assassination

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

Yeah and imagine

[gusty mirage]

I also love spiders respawning every time I rezone in

I feel immersed

[grim jay]

They could make it even better and only hand out single fragments instead of gems or multiple fragments

So you need to farm 10 and gamba all day

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

lets do it

[grim jay]

And to upgrade them you need multiple of the same

Like 10 in total

And the last 3 stages are absurd increases

[gusty mirage]

someone get this man a job at blizzard

[royal lantern]

the slots should also be on specific raid items

like chest/shoulder/head/legs

[grim jay]

And all of them need to be in the new super rare category

[harsh lantern]

I see you @alpine latch

[balmy condor]

Is that

Wowprog simdps

[grim jay]

Phew you wrote faster than me

Needed to get back on my feet

[harsh lantern]

IM BORED

[balmy condor]

Bro I was in 6 different DM’s getting into bed with my phone off listening to YouTube

BUT I FELT IT

I FELT THE DISTURBANCE

[harsh lantern]

whispyr felt it

Law in sin chat

[balmy condor]

I got goosebumps

[subtle tundra]

this guy is in 6 different guys dms

he gets bitches

[brazen rampart]

W rizz

[subtle tundra]

hot

[balmy condor]

“Yellow Name Just posted some dumb shit in my channel”

[grim jay]

You should read what I wrote above to get well again before sleeping

[balmy condor]

And then bam

I was there

[harsh lantern]

I just saw a fellow discord user on my server

no need to hate

I played sin in sanctum bro 😎

[balmy condor]

That’s actually a gamer move

[harsh lantern]

hold up lemme prove my bad play

[thorn fjord]

Got that ringing in your ear LOLOL

[balmy condor]

I played sin on nerzul and got 0/12 crits on my frost set

And then swapped back to sub

[harsh lantern]

BASED

quit the game!

[balmy condor]

[harsh lantern]

Fuck u painsmith

[balmy condor]

Aight you one of the good ones mr fog

[harsh lantern]

love u @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Very based takes so far

I’ll let the wowprog slide

[brazen rampart]

sanctum quitters

🍷

[harsh lantern]

I need to feel something

[balmy condor]

I don’t feel anything anymore

[harsh lantern]

expect yellow names

[balmy condor]

I’ve evolved past my own humanity

[harsh lantern]

[balmy condor]

Pain is not a concept I recognize

[thorn fjord]

So you're a cat now?

Is what youre saying

[balmy condor]

It’s only wake up and grind

[harsh lantern]

bis

[royal lantern]

should visit the dentist if you grind in your sleep

[balmy condor]

I only grind in my sleep when your moms in my bed, don’t think a dentist can help with that

[thorn fjord]

Or stop taking drugs

[royal lantern]

or take more drugs

[grim jay]

Could help with getting the teeth straight again after inserting your giant lovewand

[balmy condor]

Nah that’s just a general purpose doctor

Gotta pop the jaw back in after it unhinges itself like a snake

[grim jay]

Guess thats why its a jawdropping experience for some

Finally we are back on regular topics

[gaunt moat]

Quick, post damage meters

[subtle tundra]

its ok cause the raid is full of pad aoe and we do great st

[tawny bloom]

perfectly balanced as all things should be

[north basin]

Whats up with affli? Was out of the loop

[tawny bloom]

bugged

[north basin]

Bugged in which way

[harsh lantern]

It’s already fixed

[thorn fjord]

It got hot fixed didn’t it

[north basin]

Ohh ok

[harsh lantern]

but they are also strong

[thorn fjord]

There’s also mainly in 20 min

[grim jay]

"Die letzten werden die Ersten sein." - noone ever

[thorn fjord]

Maint

[harsh lantern]

Rip twilight combo

[thorn fjord]

Don’t think that’s what it for

I hope not

[harsh lantern]

haha same just got thse bastards

[thorn fjord]

Give me 1 night of prog with its current state

[harsh lantern]

I didn’t get my ring in time for reclear haha went in dry

Seems they reset logs anway

at least mine got reset

[grim jay]

Mine didnt

Its just somewhat worse

[harsh lantern]

ur warlocks just not do dmg or what

off the radar

[grim jay]

Yes

He didnt do much

And the others were absent

[harsh lantern]

my guy was top almost every boss

[grim jay]

He is the "what if i get banned" type tho

[thorn fjord]

We better cruise in to P2 tonight

[harsh lantern]

grey on top

[grim jay]

Might notve used the talents

[harsh lantern]

U got dis 🙏

I haven’t got to pull razzy yet but hoping to kill it with new guild soon @thorn fjord

[thorn fjord]

Gl

[alpine latch]

Who hath summoned me

[oak tangle]

server shutdown, they fixing it

[alpine latch]

And yeah - been trialing a bit. It's a lot of fun but I haven't really found a guild that I feel comfortable being with long term 😦

[gusty mirage]

sort by dps for even more depression

instead of normalized scores

then for fun

check terros

look at frost dk

then check council

[harsh lantern]

brb

[slow tulip]

assa is in a great stop atm no

[gusty mirage]

frost dk unironically the best spec in the game rn

[slow tulip]

i saw they are buffing tier sets for assa next patch

[harsh lantern]

that’s fun

[thorn fjord]

What a time to be alive

[tacit otter]

troll or real?

[gusty mirage]

look it up

it's very much real

[grim jay]

Its really strong

[gusty mirage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#dataset=95&boss=2590

lol

[subtle tundra]

fuck i want to play frost

[grim jay]

And has design issues aswell

[subtle tundra]

but i have to level it

fuck

[tacit otter]

crazy i didnt know

[subtle tundra]

how do i level from 49 fast

[pseudo rain]

I would, but I don't have 2 1h weapons

[gusty mirage]

timewalking

[pseudo rain]

on mine

[grim jay]

2 1h is for st

[subtle tundra]

is tw now?

[harsh lantern]

Isn’t it tw for like 6 weeks

[gusty mirage]

ya we're like consta TWing p sure

until 10.1

[harsh lantern]

yeah

thought so

[gusty mirage]

just tw your way to 60

[harsh lantern]

tw is amazing for leveling imo

Even to 70

Q tank spec

1s q

[gusty mirage]

then buy a weird item for the price of a wowtoken and afk while people grind out the xp for you to 70 in like 2 hours

[harsh lantern]

XD

or that

[gusty mirage]

[pseudo rain]

what's tw?

[tacit otter]

i think it starts next week

[rancid nimbus]

Time walking

[gusty mirage]

oh true

I blame wowhead

for releasing 800 articles about it this past weekend

[winter gale]

How many gates are there in the Vault?

[storm onyx]

28 I think

[winter gale]

And then I need to wait for weekly reset to reopen em?

[gray crest]

Wdym, I gotta know that blizzard changed the position of a grass patch in the new zone 1 yard to the north

It is the most important information

[thorn fjord]

IMMERSION @gray crest CMON

[gusty mirage]

30

and yeah they reset weekly

[celest drift]

simming stones is nothing like the pins. Raidbot is drunk or what?

[trim zinc]

that gems tho

[celest ruin]

set to nightly

[trim zinc]

^

use arcane blood+twilight (or change the twilight to freezing ice)
that is what in the pins

[celest drift]

same results with nightly tho

[oak tangle]

yo got it equipped?

[celest ruin]

can you link me the sim?

[celest drift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jSd2WK3sEAVETqAgNzagJo

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6HUYcehKwZ6YTwSCoDQ6hL

[thorn fjord]

@oak tangle our sims are almost identical

Twinsies?

[oak tangle]

XD

[lean fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nvvqVcXG3RsKRN2DdJtG9K

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nusC9yw4pswmmA6QN6hLNp

[oak tangle]

i could probs eek out some more to match up, i am gemmed and specced for sub atm

[thorn fjord]

Im gemmed for hybrid

I really dont want to dump haste gems in

[winter gale]

How can I reach 3rd floor in the Vault?

[oak tangle]

you're geares af, basically just want a 424 dagger i guess?

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[oak tangle]

you should have some way to do it up in the room from the web

[thorn fjord]

And Erranog ring

[celest ruin]

heres using gear compare https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dXgkBmX486cbUsSeXLpUpT

[oak tangle]

fr twinsies there

[thorn fjord]

Feels bad

[harsh lantern]

I’m close 😉 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wQhRfmnJVEaPrxqUZ9iTFW outlaw takeover (W)

[oak tangle]

there's something suss with your sim

no way does boon tank you 13k

[thorn fjord]

The OL dream is starting to rear its head again @harsh lantern

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gLx26UK1kiEgdnGDhdLaoU

[spice spire]

79

[harsh lantern]

[thorn fjord]

M+ spec tho @spice spire

[tacit otter]

BIS for sin is ~94k rn?

[oak tangle]

you're running m+ talents there

[celest ruin]

thats not mine i just used his profile

and used gear compare instead of advanced for him

[harsh lantern]

Gimme the torch @thorn fjord ur gear is nuts

[thorn fjord]

No erranog ring my gear is w/e

[harsh lantern]

We all just got screwed on pants huh

Another 415 enjoyer

[oak tangle]

sorry i saw the g and thought you were op XD

[storm belfry]

Gm kings and queens

[mint remnant]

yo guys, i'm a newbie rogue/lvl 70 guy starting with pvp. I'm currently farming honor. There are most of the time 2-3 choices between the items (for example 2 different rogue head items). I'm wondering: which should i choose as a assassination rogue?

[oak tangle]

me no clue pvp in here

try pvp channel XD

[spice spire]

We’re mostly pve andys here - your answer lies in #pvp

Sorry to cop out like that!

[mint remnant]

thanks 🙂

[spice spire]

Good luck!

[storm belfry]

For assa I’d assume vers mastery. But the pvp channel is where those chads are w the answers

[storm belfry]

You woke up and chose to be a traitor huh

[storm belfry]

After you get some item I believe on the 2nd floor (from climbing web) you can activate the bubbler on first floor then you can fly in a bubble to the top

[thorn fjord]

Nah nah just ran sims on all specs when i finished the ring lolol

[winter gale]

I cleared entire 2nd floor and there is nothing

[storm belfry]

Did you click the bubbler thing

At the first floor

[tacit otter]

the rooms are random for everyone

[storm belfry]

I didn’t even know I had the item

I just looted literally everything I could that was gold

[harsh lantern]

did anyone finish the mossy mount

[spice spire]

The only bubbler I know is ftbubbler :/

[storm belfry]

Well I mean gold by making my mouse icon gold

[harsh lantern]

I need the damn dust

[tacit otter]

but there should be something that brings you up there

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

That guy has some weird takes man

[tacit otter]

tp / rocket backpack / teleporter etc

[storm belfry]

I will comment no further

[spice spire]

Weird not the word

Amen

[winter gale]

Random teleport thingie

Good

Ty

[storm belfry]

I don’t have a random teleport thingy

Waduhek

[tacit otter]

probably in another room^^

[storm belfry]

I’ve opened all of first and 2nd some of third

[harsh lantern]

box of scrolls

[spice spire]

I’ve only done ten keys so far and uh

[storm belfry]

I just got to third by the bubble thing

[spice spire]

Never lucky is what imma say

[storm belfry]

Get the free 6 keys off your dk

Did you see what I posted last night

[spice spire]

3 of them I need a potion off the other room

[storm belfry]

[harsh lantern]

I opened them all yesterday

[spice spire]

Nah dk wants it

[storm belfry]

SADGE

[spice spire]

Warrior might be a gifter tho

[storm belfry]

Takes 0 time on a lvl 70 toon to get 6 keys

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

I will finish upgrading my ring tonight. I put out public work orders for the upgrade thing then went to bed

[spice spire]

Short raid tonight so I should have time

[storm belfry]

SURELY they are all done when I get off

[spice spire]

Tbh I enjoy the “new” area a bit

[storm belfry]

I haven’t dove around yet

Soon as I looted Eranog ring and boon on Tuesday I just wanna key

[spice spire]

I’ve spent like an hour in it

It’s more in depth than I thought it would be

[storm belfry]

I would’ve had a 106k overall in a 22 NO had I not greeded boon on last boss and died like a pepega

[storm belfry]

This is what I was told

But seeing oxi say he’s farming rares I got worried

[grim jay]

Warrior wants it

[spice spire]

Yeah but warrior is a toon I’m not playing too much this tier

So he might be a gifter

[storm belfry]

I’m still wondering if I upgrade the bugged ones

That are an Inc in ST and Dslice

Or to play it safe and just upgrade ST ones

[grim jay]

Arms got kinda fun. Still a warrior, has that weird taste

[storm belfry]

I’ve always enjoyed all specs of warrior but I never care to play one too much

[grim jay]

Didnt enjoy dk too much on the other hand surprisingly.

[storm belfry]

Oddly enough I like leveling it as prot then I abandon it

But I did play it quite a bit in bfa as fury and arms

[grim jay]

And I'm usually running monk as an alt but the ST is really depressing

[storm belfry]

DK is the one class I don’t like idk

[oak tangle]

i have seen 3 methods of locomotion

bubbles
random scroll
basically a warlock gate

[storm belfry]

How did y’all open the chest that has the all seeing eye circle around it

[oak tangle]

arcane shield

[storm belfry]

Ah okay

I haven’t found that yet

Just fire one

[oak tangle]

yeah looks identical but blue crystal

[spice spire]

Arms very fun.
Just limited time to play, think 10-20 hours a week (seems like a lot, is not) can’t maintain 3 toons - and ive been thoroughly enjoying tanking

[storm belfry]

Ty memz

Should I upgrade twilight instead of one of the ones in the pins? Do we think it’ll be fixed?

I guess it doesn’t matter cause it doesn’t take too much to upgrade. But I’m lazy

[oak tangle]

i'm at 6 stones upgraded already

if you havent found it, buy those bags from the npc near the faction thingo for good rng on keys

can also send keys to/from alts

[thorn fjord]

I got all 3 bis stones in like an hour

[oak tangle]

arcane is the "hardest" to get

[thorn fjord]

And I got a ton of multi procs on the unstable elementium

[grim jay]

Same but I'm in a Limbo between all if them finding the one Alt I wanna invest in

[thorn fjord]

Sent 6 orders got 12 back lol

[spice spire]

Bdk very fun

Finally made the dive three weeks ago

[oak tangle]

i only hit one proc of 3 on mine

[thorn fjord]

When is the frost arc @spice spire

[spice spire]

Been pugging mostly. But a few kind souls have carried him up to 404

Honestly not that far away

Trying to get blood geared first

[thorn fjord]

I’m down to smash this week if our schedules permit

I wanna play around with frost too

[pine gull]

hey guys me and my guild on mythic razsa right now and I'm playing assasination so my question is when I'm using echoing thunder, humming arcane and freezing ice stones they don't dps well enough how am I taking good benefit from this ring ?

[storm belfry]

What’s that one called

[bitter jolt]

In m+, if I have 2 priority mobs, is it a big dps boost to use both exsang+ Dm on the same target vs using exsang on one and Dm on the other?

Or does it not matter much ?

[balmy condor]

You want to exsang dm the same target

Dm duplicates the exsang’d dots

So if you use them on the same target

You get actually just twice the value

[bitter jolt]

Got it. Thanks

Also. If I rupture mid Dm, does it cancel the effect?

[balmy condor]

If you refresh the exsang’d rupture yeah it’ll overwrite

[bitter jolt]

Same with Dm?

ah nvm, just tested it, so it looks like DM still applies if you refresh midway

i was trying to see when its ok to refresh my dots.. and i believe the answer is: 1. dont refresh if exsang is applied 2. ok to refresh with dm applied

[balmy condor]

You should be refreshing if you need to yes

Don’t let your dots drop

Would be a horrible mistake

[storm belfry]

Someone is telling me blood is counting only as healing but I see in pins it’s counting for both. They are wrong I assume right?

[slow tulip]

both

most dps atm looks like twilight + blood + arcane

bugged or not bugged

[storm belfry]

Is it diff for other classes?

I mean I think they are using the exact same set up

Twilight blood + whatever the third is. But this dude is telling me it’s working as intended. Idk I’m just confused.

Then said I was wrong that it’s counting for both healing and damage. That it’s just healign

[bitter jolt]

oh for sure, i was referring to refreshing during pandemic vs refreshing after it pandemic

[balmy condor]

Ah

Yeh just normal rules

Let empowered stuff finish

Otherwise pandemic

[brazen zodiac]

whipsyr up at 11 am

💃

[thorn fjord]

Must have been a good night 🙂

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor can i join assa instead of sub, i dont want this new tier set dmg profile

[thorn fjord]

Welcome brethren @earnest remnant

https://tenor.com/view/come-in-come-on-in-whos-line-is-it-anyway-gif-7550571

[uncut echo]

You dont want this one LMFAO

[earnest remnant]

bruh SoD tier set is dead hospital patient

kind of dmg profile

actually flatter than my gf

it is not it

[uncut echo]

Leave them titties alone

I'll fuck you up for that

[thorn fjord]

lololol

[echo heath]

🤔

[oak tangle]

sin is dead flatchested gf who couldn't make it to hospital

[earnest remnant]

hey we appreciate them in all shapes and sizes, just not when it comes to my sub rogue dmg profile

[uncut echo]

You want that huge tracts of land damage profile?

[echo heath]

I'm an ass guy anyway, why I play sin

[thorn fjord]

Im an equal opportunist

[uncut echo]

Men 🤝 women
Burst 🤝 sustain

[royal lantern]

what did i miss

[thorn fjord]

SIN 🤝 SV

[royal lantern]

did they finally turn sub into outlaw 2.0?

[thorn fjord]

What happened to Sub

Thought they were living the dream

[echo heath]

Sublaw

[earnest remnant]

all im gonna say is

gloomblade is top dmg with lingering

and i dont want it

[gray crest]

Don't tell me the rotten is the move with the tier set

I'm already debating on quitting the game

[royal lantern]

yep, outlaw brains complained until blizz turned sub into outlaw then i gues

[earnest remnant]

5 min log

[thorn fjord]

Did something change from last night? lol

Or were you just messing around in PTR @earnest remnant

[keen mist]

[earnest remnant]

its ptr

[royal lantern]

its about next tier

[earnest remnant]

talent testing with tier set

[thorn fjord]

gotcha

[royal lantern]

and sub is probs gonna play the shitten

[keen mist]

what talents you playing stealthi

[royal lantern]

[keen mist]

i didnt have chance to do ptr yet

[thorn fjord]

I'm already expecting OL to be the play next tier =/

[spice spire]

Mfs want their damage flat as the earth

[gray crest]

Are you doing double dance

[earnest remnant]

no

[gray crest]

Ok

I can handle that

Crisis averted

[earnest remnant]

62apm sub rogue

very nice

[earnest remnant]

i will never understand that

where dopamine hit?

[uncut echo]

That tree is filthy

[earnest remnant]

[gray crest]

But wait you aren't running +2s shadow dance

[earnest remnant]

correct

[royal lantern]

they want to hit buttons 24/7 spamming 1button 20x more often=more fun for them 🙂

[viscid spear]

Come be a Mage

[gray crest]

To both

[earnest remnant]

6-8s dance is unless you WM rng the same amount of finishers

[spice spire]

Really stealthi just wants to hang around for the juicy sin bits

[earnest remnant]

quake

im playing 0 energy talents outside of focus and Tea

[spice spire]

?

[earnest remnant]

and im not energy starving

[thorn fjord]

the dream

[earnest remnant]

i dont want this

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

lol

[earnest remnant]

LOOK AT SYMBOLS MAN

[gray crest]

Is it doing more damage than the current build

[earnest remnant]

no this tier set is worse dmg wise

[royal lantern]

MORE SYMBOLS MORE GOOD

JUST LOOK AT OUTLAW, MORE RTB BUFFS MORE GOOD

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

I like how we memed that whispyr would only be able to write 1 line for the tier set review, yet he wrote a whole novel

[royal lantern]

MORE=MY SMALL BRAIN SENDS MORE HAPPY CHEMICALS

[thorn fjord]

Think @earnest remnant was looking for the #outlaw channel

[earnest remnant]

id rather reroll

[thorn fjord]

Thats an OL mechanic

[gray crest]

Why can't he talk in OT2

[royal lantern]

8.1, the downfall of rogue

[vocal edge]

M Raz question: on intermission 1 blue side what is our best ~8-10s burst? I've been doing rupture> stealth garrote > death mark> shiv > envenom> fok > envenom> grief torch but deathmark doing 80k total feels so bad

[strange python]

It's time. Sin set is heinous too.

[gray crest]

You prolly just save CDs during intermission 1

Cause you can get 2 CDs during shields if you hold

[strange python]

For second add? Just sent griefs. With like 5 griefs it just died

Definitely don't DM or vanish intermission. Nothing lives long enough.

[vocal edge]

I have our only grief 🙃

[strange python]

If you are needing DM or vanish for the second zealot then you should be sub tbh

Assuming you're doing the "kill it before it casts" strat

[vocal edge]

And we wipe like 75% of the time I intermission to second blue ard

[strange python]

Sin doesn't have the burst to bring that thing down.

[gray crest]

Yeah you need torches there lol

[strange python]

I believe it casts at about 8 seconds. You would need 6 seconds to even get your bleeds up and running.

Let alone for them to tick down

[vocal edge]

I'm noticeably worse on sub than sin or I would. All the extra shadow steps would be nice

[strange python]

Time to tell your DH, evoker, and DK to do their job better then

Sin can't really do much to that add other than grieftorch

[vocal edge]

Should I just shiv envenom fok envenom fok envenom then? And not dot

[gray crest]

Sub rotation is fairly scripted. Should be easy to learn

If you stick to sin yeah

[strange python]

How much health does it have left when it's casting most pulls?

[vocal edge]

Like <10%

[strange python]

Yeah ignore bleeds imo. It's likely living less than 10 seconds and you need to get grief off

Grief>shiv>env spam

[vocal edge]

Normally it's me a devoker and dh doing most then fdk and mage (don't remember what spec they're on I think frost)

[gray crest]

Does your mage know how to play arcane?

[strange python]

Fdk is tough cause they can't really build up their breath for it without breaking shield early

[pallid spear]

Do you have evoker staffs on them?

[strange python]

Frost does plenty of burst tbh. Your mage should be higher. What's he sending burst on

[vocal edge]

Our prevoker staffs there yes

[strange python]

Tbh you guys should have more grieftorches from heroic even

Than just 1

[strange python]

Have they not been doing heroic brood?

[vocal edge]

We got 0 mythic but we definitely have heroic ones

[strange python]

Is that for all zealots or specifically zealot 2?

[vocal edge]

That's all pulls only second zealot

[strange python]

If they have heroic grief they should equip it

Even if it's a DPS downgrade

[pallid spear]

Any other instant damage usetrinkets? Like whetstones and/or boon? They're no grief torch of course but if you're at <10% it could help

[strange python]

Zealot 2 dying is like, the only damage check in the fight anymore

[vocal edge]

Dh has 421 stone

[gray crest]

Whetstones aren't as good since it spreads damage

[strange python]

If they're sitting in a heroic torch in bag and not using it they're trolling

[pallid spear]

+1

Tell them to use torch

[strange python]

It was -1500 sim DPS for our warrior to use heroic torch and he did it anyways. Torch is crucial for zealot 2

[pallid spear]

Even heroic is prolly dps increase considering 3+ resets

[gray crest]

We had like 5 torches on that add and one night we lost our dh, we had so much trouble getting past that add and we were well into P2 prog

[thorn fjord]

@gray crest Y'all get those other 3 people CE?

[gray crest]

2

[strange python]

Yeah your DH damage is also really low

[gray crest]

The shaman dropped off the face of the earth

[thorn fjord]

Oh

Nice

[pallid spear]

And get warriors on frost side if you're struggling, they have really good upfront burst even without torch

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qHi9aE3vRhUr7gEu8bJnyT bro this is simming higher than my Sub ST in raz spec lmaoooo

Frost is so broken

[strange python]

Boomie below tank and healer to that add is a little sus

[vocal edge]

We have 1 dps war but they're on red

[strange python]

I know they can get rng screwed but you could probably make up that 10% damage by your boomie and dh doing better

[pallid spear]

We played double warr on frost, we only had 3 grief torches and it worked

[vocal edge]

Boomie was dead a good bit + it was their first night of prog and we're like 200 pulls in

But yea I imagine pooling starsurges is free damage

[strange python]

Yeah losing pulsar lotto can suck

[pallid spear]

Make sure they understand that frost zealot is literally the only dps check you have

[strange python]

But boomie+dh playing better is a big one, and having people put their heroic torches in is another.

[pallid spear]

If they all refuse, you have to play subtlety I guess

[strange python]

Our prevoker did 700k to it and was second after our dh somehow

[thorn fjord]

Those Evoker buffs hurt

Er nerfs

[strange python]

Chillglobe and staff

[vocal edge]

Is grief torch on tank trolling? They're using a 415 whetstone and not using it on that set

[thorn fjord]

Eh not really

[pallid spear]

No it's good

[strange python]

Our tanks used it on raz

I think in general it's not ideal for them but blue side raz is useful

[pallid spear]

Same dmg as if a dps would use it

[vocal edge]

Wasn't sure if it killed their agro

Channeling vs AOE

[pallid spear]

It does a bit depending on class but you can tricks addwave2 if needed

[vocal edge]

That's when I have been but fok and poison bomb aren't alot of AOE threat

[pallid spear]

Our dk did DnD , bloodboil and then channeled it

[strange python]

Tbh as sin you shouldn't even be ahead of the rest of your group on damage to it, they're very behind

[pallid spear]

There shouldn't be ppl AOE spamming anyway

[vocal edge]

I mean 50% of my damage on it is grief torch

[strange python]

If anyone is cooldowning or blowing trinkets at the end of p1 or on the first add pack in p2 they're grinding you

Well yeah, they need to equip their heroic ones

[vocal edge]

I meant the tank for agro since they do the AOE holy power spender

[restive falcon]

Also is it worth running new cheese gem combo even though the twilight one I have is 411 and the other 2 gems are 424 or run my 3 424 gems tonight? I do lose my 431 diurna ring

[uncut echo]

Damn he's a max cheeser

(Nice icon)

[vocal edge]

I just don't have time for inferno

[serene fossil]

The twilight one doesnt scale with level, its just the effect. All the higher level does is a few more stamina

[rapid lance]

guys what is the best stones for assassin ?

single raid

[thorn fjord]

check #tc-research

[strange python]

P sure the damage that the gems do is based on the ilvl of the rings, not the gems.

The gems going up in ilvl makes the ring go up, to do more damage

I'd assume the twilight combo is still better at -4 ring ilvl though

[storm onyx]

If it sims higher, does it matter what you replace?

Also ring procs are determined by the Ring ilvl, not Gems ilvl

[strange python]

Simming new ring is a little complicated if you're not familiar with simming specific item strings

Can't just drop it in top gear and compare the gems

[silk bane]

I just tried this and uh... I would rather play no capstone flag sepsis dust instead. this was the least fun i have ever had playing sub in my entire life. If this goes through im 90% rerolling.

[strange python]

Just run double dance and cancel dance early for more GB uptime 🙂

[silk bane]

this is litearlly a somehow worse version of outlaw.

[sullen hollow]

Are people playing the twillight+blood

and humming arcane

or do we replace that now after nerf

[thorn fjord]

After nerf?

They nerfed it?

[silk bane]

they fixed one of the gems interactions but afaik it doesnt affect the damage at all (for sub - not sure about other specs)

[thorn fjord]

Where are you seeing the patch notes for that

[silk bane]

i think fuu mentioned it one sec

[sullen hollow]

they nerfed humming arcana i believe

[earnest remnant]

they made it work correctly so it only procs from magic dmg

[sullen hollow]

ye

[spice spire]

More buffs

[sullen hollow]

idk what stones to play rn tbf

[spice spire]

These rings are being tuned more than rogue man

[sullen hollow]

Freezing Ice/Humming Arcane/Desirous Blood

or prophetic instead of freezing ice

[thorn fjord]

So that’s the play now?

[viscid spear]

Still terrible for me

[silk bane]

they just hotfixed some more so now they can also crit

[sullen hollow]

X)))

giga

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

wait wait so what am i changing my stones to?

[viscid spear]

most of the players find out the rings are not better than what they have
ignore the Primordial Stone system
Blizzard repeatedly tries to make them worth something

[silk bane]

like I think Fuu had a good explenation of why rogues been ignore the entire expansion.
he said their dev cycles are most likely based on :

• spec popularity
• perceived power/viability of spec
• overall tuning of the spec
  which is why the specs got nerf after nerf after nerf in the beginning but then ignored

because the class has 2 very viable specs in raid and M+ (althought i genuinly believe rogue sucks on farm. all 3 specs are awful on anything other than raz, eggnog, and council)

and overall tuning is not absurdly off (sin needs redesign not tuning at this point)

so theyre ignoring the spec

s

[fiery mauve]

sin boss damage is pretty cool though

[gaunt moat]

yeah.. not really

it's okay.

[signal badger]

Outlaw is beating it on terros now with ring at 95% percentile

[thorn fjord]

Still running twilight arcane and blood?

[strange python]

I don't think one day of logging with a ring that is a 10% upgrade for outlaw and 7% for sin is making outlaw suddenly go from doing 15% less ST than sin to more

Likely just the fact that no one is playing sin atm

[ember mural]

[gaunt moat]

i was just about to write:
sin the the 4th least played spec in the game right now

[strange python]

Also 95% and above logs get into some degenerate shit with grieftorch deaths

So unless the top sin logs (which are likely not the speed killing guilds) are getting the same degenerate strats, it's tough to compare

[gaunt moat]

in mythic raiding

[strange python]

I think sin is drastically undertuned and needs buffs and an AoE rework. But it's not the "wtf are you playing??" spec that some think it is

[formal ore]

i hope so cause i cant get tempest

[strange python]

And yes. Twilight still works because of bleeds and poisons b

[formal ore]

bought like 6 nature things no tempest

[strange python]

Twilight/humming

I just tested on a dummy. It's doing the exact same today as yesterday as sin

[gaunt moat]

And the numbers of sin players are getting lower and lower each week, especially when stuff like outlaw getting more than the ring happens.

[formal ore]

i think only class that matches that is survival hunter

[strange python]

The real reason to doom about sin is the fact that blizzard is basically just ignoring us and won't even respond to feedback

[silk bane]

if these tiersets actually go through im playing survival no joke

[gaunt moat]

survival has about 1/3 the number of sin players.
but i doesn't have to do with tuning only.
i just don't think it's popular to play a melee hunter.

[silk bane]

they got a dope ish tierset, good rework for their tree, fun items they can use

[violet jackal]

flame lick stone about to better than flaring cowl, rejoice 421 head owners

[silk bane]

all 3 rogue tiersets are some of the worst things ive ever seen

[fiery mauve]

oh wow

thats crazy

have u seen dk and enh

[formal ore]

they are a melee class that cant survive shit

[silk bane]

the new enhance one is still better than sub one

after the change its litearlly better

[fiery mauve]

yeah it had to get changed lmao

[gaunt moat]

@formal ore hunters just got a big HP buff

[fiery mauve]

because it was absolutely dumpster

[silk bane]

subs equally awful

now its worse actually

did u see the bulds that are performing better on ptr?

u litearlly drop dance extension talents for more gb spam

the damgae profile is flatter than my ex

[fiery mauve]

gloom blade believers

[silk bane]

its got outlaw levels of APM

just spamming gb

u are drowning in energy while not taking half the energy talents

youre getting more energy from symbols than tea

[formal ore]

hope its enought

enough

[strange python]

It would be honestly hilarious if you start running double dance and cancel dance after sectech for more lingering uptime

[gaunt moat]

enough? our hunters got more than 400k HP.
that's more than plate wearing characters.

[sullen hollow]

i belieb

next season

[fiery mauve]

rotten gloomblade builds

[sullen hollow]

assa

bis

[fiery mauve]

inc

[silk bane]

doubt it, if we ever go double dance its because of flag most likely.

[thorn fjord]

Thank God... So i'll assume sub should be the same deal

[strange python]

Yes

And outlaw

[thorn fjord]

Let me have atleast one night of prog with the goodness

[strange python]

Poisons alone proc it enough for the rppm

It seems likely they want to buff other gems more than nerf these but who knows

Blizzard does weird shit. Like ignoring sin.

[thorn fjord]

We'll see.. im sure we'll get updates over the weekend

[strange python]

Updates? They'll just dump the changes on Tuesday with no warning and everyone who farmed will be told "too bad*

[silk bane]

man idk where to put this frustration but honestly im so disappointed with these tiersets. sorry if i come off negative. like outlaw one was the only one that had the slightest potential of being cool and it doesnt have any of the fun interactions we were hoping for. theyre all so awful and boring and in some cases litearlly make your playing experience worse

[gaunt moat]

you're not alone

[sullen hollow]

i think the 4p for assa doesnt sound to bad does it

its very passive

but

[thorn fjord]

Oh boy you're barking up the wrong tree

LOL

[gleaming geyser]

[gaunt moat]

inb4 with use exsang to shorten DM in AoE situations to get a 40% nature damage buff.

[silk bane]

like think about it though, at best its litearlly the same thing as a flat 3-4% aura buff. thats the best case scenario for your tierset. at worst, it promotes the most degen playstyle ever, exsang your dM so u can get 40% nature buff while still having pot off. go in aoe packs and snipe mobs that are dying with deathmark to get the 40% benefit. maybe hold shiv in DM to use it for after it, so many awful itneractions. might force giga cursed sepsis plays.

[sweet dawn]

Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (please end me)

[strange python]

Outlaw is just the rogue hero spec. Like fire had been for mages for years until df

Seems clear to me

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

Blizz has a hard on for OL

[silk bane]

even theirs is awful though. it doenst have any interesting interactions. its litearlly oh 5% aura buff i guess idfk

[thorn fjord]

Its not that bad imo

[strange python]

I mean. A boring passive damage buff is so much better than an unintuitive and bad passive damage buff that could possibly be an actively unfun rotation shift

[gaunt moat]

Then why did they make it so awful to play

[silk bane]

doesnt include trinkes, item procs in the damage. the funnel itneraction doesnt work. it does nothing

the bte damge isnt included in the dot. so gsw is useless on it. its just do what u do now but u do a little more damage. thats it

[strange python]

I'd rather have the outlaw set than either sin or sub

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/trade-offer-gif-22327121

[uncut echo]

Idk outlaw is fine to play imo

You're entering subjective territory

[viscid spear]

I stop playing Rogue and play Mage while also continuing being a Patreon of RH

[uncut echo]

I'm quitting rogue soon too

Prolly an spriest tier in 10.1

Never can have too many PIs

[raven hawk]

Then why has is gotten nerfed in every DF patch so far

[oak sky]

Its been boomie for like 3 years

[storm belfry]

Wow I just got here

[jade abyss]

We will come back stronger next expansion, with new playstyle and more

[oak sky]

Maybe 13.0

[woeful pumice]

did i pick the wrong time to subscribe and want to play rogue??

[spice spire]

No

Don’t listen to the doomers, enjoy yourself

[brazen zodiac]

rogue is fun

[jade abyss]

Rogue is a good class

Its a lifestyle

[gaunt moat]

nope. every class and every spec are viable.
our complaints is mostly about class balance at the top level of play.

[formal ore]

nah its fun

[brazen zodiac]

stabbystabby

[empty dawn]

Rogue fun, good utility, effectively immortal. Just (very) weird design choices

[formal ore]

did blizz confirm anything regarding blood+twilight interaction ?

cause i only got enough to up 3 gems to 424

[storm belfry]

Apparently some big buffs coming

To the ring

[formal ore]

but bis is still blood twilight huming ?

[hallow token]

Lot of people announcing their departure in here. Maybe this actually is an airport, after all.

[storm belfry]

I think so but idk if that’s intended. According to pin

But I just saw someone say big buffs are coming to the ring

So will likely all be simmed again

[formal ore]

well i dont have storm infused anyway so i'll go with these 3 for now

hope i can farm storm till then

thanks

[storm belfry]

Twilight is the only one I don’t have

[static glacier]

fire dot one just got buffed so it can crit

might have changed things

[storm belfry]

Yeah there is more buffs

[formal ore]

i spent so much trying to get storm

[static glacier]

I wouldn't commit to any til the day of your raid

[formal ore]

raid ?

bro fuck raid

i wanna go m+

[storm belfry]

I don’t raid til next tier. But I’m not committing anything til the new post is up now and stuff is simmed

[formal ore]

hmm i guess i'll wait

[storm belfry]

I’m sorry but that was the 2nd one I got lmao

I got all the good ones besides twilight my first 6 keys

[formal ore]

the 411 is alredy an up for me

[storm belfry]

They won’t tell me which ones are getting buffed

[static glacier]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-primordial-stone-buffs-in-hotfixes-periodic-effects-can-now-crit-332084

[storm belfry]

No there is more

[restive falcon]

They fixed the op combo?

[graceful swallow]

because it lasted for more than 4 hours

[gaunt moat]

no

[granite widget]

outlaw fire mage boomy are all in the uhh same category

they are either giga or very mid

would argue ww too

[static glacier]

can't you say this about any spec?

[storm belfry]

Deleting cause idk if that person will get in trouble or flak for me leaking

[granite widget]

yes probably, i just know a lot of people talk about fire / outlaw / boomy being OP in recent memory

[storm belfry]

Fire pretty mid outside of PI imo atm

[granite widget]

yeah i mean fire is prob in its mid cycle

kinda just alternates from mid and op

i just mean those are specs people think of

when they think about blizzard spoonfeeding them

[static glacier]

people viewing things as mid / giga speaks more on our view as gamers regarding balance more than it does for the reality of specs

we overexaggerate strength and weakness, we don't acknowledge how close specs are actually balanced

[granite widget]

people generally just look at

warcraftlogs mythic 75%

[static glacier]

we buy into logs and bias

[granite widget]

that class balance thing

i cant blame them, it's a good snapshot

[nimble tartan]

mid

[static glacier]

it's almost like a 5% buff to a spec making it the best dps spec of its class results in a bigger than 5% increase in log performance for the spec

due to better players going over to it

[granite widget]

people will argue "Ethical" and "prio" damage

[static glacier]

logs are a metric, but it shouldn't be the only one used and should be taken with multiple grains of salt

[granite widget]

etc

[nimble tartan]

logs W

[winter gale]

Can we obtain more of those rings?

Like duplicate for other spec/build so I dont need to change sockets

[raven hawk]

You can buy another ring with the currency from destroying gems

[winter gale]

Excellent

One more, is there a definite answer which gems I need for ST?

[winged veldt]

Yea i@ holding off on any of them til raid lol

[noble pine]

hey guys do u know how i can upgrade my 424 ring to 443 i've seen ppl have 443 rings but i cant upgrade mine past 424

[dusty trellis]

443 О_О

[granite widget]

443 is just a armory bug

[noble pine]

oh

that explains it then

[granite widget]

pretty sure mine says 443 in armory

when i knwo for a fact its not in game

[winter gale]

@noble pine is your ring with gems for assa single target?

[noble pine]

i guess so ? xD

[winter gale]

Which gems you used?

[noble pine]

Twilight stone - blood stone - arcane stone

[thorn fjord]

As of now still sitting on twilight humming and blood till we get an update

[winter gale]

Ok

I lack twilight one

[storm onyx]

pins

[winter gale]

I have the other two

[storm onyx]

Twilight is not hard to get by buying, there are only 2 gems in that family

50% chance

[bleak sun]

Mates when will we rise in m+ ?

[winter gale]

👍👍👍

[winter gale]

Could you tell me where do I buy em? I was thinking some of those npc next to the Zskera but there aren’t any vendors

[storm onyx]

Have you done the quest line?

[thorn fjord]

Next to the anvil

Roll Shadow

[storm belfry]

I rise whenever I enter a key

[thorn fjord]

@storm belfry I rise whenever you build me up

[storm belfry]

You need to acquire the two items from some quest. Aka the jewel kit and something else before you can upgrade and buy stuff

[storm belfry]

[vocal oracle]

where do you buy other gems?

[thorn fjord]

You can gamble for stones from the npc next to the anvil

Takes 10 fragments

[vocal oracle]

ahh, k..ty

[grim jay]

75 so bad

[thorn fjord]

Sucks because i smashed the fire one last night

😦

[pallid bough]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winter gale]

prophetic twilight stone is the gem name?

[sweet dawn]

That's the one that triggers healing and damage stones

[winter gale]

One that we use, y

[sweet dawn]

These are the ones you want, until the bug gets fixed, or not

[gusty mirage]

desirous just got nerfed

[storm belfry]

@balmy condor @vestal wren confirm?

[frosty kite]

This would gain value now it crits but probably too minor?

[gusty mirage]

won't know until the new raidbots build

[storm belfry]

Yeah the proc did

Didn’t it?

[sweet dawn]

And the poison one

[gusty mirage]

ya

[storm belfry]

Oxi can you confirm my post

Think those might be the buffs

?

[gusty mirage]

can I confirm it? no

[storm belfry]

Smoge

[gusty mirage]

I don't follow datamining stuff

but I do know the hunter discord is all over it

so it's presumably true

[storm belfry]

Yeah Druid is atm too

[grim jay]

new wowhead post

has you covered

even with rppm

[storm belfry]

Oh yeah

They just posted it

https://www.wowhead.com/news/even-more-primordial-stone-buffs-in-hotfix-buffs-to-many-more-stones-332087

This is what I was waiting for

[grim jay]

doesnt look like it will change much, but lets wait and see

[storm belfry]

Yeah gonna wait for sure

[sweet dawn]

I'm about to go into raid with my blood and twilight cry

[storm belfry]

It’s okay

[grim jay]

it doesnt look like it will be noticeable that much

tbf

[sweet dawn]

Hope so

[grim jay]

but thats feelcraft

[storm belfry]

I haven’t upgraded a thing

[sweet dawn]

if not I'll just upgrade the stones in the raid break

[storm belfry]

[sweet dawn]

I have enough

[grim jay]

just wait till tomorrow

[sweet dawn]

True

[grim jay]

I doubt the RPPM going to 2.25 instead of 2.5 while the stone itself got buffed by 18.5% and the other ST gems being buffed by 12% is anything major

[storm belfry]

We wait

[sweet dawn]

Fuck it, we wait

[silk bane]

it makes humming proc less, so its a direct nerf to hummin's damage while keeping the blood's damage relatively the same

I think its a bigger nerf than you think but its not awful

[thorn fjord]

Nerfs? we're used to it already nbd

[wind condor]

I can’t keep up with these buffs lol

[silk bane]

i mean you never know, if the new flame ring actually procs eggnog ring off the dot and not just the initial hit, then we might be able to replace cowl with another embellishment if the uptime is high enough (doubt it tbh)

so u never know

could be good

[wind condor]

Ima just farm keys, and full clear vault Tuesday and level whichever gems come out on top

Shits changing hourly at this point

[pseudo hamlet]

damn, wasted like ~1,5h and 1k gold for the bis stones!

[grim jay]

you dont even know yet, aside from your sarcasm

[vestal wren]

they changed a lot of stones, not sure if thats accurate tho

[pseudo hamlet]

lol what do you mean? I upgraded Blood/Twilight/Arcane stones to the max

[storm onyx]

We dont know the end difference, if its 200 dps, it wont matter tbh, for example

[storm belfry]

Sorry to @ you like that

But also after I @ you a post was made so my bad

[vestal wren]

all fine

there is another round of buffs, so we saw 2 hotfixes now

just needs some time to update everything

[storm belfry]

Wait so another round on top of the post just made?

Cause there were two posts. One just made and one an hr or so ago

[restive spire]

anyone know why /simc isnt working on just one of my characters?
Its turned on and has the same combination of addons that my other characters do who it works on

it wont even let me press enter when i have /simc typed out

[frozen jasper]

Should i just Wait 3 days for upgrading Stones because at this Rate the the bis stones could change a few times Right?

[storm belfry]

Probs

I mean they don’t take a lot to upgrade

But like if you don’t want to farm whatever again to upgrade again. I’d wait

[frozen jasper]

Fair

[fallow canopy]

Did logs from tuesday get erased from wlogs?

[tacit otter]

ye

[fallow canopy]

ah aight I'm not crazy, ty

[karmic cedar]

RIP, Humming got a 20s ICD slapped on it

[storm belfry]

Another post of buffs

Posted 5 mins ago

[limber lion]

Good

[tardy lance]

Have they hotfixed the blood & twilight yet?

[storm belfry]

I have ppl arguing w me that it is intended they work that way so

[karmic cedar]

Well, the 20s ICD kills that I assume

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, if we only could test these rings in the game before they were add in the game

[strange python]

Blood & twilight wasn't even that good in my testing tbh.

Wouldn't be shocked if we go the set in sin pins and maybe swap humming for fire dot

Regardless, kind of obnoxious to have this tuning happen on live when they should've tested on ptr

[thorn fjord]

Smoll Indy company

[storm onyx]

It was good tbh, this is todays spider progression fight

[strange python]

I mean 3.8% is good, but that's not insane. Since you need two gems for it to do that much

I'd bet pre-buff frost and fire sets would be close to that already

[storm belfry]

Or if instead they used their new manpower to make some meaningful content to do/farm whatever beofre 10.1

Instead of this garbage

[strange python]

I like this as a .7 patch tbh.

[thorn fjord]

Every day till 10.1 we’ll have to check which stones get buffed

[storm belfry]

I would if instead of this ring of “power” to use until 10.1. They actually dove into the cavern thing and added rewards. Like a much better solo version than torghast. W all the puzzles and stuff

Imo the ring and gems is a waste of time and a shitty copy of a recycled system. I am not one to complain ever really about the game but if this is what they mean by adding small content in between major patches this is just sad

[sweet dawn]

ICD isn't in place yet I don't think

[thorn fjord]

If you’re gonna be a sinner better learn how to complain @storm belfry

[storm belfry]

Brother I usually do not complain

I didn’t complain about conduits or none of that

I will sound like a broken record but see my previous post

[strange python]

It seems to be in effect

[gaunt moat]

I think the ring is cool. gives us something to talk about and experiment.

not sure why this is an issue for you.

[strange python]

Ring is cool. Gems are neat. Post-release hotfixes for very basic tuning is incredibly cringe.

[runic hinge]

There’s a whole new island with quests and rares and stuff to do but we gotta complain about min maxing a ring that’s gone in 2 months

[sweet dawn]

Only reason I don't think it is is I got 75 procs in a 6 min terros fight

[strange python]

Hmm

Others reporting lower proc already

When was terros

[gaunt moat]

that, yes.
blizzard methodology is:

• don't touch gems for 2 months on PTR.
• change everything 1 day after release.

[sweet dawn]

Which should only be 18 if the ICD is in place

[strange python]

2 days for NA. G

[gaunt moat]

but it's still not really an issue imo

[strange python]

Even if it's easy enough to farm these things, it's incredibly cringe to nerf them after people have invested time, because you didn't test properly.

[gaunt moat]

you just see what @vestal wren says is best. upgrade that. slot in ring. done.

[grim jay]

twilight still procs it whenever

[strange python]

Twilight proc was for desirous I think, no?

Nvm I'm wrong. Would expect that to be fixed

[grim jay]

its an interaction

so it would get nerfed if anything

[marble hemlock]

it hits 3 times so thats 25 procs

[sweet dawn]

Ohhhhhhhhh

Didn't know it hit 3 times

[marble hemlock]

it shoots one missile for each type of gem

so its usually 3times whatever your freezing ice/desirous blood proc

[pseudo hamlet]

damn, that would cost us raid tier!

[velvet ridge]

Man, I opened all my vaults and dusted all my stones. Now I gotta wait a week to get new ones

Hopefully by then they are stagnant

[strange python]

I wonder if casuals will complain or not. If casuals complain they will refund primordial. If they don't it'll get ignored

[royal lantern]

when do casuals NOT complain

[strange python]

Often

Casuals supported very rare items, personal loot, edge of night, the cringe new cloak, etc

Convenent locking.

[storm onyx]

Combintion of gems for ST assa has not changed apparently

[strange python]

You are very likely going to see further optimizations to sims and combinations before Tuesday

I'd hold off spending any primordial unless you're progging raz tonight.

[royal lantern]

casuals 100% did not support edge of night

cus that was something for rogue

[strange python]

Casuals supported edge of night being impossible to get, I mean

[storm onyx]

yea, not touching anything atm

[royal lantern]

and nobody plays rogue, they are all warrior/hunter/mage/paladins/druids

[strange python]

They were mad it existed and they didn't give a shit it was impossible to loot

It's wild to see the same people who said "good fuck rogues" when they saw complaints about edge being required and too rare, now bitching about raz bow being too hard to get

[gaunt moat]

humming ICD was not yet implemented in build. so yet to be determined.

[strange python]

We also dont know if blizz will nerf/fix the twilight implication

[storm onyx]

ah kk

[strange python]

I think it's a little silly that blizzard doesn't just tweet our "hey, were going to tune the gems this week, don't commit too many hours to this just yet" on Tuesday.

Instead of just dumping hotfixes two days in

[royal lantern]

i mean, not upgrading them on day1 cus changes are 100% comming was a bit obvious......?

[gaunt moat]

they won't. it's not broken.

[royal lantern]

they litearlly told us "we want it to be bis until next patch and then nerf it if it is still good"

[strange python]

To those of us who have been around the block, sure. But you shouldn't have to expect blizzard to have bad comms

[gaunt moat]

and considering what they did were mostly buffs, they don't really need to announce that
you don't like.. lose anything

[royal lantern]

^

its all buffs

[strange python]

Idk, I think blizzard could lean a lot from riot here. When they're going to be doing changes to something they make it clear in advance instead of just surprising people.

Which is always weird because scarizard was a big advocate of that at riot and now he's at blizz

[faint sinew]

it's all buffs not including the nerfs

[gaunt moat]

I will always advocate for better communication.
but in this situation, i don't think it's a big issue and i don't know how and what led to buffing it. it might have been a last moment decision for all we know.

[royal lantern]

buff stuff because it sells skins?

[strange python]

That's a completely different thing

Riot is terrible at many things. But they're very very good at not surprising people with changes to the game. Blizzard is very very bad at that

[royal lantern]

if riot would balance wow

paladin and hunter would always be #1 cus "they are just more popular"

[strange python]

Bud I'm not talking about balance

Im talking about communication

[gaunt moat]

but.. that's kinda already the case right now

[royal lantern]

and rogue would be the wow version of "monster champs" in league, aka "we dont balance them because they are not popular(because we never balance them and they are dogshit all the time)"

[gaunt moat]

that's also the case right now

[royal lantern]

ye, but then it would be 24/7

[gaunt moat]

THAT'S ALSO THE CASE RIGHT NOW

XD

[royal lantern]

like, riot always buffs lee sin when worlds are comming

[violet talon]

Why is Storm gem recommended over Plague for dungeons? Plague hits more than 3 targets, benefits from Lethal Dose and Shiv, and adds 2% dmg to the rest of our kit via Lethal Dose.

[royal lantern]

always

[strange python]

Don't read too much into sims right now tbh.

[royal lantern]

would be like, if blizz would give ret paladin always a 9%dmg buff on everything when a new raid releases, every tier

[gaunt moat]

sims simulate constant movement.

[strange python]

It's possible the current sims are correct, but it's also entirely possible that the sims wind up changing wildly over the next few days.

[violet talon]

I'm not even simming anything, but looking at the options and doing my own tests. But the pins recommend Storm

[tacit otter]

does plague really interact with our kit like lethal dose? wouldnt that be the first time this is the case?

[strange python]

Well pins are nased on sims lol

[violet talon]

I did tests on the target dummies and Plague is hitting 14% higher damage than the gem lists on average (which it should from 4 poisons/garrote/rupture/plague itself)

[gaunt moat]

ah i see

[tacit otter]

i'd like to see some actual proof of that. but if thats the case that would be good ig

[gaunt moat]

don't take dungeons slice as gospel for gems

[balmy condor]

I’m like 300% sure that it doesn’t benefit from lethal dose, or shiv

Shiv is based off whitelists

[violet talon]

Snapshot from a ~2min test on dummies. My 424 Plague gem says it does 16,399 damage over 9 sec (which comes to 1,822 per tick). The shown average normal hit of 2,062 is around 14% higher

[tacit otter]

all i know, never did anything outside of the kit itself benefit from it. so it would be great but unlikely i assume

[strange python]

Maybe vers?

[violet talon]

Maybe? I dump vers so doubt it tbh

[balmy condor]

Vers applies to everything

Including the gems

[violet talon]

It does, but I only have less than 6% dmg boost from Vers so the math doesnt make sense