assassination

[steel ridge]

Mine is 417

[subtle tundra]

Luckily I have a 380 feral with 2pc,even more luckily I don't feel like playing the game

[gaunt moat]

my is.. level 46 😆

[spare crow]

Specs gotta be enjoyable to play first and foremost

that's my take

playing with 2 less talent points is not very enjoyable

[subtle tundra]

Buddy never changing our class tree is not enjoyable

[spare crow]

also being forced down a single buildpath cause they throw random nerfs out of the blue defies the purpose of this new talent system

[oak sky]

find weakness, nightstalker, lethality

[spare crow]

lethality doesn't even proc on shadowstrike crits does it

[oak sky]

nope

[spare crow]

yet another bullshit

[storm onyx]

Or MA, couse Assa might get dance ….

[steel ridge]

dance in classtree is and has always been hot garbage

[spare crow]

wow dance assa sounds so dangerous for the meta!!!

Whatever can we do!!

[steel ridge]

that was established in beta and is still confirmed

[spare crow]

^^^

[steel ridge]

the only person that likes dance is guy

for whatever reason

[spare crow]

Should be baseline for sub and the 2nd dance point should belong to sub tree

right class tree wing full rework

i'm down for it

[oak sky]

bad luck protection basically

like it does function on outlaw

[steel ridge]

Only because FW is god tier

[spare crow]

^

[storm onyx]

I did some BGs with it and was fun, none expexts you to throw CS around, but pve ….

[steel ridge]

without FW you wouldnt take it

[oak sky]

its really good for proc poverty

i think outlaw would be fine without it but

its definitely valid to like having bad luck protection on a luck based spec

but i do think guy is really hard headed about the fact that its a problem for sin and sub

[balmy condor]

anyone have any smart ideas on how I can double my aoe damage without losing single target on raz

[oak sky]

whatever you do dont swap sub

[balmy condor]

thats the goal

[storm onyx]

If they had wanted Assa to care of class dance node, they would have made FW affect poisons or something spec isolated

[oak sky]

then it wouldnt really be fw

[steel ridge]

Loot boon

[balmy condor]

doesn't help, boon is better on sub than sin to begin with

just L's

[steel ridge]

why is boon better on sub?

[balmy condor]

because puzzle box exists

[steel ridge]

so its the same, but box is worse on sub

[storm onyx]

Get 50 crit and pray for FoK crits?

[steel ridge]

100% pb proc rate

[unreal bear]

im late but god damn i love this

[subtle tundra]

Umm mmmmm whispyr

Play outlaw

🤓

[steel ridge]

banned

[spare crow]

I only saw whisp play outlaw on dragonflight prepatch ptr

it was on kurog or smth

and he was like WHERE THE F AM I GETTING ALL THESE CPs FROM?

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

I'm just gonna put numbers on it for the sake of argument, not the actual dps, but like if puzzle box is 10%, and grieftorch is 8%, you're gonna replace the grieftorch with a boon right.

But on sub, you got like incarnate icon or whatever, which is 6%, and grief is 8%, you're replacing the incarnate icon

so you're just straight up losing more for assassination equipping it

because you're losing bigger stuff in order to run it

[subtle tundra]

U smart

Play another class

[steel ridge]

i do get the concept, its just that boon itself is the same and i wanted to nag you

[balmy condor]

I'm nagged enough that I just pressed n, sub, left click

and doubled my intermission damage

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

I didn't have kick on my stealth bars

just so we're aware

of how prepared I am

to play sub

[steel ridge]

i saw you play sub on painsmith

you’re set

[spare crow]

[past bobcat]

Can't you just go sin and focus ST on the big ads that need to die

[oak sky]

but did you see him play outlaw?

[balmy condor]

no because I need to also kick

and by the time I have the kick handled

and the dots up

the shield is already broken

[oak sky]

i mean tbh

theyll probably swap you back to sin anyways

[past bobcat]

I mean the ads arent insanely hard

sin damage will be insane on shields

on P2

and P3

[balmy condor]

sub damage on shields is good

[drowsy creek]

In a 6+ target situation, should I dump cps into crimson over envenom even if the targets are very compact to all get hit by poison bombs?

[balmy condor]

in that situation you can do whatever you want

[steel ridge]

make sure ct is running tho

[drowsy creek]

The dps is similar then?

[balmy condor]

yes

[steel ridge]

and then change specs cause wth

[balmy condor]

you can spam CT, spam env, alternate them for all I care

it's all equal

[steel ridge]

protest

[past bobcat]

Nah I would stay Sin

The shield damage during P2 would be insane

and the execute?

[drowsy creek]

I guess it's easier to just spam ct

[balmy condor]

aight well, you kill my intermission adds then

[past bobcat]

Have the sub rogue do it

[balmy condor]

that would be me

[past bobcat]

Is ur comp AOE or ST heavy? We have sub and sin rogue and are progging int and the sin rogue just goes full ST

[balmy condor]

we play BM and aff

so I guess ST

[drifting cloud]

yeah no shiot because you dont have a choice as sin lol

[balmy condor]

but it's 1 rogue

and I'm the rogue

and I play sin

and we struggle on intermission

and I swap sub for 3 pulls

do equal single target

and double the aoe dps

[past bobcat]

Could be just swap sub or swap someone else to sides. But yeah sub fucks on int

[balmy condor]

can't swap sides

cause they don't have dps either

[drifting cloud]

bm can do big intermission but costs alot of st

[past bobcat]

Do you guys still struggle when you swap to Sub

[oak tangle]

i heard shadow priest is getting a rework, they might be good for that fight

[oak sky]

the rework comes out in 10.1

[wind dune]

almost like it only takes 4 talent points for their aoe xd

[drifting cloud]

still 3 more than sub

[steel ridge]

Sub aoe is 2 points

[drifting cloud]

you dont play nado on rasz

[steel ridge]

imp storm

[oak sky]

sub rearranging 3 talent points to play exactly the same

[oak tangle]

just wait until assass has an entire rework, and still plays the same

[oak sky]

its not getting reworked bro

[steel ridge]

It plays a little different with the first dance

[oak sky]

yeah you switch the order of 2 buttons

[oak tangle]

i need to do the trick i'm trying to drip sarcasm but text things

[past bobcat]

Because if you still struggle even after swapping to Sub then it doesnt matter sin or sub

[balmy condor]

just call them monkeys like I do and have them cry about it cause they still don't get it

[steel ridge]

[oak tangle]

they'll remove shiv from the spec, and we'd still just hit it on cd and not play around it

[balmy condor]

here's a question

[gaunt moat]

IT IS.
(in 12.0)

[balmy condor]

how much do you think they need to buff shiv

in order for us to do more than press it on cd

[oak tangle]

i don't think shiv needs a change as much as the stuff around it needs to interact better

[balmy condor]

I'm thinking like 80% nature damage

probably does it

[oak sky]

we just need more passives that give slight gameplay changes bro

[drifting cloud]

sorry best I can do is 3rd shadowpriest rework

[oak sky]

thats about it i think

[drifting cloud]

in the same tier

[balmy condor]

this expansion?

[oak tangle]

start by baking in the bleed increase from AP as baseline

[gaunt moat]

you know there's gonna be a guardian rework..

[drifting cloud]

atleast guardian deserves one

[oak tangle]

and let it snapshot

[oak sky]

thats just another passive effect that doesnt change anything

[drifting cloud]

the attention spriest is getting makes no sense

some guy on the board probably doesnt enjoy current iteration

[oak sky]

theyre just making it ranged outlaw

lmao

[steel ridge]

Wouldn’t change a thing about applying it on cd

[oak tangle]

i should really type all my thoughts in one post. but adding in the bleed increase and allowing snapshot should go together

[steel ridge]

Tigers fury?

[oak sky]

literally

[steel ridge]

god no

[oak sky]

most ideas people have just steal from feral or steal from sub

nobody actually wants a unique spec

they just want everything perceived as strong on one spec

[oak tangle]

our class identity is literally built around empowering a bleed wdym

[gaunt moat]

Maybe if TTB wouldn't be a meme and increase nature damage further

[steel ridge]

TTB is supposed to be a meme

[oak sky]

ttb doesnt really do anything like

its just

shiv hit harder

[oak tangle]

poisons are flavour text, bleeds is the class

[gaunt moat]

hits harder, but still not close to blindside

[oak sky]

i mean idk

[oak tangle]

we need something that gives us a actual rotation window. (kinda how we have now with our 4 min exsang bs) but on a shorter cd than 4 mins. or some method to allow us to control our damage profile

[oak sky]

i would rather ttb do a houdini

[oak sky]

oh like

kingsbane

[oak tangle]

what part of KB is a rotation other than saving shiv charges

[oak sky]

what part of exsang is a rotation other than clipping bleeds

[oak tangle]

ER > rup > van + gar > exs > dm

you literally have a preparing sequence and cast order

[oak sky]

dm>envenom>kb>shiv

you literally have a cast order

[oak tangle]

ok dude

👍

[gaunt moat]

Vendetta kinda used to be that. you wanted to push whatever damage into that window.
DM does it in a different way.
But basically DM is the "rotation window"

with exsang at least.
otherwise there's not too much to do in it

[oak tangle]

Dm would be more interesting if it had a variable cd, and based on the time on cd it lasts longer or something

but yeah outside exsang, it's basically a fire and forget spell outside of vanish garroting

[balmy condor]

reapplying poisons during deathmark extends deathmark by 0.2 seconds

[storm onyx]

KB would need to count for that too

[gaunt moat]

full haste build

[balmy condor]

probably makes haste not a mediocre stat yeah

maybe then we can lob like 10apm off the top

and tell people to get haste

so they can cope

that haste increases apm significantly

wins all around

[gaunt moat]

Sure, if you also make WF a sin baseline

[balmy condor]

99 problems with sin on the wall, 99 problems with sin, you take one down, you fix it around, 107 problems with sin on the wall

[oak sky]

[solid mica]

They have 4 more things to gut from pvp before they get around to it.

[kind talon]

What about deathmark lasts for 20 seconds but instead of being a bleed it makes you deal more damage during the duration and instead of duplicating your bleeds it makes them tick faster

We could do like a 20% damage amp

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

what if it was 30%

[balmy condor]

suspicious vendetta+exsang combination mr badcoffee

[drifting cloud]

what the highest simming build without dm

[kind talon]

You mean sepulcher of the first ones

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[kind talon]

Subtlety

[storm onyx]

if we are wilding on ideas

Blindside awards a free Mut and shaves X secs off DM+Vanish Cds

[oak sky]

cdr

[kind talon]

If we are wilding on ideas - zoldyck makes us instantly kill the boss when it’s below 10% hp

[oak sky]

[storm onyx]

Dont think Blizz wants to bestow a true execute to anyone

[slow tulip]

hi bois, wanted to ask - ive played outlaw till now, but for the last boss im gonna switch to assa or sub, so my Q is do you thing assa will be better, considering we only need boss dmg, since we have enough aoe for adds, esp how good assa is at last phase or stick to sub?

thx in advance

[oak sky]

if you only need boss damage assassination is probably a better choice than sub

sub is good on shields and p1 intermission

and p2 intermission as well i suppose

[slow tulip]

thank you 🙏🏻

[drifting cloud]

bold assumption thatyou will ahve enough aoe tho

[gaunt moat]

and sin will net you better execution

[slow tulip]

is the assa / sub gear interchangable? cirs mastery on both or ?

[oak sky]

mostly

[slow tulip]

cuz if so i can switch sub if we struggle on adds or smt

[oak sky]

vers is a little worse on sin compared to sub and haste is a little better

but still crit mastery

[oak sky]

yep

[drifting cloud]

its usually better to do otherway around, start sub and if youre somehow truly deleting i1 where you can swap and its not noticable

[vestal wren]

it is cit mastery mostly due to haste becomming worse in multi target

can be that haste has higher value in st than mastery

[drifting cloud]

but I guess the next set of nerfs might delete the phase because other than boss hp not even sure what they can even nerf anymore

[slow tulip]

i guess ill optimize / recraft the gear for assa in mind then

but will have to ability to play sub either

[oak sky]

you shouldnt have to recraft anything

crafted pieces will still be fine as crit mastery

[oak tangle]

i'm telling you, make DM like old monk ToD / Totm

[slow tulip]

i have like 7 crafted items for law - crit vers

[oak sky]

oh right you came from outlaw

might be better as crit mastery then for sure

for both specs

[oak tangle]

assa / sub is pretty much identical stats, crit / mast assa, mast / crit sub

[vestal wren]

crit is always main stat for the spec

[slow tulip]

thank you for the info - was really helpful

😛

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs do want a high amount of crit first

[gaunt moat]

i thought outlaw was vers

[slow tulip]

crit > vers ye

[royal lantern]

everyone has seal fate now

aka crit is bis

[gaunt moat]

ah, that's true

[vestal wren]

subtlety: crit > mastery >= vers > haste
assassination: crit > mastery = haste > vers
outlaw: crit > vers > mastery > haste

[slow tulip]

is there a treshhold for how much haste is good for assa ?

is needed*

[vestal wren]

but:
subtlety/outlaw: haste is rly bad
outlaw: mastery can be good but still seems to be fairly bad
assassination: even the worse stat is not extremely far behind

[vestal wren]

nothing needed

[thorny aurora]

Wish outlaw was crit mastery as well 😢 so I wouldn't feel guilty playing it

[vestal wren]

you could sim it, mastery isn't a terrible stat

[winter gale]

I feel like I am doing something wrong in my rotation, some small difference from what should be done and I am losing dps. Or rather, I cant push dps I should with my gear. On Terros I am doing 73-75k, isn’t that fight as close to a patchwerk as it can be?

And I am simming 89k

That difference is huge

I cant find out what, nothing I can think of

I should shiv into envenoms, right?

And always have Energy OR Tea for those situations

I also refresh Garrote+Rupture insta when Vanish/DM is ready

[burnt latch]

Post a log and someone will maybe have time to look at it

Hard to say anything without knowing how u press your buttons

[winter gale]

No matter how long existing one is

Will do

[oak tangle]

this is not right

[oak tangle]

this is also not right

[winter gale]

Was there a page for that, I think too many ppl were posting logs

[oak tangle]

this is also incorrect

whilst if they line up you do use it, you should not beholding for it

[winter gale]

So I do wait for existing garrote+rupture to tick to their usual refresh timers and then refresh + DM?

[oak tangle]

you want to dm on cd, and you would probably refresh garrote, but there is no need to refresh rupture

[winter gale]

I do refresh garrote with vanish I

But then rupture can go normally?

Ok, thats a thing

[oak sky]

just dm when it comes up and refresh bleeds when they need to be refreshed

when vanish comes up instantly refresh garrote

[winter gale]

Ok

I also never use shiv if i am without cp builded

[oak sky]

just send shiv

shiv on cd always

its ok to try to preplan and have combo points going in

but if you don't you can just use it

[winter gale]

Usually i delay for sec or two to make it be 5th or 6th cp

Y

And I feel not ok if shiv is used to spend on refreshing rupture

[oak tangle]

Link a log if you have

[winter gale]

Will do

[oak sky]

its totally fine to refresh rupture during shiv

its also ok for shiv to not be 5th or 6th cp

always better to use shiv so you don't end up losing casts by wasting time

[oak tangle]

A lot of the time I use shiv as a way to reach a low anima charged cp

[oak sky]

yeah that works as well

[winter gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VjagFJxLBzTY3CHm#fight=25&type=summary&source=26

I appreciate the help guys, I am aware I am doing small mistakes, mostly few of them which in summary ends up with me losing dps

This is one of the pools, dunno was it before opener changes

[oak sky]

bro

dont exsang your deathmark

DO NOT

that bricks your damage

hard

[oak tangle]

do you usually use puzzle there in opener? and yeah you should swap thsoe 2

[winter gale]

I exsang before dm

[winter gale]

Most likely I messed that up in the opener, I know it’s exsang 1st

[oak sky]

yeah thats ok

but it definitely lost you a ton of damage

[oak tangle]

i am unsure if it did, but you may have overwritten your garrote here

[winter gale]

Oepenr is not a problem usually 😂, that was pure mistake I did and am a aware of it

[oak sky]

yeah no worries with that

[oak tangle]

depends if vanish got ripped by a dot

[winter gale]

One garrote on vanish is enough?

[oak sky]

yeah you want to vanish then immediately garrote

[oak tangle]

no it's more cause of the time between the dot ticks from terros might have started your subterfuge early

[winter gale]

I ALWAYS vanish 2 garrotes for 6cp into rupture and then DM

[oak tangle]

it's 3 seconds from vanish dissapearing not from the garrote

[oak sky]

you only need to refresh right before exsang

or in pandemic

like theres no need to force refreshes

[winter gale]

So I jusy plazy and press DM

Vanish garrote if aligned

[oak sky]

you vanish garrote whenever it comes up

[winter gale]

And rupture when its needed

[oak sky]

then you dm whenever it comes up

and rupture as needed

[winter gale]

Ok

[oak tangle]

you can double garrote, like it is nice cp gen, but in that particular instance i think you would have lost the garrote buff for the second cast

[oak sky]

but before exsang, you always want to garrote and rupture

[winter gale]

Yes

[oak sky]

so like here you didnt garrote

shouldve had a garrote leading into exsang

[oak tangle]

oh, also save exsang for 4 mins

not on cd

[winter gale]

There I also didnt align 2nd exsang on 4th min

[oak sky]

i mean yeah

technically you miss a cast if you dont exsang on 3 mins though

so if you know you get another cast at 6 mins you can exsang+puzzle box

[oak tangle]

also with your puzzle usage

use it before rup or garrote or after deathmark

[winter gale]

I use box before dm

[oak sky]

also your deathmarks are coming up like really late

[winter gale]

Yes

Bad

[oak sky]

i think you actually lost a cast

[winter gale]

So box after

[oak sky]

a good rule of thumb is always exsang and puzzle box together and sync with dm

[winter gale]

Yes, I was using it on 3min for a while and then Whispyr told me not to when we spoke here

[oak tangle]

you damage is loaded into dm and exsang, so you don't want to desync the time between them too much. your dot duration also directly effects exsang, so you dont want to puzzle inbetween dot applications and pressing deathmark

[oak sky]

outside the cd stuff it doesnt look too bad though

you didnt lose any shiv or er casts as far as i can tell and your uptimes look good

[winter gale]

To sum it up, for DM I do not refresh, just use it and then Vanish/Garrote when it comes up. Shiv whenever ready, even for hitting those ER combo points. Refresh for Exsang though. Puzzlebox AFTER DM, align 2nd Exsang with Vanish/DM on 4th min unless we will be fighting on 6th minute.

[oak tangle]

is my opener on terros

[oak sky]

yep

[winter gale]

I garrote/SND/garrote/rup/ER/rup

[thorny aurora]

You don't sbs before cds?

[oak tangle]

granted i haven't done mythic, but on that one in a 4 min fight i did 82k

[oak sky]

thats totally fine

think theres a sbs in there somewhere as well

[thorny aurora]

sbs is after the last rup

[oak sky]

but switching snd and rupture doesnt really change anything

[winter gale]

Yes, sbs/vanish/garote/Exsang

I think

[oak sky]

yeah

thats it

your opener was fine besides the exsang

but i get it, it happens to everybody

[winter gale]

Yes, that is a known mistake for that particular pull, most likelz I ended up in pillars and fat fingered or something 😂

[thorny aurora]

especially on terros if you get a pillar during the opening

[winter gale]

I get 1st pillar 100% of time

But literally

[thorny aurora]

you're not doing bad dps considering you're not getting PI'd + that's a 6min kill

[oak tangle]

i use sbs more for cp gen, in that opener i env after the dm, then sbs

[winter gale]

I need to target dummy entire afternoon, maybe I will even pug HC today

[oak sky]

you want sbs up early initially for lethal dose

and its free damage

[thorny aurora]

(but i'm jealous of your windfury totem uptime, my enhance shaman is always inspecting the floor)

[winter gale]

Just to erase those bad habits from muscle memory, haha

Im a key spammer 😦

[oak sky]

all things considered i think you don't have too much to fix

shouldn't take too long

[winter gale]

Yes

Those are all minors

I can fonish the tier and not be the worst even like this

But I do want to play properly as much as I can ofc

[oak sky]

i think if you hadnt exsanged your dm by mistake your dps would've been really competitive

[winter gale]

Will bribe my priest for a PI

Where do we even sit atm?

[oak tangle]

4/5?

[winter gale]

I am always 1st on boss dmg, even on diurna where I am doing the eggs

[oak sky]

our st isn't the best out there but we're pretty near the top

[winter gale]

Or on Dathea where I am doing those platforms

[oak sky]

and when it comes to boss damage we just can't spec into aoe very well so we just end up not hitting adds while other classes spec for them which decreases their boss damage

thats why our boss damage looks good

[winter gale]

If not 1st then top 3

Yeah

[oak tangle]

i cope by filtering for boss damage on eranog

[winter gale]

We last night killed diurna

It took us 9:05

I m on egg route but 9:05 is the 4 exsanguinates

Nah, Im stupid 😂

[oak tangle]

you'd only get 3 in still

[winter gale]

3, y

3 ligned up ones

I will do that next week

[oak sky]

on diurna its always gonna be 3 exsangs

no matter what

[winter gale]

With these explanations it will be much easier

[oak sky]

so you always line up puzzle box and exsang with dm

[winter gale]

Yes

[strange python]

Could be 4 😉

[oak sky]

pretty much the only timers it would make sense to exsang between dms is 6 mins or 12 mins

[winter gale]

Yes

[oak sky]

or like

6:30 and 12:30

more accurately

[oak tangle]

4 mins too

[strange python]

Am I being too high to do math or...930 too?

You would just desync last tho I think

Unless it's like, literally 4 mins, you stay sync

[oak sky]

yeah pretty much always sync though

its rare for it to make sense not to

[winter gale]

I assumed that with 9:30ish fight you just desync em all

[oak tangle]

3:15 to 4:05 i would send it on cd

[winter gale]

But yeah, 9:05 would mean boss dead with activ exsang or not even casted due to 1st be on 10ish seconds

[oak sky]

[winter gale]

All in all I want to thank you guys!

[strange python]

Err yeah I did math bad. I think you desync at 930 but could be wrong

[oak tangle]

we need to stay strong as a spec

[strange python]

Whispyr had mentioned that the value of syncing 3 was higher than the loss of a desynced cast

[winter gale]

Really nice from you all to check and help like this!

[strange python]

But idk if any math was done

[oak sky]

yeah its no trouble, a lot of us are happy to help anytime

make sure to come back if you have any questions later

[winter gale]

Stay well and stay strong!

[oak tangle]

time to go pug heroic and chase 99's

[winter gale]

Was about to say that I will surely come back, haha 😂

[odd dew]

How does assassination go in next seasons dungeons? and how what trinkets are we looking to grab

[balmy condor]

we'll find out in like 3 months when the patch actually comes out

10.0.7 isn't even on live servers yet for another 2 weeks

trying to talk about 10.1 is a waste of time at this point

[oak tangle]

yeah we might even have patch notes by 10.1

[oak sky]

One line of text would be nice

[slim hamlet]

Man can't wait for exsang to use vanish in 10.1

[burnt latch]

I was thrilled about the kick change, was great to see rogues getting some love and attention

[steel ridge]

what

[oak sky]

[burnt latch]

[slim hamlet]

This was cope

[steel ridge]

sounded more like a stroke

[faint birch]

guys, how do you sync exsa and box with other cooldowns? or you dont sync it, you sync it in the opener and then you use them as they come by?

[balmy condor]

every 4 minutes with deathmark

you basically just copy paste the opener

[faint birch]

yeah but vanish and deathmark comes off 1 minute before the exsa/box, so you leave exsa/box up and wait for deathmark again?

[balmy condor]

yep

deathmark/vanish every 2 minutes

box/exsang every 4

[faint birch]

yeah

thanks mate

[balmy condor]

np

[winter gale]

I spoke to ppl this morning but forget to ask this…if I am copy/pasting opener, do I still wait for garrote/rupture to get into the refresh timers or I go for CD’s insta, as soon as they are up?

[balmy condor]

you can just send it

[winter gale]

Good, ty

[balmy condor]

np

[winter gale]

And ER rupture before Exsang?

If it’s aligned*

[royal lantern]

yes

should be alinged by default

er is 1min cd, exsang 3min

like, you use ER every 1min anyway, it alings by default without doing anything

[winter gale]

Is ER rupture correct if its refreshed by non empowered combo?

Like, 5th or 6th CP

Or I use ER without already existing CP?

[balmy condor]

ER is 45 seconds

they don't align when you hold for 4 min

[balmy condor]

not sure I get the question

you can refresh them either way

ER combo points just count for 7cp

but the rules are all the same

just as if it's a 5cp rupture

or a 6cp

or any other cp

[winter gale]

If I have 2-3 CP before ER it sometimes goes to 5-6 CP, ones that are not empowered

If I am right

[balmy condor]

only 2-3-4, yes

your UI will show the slots as blue

those are the empowered ones

[winter gale]

If I use ER and then rupture with nonempowered CP is it okeish

Thats what I meant, IF you get me now

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

[winter gale]

If not then its good again 😂

[balmy condor]

ER doesn't line up for the 4 min

when you use exsang again

[winter gale]

Great!

[balmy condor]

so you kinda have to use a 5 or 6cp rupture

[winter gale]

Less to think about

[hot goblet]

Whats the command to start a Log review thread again please? 🙂

[balmy condor]

doesn't exist anymore

[hot goblet]

oh. fair enough 😄

[balmy condor]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[hot goblet]

oooo

didn't realise analyzer had been updated 😄

[royal lantern]

wait whuuuuut

you are trolling me rn right

[balmy condor]

no

it's been 45 seconds since it was added

it's never been 1 min

[royal lantern]

[raven knoll]

lol

[royal lantern]

my brain cant handle that information

[balmy condor]

it just so happens that 45 seconds lined up with 45 second exsang

and 3 minutes

is 45*4

so it still lined up

but now we hold for 4 min

and 4 min doesn't line up

cause 4 min isn't 45*5

[hot goblet]

Long and short of it is I missed a vanish and a deathmark I think :D. Still doesn't explain my dps is so low >.<

[balmy condor]

I mean

that's a pretty big loss

[hot goblet]

7% energy wastage as well. Looking at the rest though, it doesn't look like i deserve a 14% parse :D. Improved on last week though, so thats something

[balmy condor]

can you send the wowa link

[hot goblet]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/kqahTYQdjp8KBXA7/10-Mythic+Terros+-+Kill+(6:03)/Dezzick/standard/overview

[balmy condor]

I'll take a peak if it's missing something

[hot goblet]

I need to practice my opener more, and move my vanish binding, I know that much, always struggle to find it whilst running around for the first awakened earth

[balmy condor]

yikes that is some gear

[hot goblet]

Yeh I know :D. Working on that too lol

I guess on that statistics page, the DPS Percentage, is that percentage of theretical maximum?

theoretical *

[oak tangle]

have you heard of my friend mythic plus

[hot goblet]

I was pretty late getting started tbh, and only recently started doing 20s, then got sick for a couple of weeks, so my playtime went down a lot!

[oak tangle]

damn, but craft yoself a dagger mans

[balmy condor]

this is a sub-optimal opener technically, would try to start avoiding it unless you really need the timing

you also really should tea way earlier in deathmark

you also didn't pandemic your rupture before the next exsang

that's an issue

[hot goblet]

Thats a mistake on my part, I was messing with my macros this week, and forgot that thistle tea wasn't jsut energy. Been trying to avoid wasting energy with it, forgetting that it also increases mastery

[balmy condor]

but I think this mostly comes down to just kinda horrid gear and some misplaced cooldowns

I think the echoing reprimands you missed are of far greater concern than the couple of oddities in your deathmark windows

[oak tangle]

can i raid with your guild, i need to find a mythic community so i don't have to leave my social guild

[winter gale]

One so stupid question

Do I refresh AT or Inside refreshing timers?

I do it at

[balmy condor]

(also should really work on getting that energy waste down, I know it says it's okay, but "okay" means not great)

[balmy condor]

the fuck is at

[oak tangle]

he means the word at

[balmy condor]

oh

2am will do that to me

anytime in pandemic is fine

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

in the example given, you can refresh at any point from 0 to 5.4 remaining on the garrote

and it's dps neutral

the only place it matters is for exsang, where you want to max it out regardless

[oak tangle]

you can't gain uptime by any option

[hot goblet]

Thanks a lot Whispyr :). Honestly, wow analyzer being updated is huge, + your review, I know what UI changes I need to make to help focus on the bits im missing 🙂

[balmy condor]

so vanish -> garrote will give you 23.4 second garrote

that's the juice for exsang

otherwise any time in pandemic

[flint tusk]

lel. i know ilvl parses are wank and sin is bad on kurog but damn man. also this is wipe so it's duff info anyway just found it funny

[balmy condor]

np

[winter gale]

And what are exact pandemic numbers?

[balmy condor]

^

[winter gale]

Maybe my luxthos is outdated, will check that up

[balmy condor]

luxthos one should start glowing

[winter gale]

It does

[balmy condor]

yeh

so anytime in the glow

you refresh

[winter gale]

Great

[balmy condor]

as long as you don't let it drop

[oak tangle]

sub optimal you can just assume like 7 seconds for rupture refresh, obviously it changes based on the cp you have'

[balmy condor]

yeh

[winter gale]

I could/should squeeze some envenoms during pandemic if I know I will be able to refresh before it drops

[oak tangle]

no reason to do that, may as well refresh and do them after

[winter gale]

I guess that is situational

Yeah

That is just risking I guess

[raven knoll]

When empowered garrote do you refresh in pandemic window or let it drop?

[balmy condor]

I mean it's also not really a gain

you're not risking for any benefit

if you have an 18 second garrote

and you don't want to refresh at 4 seconds because you can envenom and then refresh at 1

you get a 19 second garrote, and an envenom

versus if you just refresh at 4, you get a 22 second garrote

then you envenom

and you're at 19 as well

it's the same result

you just swapped the casts

[oak tangle]

there is a few cases where you could consider "risking" it, but that would be something like you are in pandemic at max cp etc

[balmy condor]

empowered dots you let drop

[raven knoll]

thank you kindly

[balmy condor]

in opener you can pandemic your stealth garrote with a vanish garrote

if you're not running exsang

cause empower -> empower is fine

but if you're running exsang, you would overwrite the exsang

you basically should never overwrite any dot with a dot of a lower quality

that being exsang > imp gar > regular

so exsang'd gar -> vanish gar is no good

stealth gar no exsang -> vanish gar is fine

vanish gar -> regular gar is no good

regular gar -> regular gar obviously fine

and going the other way you would ignore pandemic

so regular gar -> imp gar is fine regardless of time remaining, cause you're empowering the cast

so for pandemic purposes, you only pandemic with something equal or lower in the list, and when you have something higher in the list available, you ignore the pandemics

[oak tangle]

what to buy for dinner on a friday night from uber eats

[winter gale]

Sim yourself

😂😂

[balmy condor]

real

foodbots.com

[oak tangle]

we going with red rooster, all you deal with not knowing what that is

[frozen jasper]

So i dont wanna refresh at exact pandemic times, what about if exsang gar is in its Last second and i slam vanish gar on top? Big differnce to Letting the first gar run out and then vanish gar?

[hot goblet]

Don't look at it, because it was awful. But I tried Primal Council as Sin this week too (usually switch to outlaw), I guess our priority is just maintaing garrote, rupture and crimson on all bosses?

[balmy condor]

if the exsang gar is in the last second you're overwriting it but it's whatever, you're fucking yourself out of like 0.4 ticks, who cares

[oak tangle]

i slapp AP for that

[balmy condor]

yeh council is AP/IC

and you just live your life maintaining everything

[oak tangle]

but also do a flat 20k more just by pressing and selecting sub

[hot goblet]

our biggest issue with Council, is we are quite a melee heavy group, and all our players appear to be on drugs or something, so I am constantly getting hit by the bloody debuff >.<

[oak tangle]

unironically sub will help alot with that

[spark scaffold]

hug the pillars

[oak tangle]

you can float much further

[frozen jasper]

Aight, but with gcd and stuff sometimes u have a second or two without running gar at all (at least thats my experience with letting it run completely and hitting other buttons at the Time) so wouldnt that be More of a loss than the 0.4 Ticks?

[balmy condor]

Sure

I mean the whole thing is completely irrelevant

[oak tangle]

exsang does 80% more right, so multiply your tick rate by 1.8 and that's how long you have to reapply

[balmy condor]

We’re talking about differences in dps nearing single digits

[frozen jasper]

Yeah i know was Just curious whats optimal in a realistic scenario

[balmy condor]

I would assume clipping the exsang

But the sims aren’t accurate to know

So how should I

[oak tangle]

what if pandemic worked like ignite

[balmy condor]

Then we would do nothing but cast rupture for 5 minutes straight

[raven knoll]

Wouldnt you just be applying dots all fight?

100k tick rupture

[oak tangle]

i mean the implementation would gimp extended empowered garrotes, but you could limit to only working like ignite if it is inside pandemic range

inside last 30% add the damage to the next duration

accomplishes same goal and you don't have to let them drop off if empowered

[balmy condor]

What would the point be

[raven knoll]

Wouldn't it be more punishing? If you reaply dots earlier you will loose that damage

[balmy condor]

You would just eliminate pandemic

And force refreshes at exactly pandemic

So instead of people not understanding pandemic and losing a bit of damage by trying to refresh at 0 and dropping their dots for a second or two

You now ensure that everyone is losing a significant portion of their damage

[oak tangle]

why would it force refresh at pandemic timer

[balmy condor]

By not refreshing garrote at 5.4

[balmy condor]

Because you suggested that you limit it to ignite in pandemic range

Ignite is a rolling dot

The closer to the refresh limit you reapply

The more ticks you get

Pandemic serves to smooth the rotation by giving you dps neutrality within a couple seconds of refreshing

[oak tangle]

true cause you'd be condensing the casts

[balmy condor]

Your suggestion is strictly MORE ticks

You would get 5.4 seconds of free garrote damage

Every time you cast it

[oak tangle]

just wondering now that i realise that, is there a way to preserve the empower in a pandemic refresh that doesn't make you do that

[balmy condor]

Sure

[oak tangle]

outside of making an empowered garrote have 2 debuffs, one at 100% and then on at the empower %

[balmy condor]

You turn improved garrote into a buff that increases garrote damage for X seconds

[oak tangle]

and only pandemic the 100%

[balmy condor]

Rather than snapshotting the bleed

So when you refresh

The buff stays

And buffs the new one

The alternative would be the same thing but less clear

Where refreshing with a normal garrote adds the empowerment damage to the new dot

So you would have to check if the current dot is stronger than the new dot

Calculate the difference

Then add that difference to the new dot

For x seconds

But it wouldn’t solve the issue of the partial tick, which is a whole can of worms I don’t wanna get into

So for the sake of argument

Turn into character buff instead of ability snapshot

And Bingo you got yourself a damage pandemic

And also an aoe buff

Two birds one stone

[oak tangle]

i don't know what to say, that sounds good

[balmy condor]

Once again proving snapshots are the fucking scourge of humanity

Amen

[winter gale]

Also, just garrote can be empowered?

[balmy condor]

Welcome to the church of snapshot bad

[balmy condor]

Well you can exsanguinate rupture

But aside from that

Nothing to be done to it

[winter gale]

Rupture gets stronger by exsang

Yes

[balmy condor]

When talking about pandemic and empowerments it’s just a lot easier and more thorough to talk about garrote

And then apply the concept back to rupture

Cause rupture you got variable durations and those all have their own pandemic

And garrote has exsang, but also imp gar

So if you can understand garrote and how pandemic works with that and exsang/imp gar

Rupture is basically already solved

[winter gale]

I was doing bad mistakes up until today

I was always refreshing all dots before DM, no matter how long they were before that

[oak tangle]

your uptimes were great though XD

[hollow dirge]

why before dm. exan would be understandable

[winter gale]

Was doing so by vanish/ 2x garrote / rupture

[balmy condor]

I mean, technically correct if you were to say exsang and not dm :P

Dm isn’t the issue, exsang is

[winter gale]

Yes

[balmy condor]

That gameplay is perfect for exsang

Normal dm tho no need

[winter gale]

For exsang I wold also do that but I also think I was delaying DM for Exsang on 3rd min for some time 😂

[balmy condor]

[winter gale]

This morning community here explained me alot of stuff

Im good now, I know much more

In theory atleast

[balmy condor]

Holding cds is a universal concept people suck at to be fair

It’s a super common mistake

[winter gale]

Switching and changing everything I was doing was chaotic each time I was doing it, im a key spammer so often did I fail 😂

But it will now be better

[oak tangle]

and so counter intuitive, exsang is our big cd, but we hold it for 1 min

45s

[hollow dirge]

btw, fix for kb, maybe, remove the poison from increasing the dmg of it, make bleed ticks increase the dmg instead, but for a lower amount, say 8% per hit, and then remove it from the dtb capstone? that way, it would be easier to balance, since bleed ticks are not random like poison procs, dtb would not overpower it, and dm would actually feel great to stack with kb, due to double tics of the bleeds

[oak tangle]

that would take away the already limited interraction we have when pressing it though

[steel ridge]

would scale consistent tho

[oak tangle]

but it's not the issue with the spec, our damage etc is fine, it's rotational divergent we lack

[steel ridge]

big power infusion kb

[hollow dirge]

well I was specifically talking about dead talent on the tree, not rotational divergency, but I get your point

[oak tangle]

sure it will make kb picked, but the only difference it makes is between pressing kb or talenting dtb

and it would only promote exsang further, and we dont want that XD

[hollow dirge]

well , I don't mind exang 😄

[balmy condor]

Or

Real novel idea

Just take kingsbane number

And make bigger

They have 3 numbers to pick from

[hollow dirge]

there's that too 😄

[balmy condor]

The instant damage

The dot

And the scale

[royal lantern]

dathea prog 🙂

[balmy condor]

Just multiply them all by 5% of their current number and kingsbane is bis

Ez

[hollow dirge]

i guess the scale is the best one to go for

[balmy condor]

I did. it

The problem with the scale is it ramps pretty hard already

[hollow dirge]

promoting people standing in fire to have max uptime during kb

always a good thing

[balmy condor]

But yeh

[oak tangle]

make envenom debuff count as a poison application

for kb

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane is deadass the easiest thing to buff

You pick a number and increase it

[oak tangle]

reward chaining env in kb

[balmy condor]

Idk why they can’t do it

[plucky roost]

Would reducing exsanguinate cd to 2 min help the spec?

[oak tangle]

my sweet summer child

[balmy condor]

If by help the spec you mean make it do bonkers dps

Sure yeah

Most of the channel would rather die than have to play that rotation

But it would do damage

[plucky roost]

Well yeah with compensation on exsang strength, so like 50% faster dots

[balmy condor]

You would need to bring exsang down to 20% 2 min if you want the same balance as now

[hollow dirge]

i think it would. it's one thing I don't understand. why not make it less strong in terms of the speed of tics, but make it 2 min

[balmy condor]

We ran the numbers when they first nerfed it

[royal lantern]

gotcha, CD increased by 50%

[royal lantern]

you said any numbrr

[steel ridge]

delete exsang already

[hollow dirge]

i'd still prefer it that way 😄

[steel ridge]

what is taking so long

[balmy condor]

I’m pretty sure this is a diagnosable illness

[hollow dirge]

if it is, it's the third one

[balmy condor]

All good things come in threes

[hollow dirge]

except exan cd

[balmy condor]

Exsang can come in threes

As long as it goes from this reality first

And then comes to a different reality

Where I don’t exist

That would be okay with me

[hollow dirge]

[balmy condor]

Alternate universe artanaro gets to play exsang

And current universe whispyr doesn’t have to be suicidal

Double win

[hollow dirge]

snap it, thanos

make it happen

[balmy condor]

I was sick of exsang 6 years ago

[pastel onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-where-why-how-gif-15808900

rogues changes

[hardy dagger]

[balmy condor]

Snapshot bad

Snapshot dumb gameplay

[hollow dirge]

sure, remove exan, I'm fine with it. but playing a 3m cd exan is just crap. either remove it, or lower the cd. this is the worst of all

[balmy condor]

No one understand snapshot

[oak tangle]

what if, exsang was a buff on you, that made all dots tick faster while active reducing their duration appropriately, kinda like how shifting power works for mages for their cd's. and that way you don't have to worry about overwriting stuff

[balmy condor]

Yeh well, it’s gotta be like this to maintain the gameplay while also maintaining a semblance of balance

I don’t like the 3 min cd either

[hollow dirge]

put kb in exan position, make bleed ticks increase dmg so dtb is not op, cool

[balmy condor]

But ain’t no way you can do anything else the way it interacts

Exsang at 2 minutes is simply too powerful

[hollow dirge]

while at it, remove the damn ma as well, since just reading the talent makes me stand on same window as whispyr playing exan

[balmy condor]

And exsang at less than that will just either turn into 2 min or be stronger

[balmy condor]

Ma is cringe

[wanton vine]

assa needs a passive ability similar to plaguebringer

[balmy condor]

30% lmao

[oak tangle]

didn't it used to be 100%?

[hollow dirge]

yes

and for longer period

[balmy condor]

Yeah, it used to be a 5 second 100% legendary

[oak tangle]

is it additive or multiplicative

[balmy condor]

Additive

[oak tangle]

that's not that bad

[hollow dirge]

it got similar treatment as exan, nerf after nerf after nerf, only to become a meme

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty fucking bad

[oak tangle]

it could have been multiplicative

[balmy condor]

Yeah it also could’ve been the lint stuck to the bottom of my balls

Doesn’t mean it’s good

[oak tangle]

buff it to 60% and it's essentially 100

[dark token]

What if they replace exang with a passive that every time you envenom, you exang your dots for 2 sec

[balmy condor]

Yeah and it would still suck

[hollow dirge]

it would make it better, and it would still be shit

[balmy condor]

Very based take

Sinister calling

[hollow dirge]

just remove it. we don't want it. put it on sub

[balmy condor]

This is the way

[hollow dirge]

why even give it to the spec with the least benefit from it 😄

[balmy condor]

I propose a trade

Sub gets ma

We get replicating shadows

All is right in the world

[dark token]

You don't want replicating shadows

Until it smart targets

[oak tangle]

can we give them crimson tempest and take secret technique too?

[balmy condor]

I do actually want replicating shadows

[royal lantern]

OH NO, I DONT WANT MY FREE BLEED SPREAD

[balmy condor]

It might miss

[hollow dirge]

i would pay some money for this

[balmy condor]

Think of the horror

Maybe 1/5 times you don’t get the duplication

[dark token]

You have to do some pozzed positioning to optimize it

[balmy condor]

Okay and?

[oak tangle]

i guess the thought is, sub spends little time applying bleeds so lets let them get them out faster than the multi dot spec

and that leads to, ay yo wtf why this non bleed class better at applying dots yo

[balmy condor]

Yeah except blizzard also forgot about rupture damage

And suddenly sub rupture does more damage

While also duplicating

[hollow dirge]

rupture is a wet noodle if there ever was one

[balmy condor]

Because that makes sense

[oak tangle]

give sub back nightblade and watch the world burn

[hollow dirge]

i did laugh a bit about it, when I've seen it the first time, but I was sad at the same time

[shrewd night]

But whispyr, you actually have to play to optimize your spells

[balmy condor]

I will never for the life of me understand how we ended up with sub rupture doing noticeably higher damage than sin rupture, and getting an easier time applying it as well

Remember the good old days of “sub generates more combo points so they can apply rupture better”

[royal lantern]

@dark token i mean, i know what you mean, but saying "you dont want rep shadows, you need to move a bit for your bleed spread" is kinda a croocked take

assa would kill for any form of more easy multidotting lol

[oak tangle]

something about 90% mastery

[balmy condor]

And not “sub gets 2 ruptures for every rupture”

[royal lantern]

finisher spec, rupture is a finisher

[shrewd night]

Tryan

Shut the fuck up

[royal lantern]

that discussion was 10/10 wdym

[balmy condor]

I felt my blood pressure rise in real time

[hollow dirge]

it's like all of the sudden giving the dot spread from unholy to frost.

just make frost do it. why not

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s cold damage and that’s better so it does more damage

[hollow dirge]

does not fit anything, but just do it

yeah 😄

[shrewd night]

Ive never had that bad of a secondhand tilt before

[oak tangle]

what if, envenom worked like pennance and purge the wicked

[balmy condor]

Sub rupture is shadow now, so it does spooky damage, and spooky damage is special, so sub can do more spooky damage, and rupture can do spooky damage so make the number really big

[shrewd night]

[royal lantern]

you mean spreading dots when you envenom? @oak tangle

[oak tangle]

ye

it would enable focus in aoe

[hollow dirge]

it's gengar dmg, and gengar is the best pokemon

this is the only logic that could make sense

[steel ridge]

gengar is bis

[balmy condor]

Damn do you work for blizzard

[royal lantern]

get earthquaked nerd

gengar is Bad

[balmy condor]

I can’t even come up with a rebuttal to such bulletproof logic

[steel ridge]

gengar has levitate doesnt it

[royal lantern]

not anymore

[balmy condor]

But he’s half ghost no

[steel ridge]

fucking zoomers

[balmy condor]

Ghost no levitate?

[royal lantern]

levitate was broken on it

[hollow dirge]

i know, right

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

Gengardium leviosa

That might be the most nerd shit I’ve ever said i apologize for the cringe

[hollow dirge]

there is a rebuttal though, why is sp/lock not gengar dmg too? only time you can do gengar dmg, is if you're melee?

[oak tangle]

make envenom spread dot to another target, and make IC make the next envenom spread dot to all 8 nearby targets

[royal lantern]

bruh, it was removed in Gen6

thats over 10years

[balmy condor]

Sp is spooky damage no?

[steel ridge]

well i played pokemon 24 years ago

[balmy condor]

Brother what

You played Pokémon before I was alive

[hollow dirge]

it should be

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

sure

blue edition

original gameboy, the big one

[balmy condor]

1996

God damn

That is older than me

[steel ridge]

i remembered it was like 98 in europe

[balmy condor]

I’d like to say that’s an important difference

But uh

Still not enough

[hollow dirge]

damn son, you young.

[balmy condor]

July 21 1999

Yes sir

A real 90’s kid if you may

[oak tangle]

i mean you're atleast born in the same decade as me, but i'm not even 30 yet and i feel old

[hollow dirge]

but that's nice. you're still 90's

[steel ridge]

you are younger than my little sister

which is our youngest sibling

[balmy condor]

I am your little sister

[hollow dirge]

stuck in the washing machine?

[steel ridge]

;D

[balmy condor]

Every week it seems

[hollow dirge]

those are really tricky, not easy to deal with them

[balmy condor]

How do you get stuck in a top loader

[oak tangle]

that's just propaganda to get more men to do the washing

[steel ridge]

wtf is a toploader

that some murican shit?

[balmy condor]

It’s where you load it, from the top

[steel ridge]

every washing machine i have ever seen is a frontloader

like in the porn

[balmy condor]

Oh

Well

It’s more common i guess

But yeh

Top loader good stuff

[oak tangle]

front loader is more water efficient

[balmy condor]

Also true

[spice spire]

Zoomer

[balmy condor]

You got your dog in the game do not speak to me

[spice spire]

Jealous?

[balmy condor]

Wish i was your dog

[spice spire]

Wish you were my mount :/

[shrewd night]

Bro?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Yeah bro?

[oak tangle]

strep brogue

[balmy condor]

This dude has strep throat for like 3 weeks now

Swear to god

Throat hurty one time, makes it his whole personality

[spice spire]

Strep throat has been done wtf

[balmy condor]

Banning you for inaccurate name

[winter gale]

Can target dummy fight be simmed?

[balmy condor]

Yes

There’s a fight type for it on raidbots

[royal lantern]

when do you go hunter for the George pet?

and george battle pet?

[winter gale]

Logged*

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Trying to find a new one buddy

[shrewd night]

[winter gale]

Combat Logged, I apologise

[balmy condor]

You log it like anything else

[spice spire]

Buddy if it’s a pet, im a BM main now

[royal lantern]

you can tame those dogs sincd df launch mate lol

[spice spire]

[oak tangle]

heck bm even superseded us as ST spec, it's like they meant for it

[royal lantern]

you didnt knew....?

[winter gale]

May I upload here my dummy log just to see did I understand what we spoke about this morning?

Post a link*

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s @spice spire’s problem

I’m in bed

[spice spire]

Brother I woke up to take a leak

I can look in two hours though 🙂

[winter gale]

For sure, no worries

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zHQm1734JvaGWTXA/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

On 2nd DM I know I refreshed rupture that was one 12 seconds left :/

[velvet dirge]

Is refreshing rupture with ER chargesoutside of the opener a dps loss? Should I be using those chargers on envenom only?