assassination

[plain onyx]

so assa atm is not decent enough in m+ ? because I just came back to the game from a long break and I'm just reading the comments lol 😅

[royal lantern]

its allright

problem is more like, sub and outlaw put less effort into m+ for higher numbers and survivalbility

[plain onyx]

but i felt like assa's rotation is much easier than outlaws and subs.. donno maybe im wrong

[balmy condor]

Definitely wrong

[royal lantern]

sub is a 2button spec in m+, outlaw is pressing blade flury

[jade abyss]

What exactly? I mean its one skill more before finisher instead of no one?

[royal lantern]

[steel ridge]

It fucked up the perceived pace of the spec alot

[pastel onyx]

Ye people just want to smash builder and finisher

[misty holly]

Once Blizzard hires me I'm designing specs for just 2 buttons. That's more than enough. In Everquest I only had 1 button and was happy. Two is like, double the minimum for fun.

[serene fossil]

Basically, yes. For some its a “huge” difference

[steel ridge]

muscle memory kicks different you know

[jade abyss]

Claws are not sharp enough

[steel ridge]

cause they run the AoE Pad Specs

which costs them about 20-25% ST

i dont think it is

its not boss dps its terros

[native belfry]

Is there any info about new rings in regards of dps gain?

[shrewd night]

What info is there to be had?

[pallid swallow]

hi guys. question. is there anyway of reapplying garrote from stealth other than vanish or stealth itself?

is there a talent or a mec of some sort?

[rocky ruin]

sepsis but we not gonna use it

[pallid swallow]

alright thanks !

[mystic garden]

is it a good idea to hold deathmark's 2nd cast to line up with exanguinate or should i just use them on cooldown ?

[rocky ruin]

if the 4min mark is reached you use exsang with DM and PB

exsang its useless on its own

[mystic garden]

PB?

[rocky ruin]

Puzzle Box

[mystic garden]

ah should probably get one of those

lol i have kurog trinket and a grief torch

[rocky ruin]

Its just Puzzle Box with Exsang+DM/2min DM/4min Puzzle Box with Exsang+DM

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

pls dont call it pb

[spice spire]

Oh your grouping is fucky

[mystic garden]

had to reread that a few times

thank you though

[pulsar dirge]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[fleet pagoda]

hey dudes. I had a question about the cookie cutter single target raid build; if my group's damage is really low is there ever any value in filling zoldyck over taking bonespike? or is that benefit from lethal dose over the course of the entire fight always bis? i'm not sure how to optimize around the generally low raid damage, or if i should leave that setup as is

[spice spire]

Leave as is.
More execute only helps when you get to execute. And there’s not really an execute fight save for like raz p3 If you’re not meeting the check. But if you have that issue, you’ve many more problems

[fleet pagoda]

thank you

[jade abyss]

We try to sync dm with ER Rupture?

[uncut echo]

No

If possible you can try for ER rupture for exsang dm combo

But that's kinda stretchy imo

[cunning geyser]

Why is FAQ ST opener rotation and wowhead's different?

[uncut echo]

Define different

Because thr wowhead guides aren't factoring in you taking exsang.

[shrewd night]

I see what he means, the wowhead opener things are hella confusing

Just follow faq

[uncut echo]

Yeah.

Faq bis rn

[shrewd night]

@balmy condor

[uncut echo]

Oh my

[spice spire]

Us

[shrewd night]

Real

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Y'all wilding

Which one's caked tf up and which is doing the spanking

[shrewd night]

Quake caked

[uncut echo]

I shoulda known that tbh

[shrewd night]

Have you seen him in his gourneys?

[uncut echo]

No!?

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

You wild for that leak, king

[raven knoll]

What do you guys think about taking the single target talents + maybe Crimson Tempest to m+ on tyranical week?

[uncut echo]

Nope

Trash is still giga important

And doing piss damage ain't it

[royal lantern]

tyranical just means you pull bigger

[spice spire]

I can see the point

But half assed st build just doesn’t seem good? I could be lit here. But even thinking about dungeons with segmented pulls (think sbg) it seems pretty meh

[raven knoll]

Understandable. I was also thinking SBG like dungeons where you pull pretty much the same thing on tyranical and fortified. Did +21 SBG for weekly yesterday and the first boss was like 5 minute fight, so thats why I was wondering if it wouldnt be better to have 1 person with ST talents.

[uncut echo]

It's almost never worth to lose a stupid amount of aoe damage to do a bit more on bosses

UNLESS there's a boss with pretty hard enrage timers. Think first boss mists of tirna scithe on high tyrannical

[raven knoll]

Maybe the bird boss in AA? 😄

But the AOE in that dungeon is really nice

[uncut echo]

You never ever drop aoe in AA

But most aoe builds do enough ST to kill bird boss

[raven knoll]

Ye I was just wondering what bosses in m+ have "enrage timer" and the bird boss is the only that came to my mind

[uncut echo]

Most hard enrages were removed

Except mists / bird

Are the only two that come to mind rn

[raven knoll]

Maybe Hyrja?

[bold drum]

ye thats the one i thought of rn

she just kinda dunks on you after a while

[uncut echo]

Hyrja isn't a problem after her nerfs

But rogue btw

Feint btw

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[raven knoll]

Ye but you do not have 4 rogues hehe

[bold drum]

rogues should be the last to die on that fight

[shrewd night]

Hyrja isnt a problem after nerfs.

*except if its tyrannical

[uncut echo]

:3

[royal lantern]

[raven knoll]

Although this boss never lived long enough to do enough damage but Talixae (second boss CoS) stack the AOE damage infinitely I think

[bold drum]

yeah true dk how i didnt think of that guy

[shrewd night]

Thats by the same token that last boss academy has an enrage when the rooms covered

[bold drum]

i swear ive seen the things despawn

[raven knoll]

It doesnt dissapear?

[bold drum]

after some time

[spice spire]

You can invert buddy get woke

(She still dunks on kids without defensives)

[shrewd night]

She dunks on healers mana every storm my guy

Meownar has PTSD and nightmares

[spice spire]

Meownar ain’t ever wiped on hyrja in his life

[shrewd night]

Meownar made a 18 tyrranical key disband

[spice spire]

That’s about to be quakethree ong

[keen smelt]

hey guys does the engineering bracers count as embelishment ?

[sour wraith]

No

[oak tangle]

hitting 400k dps over the 3rd shield is nice though XD

doesn't really achieve anything, but it's fun to look at

[hallow token]

Thoughts on, according to the latest logs, Assassination being 5th on raid boss damage, but absolute last on overall?

Assassination seems broken. How could they fix it?

Enhancing our AOE obviously isn’t working. But even though enhancing our single target is what I would probably prefer, it would need A LOT of enhancing before it started to balance out. But if we can’t contribute to getting the trash down fast enough, slightly bigger boss damage won’t matter.

Thoughts?

[thorn fjord]

It wouldn’t need a lot of enhancing

They nerfed us to be more in line with other specs

Then buffed those other specs

And left us to rot

[hollow dirge]

They can fix it in so many ways it’s not even funny😂

[warm void]

Copy feral

Fixed

[royal lantern]

there are more or less 2 solutions

[thorn fjord]

Reroll UHDK being one of them

[royal lantern]

1: if they still want assa to be a "st spec" with no aoe/cleave, make it top3 for ST dmg, and the best rogue spec for that

2: go away with "st only spec" and rework it to actually give any aoe

[thorn fjord]

Nerf BM ST and leave DK where its at as we over take boss dmg by our second DM generally

Or buff our dmg slightly to put us over

[gaunt moat]

I've made the mistake of reading comments on wowheads article about bow getting nerfed

[thorn fjord]

Dont

Shit will trigger you

[gaunt moat]

too late.

[gray crest]

Effective way to lose brain cells, I'll give it that

[unreal bear]

the nice part of a % increase on bleeds/poisons outside of pvp is that our aoe would also improve

if they seem insistent on making us talent for CT and haven't properly thought out a better tree

[gaunt moat]

Lmao. So cringe. Can’t just let BM be broken like other specs in the game huh. Really glad for when 10.1 comes around hunter will just be trash.```
```nastywafflesxxx
So the bow is still needed. Very good design.```

But the cream of the crop that made me lose my mind is this one:
```cpuri
That's a good summary, but it is missing one key figure:
How much damage difference is there between having the bow and not having the bow?

For example:
If you do 1000 dps now with the bow, and you get 1.5% damage increase, you end up at 1015 dps.
If you do 800 dps now without the bow, and you get 9.5% damage increase, you end up at 876dps.

So the bow would still be mandatory.```

I can't even.

Hunters literally complaining about getting a buff and that higher ilvl items will have higher dps

[unreal bear]

i get the hate for hunters, but they're not the biggest problem

[thorn fjord]

wait wait dont forget this one

[unreal bear]

because people are lining up to take me to raid and m+

and leather is notoriously not squishy

[gaunt moat]

@thorn fjord That's the definition of an echo chamber (or insanity)

[unreal bear]

the only hunter spec i respect is survival

[gaunt moat]

It's not hunter hate, it's just idiot in comments hate

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

But i think theyre just big braining it

If you're never happy with buffs

They'll just keep buffing

amirite?

[royal lantern]

i love how hunters complain about deffensives

meanwhile my priest friend: desperate prayer

the end

🙂

or shamans with a single 2min cd

[unreal bear]

at least feint is kinda sick

[gaunt moat]

well yeah, feint is main reason to bring rogue

[unreal bear]

i thought it was the OwO shroud weakaura

[gaunt moat]

lol

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, that aswell

[thorn fjord]

Bro we have to rescue our Holy priest to help with moving mechanics

But hunters be complaining

Feint is our best button

[unreal bear]

i've been out of the game for a few years, is there a reason sub's rupture spreads to nearby targets?

[gaunt moat]

they have a talent called "replicating shadows"

[unreal bear]

yeah but like... why

[gaunt moat]

it applied rupture to nearby target

[thorn fjord]

They felt that they needed to make rupture better for the non bleed spec

[unreal bear]

it seems inconsistent with the philosophy behind the spec

[gaunt moat]

To make sin salty

[unreal bear]

makes sense

[royal lantern]

dont tell that sub players

sub is the finisher spec=rupture is a finisher=it should be better then the bleed spec bleed

🙂

[unreal bear]

to me sub was always bursty, strong finishers. outlaw was GAMBA , and sin was supposed to be sustained poison/bleed dmg

[thorn fjord]

We're not sub haters out here.

We're dev haters

[unreal bear]

i dont hate it, but i dont enjoy playing it either

[raven knoll]

We hate outlaw

[royal lantern]

actual sub players are chads

sub rerollers are idiots

and 90% are rerollers

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[unreal bear]

i got bullied into playing sub even though im doing worse overall

meta sucks

[thorn fjord]

I chose sub for adds on brood

WIll be playing it Raz also 🤷‍♂️

[granite widget]

how do you prove you're not a reroller

[thorn fjord]

SHow us your week 1 sub parses

[royal lantern]

what do you think about rupture in aoe

[unreal bear]

100 parse on Zul back in BFA

[granite widget]

rupture in aoe is weird ig

it was normal

and then they made bp

[thorn fjord]

It adds some nice dmg tho

[granite widget]

i mean before bp was a thing

[gaunt moat]

My RL keeps telling me to reroll sub 😬

[thorn fjord]

I was letting my ruptures drop last night (my sub play is sketch as fuck and ive only been doing it 2 weeks this iteration) compared to the other rogue

and he had 3mil dmg from rupture

[unreal bear]

almost everyone that tells me to play sub actually has no idea how sin works

[thorn fjord]

Just maintaining it is a nice dmg gain

[royal lantern]

tell him to suck dn

[royal lantern]

welcome to rogue

nobody except rogues has any idea how rogue works

lol

[granite widget]

idk why sub just became so popular all of a sudden, maybe it's streamer influence

[unreal bear]

they're on-demand aoe

[granite widget]

cause in the past when sub was on the same level not everyone swapped to it

[unreal bear]

meanwhile sin has to rely on PB procs or IC cd

[granite widget]

ig sub is arguably the best spec right now though

[thorn fjord]

They’re the perfect in between from all three specs

[gaunt moat]

He's laughing at me becauise he plays sub, and we're on broodkeeper
and sub can survive much easier there
I died almost every attempt at second phase

[granite widget]

vs just being on the same level

[vestal wren]

play sub

[unreal bear]

also secret tech is just... ridiculously strong

[vestal wren]

[unreal bear]

almost everyone

[vestal wren]

i was just memeing

[royal lantern]

stupid easy aoe, same ST as assa, the only big rogue streamer throw a tantrum over the outlaw "nerf" (that was a buff btw) and went sub, and all his followers just mindlessly copied him

[granite widget]

funny how 3 months ago i got kicked for being sub

from a hov

[winged quail]

Man Rupture cranks on Sub now, feels odd to multidot in AoE on Sub but it does a huge % of my damage

[granite widget]

cause cannot vanish cdr

[vestal wren]

tbh i think people think about specs too strict

[unreal bear]

blame subcreation

people look at that tier list and go "oh sin is really bad"

[vestal wren]

subcreation is just a fancy r.io statistic

[unreal bear]

so the only people who invite sin are usually inexperienced groups

[granite widget]

sin's weakness is

[unreal bear]

which leads to more failed keys

[granite widget]

boss damage is not good

in keys

[vestal granite]

yo, does thistle tea snapshot? yes I used the search function and there is 6400 results xd

[vestal wren]

the problem for sin is the aoe part of dungeons

[unreal bear]

sin ST is plenty strong on boss

[vestal wren]

sin is not bad, but sub/outlaw just perform better

[royal lantern]

...........wut

[granite widget]

in raid yeah

[vestal wren]

no

[winged quail]

wish Sin still had old talents tbh, having insane execute damage was a really good niche with the KB build

[granite widget]

key build its not good outside lust

[raven knoll]

sub/outlaw just perfom bettter than any other class

[granite widget]

except sp

[vestal granite]

so for sin, mastery does update dynamically?

[thorn fjord]

Oh boy here we go

[vestal wren]

all 3 have one situation that the spec is bad

[unreal bear]

and that leads to them not wanting to buff sin because then the class is wholly good

[vestal wren]

subtelty just happens to be the one spec that has the overall best trade offs

[unreal bear]

outside of clunky rotations

[winged quail]

yes it's dynamic

[vestal wren]

it does not mean sin or outlaw are bad

[winged quail]

e.g. if you puzzlebox after bleeds the dmg updates

[vestal wren]

i could see outlaw or sin both being stronger depending on the dungeon or boss fight

[uncut echo]

Blatently false

[raven knoll]

Thats why they need to remove outlaw from rogue specs so we can get buffs because outlaw is never bad.

[unreal bear]

are we #bringbackcombat?

[raven knoll]

yes

[uncut echo]

Incoming negative IQ spec channel hours

[unreal bear]

i really do love the theming of Outlaw

[uncut echo]

💤

[royal lantern]

outlaw is not even a top3 m+ choice rn lol

spriest is so busted

[uncut echo]

Spriest boomie havoc

[thorn fjord]

It’s not that great

[uncut echo]

Frost mage

[raven knoll]

I just hate outlaw

[unreal bear]

how hard is boomie's rotation even

[thorn fjord]

OL has been shelved

[unreal bear]

i've never played boomie, only feral

[royal lantern]

god i wish

outlaw just to be actually BAD for one patch

so that all the 8.2 fotm laws finally go away

[spice spire]

Ur right I’m here

[uncut echo]

I knew the miasma was close, hi qt3.14

[winged quail]

uncap Outlaw gang

[thorn fjord]

At this point they might as well

[spice spire]

Sin is playable in keys trust!

[spice spire]

Pause

[thorn fjord]

😅

[uncut echo]

Uncap IC, uncap Bladeflurry

[spice spire]

They should not ever do that. At least with current iteration of BF

[agile fossil]

uncap every spell on every spec why the fck did they do that in the first place

[spice spire]

To make balance easier

[uncut echo]

Ahri is typing nonsense...

[spice spire]

Because let’s be real. Current rogue (minus maybe sub) is kind of a nightmare balancing ST/AoE

[thorn fjord]

I blame BM for all my woes this last week

[vestal wren]

outlaw is not bad because of the aoe cap

[agile fossil]

2 years later they still cant achieve any balance might aswell remove it , obviously not working

[vestal wren]

people put way to much energy complaining about the aoe cap

[thorn fjord]

OL is bad because of the floor ceiling discrepancy and the lame ST imo

At this point in the tier why run it on prog when there’s sub

And if you’re re clearing it doesn’t matter what you play

[agile fossil]

ehh your probably right , i'm still playing either way , not a deal breaker

[vestal wren]

Outlaw isn't even bad, it is still good, just not meta anymore

[thorn fjord]

Yeah exactly

[uncut echo]

1 in 500 of people in this chat are playing at a level where that level of damage matters

[vestal wren]

i mean to be fair, i think blizz wend overbord with the nerfs esp. the last round

[spice spire]

You buff outlaw ST, it’s aoe bonkers. Badge.

What does sin do? Bleeds and poisons? Buff poisons, fok goes crazy, buff bleeds and IC is nuts.
Where do we go from here

[uncut echo]

Y'all are hard gatekept by actually being good

[royal lantern]

outlaw rogues telling you the spec is bad because its not #1 melee anymore lmao

[spice spire]

That’s probably lowballing. 100k discord, it’s probably closer to 1/5000

[vestal wren]

they should:

• revert the ER nerf
• Fix NS
• Revert last round of Outlaw nerfs

[thorn fjord]

FTH nerf wasn’t even that bad

Paved way for the cto tech

[uncut echo]

Fth nerf sucked dick

[thorn fjord]

Meh

[uncut echo]

It's a gigafeelsbad imho

[vestal wren]

i think the outlaw nerfs had some positive effects

[uncut echo]

Less toxic players playing it?

[spice spire]

They should also revert the BF buff from Sofo (unironic) the 10% bf buff randomly in 9.2 was weird

[vestal wren]

basically that other talent choices did start to sim competitively and ended up getting attention

[uncut echo]

True and real fuu

[thorn fjord]

Cto feels better to play imo

[spice spire]

And make them a bit stronger st

[uncut echo]

Cto is bis

[agile fossil]

fth was a boring way to nerf outlaw , but we got the cto tech so it is kinda ok

[spice spire]

Bf just problematic imo

[gusty mirage]

I think they should buff BM hunter again

[ebon notch]

Oh no outlaw spreading

[spice spire]

It’s amazing ability, just kinda sucks it often gatekeeps its st

[uncut echo]

So true bestie

[thorn fjord]

[gusty mirage]

That’ll fix everything

[spice spire]

Frost mages too

[uncut echo]

And dks

[spice spire]

Ur favorite

[gusty mirage]

And fire mage

[uncut echo]

And arms warrior

[gray crest]

Give the arcane mages their phds already

[gusty mirage]

And they should buff arms by another 13%

[vestal wren]

are you rerolling hunter?

[royal lantern]

i mean, they litearlly gave shadowpriest bladeflury in stronger lol

[gusty mirage]

I’m rerolling to full time poe gamer

[royal lantern]

and it also slams insane in ST

[gusty mirage]

Call me dollar store Ben

[spice spire]

Yeah and spriest deserves to be nuked for its sins

[ebon notch]

What you gonna reroll to after you get bored of that

[spice spire]

It’s just like 9.0 all over again

[thorn fjord]

D4 gamer

[spice spire]

He’s gonna reroll to your step father

[gusty mirage]

Touching grass, winters almost over bruv

[spice spire]

If you keep acting up

[vestal wren]

I think most of the balance changes for rogue would have been accaptable

[ebon notch]

I can't wait for summer

[vestal wren]

if they didn't just go and buff other classes/specs

[ebon notch]

It's gonna be 45C

[royal lantern]

nuked for sins? nuke sin?

[ebon notch]

But still

[thorn fjord]

Patiently waiting for fall

[vestal wren]

by a insane amount

[gusty mirage]

Can’t wait to hit the links again

🏌️‍♂️

[spice spire]

Yeah

Early nerfs make sense if the field remains static. Instead the entire field gets massive buffs and now we’re in last

[thorn fjord]

Did you know that golf spelled backwards is flog?

[uncut echo]

:3

[agile fossil]

they made spriest go from ok to absolut gods in 1 patch

[gusty mirage]

I’ll flog your booty boy, don’t test me

[spice spire]

Assassin rogues are not allowed to run heroic in 10.1!

[uncut echo]

Wild definition of OK

They werr dogass

[spice spire]

Dog ass

[agile fossil]

Damn did i remember wrong , i thought they were just a little behind the middle spec

probably tbh

[gusty mirage]

They were lower end of middle of the pack

[royal lantern]

isnt spriest jumping bettwen "its litearlly the worst spec in the game" and "its the #1" normal?

[gusty mirage]

By no means “dog ass”

[royal lantern]

and then gets a rework

and another rework mid expac

just to get a new rework during alpha and beta again

[thorn fjord]

a good spriest was able to make it work before the buffs

[royal lantern]

circle of spriest

[thorn fjord]

Now its just ezpz

[gusty mirage]

I mean if it’s going to follow history, should be utterly dogshit in 10.1 then

[vestal wren]

some specs have huge swings in power

sv hunter also went in SL from being fairly meh to op

[thorn fjord]

Only 1 tier tho

[vestal wren]

1 tier is half the xpac tho

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage thoughts on a potential warlock buff? They seem very weak

[thorn fjord]

Bring back pre patch OL

[vestal wren]

it is in a sense funny to say "was only s3/4"

when s3 + s4 was very long in actual time

[uncut echo]

Alright, I'mma head out. Lmk when I won't get contact radiation sickness from these takes

[thorn fjord]

lmaooo

@uncut echo y'all smokin drugs if you didnt find prepatch OL exhilarating

[spice spire]

Man was playing hunter. Only hunters exhil silly

[uncut echo]

Infinitely too zoomer

But I was good at it

[gray crest]

I'm still waiting for them to give smoke bomb back to rogues

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

Come over i'll give you a smoke bomb 👀

[agile fossil]

let them fix the talents not working first before adding new ones

[thorn fjord]

cant it'll break the class

[vestal wren]

we have atrophic now

[agile fossil]

The blizzard employe would have to actually work , what a shame

[vestal wren]

to be fair, you can't put much claim on blizz

10.0.7 has a lot of class changes

[thorn fjord]

And they have a less toxic workplace enviornment

[vestal wren]

its just that rogue is seemingly not seen as important target for dev time atm

even with bigger bugs like the ones on subtlety

[agile fossil]

the talent has been buged for a long time now they are just too lazy to fix it because they would have to rebalance the class a bit

[thorn fjord]

They have a fix @agile fossil

Its been fixed just not implemented

Per the devs

[raven knoll]

I'd love to know how they balance classes. They should have ppl working on every class/spec imo

[agile fossil]

Gg

i guess

[thorn fjord]

Almost want to @ realz and ask if he's still working for blizz LMAO

[uncut echo]

Nah, that's toxic

[thorn fjord]

yeah

Which is why i wont 😛

[uncut echo]

Also I'll dm him rn

Hol up

[thorn fjord]

damn ahri sliding up in his DM's

[uncut echo]

I'm in everyone's dms

[subtle tundra]

is wago not working for anyone else

i suffered a lot lately and now i cant even make my interface

[gusty mirage]

You mean when aff and destro will be doing more damage than pre-nerf assassination?

Cause uh, that’s happening bud

[thorn fjord]

@subtle tundra Did you end up getting a new hard drive?

[subtle tundra]

thats the plan, to buy one

[spice spire]

Exactly, they’re not obliterating us though so they neeeeed the buffs man

[ornate quail]

Guys I've been trying to figure out this for too much at this point, when I'm on assa and outlaw I see combo points normally on my target like this https://prnt.sc/SFJiphp4uUqP, but when I switch to sub I can't see combo points on my target, I use neatplates and searched if there is anything different in setting on assa/outlaw from sub and can't find anything, anyone else had same problem or someone knows what the problem is ? would greatly appriciate it

[uncut echo]

I'm thinking 8% aura for affliction and an additional talent point

Surely

[gusty mirage]

Destro will be doing 98k ST without raid buffs in 10.0.7

[thorn fjord]

Using default UI>

[ornate quail]

Yea no elvui or stuff like that

[thorn fjord]

Only thing i can think of is looking for a class bar option within the blizz ui editor

for the frames or w/e

[ornate quail]

lmao its driving me insane

[thorn fjord]

is there an export command for the blizzard ui?

if so id just copy that string and plop it into sub

[ornate quail]

I use same edit mode layout if thats what you mean

[hallow token]

dump exsanguinate completely? Put an aoe on envenom? move shiv stuff onto crimson tempest? Basically keep shiv as a soothe and don't make it a mandatory button in an already long sequence. These are not necessarily damage buffs, but does reduce the need to hit the shiv button and streamlines the gameplay.

[thorn fjord]

Shiv replaced TB tho

[vestal granite]

exsang > master assassin most or all the time probably

[thorn fjord]

And its been the standard interaction since Legion pretty much

[vestal granite]

and you need that one talent below the two

nvm I thought this is pvp channel xd

[uncut echo]

Aoe envenom seems lit

[raven knoll]

Single target CT

[uncut echo]

Surely we need MORE BUTTONS

[thorn fjord]

I hated pressing CT in ST during SL

Plz not again

[uncut echo]

Hear me out

Give us a malefic rapture CP finisher, does a portion of our total dots damage based on CP spent. Not worth using in ST, but with enough scent stacks it outweighs

Named

Exsanguinate

:3

:3

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-thats-gonna-be-a-no-dawg-no-gif-15183706

[uncut echo]

:3

[thorn fjord]

:3

[uncut echo]

Wym

That'd be sick asf

Surely

I playtested it in my head. It's great

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[uncut echo]

I wonder what the new tier sets will end up doing

Bc these were supposed to be small

[raven knoll]

I dont think they were supposed to be small. They were supposed to not change gameplay that much cuz of new talents I think

[uncut echo]

They literally said they were meant to be small % increases

[raven knoll]

perhaps

[oak sky]

Probably similar to 9.2

Like that level of gameplay change

But hopefully they balance them a little better so theyre all around 10% gain instead of some randomly being like 30%

[thorn fjord]

Morning @oak sky 🙂

[oak sky]

👋

[spice spire]

GM mister agreonr-tichondrius, how goes the log watching this morning.

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Please do not announce that you’re going to :3 in #1080572530554835072 chat. Etc etc

[uncut echo]

:3

[oak sky]

Its goin

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Need the doctor to do some mri watching

[spice spire]

Me Friday man

[ebon notch]

@oak sky log watching??

👀

[royal lantern]

blizzard gave me a offical combination of uwu and :3, and im sure as hell gonna use it

[pastel onyx]

I am gonna :3 in :3 channel

[spice spire]

Warning

[pastel onyx]

[oak sky]

I could never

I just :3 ed in :3 channel

[spice spire]

You’ve already been warned, this is your final warning!!!!!

[ebon notch]

i remember when strep rogue was cool

[spice spire]

I don’t

[oak sky]

Hey the rule was for before

I didnt do nothing wrong

[spice spire]

Double negative

Checkmate pal

[thorn fjord]

Can anyone hack my vault tomorrow to get me eggnog ring so I can not get benched anymore

That would be fucking sweet

[ebon notch]

no shot ur benched cause of eggnog

[thorn fjord]

I am

Because the BM is doing more boss dmg than me

And we have a sub rogue on adds already

Leaving me with nothing to do

I was third behind the BM and DK and I got benched

BM was still beating me last week on boss dmg with me getting PI too

Fucking sick

Ring should put me ahead tho 🤷‍♂️

[empty hinge]

What’s the :3 channel

[ebon notch]

#1080572530554835072

[winged veldt]

If it’s that close that the ring puts you ahead then that’s not the only issue lol

[ebon notch]

click it

[winged veldt]

Sorry to break the bad news

[thorn fjord]

It’s what they told me 🤷‍♂️

And im not dying more than anyone else on boss

[dull cloak]

what's stopping your guild from running 2 sub rogues

[winged veldt]

^

[thorn fjord]

We’re blasting add damage

We don’t need it

We need boss damage

[dull cloak]

so why would they bench you

if they need more boss damage

[winged veldt]

If it’s needed that bad then sit the sub

See the issue here lol

[thorn fjord]

We tried these different variations

I progress the first 70ish plus

Pulls

Progged* damnit

[winged veldt]

Brood or raz I assume?

[thorn fjord]

Remove someone from adds then they start having issues

When we get to the 7th staff at the end of fight people just start dying

I might be in on Tuesday because of the early deaths

But still being benched for two prog nights sucked

Because the BM dies almost every pull

Brood

[winged veldt]

Well you have more ways to live than a hunter and if you are within ring damage of him then that’s a raid lead issue and making calls. Unless he doing eggs

[thorn fjord]

RL is doing eggs yeah

[winged veldt]

I just don’t see the ring being a fix all lol

I meant unless the BM is doing eggs

[thorn fjord]

Nah he’s not

[winged veldt]

Then shit call imo

[thorn fjord]

But I’m also somewhat of the black sheep of the guild so this type of shit happens to me randomly where they give me a hard time

[winged veldt]

GL on brood though :/.

[thorn fjord]

And by then I mean the RL because I asked other officers why I was still out given the death issues and they both said “not my call”

Extremely frustrating

[winged veldt]

Seems to be more of a raidlead not utilizing classes better and a good ole boy system more than a ring issue. IMHO.

But I hope you get it!

[thorn fjord]

Ty

Sucks dealing with this now when i progged every other fight so far

And im a “core” raider

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

I know i can be bad but no shot my performance was the reason i was benched

There are atleast four others who are worse than I am

[spare crow]

I feel you mister.

[thorny pond]

Sounds like you need a hug Mr. @thorn fjord

[thorn fjord]

The ending of this tier has been triggering me left and right man i just want it to be over @thorny pond

But not on the fucking bench

[thorny pond]

Aren't you Broodmommy proggers?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but was benched sunday and thursday

[thorny pond]

bruh

my old guild is on broodmommy

they need a rogu e

[thorn fjord]

I'm not going to quit just because of that

That would be lame and make me look like a child

[thorny pond]

aren't these your bois

like homies

[thorn fjord]

Yeah they are

[thorny pond]

day 1s

then wtf

[thorn fjord]

I think the GM and I are at a bad place

I dont know man

but im not going humor finding another guild till atleast this tier is over

I'm going to finish what i fucking started

[thorny pond]

You are a better person than I

[storm belfry]

is there a way i can make my embellis 418 in a sim

can only seem to add socket or w/e

[thorn fjord]

Which item?

[storm belfry]

just wondering what to upgrade next

[thorn fjord]

Just dromtimize crafted items at 418

[storm belfry]

i have 418 MH and 411 OH, so was debating on cowl or lariat to 418 next for this lil alt oh mine

oh true

idk why i didnt think of that

[thorny pond]

because Dieslow did for you =p

[storm belfry]

true

[shy mica]

Maybe a bit stupid from my end, but is it true that the wowhead / IV guides aren't fully updated? Like for example on wowhead when you pick dragon tempered, it auto picks kingsbane too

[hallow token]

Seems to be the case. If Kingsbane is suboptimal in all builds, it shouldn't be shown at all. Not in builds, not in rotations, nowhere.

[severe sparrow]

where does it autopick that?

[thorn fjord]

FAQ's are up to date atleast @shy mica

[vestal wren]

ye, KB isn't great

[raven knoll]

oof

[lusty elk]

guys whats addons for pvp ?

[oak sky]

#pvp-faq #pvp

[bronze hinge]

bigdebuffs
gladius
omnibar
omnicc
omnicd

[balmy condor]

Did the new images not take

[uncut echo]

Absolutely not, you looked like a fool td

[balmy condor]

I got like 5 pings about it overnight

So something must’ve broken yesterday

Idk what exactly

I updated everything for 10.0.5 except the opener images

[uncut echo]

Lmao

You lil goober

[royal lantern]

we love our lil goober

[frigid pilot]

Imagine ever playing KB

[sonic schooner]

KB enjoyers

[gaunt moat]

wew, finally got broodkeeper

[thorn fjord]

Gratz!

[gaunt moat]

I got laser 4 times in phase 2 🥲

[balmy condor]

where does it pick that

I've been looking, can't find it

[drowsy creek]

I will give up exsanguinate, so annoying to use

[hallow token]

Kingsbane still appears in the recommended talent builds for both single target opener rotation and AoE Opener Rotation (Kingsbane + Carnage) in here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[raven kiln]

It really is just effectively a DPS decrease the when not near perfect execution.

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah that's fine

[drowsy creek]

Yea. so easy to fuck up

[hallow token]

I don't understand. I thought Kingsbane was sub-optimal and shouldn't have talent points spent on it, shouldn't be used in rotations?

[balmy condor]

yeah, kingsbane is like 5-6% worse

but the thing you're pointing out is just a toggler to see how to play with it if you have it talented

it's not being recommended, the option to see how to play with it if you decide to play with it is there though

[hallow token]

Would it be worth adding a note somewhere above those that indicates Kingsbane is non-optimal, but an effective approach is shown below anyway in case they want to try it? Just saying, I had Kingsbane talented longer than I should have, and then saw elsewhere it isn't great, and felt confused. Assassination is not in a great spot right now so running Kingsbane will feel disppointing on top of that.

[balmy condor]

I mean sure, I could add a disclaimer

or people could read the rest of the guide

I feel like if the opener images at the top don't have kingsbane

[raven kiln]

Assassination is not in a great spot? One of the best specs for the hardest fights in the raid.

[balmy condor]

and the recommended talents don't have kingsbane

and the cheat sheet doesn't have kingsbane

[molten widget]

yo, any way I can sim pi on my assa?

[drowsy creek]

Why would you prefer KB? its just another thing to track

[balmy condor]

then that's not on me

cause there's like 25 places where dragon tempered blades is recommended

if someone makes the conscious decision to blast past the ENTIRE GUIDE

and then B-line it for the rotation page

to opt-in into a toggler

for an ability that they don't play

[royal lantern]

i mean, you just slam KB on cd and keep 2shiv charges for it, thats it

[balmy condor]

how is a tiny little disclaimer gonna stop them

they're just gonna blast past that too

[spice spire]

External_buffs.power_infusion=(timer goes here)

[hallow token]

According to the logs yesterday, in raids, assassination is 5th in boss damage, and last on overall damage. https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-balance-in-dragonflight-dratnos-and-tettles-discuss-331669

[balmy condor]

90 pages worth of guide content to not take kingsbane, and I give the option for people who prefer the playstyle

one tiny message at the top ain't doing shit

[molten widget]

Timer for pi?

[drowsy creek]

or use dragon tempered and let your brain rest

[spice spire]

Yeah so like standard is 0/120/240/360 (every two minutes)

But for us it’s 6or7/etc/etc

[raven kiln]

5th on boss damage is still one of the best specs in the game especially when you consider which bosses it's excelling on. Cleave is low because most rogues are swapping outlaw or sub for cleave meaning parses overall will be lower than the reality of the spec.

[balmy condor]

that's kinda cope though isn't it

[spice spire]

That’s largest cope I’ve seen yet

[balmy condor]

if you have people swapping

you still have people playing the spec

or else there would be 0 parses on the spec

[raven kiln]

It's not though, that's the nature of parsing.

[balmy condor]

what

[spice spire]

Oh no

[balmy condor]

I currently only play assassination right

[raven kiln]

It's always been that way where the bottom specs are just the ones left not the ones swapping off.

[balmy condor]

my parse goes into the pool

[raven kiln]

Right but it's one of thousands.

[balmy condor]

yes

and those thousands are also assassination players

less players doesn't mean worse dps

that's not how that works

[raven kiln]

Right but they are all mutually exclusive to assassination.

Right but better players tend to swap when it's advantageous to do so.

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

okay so then why is survival one of the top specs on terros

it's got the lowest play rates in the game

and a spec on the class that is better

in all situations

wouldn't the better players tend to swap then

[raven kiln]

Because bm very much skews that data. A lot of people JUST play bm.

[balmy condor]

that would imply survival is better than bm right now

[raven kiln]

There are more dedicated but not necessarily higher skilled bm players.

Not necessarily just the pool of players who are playing it tend to perform better.

[balmy condor]

okay so the average skill of a survival hunter is higher

therefore survival is doing better

because it's skewing upwards

[drowsy creek]

I mean, there will be always a best spec, to balance that is very hard

[raven kiln]

That's what I'm implying. It's just hard to get really accurate parses because of spec swapping.

Like bm was one of the bottom specs in Shadowlands but I was beating ever mm I raided with.

[balmy condor]

aight good luck

[drowsy creek]

in wow early days was very hard to swich specs, because of items and etc, now you just click one button

rogue specs even share almost the same secondary stats

[tacit otter]

on mythic diurna if i expect a killtimer of 9-9.20 min, i hold exsang + pb for 4 + 8 min dm right?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[gaunt moat]

We had a 8:40 klltimer.
my last DM was at 6:40

Our BM hunter did 12m more damage than me

[royal lantern]

now do the math for 10.0.7

[gaunt moat]

Well, according to hunters in wowhead's comments, at 10.0.7 they get a huge nerf.

[balmy condor]

if we went by wowhead comments, the sky is actually green and blizzard is run by a cabal of space lizards that suck our brain energy out into the game to fuel their home planet of Xa'namash which has run dry of natural resources

and probably also 9/11 and the holocaust was faked

and the moon is made of cheese

[royal lantern]

i mean, the sky lizard Part is a fact

[earnest remnant]

i remember watching tom and jerry growing up and im fairly sure in the episode where they went to the moon it was made out of cheese

[balmy condor]

oh no, the multi-paragraph numbered list wowhead comments

[gaunt moat]

This is why hunters keep getting buffed

[balmy condor]

those are the most unhinged

[gaunt moat]

you gotta read this shit

[royal lantern]

i read it

oh my god

[gaunt moat]

actually insane person

[royal lantern]

thats some peak brainrot

he turns the buff into a nerf

[earnest remnant]

what?????

[royal lantern]

somehow

[gaunt moat]

They're the only class with an affect on their weapon.
and he complains about it.

[storm onyx]

Wow on no:2

“Overall dps gain will net a dps loss”

[royal lantern]

we get a buff, that results in a loss of dmg

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[gaunt moat]

Hunter brains are special.

[storm onyx]

Also states a 415 weapon “useless” the more Bliz lets ppl get gear easier, the more restless ppl become

[gaunt moat]

wait there's more

This guy is feelcrafting hard.

[royal lantern]

well yes

thats why "run a +16 SBG for 418gear xd" is a mistake lol

[oak sky]

hunters are just really stupid basically

[hardy viper]

I think sbg is the mistake , i literally know people at 2700 who have literally just pushed court and sbg

[balmy condor]

they got over 2000 score

from 2 dungeons

impressive

[weak isle]

hey man

math = math

source: trust me bro

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean if you had the highest runs in the world of court and shadowmoon it would still be less than 900 points

but

idk

I also don't know what he means by "people at 2700 pushed"

cause I haven't done keys in like 2 months and I'm around there

[dense herald]

Yeah but you’re a god

[balmy condor]

fuck

maybe he's talking about me

my fort sbg for vault in january

I've been caught

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

WOAH A TWENTY ONE?

overachieving aren't we rlyer?

[drifting cloud]

I was forced

[balmy condor]

take your m+ push mentality over to #outlaw where it belongs

criminal scum

[drifting cloud]

dont worry dont got any 22s

[weak isle]

LOL

[gaunt moat]

you guys are snoozing on easy m+ ranks.
you can easily get pretty pink ranks in WCL

since no one plays sin

[nocturne current]

Oh yeah for sure

[balmy condor]

m+ parses are actually far worse than that to my understanding

[weak isle]

just get pink ranks in raids bro

or grey

[balmy condor]

cause like

[sudden canyon]

pepto bismol pink

[balmy condor]

I have them

but I'm not sure what the factor here is

cause it's not key level

cause my 99 here for example is an 18

[balmy condor]

is it just point based?

[nocturne current]

[balmy condor]

I think the parse might be just points

fucking stupid lmao

if I ever have to apply to a guild

I'm gonna link my dungeon parses

and hope they don't look at it too close

[nocturne current]

99, never use 1 single potion

[balmy condor]

"wow pink parses"

and then just accept me

[gaunt moat]

That's what i did 🥸

[nocturne current]

And I bet I know who the 100% is

[gaunt moat]

Is it another log with 4 PIs? 😂

[weak isle]

actually not

cus i had 2 bm hunters and 1 lock

so i got nuthin

[gaunt moat]

So how'd you get this high

[weak isle]

oh

maybe i did get pi

dont remember assigning myself to that pi

but if i got it maybe that explains xD

[nocturne current]

[weak isle]

nvm

i retake my statement

[gaunt moat]

bruh

[weak isle]

i did get pi'd

[gaunt moat]

you had 3 PIs XD

[weak isle]

now that explains

[nocturne current]

PADDER SHAME

https://tenor.com/view/ha-ha-point-simpsons-nelson-muntz-pointing-gif-26033282

[weak isle]

i felt so happy until now 😦

[gaunt moat]

He's like, "yeah, i just do 86k ST naturally, i'm that good" 😛

[weak isle]

all im saying is, i did not assign pi to myself as RL

[nocturne current]

I don't even know how I got to 80k in Kurog

[oak sky]

no shot you have an untimed 13

💀

[weak isle]

i said "i have 2 bm hunters and 1 lock, i should not get it"

[drifting cloud]

excuse you, its timed

[weak isle]

and i still got it

[nocturne current]

My raid parses bring shame to my family

[gaunt moat]

I'm still even purples-less
sadge

Terrors i always die at. i'm completly pepega there.

[onyx sky]

You guys are beasts

[gaunt moat]

damn, that rasz parse is crazyyy

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[weak isle]

im chilling

[nocturne current]

Dathea would have probably been dead by now if we didn't spend last week wiping on Kurog like it was prog again

[gaunt moat]

Primal council i should be able to do much better
but my brain gets short-circuited trying to keep up with applying dots, alt-tabbing, exsang, puzzle box, IC, marks, soak, touch fire
i get overloaded

Oh yeah. and i literally always forget to equip whetstone. that doesn't help either.

[balmy condor]

The purple is a visual bug

Getting fixed

Don’t worry about it

[gray crest]

the vulpera part is also a visual bug

[balmy condor]

No that’s not a bug

That’s a based

[brazen zodiac]

nice primal parse

im coming after dat >:)

[gaunt moat]

did you stay full ST on brood?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I’m full st on brood until the heat death of the universe im afraid

[nocturne current]

Yeah I can thank Whysp for my council parse

[balmy condor]

All the idiots just taking an m+ build

[gusty mirage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsO4ACCrEx8

[balmy condor]

Don’t you have a guild to kill

Sorry a chicken

A chicken to kill

[nocturne current]

Any video they send I always crack when the dude gets up and starts dancing, every single time

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor I see you're actually delaying DM for exsang
i should probably do it next time

[balmy condor]

only the last cast of the fight

[gaunt moat]

yeah

[balmy condor]

cause I'm not getting another deathmark

[gusty mirage]

I'll choke your chicken

wait, is that not what we were talking about?

[gaunt moat]

yap, my last DM was at 6:40.
fight was 8:40 minutes.
very sadge.

but it's first time we kill it so i didn't know

[balmy condor]

we're talking about the haram things I did with your parents last night

[drifting cloud]

I mean if you looked it up for 20s youd know broodkeeper kills are pretty static in lenght

[gusty mirage]

makes sense

[balmy condor]

yeah your mom told me to whip her labneh

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

are you raiding today whispyr

[balmy condor]

sadly yes

[gaunt moat]

We kept switching people around and had deaths etc. we had many attempts at 2-10% that lasted more than 9 minutes.

so i didn't care to optimize it that much

[drifting cloud]

sure, you killed it pretty fast for your first kill but if it was 1min longer it doesnt change your cd usage

youre getting same amount of dm casts on 8:40 or 9:40

[balmy condor]

not necessarily

[gaunt moat]

i didn't get to cast at at all at 8:40 is what i'm saying

[balmy condor]

In theory sure

but like

[gaunt moat]

my last was at 6:40

[balmy condor]

if shit gets delayed

it's unlucky

[gaunt moat]

Also getting lasers there can mega-disrupt 🥲

which i got like 4 times.

[balmy condor]

I held because I didn't think I would get an extra

but then this happened

[gaunt moat]

what's that

[balmy condor]

deaths

many deaths

[gaunt moat]

hah, i see 3m grieftorch hah

7 casts XD

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

well tbh deaths late on brood are also very common

[gaunt moat]

I also had 6 casts, but i only got 411 version, so it was 2.2m

[balmy condor]

I planned for like 8:30-8:35

and then we got 8:55

[drifting cloud]

thats also your fastest kill tbh

[balmy condor]

yeh

I just thought we would speed it up

cause all our kills were omega sloppy

[gaunt moat]

It's really hard to judge length there. but It's probably best to go safe and hold DM

[balmy condor]

bad planning

[drifting cloud]

well hard disagree but you do you, unless youre 4 healing

[gaunt moat]

we had 4 healers and disc priest

[drifting cloud]

if you gamba and lose a cast that just means you were faster than usual and boss is dead so who cares

[gaunt moat]

On kill I had the worst of both worlds
I didn't sync, and didn't get to cast another DM
so you can see why I'd prefer going safe heh

Also, our warlock died right at the start of phase 2, because he got rooted in sentry

You got pretty lucky to only get 2 lasers whyspr
I swear, everytime i got close to boss, i had to run away again 🥲
And I also ran to the edge of the world cause i forgot when it overlaps with root.

[balmy condor]

it's okay, the last 75 times I got like 5

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, I saw your other parses were unlucky

[balmy condor]

lasers aren't too bad if you just greed it a little and step back halfway through the laser

[gaunt moat]

I did that yesterday.
but i died twice because i got rooted
decided i will do more damage if i will stay alive

But i guess practice is move enough for laser to come close to you then shadowstep back

[drifting cloud]

can cloak that one now that you dont need it for tank soaks anymore

[keen spruce]

we're just using all of the melee for tank soaks

[gaunt moat]

@drifting cloud Is it only the 7:00 that is laser + root?

[keen spruce]

which means on like half of the sets we get like half the raid with 7 stacks of wildfire

[gaunt moat]

or are there other times?

[keen spruce]

I think it's the third and 6th or 7th shroud

in p2

[drifting cloud]

yeah like shmeeps said I believe it happens twice

[keen spruce]

i think it's the one at 7:48

7:04 has shroud + wildfire

[gaunt moat]

I usually use cloak for that one

[keen spruce]

you can healthpot one as well

pretty much instantly breaks it

with any passive healing going out

[gaunt moat]

we're using just 2 rogues with feint, and only for the brewmaster. DK solo it.
but....... the healers have a habit of stepping inside it as well... and dying.

[keen spruce]

i mean if it's 3 people then everyone is taking like 160k or something

we have double warrior so we don't want them taking 480k to the dome

but we do have 3 rogues so i guess we could use all of us with feint for every set

[gaunt moat]

that's what i took, average 103k

[keen spruce]

yeah with feint that adds up

[gaunt moat]

that's very survivable

also one of our healer took one... cause she's pepega. got hit for 230k

2 DHs each took 1, for 80-100k

[keen spruce]

yeah if it was just her and the DK

then it would bonk the shit out of you

[gaunt moat]

and the brew we were helping to soak, got 75k average hit, with only 3 people soaking.

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna make some adjustments

we've got too many people rotting out to wildfire n shit

even when we get to p2 with like 1-2 dead

we had one pull go to like 9:06 and like 16%

but people were droppin like flies

[gaunt moat]

My advice, shout this at them until they start listening:

[keen spruce]

could the rogues soak every tank slam? or do you fall behind too much with the heal absorb on them

[gaunt moat]

1. always move out in a straight line. no strafing bs.
2. add a countdown for wildfires, so you can position in advance away from people around boss.

Your feint CD is ready for each slam, so yeah.
but there's a lot of damage going around in the phase, so it healers gotta keep you topped.
soaking at health HP is risky.

but it's dot damage, so it's not insta death.

[keen spruce]

oh wait the heal absorb only goes on the tank doesn't it

yeah nvm

i'm just gonna have us use 3 rogues for every set

[gaunt moat]

are you RL?

[keen spruce]

not really but i've kinda been elected as a raid assist since our RL quit

we have someone else doing main calls/strats

and i just tell him when he's wrong

and make personnel adjustments to groups n strats n shit

[gaunt moat]

so yeah, having all melee help soak sound like overkill

[keen spruce]

yeah at some point the dot outweighs the damage that the hit would do lol

oh wait dot only on the tank too

[drifting cloud]

yeah we soak it with tanks only most of the time

its so minor after nerfs

[gaunt moat]

ah, yeah i thought we get a dot.
but detonation is just one hit.

[drifting cloud]

the tank killer is the dot, not the initial dmg anyways

[keen spruce]

i think the problem with mass soaking is the choas of lasers and wildfire

overlapping with people trying to crowd in theree

[gaunt moat]

It's so hard to parse damage on brewmaster
all the damage comes from stagger, can't tell what's the source 😬

[runic hinge]

Finally got aotc yesterday. Thanks fam.

[feral rivet]

Theres only one such overlap tho, we just had me and the DH soak with tank for that one, on the others every melee would soak

[severe sparrow]

tfw youre so bad at outlaw you do the same dps as sin and as outlaw on kurog

[wind condor]

So when you vanish into DM in the opener rather than doing it pre exang, do you delay future DM to line up with vanish?

The 7 or so second variance youre left with or just slam it

[balmy condor]

yes

it pushes your DM back to about 2:25-2:30ish

[gaunt moat]

Everytime i see pvp changes I already know it's gonna be assassination

[strange python]

pretty mcuh

asassin is dead in pvp 😦

[balmy condor]

it 100% isn't

keep your shitpost to #pvp with the rest of the monkeys

thanks

[strange python]

how about no but thanks

🙂

your opinion was not asked for nor given a shit for either

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

It wasn't an opinion, it was asking you to keep pvp to pvp

[gusty mirage]

seems like a weird stage to complain about pvp nerfs

[pastel onyx]

:3

wait wrong channel

[gaunt moat]

So no changes this week.
Maybe we'll get the 5% buff next week 🙂

🙂

[wary ice]

Surely

[thorn fjord]

I got a heroic icon on my dk tonight 🤷‍♂️

[neon kindle]

wouldnt this make you bad at sin

[regal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/708109961565044796/963293496607916032/vibe.gif

[kind talon]

nah

[strange python]

Gl in your vaults sinners

[royal lantern]

vault tomorrow you NA andy

[oak sky]

mines gonna be a banger