assassination

[gaunt moat]

True, they're best at that.
but this time they actually already made some set adjustments.. so who knows.

[oak tangle]

fire's 4 pc got reworked already

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[oak sky]

multiple 4ps got reworked

[balmy condor]

Back on the hopium

[gaunt moat]

I know the hopium is gonna be the end of me

[oak sky]

monk finally doesnt have a 3 hit proc

[thin gate]

i wait for the day, where we can skill poison bomb and CT

with CT having a chance to proc PB

[oak tangle]

monk still sussy requiring auto attacks

[balmy condor]

Idk if that the solution we want

If CT wasn’t in single target before that might as well say you should do it

[dark token]

wowhead is a good audience for it

wow devs actually read it

unlike forums

or discord

[balmy condor]

They read those too

[storm belfry]

Just did p well in a 22 NO

[oak tangle]

inb4 wow dev doesn't read the post because it's too long

[dark token]

so many times if a things makes it to wowhead

[storm belfry]

but i was cringe and died on last boss cause i was greedy and booned adds

[dark token]

insta nerfed 5 mins later

[gaunt moat]

yes.
it was very apparent when a week after they wrote an article about how buffing BM by 5% more with the bow nerf
they actually tuned down the buff.

[oak sky]

thats usually bugs or unintended shit though

[balmy condor]

Okay mr Soviet, you’re correct as always

[oak sky]

like actual feedback

[balmy condor]

Very cool

[oak sky]

i would imagine they at least get a general sense of the community feel from discord

they arent reading every single message because that would take an actual degen

[dark token]

like im doing hyperbole. sure they read discord or forums

but its much much much more likely to see a change after a wowhead post

instead of a forum or discord post

[oak tangle]

wowhead is curated so i would imagine it can be 'trusted' more than some random comments in a class discord though

[dark token]

i dont think you can deny that @balmy condor

[gaunt moat]

exactly

[balmy condor]

My mom told me if I don’t have anything nice to say to someone, I shouldn’t say it

[dark token]

i mean just cause you disagree with me you dont have to say a mean thing lol

can just state your point of view of why im wrong etc

i wont get offended, promise

[oak sky]

wowhead is obviously more immediate dude

its a headline

discord and forums are more long term

[balmy condor]

I simply do not have the time to argue with you about pointless shit

[storm belfry]

I appreciate you

[oak sky]

but like youre acting like they ignore

everything that isnt wowhead

when really wowhead is just making them aware of stuff that NEEDS to be eliminated ASAP

like do you really think tier set feedback and that kind of shit has much more impact than discord/forums

they probably get the same answers from all 3

it just condenses what the community thinks

[oak tangle]

if they read this discord theyd waste so much of their day with scrolling past infighting and mutiny

[oak sky]

yeah i wonder why realz doesnt post here anymore

really hard to figure out

[dark token]

if they read this discord they would change sin in -1 days

[oak sky]

thats

not how dev works is it

how many different priest posts and community people have begged for healer interrupt

and door of shadows

[dark token]

no but i find doomering constantly gets more results

see: boomkins

[oak sky]

weird because

everyone has been dooming for over a month

not just here

[dark token]

also its more fun to doomer than give good feedback into the void

[oak tangle]

also all of their MDI casters are boomkins

[gusty mirage]

see how well it's working for boomkins?

[oak sky]

[dark token]

purple class good

[oak sky]

idunno man

like

[oak sky]

we know our dev reads this discord

[gusty mirage]

WEIRD

[oak sky]

or at least

the guy who has done dev work for us

him not doing anything is clearly not related to whether he reads our shit or not

like

[gusty mirage]

I know what you're thinking, aoe/cleave heavy tier

maybe its cause boomkin ST is good

WOW

[oak tangle]

i do think that not having a particularly popular and vocal rogue (assss specifically) content creator / streamer does hinder us getting reworks etc

[gusty mirage]

THEIR DOOMING IS WORKING GUYS

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

so maybe you guys can ramp it up a bit

[oak sky]

couldnt disagree more

[gusty mirage]

so we can be as dogshit as boomkin

[viscid spear]

Joke's on you, I play a Mage and we always doom and gloom

[oak tangle]

inwhich regard

[dark token]

working better than sin

[oak sky]

having a content creator definitely does not do anything

[gusty mirage]

not really

unless your eyes don't let you read statistics

they're literally mediocre in aoe/cleave

[oak sky]

like how many changes have warriors gotten lately they have the biggest content creator out there

[gusty mirage]

and dogshit in ST

weird

[oak sky]

even though he doesnt do any hard content

hes still incredibly vocal

[dark token]

ok yeah boomkins are pretty dogshit ye

[gusty mirage]

but its okay guys

[dark token]

but i think sin is in a worse spot

[gusty mirage]

believe

[storm belfry]

call me bad

[gusty mirage]

skill issue

[oak tangle]

idk, i saw a priest make a video about 10.1 and in the next patch cycle most of his suggestions from that video were what they did

[dark token]

boomkins can at least be non dogshit in 1 form of content

(dungeons)

[gusty mirage]

maybe you should wake up to 35% buffs next time

[storm belfry]

I thrive off negativity

i will do better

[shut owl]

I watch whispyr and seli all the time though and nothing changes

[oak sky]

one priest making the video couldnt possibly have more impact than general sentiment in discord/wowhead posts/forum posts

[balmy condor]

It’s true, I saw the video, it was made by the voice of god himself

I couldn’t even see the video

It was too glorious for mortal eyes

[oak sky]

he must be nzoth

the true void priest

hes actually been controlling blizzard the whole time

[balmy condor]

Imagine a random content creators having more power over spec design than the actual designers working on the spec

Wow the new open source game by blizzard entertainment

[oak sky]

like idk i think most of the things that changed for priest were pretty popular

maybe not all of them

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-omg-shock-oops-cat-gif-11461039

[oak sky]

but definitely like shadow crash cd

[oak tangle]

that's not what im saying. rather that having popular content creators out there spreading word of what htey want would definitely help

[oak sky]

and probably combining mind flay and mind spike

[storm belfry]

dumb question

[balmy condor]

It wouldn’t

[storm belfry]

can you upgrade the stones if they are in the ring

[oak sky]

i think it does the same job as wowhead articles, it just condenses feedback

maybe this guy puts his own spin on it

[balmy condor]

Our feedback is heard constantly

[oak sky]

i hope they hear me asking to remove rogue

it might happen someday

[fleet pagoda]

is anybody running something outside of Echoing Thunder for the new ring? assuming that crazy interaction gets fixed and it's not bis... but trying to have 100% uptime on movement feels really weird trying to play around it

[balmy condor]

Having an angry streamer yelling about it might actually hurt more

[oak tangle]

it's harder to ignore it when our feedback goes beyond rogues and other classes begin to understand

[balmy condor]

It’s not recommended, check pins

[balmy condor]

What

[unreal bear]

are theorycrafters even approached by blizz

[oak tangle]

a hot take if you will, but bliz will(should) make changes that have the largest impact on the game for the better. and if other class mains see the problen of rogues and understand that. would it not make blizard faster to act?

because at the moment almost unanimously, anyone that isn't a rogue doesn't think we're in a bad way

[unreal bear]

i feel like this one of the more put-together discords out there for classes

[balmy condor]

Sometimes

[unreal bear]

and the complaints are pretty well understood by the people who "lead" the class

[oak sky]

other classes think rogue is op because of the start of the tier

[balmy condor]

We were approached for the sepulcher tier set

And the beta talents

[sweet dawn]

How many elementium is it to fully upgrade the stones?

[unreal bear]

6 for just the ones you put in your rings

2 each

[balmy condor]

20 of the ring dust each stone you want to max, you get 6 by smashing stones

[sweet dawn]

Dope ty

[unreal bear]

i thought it was 10x stones 25x silken gemdust

[balmy condor]

Yes

It is

[storm belfry]

I mean you just need 6 of those upgrade things right

2 for each stone

[balmy condor]

10 stones, 2 for each stone

Is 20

[unreal bear]

the Unstable Elementium yeah

[balmy condor]

Oh

[storm belfry]

I was only gonna upgrade the dungeon ones in the pin

[balmy condor]

Elementium

[storm belfry]

Not them all

Yeah sorry for confusion. I was talking the item itself

To upgrade

[unreal bear]

i thought the current twilight thing made it bis for everything

[storm belfry]

I was gonna take whispyrs word and not mess w that cause it’s likely not working as intended

Idk

[unreal bear]

safer bet

[storm belfry]

I guess. I could upgrade that one too

[unreal bear]

i dont think you even need to upgrade it except for stam

[static glacier]

Tbh with you as a class it’s not like rogue is stopping you killing anything or pushing, we just don’t compete with the very top end of damage vs buffed specs. Hotter take: we’re all biased about our own specs, moonkin players especially

[oak tangle]

we dont care about the damage numbers that much

more so the hot garbage that is the palystyle, specifically in aoe

[unreal bear]

pure dps classes get it ruff sometimes

sometimes the only option is to reroll

or spec sub

(or just deal with it if you're not doing super high end content because it's not that big of a deal for midcore)

[storm belfry]

Disc priests too

[static glacier]

It’s like the difference between sub / OL and sin in keys is noticeable, but I wouldn’t think that sin in the grand scheme of things is utterly useless, just weaker. Think like 100 vs 75-80 performance

[storm belfry]

Vile

[gusty mirage]

no

that would just make sense

[oak tangle]

and your comment reinforces the issue, people see big numbers and think all is fine. but the spec fundamentally is wrong

[gusty mirage]

this is blizzard we're talking about

[storm belfry]

I’m so glad I asked lmfao

[gusty mirage]

you have to feel the weight of every click

9.1 vibes

remove gem

[static glacier]

Our tuning in aoe is on the lower end for sure, this is no secret

[gusty mirage]

upgrade

put back in

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage did some intense ring grinding today after raid

[unreal bear]

sub isnt that far off from our ST while being strong everywhere else, which is my main complaint

[gusty mirage]

yeah man

insane grind

walked in

[ebon notch]

i was on 2 accounts

[gusty mirage]

solved the rune ward chest

[ebon notch]

going in a circle through this massive cavern

[gusty mirage]

scrapped the gem

gamba'd and upgraded

[ebon notch]

killing mobs for an hour

[gusty mirage]

15 minutes

WOW

[ebon notch]

looted 60k essences

22 keys

[oak tangle]

rares give keys on second kills too btw

[unreal bear]

meanwhile i had to roll 15 times for the fucking shitty movement gem that we dont even use

[gusty mirage]

its okay

[static glacier]

Core of the issue is the talent trees, we have a lot of st nodes while inherently this isn’t always bad our aoe nodes are either costly to take or just not that powerful compared to sub

[gusty mirage]

my vault gave me 8 of those

and 6 healing ones

[ebon notch]

are you not using blood shadow arcane?

[fossil garnet]

2 rogues 2 rings 🤡

[gusty mirage]

I legit looted 8 fucking speed wind gems

what a time to be alive

[oak tangle]

we're a ST tuned dot spec, which inherently means they need to limit our ability to apply those dots to mass targets. it's why something like garrote is capped to maintaining 4 in total at once.

IC helps the issue, but mob count can either make it a waste or not enough

and because alot of our power is within a st dot, having to spec aoe you lose that st damage, making those dots weaker again

[static glacier]

Blizzard turned their back on this idea that x spec can mainly st or aoe (see feral, shadow)

[oak tangle]

they can adjust damage numbers all they want, the interaction is inherently flawed

[static glacier]

Or if they are maintaining this archaic stance that sin isn’t allowed to be good at anything but pure ST they should let us be very well tuned at it

[fossil garnet]

except ww

[static glacier]

feelswwman

[crimson marsh]

Yeah WW has one spec and its AoE only

[oak tangle]

WW in nathria was actually pretty good ST

[oak sky]

and aoe

but then they nerfed the st

[crimson marsh]

I don't think going back whole expansions helps the point

[fossil garnet]

so much gamba today I remembered legion PB

[oak tangle]

i mained ww in nathria because our team needed a monk, and of course i get flamed for fotm

[static glacier]

Honestly one of sin’s core issues is we don’t have aoe cool-downs

At this point IC / AP feel more like pre requisites to AoE in their respective builds

Without them we’re not even in the race

[marble hemlock]

thats never going to change because every other class hates rogues

[unreal bear]

i wouldn't mind being gimped in aoe if we were at least standout at ST

[marble hemlock]

"looks good in m+ and pvp" = rogue not bad

[fossil garnet]

we do next tier

[static glacier]

I’m coping that they’ll change the tier

[fossil garnet]

same, I do not want to do m+ with that shit

[static glacier]

Atleast DM will actually do something in aoe vs now

[regal sable]

quick bro dm the nokhud totem, its immune so u proc the 4pc faster bro

[static glacier]

Wouldn’t mind if they gave sin strong funnel instead of real aoe (think pre BP, pre the bfa / legion finisher amp from shuriken storm funnel sub)

[gusty mirage]

https://imgur.com/ZtgroTX

[fossil garnet]

idk if its a hot take but I feel like the legion PB with KB cdr made aoe feel a lot smoother

[hollow junco]

legion PB lottery was a thing

such high highs, such low lows

[balmy condor]

Maybe, but it was one of the most warped rotations because of it

[hollow junco]

can't say i remember it fondly but i guess it worked

[balmy condor]

Fishing for a proc for ALL your damage

[regal sable]

it got hotfix nerf i think

[balmy condor]

No good

[regal sable]

:(((((

[balmy condor]

That’s not the combo

[fossil garnet]

ye but that spec made me feall in love

[hollow junco]

what exactly am i looking at

[regal sable]

https://twitter.com/QE_WoW/status/1635433623162699776

Questionably Epic (@QE_WoW)

@WarcraftDevs If you combine the Wild Spirit, Storm Infused and Prophetic Twilight stones on the PTR you get a nice (almost) infinite DPS combo. The DPS stone procs the healing stone which procs the DPS stone and so on. Seems good.

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[static glacier]

Legion was wild, blood of the exsanguinated proc in opener? W/e that wierd non poison poison was

[marble hemlock]

thats from like

over a week ago

[hollow junco]

lol a twitter link, have managed to avoid clicking those for a while

i'll click this

what's this

no, fuck you elon

[regal sable]

shhhhh im prepping for 10.0.7 its launching in 4 days

[hollow junco]

you want me to pay money to have a baseline level of security?

[marble hemlock]

[unreal bear]

kek

tbf it's just the text mfa

[marble hemlock]

you still have that. also, this is assassination, not offtopic. the daily "bad elon" whine-fest is over in #off-topic

[hollow junco]

fair, just living in the moment

idk if it's just rose-tinted glasses but i remember legion fondly for all 3 specs

for sin though, yeah PB was...

when being a goober and competing with friends in dungeons, i didnt like that my performance from pull to pull would vary so much from PB procs

[hollow junco]

I was happy-ish to move away from that. in hindsight, weird feelings about RNG aside, i agree it was a smooth-ish point in assassination history

if smooth is code for "the spec works"

[fossil garnet]

it felt pretty good

and we didnt have CT

[hollow junco]

i can't remember CT ever feeling good

[fossil garnet]

cant say I disliked it at all in m+ (yes raid was a "little" casino like) but overall it did was smooth and did a lot on both aoe and st

I really dont like ct, if I could I would play the old style over current

even with the rng

[hollow junco]

i'd prefer PB casino over CT

given the choice

[fossil garnet]

its not like there isnt any rng now

[marble hemlock]

outlaw was pretty disgustingly bad in legion. well, not all of legion, only the time after the first 2 weeks when they clapped all artifact traits for the spec and nerfed it by like 15%

[regal sable]

i liked legion outlaw

[fossil garnet]

ye same

[regal sable]

also imagine casino PB funnel

50% chance to proc pb, 50% chance to do more ST dmg

hehe

[fossil garnet]

yea, imo all rogue specs were better back then

[hollow junco]

could also be that legion was an exciting expansion to play and felt neato

it was such a huge step from wod

[fossil garnet]

didnt play wod but played all patches since 7.1

[hollow junco]

bfa felt like it was trying to be "hey guys legion was really cool lets do it again, except this time worse and with shittier and even more confusing storytelling"

but at least we got shrouded suffocation

[balmy condor]

Yeah that got hotfixed on ptr before the patch launched

[fossil garnet]

only good thing since legion is SS, that is a good talent

[balmy condor]

[regal sable]

i am despair

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[drifting cosmos]

Yea I think sin was pretty good in 7.3

even with pb that many didn’t like

[hollow junco]

pb complaints in legion were and still are valid

it's just that the spec is overall so much worse now comparatively that we look back on those days fondly

but at least i have something to complain about on the internet. it's important to have that in your life.

[dark token]

Ehhh it was op for week 1 of en, turbo nerfed after, but if you had the original green skins legendary it actually was top in tov and EN even post nerf

You just had to luck into that legendary. Same with sub boots making sub really good first two tiers but garbage otherwise

Whereas sin could work with any of em

[stray abyss]

hey guys I have a friend who does really low dps as assassin rogue, is there a place I can drop a log here for some advice?

[uncut echo]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[uncut echo]

Plop em in wowanalyzer

Sin is v easy to use on wowanalyzer

[thorn fjord]

Man I got super lucky

Got all the stones within an hour

Even the ones before the new combination was posted lol

Damn

[thorn fjord]

Legion sin was love

[unreal bear]

https://tenor.com/view/b-boomer-boomer-bttv-twitch-classic-rock-gif-15991791

hell mothafuckin yea

[thorn fjord]

Bro this ring is crazy lmao

10.6% upgrade to OL ST and 7.3% for sub ST in raz spec

waiting on sin sims

[balmy condor]

Waiting on hotfix nerfs

I’m stockpiling my gem dust

I grouped into an m+ with a rogue from a server I’ve never heard of yesterday

Was wild

Shu’halo

Did you know that was a server

[thorn fjord]

That an oceanic?

[balmy condor]

No idea

It’s on NA region

I assume it’s oceanic

[thorn fjord]

Neptulon? lolol

[balmy condor]

Gesundheit

[unreal bear]

sounds Samoan

[balmy condor]

Bis girlscout cookie

[unreal bear]

i'm a peanut butter patties / tagalongs whatever they're called fan

thin mints in the freezer also so good

[balmy condor]

Both very good

Based cookie opinions

[gusty mirage]

its NA

like US-NA

connected with eitrigg iirc

[unreal bear]

"The 2023 Girl Scout cookie season started Friday, Feb. 17, and ends March 19."

dude FUCK

[balmy condor]

Gesundheit

[balmy condor]

Allergy season man

[brazen zodiac]

^^

[gusty mirage]

this ragweed man

gets the worst of me

also makes me rag on people in assassination

[marble hemlock]

That's a name i haven't heard in a while

[gusty mirage]

I will always remember that server fondly

[silk bane]

Where ring nerfs I wanna upgrade my stuff Madge

[gusty mirage]

moved from bloodhoof to eitrigg when they opened up the free transfers

[marble hemlock]

One of the best orc characters

[gusty mirage]

was in the #1 guild on that server for a while

[marble hemlock]

But they never did anything with him after mop

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage

https://tenor.com/view/apple-cat-fast-gif-19997541

[gusty mirage]

Oxi the human priest

[brazen zodiac]

its even faster

[gusty mirage]

bis healer

[brazen zodiac]

it goes

even faster

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor

[unreal bear]

bro people are scalping girl scout cookies

[balmy condor]

Big

[marble hemlock]

Eitrigg would've been a good war chief

[gusty mirage]

at this point nova would've been a good war chief

wow's lore is more dead than my ambition to make the regulars in RH like me

[unreal bear]

wish they never killed Varok off

[gusty mirage]

this man dropping saurfang's first name

wtf

I had to google that shit

[marble hemlock]

One of the few og characters they could bring back to push for more peace between the factions

[unreal bear]

we were on a first name basis

[marble hemlock]

Tirion+eitrigg bromance

[balmy condor]

Me and Go’el go way back bro

[unreal bear]

deadnaming the earth-warder smh

[gusty mirage]

isn't eitrigg still in the game?

isn't he like hanging out with the blackrocks or some shit?

[balmy condor]

Son of Ka-el

[marble hemlock]

Dunno

They never did anything with him post mop

[unreal bear]

his wiki says he has been doing some stuff in df

but i've never heard of it

[gusty mirage]

wdym

he fought with saurfang

in bfa

[marble hemlock]

Did he?

[gusty mirage]

I vaguely remember it

[marble hemlock]

Oh yeah

[gusty mirage]

during the loyalist/revolutionary bullshit they stuffed down our throats

[marble hemlock]

He's the blackrock chieftain now apparently

😮

In df

[balmy condor]

Woah can’t say that bro

[gusty mirage]

just banana him

like zine did to shiennar earlier today

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna hit him with the bazinga

[marble hemlock]

Looks like it's part of the orc heritage quest

[viscid spear]

Varok Orcbama

[outer lodge]

Finally got grieftorch and now my icon is simming higher with the ring

[regal sable]

add a moonkin to ur group to increase grieftorch dps

[pseudo rain]

so how good is assassination at the moment?

[balmy condor]

Good enough for 99% of the playerbase

Considerably weaker in aoe compared to the other two and doesn’t hold a strong niche in single target for the 1%

[brazen zodiac]

1% being-

whispyr maplestory been down all day :C

[balmy condor]

Despair

[brazen zodiac]

:C

[balmy condor]

Patch day rough

:(

[flint ridge]

Do i play maplestory now to be good in assass too?

[balmy condor]

Yep

This is maplestory channel now

[marble hemlock]

what about pinestory tho?

[brazen zodiac]

all im saying is

i started playig maplestory

and my parses gone up idk

[ebon notch]

I've never touched maplestory

[balmy condor]

I was gonna say some vile shit

self restraint

[ebon notch]

Wtf

DM it to me

I'm curious now

[brazen zodiac]

u should

[green juniper]

Did we get set changes i heard some classes got

[brazen zodiac]

fun game

no we didnt

if we did u would def know about it xd

[green juniper]

[steel ridge]

Imagine rogue changes

Lmao

[alpine pagoda]

x D

[steel ridge]

At this point blizz is just trolling us

There are no 10.1 changes planned for rogue, thats my assumption.

Making warlocks op is priority obviously

[unreal bear]

S> Ilbis 40M @@@@@@@@@@@

[balmy condor]

ilbis are on vendor L bozo

[unreal bear]

shows how long it's been since i played

[near valley]

Imagine willingly playing maplestory

[balmy condor]

I do, constantly

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

look man

it's either maplestory, or the same m+ dungeons for a 75th time

[near valley]

Both sound rough ngl

[balmy condor]

maplestory good though

[near valley]

I've only played 2

[balmy condor]

oh

well

that's a shit game

and nothing like 1

[stable apex]

Why is there such a big correlation between ass players and weebdom

[balmy condor]

there's a reason they shut down maplestory 2 servers after a year and a half lets just say that

[near valley]

Oh fair. Makes a lot of sense

Might give it a go

After D4 beta though

[balmy condor]

maplestory is korean, not japanese, L + cringe + don't shit on people's fun or I'll shit on you

[near valley]

When u said ass players I thought u meant bad

[stable apex]

No shitting, was just wondering

[near valley]

And I was wondering how you knew I was

[stable apex]

I just ment the specc

[balmy condor]

but yeh dunno

[stable apex]

Don't put words in my mouth. Tyvm

[balmy condor]

I think there's plenty of weebs

guy could be considered a weeb

and he's the biggest outlaw otp I know

[near valley]

[stable apex]

He is

100%

[near valley]

[near valley]

Rogue players low key play the class to live out their naruto fantasies from when they were a child

And by players I mean me

[balmy condor]

I haven't watched naruto, but I have watched monster musume (don't google that)

[near valley]

I know what it is

Spider chick best girl

Don't @ me

[balmy condor]

kinda real for that

[oak tangle]

weebs everywhere, just assassin has somewhere else they'd rather be than in wow atm

[flint ridge]

any data on the interaction of prophetic twilight stone and desirous blood stone and 1 dmg stone?

[near valley]

Gotta escape the harsh reality of an ass player somehow

[empty dawn]

@ing you because the correct answer is Polt

[balmy condor]

yeh the data is that it's fucking crazy strong

[stable apex]

Understandable

[vestal wren]

twilight is oppressive atm

[flint ridge]

damn whats the best dmg stone with it?

[balmy condor]

humming

[near valley]

[vestal wren]

did never hear about monster museum

[balmy condor]

consider yourself lucky

it's not a proud watch

[oak tangle]

do we have bug confirmation or intended

[near valley]

Watched it for the plot

[balmy condor]

for sure

[balmy condor]

nothing yet

[flint ridge]

the bug/intended synergy works on aoe situations,, no?

[near valley]

I dont think

[vestal wren]

maybe i start to get old, but my grip with most of the new animes is that essentially everything now is "MMO" or "reborn/reincarnated in a mostly rpg world"

[balmy condor]

it's just blood + twilight

so

not really an aoe interaction

the gems all seem kinda shit for aoe

just across the board

they're much stronger in single target generally

[near valley]

Isekai is the term old man

[flint ridge]

how strong are people finding it on ST. for instance on assa. like 10%? ballaprk?

[balmy condor]

non-bugged is 0.7%

the bugged one is like 2.5%

over the regular setup

[flint ridge]

which is the diurna ring which I don't have. pog

time to farm em. haha

[balmy condor]

well you'd replace signet of melandrus

over diurna

but yeah

[flint ridge]

ah yeah the 421 signet which i also dont have haha

[balmy condor]

415

[flint ridge]

so on m+ we just ditch these ring, right?

or council / kurog

[maiden ginkgo]

are primordial gem sims out?

[balmy condor]

yes, pins

[balmy condor]

yes

[near valley]

BTW I recommend Emminance im Shadow (to read but the show is not bad either)

[vestal wren]

spy x family is probably the one of the newer animes that is rly good.
Not sure if the mentioned is any good.

[near valley]

Spy x family is class

I like the mentioned

Depends really if u can relate to the MC

Otherwise u may find him cringe

[vestal wren]

#tc-research:
How to sim for your gear:
#tc-research message
Twilight + blood:
#tc-research message
Regular without the twilight + blood shananigans:
#tc-research message

[near valley]

If not that, Blue Lock is really good too

Sports one but far more interesting than you'd assume

[grim jay]

[gaunt moat]

At this point, we should just wish for everyone else to get nerfed

[grim jay]

Well unlikely, they are all crying so hard about their tierset being useless

Theyll prolly all get buffed

[gaunt moat]

1. So do we
2. Some of them already have

[near valley]

Dw guys

[grim jay]

I dont see many sins crying openly outside of discord actually

[near valley]

Their coming up with a sick new set for us

They just want to take their time with the fix

You know a set that was pretty good and interesting though?

Outlaw

[shrewd night]

Crying just to cry is cringe. Sandbagging is cringe. Guess we are getting slapped for not being cringe.

[near valley]

So we should send a real poison bomb to blizz hq?

Let em know we mean business

[steel ridge]

Facts

[near valley]

On the real though Arcane has a similar issue but their tier didn't get changed

So maybe its working as intended

[gaunt moat]

Sin can still squeeze some juice. It's just hunters that are shitting on everyone else, so it feels bad to play a spec that's competing with them.
And they've also had their HP buffed now. our hunters have over 400k HP now.
somethings gotta give.
(Broodkeeper boss damage. I didn't play perfectly, but acceptable)

If next season their power level will be more in-line with everyone else, it wouldn't be as bad.

[near valley]

Doubt it

BM is like the poster child of wow

[grim jay]

Arcane tier is the same shit as sin 😁

So ye

They addressed the issues of fire and frost somewhat, while just changing tooltip for arcane

Which seems like its like they want it to be as it is

[grim jay]

I actually volunteered to play sub on adds

[near valley]

Ye exactly

Seems they just want to flatten out the damage profile which is fine

But they gotta change how they go about it

[grim jay]

No its actually not

Burst should be a good playstyle

Many people like it way more than sustained stuff

So they shouldnt just try to flatten everyones profile

[steel ridge]

Thats just how it is now

[grim jay]

I mean look at Sub

Had really big and juicy dances once. Now its basically sustained

[steel ridge]

Dances are way bigger than in SL tho

[grim jay]

That just shows that thats their direction actually

And not just a one time balance issue

Sub and sin should be more bursty while sin also has some sustained damage. Its literally assassination, you dont assassinate someone by poking them equally over 1 hour straight

[gaunt moat]

why not

[storm onyx]

Sub had a player base issue; lots of ppl were constantly complaining how spec deals no dmg out of dance. Thus Blizz created the perma-dance build which felt awful (imo)

No matter what is done there will always be ppl that will complain about it. Sometimes regardless of the percentage of ppl complaining; it gets respond

Tbh WoD sub was great

[royal lantern]

those fking outlaw players ruin every spec cus they need to spam 1button all the time or the spec is bad

8.1 was a disaster for the rogue playerbase

good thing they are also the loudest 🙂

[grim jay]

Dunno. Legion dfa Sub was fun, they could bring that back. Had a blast with HFC Sub aswell.
The people crying loud often are either a minority or even people that dont even play it mainly after changes

[royal lantern]

bfa sub was the best sub post legion gameplay wise

but blizz decided to just nuke it out of Orbit

no 24/7dance, still meaningfull dance windows

[regal sable]

i liked meatball sub

[royal lantern]

then SL with permanent dance

and now DF sub where just nothing matters

great

[grim jay]

Atleast 10.1 tier makes noone think about how bad it feels to not have symbols for dance

I kinda gave up on meaningful changes to sin tho. Its really early and all, but dunno

Feels like it will mostly turn out to be numbers aside from exs

[royal lantern]

i mean yes

ct buff, garrote dmg buff, maybe a kingsbane buff, the end

thats ginna be 10.1

if at all

the way rogue gets ignored since DF launch, im not even suprised if just nothing happens at all

[grim jay]

They should just move KB to AP as choice

So we might atleast be able to play it again

[oak tangle]

The arcane tooltip change matters though, i'm fairly certain they didn't realise that they'd get their entire mana pool worth dumped into that set bonus

[royal lantern]

wut

[oak tangle]

here we go

[royal lantern]

no, why bring up arcane now

what am i missing

[grim jay]

They could easily Max Stack it before with normal rotation

And it still gives an amp to your not-so-high damage window

[oak tangle]

the complaints i saw were with how clearcasting didn't let them reach it

of course the secondary amp sucks, but they start off with 15 stacks isntantly with surge

it would make more sense if the amp gave more sd than surge, so they could be incentivised to use surge as a big amp

[grim jay]

I've seen the opposite. 😁
Anyways, the 4p is counter intuitive to their playstyle

[oak tangle]

yeah

[grim jay]

Even worse than for sin

Actually

[oak tangle]

only because of the trinket

[grim jay]

So at this point with multiple tiers shitting on burst, I think they just dont want any

[oak tangle]

they care far less without having to use talon

but that's not an option

[grim jay]

Ye and they lose sbg for the alternate trinket

Might work with irideus or what its called tho

[oak tangle]

they should make it something like it is now, but let them sling free 4 charge barrages or seomthing

[drifting cosmos]

🤨is it just me or a lot of tier designs are currently questionable

It’s like they are trying something but making it much worse

[oak tangle]

their aim seems to be to make you use unsused talents or to change your damage profile

[drifting cosmos]

Passive tier bonus with better numbers tuning might be a better idea

[royal lantern]

yes

[drifting cosmos]

And just use resources to tune the damn talents

Will have bigger impact on game play

Like all those first impressions, none of them have been all positives I believe? Except outlul

[subtle tundra]

we should've gotten a shadow dance tier set

[royal lantern]

varas with the L takes like always

[subtle tundra]

im gonna put you sideways

kid

[royal lantern]

arent you younger then me

[subtle tundra]

you can still be a kid

[royal lantern]

says the guy that almost got a mental breakdown when i told him "worldquests for travelers log, takes 15min to finish the entire thing"

[broken stump]

Either I've got deja vu or this same thing was said yesterday

[royal lantern]

because varas jumps bettwen good stuff and absolutely braindead shit more often than me

[grim jay]

I mean, if there were no differences you might aswell be the same person

[subtle tundra]

You haven't seen me having a mental breakdown

[grim jay]

Inb4 logged in as tyran in the browser and varas in the app

[subtle tundra]

My mental is too strong

[frail rivet]

are there any pinned msgs about the new ring?

[copper hazel]

i know a great way to find out

[frail rivet]

s-sim...

but there are a lot of embelishments

wait you meant search lol

[copper hazel]

uh, you asked if there are any pins

like, click the pin icon 😄

[frail rivet]

ok Kek

[copper hazel]

itll tell you alllllll you need to know

[frail rivet]

yeah on phone im clueless ty

[copper hazel]

ah fair

[normal mist]

Top right

[copper hazel]

slide the chat to the left, itll bring up the user list

[normal mist]

I'm on phone aswell

[copper hazel]

then top of that is the pin icon

[normal mist]

We can't slide chat no more

[copper hazel]

oh? ok thats fair, havent used it on phone in a minute

[normal mist]

It automatically tries to reply

[grim jay]

Just click the Button then

[normal mist]

Yeah exactly

On top right

[frail rivet]

yeye understandable interesting

just got diurna out of my vault

now this ring

[grim jay]

Wdym diurna

Actual diurna

Or eranog

[tacit otter]

I know it was asked a couple times, but how do i manage pushbacks on rasz? step + step; step + gate; cloak; step + step?

[copper hazel]

boon trinket

[hollow dirge]

you have 4 pushbacks?

i go step, double step, cloak, double step

gate I leave as last resort in case I fucked up something

[tacit otter]

i see, ill try it that way thank you:)

[frail rivet]

eranog oops

[grim jay]

Well gz

You use both then

[north basin]

So gems wasnt nerfed at the end? Maybe its intended we have some fun with overtuned stuff

[grim jay]

Its not really gamebreaking

Especially at this point

[vestal wren]

wasn't nerfed yet

still possible that they nerf it now

don't think they would nerf it tho if they wouldn't today

[rigid tartan]

I dont think its "broken op" in current iteration. It's supposed to be bis and its only like like 2k dps higher than previous bis combo? Would actually be shite if it was only 300 dps upgrade to previous bis and not feel exciting at all. Also we desparately need higher tuning on all of the 3 specs in single target scenarios

[subtle tundra]

Rip my logs cause I ain't farming them

[royal lantern]

patch is over in ~ 2 1/2 months anyway

[pseudo hamlet]

Hey guys!
I wrote a thread on the official EU Blizzard forum about Assassination spec:
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/state-of-assassination-rogue-spec-raidmpve/438534

It isn't that long!
You may agree with some points or not, but I guess it's crucial to let Blizzard hear our voices. Even if you don't think alike it would be nice to actually let them know that we are not happy(or we are!) how the current spec works.
Every voice/opinion/post is worth its weight in gold!

[balmy condor]

sadly the problem isn't that they aren't hearing us

it's that they aren't doing anything with the feedback

[subtle tundra]

Next week for sure

😤

[balmy condor]

blizzard's doing a whole lot of listening

and a bunch of hearing

it's just no changes

[vestal wren]

rogue just seems to be not a priority

when they assign dev time

[oak tangle]

retination rogue

[pseudo hamlet]

It seems to me that I no longer have any "the next patch will surely fix it" in me and it's truly time for a break.

[steel ridge]

lets face it, 3 weeks into 10.1 PTR and not a single note. this ship has sailed

[vestal wren]

i wouldn't be too negative before we get closer to 10.1

just give it time

[steel ridge]

if there was anything to write home about, realz would have teased us

its like you said, the dev time assignment is just not in rogues favor... if you compare what druids, warlocks, hunters, priests get in terms of attention

[vivid bone]

just remove assa spec and give us a healing spec instead.

[vestal wren]

yes, but this could be a consequence of tuning and early tree design issues

ret rework was a consequence of their tree/talents being in a rly bad spot

[steel ridge]

most other classes had big improvements on their trees, QoL stuff and so on

[vestal wren]

priest changes are similar

rogue is in a at least tuning wise okay spot

hence i could see how it gets less attention

[steel ridge]

turning a knob 10% up or down doesnt require any effort

getting actual functionality in there does, and thats missing.

[vestal wren]

it is the problem with high tuning

if a class performs well, it is less likely to see adjustments

why chaange somthing that works well

kind of mindset

(not saying it is the reason, hence we have no idea what blizz does, but i do think the logic is not too far off)

[hollow dirge]

what they did with community council should also be done per spec, have a small council of people that know spec in and out and play it, and listen to their feedback

since numbers don't give you an actual idea if the spec works or not

[steel ridge]

but assassination has lowest represenation in wcl and keys 🙂

and if they actually listen/hear they know why

[vivid bone]

good.

[vivid bone]

this could be pretty good

[grim jay]

Thats probably to a certain degree a result of sub and outlaw doing as well as they do tho.

Design issue aside

[steel ridge]

nah thats 100% down to assassination playing like turd in keys

[tawny bloom]

but those should be then voted by the community and not randomized. I really dont want lfr/normal raider or 1000rio people tell me the spec is fine and dont need any changes

[vivid bone]

if their knowledge is good, then it shouldn't matter what their rio is

[steel ridge]

knowledge is power

[grim jay]

Shouldnt be voted at all. Dont want random youtube nutcases in there

Should just be the TCs

[tawny bloom]

you can only define spec knowledge by how much and how well they play the spec.

[vivid bone]

let's just agree that Fuu is in there

[near valley]

Tbf ur a spec with 3 dps classes and 2 are doing good

You're likely going to be low priority for a lot of tuning things

[vivid bone]

you got that the other way around

[tawny bloom]

i would gladly take a 10-15% nerf but rather enjoying to play it

[steel ridge]

i just care for assassination cause i like it and play it whenever its not trolling

[vivid bone]

you wouldn't enjoy it at the bottom of the dps meter

[grim jay]

Yeah no

[near valley]

Do I? Outlaw and Sub are doing aight

[tawny bloom]

as an egg player on diurna im not top dpsing either for 40% of the fight

[vivid bone]

that's just one fight

[vivid bone]

I mean you said spec and class the wrong way around, other than that you are right

[near valley]

Ah yeah fairs

But u get what I mean

[oak tangle]

i hate the argument that i should just play a different spec because i have 2 others to choose from. mostly touted by people who never have to choose between specs for content types

[tawny bloom]

by community i mean rogue discord not youtubers. Obviously I would not want those in there either

[uncut echo]

That's kinda false tho memz

Most triple dps specs always have one that lacks

[oak tangle]

the difference is that in their case, that 1 spec changes

[tawny bloom]

look at feral players for shadowlands and lot of time of bfa. Spec was dog too and they were told to play boomie

and when boomie was bad they were told to go heal or tank

[oak tangle]

it's still a shit argument, people should be able to have fun with what they want. and a cop out for a development team to say it

[tawny bloom]

you have it with like nearly every class except for maybe paladins

[tawny bloom]

ofc it is and i wont deny it. But sadly not only us rogues are fucked by the devs decision.

pvp players have it even worse

if bad luck they gonna wait 8 weeks again to be 4p

[oak tangle]

i'm lucky in that i enjoy sub as well, but i'm sure there are peeps that play assass or a different class or not at all

[uncut echo]

Fun does not equal bis damage

[oak tangle]

agreed, sin in keys is not fun though

[uncut echo]

🤝

[unborn oasis]

I dont care if its strong or not i just want it to feel fun to play with some actuall gameplay changing talents. Right now im basically playing SL sin

[tawny bloom]

if they dont change anything anyway they should atleast give us the long awaited exsanguinate rework

[oak tangle]

i have no issue with the sin ST situation. i know alot do, sure there could be updates to the rotation, but i like it for what it is (why i started playing it) but aoe is atrocious and always has been. I think alot of the issues have been amplified by this tier's fight design which 10.1 looks to be a better structure for us (assuming no add phases in mythic)

[west turret]

hey guys, im new to assa and rogue in general, just started doing some m10's and above was expecting my damage to ramp up as the trash lasted for longer but my dps seems really low, i kinda noticed im missing a lot of my big combo spenders and idk if thats normal. Any ideas what the issue might be?

[royal lantern]

the issue is that assa is not good in m+

[tawny bloom]

i mean you can play it in cos pugs where the pulls aint that big anyway and you bring good utility. But any other dungeons it feels depressing to play

[royal lantern]

get dots rolling for energy, then envenom for buff and spamm ct, thats the aoe gameplay with cp

[oak tangle]

what talent capstones are you running? you will have to spec aoe in keys to do much. which will hurt your single target.

[broken stump]

Assassination and Sub have similar secondary requirements right? Is it legit to just play Assassination in raids and use the same gear as Sub for M+? Kinda naff because I did originally like the idea of playing Assa

[dark token]

That's a big assumption

[uncut echo]

Identical

[dark token]

Historically a lot of mainly st heroic bosses get mythic adds

It's very common

[oak tangle]

yeah. if it's 1 add like a prio kill though we can work with that

[royal lantern]

stats are not a real problem anymore for soec swapping

all3 have crit as the best stat(giving everyone seal fate does that to a mf)

mastery is good for assa and sub and not a troll stat anymore for outlaw

aka spec swapps are not bad cus of secondarys

[oak tangle]

tbh most fights in the raid you'd be sub anyway

[broken stump]

I guess the nice thing with Assa-Sub is that you don't need a second set of weapons like Outlaw

[broken stump]

Oh really? Because its kit is better suited or just because it pumps more?

[royal lantern]

real rogues use daggers anyway

fuck yahtzee pirate

[grim jay]

The nice thing with Sin-Sub is that you dont play outlaw

[tawny bloom]

real rogues have a tmog set to walk around with glaives

[oak tangle]

terros is the only pure ST fight, you can work around assass to tunnel bosses but whether or not that is the best option can vary

[west turret]

i dont really know what capstones are but im using the same talents and stuff as the highest rated ppl on raider.io and stuff

[royal lantern]

sub rn just does everything assa does, but better

the pure st difference is very very very small, and sub is a aoe monster, no reason to play assa at all if im honest.....

[west turret]

which im guessing is the AOE m+

[oak tangle]

the last row in the spec tree

[west turret]

DTB and carnage

[broken stump]

Maybe I just haven't played it enough yet, but there's something about Sub that seems boring but I might be missing something

[oak tangle]

it's the static dance window and gloom spam between them

[tawny bloom]

i play sin during our rasz prog, our other rogue is sub. P1 im slightly ahead of him, P1.5 he gets far ahead and during P2 I get to be really close on him again. Havent done it further yet but P2.5 and P3 should be mine too

[west turret]

are the "misses" thing a normal problem for rogues? i usually play frost dk and i dont remember the last time my obliterates missed

[gusty mirage]

The ST difference no longer exists thanks to the ring. Pretty sure sub is better in ST now

[oak tangle]

make sure you're behind the mob

[west turret]

ohh i thought that only made a diff for sub

shoot

[tawny bloom]

i still sim 4k dps more than the other rogue with similar gear except for me not having eranog ring and grieftorch while he does

[oak tangle]

yeah sin is good boss dam, as long as the adds die

[gusty mirage]

The misses you’re noticing are auto attack misses. Any button you press won’t miss

[oak tangle]

parry is a game wide mechanic and affects all auto attacks

[tawny bloom]

i do play with boon on 3rd adds tho in P1.5 which boost my damage bit more there

[gusty mirage]

i.e. mutilate, envenom, etc won’t miss but can get parried

[royal lantern]

thats why i normaly say "very very small" and now its "very very very small" 🙂

[spark scaffold]

P2.5 is sub teritory

[gusty mirage]

Push’s ST set up sims 2k higher than my assassination set up

And we have very similar gear

[royal lantern]

on raza, you play sub for intermission and assa for boss DMG

just sucks that the intermission is the hard Part, and boss dmg is not needed at all

[tawny bloom]

Is it? I will most likely have boon up there too so I should be able to not drop far on the little ones

[gusty mirage]

There’s actually zero reason to play assassination anymore

[royal lantern]

i did my first sub dungeon yesterday

[spark scaffold]

Its pretty good when boosting

Still need some boss dam

[gusty mirage]

Which sub does better now

So

Okay?

[royal lantern]

89k dungeon dps with only 1trinket cus i forgot to eq cct and with no DF sub gameplay experience except watching people play it and reading a guide 20min before that

[west turret]

can someone send my their damage breakdown from details or something so i can cross check with my stuff?

[tawny bloom]

is it worth to upgrade the twilight stone? Or rather why would it make sense to upgrade it?

[spark scaffold]

How does sub do better at boss dam

Thats some cope

[gusty mirage]

Okay man

[spark scaffold]

Sure if you include p1 and sub holds shit for shields it can do the same dam

But if you both play for useful damage and exclude p1 its not close since you play half the fight in execute

[grim jay]

So what trinket did you have equipped? Considering cct isnt a big baller in dungeons

[gusty mirage]

This man is actually arguing with himself

Comparing sub rogues that are specced into aoe for intermission add damage and assassination which specs into full single target has nothing to do with my original statement

But you do you king

[spark scaffold]

The only difference between "aoe spec" and st for sub is 1 talent point which is a small dps increase on st

[royal lantern]

Puzzlebox and never used it cus it was not on my bar

🙂

noticed at the final boss

[winged veldt]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-primordial-stone-combination-found-deal-30-more-damage-with-the-onyx-annulet-332060

Has this been discussed and I missed it?

[grim jay]

And that while puzzle is the hidden sub m+ banger

[regal sable]

yes

[winged veldt]

Back to scrolling then lol

[regal sable]

pin

[winged veldt]

So twilight, blood, and humming until patched or confirmed it isn’t a bug basically then

[grim jay]

I'm glad wowhead reminded me once more why I dont like outlaw

Silly pirates

[grim jay]

Just use those until whatever changes ye

[gusty mirage]

#tc-research message I'll save you some scrolling

[drifting cloud]

people in guild are saying some hotfix went out

[oak tangle]

tfd is calling

[grim jay]

Weird, more for me

But maybe you like to use tornado, replicating or BP on ST

[spark scaffold]

I dont play tornado or replicating shadows

[grim jay]

[spark scaffold]

Only bp swap for tfd

[oak tangle]

replicating applies 2 ruptures on single target. that's why it does more damage than sin's one right?

[grim jay]

Yeah, dont need to argue any further on that then, saved some time

[heady drum]

the real reason is ; assa is more fun

[spark scaffold]

What is your point even? Do you actually play tornado and replicating shadows on rasz?

[oak tangle]

i think the point is that if you specced sub for the exact same role as sin, you beat it's ST

[spark scaffold]

Ok, but thats not going to happen if exclude p1 which is irelevant damage

[grim jay]

Well its not the aoe spec

Its a mixed build for that specific fight

You basically sacrifice 1 point for basic aoe capability

[royal lantern]

the dream

[uncut echo]

Imagine

Instead we're getting 10% physical DR as a capstone right @royal lantern

[tawny bloom]

must be great not changing 2 sides of your talent tree for aoe

[uncut echo]

[grim jay]

True

[earnest remnant]

Must be Nice to have to spec into different parts of the tree for different scenarios and not just play the same talents all the time

[oak tangle]

^

[gusty mirage]

must be nice to play a spec that does damage

oh wait

wrong discord

[oak tangle]

even though it feels shit (because other's dont have to), it's how all specs should be

[gusty mirage]

sorry I thought I was in the hunter discord

[uncut echo]

We want what you have

😭

[earnest remnant]

I rlly dont

U*

[uncut echo]

I mean I play sub too

[grim jay]

Hunter discord as a whole, not even specific spec

[earnest remnant]

Its as bland as White bread

[uncut echo]

I think rn it's objectively better to have a tree like havocs tho

Where your st can cleave

But you have to make some sacrifices to get big aoe

Too bad havoc does piss single target damage

Or just be a warlock

[dim estuary]

do you need desirous blood stone equipped for it to work ?

[uncut echo]

That's a wow general moment

Bc idk if anyone has fucked with these seriously

[oak tangle]

my guess would be you need the gem, as the twilight would not proc that one

[grim jay]

Uhm

You could just read the last part

And get your answer

[oak tangle]

so you'd proc the damage stone from the heals from that, but the damage from the damage stone won't proc the heal from the blood stone

at least through the twilight stone

[grim jay]

I dont think thats what he wanted to know, tho the question is weird

[royal lantern]

assa and sub both have shit spec trees

sub is just lucky that its tuned higher rn lol, it needs work on its tree ASAP aswell

[gusty mirage]

yeah but for sales and something something p1 damage

or whatever that guy was talking about

[thorn fjord]

Nice still no ring nerf

Score

Wanted atleast one night of prog with it lol

[grim jay]

Gotta nerf it so it gets used as much as before they buffed it

[thorn fjord]

Maybe the ring was a temporary bandaid and they'll leave it in its current state

[gaunt moat]

I don't think they'll fix it.
okay, so outlaw gets 8% from it. who cares?

it's not like outlaw gonna be game breaking

[thorn fjord]

My OL got 10% LOL

10.3 to be exact

[royal lantern]

still in the bottom half for dmg

[gaunt moat]

10% more of 65k dps not gonna brake the game

[thorn fjord]

Was more like 10% of 72k

OL ST sitting at 79.6 lol

In M+ build

[gaunt moat]

bro the numbers don't matter. you get my point

[thorn fjord]

Literally only change was diurna ring for new one

Thats huge gains from 1 item

[gaunt moat]

it's not worth "fixing"

[thorn fjord]

Ehh depends

If they wanted the twilight stone to be more of a healer niche stone then odds are they'll nerf

[gaunt moat]

if it'll be BIS in season 2, then they'll change it

[thorn fjord]

If not then it may be working as intended

[grim jay]

Dunno, they are just general stones for everyone and they are strong because they interact with eachother

Which is actually more interesting than having 3 that do their individual shit

[thorn fjord]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1635433623162699776

Questionably Epic (@QE_WoW)

@WarcraftDevs If you combine the Wild Spirit, Storm Infused and Prophetic Twilight stones on the PTR you get a nice (almost) infinite DPS combo. The DPS stone procs the healing stone which procs the DPS stone and so on. Seems good.

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[gusty mirage]

that was patched on tuesday

[grim jay]

And in the grand scheme of things, like notter said, it isnt even huge

Like breaking stuff or changing the balance

If anything, weaker specs might close some of the gap

[balmy condor]

But the tweet is from 3/13, what day is it tod….

[stuck knoll]

That’s the worst way to fix the weaker classes

[stuck knoll]

How bad is it gonna be if Rogue is carried by the ring for .7

And so no buffs or fixes happen

[shrewd night]

Ronkles

Stop.

[gaunt moat]

Implying buffs would happen otherwise

[thorn fjord]

i know but its still funny 😛

[gusty mirage]

wdym

don't you remember domination shards?

they sure helped outlaw out in 9.2

[grim jay]

It sure is bad, but its better than getting nothing. I dont see rogue getting carried more than other classes eithee, except outlaw. We aint playin that anyways

[thorn fjord]

Frost shards burrrrrrr

[hollow dirge]

they are working for the fix for rogues, there's a big sheet full of changes for both sub and assa spec tree. it's just stealthed

[stuck knoll]

[stuck knoll]

Okay mb

I go

[dusty trellis]

dont give us hope

[stuck knoll]

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

Maybe they see how much we like the ring and the gems

So they keep throwing that at us for all of 10.1

[stuck knoll]

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

hell yeah, I LOVE opening doors