assassination

[vestal wren]

i am not even sure

to get inev you need to drop quite a bit of other talent nodes

[vast forum]

We'll see

[storm belfry]

Yeah it’s busted

[vast forum]

Depends if set symbols and on-use symbols extend eachother or overwrite

[vestal wren]

if you take swift you already get 20 sec every 25 sec of uptime by default

[vast forum]

You're assuming they extend eachother

[vestal wren]

even if they don't

[vast forum]

Which i'm hoping for but not holding my breath

[vestal wren]

but yes, i assume it extends

[vast forum]

Currently doesn't extend if you use dust and double sod

[storm belfry]

Nah. The tier is for flourish and VI. No shot they make both baseline or one baseline and then you can essentially talent into VI and then have both bonuses.

[royal lantern]

wont release like that, dont worry lol

hpriest set:"prayer of mending jumps to ~1more target, your 1min cs spell then heals ~10% more uwu"

rdruid: "2main heals heal 15% more, regrowth 75% more, flourish is now more or less 2x stronger xdddd"

the difference is so absurd

no way it releases like that

[storm belfry]

Yeah I know it won’t be released like that

[royal lantern]

the rdruid 2set is allready busted

[storm belfry]

If anything it’ll be 8 seconds or something

Yeah

Has rejuv healing for like 3k a tick almost

Also can have both flourish and tier set flourish bonus running at the same time

My class too good

[royal lantern]

i mean, its rdruid

blizz always makes sure rdruid is meta somewhere lmao

[storm belfry]

Idr last time I was meta

And can be “meta” but won’t be taken for WF KEKL

[royal lantern]

otherwhise all druid healers would notice they suck and just get hard carried by a overtuned spec that plays itself

[storm belfry]

Funny you say that cause most rdruids do suck

[royal lantern]

well duh

[storm belfry]

We are only meta now cause our damage. Which we could honestly do before but majority of them are bad

[royal lantern]

in m+, it legit plays itself

0effort to heal m+ as a druid

[storm belfry]

We had amazing damage in Slands not many knew

[royal lantern]

thats why its so popular lol

[storm belfry]

Nah you gotta know some stuff

It’s a proactive class. You will fail if you don’t prep

[royal lantern]

insane prep: put 2hots on people(instant cast while moving btw)

[storm belfry]

Can’t tell you how many times ppl ask about tempest boss and fail when that is an rdruids wet dream

[royal lantern]

tempest boss is legit just a healer braincheck

can they actually heal, or not

[storm belfry]

Yeah it’s an easy class to learn but hard to master. Like many others

Thing is it’s not man

You legit get carried by the boss

Just have 10 stacks that’s it

[royal lantern]

man

[storm belfry]

Only class that can have trouble even tho they are busted is evoker. And that’s just cause of range

[royal lantern]

you play healer yourself, you dont know the abyys that is random healers

[storm belfry]

I do

I play rogue and lock and I see the shit healers

I legit tell them what to do

I help ppl in DG everyday

[royal lantern]

doing a dungeon and the druid used tranq once, or the priest not doing decent lightweaving or the shaman never using SLT

fun

[storm belfry]

When they don’t even prep tranq

[gaunt moat]

Man, I feel like I'm gonna have to learn subtlety for next season, cause sin is a lot cause.
I never thought it'd come to that.

[subtle tundra]

ok mr doomer

[gaunt moat]

This tier set is garbage. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

[subtle tundra]

[west bolt]

You expect sub to be better with this set?

[solemn oracle]

^

[west bolt]

Cause sub set isnt that strong too

[gaunt moat]

its not about the numbers

[gray crest]

The next tier set should be slightly better than the current one

[oblique jackal]

Did they say anything about making CT Baseline?

bc i dont think the tier set will work for pvp

[gaunt moat]

no changes to talents were announced

[uncut echo]

Man, give them a minute

We have months

Until 10.1

Let's chill

[solemn oracle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[copper hazel]

in all likeliness, 10.1 is probably around mid may

so its not that far off

[spice spire]

Dooming in assassination

[gaunt moat]

you should see whispyr post on reddit 👀

[uncut echo]

Yeah, I have

You're allowed your anger and frustration

But brooding and wallowing is a bit overplayed

[subtle tundra]

I need whispyr reddit account to stalk him

Hehe

[spice spire]

Varas is a forum warrior I bet

[subtle tundra]

Yessir

[gray crest]

Whenever I have any sort of hope for humanity, I humble myself by reading the forums

[royal lantern]

link?

i want Entertainment

[spice spire]

Amen

Though you’re a fed idk how you have hope

[storm belfry]

To change topic and ask a noob question. Do you guys send CDs on pull w Crawth or hold til burn phase? I assume send on pull?

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

Pull seems to do slightly more. Depends on how many phases you need for him tbh

[marble hemlock]

Depends on thundering timer. If you plan on overlapping burn with thundering, then hold. But on tyrannical keys you kinda need to send on pull or the boss won't hit 75% before someone dies too the aoe

[storm belfry]

Yeah I’ve done both. But I couldn’t remember which felt like it was more. Lately just been sending on pull

Ty guys

[zealous urchin]

We boutta do big dick dps with the new tier sets 😎

[uncut echo]

True and real

[normal mist]

[next dune]

It's going to be the same as always. Don't know why people get all pumped up over tier sets. All of them will be buffed and nerfed like always

I just think its funny how everyone hated azerite gear so much, because ilvl wasn't always an upgrade. Meanwhile, that same person is now wearing raid finder gear, because ilvl isn't an upgrade. But here we go, another tier, and more sets lol

[spice spire]

Me playing sin despite the haters

[zealous urchin]

Assa rogues when they have to track 1 more bleed

[thorn fjord]

Morning sinners

[spice spire]

We’re tracking at least two at all times

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/sin-cardinal-begin-gif-13421535

[thorn fjord]

We dooming this morning?

[zealous urchin]

I am excited to try the new tiers

[ember mural]

Your loot snake is showing

[subtle tundra]

Buddy sets have been in the game long before azeritr

[next dune]

Buddy, I played since classic. I know this.

[subtle tundra]

Then why did you type that as if you started playing in bfa

[next dune]

Lol

[zealous urchin]

I played the alpha of vanilla I am better 🤓

[dense hamlet]

why does that opener look sus

[stiff frost]

Umm looks a little out of place lol

[royal lantern]

same my mate

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

It doesnt stop

[royal lantern]

fuck the haters, assa will win in the long run

just wait

[normal mist]

I believe the problem of using CT in st isn't the "keeping up with 3 bleeds" but the fact that it isn't funny to play like that

It just isn't enjoyable

[zealous urchin]

true

[timber meadow]

tierset look busted?

[willow eagle]

Next patch full on nature damage build for assa

[royal lantern]

not really its bad

[stiff frost]

I would rather play sin where I have to use my brain than outlaw where is hitting shinny buttons lol or sub spam 3 buttons

[royal lantern]

atleasz looks bad on first sight

[stiff frost]

Jk but I feel sin is more methodical

[normal mist]

Where does assa use a brain tho

XD

[timber meadow]

40% more dmg seems strong though, or why is it bad, those numbers seemed large

[gray crest]

It's 40% damage outside of your cds

[zealous urchin]

Oh no I have to click CT instead of Envenom now and then 😭😭

[subtle tundra]

The numbers don't matter

[royal lantern]

40% more NATURE dmg AFTER your high dmg window is over @timber meadow

thats weapon poisons and envenom only btw

[subtle tundra]

It's the effect you look at

[normal mist]

In theory rupture and CT will also apply to that bonus DMG right?

The 2set

[thorn fjord]

Ct in st is not fun

[royal lantern]

somewhat ye, but thats not much dmg

[thorn fjord]

But silver lining

[normal mist]

33% yeah, isn't much if we are speccing into nature dmg and not bleed dmg

[thorn fjord]

Atleast we won’t have to take mfd

[craggy oak]

Gunna make you all super mad with a based take

[normal mist]

We already are

[craggy oak]

Ct st with 20 sec exang with overhang was bis

[thorn fjord]

I’ve got my gif ready

https://tenor.com/view/horse-dead-beating-gif-9285411

[hollow river]

[normal mist]

[hollow river]

That was one of the worst play styles I’ve ever seen thus far

[craggy oak]

And memes aside, i stand by that, it might be a club of 1, but it was the best club

[craggy oak]

Man i just loved it idk

[zealous urchin]

We legit get 33% more dmg on CT and Rupture and 40% more nature dmg after deathmark for 30 fking sec, shit looks fun as hell

[hollow river]

It was fun at first, the added skill expression was nice

But it fell off in the fun section very quickly

I’m not trying to doom here, but 40% nature dmg after DM is incredibly passive and not as big as it sounds

[royal lantern]

personal opinions are opinions, i respect that

[hollow river]

If it brings kingsbane back into the lead/viability I’d be happy at least

[subtle tundra]

Lol

[hollow river]

[royal lantern]

you realise that nature dmg is not 90% of our dmg right

the 40% nature dmg translates into "4-5% more dmg after dm kekw"

[zealous urchin]

Dont forget that it wil probably increase the nature damage rupture and CT gets too by 40%

[trail tree]

that probably wont be all that much damage realistically

[royal lantern]

^

[storm belfry]

Gm king

[royal lantern]

like, how much dmg do you guys think rupture is doing lol

[subtle tundra]

ALL

[zealous urchin]

Enough dmg where you have to keep it up

[willow eagle]

It's the arterial precisions patch!

[subtle tundra]

Lol

[craggy oak]

Now then, that is a cursed talent

[hollow chasm]

I hate Deathmark I hate Deathmark I hate Deathmark

I can't believe I miss Vendetta

[trail tree]

i like deathmark, i hate what they're doing to it

vendetta was better tho big agree

[thorn fjord]

A ton… when you play sub 👿

[gray crest]

sin Rupture doesn't even do more damage than sub rogues rupture lmao

[royal lantern]

DM is litearlly vendetta with fancy words lol

idk the problem you have there

[hollow chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[subtle tundra]

Wat

[thorn fjord]

Looks like meats back on the menu boys

[subtle tundra]

I love meat

[hollow chasm]

it's completely different, and the exsang interaction is just cringe

[royal lantern]

how is it different, it litearrly fills the same role vendetta had

exsang is exsang, the problem is exsang in that case, not dm lol

[subtle tundra]

It won't be with the tier set

Sign me up

Make exsang 2min 50%

Please

[next dune]

Make exang aoe

Yeah, I said that

[timber meadow]

yeah but 40% is pretty significant no? even if dmg outside cd's is meh 40% on top of meh dmg is potentially quite strong still

[hollow chasm]

with 3 min CD, it would still be cringe on aoe

[royal lantern]

40% NATURE dmg

not 40% dmg

[timber meadow]

ye so its literally just envenom and poison

[royal lantern]

check how much of your dmg overall is nature dmg

[thorn fjord]

How about them big BTE casts tho

👀

[timber meadow]

bout 40%

[gray crest]

I genuinely don't know how to properly convey to you that this isn't as good as you think it is if this is your response

[thorn fjord]

It should be an easy transition… all the CE rogues were playing mostly sub on raz and the sub set it poggers… so naturally we just main sub next tier

[timber meadow]

thats fine

[subtle tundra]

40% of 40% for 25%

Great

[storm belfry]

No

Funny enough I was toying with sub last night on some dummies before bed

[gray crest]

Don't forget to take the % of the damage you do during that window

[thorn fjord]

I’m liking the OL tier tbh… I think it might end up being pretty cool

[subtle tundra]

Once again I will play whatever the fuck I want in prog

[thorn fjord]

Like the king you are Varas

[gray crest]

OL set is boring but good

[subtle tundra]

I fucking hate incline bench press

Fuck fuck fuck

[thorn fjord]

I don’t think it’s super boring

[storm belfry]

I was told I can play whatever w the new guild I joined. They trust me to swap from heals to dps

[gray crest]

It adds no gameplay change and it is essentially flat damage

[thorn fjord]

Should help with st

[silk bane]

I think it's more like 7-8%! Every 2 minutes u get 30 seconds of that! So roughly 2% at best. Just massive def doesn't make me wanna reroll great stuff

[subtle tundra]

Hey its more in aoe, rigggght?

[timber meadow]

25% seems good? or is 25% bad compared to other sets

[subtle tundra]

I can't do math

[silk bane]

It's specifically a damage increase to outside of your cd/pot on use trinkets.

[timber meadow]

correct

[normal mist]

Do we know if the s1 set will become "legacy" when we transition to S2?

[timber meadow]

your dmg outside cd's is about 40% nature dmg

[zealous urchin]

Its more like 16%

[timber meadow]

so prob like a 15% increase

yeah

[subtle tundra]

Fart

[timber meadow]

to st

which seems good?

[silk bane]

Look at your graph now what do u sustain without CDs? Not much, not bad but not much.

[timber meadow]

but maybe other sets are just insane and thats why everyone is dooming

[zealous urchin]

Other sets arent insane lol

[timber meadow]

im thinkings it prob nets out to about 15% st increase

which seems crazy

[zealous urchin]

Look at wowhead comments everyone doomin lol

[fallow canopy]

Personally I think I'm too dumb to know if its going to be good or bad but it feels weird design wise

[gray crest]

A lot of other sets are dogshit

[thorn fjord]

I’m dumb as fuck and I know this shit is a cap

[silk bane]

Its like a 4% increase to your damage outside of cooldowns not terrible but not very good either Imo. Could potentially.introduxe Giga degen playstyles. Idk though maybe with rupture and CT also doing mature damage and generally more damage it ends up being decent and we end up.having a more or less flat ish damage curve who knows

[timber meadow]

hoiw you do this math? like 40%-ish if your dmg is nature

and its a 40% boost on that

[spice surge]

The 40% boost isnt up constantly

[fallow canopy]

its just 30 seconds tho

[timber meadow]

fair enough

[uncut echo]

Maybe refrain from running numbers if you're unsure of how the set works in actuality

So people don't instajump on you

[zealous urchin]

Dont forget that the rupture and CT also do 33% more as nature dmg so you can potentially refresh that at the end of the 30 sec

[silk bane]

^ 40% increase on 40% of your damage is 16% with an uptime of 30 seconds every 2 minutes It becomes 16% x 0.25 = 4...

[subtle tundra]

Bruv it won't snap

[silk bane]

We don't have snapshot mechanics anymore

[zealous urchin]

Wait

Forreal

[uncut echo]

Me to the sin channel rn

https://tenor.com/view/head-pat-gif-24999880

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/beat-dead-horse-beat-a-dead-horse-metaphor-gif-17347367

[gray crest]

40% of your damage being nature is highballing it

[zealous urchin]

I thought it always did

Fuck me

[subtle tundra]

Imagine if it snapshotted LOL

Couldn't get more degenerate

[uncut echo]

I'm giving all of you soothing headpats rn

[zealous urchin]

Nah cmon man

[silk bane]

Yeah I'm thinking.its probably even less. Because if you're running double shiv you're gonna try and get both of them in DM window maybe? Or not shiv anly.once.in DM.window? Man what a cluster fuck

[thorn fjord]

I want cinnamon rolls or French toast

[uncut echo]

Zero chance you run double shiv.

[silk bane]

Idk about that!

[uncut echo]

Nah, I do

There's absolutely zero chance

[gray crest]

Yeah you don't run double shiv lmao

[uncut echo]

That's objectively bad and antithetical to the logic shiv uses currently

Sorry honey :(

[silk bane]

How would u know? Maybe with extra nature damage from CT and rupture it might be worth it! Maybe u drop all poison nodes from.now and take.shiv.

[uncut echo]

No.

[gray crest]

Double shiv only gives one extra shiv during your first death mark

[uncut echo]

^

[gray crest]

Nothing else

[silk bane]

U can't know that! Like poisons are gonna be what 20% weaker next tier since lose our tier set

[thorn fjord]

But what if they buff KB and make rupture tick nature damage and Jesus Christ gets resurrected a second time and buffs out poison bomb damage?

[uncut echo]

@silk bane read this

And report back to me

[silk bane]

I know I read that.

[uncut echo]

Okay

[subtle tundra]

If you hold...

[gray crest]

Probably solved then

[uncut echo]

So how in the world will double shiv for thr first 16 seconds do anything

[uncut echo]

HOLD THE DOOR

[zealous urchin]

Double shiv would only work if you ovdrflow with energy and it actually recharges

[uncut echo]

No, it wouldnt work then

Half of shiv is getting the cranked up applications of your poisons

[zealous urchin]

If other buttons are important to press more than you wont use shiv on cd

[uncut echo]

And envenoms hitting harder than a truck

[thorn fjord]

Think it’s hitting more like a small crossover

[zealous urchin]

But you gonna prsss shiv every time anyway so double shiv is dogshit

[thorn fjord]

Still bigger than a sedan tho

I remember just holding shiv for KB

Good times

[tawny badger]

does assassination gain value on tyrannical week since it has the highest boss dps? or do you trade too much aoe to make it worth

[uncut echo]

There it is

[uncut echo]

No

[royal lantern]

remember that 40% of your dmg is nature dmg INCLUDING DM, and DM doubles your nature dmg cus 2x poison and 2x amp poison envenoms

and thats not a thing after DM

🙂

[uncut echo]

Trash is still infinitely more important

[royal lantern]

tyrannical week just means you pull more trash at once

aoe is always king in m+

[thorn fjord]

But if it’s doubled wouldn’t that make it 80%?!

[tawny badger]

so you would either play sub or failing that, still take the FoK, CT and IC vs the more ST raid build

[royal lantern]

sub does everything better than assa rn

[thorn fjord]

Pog

@royal lantern sub main now right?

RIGHT?!

[uncut echo]

I play sin in raid, and sub in keys.

[royal lantern]

if you wanna play assa, you always just go the normal m+ build,no matter the week

[thorn fjord]

I know @uncut echo is after her fat council parse

[uncut echo]

After?

I got it!

[craggy oak]

Never play raid build in keys as sin, play the m+build and be sad

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smell-taste-hell-no-gif-15063436

[uncut echo]

Oh

I'm dumb

Yeah I'm goated with the sauce

[thorn fjord]

I’m just bad at sub for whatever reason.. that or it’s not having ring but our sub out dps most of the time

Not by much but he’s still higher

[misty holly]

Crap, somehow I managed to get too much critical strike. Stat Weights are telling me crit is my worst stat in patchwerk and just barely above haste in dungeon slice.

Time to regem I guess.

[bleak sky]

STAT WEIGHT

[uncut echo]

The gain is so infintesimally small

[bleak sky]

POGGERSSSS

[uncut echo]

I'd suggest not

[bleak sky]

[gray crest]

Brother, I played demo lock in nyalotha and had so much haste that the stat weight sim said that haste stat weight was negative for me

Ignore stat weight sims

[uncut echo]

Yeah

[misty holly]

Stat weight seems useful at least for deciding on enchants and gems

[spice spire]

Star weights

[uncut echo]

Sim individual pieces

[uncut echo]

No

[spice spire]

Top gear

[thorn fjord]

It ain’t

[low girder]

That's what top gear is for

[uncut echo]

Sim the upgrade

And top gear

[spice spire]

Top gear is the goat

[royal lantern]

no, use topgear, thats its purpose

[trail tree]

just sim all enchants and gems

[uncut echo]

Directly compares the pieces

[trail tree]

thats what i do, cba having to use my brain

[royal lantern]

i mean, yes

[slim hamlet]

So we still coping for exsang deletion in 10.1?

[royal lantern]

thats the best thing you can do lol

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-gif-22980190

[royal lantern]

you know, i wonder why its still a thing when raidbots themself says "dont use it"

like, just remove the option

[low girder]

Idk man

[subtle tundra]

Buddy assa does like 5k more dps on 2t than sub

[uncut echo]

To ruin my day

[royal lantern]

THE BIG 2 TARGET SITUATION

and how much is outlaw?

[slim hamlet]

Isnt 2 target the only bad one for sub tho?

[subtle tundra]

That's why I said

[uncut echo]

Lmao.

[trail tree]

something something sub more rupture damage

[uncut echo]

God stop

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[trail tree]

you're also depressed cause assa sucks? me too :c

[uncut echo]

Nope, I'm fine

[brazen zodiac]

but it doesnt

💃

[uncut echo]

It's completely fine

It's a little weak, but entirely playable

If you're not outputting the numbers to be relevant on assassination (and not progging mythic rasz bc the spec is dead on that fight) you're playing wrong

[brazen zodiac]

i cant wait to play sin on raz prog

💃

[uncut echo]

Pop off, ily

I will be too, until we hit consistent intermission :)

[trail tree]

we are progging raza and im playing assa on it

[uncut echo]

Okay

That's really awesome

Spec doesn't suck though.

[trail tree]

yeah its playable and fine honestly

even on raza its alright

[uncut echo]

Okay

[uncut echo]

Huh?

[trail tree]

more cause rupture sucks compared to sub rupture

[uncut echo]

Did you say this to just start shit then?

[signal badger]

Tbh sin isn’t that bad on ras

[trail tree]

yes

[uncut echo]

That's kinda lame

It'd be cooler if you didn't do that

[hardy dagger]

You will probably top boss dmg but then again it's kinda whatever as p1 intermission is the only hard part of the fight now

[trail tree]

[uncut echo]

No, it isn't. It's just harder to justify when you have the ability to play the single best spec in the game on the hardest prog fight.

[trail tree]

I'll do better than Lasse anyway

not hard tbh when he's perma drunk

[hardy dagger]

Oof

It's been rough ig since mdas disband huh?

[trail tree]

yeah he even transferred to ragnaros

[carmine dawn]

It wholly depends on your comp

[gusty mirage]

no, you're dooming yourself calling yourself washed 😠

[ebon notch]

he's saying he showered

[carmine dawn]

But it’s a weird scenario where your raid comp has too much aoe dmg for intermission and needs the extra 5-10k dps from assa

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/that-makes-sense-hubie-dubois-hubie-halloween-i-understand-i-get-that-gif-18744292

[uncut echo]

That is true. But for most first time P1 intermission enjoyers, they'll ask you to play sub.

[limber lion]

idk man

[signal badger]

Agree with comp, I’ve been out solo rogue on prog for most of it since we didn’t need aoe as much and I love sin

[gusty mirage]

bro you could not play wow for 6 months and still do better than 80% of the playerbase cmon now

[limber lion]

I haven't touched the game in weeks

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

the p3 damage

[carmine dawn]

If you’re solo then you’re playing sub yeah

[ebon notch]

was so good

for us

[signal badger]

Nope playing sin 🙂

[limber lion]

Maybe, that's the beauty of playing one spec that never changes and has been the same thing for 15 years

[gusty mirage]

new sub is kind of refreshing

[carmine dawn]

I guess with the nerfs now it doesn’t matter

[gusty mirage]

ngl

[limber lion]

Not refreshing enough to make me stay

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

True

[gusty mirage]

got a p3 pull last night, so good chance this boss dies this week

[ebon notch]

all i can do is try and make ceverion proud

[gusty mirage]

freeeeeeedom

[limber lion]

I'm a big fan of Secret Tech for sure

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

big shoes to fill

[limber lion]

[uncut echo]

[uncut echo]

New sub has a single complaint from me, no find weakness on Shadowstrike

[limber lion]

nah bro my shoes are pretty average size

[uncut echo]

That's kind of it

And obv the damage talent bugs

And long arms bug

But the spec plays great

[gusty mirage]

and the fact that 1/3 of their tree is useless

[safe barn]

[uncut echo]

[limber lion]

I'm not a fan of it in single target personally

[uncut echo]

I like it in ST a lot

I prefer sin but ST sub is v fun with first dance

[limber lion]

I like the Assa gameplay loop much more than sub in st

but that's just me

[uncut echo]

Same

100%

[gusty mirage]

I do too

just wish assassination did more damage

the effort into performance ratio just isn't there

[uncut echo]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

esp when you realize you can just play a BM hunter and press 2 buttons and do 15k more dps

[limber lion]

I wish the things that we could minmax on the spec actually mattered

[gusty mirage]

while moving

lol

[limber lion]

But I'm pretty alone on that thought

[gusty mirage]

you're not

[limber lion]

I'm a big advocate for skill expression

[gusty mirage]

I tested out the recommended opener

vs the one I've been doing

and legit

nothing significant

[limber lion]

It's the same shit

[gusty mirage]

you could legit fumble the entire opener

[limber lion]

Perfect Shiv windows, perfect usage of resources and cp

[uncut echo]

Bring back s2m priest

[limber lion]

nothing matters

[gusty mirage]

and barely lose dps

[limber lion]

just slam buttons

exsang dm

who cares

[uncut echo]

That was peak skill expression

Honestly

[gusty mirage]

ya it's super depresso

[ebon notch]

idk the sub gameplay loop is very satisfying imo

i love phat crits

and we dont rly have that as assa

[uncut echo]

Titanic sectechs

[limber lion]

That's why I enjoyed the 4p of Sepulcher

[gusty mirage]

I mean I've crit some fatty envenoms for 130k-140k

[uncut echo]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-these-telepurte-gif-22718714

[limber lion]

I reap the benefits while everyone else complains how shit it is

[gusty mirage]

ngl, I'd kill to have it back and you know how much I hated it

[ebon notch]

same in opener

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[ebon notch]

got a 200k one recently

[signal badger]

When I hit a 300k envenom on the opener I nut a bit

[ebon notch]

but its only in opener

ykno

[limber lion]

Yeh it's just way too stale and boring atm man

[gusty mirage]

it really hit me on broodkeeper

[limber lion]

Progging 4 hours on a boss is just SO giga sleeper

[gusty mirage]

when I was stuck to the boss

[uncut echo]

Sectech hitting for 500k is nice tho

[limber lion]

Brood is the worst

[gusty mirage]

and legit just falling asleep

[limber lion]

Yeah same

I was legit having a fine time on prog

until brood

that shit destroyed me

[ebon notch]

i got to do a rekill on brood playing adds

that was so much fun

[limber lion]

as assa?

[ebon notch]

ye

[limber lion]

monkas

[signal badger]

Brood was target dummy, someone messes up egg, repeat.

[ebon notch]

nono was by choice

[limber lion]

did you get r2

[ebon notch]

it was actually fun

yes unfortunately

we had 9 PEOPLE DIE

[limber lion]

so more time in execute

[ebon notch]

longest boss fight in the history of the fucking world

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

yeah bro was sick

[uncut echo]

Laaaarge execute

[signal badger]

What changes would you wanna see to change this?

Cause I agree a higher skill ceiling is needed, right now it feels that if you can do the basic rotation parsing is based on gear.

[gusty mirage]

I just feel like there's a lack of skill expression in the current way assassination plays

because legit you have to try super hard to do terrible damage

[limber lion]

Something that promotes alertness and minmaxing. Stuff like maintaining Elaborate Planning/Envenom/Alacrity buffs, pooling, Shiv windows, borrowed power changing rotation and so on. Like currently you do not care about Shiv windows, you just press it on cooldown. You don't care about EP/Envenom/Alacrity buffs, they just happen on their own and you don't play around them at all. All the borrowed power we have is just a passive extra on top of everything which doesn't change the rotation at all.

You literally slam everything on cooldown and that's it.

Amp Poison introduces higher Envenom hits and a stacking mechanic

we don't look at the stacks at all, it just happens passively

again

just like everything else in the kit

[gusty mirage]

I was once upon a time hyped for indiscriminate carnage in m+ and all that ended up being was a pretty meh version of blade flurry that took some thinking out of the aoe rotation

like I'm still pro IC, but I wish there was more you could do with it

@limber lion I think losing kingsbane really highlighted how boring assassination's rotation is

because at least with KB you had something you had to actively track

there was a bit of wiggle room for optimizing shiv w/ it

[limber lion]

Absolutely

[signal badger]

Hard agree, KB was fun

[limber lion]

That's why I loved Kingsbane, it actively changed how we played our rotation

We had to track different things in different ways, make sure to have Envenom up and running before slamming Kingsbane, making sure to always have 2 Shiv ready, making sure to use the Shiv's back to back without letting it drop and so on

Forgetting about the second Shiv would be a big loss in dps, not having Envenom up asap was a loss as well

Stuff like that is good

Stuff like DTB is bad

[gusty mirage]

ya keeps things from getting stale

[cedar silo]

does anyone feel like the tier set is going to push sin out of the meta

[limber lion]

Literally everything in our kit is either passive or something you slam on cooldown without thought

[gusty mirage]

I mean tbh sin is barely in the meta now

[limber lion]

Even more so if you don't play Exsang/Puzzle Box

Which we likely won't in 10.1

[uncut echo]

Perfect opporunity to put kb where dm is now.

[signal badger]

Thanks for the insight, I agree with a lot of it, spec kinda plays itself right now as long as you keep bleeds up

[uncut echo]

Kb + dtb would put us in a competitive spot for ST

[subtle tundra]

wednesdays are so weird

they can be 50/50

[uncut echo]

And bake dm into the kit

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

damn

[gusty mirage]

shit vault?

[cedar silo]

i mean i get we arent crazy meta

but idk a dmg amp after our main cd

[subtle tundra]

i cant get a bad vault

[cedar silo]

and using tempest in single target

feels horrendous

[subtle tundra]

i only need sockets

[uncut echo]

I personally love DTB. I think it's incredibly flavorful to assassination.

[gusty mirage]

we don't know if we'll use CT in ST yet or not

it comes down the numbers really

[limber lion]

Is it?

It doesn't change anything in the spec or the rotation

Like, at all

[uncut echo]

No, flavor

[limber lion]

Sure

[uncut echo]

Nothing to do with play

[cedar silo]

why couldnt it be like garrote

[limber lion]

Would something that adds a 3rd poison be flavorful as well

[uncut echo]

No we have 2 daggers :3

[limber lion]

Why is having 4 poisons more flavorful than having 2 poisons

[gusty mirage]

because they're desperately trying anything to make assassination aoe viable

[uncut echo]

Lmao

[limber lion]

Exactly

So 2 poisons

But with DTB you use 4

[uncut echo]

[limber lion]

one poison for each dagger

[gusty mirage]

which is why we lost kingsbane in the first place

[subtle tundra]

you apply twice the poisons

flavour

[gusty mirage]

AP was 100% a move to try to make assa aoe better

[cedar silo]

make carnage have the same effect that shadow technique and blade flurry have

thats all they need to do

make the cd drop per combo point spent

every other spec has something that makes the aoe viable thats all they need to do

[gray crest]

Trying to making aoe viable without addressing the reason sin aoe isn't viable? Nah blizz would never

[subtle tundra]

a capstone cant get any more boring than dtb

[gusty mirage]

that would be awful tbh

[ebon notch]

just turn IC into actual blade flurry but it works with dots

i wanna envenom 8 targets

[gusty mirage]

I don't want assassination to play like outlaw or sub

[subtle tundra]

you know what

[gusty mirage]

I want assassination to play like assassination

[subtle tundra]

give me toggle bladeflurry

[uncut echo]

Kingsbane down to dms location, dm baked in baseline

Ez fix

[gusty mirage]

won't happen

[cedar silo]

how would lowering the cd on carnage by using combo points be horrible when secret tech and blade flurry work that way?

[subtle tundra]

kb and dtb moment

[uncut echo]

Idgaf if it won't happen, it'd fix the spec tho

[gusty mirage]

they will not make assassination the only spec in the game that gets its major CD by existing

[storm belfry]

I wish IC had 2 charges

[cedar silo]

it would honestly address the major aoe problem

[limber lion]

In a world where DTB and Kingsbane live, it's not gonna happen.

[gusty mirage]

because what does CDR do for IC

[limber lion]

Imagine DTB + Deathmark + 2p/4p tierset + AP + Double Shiv

monkas

[gusty mirage]

you already have it up for pretty much every pack in m+

[subtle tundra]

omg dtb making our tree actively worse by existing?!?

[uncut echo]

That sounds lke a great time

:)

[cedar silo]

means you can use it on every pack in m+ mainly and im sure if the cd drops like secret tech does you can carnage multiple packs

[gusty mirage]

it's like we were all concerned about that

[gusty mirage]

you can use it in every pack now though?

[cedar silo]

multiple times in a pack *

[gusty mirage]

problem with that

[cedar silo]

sorry worded that weird

[gusty mirage]

is you'd override imp garrotes

[ebon notch]

i still think spending combo points should extend our existing dots

[uncut echo]

I'm not a game designer. I don't give the best ideas. I've got a few to fix it in M+ but it isn't my job

[ebon notch]

would be fuckin sick

[gusty mirage]

so multiple uses wouldn't solve anything

[uncut echo]

This right here

[limber lion]

Buff VW back to it's original value and remove DTB

It's time

[storm belfry]

Why don’t we have cdr tho

[cedar silo]

honestly thats true

fuck

[gusty mirage]

they need to cut back the energy gain in general though

tbh

[ebon notch]

fuck it give us something like meta

we become "ultimate rogue"

[gusty mirage]

assassination being 54apm in the first tier is fucking weird

[cedar silo]

maybe if they did that and made carnage always provide a stealth garrote it would be ok but i see the issue

[ebon notch]

for X seconds

and we extend it by poisoning things

[subtle tundra]

what if we drink our own poisons

[ebon notch]

we also gain 20 yard range

[subtle tundra]

and become super sayian

[storm belfry]

Okay now we are wandering off lmao

[gusty mirage]

the problem with never having empty globals is that you can't make the abilities hit harder because melee doesn't have a cast time

[subtle tundra]

in game of course

[uncut echo]

My take if you give a shit is to make our aoe finisher malefic rapture for SIN, doing damage to targets based on dots on the target, that only gets used in 3+ bc of scent of blood stacks. Name thst exsanguinate, and rework current exsang to be a 15% haste node for bleeds, like circle of life and death for druids.

[gusty mirage]

weird take given every aff lock in the universe fucking despises rapture

[ebon notch]

idk there are so many cool options

but most of the wacky ones had to be tested during beta

where it didnt matter

but they didnt

[uncut echo]

Bc they dont generate cp like we do

We can spam it

They cant

[ebon notch]

gimme a talent where all the damage we deal in aoe funnels into our deathmark target while its up

[storm belfry]

Yeah its terrible for aff. A terrible feeling

[gusty mirage]

won't happen

[ebon notch]

but it doesnt duplicate or smth

and its X% of our aoe ofc

[ebon notch]

I KNOW

[uncut echo]

Again, bc soul shards are so slow to comr by

[gusty mirage]

they literally destroyed sub rogue in bfa because it had that sort of funnel mechanic

sub rogue after zul was dead

for the entire expac

[uncut echo]

It'd feel great as fuck if you got soul shards at half the rate rogue got cp

[cedar silo]

they should give us a little poison bomb thats a skill shot like cap totem that will extend the bleeds/poisens on targets for 15 mroe seconds that can honestly make the carnage a little bit better and you still use every pack / every other pack

so you keep dmg and nto the silence

[lapis venture]

Hello friends, im new at looking to sims and min/max gear. i try'd to get the "right" stats and enchants and all that fluff - and did some Heroic bosses with the !details Addon. When i use raidbots and use a patchwerk fight and run a quick sim it tells me that i should have 55.600 DPS. And at the Boss Terros i had 51.300 DPS. so my question now is - how can i see what i did wrong? how do i reach more DPS? i have found that someone made a log at warcraftlogs where i can see my fight there. how can i analyse it now?

[ebon notch]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[uncut echo]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[ebon notch]

go there

[ebon notch]

get fucked

[uncut echo]

:(

[cedar silo]

@lapis venture what trinket do you use ?

[thorn fjord]

Meow

Wtf

[cedar silo]

if its grief torch the sim will more than likely not become the same as live

[thorn fjord]

My phone auto corrected wow to meow

[gusty mirage]

lol

[lapis venture]

manic grieftorch and Storm-Eaters Boom

[ebon notch]

is it because ahri is a catgirl

[thorn fjord]

Prob

[cedar silo]

grief torch is prob why

[craggy oak]

I feel we doom on sin aoe i bit wrong, the aoe is actually there, in a m+ environment, providing the key is high enough, not meta spec level but good enough, sure we lack burst aoe, but we a bleed spec, and a plaster fix is to shift some of ct dmg into the initial hit, the bigger issue is not beig able to spec into aoe without ST taking a huge smack no?

Now if we are happy how our aoe is done is a separate issue

[lapis venture]

holy moly that wowanalyzer is very indetail

[thorn fjord]

Yeah they did a good job with WA

[storm belfry]

TIL dieslow is secretly a cat

[fiery fox]

Hey, guy. I just decided to return to wow after a good 3y break, should I go Assassination or Sub? I plan to do mostly PVP when i hit max level. I'm having mixed feeling currently

[signal badger]

Our key damage is fine, not meta just fine, issue is that it’s feels like shit to play. IC on a 45 second means the pack better die in 30 or else rupture falls off and you have to choose to redot or finish off the pack.

[cedar silo]

@fiery fox try the pvp channel

most likely sub

[thorn fjord]

Sin for pvp

But yeah check with #pvp

[hollow river]

Both are fine

[craggy oak]

Dot spec having to re apply, dont see the issue

[hollow river]

Play whatever you enjoy

[cedar silo]

sub in pvp is alot easier imo

[fiery fox]

oops, sorry.

[signal badger]

Tab target dot, repeat for 10 seconds does not feel good and is not interactive gameplay.

[thorn fjord]

Sim was busted but I forgot about the nerfs

Sin*

[storm belfry]

Sin still good in pvp. Just rot em down

[cedar silo]

yea when sin was busted id say sin

[storm belfry]

Honestly OL is a blast and is good in pvp

[cedar silo]

now idk they both are fine i feel like sub is easier plays tyle cause people love a good stun spec in pvp

[storm belfry]

Can’t really go wrong w either of the three specs in pvp

[subtle tundra]

then dont play a dot spec

LOL

[craggy oak]

I meen, this is just not what you do though

[subtle tundra]

i dont like dotting so blizz should change the spec

[ebon notch]

deep breath varas

[slow marsh]

^

[thorn fjord]

I don’t like standing in melee… ranged rogue spec plz

[storm belfry]

I still think it would be nice if IC had two charges or some cdr

[subtle tundra]

what why

[storm belfry]

Yo true. Just firing poison shit

[signal badger]

Depends on how much health the pack has left, sometimes it’s correct to energy starve and finish it off, sometimes it’s correct to redot 3 targets to keep regen going

[storm belfry]

Actually probably just another bow and Arrow user

[subtle tundra]

all i've done today is humour myself at people who dont understand the spec

[thorn fjord]

What if they gave us cdr like the other two specs?

Would that break sin?

[craggy oak]

Exactly, 3

Imagine a dot spec having to reaply 3 dots

[storm belfry]

I mean I don’t understand why we don’t but the others do @thorn fjord

[craggy oak]

The terror

[cedar silo]

i was just mentioning this before

[slow marsh]

1. why. 2. what would you put it on. 3. they did it in sofo kind of and a lot of people hated it

[proven jasper]

They should tie ic to crimson tempest or somerhing

[cedar silo]

about how they can add a cdr like secret technique or restless blades mechanic to carnage and it would fix the aoe

[proven jasper]

yes

[slow marsh]

Carnage doesn't fix aoe

[subtle tundra]

reading this chat

[slow marsh]

I hope you realize

[subtle tundra]

holy

[slow marsh]

Yeah I'm with you varas

like

[proven jasper]

Either way it feels like cheeks to play the spec

[storm belfry]

DM? Idk

[proven jasper]

Do fucking something

[thorn fjord]

I’m just joining in 🤣

[slow marsh]

They are

[cedar silo]

yea i believe after thinking about carnage will not fix the aoe cause of how stealth garrote works

[slow marsh]

They're buffing rupture and CT

[signal badger]

My point is that our damage is pisspoor at that point while others get blade flurry or black powder. We get to fish for PB procs or spam ct depending on size. Feels like we need something there

[slow marsh]

We get another bandaid instead of real fixes ( could still come in notes but nothing yet)

[thorn fjord]

Our dmg isn’t piss ooor though

[thorn fjord]

Sub angle

[slow marsh]

I'm not gonna lie at first glance at the tier bonus I was like wut this sucks. But it's entirely based on all the complaints about our lack of aoe and the tier bonus is directly geared towards that

[strange python]

That's dumb though

[cedar silo]

i dont think the dmg is piss poor either . i also think itsd ludacris to ever think sin aoe should be on same scale as sub based off on how subs profile is supposed to play

[strange python]

Fixing AoE through a tier set is stupid.

[slow marsh]

I agree

But that's what we get

I guess

More bandaids for the bandaid spec

again, still no patch notes for rogue changes so stuff could change but for now that's what it looks like

[strange python]

It would have to be the most powerful tier set ever implemented to make sin competitive on AoE, and we're not getting a ST focused set as an ST spec as a result.

[thorn fjord]

Still no pb on rupture

Bring it back!

[cedar silo]

sub is a funnel spec so mass aoe just makes it so much stronger and you just cant hope to compete with a funnel spec in that regard i feel like

[proven jasper]

My question is who is asking to make sin compete with sub

[slow marsh]

Bro

[thorn fjord]

Nobody

[proven jasper]

doesnt everyone just want sin to be best melee ST LMAO

[sweet dawn]

Sin is a funnel spec aswell, no?

[proven jasper]

cuz like

[cedar silo]

sin is not funnel

[slow marsh]

If you sit in here for 2 seconds you'll realize people are just dumb and don't know what they want

[proven jasper]

sin is definitely not funnel

😐

[thorn fjord]

I just want ce

[sweet dawn]

I just woke up, brain no worky so good

[storm belfry]

I just hate losing so much ST in M+

[subtle tundra]

huh
i want to play assa in m+

i've been wanting to play it and not feel bad since bfa s2

[cedar silo]

i wonder if the new tier set would make sepsis viable tbh

considering the nature dmg bonus we get after DM

[slow marsh]

That would be so cursed I love it

But no

[signal badger]

Could be cool but also would be weird to wait 20 seconds to slam it

[cedar silo]

someone mentioned before it would be cool to think about what to use in the rotation rather than spamming things on CD

that essentially is doing that lol

[subtle tundra]

every time i pushed as assa i thought i was gimping myself, i want a season where thats not true

[proven jasper]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[thorn fjord]

Bfa S2 was the wave of mobs affix no?

[subtle tundra]

it was 3x outlaw season 🙂

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I do remember that lol

[hardy dagger]

Veinripper on all our bleed and no cd on ic

[slow marsh]

How about they make IC a 1min cd and have it auto apply rupture and garrote with one global

[signal badger]

Lol just make KB work with IC that will fix our M+

[subtle tundra]

the last time i remember assa being best in m+ was bfa s1 for a solid one or two weeks

[cedar silo]

KB on IC holy hell

[slow marsh]

and add like a 15% damage amp or something

i'd take that capstone

[signal badger]

Kek it would be 3x sin

[marble hemlock]

Assa beat out Outlaw in most of BFA, particularly s4

[subtle tundra]

i can see your argument for s4

but come on

dont lie to yourself just cause you pushed as assa

so did i

[cedar silo]

if they made it so casting IC would always guarantee a stealth garrote dmg amp and a 6-7 point rupture while also having a restless blades mechanic where the cds is reduced by spending combo points everyone would be happy

[signal badger]

We would prob be too strong with all of it, but I wouldn’t complain 🙂

[cedar silo]

i think it would be fine if it was just the dmg amp from stealth garrote and not re apllying the silence

or the dmg reduce

[signal badger]

Tbh I think a flavorful thing they could add would be cdr on things when mobs died.

[slow marsh]

I don't see any reason to add cdr on IC

Like really you guys just dont want to tab bleeds which is fine but man

[proven jasper]

No i think the problem is that you dont get to damage by the time mobs are already dead 🙂

[slow marsh]

What damage are you trying to do

spam envenom on each mob?

[cedar silo]

so i agree in m+ its whatever buut im more so saying like a raid boss like council or brood if youre doing adds

[slow marsh]

So on a raid boss

even if IC had cdr

[storm belfry]

Yes

[sweet dawn]

If you put a sin rogue on adds for Brood you're trippin'

[slow marsh]

what is that doing

some people man

[cedar silo]

no you wouldnt put sin rogue on adds

[storm belfry]

Makes it guaranteed for each pack or even two uses on bigger packs

[cedar silo]

but you could if IC had cdr on it

[storm belfry]

Yes

[slow marsh]

and lose how much boss damage

[cedar silo]

if you were able to use an ic every single add pack it would compete with sub

[slow marsh]

and lose how much boss damage

[frigid pilot]

Meanwhile mufukas cry about sin rogue first week

[keen spruce]

have there been any updates in the last 9 hours?

[frigid pilot]

Make sin great again

MSGA

[carmine dawn]

[cedar silo]

wouldnt lose much boss dmg youde lose the execute but you could do DTB IC if that build was a thing theres plenty of ways to mix things up in the tree is the main point

the difference in sub aoe and single target in the tree is all of 1-2 points to change out

for sin its like 5

[proven jasper]

I think dm should be built into the spec and dtb shouldnt be a capstone 🙂

[cedar silo]

thats alot more to change the spec up to were u can only go aoe or full ST

[proven jasper]

we should be able to take kb and dtb:)

[cedar silo]

if only

[proven jasper]

Put dtb where dm is

I mean the thing is for sub is you can get away with good ST damage while also playing the aoe build lmfao

Same for outlaw

[cedar silo]

thats my point exactly

for sin its one or the other

[proven jasper]

sin is literally the opposite

Ya

[carmine dawn]

What does this do

[proven jasper]

makes it so you can take kingsbane

And dtb 🙂

[carmine dawn]

No I mean, what’s the point of theory crafting things that are literally not in the game

[proven jasper]

whats the point of theory crafting garbage talents

?

[frigid pilot]

What’s the point of playing dead mmos?

[proven jasper]

is wow dead?

[frigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[hasty estuary]

Any thoughts on the new tier set?

[slow marsh]

There's no thinking in this channel

[carmine dawn]

Because they’re in the game

I hope that helps!

[signal badger]

Cev has a good pin on it

[hasty estuary]

Where is it?

[proven jasper]

?

[signal badger]

In the pins of this channel

[hasty estuary]

Ou ty

[carmine dawn]

The reason you know they’re garbage is because someone already did the sims for it

[signal badger]

Tldr is depends on tuning, might make our rotation less fun in ST who knows right now

[proven jasper]

I can read and see how garbage they are pretty easily my friend

[spice spire]

[carmine dawn]

Nevermind you’re right I’m sorry. Let’s theory craft things that are impossible

[slow marsh]

wow you can read. impressive

[carmine dawn]

Good idea

[proven jasper]

What makes it impossible?

for devs to make talent changes

They do it all the time

Just not for sin 🙂

[uncut echo]

You literally do not know that

[carmine dawn]

Idk about you man, but my dtb is a capstone, not in the DM location

Anyone else?

[proven jasper]

when did i say that was the case

[signal badger]

At this point it’s been shown that the devs aren’t gonna give us both dtb and kb.

[proven jasper]

Just said it could be a good change

[uncut echo]

You have zero idea what they're working on

[slow marsh]

You're an actual chimp if you think that DTB is ever going where DM is

[proven jasper]

It doesnt even matter

Kingsbane is bad anyway

[uncut echo]

Maybe not buddy

[carmine dawn]

It’s called

[proven jasper]

yall really be passive aggressive huh

For what

[carmine dawn]

“What if” questions are a waste of time

[spice spire]

That’s just aggressive tbf

[slow marsh]

yeah

wtf

[carmine dawn]

Let’s stick to real thigns

[slow marsh]

passive aggressive who

[proven jasper]

Ok!

[uncut echo]

Lmfao

[spice spire]

But

[uncut echo]

Ice let's not call people chimps

[spice spire]

Let’s not be dog piling takes

[uncut echo]

Idk

[proven jasper]

nah

[spice spire]

No matter how cooked they may seem

[slow marsh]

Ok my bad

[copper hazel]

[proven jasper]

thats cool guys

No wonder they dont make changes for sin

[slow marsh]

You're an actual moron if you think that DTB is ever going where DM is

[proven jasper]

Yall a bunch of babies

[uncut echo]

No, we're not

[spice spire]

That’s actually passive aggressive!

[uncut echo]

We're tired of seeing infinite takes hotter than the surface of the sun

Apologies for people jumping on you

[slow marsh]

It's not even a hot take

[spice spire]

So In the end, If nothing else, you learned something today!

[slow marsh]

I'm all about hot takes

[carmine dawn]

I’m sorry for being mean I just think TCing things that aren’t real are a waste of energy

[gray crest]

This dude came in here, misread a situation, and lashed out at everyone lmao

[keen spruce]

[carmine dawn]

You do you tho

[uncut echo]

Some people do enjoy it tho Jake

[slow marsh]

A hot take would be "I wonder if with the new tier set if sepsis would actually be viable as a ST cd"

[signal badger]

Whole channel for that tho

[slow marsh]

Not something idiotic like "I think DTB should be moved where DM is and DM should be baseline"

[limber lion]

I don't think that's a hot take

That's pretty likely

Sepsis is very likely to beat SBS with the tier set

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s kind of what a lot of people do for fun
I think there’s nothing wrong with that tbh

[grim tangle]

delete dtb dont move it up

[spice spire]

A lot of it is gymnastics for nothing

[keen spruce]

don't say things like that

[spice spire]

But hey if it passes the time for you

[keen spruce]

[uncut echo]

Correct

[keen spruce]

good morning Quack

[uncut echo]

It's the equivilant of sitting down smoking a cigar talking current events in a parlor

[slow marsh]

a 40% buff on top of shiv for sepsis is a lot of damage yes

[uncut echo]

But for your class in wow

It's dumb and hypothetical

But some people like it

[slow marsh]

I also wonder if something like this would end upu being a middle ground build. Hard to tell without rogue patch notes and knowing what talent changes if any are coming

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[blazing arrow]

[uncut echo]

I think we wait to see sims on CT before we assume it to be ST oriented

I'd drop ct point for poison app for now

[slow marsh]

Na it'll be LW shiv into CT for sure

[limber lion]

CT is kinda super likely tbh

[uncut echo]

Not when the tier gets reworked.

Bc of this outrage

[limber lion]

It's already almost there

But the new tier just makes it better

[signal badger]

[slow marsh]

I highly doubt tier gets reworked

[thorn fjord]

In the words of @gusty mirage it’ll be press N look at sub category click activate… done

[slow marsh]

number tuned yeah

but this is what everyone wanted

can't cry about it now

[regal sable]

what the fuck is up with iron wire? a 6 second silence??? not even on gcd, no cast time, just baked into your main damage ability. seriously, rogue balancing is just ridiculous. Not only that but it works in AOE too? you know locks have to actually cast shadowfury for a 2 second stop? you get literally triple that for free

[slow marsh]

also tbf not really any reason to cry imo it's a fine tier set. it does a couple things for us which is nice. I'm most interested to see what talent changes get paired with it

[uncut echo]

AaaaaaaaaaAAAAAaaaAaaaAAAAA

[limber lion]

we don't do that here

[thorn fjord]

😩

[limber lion]

memes are fun, but no encouraging spammerino pepperino pls :3

[thorn fjord]

That was a hot copy pasta

[limber lion]

Sure is

Off-topic is hot for that

[thorn fjord]

I know I know

[regal sable]

this is off topic according to most

[uncut echo]

It is now

[agile fossil]

lost brain cells reading this copy pasta

[slow marsh]

damn and a yellow so that means you only have like 3 left

[agile fossil]

truuue

[ebon notch]

assassinatioff

[thorn fjord]

This is always prime RH time

[green juniper]

can I hide my pitchforks are we still rioting?

[thorn fjord]

Right before major changes

[regal sable]

you rolled a 5 buff but can you roll a 5th braincell

[thorn fjord]

Brain cells capped at 4

[ember mural]

Some memes never die

[vernal adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747567444536852591/903300042033623070/caption.gif

[agile fossil]

the only thing we rolling is nerfs and broken talents