assassination

[subtle tundra]

hope you get better

[viscid spear]

Truly

[ember mural]

Congrats you're American

[storm belfry]

Is this a rogue?

[thorn fjord]

That’s a lead singer of an Indy band based out of Portland Oregon

[wild lantern]

I straight up forgot tonight was key night dw boo

[spice spire]

You actually gonna be there?

[wild lantern]

I'll be there if you will though

[spice spire]

Ye even if it’s just us

We can pound a few 16s to get your ksm done

[wild lantern]

If we get lucky I'd only need 2-3 keys

Even 15s

[thorn fjord]

My cow is really tasty just sayin

[wild lantern]

I straight up haven't done like 3 Tyr keys

One of which is sitting in my bags

But I gotta go work calls, bbs

[spice spire]

Temple, Avo, and HoV

Glhf

[thorn fjord]

If it’s just you two and he needs an av we can do mine

Ill drop it to 20

[spice spire]

She’s not even 400

She plays a different game than we do

(Hardcore collector)

[storm belfry]

Can I get free tickets?

[gusty mirage]

that's the best warlock NA

the one and only Blackvneck

[storm belfry]

Oh man, I thought Ratjamxd was the best warlock NA

Blackvneck is such a good name tho Lmfao

[gusty mirage]

ratjam may have higher IO

but blackvneck has the swagger

and accepts the fact that warlock is a meme

that's why he runs around with a watering can

[storm belfry]

Super based tbh

[jade abyss]

Medium?

[storm belfry]

Honestly surprised you don’t have him in the clown mog Oxi lol

[thorn fjord]

Medium Rare

[gusty mirage]

that'd require me to play more wow than I care to

[neon kindle]

where do i put my application in to become the ST rogue

[storm belfry]

[earnest remnant]

im gonna recreate your parry clip next week, either push or me are going boss next week, and then we swap each week for it, and if its me that clip is gonna happen

[gusty mirage]

lmao

god

fuck that boss bro

shadowstep boss

parry

like oh okay

[jade abyss]

perfect

[frail rivet]

!plater

or something

kek

[uncut echo]

[jade abyss]

i love that emote

[vestal wren]

[storm belfry]

[sudden canyon]

any1 have a spammable macro that will cast Exsang before Puzzlebox. even if i press it durring a gcd?

[thorn fjord]

Nah fam thats sus

[sudden canyon]

not sus

thought there might be a hacky way to do it with cast sequence.

[storm belfry]

[inland geode]

Hi, where can i find news on the new nerf on sin and ideas for now

[storm belfry]

What nerf

[oak sky]

if ur talking pvp check out #pvp

[inland geode]

what about pve

[gusty mirage]

there aren't any new nerfs

[spice spire]

Pins and #assassination-faq

[inland geode]

Thank you

[gusty mirage]

because if blizzard decided to nerf any rogue spec again

I will fly out to Irvine

and I will take a shit on Ion's desk

quote me on that

[marble hemlock]

how about you fly out to me instead

[storm belfry]

Can I come to watch

[marble hemlock]

so we can hug?

[storm belfry]

I don’t want to watch the act I just want to see their live reaction

[fading wigeon]

Assasination better be the best in single target next tier or else I ll be joining you on your trip to ions office Oxi

[gusty mirage]

or if you're going to make assassination mediocre as fuck in ST

give us viable aoe

to whoever from blizzard may be reading this

you proved you can do it for spriest & feral

[storm belfry]

Isn’t our AOE p good now

At least better than before

I like carnage. Would you want something different or have a shorter cd?

[runic hinge]

You can have a 5% buff to flying daggers as a little treat

Blizzard logic

[sudden canyon]

cute

[balmy condor]

If by pretty good you mean below average, then yeah

[thorn fjord]

Yo can i come?

[gusty mirage]

sorry

gotta make your own way there

[thorn fjord]

I'll scream at the top of my lungs as you're shitting

To add to the effect

[inland geode]

Mythic+: Dragon-Tempered Blades . is this build is the viable right now for mythic plus

[balmy condor]

Gonna have to be a little more specific I’m afraid

Dragon tempered blades the talent is used in our best m+ build

And sin is viable up to a point

It’s not gonna keep up in the highest of keys though

[inland geode]

how come

[craggy oak]

Lacks aoe, lacks boss dmg

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Just shit dam

[slow marsh]

m

i

d

[inland geode]

but isnt the best build for sin, u mean for high keys I should go for sub

[balmy condor]

Sub/outlaw for high keys yes

[violet talon]

it depends on how your group pulls too

[balmy condor]

Sin does fine until like 22/23

[craggy oak]

I meen play what you want, the HIGHEST of keys will be out of reach for sin

But you can get title with sin perfectly fine

[sudden canyon]

when he says highest he means like 27++

[balmy condor]

Not really

[craggy oak]

But what you will find if you pug, you will be kicked from groups if they see u sin

[balmy condor]

It suffers lower than that imo

[sudden canyon]

unless youre zerocool.

[balmy condor]

You can make it work but it’s not great

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[inland geode]

I just want to stop for a sec and say "THANK YOU GUYS" you all so helpful omg

❤️

[uncut echo]

You caught us on good behavior

[inland geode]

lol

[gusty mirage]

[inland geode]

So should i just for sub from the start?

[uncut echo]

Sub is meta. And strong.

It is fairly boring

[balmy condor]

I think you should play what you want, if you have to ask us what to play, you don’t play at a level where it matters

[sudden canyon]

i havent gotten kicked for playing sin 15s. its usually more of a surprise.

[violet talon]

Play what you have fun with. If your goal is KSM/KSH you can do that as Sin. If you wanna push 25's you probably would have an easier time of it as sub

[inland geode]

true

[sudden canyon]

they always ask "is sin good rn?" after beat em

[slow marsh]

Guys I just want to thank you so much for all the help you've been for me. Before I joined this discord I parsed all greens and could barely get 3rd in 15s. Thanks to all of you and your help, especially @balmy condor , I parsed at least blue on every fight and can easily get 2nd in 16s and 17s. I really couldn't have done it without all the tips and tricks and the log reviews as well. Now I am a big pumper and I owe it all to this discord!

[uncut echo]

Toxic

[thorn fjord]

Suck up

[slow marsh]

It's the truth

[balmy condor]

[thorn fjord]

I’m thankful for RH helping my work days go by faster

And I’ve made some cool friends in here

[balmy condor]

I’m thankful for RH helping me with my depression irl by shifting my depression into a virtual space instead. I suffer a lot from mental issues and now I can let it out onto strangers on the internet that I’ll never meet in real life you guys are all losers

[thorn fjord]

Based

[limpid ermine]

highly agree with this 😉

[gusty mirage]

whatever you say nerd

back to the sim dungeon

go crunch some numbers

[balmy condor]

Back to where you came from

[gusty mirage]

gladly

buy me a ticket

and I'll leave tonight

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

Wait that's literally what just happened to me on god

[thorn fjord]

Glad to see the storm didn’t take your ass out @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

I have a generator

[balmy condor]

It’s me in a hamster wheel

[gusty mirage]

65% chance to duplicate div cards, is this the run I get my apoth? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Silence, Trains

[balmy condor]

No shot you’re playing poe in a time like this

[uncut echo]

[gusty mirage]

yeah, haha, I'm just joking

[uncut echo]

I feel like this is oppression

[royal lantern]

Open assa channel

they talk about poe

[gusty mirage]

I got bullied out of off-topic

[royal lantern]

ah yes, the spec is in a good state

[gusty mirage]

and sebe doesn't respond to poe channel

so I have to bother whispyr

[spice spire]

Open sin channel

Talking poe

Do a 360 and walk away

[uncut echo]

Whispyr called me a piece of automotive equipment

[balmy condor]

You could play maplestory, or you could play my heart, but instead you’re farming a mageblood in a dead game

[spice spire]

He’s called me worse

[gusty mirage]

I cannot

[royal lantern]

uh, AKSHUALY a 360 means a full circle and you stay 🤓

[gusty mirage]

I'm so fucking confused

[subtle tundra]

wth why you on poe

[spice spire]

He found the joke

[royal lantern]

thats why i said akshualy and made the nerd emote

[gusty mirage]

insane concept

I actually enjoy the game

[spice spire]

Yeah that ones been unironically used on me a few times

[balmy condor]

A train is not automotive equipment, but maybe that’s how you see yourself since you get used so much?

[royal lantern]

cringe

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

[balmy condor]

No you don’t

[uncut echo]

Im glad you're having fun

[balmy condor]

I don’t enjoy the game, so you can’t either

[gusty mirage]

oh my bad

[uncut echo]

Also whispyr's on CD for the day

[gusty mirage]

I also learned today that you can't criticize a game

and still enjoy it

I've learned so much today!

[uncut echo]

YEAH

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I learn that all the time when people ask me why I play wow when I just complain all the time

My cat likes being under the blankets with me

That’s all I have to share

:3

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

I didn't know I was a cat

[uncut echo]

I learned you're a bully whispyr

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

The term is bigot

[uncut echo]

Oh are you RPing bigotry rn

[storm belfry]

I was gonna say the same thing. He somehow makes it work. P good damage too from what I’ve seen

[royal lantern]

i want to thank blizzard for giving us a offical UwU emote btw

[balmy condor]

Yeah I thought you don’t get enough in your day to day life

[spice spire]

He’s German

[storm belfry]

[balmy condor]

Yeah more power to him

[uncut echo]

I love you

Pop off

[spice spire]

Never say those words to him

This is how you get toe pics

[balmy condor]

Oh you crave rejection too? What am I, your parents?

[spice spire]

Infected toe pics

[storm belfry]

[uncut echo]

My parents love me, honey

Nt

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

my dad hates me

[uncut echo]

Well, not my dad lmao

[spice spire]

Iykyk

[balmy condor]

TOE FUNGUS HAPPENS

ITS FINE

[storm belfry]

It does

[uncut echo]

Pop off

[spice spire]

Not even top 200 worst things I’ve seen

If that tells you anything

[balmy condor]

THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP BITCHING ABOUT IT

[spice spire]

Because I’m criticizing your love language sweaty

❤️

Y’know what’s actually up there @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Mfer sees one crusty ass toe and has to mention it in every conversation shake my damn head

[marble hemlock]

you do like your mushrooms

[uncut echo]

Ahh, yes

[balmy condor]

Who’s got the foot fetish now

[uncut echo]

Sic em boys

[balmy condor]

Rent free in your head quake

Thinking bout my toes all day

[royal lantern]

who DOESNT?

[balmy condor]

Love mushrooms

I Order extra mushrooms on my pizza

And my sandwiches

And my burgers

[royal lantern]

and bettwen your toes

[spice spire]

I had a homeless guy with a trach in that had been sleeping on a discarded mattress for weeks. It had gotten so bad, that he went to the er. And they immediately sent him up. They had to clean bed bugs among other things out of this man’s trach my guy

Thoughts?

[balmy condor]

I saw a tiktok of a bug in a dudes ear canal once

[spice spire]

But not a hive of them down their neck

Lucky

[balmy condor]

Boutta give you a hive of children down your neck if you don’t stfu bruder

[spice spire]

Brubby?

[uncut echo]

Whispyr woke up and chose cringe

Jeeeesus

[spice spire]

Guess ur about to get strep dick homie

[royal lantern]

"chose"

[balmy condor]

Do not hate the cringe, kill the part of you that cringes

[uncut echo]

Myself?

On it chief

[balmy condor]

Hol up

[spice spire]

Also on the subject of toes mister Vhispyr I recall you in my dms

Who lives rent free in who’s head? 🤨

[balmy condor]

I know what I am quake

Your words, or I guess my words, cannot hurt me

[spice spire]

Ily

[uncut echo]

Whispyr likes toes, I like fat chicks, we're all safe here

[spice spire]

Combined you like fat toes

[uncut echo]

[balmy condor]

My cat like climbing up on my back when I go to the bathroom

But I just got out of bed

So I don’t have a shirt on

And now my back hurts

[spice spire]

I should call her

[thorn fjord]

Fat girls with little feet

I like them little chunky feet

Cute af

[spice spire]

Luckily I have large feet. So I’m safe from mister dieslow

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the disqualification

Not you being a guy

[thorn fjord]

Equal opportunities here my man

[gusty mirage]

its 2023 bro

wtf

[balmy condor]

yeah it's 2023, he's allowed to be hetero

[ember mural]

Can I be also be hataro

[gusty mirage]

I think doz just committed a hate crime

[thorn fjord]

I’m only gay on the weekends

[gusty mirage]

[ember mural]

[balmy condor]

I'm only gay

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna become the most powerful yugioh card

[spice spire]

?

[thorn fjord]

We mtg boiz out here man

[balmy condor]

you heard me

[thorn fjord]

Ain’t got time for kids games

[royal lantern]

ashblossom&joyfull spirit?

[balmy condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv/clip/RelatedDepressedBeefChefFrank-ZRs2DkYn4YYpKjd9

[oak sky]

pot of greed

[spice spire]

Allows you to draw two cards

[oak sky]

idk what it does bro

[spice spire]

Four eyes four years white dragon

[royal lantern]

bruh that right bar is cursed af

[thorn fjord]

My co workers were explaining how to play Yugio to me

[balmy condor]

it's just my click bar

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gross-gif-23415329

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats also my click bar

[balmy condor]

I click things on that bar

[thorn fjord]

My face the whole time

[viscid spear]

*Yu-Gi-Oh!

[royal lantern]

still, sort it

[sudden canyon]

i really need to hop on this lariat wagon. a 395 is a 1.5%

[thorn fjord]

My apologies

[balmy condor]

brother it's march

[thorn fjord]

Better late than never

[sudden canyon]

brother i started mid jan and this system is a mess

[viscid spear]

I mean they yell it in the OP

[balmy condor]

my gf has came quicker than that

[sudden canyon]

my gf doesnt come

[royal lantern]

wow, you are a monster in bed

[earnest remnant]

[sudden canyon]

but i do

[thorn fjord]

Big boss energy

[viscid spear]

Can't arrive if you don't exist

[balmy condor]

I know, I have to spread it out over multiple days

[oak sky]

ur such a chad man

[balmy condor]

it's like a project

gotta assign roles and stuff

huge headache

just like the ones my gf gets when I get into bed

[sudden canyon]

excel sheeets

whole new meaning to "freak in the sheets" tbh

[thorn fjord]

Which toys are BiS

[storm belfry]

What WA set is that

[thorn fjord]

Looks like Afenars

[balmy condor]

ye

just a slightly edited afenars

cause aint no way I'm tracking elaborate planning next to blindside procs bro

[spice spire]

R u not

[balmy condor]

I deleted elaborate planning yeah

just got rid of the whole thing

[sudden canyon]

potion clicker

[balmy condor]

they're macro'd into deathmark, I just use it to see how many I have left

[sudden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/clickers-zombies-bored-gif-14222924

if i use opie

am i technically clicking

[balmy condor]

no

[blazing arrow]

breuh

they only had multigrain baguette

no sourdough

[gusty mirage]

bruh

[blazing arrow]

[sudden canyon]

multigrain?

[gusty mirage]

wrong channel

[sudden canyon]

thats a sin

[blazing arrow]

whatever

[balmy condor]

wait no no

[blazing arrow]

it's here now

[balmy condor]

hear him out

I'm into sourdough

[gusty mirage]

you're also into cat ears

[sudden canyon]

agrument depleted.

wait im into cat ears too, just not wearing them

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-okay-and-who-asked-capy-gif-23030222

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't want to hear hataro's opinion on those either

[earnest remnant]

i could def pull off some cat ears

[sudden canyon]

theres no aotc mount?

[spice spire]

Nop

[sudden canyon]

wow

[blazing arrow]

exc use me

sir

[uncut echo]

I fuck with cat ears hard

[sudden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/video-film-record-media-gif-5875631

[spice spire]

Whispyr literally does

[uncut echo]

Whispyr if you wear cat ears next stream I sub + you kill raz

[sudden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-girl-anime-oof-gif-22087678

[uncut echo]

Win win?

[balmy condor]

I wore 2 pairs at once and we didn't even get to p2

you lie

[uncut echo]

I wasnt there idiot

Your local train was getting maintenanced

Or something idfk

[balmy condor]

hormones aren't maintenance wench

[uncut echo]

Sleep is

You whore

[spice spire]

What is it about Fridays that puts whispyr on one?

[balmy condor]

big words from someone who willingly decided to be one

[uncut echo]

It's kind of a lifestyle

[oak sky]

when do i get to be a whore

[earnest remnant]

i thoroughly enjoy it, gives me something to read while im bored

[uncut echo]

Also we're hitting the point where I don't know if your aggression is memes or serious

Idk if we're besties or mortal enemies rn

[oak sky]

its only serious if you mention puzzle box

and like where you put it in the opener

[uncut echo]

🅱️uzzle🅱️ox?

[balmy condor]

I have that effect on people

[spice spire]

That’s his shtick

[thorn fjord]

Think its a little of both @uncut echo lol

[spice spire]

Triple ping

Damn

[uncut echo]

I'm famous

[balmy condor]

in the end

[spice spire]

It sure does

[balmy condor]

it's up to you to decide which we are

[thorn fjord]

We Ahri fans out here yo

[uncut echo]

IT DIDNT EVEN MATTER

[balmy condor]

[thorn fjord]

I aint trying to get on the bad side of the chick with all the guns

[uncut echo]

That's not fair this is a two party relationship

[oak sky]

does she have a glicky

[thorn fjord]

Prob

[uncut echo]

You're not that sub that I decide if we're friends or not

I'm a CZ gal, glocks are for pussies

[oak sky]

omg its like csgo

[uncut echo]

Lmfaoooo

[oak sky]

you got the one with the fucked spray pattern

gotta drag really far to the side

to the left

[earnest remnant]

[oak sky]

[uncut echo]

That emote is so cursed

[balmy condor]

yeh but I'm chilling, I vibe both ways

[uncut echo]

I gotcha buddy

I just wasnt sure if I made you mad or not

[gusty mirage]

remember when we were friends?

good times

[uncut echo]

Oxi and I were friends for 48 hours

[earnest remnant]

you and i still have a date Oxi

[oak sky]

wtf

whens our date

[spice spire]

February 30th 2024

[oak sky]

whats so special about february 30th??????????

i dont get it??????

[thorn fjord]

😛

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

I couldn’t choose the 29th because next year is a leap year

I actually got my guild with that this year tho, so W ig

[oak sky]

stealthi doesnt want me

[earnest remnant]

so when is our date night with Cocaine bear

[storm belfry]

What about cocaine shark

[uncut echo]

I prefer cocaine bark

Like peppermint bark, but coke

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

yeah the directory of cocaine bear says she wants to make cocaine shark now

Go figure

id want to see Cocaine Giraffe or some shit

[uncut echo]

I'm doing ayahausca next month, I can't wait

[earnest remnant]

id watch Roid Raccoon

would be a banger 4sure

[spice spire]

That’s just you irl innit

[earnest remnant]

true

i guess i should make documentary about myself then

[spice spire]

I’d watch it

[earnest remnant]

most boring documentary ever

[thorn fjord]

Roided racoon sounds like it would be pretty interesting tho

[spice spire]

Nah that’s mine dog.
Wake up, gym, walk, Drive, work, drive, home, cook, wow (optional) sleep

5 days a week

[earnest remnant]

now imagine this

but i do it all from home

i dont go outside

[royal lantern]

[earnest remnant]

wake up, coffee, work, gym, nap, eat, wow, sleep

[spice spire]

The drive is 3-6 hours of my day

That means you have 3-6 hours of actual content more than I

[earnest remnant]

only time i leave the house is if im needed physically at the officer for meetings etc

and thats a 10 min walk away

[spice spire]

Europe sounds better every day

Cars suck

[earnest remnant]

i dont have a car, ive got a motorcycle tho

[spice spire]

Jealous

I wish there was a car free place in America that was habitable my ass would be living there instantly

[storm belfry]

Cocaine Hyena

[uncut echo]

I like my car

[thorny pond]

Wyoming

[uncut echo]

But I hate gas

[storm belfry]

True

[spice spire]

I said habitable

I put 50k miles on my car over the pandemic

Just driving back and forth to work

Every day

[thorny pond]

Some bum fuckle lives in Texas can probably tell you about a ranch with no cars you can live at

ram ranch or something

[spice spire]

Bro I love ram ranch

[uncut echo]

My car drowned in 2019

And I made out like a bandit

Got a 2020 camry for like 185 / month

[spice spire]

My car is paid off

[uncut echo]

In the most beautiful color

[spice spire]

And I’m driving that mf til it dies

[uncut echo]

Im jelly lmaoooo

[spice spire]

Bro heck car payments

[thorny pond]

My only paid off car was totaled by some woman doing her makeup

so now I keep a car payment

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

I just paid my car off finally

Last car I paid off got totaled same month I paid it

Hand in there @thorny pond

Sneaky beach

[storm belfry]

I’m in Texas but everyone has cars here

Even the hillbilly red necks

[lucid mirage]

After you use Exan/DM, should I wait till almost 0 before reapplying the dots, or is it standard pandemic? I'm not sure if it over-rides or not

[thorn fjord]

You can let your bleeds run out during exsang

[gaunt moat]

Exsang - snapshot -> Don't override
DM - dynamic -> Can Pandemic

[thorn fjord]

^^^

[limpid quest]

can some one tell me what best missive stats to put on lariat neck??

[thorn fjord]

Crit mastery

[limpid quest]

ty

[marble hemlock]

does this still exist?

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[marble hemlock]

good

not sure if updated tho

doesnt look like it

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

[vital cave]

how much apm has assassination right now ?

[oak sky]

55 mabye

maybe

[gusty mirage]

close

"54.1"

[drifting cloud]

cant believe youd lie like that agreon

[gusty mirage]

I can't believe it's not butter

[balmy condor]

I can’t believe people see that number and play venom rush

[marble hemlock]

I can't believe cashews aren't nuts

[kind talon]

cashews arent nuts?

what the hell

[ebon notch]

Fruit

[nocturne current]

Tomatoes too.

[balmy condor]

well I knew that Tomatoes weren't nuts

[kind talon]

its technically a drupe

[sudden canyon]

wtf are yall on

[neon kindle]

question is, why aren't you on it

[sudden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-clone-battlefront2-watch-those-wrist-rockets-gif-22400463

[kind talon]

alex jones stormtrooper gets owned by droid

what is that man

[balmy condor]

the water is turning the frogs gay

[storm belfry]

[gaunt moat]

It's worth delaying grieftouch until DM is over?

[oak tangle]

i don't think there's a reason to, but i find it lines up with the end of exsanged rupture in opener, so you may need to delay to after you reapply

[sudden canyon]

do you ever torch mid shiv?

[oak tangle]

99% of the time my thought processes about shiv dissapear the moment i press it

[oak sky]

i would just wait until after or press it before

but i bet its not really significant either way

[sudden canyon]

damn. just wait till they rework ap and make a mastery stacking build viable. then people will stop being so mean to shiv. our specs core ability.

i think if it wasnt for Cut to the Chase we wouldnt even pick up improved shiv.

[oak sky]

thats just not true

lmao

[thorn fjord]

Replace RC with unity

[sudden canyon]

everytime i see wowhead articles about ptr and blue posts and theres not a mention of assass i get sad.

[thorn fjord]

Better than seeing another nerf

[balmy condor]

[oak tangle]

they should make shiv like void ascension, give us a low cd ability that replaces shiv whilst it's buf is active. i've shivved them, now let me twist the knife whilse it's still in there

[balmy condor]

we really just out here saying stuff

[thorn fjord]

What you don’t like my unity idea?

[balmy condor]

your unity idea is fine, would just be broken

[thorn fjord]

Would be beautiful and maybe make sepsis relevant

But who gives a shit about sepsis

I just wanna run flag as sub and get them low CDs

[sudden canyon]

how much is the 20% nature dmg from improved shiv really if your just sending and forgetting shiv and not trying to set up for dumping as many envenoms in the window as possible.

[thorn fjord]

Flag now is zzzz

[thorn fjord]

That interaction was lame

Back with TB it wasn’t fun

[storm belfry]

I loved using it idk what it is

The icon is also beautiful

[oak tangle]

a vanish charge with a dot

kinda

[sudden canyon]

im just wondering why would current sin would take the talent if it wasnt required for cttc.

i guess coz the point has nowhere better togo coz u cant move it down the tree

shit tree

[balmy condor]

because envenom isn't the only thing that does damage?

[thorn fjord]

It’s not even our top 3 damage

Abilities

Or is it lol after garrote and rupture

I just be saying shit

[balmy condor]

envenom is about equal to gar/rup if you're not counting poison bomb as envenom damage

but like hypothetically, if you were to just drop improved shiv, and maintain cttc

it's still like a 2% loss

improved shiv is fine

[oak tangle]

why is "assassination" a dot class

[thorn fjord]

I’d rather not have to try and focus squeezing in as many Env during shiv

That’s not fun imo

Cause then we’re pulling and all that

I’d rather not pull

[thorn fjord]

Sub has the better rupture so I dunno 🤣

[balmy condor]

I mean if you combine deadly and amp poison together, that's already doing more than envenom

idk why trying to fit as many envenoms as possible into a shiv window

is such a hyped mini game

[thorn fjord]

It’s lame

[balmy condor]

shiv is an uptime debuff

you go for uptime

more casts = higher uptime

[sudden canyon]

[oak tangle]

budget subtlety

[thorn fjord]

I’m surprised they didn’t just bring back TB

[sudden canyon]

do you prefer 100% EP uptime minigame.

[oak tangle]

me: mum can we have subtlety damage windows????
mum: we have subtlety damage windows at home
at home: shiv + envenom

[oak sky]

thats not a minigame thats do we have enough energy to maintain ep check

[gaunt moat]

I think envenoming during shiv window is way better gameplay than just "use on CD", cause it actually has some meaningful affect on your rotation or pooling.
but sin has become a moderately high APM spec now.

[thorn fjord]

Ep is a nice qol button

That interacts well

[balmy condor]

we don't play around that either though

[sudden canyon]

we dont play around anything

[balmy condor]

correct

[thorn fjord]

That’s the spec

[sudden canyon]

its just send on cd

[thorn fjord]

Dot uptime

[balmy condor]

uptime = on cooldown usually yes

[thorn fjord]

It’s been this way for a while now

[oak tangle]

dropping plates - disturbed

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-plates-gif-13275991

Our four poisons garrote and rupture

🤣

Look he let garrote drop

[oak tangle]

nah last one is puzzle + exsang

[thorn fjord]

Missed the pand window

[gaunt moat]

The hardest strategy about playing sin now, is to actually know that you have to use stuff on CD
If you were the read abilities, you would naturally be led to believe, you're supposed to squeeze envenoms into shiv windows

[sudden canyon]

nah last one is SnD in m+

[oak tangle]

it'd be cool if they made the envenom buff stack that would probably make you chain them

[gaunt moat]

especially if they'd give us that empowered CP back

[oak tangle]

but there'd be some degenerate casting at any number of cps to stick inside globals

[thorn fjord]

If they wanted us to be pumping out envenoms like that KB wouldn’t have gotten fucked

[sudden canyon]

there was an env minigame where you wanted to make your you had enough energy to env + 2x mut and keep env buff up.

we have AP and the weird as env talent but env buff so weak not worth playing around ig

[oak tangle]

what if, and hear me out. SND got extended based on envenom stacks. to the point where only a few stacks didnt cut it to perma extend. and shiv could be used to add duration to envenom stacks

[sudden canyon]

what if we got death from above.

thats it

[oak tangle]

what does ig mean, this zoomer technology is losto n me

[sudden canyon]

i guess

[oak tangle]

makes sense, ty

[gaunt moat]

No no, just remove SnD.. it's a bad button.

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[sudden canyon]

yea i never liked that.

[thorn fjord]

They just had to bring it back

Nobody likes pressing snd

[oak tangle]

and to add to my previous suggestion, make poison bomb an active, and it deals more damage based on envenom stacks

[sudden canyon]

well the thing is it just never falls off and essentially just becomes a global you have to play around in ur opener

[oak tangle]

so the loop would be chaining together envenom stacks for as long as possible to dump into a big poison bomb

[thorn fjord]

Not the case for OL and sun tho

Sub

[gaunt moat]

I dunno about replacing PB, but an AoE button that does something like that i would love.

[sudden canyon]

yea i meant for sin w/ cttc

[thorn fjord]

Macabre with sec Tec

🤷‍♂️

[gaunt moat]

pretty much

[sudden canyon]

i wish PB was on use as well

[gaunt moat]

I dunno, i like procs.

we have enough buttons

[oak tangle]

you could actually rely and use pb in aoe though

[sudden canyon]

the proc is so shit when it only procs on env. it was okay with env/rupture procs.

[oak tangle]

would also give assass funnel

or rather antifunnel

[gaunt moat]

But replacing CT with something like that macare+sectec idea, yes.

[thorn fjord]

Rupture doesn’t proc pb anymore?

[gaunt moat]

no

[thorn fjord]

Never even bothered to notice

[sudden canyon]

youd notice in m+

😭

its okay tho coz we got IC

[oak tangle]

allow rupture to be buffed by stealth liek garrote and make CT a 45s cd that applies rupture

[sudden canyon]

We used to snapshot rupture with NS talent. not fun.

[gaunt moat]

They increased PB proc rate, and removed rupture from proccing it.
Then 3 weeks into expansion nerfed proc chance. but didn't bring rupture proc.

[oak tangle]

other option, make CT hit all targets with a poison on them for 20% of normal envenom damage

[sudden canyon]

oof. i didnt follow any of the expac development

so i have no clue what was lost

i didnt even start playing till after yall lost KB

i didnt get to experience that

[gaunt moat]

IIRC, PB had 10% per CP to proc at start of expansion

[thorn fjord]

Or we can get a flat 5%-10% buff to over all dmg and we could be Gucci

It wouldn’t happen

But the play style isn’t awful

[sudden canyon]

no. the spec plays bad.

[thorn fjord]

I don’t agree

But then again I don’t play sin in keys

I don’t think the play style is awful

[oak tangle]

the spec doesn't play bad (at everything) it's just it plays bad at something in a key

[oak sky]

I want an energy drain

Thats about it

[sudden canyon]

dont run tea

[thorn fjord]

I would like KB back

[sudden canyon]

lol

[gaunt moat]

playstyle is fine. but there are problems that need addressing in regards to cleave, AoE, button bloat, synergy, talent tree structure.

[oak sky]

That doesnt solve the problem at all

[sudden canyon]

pressing tea on the opener for the mastery feels like shit btw.

[oak sky]

I want to see a choice node for ct with like a higher damage one maybe with a shorter dot that costs more energy against a longer duration or something like that

[oak tangle]

if they fixed NS and we took a dance charge. would we start to worry about chaining envenoms

[oak sky]

You could play longer duration in lower target scenarios

And play the high damage high energy one for aoe

Something along those lines

[sudden canyon]

what do you guys think about dispatch blindside?

[oak tangle]

i think it's an outlaw ability

[sudden canyon]

no its not

[oak sky]

Blindside good

[oak tangle]

you can't edit your post like that to get me lol

[oak sky]

Proc feels good, makes us use an existing spell

[thorn fjord]

Eh

[sudden canyon]

feels like part of the button bloat problem to me

id rather the proc be on something more central to the kit

[thorn fjord]

Taking ep over bs back in SL always felt better imo

[gaunt moat]

I wish I know why does sin get a UI element when it procs, and outlaw doesn't 😂

[oak tangle]

it's just meant to be a free mutilate essentially

do that

[thorn fjord]

Smoll Indy company

It’s really dumb that opportunity doesn’t get a ui element

[gaunt moat]

it's so dumb, they expect you to track buff?

[thorn fjord]

Tracking it is fine… but like if one spec has the visual and the other doesn’t

That doesn’t make much sense

[slow marsh]

Using default UI

[thorn fjord]

They could just use the same assets

[gaunt moat]

it's only fine if you use WA, goodluck if you don''t

[thorn fjord]

I use Elvui

[thorn fjord]

Exactly

[oak tangle]

if you had one moment, one opportunity proc. would you see it? or just let it slip

[gaunt moat]

How it's like playing outlaw tracking procs

[thorn fjord]

I use a sound indicator for opportunities

Fuck that noise

[gaunt moat]

It would also take like 10 seconds to hook it up.

[oak tangle]

pls tell me eminem soundbite

[gaunt moat]

Maybe they got tired after making a proc UI for pistolshot

called it a day

[gaunt moat]

with the amount it procs that would be rap god

[oak tangle]

"if you had..if you had..if you had...if you had..if you had..if you had"

[sudden canyon]

i feel they havent touched spec ux since legion.

https://tenor.com/view/have-you-ever-had-a-dream-gif-18266030

[thorn fjord]

Nah it’s the wa gunshot

[gaunt moat]

yuka yu

[gaunt moat]

Maybe they forgot how

[sudden canyon]

maybe there was like 3 people working on it and they got fired and nobody has thought about touching it coz classes/specs have 0 contact with their devs or some sort of community rep on behalf of the dev team.

[oak tangle]

hey they changed vendetta for death mark, job done

https://tenor.com/view/sonny-carisi-svu-law-and-order-svu-dominick-carisi-carisi-gif-19519871

[sudden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/peon-wood-cutting-warcraft3-working-orc-warcraft3reforged-gif-20426329

"jobs done"

[oak tangle]

"more work"

[gaunt moat]

The only way to reach devs is with WoWhead articles.
they didn't even realize what they were doing to hunters until the article was published that it's a bad idea.

[thorn fjord]

That and all the hate mail

[sudden canyon]

Its crazy though. If i was in charge of developing and maintining a system. and i had real time access to feedback from the users why tf wouldnt i take advantage of that

[gaunt moat]

well I'll let you know

back at the closed alpha of BfA

the previous rogue developer talked to a few of us, and we had a private discord with him to give rogue changes feedback and ideas

I told the people of this channel about this, and asked them for ideas to pass along

Wrote a whole organized document with ideas

I don't think he even looked at it 🥲

[oak tangle]

convinced they have an agenda for which classes they want played

[gaunt moat]

cause I was against CT

[sudden canyon]

the hubris

[oak tangle]

and rogue just isnt one of them

[oak sky]

yeah man

[sudden canyon]

rogue is always poppin

[oak sky]

thats why they just

added atrophic poison this expansion

because they dont want rogue to be played

[oak tangle]

idk, the one time in previous expansions where there were actually rogues played in mythic prog was sub and they nerfed it

rogue played this one, they nerf it

inherently rogue has always needed to be better to get a spot, which sure it makes sense to nerf it, but why would you take a rogue if something else is on par but has better group buffs

[sudden canyon]

ill agree that when rogue is good they seem to overreact, even if the scenario is niche.

[gaunt moat]

Because survivability

[slow marsh]

Can you read

[gaunt moat]

rogues don't die

[oak sky]

its almost like they gave us a raid buff this expansion

not quite though

[gaunt moat]

we're like cockroaches

[oak sky]

only almost

[kind talon]

rogues have been very strong

for multiple expansions

like top dps

every tier almost

[sudden canyon]

they dont know i run mind numbing coz my pugs suck at kicking.

[oak sky]

ok well

in keys

you dont need a buff

lmao

ur a rogu

e

you bring shroud

and like 4 single target stops

and cloak

and feint

[kind talon]

and damage

[sudden canyon]

and tricks

[slow marsh]

And a dong

[oak tangle]

i understand that atrophic exists and is probably the main reason any got played at all. but why tf does bm need to be top ST damage over assass? nerf assass because it was doing well, but buff the most brain dead class to top st

[kind talon]

a huge one at that

unless ur me

[oak sky]

its not the main reason any got played at all tho

[kind talon]

liquid played THREE ROGUES

[oak sky]

rogue was the strongest class in the game for the first 3ish weeks

[kind talon]

MULTIPLE SPECS

it was insane

sin was strongest st for prog and outlaw was best in cleave fights

[soft shale]

rogue just has an expiry date like hot colombianas

[oak sky]

even now sub is a fairly high tier spec

[oak tangle]

yes but it didnt stay that way

[soft shale]

gotta cope with it

[oak tangle]

is what im saying

[kind talon]

but rogue didnt get weaker

[oak sky]

sin got overnerfed and it sucked

[kind talon]

other specs just got buffed

[oak sky]

other specs got overbuffed

[kind talon]

wasnt that heroic week

but it still got played in prog for liquid on sennarth and stuff

[oak sky]

there was no heroic week

remember

[kind talon]

is there another nerf im forgetting

[oak tangle]

the spec with the most polarising damage profile and they nerf it to be the best at neither

[kind talon]

pre raid they nerfed exsang or was it

after

[oak sky]

it was pre raid but

the er and poison and aura nerfs

[kind talon]

oh yeah

wait aura nerf was pre raid

[gaunt moat]

🚨 Uh guys, I've got news 🚨
Sin is no longer last place in overall

[sudden canyon]

goto terros

[storm onyx]

Assa got nerfed to prevent stacking on world race couse we were best ST dmg and very very easy to equip

[oak sky]

except they just played sub and outlaw lol

[kind talon]

All Bosses

[sudden canyon]

okay race has been over forver. buff pls

[keen spruce]

weren't most of our nerfs after RWF ended lol

[kind talon]

yes they were

[gaunt moat]

And balancing around top 2 guilds class stacking is also idiotic..
other guilds don't do that

[storm onyx]

Exsan thing was talent related tbf

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

exsang was nerfed because of PvP

[kind talon]

no it wasnt

[slow marsh]

They don't balance around rwf guys

[kind talon]

lol

[oak sky]

they probably won't, hold out until 10.1 where there might be actual changes+tier set

[sudden canyon]

they do pvp only changes now why dont just just fully commit to it

[kind talon]

wdym

exsang wasnt nerfed because of pvp

[oak sky]

it was multiple percentage points better than any other talent for pve

[gaunt moat]

It was a problem in PvP

[oak sky]

it was a problem in pve

it was literally a capstone caliber talent

[oak tangle]

assa is 5th

[gaunt moat]

5th but like.. far by a lot than hunter warrior and DK

[keen spruce]

6th

5th melee

[kind talon]

it was a problem in both so it got nerfed, if it was only a pvp problem it would have been nerfed in pvp only

[oak tangle]

i don't think assassin having the best ST in the game is a problem

[storm onyx]

I don’t think a buff would come before they rework talents, if they will that is

[oak sky]

is any other spec having it a problemm

lol?

[oak tangle]

when they are mid tier to top aoe yes

if you are going to gimp assassin to have to pick st or aoe, make them good at them

[oak sky]

on the one hand you're right but on the other hand i don't really think every spec has to be strong every patch

like are we gonna act like assassination is worse off than specs like ret and ele that are almost never good

[keen spruce]

I mean it's a rogue discord

[kind talon]

ele is kinda slept on

but yeah i mean

[keen spruce]

I'm not gonna campaign for specs I don't play or know shit about

[oak sky]

im not campaigning for anything

[keen spruce]

also ret isn't a great example considering they're getting a full rework

[oak sky]

just saying that you cant have everything be top tier at something every single tier

[oak tangle]

the difference with other specs like that is they aren't a tri-dps class

[kind talon]

mage is

a tri dps class

and is "weaker" than all rogue specs

in st

[oak tangle]

yeah rip mage warlock this patch

[keen spruce]

warlock is a little tragic

mage has been getting aura buffed

hunter got like 2 nerfs then been getting spammed with buffs

considering BM and Surv fill a very similar role to assas

and were already outperforming it in the same niche

[oak sky]

bring back survival aoe

[keen spruce]

and then gets buffed

[oak sky]

bring back wildfire cluster

[oak tangle]

we all know bliz have a hard on for hunter

[oak sky]

yeah so hard they cant give them a raid buff

💀

[kind talon]

what

warlock is

like

isnane

rn

demo lock is absolutely busted and afflock is great

[oak tangle]

why is it that whenever they add in special effect weapons, there is always a bow in that list?

[oak sky]

true

but tbf theyve done every weapon type except 1h

since sod

so they would have to double up at some point

and before hunter got 2, 2h users got 2

[storm onyx]

Frost is very strong btw

[sudden canyon]

tbh i dont even consider outlaw players rogues

[kind talon]

so is arcane

[balmy condor]

you know, you had a shit take earlier about shiv, but you've really redeemed yourself with this one. Here's a voucher for 5 free shit takes you can use any time

that's an EXCELLENT take

[kind talon]

[storm onyx]

Its not players fault if a spec is abominated by design for popularity. Problem is, player base asked for “change” for years couse they complained playing same dynamics.

[keen spruce]

They're furry warriors with a gambling addiction

[kind talon]

dont compare outlaw to fury please

i dont want to get that mad tonight

[keen spruce]

[kind talon]

im having a good time

[sudden canyon]

[keen spruce]

pawned off all of their plate for more dice

[oak tangle]

lore wise, outlaw is the closest thing to a rogue though so like, who's the real imposters

[kind talon]

its not?

all 3 are really good lore wise

[keen spruce]

isn't being an imposter the most rogue like thing though

[sudden canyon]

was lookin at wowhead to see all the rogue changes i missed.

why did they do this?

[balmy condor]

because we were too strong 2.5 months ago

[keen spruce]

because we figured out how to play our class 2.5 months ago

[storm onyx]

Then they complained about the roll buff dynamics, and ended up with current OL

[oak tangle]

bliz were waiting for the inevitable haste scale that didnt come

[oak sky]

thats not how the game works but ok

[spice spire]

We scale with agility boys

[kind talon]

dont get me started on outlaw balance

[spice spire]

Is winnable

[kind talon]

they can do one thing

its so easy

and outlaw is better

[kind talon]

i love scaling with agility

did you know that we will deal almost double damage next tier because of agility levels

isnt that insane

[oak sky]

tier sets might be bigger too

[kind talon]

surely outlaw will get a good tier set

[oak sky]

literally who knows

[keen spruce]

They're gonna give assas a rupture tier set so they don't need to fix it for another tier

[kind talon]

outlaw tier set will make rtb give you 5 buffs all the time

[spice spire]

Literally who asked though

🤨

[kind talon]

sin tier set will be

[oak sky]

ice spice

[oak tangle]

assass tier set is just replicating shadows

[spice spire]

Idk what that is

[kind talon]

deathmark activates vendetta on the target for its duration

[oak sky]

0% chance of tier set being replicating shadows

actually 0

[spice spire]

(I regrettably do)

[oak sky]

does val listen to boys a liar

[spice spire]

Nah

[kind talon]

sub tier set will be shadowblades gives you AR and Vendetta on the target for its entire duration

[spice spire]

Val in a big tswift kick for

10 months now

[oak tangle]

sec tec clones hit a 3rd time

[sudden canyon]

"we may"

🤡

[keen spruce]

[oak sky]

they can never say anything definitely 6 months in advance right

[kind talon]

why are you clowning it

its been

one .5 patch

[oak sky]

i think the expectation is that its still getting changed unless something big happens

ie change of dev team

ie people start liking exsang a ton

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry to hear that, I know what that's like

[storm onyx]

Think that was the last time we heard from the dev …

[kind talon]

no it was outlaw nerfs

[oak sky]

it was a month ago

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

pretty sure we didnt hear from him longer during beta

just saying

[sudden canyon]

its been almost 3 months and not a peep. not even a "this is what weve considered but were not ready to test any changes yet"

[storm onyx]

Hey thay was a “fix”

[balmy condor]

when have they ever said that

[sudden canyon]

never

[balmy condor]

yeah

so why would they start doing that with exsang

[sudden canyon]

but like. theyre supposed to be diff now

[balmy condor]

they're never announced changes that they didn't do

why would they waste their time doing that

[sudden canyon]

rainbows and unicorns

[kind talon]

Whispyr gave you 5 tickets now you’re wasting them

Space them out

[oak sky]

tryna hit the 10 bad take power spike

bro thinks hes yasuo

[balmy condor]

you want a dev post on the forums about how they thought about making exsang just a gaping hole in the talent tree but it didn't look right so they scrapped it?

like

[sudden canyon]

its only a bad take coz the company is blizzard

[balmy condor]

who's that helping