watch lck some then with my work schedule. Now I just read post game threads on Reddit.
lucid birch
yo someone come do a 22 rlp
brazen zodiac
hm, didn't know the stones were combined on details now
yay
storm belfry
yo someone come do a 22 rlp
I will
lucid birch
yeah
runic hinge
yo why is my dm way at the bottomw
Details shows dm’s damage as only it’s bleed not the duplicated bleeds and poisons
distant tapir
is this how your ramps look like?
dense hamlet
spice spire
me rn
wind condor
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
thorn fjord
Took me 3 hours to dismantle old desk set up new one and re do whole office
No gaming today 😩
brazen zodiac
what kind of desk do u have
brazen zodiac
mine is like one long one with three shelves connected to it so the yearly spring cleaning is quite fucking miserable
thorn fjord
thorn fjord
When I eat I can just move the keyboard in front of the mat… bit cluttered now but I still gotta tiddy up in the am
brazen zodiac
is this directly over where u would sit or does it just look like that
thorn fjord
Slightly behind where my head would be
brazen zodiac
ur crazy
thorn fjord
Never had a ceiling fan fall once
Lol
36 years of living not once
Watch it happen now… I’ll come looking for you
thorn fjord
Yeah that’s traumatizing
brazen zodiac
nah it just broke like a lot of shit and glass just kinda went everywhere
thorn fjord
Y’all crazy letting the cat hang out on the desk tho
brazen zodiac
but uh...alsoo
thorn fjord
Fur everywhere
brazen zodiac
i literally can't get on a plane lol
frosty rune
why all top rogues start running assassination instead of sub?
balmy condor
sounds bait
frosty rune
brazen zodiac
:o?
spice spire
Wdym casualaddict well known assassination enjoyer 
spice spire
Man I love lolae tho.
I know homie isn’t near but man.
He has dedication
frosty rune
why does it show they're all specd into it? visual bug?
gusty mirage
raider io does not display spec on the leaderboards for rogue
that's the rogue icon homie
spice spire
It doesn’t that’s just rogue symbol
frosty rune
ah was getting them mixed my b
drifting cloud
gusty mirage
all good, doesn't help that wcl uses a dif set of icons
frosty rune
I was confused thinking they knew something I didn't lmao
gusty mirage
as for raid
people prolly bored on farm
trying something dif
like this @ebon notch stinker is trying to get top parses on all 3 specs I think
frosty rune
I thought maybe onyx ann was nutty with assassination rogue
gusty mirage
it's actually the worst for assassination
spice spire
Ret main 
silk bane
^ I know for farm I ran assassination since we are just zug zugging bosses and sin generally has good boos damage
gusty mirage
ebon notch
Feels very cringe not parsing cause you didn't one phase eranog
gusty mirage
the ring puts sub squarely ahead of assassination single target now
silk bane
^ last night on terros after the nerfs i did 91k something and our sin did 82 LUL
4:50 timer too
near valley
Assassination 
silk bane
he parsed like a 78 with that i was actually in tears
near valley
still better ST than outlaw
I did not come here to be hit with the truth ok
gusty mirage
I did not come here to be hit with the truth ok
it's okay, sub rogue still like 15k behind aff lock
it do be that way sometimes
near valley
Aff redemption arc
silk bane
aff redemption arc hasnt even started yet.
on ptr theyre like 30k ahead of everyone else
spice spire
Nah fuck lock
near valley
15k b4 or after they fixed the bug?
silk bane
after
near valley
Nah fuck lock
spice spire
If they’re not bottom 3 for the next 2 years then they have it better than they deserve
gusty mirage
rank 1 terros is outlaw
damn bro
spice spire
gusty mirage
insane
silk bane
yeah
gusty mirage
max outlaw patchwerk is like 94k not including the new ring
assassination max patchwerk
is 101k
w/o new ring
when look at max percentile
you'll see a lot more high rolls on the variance
naturally
that's just so many moving parts that dictate actual raid performance
silk bane
yeah I know Im just teasing at this point its just bashing sin for the memes tbh
silk bane
LMFAO dude have u seen aff lock on raz?
silk bane
AFTER the bugg fixes btw
near valley
I like aff so I'm all for that jazz
gusty mirage
near valley
Fuck the other two though
gusty mirage
oh another outlaw snuck in
near valley
near valley
Cause it's harder to play than the other two and isn't just roll ur face on the keyboard
Also it's a DoT spec so 
silk bane
yeah thats probably why! the dot thingy just hits too close
good to see a dot spec do well
silk bane
maybe they can make other dot specs good too cough cough cough
near valley
Destro is feelsad hours if any movement is involved
near valley
silk bane
near valley
Too bad KJC isn't a thing anymore
near valley
Rogue went from good shit at the start
gusty mirage
the funny thing is
even if rogue never got nerfed
if on release rogue was still around
silk bane
^^ IT WOULD STILL LOSE
silk bane
like the theoretical magiical pre nerf sin ST damage is legit lower than half of these specs right now
gusty mirage
assassination pre-nerf was like 98k at its highest point?
silk bane
yeah something like that
silk bane
with absoloute bis and everything and 45 sec exsang.
near valley
Why is that the case?
silk bane
then bm hunters are like bow +cct = 110k st
gusty mirage
they just buffed shit to the moon
near valley
Oh yeah true
gusty mirage
like when I said frost dk was unironically the best spec in the game
people thought I was memeing
the 3% aura nerf they just ate says otherwise
😛
near valley
Sure is
silk bane
laughs in 255k frost dk on counvil
silk bane
balanced baby
near valley
Just pray u don't press frost strike on accident
strange python
I'm a little.bit amazed that the wow community thinks hunter and lock nerfs are unnecessary
strange python
And also that I haven't seen a single comment on the wow subs or forums about rogue going ignored
silk bane
bette nerf exsang by 400% thought just to be safe
near valley
Who plays FDK though tbh
gusty mirage
I'm a little.bit amazed that the wow community thinks hunter and lock nerfs are ...
I'm convinced the wow community is perpetually smoking crack
near valley
Has almost as many players as surv kek
near valley
And also that I haven't seen a single comment on the wow subs or forums about ro...
Fuck rogues that's why
strange python
I'm convinced the wow community is perpetually smoking crack
All the "why nerf BM and marks?!?!" comments are fucking wild. Even in the "competitive" sub.
gusty mirage
when most of the high end community has raid on farm
silk bane
And also that I haven't seen a single comment on the wow subs or forums about ro...
really? im convinced the reaosn rogue has gotten less posts the entire season thant he gems have gotten in the past 2 days
is because of how good they are in keys
strange python
Sin isn't good in keys
gusty mirage
All the "why nerf BM and marks?!?!" comments are fucking wild. Even in the "comp...
competitivewow on reddit
silk bane
like fuu honestly was up to something
gusty mirage
is actually so unbelievably bad
near valley
I mean rogues ain't terrible
So not necessarily on the prio rn compared to some others
silk bane
he said dev cycles go bsaed on 1) spec popularity 2)perceived power 3)actual tuning
strange python
is actually so unbelievably bad
I mean. I get it. But I'm a little tired of perpetually hearing people bitch for druid and monk and priest buffs and never once seeing anything for rogues
silk bane
rogues percievred power is high so we aare not gonna get anythign
strange python
I have 9.0 deja vu right now going into next patch.
gusty mirage
I mean tbf monk desperately needs something
near valley
Monk is crying rn
strange python
Monk has more recorded boss kills than rogue 🙂
near valley
Aoe touch of death abusing scum
gusty mirage
monk buff is a hell of a gain
esp when you have arms warriors
doing 500 million dps in p3 rasz
strange python
I mean I get it
near valley
Arms deserves it's love
gusty mirage
those numbers are very skewed cause of the monk debuff ya know
but yeah
without mystical touch
monk is deader than rogue tbh
strange python
But rogue is "strong" right now if you look at the numbers very simplistically. Yet it's the least popular class. That should be concerning.
gusty mirage
good thing we have that one poison
silk bane
monk is deader than rogue tbh
idk what was going on today but during raid testing WWs were out dpsing rogues
gusty mirage
that no one ever knows if its applied or not
silk bane
the only rogues that could beat the were outlaw but outlaws tierset is bugged right now doing 600% more damage than intended
near valley
Placebo poison
strange python
I've also never in my life seen as much dooming from lifelong rogue players and that doesn't seem to be getting any attention.
gusty mirage
idk what was going on today but during raid testing WWs were out dpsing rogues
apparently their tier set has the potential to be bonkers
near valley
The AA one?
gusty mirage
I heard some friends talking about it
I don't really pay attention to other classes
silk bane
yea coudl be good or could be really bad not sure tbh
near valley
Must be fun to play around lmao
gusty mirage
I'm too busy trying to justify myself playing rogue in 10.1
strange python
The same people who said rogue was fine in 9.0 are distraught about rogue going into 10.1. That's wild to me.
near valley
I like outlaw tier
strange python
And like. No one cares
silk bane
like what if it forces you to hold actual cd's because u dont wnat the images to replicate worthless stuff like tiger palm or whatevr
near valley
So thats justification enough for me
silk bane
Also freehold trinket
eh i think we run bomb trinket + anvil
silk bane
aatleast for sub/outlaw idk if anvil gets benefit from mutilates double hit
strange python
There's more brewmaster logs than assassination
Brew is bad and in a role with a max of 2 classes
gusty mirage
yeah everyone hopped off the assassination band wagon
silk bane
bro what u mean brew stonks
strange python
Being generous, brew is still worse than war, bdk, and ppal
gusty mirage
the rotation isn't fun, the damage isn't there, and the tier sets are boring as fuck
strange python
Sub is strong, but this is one of the worst iterations of sub there's been from a gameplay end
silk bane
honestly, im still coping that realz is gonna do something for us in 10.1.5
silk bane
Sub is strong, but this is one of the worst iterations of sub there's been from ...
u mean this tier or next?
strange python
honestly, im still coping that realz is gonna do something for us in 10.1.5
We thought this in 10.0.5, 10.0.7, and 10.1
gusty mirage
well apparently our bug fixes are coming in 10.1
strange python
u mean this tier or next?
Both. But next is worse
gusty mirage
but the bug fixes don't address how behind rogue is
near valley
the rotation isn't fun, the damage isn't there, and the tier sets are boring as ...
Sounds like someone has decided to become a feral main 
gusty mirage
so who knows
gusty mirage
Sounds like someone has decided to become a feral main <:AYAYA:81394180387923559...
might give it a go tbh
looks fun as fuck
strange python
Sub getting most of its damage from gloomblade and rupture is fucking baffling
And next patch makes it worse
silk bane
u do realize that the best performing sub build with next tier set
litearlly doesnt take the shadow dance extra duration talents
we drop shadow dance uptime
near valley
might give it a go tbh
It's what people who have never played wow would assume is how Ass plays lmao
strange python
I've seen some truly dark days for rogues and I have never seen some of the more perpetually-upbeat players this pessimistic
gusty mirage
sadly
strange python
Legitimately have seen otherwise-always-positive people tagging realz and saying versions of "wtf is this shit?"
gusty mirage
still not as bad as rogue was in 9.0
silk bane
dude i read whispyrs wowhead post and ngl
near valley
Lmao
silk bane
it hit hard
near valley
9.0 was tragic
silk bane
like i felt his pain
gusty mirage
but at least in 9.0
strange python
still not as bad as rogue was in 9.0
People in here were more optimistic in 9.0
near valley
For a lot of peeps tbh
gusty mirage
we had the benefit of being ignored all of alpha/beta in SL
near valley
Fucking NTA surv
gusty mirage
so you kinda expected it
they literally pulled sephuz off of another game
to scramble to make rogue semi playable in SL
lol
ebon notch
they literally pulled sephuz off of another game
Who is sephuz
near valley
Now we're just here
gusty mirage
Who is sephuz
blizzard dev
has legendaries named after him
very good friend of the rogue community
ebon notch
Ye I member
near valley
Wandering in the in-between 
ebon notch
Oh nice
silk bane
probably not jk
strange python
Idk man. When I see people like seli and cev and you and whispyr and push and Koji, who all has variations of "rogue is fine enough" in 9.0, now all saying versions of "I want to quit because of this tuning and communication" it's a bad sign
near valley
probably not jk
Was also not sure if I was jk
gusty mirage
I believe "rogue is okay" in 9.0 was because outlaw and sub were still "pretty good"
like not great
near valley
Then sub became a pvp spec
bronze pike
be a ret main oxi
gusty mirage
but above average ig?
gusty mirage
be a ret main oxi
I hate strength melee classes
silk bane
ill be honest dude, ive never seen stealthi ever be negative or mad, but after testing next tier set he was ready to drop sub
bronze pike
:(
gusty mirage
I should play my warrior
near valley
Fucking hell autocorrect
bronze pike
arms im on the fence about
near valley
But aoe slam next tier
bronze pike
cause 1 target tree, 2 target tree, aoe tree
near valley
gusty mirage
10/10 tier set
strange python
Idk. Maybe I'm just tired and annoyed but I feel like when you have a community of people who perpetually are overly optimistic all on the verge of quitting or rerolling...
strange python
How many reworks is spriest going to get?
gusty mirage
"What ability does arms never press? Slam? LETS CENTER THE TIER SET AROUND THAT"
near valley
Tbf their 2 piece was bonkers
silk bane
"What ability does arms never press? Slam? LETS CENTER THE TIER SET AROUND THAT"
so like they could turn slam into a version of the old heroic strike or w/e with the stacks
which could be cool honestly
near valley
A lot of 9.2 tier was pretty good
gusty mirage
maybe
silk bane
the slam thingy is just tuning which they can fix
i think it has potential to be really good
gusty mirage
I somehow hate the 10.1 tier set more than the 9.2 assassination one
silk bane
since they can talent into things taht makes slam cleave and stuff too
theres potential
gusty mirage
and I fucking despised that tier set
I hate exsang
fucking hate it
with the entirety of my being
near valley
Waiting for the Mad Bombardier level tier sets
gusty mirage
I stockholm syndromed my way into liking it in 10.0
silk bane
and as for outlaw idk man it seems like its basically a flat auura buff
near valley
Say what u will about s4
silk bane
it has 0 interactions with anything
near valley
But some of those tier sets were gun broken
silk bane
its worhtless in terms of creativity or gameplay
near valley
Destro doing infinite rain of fires in s3 was a sight to behold
gusty mirage
its worhtless in terms of creativity or gameplay
worthless thematically as well
bronze pike
execute
gusty mirage
"Pirate theme... SOUL RIP"
silk bane
oh yeah true
gusty mirage
silk bane
u know its actually a dps loss to have the 4 set on right now on ptr?
bronze pike
divers folly
gusty mirage
Destro doing infinite rain of fires in s3 was a sight to behold
better yet
first week of s3
destro gets a 5% aura buff
for no reason
lmfao
near valley
Oh shit yeah
gusty mirage
which they never reverted btw
near valley
Cause the looked bad on ptr
near valley
But in reality was due to a bug
gusty mirage
my buddy was a destro fanboy in s2 of SL
silk bane
I genuinly think if we could get realz to have a talk with fuu or whispyr things would be so much better
gusty mirage
and goes "idk why they're buffing destro by 5%, no one has their tier set yet"
near valley
Fucking nutty stuff that tier set was
gusty mirage
I will say
near valley
Just Infinite rain and infernals
near valley
Then surv comes outta nowhere
gusty mirage
and it did giga damage
near valley
And says I can do one just as good
near valley
it was fun as fuck to play
It really was
strange python
Idk. I've said it a few times but I'm honestly still just blown away that when you TCs can't seem to get an answer from realz about plans for rogues
gusty mirage
@strange python but yeah I'm dooming because I could accept the nerfs at the time they happened, contextually they made sense
near valley
Realz has a realz life
gusty mirage
but then we saw them buff everything else to the moon
silk bane
i dont think hs allowed to talk about any of thise
gusty mirage
and now it's confusing as fuck
strange python
Realz has a realz life
He went from highly active to entirely absent, while there is probably less for him to do at his job now than there was in beta when he was active.
silk bane
<@456226577798135808> but yeah I'm dooming because I could accept the nerfs at t...
I kinda think the nerfs were done because of community hype. everyone was like oooooh rogues op look how good they are in RWF. when in reality rogues were doing really well because htey also got funneled gear.
strange python
Maybe I'm putting my own spin on it, but it honestly feels like he's afraid of talking here because he knows rogue is in a shit spot
gusty mirage
I kinda think the nerfs were done because of community hype. everyone was like o...
they 100% were
silk bane
so yeah they were good but they got funneled too and they seemed too good
gusty mirage
rogues paid for the sins of destro and survival
near valley
Maybe I'm putting my own spin on it, but it honestly feels like he's afraid of t...
Did u see when outlaw first got nerfed this season?
Brothers were going mental and calling him out
Same with Ass
Oxi was a tyrant
Slow mode enjoyer
strange python
I think the sin nerfs were always overboard. People tagging realz was stupid from people's end
But I'm not saying he should be responsive to the masses
gusty mirage
Oxi was a tyrant
bro I have to be sometimes
I was about to toss tc-research on slowmode
strange python
I'm saying it's concerning that whispyr and Oxi and fuu can't even seem to get an answer out of him
silk bane
yeah, maybe he got annoyed, maybe a higher up told him to stop talking to the community, idk
gusty mirage
because people were using it like a streamer's twitch chat
silk bane
but whatever happened hes no longer talking to us
strange python
yeah, maybe he got annoyed, maybe a higher up told him to stop talking to the co...
This wouldn't explain him posting in outlaw or offtopic
strange python
He was posting in outlaw and OT like last week
gusty mirage
the thing is, people think we don't want people to tag realz, and that's not true. We put in the rule to not tag him unless you have something intelligent to say
problem is most people go "ROGUE R SUX WHEN U FIX DUM DEV"
silk bane
based and real
strange python
I don't think me pinging him would accomplish anything
near valley
He keeps ignoring my calls to bring back uncapped bladeflurry
gusty mirage
agreon and color have been saying "I want to tag him"
near valley
His phone must be broken
gusty mirage
and I'm like bro go for it
if you have something to say that you think would help, and is a well thought out idea
go for it
strange python
I just think it is incredibly concerning that he isn't responding to you and fuu and whispyr and guy
gusty mirage
Every time I've tried tagging him infinitedude jumps all over it
beats me to it by minutes
near valley
go for it
Make exanguinate and deathmark work on all mobs with bleeds 
Outstanding idea if I do say so myself
Better go inform him
strange python
Holy fuck I'm just reading reddit comments about how locks and hunters don't need nerfs
silk bane
i lowkey miss realz. I remember when they first announced dance Macabre for sub and everyone was cheering him on! i told him ill buy him donuts when i see him and he was like oh noo i gotta go on a diet. it was a good time. but now its just like he doesn tlike us anymore
strange python
And it's making me so mad.
gusty mirage
Holy fuck I'm just reading reddit comments about how locks and hunters don't nee...
reddit is somehow worse than the wowhead comments
which is an impressive feat tbh
near valley
Always has been
strange python
reddit is somehow worse than the wowhead comments
brazen zodiac
Holy fuck I'm just reading reddit comments about how locks and hunters don't nee...
im about to link you
strange python
Like HUH
gusty mirage
"WHY FROST DK?"
brazen zodiac
something very insane.
near valley
Tbf
gusty mirage
well frost has always been good in cleave
near valley
There will always be people who say "why my class"
strange python
something very insane.
near valley
Because they can't percieve reality
strange python
TIL the top four specs aren't the best specs
near valley
Why surv hunter
gusty mirage
They gave you 2/3 free new talent points and buffed the damage on multiple abilities. Unless you just didn't fix your talents not sure how you lost 20% dps from that...
Even with a 3% nerf they'll be one of the best dps specs in the game. Considering the only ones consistently ahead of it also got nerfed not much changed really```Let them have this one thing
gusty mirage
lmao
gusty mirage
yes
silk bane
yeah dude rogues are insane cant u see the logs
near valley
Balance druid sure is low
gusty mirage
the overperforming rogues
silk bane
havoc too!
near valley
Where it belongs
oak tangle
to be fair rogues are overperforming
oak tangle
not other specs, but what we normally do
gusty mirage
storm zinc
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz
near valley
Are M+ logs even worth looking at besides for specific reasons like rotations, etc.?
gusty mirage
well I assume they mean in m+
because unless you're a crack smoker
no one's looking at rogue
silk bane
how much of their "OP damage" is boon
boon is like 5-6% of my damage in keys. im not tha thigh though im like around 3320 now i think
near valley
Buff enhance thnx
strange python
Rogue is "op" yet the least popular class in the game
strange python
Might be an issue with the gameplay then
gusty mirage
near valley
Enhance is still technically down from the 25% nerf they got in pre-patch
gusty mirage
they gave em back like 15%ish? right?
strange python
I've been a lifelong rogue and lived through some truly cursed patches, but idk if I can survive 10.1
silk bane
yeha around 15
silk bane
i think outlaws gonna survive 10.1
near valley
yeah, next time don't perform well heroic week
Sucks to suck
silk bane
dont think sub/sin will see any play
strange python
Honestly think y'all should hide the sims until week 3
near valley
Unironically
strange python
dont think sub/sin will see any play
Sub looks like it will be very strong. Just incredibly unfun to play.
near valley
Enhance is the best ST spec
strange python
Which seems to get spriest reworked all the time
near valley
If u highroll the fuck outta DRE
near valley
Cursed shit that is
silk bane
Sub looks like it will be very strong. Just incredibly unfun to play.
not really, subs getting weaker compared to what it is now
gusty mirage
cause it's not like you're rolling out pushing barbed shot and kill command
and doing 100k
while freely moving out of mechanics
gusty mirage
true
strange python
not really, subs getting weaker compared to what it is now
Tbh a lot of classes are going to get worse tier set damage additions next patch compared to now
gusty mirage
gotta appease the mount collectors doing world content
strange python
Most classes 10.0 sets are stronger than 10.1, sub ain't alone there
Subs issue is playstyle
near valley
BM hunters are oddly enough the class I see somehow played not the best by some peeps
Half the people thst play the class cant
strange python
BM hunter is a zero braincell spec and simultaneously OP as fuck
near valley
Been enjoying coming back to outlaw tbf
strange python
When does Whispyr write a full-length and data-backed post to r/wow to win over the masses? Seems to work for spriests and Moonkins every patch
jade abyss
I stick on professions and make money instead of playing rogue
gusty mirage
When does Whispyr write a full-length and data-backed post to r/wow to win over ...
he tried that
near valley
And is in need of God more than anything else
gusty mirage
and people yelled at him
silk bane
Tbh a *lot* of classes are going to get worse tier set damage additions next pat...
hmm now that i think about it I think how strong sub will be depends mostly on how good anvil is. if anvil is good then sub/outlaw are gonna be good. if not then ist mostly just outlaw taking over
gusty mirage
hmm now that i think about it I think how strong sub will be depends mostly on h...
outlaw's baseline is way behind sub's for it to overtake it
unless their tier set is really as good as people think it'll be
and I think people overhype it
like it's "fine"
gusty mirage
Still surprised on how some of these tier sets were conceived
hey woah woah, don't insult scarizard's words. he's proud of those words
silk bane
outlaw's baseline is way behind sub's for it to overtake it
thats true but outlaw gets more power from the special wepoans in 10.1, can buff them further with ghostly and generally has a better set than sub
strange python
It honestly feels like the only way to get blizzard to change things is to rile up Twitter and reddit in your favor
silk bane
but no outlaws tierst is also tragically bad in terms of poewr
like rihgt now it sdoing 25% of their dmaage but its also doing 600% of the damage it should so...
gusty mirage
who knows guys
near valley
hey woah woah, don't insult scarizard's words. he's proud of those words
Just saying i was shooketh to see some of them 
gusty mirage
maybe we get pleasantly surprised
but if you just assume nothing will happen
you'll either be okay with it
or pleasantly surprised
can't be disappointed if you don't have any expectations
near valley
maybe we get pleasantly surprised
Maybe Sheila will call me back 
gusty mirage
strange python
The problem is that blizzard seems to take balancing cues from community outrage
silk bane
^ dude i actually looked at the other specs i could potentially play if 10.1 is as bad as im afraid it'll be and uh... idk man no other spec seemed remotely as interesting
strange python
I might just sit on the bench for 10.1.
near valley
Well the real question to ask is
silk bane
fuck it i might go back to league in 10.1. never thought id go back but ... times change i guess
near valley
Will 10.1 come in a good time b4 D4?
gusty mirage
either before d4
near valley
If not then I'm not playing s2 much kek
gusty mirage
or after
strange python
5 weeks before
silk bane
im guessing early june
stable atlas
fuck it i might go back to league in 10.1. never thought id go back but ... time...
don't
stable atlas
league matchmaking even worse this season
strange python
10.1 is early may.
gusty mirage
or late june
strange python
It's early may.
silk bane
oh then i think it might be early-midd may then!
gusty mirage
strange python
It is early may.
gusty mirage
should be his latest posts
near valley
It is early may.
Source?
strange python
Can't
strange python
I'll stake a bamboozle banboozle on it
gusty mirage
It is early may.
makes sense want to get the wow hype out of the way so we can all settle in and play d4
lmao
strange python
Again. I'll stake a bamboozle banboozle on it.
gusty mirage
it's not an out there statement
near valley
High stakes
gusty mirage
blizzard said they won't overlap 10.1 w/ d4 release
near valley
Well ofc it isn't
But that also falls in line with my uni exams
So I'm losing either way
near valley
6th
gusty mirage
ya so it'd have to be early may or late june
strange python
First week.
near valley
Need a new rig to play that shit tbf
gusty mirage
and late june puts pressure on the last end of their timeline
strange python
Sry no, second week.
gusty mirage
so early may makes sense
strange python
Also, whispyr's reddit stuff are comments instead of posts. Might be helpful to put it on a post. Even though it may get downvoted
balmy condor
Oxi is cute as fuck
strange python
Maybe not worth the effort but idk
near valley
Oxi is cute as fuck
Based
gusty mirage
Oxi is cute as fuck
near valley
On lies 
strange python
I just don't see blizzard listening to feedback unless it's reddit or Twitter anymore
gusty mirage
neverendingman has been fighting the twitter fight
and I'm not about to start posting on twitter on my personal account
in case some crazy person here finds it
near valley
True
gusty mirage
and kidnaps me to collect my kidneys
strange python
Get JPC to talk to Max about it on stream for his patch rundown
near valley
Just ell me it so I can avoid ur posts
gusty mirage
Just ell me it so I can avoid ur posts
strange python
Just hire me to manage public relations for rogue class I got this
gusty mirage
okay 
time
near valley
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gusty mirage
yall have a good rest of your night/morning/afternoon/evening
wherever you may be in the world
near valley
Behind u
near valley
yall have a good rest of your night/morning/afternoon/evening
Enjoy ur zzz