assassination

[uncut echo]

No they dont

Hit button do dot

That's not a different design

[vestal wren]

there are more damage amping talents that affect rupture on subtlety

[uncut echo]

Yeah

And that's unbelievably dumb

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-dead-beating-gif-9285411

[vestal wren]

also assassination has energy regeneration bound to it, so it isn't exactly doing the same thing for both specs

[silk bane]

not really though, sub as a spec works around amplifying your main finishers by a lot of things you stack on top of each other. rupture being now shadow thanks to dark brew + dark brews extra shadow damage, and all the shadow damage amplifiers, and sub's own mastery + finality + all the rupture ticks during dance amplifiers and symbol amplifiers, it ads up

[uncut echo]

I feel that's an ineffective excuse as to why the strength of the dot in the dot spec is weaker than the combo spec.

[thorn fjord]

GIVE US PB PROC OFF RUPTURE AGAIN YOU FUCKING COWARDS

[uncut echo]

True and fucking real bestie

[vestal wren]

its just tuning

[uncut echo]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

and design

[uncut echo]

And I think the tuning bad

Is all I'm saying.

[vestal wren]

if you had more emphasize on rupture in talents it would deal significantly more

[silk bane]

sin tuning and design is generally bad theres no doubt there yepge

[uncut echo]

Correct, that's all I was trying to argue.

[silk bane]

thats just an issue with sin in general though, theres almost 0 meaningful interactions between any of the buttons. its so basic, boring, and just bad...

[uncut echo]

Its isn't bad, it's just not bis. Some of us like it a lot.

Basic and boring are subjective.

[thorn fjord]

Some of us like spinning plates tyvm

[vestal wren]

i just think it is easy to just focus on one thing alone

it can lead to wrong conclusions

e.g. i did read "rupture does bad damage, and out mastery is literally about rupture damage"

[silk bane]

hmm idk, to me sin is just buttons u send on cd. almost non of them interact with the rest of your kit, u just send them. theres no expression of skill, theres a very low skill floor and skill ceiling. idk, I think if you had to put in thought about your future gcds in advance (like you used to) it woulda been better, but as it is now, its just buttons u send on cd without any thought, buttons that do not interact with anything and just exist so that u have to press them

[vestal wren]

when in reality, you have a lot of poison/bleed damage from other sources

[signal badger]

I’d love a new talent that gives us an on use giga poison bomb on a 30second cd call it like poison mist or something

[thorn fjord]

Kinda like OL then?

[silk bane]

oh Ol is worse imo right now. I legit stopped playing it early in DF. it was mind numbingly bad...

[thorn fjord]

Felt better at the start of DF than it does now

And felt even better during pre patch

But its still send on CD

Id prefer the send on CD gameplay over having to pull energy like we used to

[silk bane]

i think KIR woulda been a better playstyle. HO was fun when it was new but once you start playing it, it gets bad really really fast. atleast for me. I was a 'rogue' player loved all 3 specs, but right now I kinda am a sub one trick who sometimes plays sin for fun.

[vestal wren]

ironically, if you doubled the damage of rupture, you would make assassination best in all simulation styles

[royal lantern]

littearly every single dps spec in wow sends on cd

[vestal wren]

beating sub/outlaw noticable

[royal lantern]

sub didnt for some time and Sometimes hold a bit, but even sub is just sending now lol

[silk bane]

its not an issue of sending... its the interaction. u ER on cd. what odes it do for the rest of your kit? idk longer rupture? a little more envenom damage? cool i guess? you shiv on cd, it just increases a few envenoms. atleast with KB you would hold double shiv, it meant more, but now theyre all meaningless buttons, they dont feel impactful is all

maybe i expect too much from sin but idk It just feels like in its core its too simple and barebone of a spec with a bunch of buttons added to it to make it more 'interesting'

[vestal wren]

sadly a consequence of how weak some of the cooldowns are

[vestal wren]

is there actually a problem in design or tuning?

[thorn fjord]

Its tuning

100%

The class still plays within the realm it always has

[vestal wren]

i mean obv. talent trees are for like all specs still not perfect or not even close to

[thorn fjord]

Since i can rememeber

They need to fiddle with some of the numbers

And we'll be gucci

Plz lord dont have me main DK next tier 😩

[vestal wren]

sin being week in aoe is def. a consequence of design, but could also be corrected with tuning

[thorn fjord]

But like we've always had this "issue"

The Aoe argument is old and tired for Sin imo

But i get that people dont want to be forced to play other specs on account of ease and playability

[vestal wren]

tbh it was mostly sub that did no aoe at all

BP didn't even fix that initially

[thorn fjord]

Yeah and look what BP did

[vestal wren]

they needed to buff BP to "fix" it

[thorn fjord]

Still before BP it felt awful doing packs as sub lol

Storm to evis storm to evis

You kinda cry a little inside

[vestal wren]

it was fine with shuriken combo because you did compensate

[thorn fjord]

It didnt feel fine imo

[silk bane]

I think tuning would just be hiding the design flaws. Atleast with Ret they said yeah spec does decent damage but man it sucks so we're gonna fix it. increasing rupture damage would fix sin's aoe and make it's st really good but i think thats just putting makeup on the spec

[oak tangle]

i can't tell if we're overreacting or if stockholm syndrome has got me good. but in the patch where sin has somewhat good aoe damage for once and we're acting as if it's so bad. like previous xpacs i wouldn't have dreamt of being able to do a decent level key

[vestal wren]

it would put sin noticable ahead of the other 2 specs in any given situation

not just "make it good in st"

[oak tangle]

i know the main issue is the sacrifices to select between aoe and st

[vestal wren]

most specs are designed like that

its just that outlaw is a outliner with BF

and subtelty happens to have more talents that work well for both

[oak tangle]

the SP rework is interesting in that regard

[silk bane]

its kind of weird, like the other specs have these moments where the spec feels really fun, like old OL you get a few really good rolls and the spec feels amazing! its fun its smooth its great, sub has its own moments, sin is kinda just flat - excitement wise- atleast thats for me others could like it! I understand it could be preference. theres no real interactions that make moments in the spec feel amazing! its all just ah i keep my dots up and keep envenom buff up and im chilling

[formal ore]

what

for me the only fun spec is sin

[oak tangle]

it's a fundamental interraction with the spec and how you percieve fun from it imo

[formal ore]

sub feels shit af to play

and outlaw weird af

[silk bane]

I know thats why I said preference!

[vestal wren]

i think all 3 have areas that feel good and some that don't

[oak tangle]

sin for me is the plate spinning, it's the ramping into damage. it's the allowing you to float and do mechanics without being penalised so much

[formal ore]

this

and also having to keep an eye on your dots is more fun than just waiting for dance to go off cd

makes me not wanna sleep while playing

[vestal wren]

its diffrent in design

[silk bane]

thats fair! to me its flat, theres nothing interesting happening in the spec ever. no interesting moments, no moment where u feel insanely strong. its all flat. very different deisngs for sure

[vestal wren]

not everything appeals to everyone, and thats fine

[oak tangle]

i recommend you try a exsanguinated ramped raz shield

with lust and sub 35%

[formal ore]

well that changes completely for pvp though

u just melt everyone at the same time

[silk bane]

Idk I think if envenom was a devouring plague like bleed where you could stack it, it would make the spec a lot better, it would fix parts of its issues. a short living heavy hitting bleed. like you could stack envenom bleeds in ST and that would be your ST damage, in cleave u would spread it and try to keep it up since its your finisher idk that would be more exciting to me and I think would be easier to balance around. you could still maintain prio damage in mutli target cleave it would be interesting. you could make choices idk

[silk bane]

yeah i know in pvp its giga fun. the only time i play sin now days is either pvp or trolling Ratge 20s or something

[oak tangle]

the problem with sin, is we have basically no inherent aoe. crimson tempest and fok are those. so in order to do aoe at the moment alot of it is tied directly to our single target abilities. so to buff aoe you'd have to buff st and that has it's own issues.

we also do not have the cp generation to use envenom like that

[silk bane]

there are so many ideas for that though, whisper had a few good ones with the envenom reducing CT dot by a few second on the targets and doing the damage instnatly to them. CT being able to stack so you would have these moments of burning through energy cap and stacking CT damage, there are ideas, just hoping some of them get noticed

[thorn fjord]

Or you could play UHDK

[silk bane]

wait what?

[oak sky]

Ideas getting noticed?

[thorn fjord]

Spreading dot via cleave and such

[oak tangle]

my idea for aoe, is kinda like that. in that we should build up stacks of something on targets hit by fok, and we have a finisher to consume those stacks to deal damage to all targets that had stacks on them. kinda like bone spike is in ST

[silk bane]

well, the whisper idea is more like feral than unholy.

[thorn fjord]

I’m not a fan personally

[oak tangle]

the loop would be fok to generate while we apply ruptures and garrotes, and once you have a pack ruptured, you pop the fok stacks

[silk bane]

i mean like if envenom was say a 6-8 second heavy hitting bleed tht you could stack, and you had a way of spreading it. like every target that you spread the bleed to, it reduces its remaining time by 0.5 sec or 1 sec or something. then your goal was in ST would be to maintain as high of a stack as u can, and in aoe you would like maintain a high enough stack btu try to spread it while keeping it up on the prio target or something

idk theres so many thigns u can do

w/e it's all cope though. theyre gonna buff CT and call it a day

[oak tangle]

that is poison bomb

[oak sky]

Actually theyre gonna do nothing

[silk bane]

no its very different, its more like a stackable Devouring Plague that you could spread but spreading it would reduce its uptime duration.

[oak tangle]

we already have envenom to cleave damage

another idea i had, is along the lines of storing some of the dot damage we do, and giving us a way to discharge that. if you've played poe kinda like how plague bearer works

[silk bane]

honestly anything is better than it is now. I just dont like envenom as the main finisher of the spec and having PB tied to it.

[thorn fjord]

Env has always been our main finisher

Wut?

[oak tangle]

don't mistake this comment for hating or not liking how it is, but it's kinda cringe that our top damaging ability is a generator

[silk bane]

I know, but I think they could come up with better ideas thats all. I think a more bleed based finisher that interacts with other parts of your spec would be more fitting of sin. thats all

[runic hinge]

Bleed based finisher like rupture? Or like CT? How many finishers do we need

[thorn fjord]

I hated using CT in ST and do not want to go back to that

[oak tangle]

we just need a ct rework

[silk bane]

I was thinking a finisher like Devouring from Spriest, short living, hard hitting, stackable thats all

[oak tangle]

it is too similar to envenom

and envenom is fine

they aint gonna remove envenom, dispatch, eviscerate

[silk bane]

its all cope tbh no real point other than just fan fiction hehe

a better type of cope would be coping about trinkets netx tier

[oak tangle]

yeah, i mean it's fun to come up with ideas

i was just thinking now with an idea that if we have x number of dots on a target, hitting envenom on them could cause them to radiate damage from the dots exploding or something. would have zero effect on ST and could allow priority focus into cleaving

still kinda poison bomb like

so probs too similar

[formal ore]

they could just buff poison bomb proc rate and u get that actually

[silk bane]

thats really really similar to Aff locks Malefic, and from what Ive seen people do not like that thing. they preferred when you would stack UA's as a finisher which ironically Is more similar to what I had in mind LOL

[silk bane]

remember when they nerfed this thing week 1 because of RWF and heroic logs. Sadge

[formal ore]

but for me the spec feels good the way it works, rearranging the talents and tuning it a lil bit would be good enough

[oak tangle]

the only thing i can see why they'd do that is to stop us from having easy access to aoe while tunnelling a target, but the shadow priest rework is literally that on brand

they've essentially got and on / off switch for cleave on their tree

[formal ore]

i dont like the spriest playstyle right now

its kinda weird

[silk bane]

Eh no cope I think theyre gonna have to redo big chunks of sin tree. you lose way too much st to do aoe and youre not gonna be doing either of them remotely well. thats something they got wrong with multiple specs with the new talent tree design and hopefully theyre gonna fix it

[oak sky]

Its literally just outlaw

[oak tangle]

no even easier

the toggle is on or off on tree, they dont have to press flurrry XD

[oak sky]

The gameplay model is the same as outlaw

[silk bane]

I think this was why initial tuning of the raid was so off too. like they assumed RWF people would bring giga chad AOE people for ads and gigachad ST for boss and isntead they brought only specs that could do both but then the tuning was off because they were not doing enough of either.

so they'll probably fix it

[oak tangle]

nah it was worse than that

they assumed max aoe and max st at same time

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/deadhorse-lol-gif-4927979

@oak sky

[oak tangle]

there is a interview with jeath and morgan day talking about it. where they owned up to the tuning, and basically said that was the issue. and jokingly the wow dev said it would have been fine had we been bale to change talents mid fight

[neon kindle]

Wish Sin was the burst spec and sub was the sustain spec

[oak tangle]

unironically agree but probably for different reasons

[vestal wren]

ironically it is

subtlety is designed to be bursty, but the burst is fairly low

assassination has stronger burst

[oak tangle]

i think that all they need is to swap the spec names between sin and sub. because subtlety imo fits the theme of assas and vice versa

[vestal wren]

i don't think so

[silk bane]

I dont think so either tbh

[neon kindle]

naw we got the same reasoning

[oak tangle]

assassins are quick in and quick out from shadows to execute

[vestal wren]

assassination has a lot of bleeds/poisons

[vapid sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

subtlety is very limited with only rupture

[vapid sierra]

sub has lethal poision too

[neon kindle]

yea, im aware of the deathmark exsang window high damage. But its more reliant on that burst reliability being from dots. rather than high damage spenders.

[oak tangle]

poison to me screams more subtle to me

[vestal wren]

subtlety does mostly shadow damage

[formal ore]

but shadows fits sub more than poisons

[neon kindle]

gona have to go with your take on this if it still stands. If rupture is gona basically do shadow damage, just swap it back to nightblade.

[oak tangle]

idk, i reckon an assassin comes from the shadows

i also don't think long prolonged dots is a very good sign of an assassin

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935989994735169546/1034868802858537000/caption-1.gif

[vestal wren]

assassination (re-colored bleeds)

[formal ore]

i think dying without knowing wtf happened is very assin like

geting a cut and dying 2 hours later fits the theme of assassination for me

[oak tangle]

look i'll give you this, i don't think assassins playstyle is as subtle, as i think subtlety's playstyle is an assassin

[formal ore]

ok then

agree to disagree

[vestal wren]

i am not sure where the theme fits outside of "it also has rupture"

[oak tangle]

talking lore wise, maybe i play too much assassins creed, but them guys come in kill you and f off

[formal ore]

for me lillian voss screams subtetly

its atacking from the shadows and thats it

[oak tangle]

i feel like a proper assassin when i poison the first boss of CoS's drink

lol

[royal lantern]

running into masses, and then needs to be saved by the player?

cus thats 90% of lillians actions

[formal ore]

ability wise

but oh boy how dirty they did her is unfair

she was so op in the beginning

[proper magnet]

Quick and easy question, rupture exanguinate. Next rupture during pandemic or last sec?

[oak tangle]

after it drops off

ideally as it drops off

but not before

[proper magnet]

Thanks 🙂

[thorn fjord]

I usually refresh somewhere between the 1-3 sec mark

for the exsanged rup

[vital rampart]

Was there any update on the exsang rework? I know they said they were going to revisit it in the future but couldn't see if there was anything planned for 10.1?

[oak tangle]

we have 3 second lockout on spells from our kick

is all we got so far from 10.1

[thorn fjord]

poggers @oak tangle

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch gz

[ebon notch]

On what

[burnt latch]

on being awesome

at this game and in life

[ebon notch]

Thank you homie

I needed that

You too

[burnt latch]

i gotchu

[spice spire]

@burnt latch miss u.
Miss us

[echo heath]

They will give us an overturned tier and push our rework/buffs off to another patch

[vestal wren]

how can you miss him if he is still a leafie, that just joined discord

[spice spire]

He keeps playing with my heart

Leaving and rejoining

Man

[gaunt moat]

That's kinda where our sights are at right now. see what the tier set bring.

[oak sky]

Why would they give us a broken tier set and leave off a rework when they can just give us a shit tier set and not do a rework at all

[vestal wren]

you sure we need to rework the spec completely

[burnt latch]

🌿 ❤️

[pseudo hamlet]

Just imagine how Assa would be BIG if we had these bonuses in our new set:
2pc: Your envenom gives you an additional 1 second of Slice and Dice per combo spend.
4pc: Every time you hit at least 6 targets with your Fan of Knives, you receive minimum 2 combo points.

[oak sky]

Best tier set of all time for sure

[normal mist]

2pc looks straight out of garbage xD

[pseudo hamlet]

Compared to 4pc which is totally awesome!

[normal mist]

4pc is a total win

Especially in ST

:3

[neon kindle]

make it more bursty

[pseudo hamlet]

Tbh I think the reason why we aren't getting any rework is that all of the bosses will(should) be ST in the new raid!

[gusty mirage]

you do realize in 10.0.7 we go from a top 5 ST spec

to like

8th right?

[pseudo hamlet]

No I don't, where can I check that out?

[neon kindle]

you are aware, you basically never reapply SnD right?

wait i just read the 4pc

u memeing

[pseudo hamlet]

Thought it's obvious

[gusty mirage]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T29_Raid.html
Frost DK, ele sham, aff lock, and marks are getting buffs in 10.0.7

[neon kindle]

i just read the first one and thought "tf is dis". if i had read both idve known

myb myb

[gusty mirage]

remember when assassination was too strong at like 98k?

[pseudo hamlet]

What the fuck is the blizzard problem with Assa then

[gusty mirage]

hunter about to get a nice big buff

in 8 days

[oak sky]

Hunter is fine

[gusty mirage]

ya

so is rogue

can't fix nightstalker because outlaw and sub are "fine"

[oak sky]

Bow boys never lose

[gusty mirage]

can't fix lethality not working with shadowstrike cuz sub is "fine"

[oak sky]

Cant fix nightstalker cant fix exsang cant fix find weakness cant fix lethality cant fix dance cant fix sin aoe

Cant fix sub left side

Cant fix sin left side

[gusty mirage]

can't fix sub's build diversity so they went with destroying assassination's and outlaw's instead

[oak sky]

Cant fix kingsbane

Ready for the number buffs to make everything viable

Sub is gonna love playing the rotten next tier

[pseudo hamlet]

Next patch will fix it!

[gusty mirage]

true

it's just the first build guys!

big things coming that's why it's so empty for rogue

meanwhile spriest is getting its 2nd rework of the expac

hell it's 2nd rework in the last 30 days at that

meanwhile ret got nerfed already on ptr

poor ret pallies man

[oak sky]

Im pretty sure priest plays worse with this tho

Thats the funny part

[gusty mirage]

I mean wheter its an improvement or not

is kinda irrelevant

they apparently have the man power to rework one singular spec

3 times

[oak sky]

At least they get attention

[gusty mirage]

in the span of 6 months

but we can't even get talent bugfixes

[marble hemlock]

cant wait for the

105k demo sims

[balmy condor]

Demo as in demonstration, like testing?

For 10.1 rogues

Right

[marble hemlock]

yes

exactly

its crazy how you can read my mind

[balmy condor]

It’s a German thing

Communication tool invented in the late 30’s

Don’t tell anyone though

[gusty mirage]

honestly I'm less upset at that

than the spec that can move and dps

doing 100k ST dps

lol

at least demo has to cast sometimes

[gaunt moat]

Actually true 😂

[nocturne current]

Frankly it's quite hilarious that in the top 5 ST, there's only 1 melee class.

Oh well, what can I say.

Get fucked for having to be in range of a target.

[proven jasper]

i just wanna play assa go brrrrr in St

😦

why i not allowed to do good dps

[nocturne current]

Yeah I wanted assa to be atleast good on something, not just mediocre on all.

[proven jasper]

no like i wouldnt even care if it was bad in aoe like it is already

atleast have it do good single target

[nocturne current]

ye

[proven jasper]

top 5 at fucking least

[elder garden]

Anyone got a moment to look at my broodkeeper logs? I'm on st and doing like 15k less than what I'm siming.

[balmy condor]

have you tried wowanalyzer

[silk bane]

@gusty mirage do u want a rework of assassination like they did for SP/boomie or a tuning patch?

[elder garden]

Not yet, I'll check there first.

[gusty mirage]

I'd settle for talent bug fixes as a starter

maybe a kingsbane buff

so it's not dead forever

[silk bane]

i mean this does nothing for sin unfortunately. but yeah a KB buff would also be really nice... DTB feels so uninteractive and boring

[proven jasper]

what if you could have dtb and kingsbane

🙂

[subtle tundra]

they killed kb for fucking ap

and the only reason ap is "good" is zoldyck

the only reason kb was good

[elder garden]

Since this is a prog log and not a kill log, it's not showing.

[balmy condor]

oh

well what % did you wipe at

[elder garden]

Just after hitting to p2. I'm relegated to st duty, and the add tank is doing more dps than me.

[proven jasper]

what if you made poison bomb a cp spender for aoe?

[balmy condor]

okay well that's out of zold range, out of blindside range

so I think 15k under your sim is kinda okay

given the situation

[proven jasper]

could be a good solution to the cleave issue

aswell

[elder garden]

Hadn't considered exe windows. My casts are lining up with other people's logs, just really bad dps, and I'm afraid of being benched.

[balmy condor]

let me check what I was at going into p2

yeh I sim 88.7 on a standard 5min

going into p2 (4:45)

I was at 74.3

thats around 15k

quite a sandwich happening

[elder garden]

I'm simming around 81k and wiped doing around 66k I believe.

[balmy condor]

I was actually the only person in my raid to parse purple on that kill

[elder garden]

Just got a puzzlebox so that should help tomorrow.

[balmy condor]

lmao

what a dumb fight

[copper hazel]

ey they doing the same parses as those classes IQs

[elder garden]

I just wish I could get on adds instead, but our add group is already strong.

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

yeah sub/outlaw is much better, but the boss damage is necessary

gotta be the boss bitch I guess

ain't glamorous but someone's gotta do it

(just recruit like 3 hunters)

[elder garden]

lmao we already have 2 haha. I'm just glad I'm not on egg duty like I was for normal and heroic.

Thanks for the analysis. Now to get use to using puzzlebox in opener.

[balmy condor]

np

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/beat-dead-horse-beat-a-dead-horse-metaphor-gif-17347367

[proven jasper]

Oh ya i was gonna ask that

Where do u guys put puzzle box in the opener

Just got on the other day

[thorn fjord]

after ER or after Exsang

[proven jasper]

one*

okay cool

[thorn fjord]

Optimal choice is after exsang

[nocturne current]

Why after Exasang.

[thorn fjord]

Before DM

to get full uptime on DM

[proven jasper]

i imagine u wanna use it right before DM

for the big damages

[thorn fjord]

I use after ER because muscle memory

[nocturne current]

Isn't optimal before both lol to exsang a full mastery rupture

[thorn fjord]

really not much of a difference

@balmy condor Mentioned its just better to use before DM

More value from DM than the Exsang rupture

[nocturne current]

I don't see any reason not to do it before.

You still have full box for dm

[thorn fjord]

Its a slight difference dude im just telling you what ive seen

He asked and i gave him the answer

I use after ER

But Whispyr uses after exsang

[nocturne current]

Ye I also use after ER

[thorn fjord]

Because its SLIGHTLY optimal

[balmy condor]

it's just a matter of dead gcds

I kinda box wherever

[proven jasper]

my thought process was to use it right before you exang + DM

[balmy condor]

sometimes after the second rupture

sometimes after exsang

sometimes after deathmark

[proven jasper]

How long does box last?

[nocturne current]

20s

[proven jasper]

i havent checked the tip

oh thats pretty good

[balmy condor]

yeh it's 20

[proven jasper]

Im just gonna use it after the second rupture i feel like that’ll be easiest to time

[thorn fjord]

@nocturne current yo can you DM me that tupac song you posted the other day

[red tinsel]

Can't wait for 10.1 so that damned box is gone

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[red tinsel]

2sec cast trinkets are lame

[balmy condor]

that's why the opener says "when comfortable"

[balmy condor]

me too, mostly because I'm tired of talking about it

[sudden canyon]

i just accidentally deleted my plater settings

[thorn fjord]

Then we're dice boiz

[sudden canyon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/4/49/Pirates_rolling_dice.gif/revision/latest/smart/width/250/height/250?cb=20220323111005

[runic hinge]

The thing that throws me off in the opener is sbs. You pandemic garrote then rupture and then you have that global where you’re not pushing exsang or dm. Can I just push it after dm?

[proven jasper]

U wanna use sbs before exang dm i beleive

o wait

I dont think it gets duplicates does it?

[nocturne current]

I just throw sbs in for free in the first rupture, sacrifice a combo point for easier rotation.

[runic hinge]

Oh good idea

[nocturne current]

Otherwise I always fuck up the rotation distracted with something

So I usually do.. gar > snd > gar > sbs > rupt

Then bleed part should be done with heh

Then rest is normal as is, ain't perfect but works for my head organizing stuff

[runic hinge]

That’s a good idea I’ll try to remember that.

[formal ore]

what buff should we get in AA ?

in lower keys where versa isnt needed

[balmy condor]

crit

[viscid spear]

[uncut echo]

jokes on you

im never comfy

[white orchid]

I’ve been going into mastery since my crit is at 42%. Should I still be taking crit buff in AA?

[balmy condor]

probably

[uncut echo]

take vers you coward

(That crit doesn't DR, it's a flat 5)

[viscid spear]

I play a Mage with Quake in the group

[uncut echo]

Lmao

[viscid spear]

It's actualy fine, he's too busy chastising the other melee

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage i think we should be more positive about potential rogue changes

im hoping that realz just drops an absolute motherlode of a rework on our heads

[royal lantern]

realz is aware

like, dooming doesnt help

and that comes from the #4doomer here

[thorn fjord]

Dooming may not help

But it sure as hell makes you feel better

[runic hinge]

I hope everyone keeps dooming because it’s entertainment at work for me

[gusty mirage]

[nocturne current]

Realz has red nickname but he has forsaken us.

[ebon notch]

[royal lantern]

[orchid spear]

whats sbs again?

[balmy condor]

bone spike

[orchid spear]

oh

do you wanna use before?

i fucking hate that spell so much

[orchid spear]

does the bleed benefit from exasnng

[balmy condor]

no

[orchid spear]

are you sure?

[balmy condor]

yes I'm sure

[orchid spear]

it's a bleed?

[balmy condor]

the last time bone spike worked with exsanguinate it crashed the world servers

you cannot speed up infinite bleeds

[orchid spear]

you can make it tick faster for a period of time 🤷‍♂️

[balmy condor]

not with how exsang works you can't

[orchid spear]

fairs, ty

[ocean goblet]

But Whispyr, are you sure?

[balmy condor]

let me ask someone who would know

@balmy condor does the bleed benefit from exsang

it does not @balmy condor

thanks @balmy condor

[orchid spear]

what memers you boys are!

[formal ore]

where can i find the trinket sims ,?

[orchid spear]

bloodmallet

[formal ore]

thanks

[balmy condor]

it's a coping mechanism between dooming sessions cause no changes

[orchid spear]

yeah shame its a dumpster spec.

@balmy condor should you be chaining tea in opener for bonus mastery or pooling charges for energy drought, master?

[balmy condor]

first one with cds according to the opener image, the rest for energy

[orchid spear]

yea just the one

[balmy condor]

timing doesn't matter much as long as you get the energy

first one's just to get the cooldown going

[orchid spear]

^

[uncut echo]

wym they just posted changes (prank) ((not real)) (((dont @ me)))

[nocturne current]

They even made Whysp play sub

[balmy condor]

I lost 300 dps in p1

and gained almost 70k in i1

very good balancing

every spec can do all the content guys

some of them just do everything

and others can only do one thing

no big deal

[slow needle]

They say every spec can do everything. Not that they can do it well.

Or at the same time.

[whole mason]

whispyr played sub long time ago like on Sylvanas where sin was totally viable

[spice spire]

@ me

Whispyr is a sub OTP

[uncut echo]

fake and wrong

[spice spire]

U don’t know him like I do

(Intimately)

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Problem?

[viscid spear]

You have to be faithful to the entire Quakussy Harem

[spice spire]

That one is going in the archives

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[spice spire]

Me rn

[viscid spear]

We're out there, you have been warned

[gusty mirage]

did you see the nerfs

I'm free

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-25824935

[spice spire]

I did

I’m happy for you

[gusty mirage]

it was nice serving the gamers in here

for all of SL

[spice spire]

I miss you already

And ur not even gone

Who will bully me during the normal hours of the day now

[gusty mirage]

the zine arc is coming to a conclusion

only thing I need is to start playing league

and getting chat banned

[spice spire]

X42

[thorn fjord]

Oxi really quitting?

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-believe-his-lies-memento-gif-11382090

[viscid spear]

If you can't trust the staff of Ravenholdt, who can you trust?

[strange python]

You didn't do defend me when stealthi called me stupid for this argument 😦

[balmy condor]

ok

[nocturne current]

Install, pick ADC farm for 30 minutes, face enemy turbofed Zed, uninstall.

[gusty mirage]

I would rather drink bleach than ever play league of legends again

[nocturne current]

Idem.

I even felt sorry for my girlfriend for me having wasting so much time for absolutely nothing.

Worked hard last season to get rewards.

Got chat banned by end of season, demoted to Honor 1, no rewards

[storm belfry]

Let’s push on Apex

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Whatcha pushin bud

[oak sky]

I love you oxi :3

[spice spire]

#1080572530554835072

[oak sky]

Love you too (dont go anywhere) :'333

[spice spire]

Uhhhh

[earnest remnant]

i called it stupid to think that, that is how they balance the game, cuz its not how they clearly balance it if you look at this expansion or prev ones

[spice spire]

[earnest remnant]

then sub rogue in history shouldve been the best single target class since it didn't have aoe

now if we talk if that is how they "Should" balance the game

fuck no

but i do think its cool af to have classes fit into specific roles, just not when it comes to extremes where the class just becomes useless and dead weight

[drifting cloud]

just be mage and geat aura buffs until its enough

or I guess assa in cn

[earnest remnant]

was about to say xD

[dark token]

I've seen (fotmrogue's) some banger (fotmrogue's) assa rogue (fotmrogue's) logs on raza tho

Same overall as me on sub but way more boss dam

Made me believe sin was actually good and op for a sec

[gaunt moat]

I think it's more that fotmrogue is OP than the spec

I dunno how he does it

[oak sky]

Theres this buff called power infusion that a priest named viklund gives him

Might want to check that out

[gaunt moat]

Wait, priests in others raid give PI?

[unreal bear]

holy fuck i suck at sennarth on mythic

[gaunt moat]

Priests in my raid (mythic brood) :

And they all have twin suns

[unreal bear]

the PI on the DH is

[gaunt moat]

I guess they are ethical priests, don't wanna spoil logs for WCL.

[unreal bear]

beautiful

[oak sky]

Wrong purple class

[gaunt moat]

i know right?

Meanwhile our BM got zero PIs

[unreal bear]

i had priests tell me "bloodmallet is pvp so it's not accurate" and continued PIing a ret

[gaunt moat]

are all priests pepegas?

[balmy condor]

bloodmallet is pvp is the wildest argument I've ever heard

well known pvp simulations webpage bloodmallet

[gaunt moat]

I asked why the DH. The answer was "He was in range"

[unreal bear]

priest should spec acrobatic strikes

melee heals hard

[gaunt moat]

what's the range on PI?

[unreal bear]

a paltry 40yd i think

[oak sky]

aka the same radius every ranged has

[gaunt moat]

Well, maybe the priests are just so ethical they don't wanna spoil logs for WCL

[sudden canyon]

any news on sin updates

[oak sky]

no :'333

[sudden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-sleep-goodnight-meme-goodnight-bro-minecraft-gif-21455562

[oak tangle]

lol i look at pi's in my group and we start well, then they all seem to migrate to me as boss gets lower. perks of just doing the most damage

[gaunt moat]

I get PI > I do most damage > I get PI

[oak tangle]

priests are goated

[gaunt moat]

Honestly, I don't even care if i get PI or not, just like.. if they'd literally gave it to ANYONE. 7 missed PIs is substantial loss.
but i'm the only one in guild that cares about it, so it's not gonna change

[oak tangle]

mythic prog?

[gaunt moat]

we're 7/8m

[oak tangle]

my guild is AOTC

XD

[gaunt moat]

But a least your heroic parses are 🔥 😛

[oak tangle]

lol

must be a prerequisite for mythic priests to forget how to use PI

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, I dunno what to tell you. Playing in a CE guild and not being able to target anyone for PI is pretty awful in my eyes.

[oak tangle]

they dps or heal or a mix

[gaunt moat]

It's two shadows and a disc.

[oak tangle]

shadows are just trolling then, they surely know how good it is

just subtlely link them a focus macro for it

[gaunt moat]

Yeah someone else told me he'll give them one

cause RL don't care.

[oak tangle]

hope he'll care when it's a 1% wipe

[gaunt moat]

we had multiple 2% wipes on brood before kill

[oak tangle]

bruhhhh

[gaunt moat]

I brought it up. i was told "PI is not our issue, we have bigger issues"
and so, it was ignored.

[oak tangle]

i had this argument with some random shaman in a aotc raz pug, where he didnt take / use windfury. we had a 2% wipe and i explained to him that with windfury i alone would have done the missing percent more hp

his response was "good for you"

[gaunt moat]

If it's just one random person, so be it. but when RL don't care, it's an issue.

[oak tangle]

yah

i'm honestly considering maining spriest next tier

[gaunt moat]

to piss off other dps? 😛

[oak tangle]

haha, nah so i can have a rework

[gaunt moat]

You're gonna miss our 5% buff

[oak tangle]

nah i've always wanted to try a caster, and spriest just feels the least punishing

i'll likely still play rogue, probs as a m+ alt or something, and i want the tier gear that looks cool

i say this, 1 week into patch i'll probs hard swap back to rogue like i did this tier

[gaunt moat]

On the brood with no PIs, I was also missing Battleshout for 50% of the fight

When are they gonna make buffs just auras

[feral mason]

From what I saw spriest on ptr was the most doomer shit ever

Priests from my guild were complaining like some hoes about it anyway

[oak tangle]

the complaints i saw were about movement, and that shadow crash doesn't apply enough dots often enough, but like i'm used to assassin and having to multi dot so not sure why they madge about having to swap

[royal lantern]

spriest is strong af rn, but mostly because its just overtuned

they change stuff, peeps are angry

[keen spruce]

holy LOL

[steel ridge]

how much of a effective hp nerf is the shield nerf?

[keen spruce]

[feral mason]

Strong on ptr? I know its overtuned on live but highly doubt it is on there

[drifting cloud]

2% if even

24mil less shield dmg on 1st and 2nd shield, but youre doing 200% more dmg with buff

[steel ridge]

does the buff end when shield is gone?

[drifting cloud]

ofc

[steel ridge]

suprised theres no 5% hp overall nerf or something

[drifting cloud]

the dps check on the boss is already pretty chill

[steel ridge]

not for my guild apparently

80 pulls in, still wiping on p1 check 50% of the time

[soft cape]

Well it's the extra damage you gain over 1st and 2nd shield since the end of that cast is a set timer, right?

80 pulls is NOT a lot btw

[keen spruce]

fulminating nerf is pretty huge

[steel ridge]

i think we have seen intermission like 6 times

[royal lantern]

live

[gaunt moat]

@drifting cloud guildie posts a video of BM hunter's Dathea in discord. Then I see you're in it 😂

(Also, how are you keeping above 80k on dathea. I'm so much lower)

[subtle tundra]

you get gear and do dps

[quasi pine]

quick question, isnt master assassin a good thing in m+ for the fortified weeks (instead of exang)

[woeful meteor]

Dathea is basically a full ST fight with some extra dmg from dotting the infuser hitting 80k shouldnt be to hard with decent gear and a somewhat clean pull

[subtle tundra]

they are interchangeable

[quasi pine]

I'm using exsang for tyrranical and MA for fortified for the moment

[subtle tundra]

i have used ma everywhere

[quasi pine]

mmmh

[subtle tundra]

exsang is a headache

no thanksies

[quasi pine]

I might try ma next week

[subtle tundra]

its not like it changes your gameplay lol

[gaunt moat]

Why are you being toxic to me 🥲

[quasi pine]

not a lot tbh yeah but idk if i'll loose or win dps, and in wich situation wich one is better

[subtle tundra]

you dont lose nor win dps

you wont notice it

it will just remove a headache

(exsang)

[quasi pine]

kek

Love exang but hope for a good rework

(average exang fan)

[subtle tundra]

make MA 100% so there's no choice

maybe still exsang in ST

but not in m+

and the exsang lovers can still play it(even though i dont care about them)

[gaunt moat]

You're talking as if sin is ever gonna get changes

[quasi pine]

yeah I wont play raid without exang 3s crit every 2 minutes seems a bit sadge

[quasi pine]

maybe one day

[gaunt moat]

Maybe after a few more shadow priests reworks

[quasi pine]

They'll rework exang for 10.1 I swear

[subtle tundra]

after they made exsang 3m i have yet to play it

i liked it more at 45s

[quasi pine]

yeah really hate the change

45s and 100% instead of 80

poor little thing

[subtle tundra]

what it does now it just adds a step to DM

before it would influence your whole rotation

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-hug-brandon-p-bell-troy-fairbanks-dear-white-people-bro-code-gif-16173238

[gaunt moat]

Yeah how come you're not using exsang ryler
no PB or just think it's ass?

[drifting cloud]

I got 4set same week as we got to rasz

didnt have enough valor to upgrade pb back then, played sub on rasz anyways

now I cba for farm

[gaunt moat]

I envy you. it's hell.

[pastel onyx]

make MA great again

[hollow dirge]

nah, fuck MA, just remove it and add something else . only ma worth going back to is the first iteration

and that one's never happening again

[winter gale]

Is Exsang/No Exsang build personal prefference for Rasza M or one is maybe more suitable than the other?

Also, should I drop Puzzlebox for HC Torch no matter what sims are saying or playing both is good? I am a bit 'off' from using both ON USE trinkets but will play what will bring most benefits to the team. Some guildies went HC Torch already over 415 Box

Just 4.1% are using Icon, I guess its time to swap for me too

[subtle tundra]

I play whats comfy not what's best personally

In mythic aswell

🫡

[winter gale]

I will do the same, I think No Exsang build will go nice for that but I will also try sub a bit as Oxi suggested me. One more thing, with Box/Torch... I use Torch on CD and Box I pair with DM always?

[pseudo hamlet]

The difference is so miniscule that I think the more comfortable you play, the better DPS you'd actually do.
It's like the Corruption thing - you may get a better DPS on the paper, but in real situations it's not that great.
(kinda exaggerated, but you get the point)

[winter gale]

Yes

[pseudo hamlet]

For me 415 Box + HC Icon > HC Grieftoch + other trinkets.

[uncut echo]

Torch is nuts for prog

[winter gale]

I will go with 2x on use as Torch is good for prog, big insta dmg for when needed.

[subtle tundra]

Torch is nuts. People die regardless if it's prog or not

[winter gale]

I think there are few ppl that will get torch over me if/when it drops and dropped dagger is 100% mine if/when. So I will go for M Torch in the vault over the dagger and I do feel bad for that 😄

Its 1.3% upgrade on sim over HC one

Simming 89k atm

[oblique geode]

where do i start learning assassination ?

[outer cairn]

The FAQ

[royal lantern]

#assassination-faq

[outer cairn]

Winning

[oblique geode]

ty

[outer cairn]

When I get home I’ll run you through the basics. You be around?

[oblique geode]

😮 dont have a lot of time tonight maby later on this week if you are available 😄 thanks though

[outer cairn]

Oh I meant within the hour.

I can do whenever. I’m going to give you a crash course

[oblique geode]

thats gonna be hard got a meeting in 30 mins 😮 love working from home😄

[outer cairn]

A meeting that could be an email. Fun. I’ll be available from about 8-9 EST then later on this afternoon

[outer cairn]

I Dm you so I find you later

[hollow chasm]

shiv

[pastel onyx]

shiv

[bold drum]

toxic blade

[gray crest]

@thorn fjord ready to be disappointed? Im working from home today just to not get the eggnog ring in vault today

[uncut echo]

Shiv

[raven knoll]

Shiv

[winter gale]

I watched endwyr’s Rasza kill. We don’t use CDs during intermission?

[thorn fjord]

Today is the day brother

[uncut echo]

What use would they serve

Sin is dogshit on raz

You need them for p2

[winter gale]

Good good

[thorn fjord]

Missed timing a 20 rlp on dk last night by 80 seconds @spice spire 😩

[gray crest]

I need to find a gif to post if i dont get the ring. I already know what to post if i do get it

[uncut echo]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-meme-stare-staring-gif-27529560

[thorn fjord]

Believe and achieve

[subtle tundra]

Wtf my guild wants an alt for splits

Next tier

I didn't really vibe with feral

And I don't have a pally leveled

[green juniper]

s priest it is..

[thorn fjord]

Got a dk?

[subtle tundra]

Hmm it's lvl 47

It's better than lvl 7 pally tho

[thorn fjord]

Just wait for next time walking and get to work

DK for splits seems solid

[subtle tundra]

I love the frost theme

[rugged wren]

I've read the FAQ but its still not clear to me if you have Dragon-Tempered talent which lethal poison do you use? I have amp talent is its Amp + ? (instant of deadly)

[thorn fjord]

Deadly amp crip and whichever you take between MN and atrop

[rugged wren]

ok thnx

[uncut echo]

Imagine alting

????

[thorn fjord]

With TW its so not that bad

Took me 2 weeks to get my DK to 404

Gonna try pugging mythic with it this week

[uncut echo]

Good luck

[thorn fjord]

Would you like to bless my box today

[uncut echo]

How many keys + raid kills

I'll call it rn

[thorn fjord]

7 Mythic kills 1 20

[tepid bough]

hey, not a rogue player, but how many seconds of pull should I compare to check gains from PI for assa rogue, compared to other classes? I know that for warlock I need to take first 30-ish seconds since during PI he's mostly ramping imps, but how it is with Assa?

[green juniper]

so I thought Assa was the best for CoS because lots of ST.. apparently people kicking you and ask you to play sub or outlaw..

[thorn fjord]

OL pretty good for CoS

Sin works tho

[uncut echo]

424 dagger 421 helm 415 terros neck 421 hunger of the pack

[thorn fjord]

Wow

😦

Thanks Ms Cleo

[uncut echo]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[royal lantern]

what wr do you play again

[green juniper]

can I have eranog ring pls drop god

[spice spire]

Spriest speaking 🤨

[spice spire]

Death check

[thorn fjord]

it was unfortunate....

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

76?

[royal lantern]

allright, then i can atleast somewhat understand it

thought you will say wr 300now, cus then split runs is just giga cringe

[subtle tundra]

Buddy I'm varas

[spice spire]

Embodiment of cringe

Respect his name

[royal lantern]

do you think i know the WR of every single RH regular

seli is around 70-100, thats all i know

[upbeat needle]

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852

[subtle tundra]

im not just a "regular"

wow

how dare you

insult me

i think i put too much baking powder? in my mug cake

it was hella raisin

its not sweet and its omega fluffly

zamn

[thorn fjord]

wth is a mug cake

[subtle tundra]

whats a mug

what is a cake

do the math

when you put them together

[upbeat needle]

literally cake in a mug

fr fr

no bs

[royal lantern]

and then there is me, juping bettwen wr 350 and 2000, every single tier

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-the-office-andy-bernard-gif-11765843

[upbeat needle]

just don't raid

ez

[royal lantern]

based and real

[thorn fjord]

A disaster?

[spice spire]

Mug cake ez

[uncut echo]

Havent touched that character since that night

[spice spire]

[nocturne current]

Yeah Sin is.. confusing in Court. In one hand IC does decent damage but there's not enough use of it, in the other hand ST is okay, but without IC it falls way too behind.

So you'll be sucking at either ST or AoE, pick one, haha.

Which means in the end of the dungeon you're shit in overall either way haha

[gaunt moat]

haha

[nocturne current]

Like, I tried to make a weird IC/DTB build without taking fans and going for lightweight shiv but still.. it's too bad.

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry, our tier set is gonna be great. for sure.

[spice spire]

IC actually applies 8 ruptures on one target

Trust

[nocturne current]

I never tried AP/DTB tho, maybe it might be even more viable in court than IC to be honest.

[sour wraith]

Doubled to 16 during DM

[nocturne current]

But I only wanted IC for the mass silence on the imps

[gaunt moat]

i was just gonna say that

[nocturne current]

Well, it works until 23 atleast

[uncut echo]

IMAGINE

[gaunt moat]

I bet it's gonna be something like..
2p - DM lasts 5 seconds longer.
4p - bleed and poisons deal 20% more damage

[spice spire]

Don’t

[uncut echo]

I'd like that

[spice spire]

What is a fucking poison

Does this include envenom?! Or doesn’t it

[stiff frost]

I run the single target build in Court not enough big pulls for IC to really be worth

[unreal bear]

IC and iron wire is nice for imps if you dont have cc for it

[gaunt moat]

in general iron wire is amazing with IC

[nocturne current]

Yeah I tried the single target build also, but then, there wasn't enough ST either to be good on it haha

There's still a chunk of AoE but, kinda sucks both ways.

Idk, I'm done with Court

[uncut echo]

Rework all tooltips to follow MTG logic, none of this assumed bullshit

[unreal bear]

for everything else there's sub

[uncut echo]

Classify spells in tooltips

[spice spire]

That’s even worse

Priority

Splice into arcane?!

[uncut echo]

If zoldyck says poisons, and envenom is classified into poison

Zoldyck buffs envenom

[gaunt moat]

Classify which is a poison and which is a toxin

[thorn fjord]

Give this woman a job!

[nocturne current]

Do you mean LETHAL poison?

[uncut echo]

Idk I was a judge and deciphering MTG was a joke for me

This seems basic

[spice spire]

No I mean mastery effects envenom. But Zoldyck’s doesn’t.
They both say poison

This is a common theme

[uncut echo]

Yup.

[nocturne current]

I know I know, I was joking about Kinglsayer's

[uncut echo]

Lethality not functioning on shadowstrike for sub

[unreal bear]

"what is a poison" is actually the design philosophy for the spec

that's why they do no damage

[spice spire]

Real

[gaunt moat]

Does zoldyck just say poisons or "applied"

[nocturne current]

My favorite is Spesis

[uncut echo]

Sepsis is an infection

[nocturne current]

Infect the target's blood, ye, but infect with what, poison, disease, bacteria? xD

[spice spire]

Generally Bacteria

[nocturne current]

It's actually a poison LOL

[uncut echo]

My sheer force of will is curdlinf their blood

[spice spire]

But yeah same shut

[unreal bear]

i think their logic is Nature damage for rogue is poison

but not all nature damage

[uncut echo]

But poisons don't cause sepsis

Infections and bacterium do

[nocturne current]

[spice spire]

Yeah and a kidney shot with a dagger would kill you

I think irl logic out the window here

[unreal bear]

that's why the icon is a fist

and it does no damage

[uncut echo]

Kidney shot is canonically a punch

[green juniper]

lil bleed damage with a talnet

[spice spire]

Either way

[gaunt moat]

Gouge should leave you perma blind

[uncut echo]

Quaker

[unreal bear]

you know what i wish

[gusty mirage]

That someone would kidney shot me with a dagger? Cause same

[unreal bear]

i wish Scent of Blood was cool

[nocturne current]

I thought a garrote was some sort of slash through the back or some knife wound but it's actually Iron Wire.

[uncut echo]

Oxi, no

Bad

[gusty mirage]

You’re not my real mom

[spice spire]

I’ll kidney shot you with my dagger ya feel

[uncut echo]

https://tenor.com/view/acebking-ace-spraying-spray-gif-17671332

[uncut echo]

Would you like me to be?

[unreal bear]

Scent of Blood looks really cool on tooltip, then you're frantically looking for mobs to put rupture on

[thorn fjord]

How the fuck am i supposed to be expected to work for the next 30 years

[uncut echo]

I'm tryna build a plater profile that turns mobs a pretty color when they're ruptured

[uncut echo]

:3

[unreal bear]

i need to get pandemic glow on my plater

[uncut echo]

I've played runescape for 4 hours on the clock

[unreal bear]

i work in automation, so 90% of my day is not working

[green juniper]

I did nothing today..

[thorn fjord]

Im hungry and want donuts but we have pastry's for the cleaning lady that we cant touch for another 2 ours

hours

[nocturne current]

Did anyone ever calculated the time limit where Sepsis ever comes ahead of SBS in single target? Or it's like, never?

[gusty mirage]

[unreal bear]

didnt someone argue with whispyr about SBS being affected by exsang

lol

[green juniper]

I was looking for like whats sepsis.. never tried let me see how it loks when you use

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[unreal bear]

fuck yeah

[spice spire]

Exsang on sbs

[unreal bear]

that's the buff we need, exsanging an infinite bleed that crashes the server

[spice spire]

Real ones remember that PTR

[gusty mirage]

Exsang me

[unreal bear]

bring us to m+ or we crash server

[nocturne current]

I mean, Sepsis can't be that far off from SBS in short fights.

[hardy dagger]

Exang no cd

[nocturne current]

SBS splash - Muti for combo point value and then, + improved garrote, etc.

[spice spire]

Until you remember three charges of sbs are available at the beginning

[hardy dagger]

Assa to the moon

[nocturne current]

Yeah but the charges don't stack so the value ain't that high.

It's still splash minus whatever you would use, muti I guess.

[green juniper]

ngl sepsis looks cool

[royal lantern]

what

[unreal bear]

SBS getting faster every exsang cast

would be hot

[green juniper]

[uncut echo]

Sepsis could be so awesome

[unreal bear]

details would have me at 90% damage from SBS on Raz

[royal lantern]

sepsis:dot, you can use 1x ambush when its over

SO COOL

[uncut echo]

Nah, make it rogue living bomb

It'd be based

[nocturne current]

SBS deals about, 10k more than muti.

[green juniper]

if sepsis's effect would be like your next envenom is 2x instead of let us use ambush would be cool I guess

[nocturne current]

Ye it's pretty significant lol

[unreal bear]

only annoying thing about SBS is the travel time to get CP

[uncut echo]

Sbs is trash design

Here's a cp builder that's a lil more efficient than your main builder

[spice spire]

You shut your mouth

Sbs is my son

[uncut echo]

Use intermittently

[unreal bear]

don't cap it hehe

[royal lantern]

you can say terros lmao

[uncut echo]

Make me

[nocturne current]

SBS in Sennarth is a meme.

[unreal bear]

i was doing sennarth last night

[nocturne current]

I go make a coffee and SBS hasn't hit yet

[unreal bear]

oh but also use Ambush when Blindside procs

teehee

[spice spire]

This is pinned

[nocturne current]

You can almost SBS in Sennarth, do a full env rotation and combo points appear almost in the next rotation

[uncut echo]

I like blindside

[spice spire]

I do miss deathspike tho

[unreal bear]

blindside is fun

[uncut echo]

DEATHSPIKE AHHHHH

GAMER TIME

[unreal bear]

when you're starved of energy and blindside procs it feels good

or when blindside procs another blindside

🌰

[nocturne current]

I feel like SBS is a Warlock spell and not a rogue one.

[upbeat needle]

deathspike shoulda been baked into sbs

tbh

[spice spire]

I miss old blindside

[uncut echo]

Yellow name saying deathspike should be baked in

That's so true bestie

[spice spire]

Where you dispatched instead of ambushed

[uncut echo]

Ok boomer

[spice spire]

Listen homie

ToT was one of my favorite raids of all time

[ember mural]

Dispatch is an outlaw ability

[spice spire]

It wasn’t in MoP

[unreal bear]

i wonder what the worst possible spec is

[spice spire]

It was a based execute

[ember mural]

Boomer (metoo)

The only thing I remember from MoP was having 9 different defensives

[spice spire]

Same :^)

[royal lantern]

i had 4 ambush into ambush procs once

and it was NOT during execute phase

[spice spire]

I thoroughly enjoyed execute in mop sin

Also @ember mural are you raiding tonight, if not wanna key

[spice spire]

Real

[royal lantern]

[shrewd night]

@gusty mirage What, you dont want the cursed timeline back with sepsis, then vanish for omegablast the last secods of the debuff??

[vestal wren]

sepsis gives access to ambush too

[frigid pilot]

Checkin out this sick rogue named leyru on logs

Then finding out all his parses have power infusion

Why is this shit still in the game

How many surveys do we still have to fill out for dumbass wclogs to blacklist that shit

[keen spruce]

you can filter it

[shrewd night]

Go Shmeeps