assassination

[balmy condor]

etc etc

[misty holly]

maybe Realz can whitelist Shiv for the annulet.

[balmy condor]

that would be unprecedented

[oak tangle]

can he blacklist exsanguinate from the game

[formal ore]

whispyr how much damage loss is it to not use exsang ?

[balmy condor]

don't think he's about to revert 8 years of shiv whitelisting over a 0.7 ring that's a temp upgrade between seasons

[balmy condor]

bout 2%

[formal ore]

nice

not that big of a deal then

cause i'm getting tired of this thing

siting in my action bar most of the time

waiting to line up

[oak tangle]

i'm assuming that 2% is including the offset from a 3rd zoldyk etc?

[balmy condor]

PoV you're me at the end of emerald nightmare

[balmy condor]

from a second point in imp poison, yes

[formal ore]

i started playing sin this spac i dont know how u can do it

[balmy condor]

the secret is unmedicated depression

be sad about everything, all the time

that way being sad about the game hurts less

[formal ore]

ah

relax we'll get buffs someday

and u can be happy

maybe not this year but it will happen

[balmy condor]

[oak tangle]

5 years of depression runs strong

[storm belfry]

It’ll happen when I main rogue (again)

[formal ore]

but honestly i dont hate exang

[oak tangle]

can you main rogue in 10.0.7

[formal ore]

i just hate the fucking cd on it

[gaunt moat]

my life

[storm belfry]

Am still debating

For next tier

[balmy condor]

I hate exsang's implementation more than anything

the cooldown is fine

it's a strong cooldown

but holy snapshotting is so outdated

and just the concept of having to force your dots through a hidden mechanic to extend the duration so you can use the cooldown

massive cringe

[formal ore]

oh i know but the things is the akward just wait to line up phase

cause it feels like i wasted a talent for aoe and on st i use way less often then i should

[balmy condor]

it's not that bad

[oak tangle]

i'd be nice then if exsang had a line "extends duration of all dots to maximum and then causes them to expire 80% faster"

[balmy condor]

you just use it with every other deathmark

and call it a day

[uncut echo]

spec's fine if they give us any amount of innate cleave / remove/rework exsang to my based and pogpilled idea

[formal ore]

yeah but i find it weird to have a one minute extra wait for a cd u know ?

[balmy condor]

sure but it's confusing to a random new player cause whats "maximum" mean

idk, not explaining pandemic anywhere

and then forcing a mechanic around it

is really awkward

[oak tangle]

fair, maybe they should put pandemic as a skill in the skillbook

[balmy condor]

yeh but that's a whole new can of worms

cause pandemic doesn't work on everything

but it also just works on things like envenom

it's not just for dots

[gaunt moat]

They've given warlocks 3% buff, because SURLY they're still working on something big for 10.1.
It's gonna be huge. tremendous. bigly.

[balmy condor]

you can pandemic pretty much anything

some trinket buffs pandemic themselves

would be one hell of a skill to put into a skill book

[formal ore]

10.1 so far away yet

[balmy condor]

you'd just tie yourself into knots explaining it

[formal ore]

dont lose hopes still

[oak tangle]

exsang, your next application of garrote, rupture.... will expire 80% faster

and 2 min cd

where IC is

[formal ore]

plz

[balmy condor]

too strong

try again

[gaunt moat]

There's no indication in the game even for simple mechanics such as GCD vs 0 GCD, you gotta look it up on wowhead.
They don't like getting into the minutia of mechanics and make them sounds complex in-game.

[oak tangle]

not even if it's where IC is, and no longer benefits from pandemic?

[balmy condor]

I mean it's probably fine

because it's locked behind 3 points of scent

which would contribute nothing to single target

so you dampen the effect

by just locking it behind dogshit

but a 2 min deathmark sync is ridiculously strong

[formal ore]

nerf exang but buff the cooldown of it

[oak tangle]

but we could exsang rupture after dm ends

[balmy condor]

without moving exsang, what is your guess for the % increase speed up exsang would have to be, to retain the same balance as now but on a 2 min cooldown

just give me a number and I'll give you a higher/lower

[formal ore]

40%

[oak tangle]

problem with exsang is it's in an unstable equilibrium

[balmy condor]

lower

[formal ore]

LOWER ?

[balmy condor]

I said what I said

[formal ore]

jesus remove exang now

[balmy condor]

try again

I dare you

[formal ore]

25%?

[balmy condor]

lower

third times the charm?

[formal ore]

why tf is one cast more so freaklish strong

[balmy condor]

because it's not one more cast

[digital onyx]

3% increase?

[formal ore]

14%

[balmy condor]

it's EVERY dm

ah now you're too low

it would be balanced at 20%

[unreal bear]

i understand why we thistle + shiv on our opener. but i'll never enjoy using thistle energy capped

[balmy condor]

so you get either 3 min exsang at 80%

or 2 min at 20%

pick your poison

[oak tangle]

what about 1 min

[formal ore]

honestly this

[balmy condor]

I think 1 min was like 15%

45 second was balanced at 12%

[formal ore]

it would make it less punishing if u fuck up also

[balmy condor]

but it basically synced to dm

so it's not gaining much

[oak tangle]

it honestly sounds like that is a better option for it tuning wise and playing around with that area of numbers is less unstable

[formal ore]

i think the biggest problem for balancing that is for pvp

[balmy condor]

I mean if you have a 20% exsang

you actually just don't feel the cooldown

whats the point of that

[formal ore]

we feel less bad for not running it

200 iq

[gaunt moat]

It just becomes a bigger trap

[oak tangle]

does that tuning not fit more in that place on the tree tough?

[white orchid]

So if In theory exasang was 2 min and retained its speed 80% would that one single change break the class to where we would be number 1 dps in ST in the game?

[balmy condor]

idk bout that

but it would be about a 6-8% buff overall

and you would be unable to ever talent out of exsang

which kinda ruins the point of the tree

and because you're taking exsang, you're also taking the rest of the bleed nodes

so the poison nodes see a lower playrate too

[formal ore]

well most class tree is alredy kinda broken

[balmy condor]

making exsang crazy just kinda dominos into half the tree being useless

[formal ore]

few class have actual flexibility in trees

[oak tangle]

just cause others are bad doesn't mean we should strive to be bad though

[white orchid]

So it’s not necessarily the spec would be busted good, just the fact the we would be pigeon held into a singular build

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean I had this argument on reddit a couple days ago "why are you complaining about assassination, other specs suck too"

very simple answer

I don't give a fuck about them

[storm belfry]

Reddit is a special place

[formal ore]

oh no that was not my point, its just that i think the trees are alredy broken

u basically go st or AoE with every spec in the game

[oak tangle]

huh?

[formal ore]

u dont have much room to play with trees thats what i'm saying

[drifting cloud]

very wrong

[formal ore]

ok then

[balmy condor]

you definitely do

and even if you don't

there are two ways to fix that

[unreal bear]

this man doesnt miss

[oak tangle]

most other specs have 4-5 capstones, and they can actually pick different ones

[balmy condor]

you either create niches for certain things to thrive, forcing choices by way of situation

or you balance them in a given situation to allow for choice

kingsbane/dtb in 10.0.2 was the latter

carnage is the former

we said during beta that kingsbane was 5.1% behind dtb

they buffed kingsbane by 5%

now it was 0.1% behind

choice has been created

the spec icons that many people rep next to their names serve as examples to talent tree choices working

[oak tangle]

is that a symptom of feed back on a talent build rather than a talent in isolation?

[balmy condor]

this wouldn't exist

if there was no choice

[white orchid]

Even if we were allowed to play both KB and DTB we would still lose to hunters in ST😭

[unreal bear]

yeah where's my AP role

[formal ore]

sad ap players

[balmy condor]

it was feedback that specifically allowed that example to work, but it's a fairly common thing that happens during balancing

[formal ore]

but yeah there is a lil room to wiggle

but most of the tree is set

[balmy condor]

3 minute exsanguinate is another example of the talent tree creating choice

[formal ore]

i hate making that choice but u're right

[balmy condor]

exsanguinate vs master assassin in mythic+ are dead even

you can play either one

and still get iron wire

[gaunt moat]

only for it to be moved position and completely negated

[oak tangle]

sorry i was reading more into what you were saying, and thought you were gonna comment on it falling behind dtb when it became a choice node

[balmy condor]

yeh no

I'm sick of dooming kingsbane and the same shit every other day

it's undertuned

it sucks

unlucky, wait for it to change

nothing any of us can do to fix that really

[oak tangle]

yeah no i don't mean with regards to it specifically, but just as an example, where they got it to a point of balance, and moving it did more upset than they foresaw

[balmy condor]

the most I personally can do is pass feedback along and make a muck on social media/wowhead

and they know the feedback

[balmy condor]

with trees this complicated, it happens

we didn't foresee exsanguinate being fucking crazy

until we ran some numbers and changed a bit of logic during beta

and we're like wait a minute

that's a problem

it's a 12% talent

in the middle of the tree

surrounded by 2% talents

[white orchid]

“Don’t be suspicious”

[balmy condor]

that's part of the reason why it got obliterated out of the sky on a coin flip

[oak tangle]

do you think it's partly how constrained our talent paths are that leads into that issue?

[balmy condor]

cause our theorycrafting caught the strength too late

and blizzard didn't see it either

and by the time it was caught

it was too late to try and remedy it any other way

[balmy condor]

no that's just a general issue that happens with any system that introduces complexity

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

blizzard moved away from the legion/bfa system design where you have 15 things stacking on top of each other for that reason

[near valley]

I love coming back and seeing exsanguinate still being so loved

[balmy condor]

you add one thing to this giant jenga tower

and all of a sudden you change out pieces

and what should've been a 3% gain

found a 2% better legendary

and a 3% better talent

[oak tangle]

i just mean in comparison to other classes, our tree is a fork, where others are lattices

[balmy condor]

they have the same issues

if anything they have it worse

more lattice means more choice

means more combinations for things to interact and go wrong

the more interactions and the more complexity, the harder it is to control it

[oak tangle]

fair, but the flip side with that is they have an easier time to diversify their build

[near valley]

Eh

[balmy condor]

sure

[echo heath]

Or more unique interactions

[balmy condor]

at the end of the day, you have to reach a balance that's fun for the player and also interesting right

they could've reworked the trees to just be pvp talents

you get a giant list

pick

that's the opposite end of the spectrum

[eager solstice]

Blizzard just fucking hire @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

friction is what causes interesting things

if you just lattice the whole fucking tree

and call it a day

sure you got a ton of choice

[formal ore]

i support that idea

[balmy condor]

but you also just sim the whole tree in one go

[formal ore]

would fix wow in 2 weeks

[balmy condor]

and then path your way through whatever the biggest number is

that's why things like gates exist

so you don't just path of least resistance to the bottom of the tree

and then lattice your way through the bottom 3 rows of talents

picking up all the broken shit

[near valley]

I Keep reading lattice as lettuce and start wondering what u mean kek

[oak tangle]

true, it lets bliz tune a build rather than a talent

[storm forum]

Did I miss something or is rogue just not on the .7 patch notes?

[near valley]

Do u see it there?

[gaunt moat]

i did

in pvp 🙂

[eager solstice]

What’s the easiest fix to rogue aoe atm? Buff fok dmg?

[balmy condor]

I had an english teacher from australia who told a story about how she grew up going to church with her family. She would sit in the pews and the priest would go "let us pray" but every time she would just hear "lettuce pray" and it stuck with her through her adulthood and now she actually can't hear "let us" the same anymore

[oak tangle]

haha

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cabbage-lettuce-pointing-gif-21233851

[balmy condor]

depends on what your definition of "easy" is

you could just buff CT, poison bomb, and fok by 150%

[near valley]

FoK spam pogs

[balmy condor]

that's a very "easy" fix

[royal lantern]

giving everything a big % buff is the most easy way yeha

[balmy condor]

but obviously that has some side effects

it's back to a spectrum of solutions

[near valley]

Poison bomb is fun stuff

[balmy condor]

some are as easy as "crank number now it's good"

[royal lantern]

but i think most people here want an actually revamped aoe for assa (or like, any form of functional aoe)

[near valley]

What is the highest % proc it can be b4 it becomes OP?

[balmy condor]

and the other end is "this talent can't exist in this fashion because making it stronger would break the rotation"

[eager solstice]

To better phrase it, what’s the easiest way to buff assa rogue aoe with their current st build?

[royal lantern]

100% cus pb does no insane aoe dmg lol

[gaunt moat]

There's no real easy fix.
one thing i would have liked to see though:
Move arterial precision to flying daggers node (make that baseline cause it's not even that good anyway)

[balmy condor]

buffing assa rogue aoe with the current st build would have to come through poison bomb or poisons

[near valley]

Living poison bomb

[balmy condor]

at least thats the least intrusive way

[near valley]

Easy talent

Blizz hire me

[oak tangle]

FoK does 1% less damage than mutilate on single target

[eager solstice]

And fok dmg

[balmy condor]

well

you have to be careful with fok damage

you can buff it to an extent

but eventually it'll be competitive single target

[near valley]

Pressing FoK in ST would be tragic

[eager solstice]

Would you increase the radius of pb?

[near valley]

Would be like using bombs with survival as a ST filler

[uncut echo]

fuck it

give FOK the shuriken storm treatment

[balmy condor]

I would copy paste this from my fire/poison mage in maplestory

[near valley]

FoK storm

[oak tangle]

oi does anyone know about the flying blade spell we have

[unreal bear]

remember maplestory 2 and how bad it flopped

[balmy condor]

I do

shit game

good thing it flopped

[balmy condor]

flying daggers? under CT?

[unreal bear]

i remember my dad was like a 13x cleric or some shit

[near valley]

Literally sounds like living bomb for poison

[unreal bear]

dude grinded games

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much is

[gaunt moat]

you mean throwing knife?

[near valley]

Ik I was on to something

[balmy condor]

plenty of things you could do with poison bomb

just gotta like

do something

[unreal bear]

change it from a goo to napalm so mobs cant run out of it

[near valley]

Like poison someone for example?

[oak tangle]

imagine if we ever had a reason rotationally to use

[gaunt moat]

wait you don't? 👀

[near valley]

I'm betting that would feel like shit ngl

[unreal bear]

too busy pooling energy

[near valley]

Unless u mean like when ur away from the boss due to mechanics

[oak tangle]

it's less about making it useul, and asking why it exists

[unreal bear]

have used it on the intermission boss in AV and on eranog when wall is closed in

[near valley]

Pulling mobs ofc

[balmy condor]

we did in antorus for 2 weeks when you could macro it into shadowstep and it would bug out deadly poison and instead of doing instant damage on reapplication the dot would ramp infinitely

[royal lantern]

mate, those abilitys exist so that melee dos can pull flying enemys

and not for rotational purpose

[unreal bear]

jesus christ - i really missed all of the shadowlands jank

[balmy condor]

that one is legion

[unreal bear]

err

[near valley]

That was actually a thing?

[unreal bear]

yea

[uncut echo]

yeah, it was so dumb

[balmy condor]

yeh it was pretty funny but it got nuked real fast

[gaunt moat]

What, I don't remember that 😂
was it late into tier?

[balmy condor]

was about halfway in

[near valley]

Sounds like a fun interaction with exsanguinate

[uncut echo]

never seen logs invalidated so quickly

[near valley]

Oh wait that's for bleeds

[oak tangle]

but it would be a nice thing to be able to use as tank is pulling mobs etc

[near valley]

Smh

[balmy condor]

I remember logs with 4 tanks and 8 healers

[uncut echo]

iirc it was just the damage

[balmy condor]

and just an army of assassination rogues

and they would afk the boss for 5 minutes

[uncut echo]

not tickrate

[balmy condor]

ramping

[unreal bear]

did it work outside of antorus and in pvp?

[near valley]

Successful prog

[balmy condor]

and then the assassination rogues after those 5 minutes would each be dealing the damage of like 4 regular dps

and the boss would melt from 30% to 0 in like 20 seconds

was hilarious

[uncut echo]

remember 1 tank 19 Fire Mages Nyalotha

[near valley]

Bugs like that never fail to amuse me

[uncut echo]

I wish I didn't

[balmy condor]

it probably did but you would've needed to stack the dot, without dispelling it every, for minutes at a time

[royal lantern]

remember 1blood dk 4afflock m+ in legion

[balmy condor]

it wasn't useful outside of high tyrannical bosses and mythic raids

heroic fights were too short to abuse it

[unreal bear]

bizarre

wonder how long it was in the game for

[balmy condor]

it was introduced in the .5 patch if memory serves

cause the crucible shit broke it

or something along those lines

idk my memories a bit fuzzy

[unreal bear]

old man brain kicking in

[balmy condor]

but something something crucible thing increased poison damage

and that caused a change in the backend code

[unreal bear]

not playing the last few xpacs got me feeling a little fomo

[balmy condor]

so when you throw knife and attack the target before it hits

the server registers the poison applying but not fully

so you can stack it

something something infinite scaling

[royal lantern]

S C A L I N G???????

[balmy condor]

I think that's sorta how that went

[near valley]

Wait SbS doesn't work with exsanguinate right?

[balmy condor]

correct

that also worked at one point on beta

[near valley]

Do to something about destroying the game

[balmy condor]

but people just put an sbs on a world boss

and then exsanguinated

and exsanguinated

and it got faster

and faster

and eventually it ticked so fast the zone crashed

and no one could load into bastion on the ptr

[earnest remnant]

i remember that going into SL

[unreal bear]

yeah i saw a vid on that

[near valley]

Forbidden tech

[earnest remnant]

i told a youtuber about it, dude didn't even credit me for telling him

[balmy condor]

you didn't make the video

get bent

[earnest remnant]

true

[unreal bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO5FOUuanYc this guy?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[unreal bear]

lmao

[balmy condor]

capitalism, you snooze you lose

[unreal bear]

nut

[balmy condor]

it's okay, half his videos are just regurgitated from my guides and I never got any credit either

he eventually was like "go to the rogue discord"

and that was like

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

good enough

but yeh

[unreal bear]

on the bright side he stopped making vids

[balmy condor]

I'm in his disc, helping out when there's questions

he's actually a fairly nice guy

[earnest remnant]

yeh he is

[unreal bear]

i feel for any content creator types

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

[sweet dawn]

I mean that's all sin video guides are

Just the wowhead one regurgitated

[royal lantern]

yt algorithm forces you to do shity stuff sometimes sadly

[balmy condor]

but he's very stubborn and I wouldn't say ego, but he's just very convinced of himself

prideful maybe

[sweet dawn]

Which I mean there's only so many ways to skin a cat but still

[unreal bear]

i had been gone from wow for so long that i was surprised wowhead became the go-to for info

[earnest remnant]

i have some insider stuff, as to why im not fond of him personally, but he has always been nice to me when ive spoken to him

[drifting cosmos]

strong feelcraft confidence?

[unreal bear]

was always icyveins before

[oak tangle]

to be fair, that's kinda the game if you wanna be a streamer / content creator

[balmy condor]

what if you criss-cross and then take chunks out like you would a pineapple

[misty holly]

That was a good seasonal affix. I liked big single target being useful.

[sweet dawn]

Yeah same, I came back and was shocked noxxic wasn't good anymore lol

[balmy condor]

noxxic was good?

fucking when

[sweet dawn]

I like your optimism

[unreal bear]

and every addon died. now everyone just uses WA and ElvUI

[near valley]

Noxxic

[unreal bear]

RIP Rogue Power Bars

[near valley]

That's a name from the past

Their site sucks ngl

[sweet dawn]

I'm 20 and loved Noxxic, but when I used it I was like... 14? So I guess I didn't care much for what guides were good

[earnest remnant]

i mean, is it wrong?

[unreal bear]

thanks chatgpt

[digital onyx]

No way

[sweet dawn]

Ngl if I was asked to explain Sin in SL that'd about do it

[balmy condor]

yeh the best thing I can say about noxxic is that it's at most a gross oversimplification

[gusty mirage]

its not even a rotation

[spice surge]

At the start of antorus we figured out you could just use the aoe artifact traits and spam fok for ST too for like +10% dps

It was really dumb throwing FoK instead of mutilate on singletarget

[unreal bear]

yeah i cant find vendetta what gives

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant

[earnest remnant]

based

[balmy condor]

oh baby I'm on the move

[balmy condor]

perfect

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant get fucked nerd

[balmy condor]

3.55% more aoe dps

[near valley]

Sub rogue punching the air rn

[unreal bear]

"ASSASSINATION GIGA ST"

[balmy condor]

I fucking wish

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

oh no

[balmy condor]

I mean

[earnest remnant]

dOwN tImE

[balmy condor]

created with simulationcraft for 8.1?

using game data from 10.0.5?

maybe?

[near valley]

[unreal bear]

[gusty mirage]

it has every rogue's favorite words:
"downtime" and "scaling"

[earnest remnant]

true

[oak tangle]

wtf is this stuff from?

[balmy condor]

that's what we in the business call good SEO

[near valley]

No wonder no buffs to Add

[balmy condor]

noxxic

[near valley]

Ass*

[unreal bear]

sin being less dependent on big cds for damage made me weak

[royal lantern]

where is "F L O W"?

[near valley]

We're scaling bby

[uncut echo]

Noxxic

[gusty mirage]

scaling

[balmy condor]

[near valley]

[unreal bear]

my friends unironically used that line on me. "dude your spec always sucks at the start of the expansion, but rogues always scale better so you'll be overpowered next tier"

[balmy condor]

that's why we're top of the heroic charts

cause we scaled

I think

[uncut echo]

I prefer stat loops

[balmy condor]

maybe

[gusty mirage]

see now you're getting it

[near valley]

Scaled so hard now we're scaling backwards

[unreal bear]

assassination rollover

[balmy condor]

your friends "used"

I'm hoping they aren't your friends anymore after that

[sweet dawn]

Everyone and their mum in my raid is complaining how either they scale so when the new patch comes they'll be shit, or how they don't scale and they're shit now

[unreal bear]

they're arms war and havoc dh so they dont understand my pain.

and they bully me to play sub

[near valley]

The prophets

[unreal bear]

so i sabotage their guild by seeding drama

[gusty mirage]

burn them with fire

its the only way

[sweet dawn]

Fax no cyap

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-bff-high-five-smile-motorcycle-gif-17568115

[sweet dawn]

Burn the heretic

[balmy condor]

these your friends?

[uncut echo]

The prophecy must be fulfilled

[near valley]

Fire mage is the only class that scales

Everyone knows that

[uncut echo]

No class scales

[balmy condor]

everyone scales

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[balmy condor]

dragonscales

[uncut echo]

You know

What I fucking mean

[gusty mirage]

fishscales

wienerscales

[near valley]

Sounds like the words of a non-believer

[gusty mirage]

ya know?

[unreal bear]

i dont think they know anything about rogue. like the one told me rogue is great, but he only plays outlaw and uses Hekili

[sweet dawn]

Dracthyr are the only class that canonically scales ba dum tsh

[near valley]

Can't be having that

[uncut echo]

We all sscalies now

[unreal bear]

i dont think his UI even has his energy on it

[balmy condor]

wait wait I have a screenshot for this

[royal lantern]

you mean like how fire mages always tell ylu that fire dmg is ok to be so broken all the time, they need crit scaling first

ignoring that fire doesnt even stack crit for over 7years now, and IF they would stack crit, they allready couls have over 40% wich is more than the crit chance you often had at the end of an expansion lmao

[unreal bear]

so he never knows how much energy he has

[gusty mirage]

I found out one of our old raiders uses maxdps

[sweet dawn]

I had a rogue need on the strength 1h from Sennarth cus it was "a 70% upgrade"

[gusty mirage]

he's in a top 200 guild....

[near valley]

Maxdps lmao

[gusty mirage]

[near valley]

Shit must be working

[unreal bear]

fucking mint

[earnest remnant]

ohh shit, i remember that

[gusty mirage]

bro

I was floored

I had no idea

and my rl goes

"you know he used maxdps right?"

I was so hurt

[balmy condor]

I thought one of your current raiders uses maxdps

[near valley]

Guy was playing the long con

[gusty mirage]

he might as well

considering he macros tea and dance together

[balmy condor]

hey I did that for about 2 minutes

[unreal bear]

top 200 guilds just need ChatGPT hooked up to SimC

[gusty mirage]

yeah you're not 3100 io trying to teach me how to play rogue though

at one point

he had tea, symbols and dance

on one macro

[balmy condor]

no you're right

I'm 2500 io, and I successfully teach you how to play rogue

[gusty mirage]

I don't even follow your assassination opener loser

[earnest remnant]

i think one of our raiders use some rotation thing as well, not sure what it is tho, but he does numbers so

[balmy condor]

oh okay

[gusty mirage]

I like making life harder on myself

[sweet dawn]

I'm 2500 and still have no idea what I'm doing

[gusty mirage]

by desyncing DM and vanish by 12s

[spice spire]

real

[gusty mirage]

its very fun

MAKES ME FEEL ALIVE

[spice spire]

oxi really just like me

[gusty mirage]

I also like exsanging my deathmark

just built diffy bro

[balmy condor]

I only hit 2500 because I wanted to upgrade my signet to 415

[earnest remnant]

i dont follow the assa opener either

[spice spire]

I REALLY GOTTA SEE THAT 5 CP GARROTE INTO A 3 CP GARROT

[misty holly]

I like to do every opener a bit different. To spice things up.

[spice spire]

KINDA BIGLY

[unreal bear]

this is the way

[gusty mirage]

AMEN BROTHER

[earnest remnant]

i just smack my cast sequence 20 times

[gusty mirage]

that's how I play sub

weird

[sweet dawn]

You tryna tell me you don't run sepsis just so you can be "Him™️"

[spice spire]

I'm that guy

[sweet dawn]

Good

[spice spire]

(I'd never abandon my true love sbs)

[gusty mirage]

he's not, he just wants to feel loved

[near valley]

Sbs OwO

[sweet dawn]

😢

[gusty mirage]

prolly explains my 74k p3 dps eh? @earnest remnant

lmao bro I'm so bad at this game

[balmy condor]

I should quit my job, and full time stream key pushing assassination with sepsis

[sweet dawn]

Flagellation for sin back when?

[balmy condor]

thoughts?

[gusty mirage]

idk why people think I'm good

[spice spire]

something something noah's flood looking like a puddle

[brazen zodiac]

sounds cool

id watch

[gusty mirage]

y'all are smoking crack

[spice spire]

@balmy condor no chill man

unreal

[earnest remnant]

i still cant believe, i shared my Cast sequence with Push in confidentiality and he just insta leaked it to @balmy condor

[sweet dawn]

I'd pay to watch this

[near valley]

You were good?

[gusty mirage]

he also leaked your donger pics

[gusty mirage]

never in my life

[balmy condor]

oh plenty of people pay to watch him as well dw

[gusty mirage]

people think I am though

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

idk where that came from

[balmy condor]

if you want shitpost content like that, it already exists

I mean

upstanding content

from respectable members

of the community

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-brow-gif-8007662

[balmy condor]

that don't have anything wrong with them

love thy neighbor

[spice spire]

True

[gusty mirage]

blue median perf average

[balmy condor]

or whatever the spooky space wizard people believe in tells me

[gusty mirage]

look at that shit

garbage

[marble hemlock]

like who?

[balmy condor]

you know

people

just guys

[gusty mirage]

oh god

seli's here

he's gonna yell at me for saying I suck

gotta go guys

peace

[echo heath]

There's no respectable members in this community

[marble hemlock]

you suck oxi

[earnest remnant]

i just got nostalgia vibes thinking back to watching Seli do keys in BFA during season 2

[marble hemlock]

actually awful boosted player

[gusty mirage]

ty

for finally accepting the truth

[balmy condor]

last time I mentioned it and spoke ill, I got a dm cause someone snitched, and I had to have like a 35 min dm conversation in broken english

[marble hemlock]

now open your mouth so i can spit into it

[gusty mirage]

I'm a pretty mediocre lawyer too

[balmy condor]

so now I only say good things

like

he plays a lot

[near valley]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

shoulda sent him my way

I coulda translated

[sweet dawn]

One of the players of all time?

[gusty mirage]

just sayin

[balmy condor]

he's definitely one of the top rogues in terms of name in reverse alphabetical order

[earnest remnant]

[royal lantern]

a mediocre outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

unironically

for half of SL

my highest parse was an outlaw parse

[unreal bear]

yeah but do you have LexisNexis merch

[gusty mirage]

talk about pathetic

[royal lantern]

mate, it was half of SL

[gusty mirage]

no, I gave them all to my dad

immigrant fathers love free shit

[royal lantern]

not like anyone played assa there lol

[near valley]

I feel attacked

[unreal bear]

lmao, my gf's mom is in charge of their free shit

i have so much of it

[gusty mirage]

bro

they're like

HERES A TUMBLER

HERE'S 15 STICKY NOTES

like what am I supposed to do with 15 fucking sticky notes

either give me 90

or don't give me any

[unreal bear]

i literally have to advise her on why people dont want certain things

[near valley]

15 sticky notes poggies

[gusty mirage]

casually walking to my biz orgs class with a coffee tumbler in my hand

"have a lexisnexis tumbler"

like bro

fuck you

my dad loves it though

so I guess they hit the mark there

[unreal bear]

they gave out a bunch of yetis at least

[balmy condor]

who the fuck is lexisnexis

[spice spire]

me

[unreal bear]

some lawyer database stuff

[earnest remnant]

what if i gave you a "sticky" note

[gusty mirage]

case law research database

[near valley]

Need stuff

[gusty mirage]

Joel from LexisNexis

calls me

[balmy condor]

cringe

[gusty mirage]

10 times a day

[near valley]

Nerd*

[gusty mirage]

5 days a week

[royal lantern]

he just wanted to use a word that has sex in it

[unreal bear]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

sends me 12 emails a week

"I think your practice could benefit from lexisnexis"

like bro I'm a solo practice and I google shit

fuck off

that's right guys

[near valley]

Still though

[gusty mirage]

you pay lawyers to google things

[near valley]

Could it?

[gusty mirage]

that'll be $300 an hour

thanks

[earnest remnant]

AY DONT SNITCH

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[near valley]

The long con

[storm belfry]

sending it now, ty

[unreal bear]

they pay me to stare at javascript documentation and act like i know what im doing

[gusty mirage]

based

I've realized that 90% of the working world is people pretending they know what they're doing

[balmy condor]

was worth it though, I loved getting lost in my 50 square mile neighborhood

[unreal bear]

console.log("hello world")

[gusty mirage]

I didn't even charge you

[unreal bear]

six figures please

[royal lantern]

my brother is a laser engineer and googles shit, that stuff goes everywhere

[balmy condor]

I'll pay to hear you say sweet nothings to me

[gusty mirage]

you get the friends and fine ass discount

[near valley]

Google is actually saving people's jobs

Google is our friend

[gusty mirage]

90% of my job

[unreal bear]

knowing how to google is what separates you from the normies

[near valley]

Imagine actually learning

[gusty mirage]

is reusing templates I stole from my clerkship in law school

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

idk if they're even up to date with the court requirements for filing

[unreal bear]

watching someone type a whole ass question into google search is painful

[near valley]

Im dead

[royal lantern]

me google drill sizes for thread cutting at work all the time

[balmy condor]

my grandma starts google searches with "hello, can you tell me"

[unreal bear]

she's so polite

[gusty mirage]

"Can a child who is out of status apply for a green card?"

the answer's no

I'll save you the search

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

bro this lady brought her kid over with her, I got her a green card

she never extended his visa

comes to me 3 years later

[gusty mirage]

wants to apply for a greencard for her kid

[unreal bear]

im a lawyer

[gusty mirage]

and I'm like

uhhhhhhhhhh

did you extend the visa?

"no"

oh okay

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

well better send his ass back

idk

[unreal bear]

better give him snacks on the plane

[near valley]

De-de-deported

[gusty mirage]

nah kids don't get deported

under 18 you're gucci

[near valley]

Oh pog

[gusty mirage]

you're not here illegally until you're 18

[earnest remnant]

what if

[gusty mirage]

you're just "out of status"

[balmy condor]

I identify as 12

[gusty mirage]

which means the same shit

[balmy condor]

mentally

[near valley]

Thought they just send them to ICE and bid them adios

[gusty mirage]

except ice isn't going to kick down your door

[earnest remnant]

lets say a soon to be 25 year old sneaks into the US to meet his fav Michigan guy and has no visa to be there

[near valley]

Yet

[unreal bear]

mentally im on the same level as my 3 year old, which is concerning

[gusty mirage]

I'll marry you to get you a green card dw

[balmy condor]

that's a vacation, you're good

[earnest remnant]

[earnest remnant]

but i wont leave

[gusty mirage]

yeah pretty sure denmark gets a visa on arrival

[oak tangle]

from what i know about america if you can sneak in to michigan you basically as far behind enemy lines as possible

[near valley]

U could do worse than a lawyer tbf

[unreal bear]

i now pronounce you stealth and oxi

[balmy condor]

that's a vacation, you're good

[gusty mirage]

we get married, file a i-130 and a i-485

and you're gucci

10-12 months you'll get your green card

[near valley]

Do u know what those terms mean?

[unreal bear]

yeah they're interstates

[near valley]

Or did u have to Google them

[royal lantern]

cant wait for the day where the discord chat gets leaked, Oxi is losing his job cus of it and shows up like "fuck, should have not told you abut that "

[gusty mirage]

i-130 is petition for an alien relative through blood or marriage

i-485 is a change of status form

40% of my work is immigration work

and it's filling out these fucking forms

I went to law school to do something anyone can do

AMA

[near valley]

What's the other 60%?

[unreal bear]

my friend failed the bar and is waiting on his result for his second attempt

[near valley]

Noice

[gusty mirage]

traffic tickets, actual lawsuits, landlord tenant shit

[unreal bear]

if he fails this one, idk what to tell him

[earnest remnant]

55% of my work is listen to people argue about money

[near valley]

Glamarous

[gusty mirage]

hillary failed twice and then became secretary of state

tell him to take it again

and to download Adaptibar

and pay for it

[unreal bear]

yeah thankfully we're in a state where there's no limit to attempts

[gusty mirage]

it's worth every penny

it's like $400

but it's actual previously used MBE questions

[near valley]

Do I have to go to law school to attempt the bar?

[gusty mirage]

depends on the state

[near valley]

Cause I feel google got my back

[gusty mirage]

california you do not

you have to take the little bar

and then the state bar

but the pass rate is like

14%

so gl

[earnest remnant]

my job is literally 55% listen to people whine 30% googling stuff 15% coffee drinking

[unreal bear]

that's just california's general graduation rate for anything

[near valley]

Accounting isn't as glamorous as this lawyer life I've just heard of

[gusty mirage]

bro I'd rather be an accountant

[gaunt moat]

@gusty mirage Is AI gonna replace lawyers

[gusty mirage]

yes and no

research attorneys are fucked

[royal lantern]

50% waiting for the metal to cool down, 20% welding and 30% toilet break lol

[gusty mirage]

so they better develop social skills asap

[near valley]

Research attorneys?

[gusty mirage]

ya

[royal lantern]

hahahhahahahahhaa

[gusty mirage]

the top 1% of every law school who are scared of public speaking

[unreal bear]

if your job is replaced by AI, just become a "Prompt Engineer"

[gusty mirage]

big law firms give them 6 figures and make them research shit

it's a pretty chill job tbh

[unreal bear]

they're paying people big money to learn how to effectively ask AI questions

[earnest remnant]

this was what i actually wanted to do

[gusty mirage]

bro

no shot

if I wasn't able to clown on other lawyers

I'd have killed myself

like 3 years ago

[near valley]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

this job is fucking terrible

it's my only respite

[near valley]

Job satisfaction 100%

[gusty mirage]

"You can't send a notice to quit and a demand for possession for non-payment at the same time."
"Show me the court rule or law that says I cannot do that"

[earnest remnant]

well working with M/A doesent give me alot of opportunities with that here

[gusty mirage]

"Well it says you must notify 30 days for a notice to quit, and 7 days for demand for possession"

"And I did that."

"Well that's not how it's done"

"Well, the judge accepted it. So it seems like this is exactly how it's done"

he hung up on me

I can't imagine why

mfer been a lawyer since 1976

lives in a trailer

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

the fuck outta here bro

mad I found out how to evict people during the covid mandates

[unreal bear]

your own property or on behalf of someone?

[near valley]

Probs the latter

[gusty mirage]

behalf of other people

I'm broke as fuck bro

[earnest remnant]

m/a is so fcking boring, i probably wont stay in this field

[gusty mirage]

I owe the feds $220k for my education

[unreal bear]

jesus christ

[near valley]

What's this student debt u speak of?

[gusty mirage]

@gray crest use your fed contacts to cut my student loans

pls and ty

[gaunt moat]

how long have you been practicing

[gusty mirage]

about to hit 5 years

I was once a young ambitious lawyer like @earnest remnant

now I'm just grumpy and lazy

[near valley]

The final evolution

[unreal bear]

did you qualify for any loan forgiveness

because they're totally gonna do it

[gusty mirage]

no sir

oh

for the $20k?

yeah

I was eligible

but some miserable asshole in texas sued

[near valley]

Noice

[gusty mirage]

guess we're waiting

OH WELL

[near valley]

Now only 200k left

[unreal bear]

even with 20k that doesnt put a sizeable dent in the total

sux

[gusty mirage]

I sure as fuck wasn't gonna pay it back before

now I'm for sure not

perks of running your own practice

and dealing with immigrants

they pay in cash

"Sorry I only made $10k last year"

"How do you afford to live?"

"I eat a lot of ramen noodles"

[unreal bear]

beans and rice sir

[earnest remnant]

im probably stopping with m/a by the end of this year and moving on to something else

[near valley]

Like full time rogue streamer?

[unreal bear]

you live like your least fortunate clients and charge them nothing

truly a beacon of light

[near valley]

Unfortunately i can't relate to ur American ways

[gusty mirage]

its okay, if this referral pays big money

and I can pay off my loans

I'm going to stop being a lawyer

imma go open up a sandwich shop or some shit

[earnest remnant]

based

[near valley]

Cuban sandwiches?

[gusty mirage]

bro any kind

I love sandwiches

honestly best invention in human history

[unreal bear]

cuban is the perfect sandwich to me

just everything about it

[near valley]

The Sandwhich Sommelier

The Cuban Conjurer

The Croque Composer

Damn now I want a sandwhich

[unreal bear]

is a torta considered a sandwich

[near valley]

I believe so yes

[unreal bear]

damn thats up there too

[oak tangle]

why do americans call chicken burgers sandwiches?

[unreal bear]

because burgers are beef pardner 🤠

[near valley]

popeyes burger doesn't have the same ring to it

[gaunt moat]

Why is it called an hamburger if it doesn't have ham

[gusty mirage]

do we?

[oak tangle]

the ones i've known did, i would talk to my US friends about KFC selling burgers and they were confused

[gusty mirage]

I'm pretty sure it has to do with the way the chicken is presented

[gaunt moat]

now you made me hungry. but it's saturday. so i get i'll starve for a day 🥲

[gusty mirage]

if it's a whole piece of a chicken

[near valley]

I believe its because the hamburger was an idea supposedly invented in Hamburg Germany

[gusty mirage]

it's a sandwich

if its ground into a patty

it's a chicken burger

I've seen both being used

[oak tangle]

at least for us in australia, sandwich vs burger is the bread

not hte meat

[gusty mirage]

like if you slapped a steak on a bun

it'd be a steak sandwich

vs ground beef

ya know

[near valley]

Just one of those things humans have evolved to just understand

[gusty mirage]

but if someone told me they got a chicken burger from kfc

I'd be like oh okay

I'd know what they're talking about

and I wouldn't be confused

but I also realize the world isn't america

[near valley]

Is a double decker a burger though?

[gusty mirage]

[near valley]

Or a sandwhich?

[gusty mirage]

does it have patties?

[near valley]

True

It's a sandwhich then

An abomination of a sandwhich

[gaunt moat]

Look it's pretty simple

[near valley]

Double Down ain't sold here in the UK and that depresses me

[obsidian beacon]

i reject that graph.

[near valley]

A chip butty

Fuck me

Most bland shit u could ever eat

[spice spire]

a burrito is absolutely a sandwich

[obsidian beacon]

words have meaning. if a sandwich can be anything, then nothing can be a sandwich.

[gaunt moat]

Why would it be called ice cream sandwich if it's not a sandwich @obsidian beacon

[near valley]

Pardon?

[obsidian beacon]

[void pecan]

Look look look

Look at the cube rule of food

[obsidian beacon]

that counts

[spice spire]

bread contains ingredients - tortilla counts

[void pecan]

that'll tell you all you need to know

[obsidian beacon]

@gaunt moat wait, i lied. its marketing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spice spire]

therefore burrito = sandwich

[gaunt moat]

too late

you said it counts

[spice spire]

I will not ever say that a poptart is a sandiwch

[obsidian beacon]

noooooo

the marketing is too strong

even for me

[void pecan]

Seriously, look up the cube rule of food. Solves all this discussion

[near valley]

[gaunt moat]

Sandwich is beginner stuff anyway.
The real question is what is SOUP.

[obsidian beacon]

@spice spire also likes to say things like "just to play devil's advocate.."

[spice spire]

no that's @marble hemlock

[earnest remnant]

melted ice cream is soup

[spice spire]

it's soup

[obsidian beacon]

melted ice cream is not soup.

melted ice cream is melted ice cream

[gaunt moat]

if you can put it in a bowl, it's soup

[earnest remnant]

nuh

[near valley]

What

[earnest remnant]

i agree with notter

[obsidian beacon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Ludo-Studio-chores-the-strange-kEiNfUGMXU8xYBU431

[spice spire]

you lost me here homie

[obsidian beacon]

if i put @gaunt moat in a bowl is notter soup

[gaunt moat]

yes, but i don't fit in a bowl

you have to melt me first

then i'll be soup

[earnest remnant]

bowl of cereal is a soup

[obsidian beacon]

well, what is a bowl? just something to put things in right

[unreal bear]

growing up means acknowledging wheat or whole grain bread as the superior bread

[obsidian beacon]

and your'e in your home or apt, so you're in a bowl

therefore soup

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

get out

[gaunt moat]

@obsidian beacon I mean, have you ever had soup with any type of meat?

[spice spire]

a burrito bowl is a soup?

[gaunt moat]

there's no difference

[spice spire]

OUTTA HERE

[unreal bear]

is chili soup

[earnest remnant]

what if im already outside?

[obsidian beacon]

great. notter = soup.

[spice spire]

stew but I'd say stews are a type of soup

[gaunt moat]

yes that's the most basic of soups

[gusty mirage]

come in, its snowing

you'll get sick

[balmy condor]

if you replace water with rice, a rice bowl is a soup

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

what about goldfish crackers with milk?