I just blast on CD into boss
#assassination
kindred bridge
thorny aurora
Okay
And how do you re CD using exsang/puzzlebox not when in the opener?
I refresh a full rupture, puzzlebox, vanish garrote, exsang and DM
thorny aurora
!log
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
thorny aurora
Would it be possible for someone to help me review a MM Terros log? Put it through wowanalyzer as well as looked at a couple similar logs and I can't seem to really find why I'm parsing so low
Thanks a lot!
balmy condor
Sure
thorny aurora
Shall I open a new thread? I'm not sure of the command
Here's the log anyway : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RrVyfTztc9a4LHhN#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=6
balmy condor
Shall I open a new thread? I'm not sure of the command
you can't open threads anymore
thorny aurora
That's why haha
gaunt moat
@limber lion fixed.
limber lion
Looks great.
gaunt moat
Got brood to 25%. thought we'd kill it today. unlucky.
lusty merlin
So I'm doing RazzyG HC right now, and comparing my damage to the other Rogue, his Garrote damage seems to be much higher than mine. Especially on pull during BL. His numbers just do miles higher than anything else at the start of the fight.
I'm opening up with it correctly but just it just doesn't seem to hit the same.
Anyone suggest why? It can't just be stats?
gaunt moat
impossible to say without seeing what you're doing and what he's doing and your gear
lusty merlin
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R2ZyWMBgnG3jTPYK/
Here's tonights logs if anyone minds helpin out. I'm Floorboard.
Best looking at some of the later pulls.
limber heath
lusty merlin
So it's partly just the mastery boost?
gaunt moat
consider this:
my mastery is 45%.
with puzzle box it goes to 80%+
mastery increases bleeds and poisons damage
lusty merlin
I do have Hunger of the Pack, which would give me more ST damage, but I take Storm Eaters Boon so I can ignore the push backs.
balmy condor
I do have Hunger of the Pack, which would give me more ST damage, but I take Sto...
you should be ignoring the push backs with step/cloak
wasting a trinket slot for it when you have other tools is just hurting you
royal lantern
or, you know, its heroic, you have the puddles
royal lantern
the Pushback doesnt make you lose dmg on hc
lusty merlin
I wish it was as free, you don't know my guildies xD
royal lantern
?
balmy condor
do they jump off with the debuff
balmy condor
I mean even if you do move boss, you always have a puddle
royal lantern
you litearlly CANT fuck it up except if you jump down lol
lusty merlin
(:
tough gorge
<@165215952479322112> fixed.
Why do you have 4 mutilates before an envenom?
balmy condor
Why do you have 4 mutilates before an envenom?
logs count the offhand hits
tough gorge
Oh..
gaunt moat
yes, you can see they are executed at the same time
tough gorge
Why is there then 1 mutilate before an envenom lol. Assuming it hits charged CP?
balmy condor
yep
or the shiv + 1 mut lands him on 5/6
which is entirely possible if you get a 4cp mut
tough gorge
Makes sense.
unreal bear
!lariat
prisma monolithBOT
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.
gaunt moat
I started watching mdi
I was surprised two of my old guildies are participating
was nostalgic to see
sudden canyon
if you have a rank 5 crafted item, If you recraft with a new infusion for higher ilvl, does it lose r5?
gaunt moat
whenever you recraft, items may lose quality, yes.
sudden canyon
okay and the people in trade trying to get me to pay 30k for a craft are just trying to fuck me right?
gaunt moat
depends what are you trying to craft.
but 30k seems high. usually it's like 10k
i'm gonna guess it's a lariat
sudden canyon
i just want a lariat at like rank 4 primal
sudden canyon
i hear u can get like rank 1-3 tho
gaunt moat
nvm it's a recraft
sudden canyon
well i have a 402 vers/mast neck atm.
the stats a pretty shit but i dont wanna drop money/mats unless i know im getting an upgrade
balmy condor
a lariat will absolutely shit on a heroic neck with vers/mast
strange python
I was watching mdi and it made me realize I don't know crap about the top classes for M+ lmao
And rating doesn't mean a thing
balmy condor
mdi is also wildly different from normal pug/guild m+ keys to be fair
sudden canyon
yea my pugs are far better
balmy condor
like you're trying to complete the highest key in time
not speed run a 21
meta game is a bit different in that regard
empty tangle
but i still got blue weapon ivl359, should i still craft the flaring cowl?
balmy condor
probably not
lucid mirage
No, if thats then weapo
empty tangle
ok, i guess ill just craft weapon
woven crest
just been an outlaw goon all tier but doing sin for mythic brood is vers the best phial for dmg and survivability? or is there a better dmg one by far
balmy condor
you always use vers phials
woven crest
coolio ty
balmy condor
kurog you can use corrupting rage
because kurog is cheese
and doesn't trigger the negative from the ticking damage for some reason
but otherwise vers is just the best
woven crest
didnt know that about kurog thats pretty cool
balmy condor
I'm already depressed
ebon notch
i know
ebon notch
XDDDDD
ebon notch
am i allowed to tag realz yet
balmy condor
realz for sure coming in with the steel chair 2 weeks before release right
balmy condor
ebon notch
whispyr what would you change
im sure you've thought about it
10.0.7 assa patch notes
what would you do
balmy condor
I would change the life decisions I made that brought me to this point
ebon notch
ok lets keep this grounded in reality
empty tangle
should i get crit mastery for my neck
empty tangle
ow yea sims thanks
ebon notch
using either droptimizer or gear compare
unreal parcel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz
dense herald
Is it worth doing another TooT with a few assa lads to discuss what direction we think would be good for the spec?
ebon notch
i mean you could just undo the previous nerfs
unless we're talking about fixing aoe
in which case
keen spruce
we are getting smoked cutting eggs 
ebon notch
my hype is mounting
keen spruce
we've only made it to set 8
gusty mirage
Is it worth doing another TooT with a few assa lads to discuss what direction we...
just admit you want to hear my voice
its okay
ebon notch
just admit you want to hear my voice
have you been on the podcast?
gusty mirage
no
ebon notch
why
gusty mirage
because someone has to do all the behind the scenes shit
and that someone is me
I get vod from whispyr, I convert it to mp3, I upload it to anchor
dense herald
I admit it
gusty mirage
make sure its populated in spotify & itunes
then slap dadsen's graphic for it, compile a video
upload that to youtube
ebon notch
you could still be on the podcast no?
gusty mirage
sure
ebon notch
cause most of your work happens after the fact
gusty mirage
never been invited
ebon notch
me neither
gusty mirage
phone your local congressman
ebon notch
i cant wait for the hour long "sennarth is bullshit" segment
ebon notch
or the dathea IC on platforms anecdote
idk the raid was ok
i dont like how top heavy it was
gusty mirage
it's gimmicky as fuck
and it's only saving grace, is sylv wasn't long ago enough for people to forget how dogshit that fight was
ebon notch
what do you mean by gimmicky in this case
gusty mirage
jailer was better
ebon notch
ugh jailer was dogshit imo
gusty mirage
p1 is fucking dumb
ebon notch
then it would be more loved
ebon notch
but i think rasz is still a good fight despite that
ebon notch
it really felt epic imo
gusty mirage
idk none of my prog feels epic
ebon notch
yeah ik
ebon notch
respectable
oak sky
i love wow
ebon notch
stfu
oak sky
what
balmy condor
ok lets keep this grounded in reality
- Add garrote to scent, raise the cap to a max of like 48% or whatever so it still scales to 8 targets
- Kingsbane just buff it till good
- Twist the knife instead shortens the duration of envenom, but increases the application rate of poisons. To balance it out, improved poisons is now an application rate reduction, but increases the damage significantly (like reduce by 5%, increase by 20% or whatever)
- flying daggers is now poisoned knives from legion, fok does a portion of poison damage on targets it hits
- tiny toxic blade is now 300000% or whatever it needs to stop being garbage
- arterial is now 8 targets, 30%
- lightweight shiv reduces the cooldown of shiv by 5 seconds on top of the charge thing
- venom rush goes away but now there's another shiv buff in it's place. Staying on course of the twist the knife/improved poison change, make this one double the cooldown but also increase the nature damage buff by a ton
- doomblade goes away and gets replaced with literally anything that is cleave based. Make it a subterfuge for improved garrote/shrouded for +2 seconds, so now you get 5 seconds of them, or if it has to be mutilate for some reason, make mutilate cleave damage and apply poisons (also gets rid of dumb tab over to apply poisons, then tab back because you don't need to refresh bleeds but now you need to tab back to refresh the bleeds gameplay you got with mut on 2 target)
- Sepsis is a doggers fucking ability that wants to be both kingsbane and vanish and doesn't do either of it in a way that's good, nor fun. Get rid of it. Doesn't even need a replacement really, just make sbs the only talent in that slot for all I care. Or if it needs a replacement, put something there that makes sense against bone spike. Like uh, poison duration buff to increase the poison knive thing from like 5 ideas up, or make envenom cleave, or make bleeds explode for X damage on application or whatever, just a little cleave thing ya know, doesn't need to be fancy 1:30 cooldown double garrote buff nature damage dot nonsense
- intent to kill is a pvp talent, put something kidney shot related that's usable there instead and move intent to pvp talents
- make master assassin 100% again, we're already at like 40% crit in first tier, master assassin being 30% makes no sense, just make it 100% so it's consistent it's not gonna break anything
and then like random class tree stuff
- replace nightstalker, more effort than it's worth, let sub have the dance damage amp
- replace subterfuge, buggy nightmare, no real point in having it other than outlaw abusing the shit out of their vanish cd, give it to them or something idk
- soothing darkness needs to be not what it is. idk what it should be, but not that.
- get rid of find weakness, it's just outlaw abusing it, sub doesn't care, assassination doesn't get anything out of it. Replace it with literally anything ambush/strike related. Like uh, just off the dome ambush crit rate, pog.
- rework reverberation to be a "animacharged finishers deal 100% more damage" or something instead of just a damage increase on echoing, nuke the effectiveness in pvp before they mald about envenom one shot. (making it like the torghast thing of a 20cp finisher would just mean a 3 minute long rupture that's not good)
- cold bloods gotta go, it's just a glorified macro generator that you slap onto sectec or dispatch and it just crits the thing and you're happy. There's a ton of energy stuff on that side of the tree and lethality just buffed the crit of your generators, make critical hits of your generators refund like 4 energy or whatever. (also since I deleted venom rush, poggers it's back lick my balls)
and then you kinda just slap the numbers around and aura tune until its happy and gg. 10.1 get rid of 3 point nodes with zold/scent and build on what people liked from the mini-aoe talent rework, re-assess, and then figure out what you do with Exsang/CT/Venomous Wounds/etc aoe stuff that might be questionable
there
don't ever fucking ask me again
ebon notch
can i tag realz now
balmy condor
no
ebon notch
idk i like the concept of soothing darkness for sub for example
but its so far out of the way
like its impossible to reach
especially cause taking recuperator isnt rly a thing
and that was such a nice source of passive healing
i hope they undo the leeching poison nerf
magic vine
soothing works out good on sub since the .5 rework freed up a point
but thats cuz sub gets dance every 25 seconds, it seems a lot worse for the other specs
magic vine
you don't need double dance to get it
ebon notch
you lose so much for doing it
are you actually able to get it without giving up utility and stuff
magic vine
you can drop acro for it, and acros buggy as shit so usually worth
basically just this, the point in soothing can be soothing, acro, or imp sprint generally
ebon notch
hmm
magic vine
i agree that cold blood should go away, its boring and best used ignored
ebon notch
im gonna try running it in keys on tyran week
im curious to see how valuable soothing actually becomes
balmy condor
you're missing 10% poison damage, not optimal, irrelevant blue named opinion
ebon notch
but i will miss acro
balmy condor
magic vine
this is for sub whispyr lol
ebon notch
this is terrifying
magic vine
and i was saying that soothing is only useful because of dance timing
oak sky
i think like we shouldve had leeching on a choice node with like iron wire or something in a spot we had to path through on the spec tree
magic vine
changing it to be useful for all 3 specs would be good
ebon notch
i think they shouldnt have nerfed it
balmy condor
healer issue
ebon notch
make symbol of hope reduce cloak cd or smth actually fucking useful
marble hemlock
why does this exist still
final star
I went soothing darkness for a pull on raz]
misty holly
Do a million dps you will heal up fast
final star
ya don't really need long arms
magic vine
its usefulness depends on how nerotic your healers are about topping you to 100
ebon notch
but if the sustain is that good then who knows
brazen zodiac
:c
marble hemlock
ye
brazen zodiac
unreal bear
tomorrow is a new day
a new day means more angry tweets by foreverguy
balmy condor
a new day means more angry tweets by foreverguy
he's got some very based tweets though
unreal bear
i like me some foreverguy
spice spire
he's got some very based tweets though
Real
heady brook
how mandatory is ER in pvp? I've been looking at builds and most have it and I was wondering if its like a must pick or face a major dps loss
slow marsh
Hey whispyr what would you change for assa in 10.1 when we get reworked
Jk I saw the post 😅
steel ridge
Jk I saw the post 😅
what post?
steel ridge
ah lets read up
storm belfry
prisma monolithBOT
Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.
steel ridge
- Add garrote to scent, raise the cap to a max of like 48% or whatever so it sti...
ship it
we test it
and rework again for 10.2
oh you forgot to remove the cd on garrote
broodkeeper pain. after that our main tank lost his internet connection and we had to abort the raid.
fml
balmy condor
oh you forgot to remove the cd on garrote
isn't really an issue tbh
steel ridge
its the thing i hate the most in dungeons
winter gale
Do we lose alot uptime on boss by being in egg grp on Diurna Mythic prog?
balmy condor
depends on the egg
winter gale
It doesent feel that bad but there are some moments where I feel left behind for few seconds ( Im doing Pink eggs if we all are using same pic/wa 😂)
balmy condor
idk this is what my guild does
winter gale
Im blue then
balmy condor
if you need to get green eggs it's usually fine
blue is okay
kinda far for some of them
winter gale
Mine are not the same completely as urs
balmy condor
it's definitely not the most ideal thing for uptime
winter gale
Sec
balmy condor
but as long as you aren't sprinting to tibet every time you need to do an egg
should be okay
restive spire
on primal council do you refresh snd with snd or envemon if youre sadistic enough to play ass on that fight
winter gale
On 5 and 6 its a bit of a ‘hole’ but somewhere right after 5 I need to reapply vanish/dm so its ok
balmy condor
uhhhhh, looks fine tbh, I think 3 and 5 might suck but the rest are okay
winter gale
Yes, and 3
balmy condor
on primal council do you refresh snd with snd or envemon if youre sadistic enoug...
you should never refresh snd with snd
winter gale
But I do shadowstep on 3 so I take it as a small pooling 😂
balmy condor
that works
winter gale
Ty m8
flint gulch
Do i ever use Deathmark without using vanish first?
sweet tiger
Can I make a macro which shows and casts Stealth if i'm not already stealthed, and shows and casts Pickpocket if I am?
steel ridge
Do i ever use Deathmark without using vanish first?
in the opener without exsang, yes
grim jay
Do i ever use Deathmark without using vanish first?
Tbf shouldnt make much of a difference if you van garr first or DM first
Unless you couple it with exs
grim jay
Can I make a macro which shows and casts Stealth if i'm not already stealthed, a...
I dont think anyone uses macros for pickpocket
flint gulch
I really need hit the dummy practice soon im playing like 7 differrent classes without consolidating skill in one. I should stop using Hekili
vestal wren
you can continue using hekili, just try to use it to support yourself instead of relying on it
grim jay
I would probably only use hekili on like arcane mage bcs the burst is basically the same at any point
I actually use my second monitor to open up the rotation section of a guide if I learn something new
And understanding why you use something at a given time is the most important thing and actually helps you memorize faster
jade abyss
What is hekili?
grim jay
Rotation helper thats based on the sim apl
jade abyss
I actually use my second monitor to open up the rotation section of a guide if I...
I write it on a piece of paper 🙈
balmy condor
Rotation helper thats based on the sim apl
If it’s based off sim apl why is it that every coaching session I do with someone using hekili they instantly do like 20% better when they turn it off
Hekili’s got logic alright
But it ain’t sim logic
I’ll tell you that
It’s not even comparable performance
steel ridge
hekili is a rotation helper?
grim jay
If it’s based off sim apl why is it that every coaching session I do with someon...
Didnt they always say its sim apl ? 😁
grim jay
I mean, either way better off not using it imo
earnest remnant
It’s dogshit
Okay Hekili's vs my Cast sequence who wins?
balmy condor
Probably your cast sequence
vestal wren
200iq installing macro adon so i can use my 80 ability cast sequence macro
jade abyss
I try to teach my cats to press my buttons correctly
balmy condor
Hopefully to tell them to uninstall
magic vine
i think a big issue is if you don't know what button to be hitting next, its probably going to take more than 1 global to read the up-coming thing it tells you to do and then hit the right key
hollow dirge
using rotation helpers was always funny as an idea to me. we're playing a game, if you're not actually thinking about your buttons and trying to actually press them right, where's the fun? just running around? go vampire survivors and enjoy 😄
magic vine
i don't find them useful, but there is a segment of people who don't learn well from reading a guide at all, so its a no-cost way to try to learn stuff. i don't think it does a good job of it but i can at least see the intention
flint gulch
hekili is a rotation helper?
yes
I wonder if i could setup WoW in a way where i control movement entirly via mouse ? I noticed when playing LA that that control scheme is very compfy for my hands
flint gulch
I try to stay below 30 the near i come to that number the less effective im
jade abyss
With which specc you must press 40 buttons in a fight o.o
*different
I mean we play wow not rts
flint gulch
Lost Ark Rotational abilities are almost equal to WoW with Gunslinger being the exception they more than 12 rotational abilities. My prefered class has 12
shrewd night
My new plan for losing weight. Movement through dance mat input.
pastel onyx
uncut echo
My new plan for losing weight. Movement through dance mat input.
Outlaw weight management plan be like
shrewd night
Full ADADADADADADADAD spam for added calory reduction
uncut echo
Adrenaline Rush hits just as hard in real life
royal lantern
Adrenaline Rush hits just as hard in real life
thats not an adrenaline rush, its a stroke
uncut echo
Only if you're 60
royal lantern
Only if you're 60
we play wow, our body age is probs 78+
pastel onyx
I swim and boulder sometimes 
My meniscus is fked to run daily
uncut echo
I'm sorry to hear that
pastel onyx
An unfortunate fall during the basketball game in high school 
shrewd night
Wish I had a pool nearby for swimming, would be easier to work out if I had things I enjoy doing nearby 
pastel onyx
frail rivet
yo on algath academy
my friend is telling me I should get the vers bonus instead of crit
that true?
pastel onyx
ye
frail rivet
im using vers phial as well lately since is cheaper and its actual dps increas lol
pastel onyx
its dmg + dr
on top of them
u need much more pure vers
to get 5%
in the usual scenario
so its a bigger gain stat wise
uncut echo
I'm a crit enjoyer
subtle tundra
Wish I had a pool nearby for swimming, would be easier to work out if I had thin...
I enjoy le gym
Though I do have to convince myself to go now to do legs
frail rivet
yay got my puzzle finally
puzzle box that is
it sims pretty much the same but I dont know what trinket should I keep
vestal wren
yay got my puzzle finally
nice, gz
glacial lantern
Crimson tempest does not regenerate energy correct?
I'm quite sure they limited energy regen to garrote and rupture, which is a shame. But i don't really play assassination a lot so i'm not 100 % sure
subtle tundra
yes buddy ct doesnt give energy
vestal wren
correct vw does not work on ct
subtle tundra
it would fuck the spec completely if it did
glacial lantern
?
What do you mean
Well i guess it would be used in st too
But is that a problem?
glacial lantern
What do you mean? You would have less downtime
I don't see that as a problem personally
subtle tundra
you dont cause youre not an assa player
assa used to be 40-50 apm
now its almost 60
glacial lantern
Sorry, but i struggle to understand why you would enjoy downtime
It's the main reason why i enjoy sin less than outlaw/sub
subtle tundra
huh
its a new thing that assa is high apm
it hasnt been like this before(as far as i have played)
glacial lantern
Well it's not high apm, it's higher apm
echo surge
Hi there! I am new to assa and had a question. What would be the sweet spot for Crit strike unbuffed?
subtle tundra
Doesn't exist
vapid sierra
Hi there! I am new to assa and had a question. What would be the sweet spot for ...
Whatever sims best
Constantly changes with gear, embels and trinks so just sim
echo surge
Thanks all
flint ridge
am i tripping about the subcreation tier list or is it because of aoe shiv?
grim jay
Tierlists
nocturne current
Does anyone even play AoE shiv in arenas lol.
BG's I can understand, Arena is a meme.
flint ridge
no i was just contemplating why would be assass s tier, and probably because of aoe shiv for raging week haha. also i play what's fun but subcreation is pretty reliable esp on high keys
my happiness was hinged on a buff that I probably missed 😦
nocturne current
no i was just contemplating why would be assass s tier, and probably because of ...
Idt anyone plays aoe shiv in raging weeks either, lol.
gaunt moat
Usually packs only have one or two dangerous enemies you want to sooth.
you just HODL your shiv for that
(it might be good though if you do massive MDI pulls. but then.. why are you playing sin)
uncut echo
Nah you don't take AOE shiv in any situation
Shit's dog
@spice spire i saw that
👀
spice spire
?
gaunt moat
Nah you don't take AOE shiv in any situation
that was in reference for rage affix
and the point was it's not good
spice spire
Lil bit
uncut echo
As a treat
thorn fjord
You are the vibe @ebon notch
ebon notch
You are the vibe <@124465215826821120>
wtf
so much pressure
im gonna go practice on heroic council
cobalt hemlock
just dont sweat dps too much alive dps does more dmg than dead one 😛
uncut echo
Rogues cannot die
spice spire
just dont sweat dps too much alive dps does more dmg than dead one 😛
Literally all he does is sweat
ebon notch
wtf
uncut echo
Fotm gamers all do?
spice spire
Dapspman roast session 
blazing jasper
anyone here willing to analyze my solo shuffle games I recorded (Im bad, like really bad)
I didnt have the gcd trufi thingy on though, I should do that
gray crest
spice spire
Ye
spice spire
500% of 0 still 0 king
static glacier
Maybe it’s useful for padding cope
twilit hollow
they forgot about rogue when they went out to get milk
spice spire
Damn
gaunt moat
But TTB + AP = 2000% more! 
spice spire
compact sequoia
sorry if this was asked, but i couldnt find the real answer: do i delay deathmark until exsang is back cause it has 1 min longer cd?
vapid sierra
Yes
thorny pond
sorry if this was asked, but i couldnt find the real answer: do i delay deathma...
No sync then every odd basically or if you only will get one more cast before end of fight
thorn fjord
sorry if this was asked, but i couldnt find the real answer: do i delay deathma...
Dont delay DM
Delay the exsang
So instead of sending at 3m send at 4
Dont do it the other way around
spice spire
Because I play what I want 
uncut echo
The fight ends at like 3:30
FeelsMyDatheaLogs
compact sequoia
Delay the exsang
i see thanks, i guess i delay exsang + puzzlebox for the 3rd deathmark then
thorn fjord
Yep... and this would be if the fight is less than 6:15ish minutes
Cause then it'll naturally line up for the giga cd's at that mark
If not then 4m mark will be your next time to shine
compact sequoia
yeah
i mean we are struggling at terros, so i tried to simm my assa rogue and it was 6-7 k ahead of outlaw/sub, so im gonna try it out today
spice spire
i see thanks, i guess i delay exsang + puzzlebox for the 3rd deathmark then
Should line up semi naturally
Oh 3rd not 4th
Sorry ignore
uncut echo
Who could ignore you
wary ice
I left stupid late
Smh it's 11 am
viscid spear
Still in traffic ama
spice spire
Smh it's 11 am
It’s still 10 in real time
subtle tundra
American cringe
thorn fjord
You’re late regardless of the time zone
spice spire
Oh yeah
uncut echo
American cringe
Common EU L
solemn haven
Hey Quick question, which one of the assassination builds would be best suited for epic battlegrounds?
burnt latch
Whats the difference between bgs and epic bgs
Is it determined after the game if the battle was worthy or
spice spire
Yes
burnt latch
Thats crazy
I wonder how many epic bgs ive attended without even knowing it
The most epic of them all
unreal bear
maybe blizz will give us crimson tempest baseline
ebon notch
@spice spire link logs
brazen zodiac
yes! :D
green juniper
I hate this game
green juniper
414 priest joined AV 16 didnt use single interrupt at fuking AV.. and left for no reason
also was last place at boss dps somehow
407 hunter was better than him
how this kind of people farm io and ilvl
uncut echo
royal lantern
how this kind of people farm io and ilvl
play fotm class, get invites
dont need to be good, if you play specific stuff, you get auto invites
its also why SO MANY PROT WARRIORS SUCK
people see prot warrior, heared that prot is the best tank and invite, meanwhile the guy is an tank that is keeped alive by the healer with a 30% ahielsblock uptime
thorn fjord
NOT in D stance LOL
green juniper
first time i am this mad.. only 3 deaths and 3 of them was him.. still he left
high mist
druid healer did 1.5k dps in our NO 19 that we just missed timing. worked out to be less than 1% of party total damage. no idea how that's even possible. i was getting soothes with the arterial build too.
gusty mirage
where brood kill???
also
outlaw on primal council???
you would've done more damage playing sin
thorn fjord
You think im trying to put that work in?
spice spire
Wait actually I did
thorn fjord
Also I haven’t been in on M council for weeks
spice spire
Yeah I was gonna say
solemn haven
hey dumb question,
in the opener section of this guide here
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
they use
Cast Rupture Icon Rupture.
Cast Echoing Reprimand Icon Echoing Reprimand.
Cast Rupture Icon Rupture.
thorn fjord
There are no dumb questions
solemn haven
why do you use rupture like twice in a row?
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
solemn haven
waiiiiiiiiit i cant find this mechanic in game somewhere? 😄
thorn fjord
Pand is a game mechanic.. for whatever reason there’s no text on it within the game
Was introduced during BC
solemn haven
damn
gusty mirage
you won't find it explained anywhere
solemn haven
and that applies to any dots i can apply?
gusty mirage
Pandemic used to be a warlock talent in mop
solemn haven
rupture, garrote and poisons?
gusty mirage
and then they applied that affect to most* HoTs and DoTs
thorn fjord
and that applies to any dots i can apply?
Mostly@your@bleeds
solemn haven
i see, now so many things make more sense lol
thorn fjord
Er sorry my phone keyboard is funky
solemn haven
thank you
spice spire
gusty mirage
@spice spire until blizzard fully removes it from exsang & whatever feral still has
it'll be uh
kinda important
thorn fjord
Think blizzard will ever add context for pandemic in game
thorn fjord
Both rogues in my guild didn’t even know it was a thing
royal lantern
There are no dumb questions
should i use amp poison when i skill it?
thorn fjord
Nah it cancels the effect
gusty mirage
should i use amp poison when i skill it?
no
royal lantern
understood
uncut echo
I don't believe amp poison does any damage
fallow canopy
I don't believe amp poison does any damage
Its not called "damage poison" for a reason am i right?
thorn fjord
Just need the guitar poison and then it’ll work
thorny pond
Why do they even put a damage number on the tooltips? It makes no sense
Some jabroni doesn’t come to discord and never puts up rupture
Because envenom tooltip says more damage
wary ice
speaking of playing bad - yall choke on energy or am i just being impatient
balmy condor
I don't believe amp poison does any damage
Live your reality queen
uncut echo
Live your reality queen
I can't u turned down my advances
thorny pond
Eh
uncut echo
Fake and gay
ebon notch
wtf
solid elbow
Gonna try a few sin rogue keys which dungeons should my overall be more close to sub/outlaw?
frigid pilot
whens the next tier expected to come out btw?
thorn fjord
Prob around the same time D4 drops
frigid pilot
oak sky
whens the next tier expected to come out btw?
May-june is the expectation
frigid pilot
quaint condor
doing my first ever 20 tonight(HoV) any broad tips? other dps are evoker + WW so i’m planning on just running mostly ST talents w CT talented & maybe the aoe shiv thing just bc it’s raging
bummer is it’s a dead talent on bosses maybe we just suffer
goal is learning & completion we have no expectations of timing it
static glacier
goal is learning & completion we have no expectations of timing it
just learn what can kill you (frontals / specific boss mechanics / casts to interrupt by kick or stun) and execute
for hov one that isn't super clear is penetrating shot - keep an eye on the marksman mobs and hard cc them to stop it if they're aiming into the party.
strange niche
For aoe do we just spec pb and then spam FoK and envenom + garrote?
wary ice
ct = Chance Toprocpb, right?
thorn crater
sooo we are getting a 10% buff as well right?
dark token
thorn fjord
@dark token That really really really triggers me
thorn fjord
Makes me want to get on twitter and send a bunch of hate speech to blizzardCS
strange python
Rogues won't get the balance treatment until we lose our pvp and m+ utility
dreamy gull
it pisses me off that pvp balance is even a slight consideration when balancing pve
gaunt moat
and on heroic performance
but the logic of "a bug made you do too much damage, so we're gonna make you do even more damage" is baffling.
thorn fjord
They’re a bunch of idiots
magic vine
if they don't tweak any of the numbers they're idiots yea, but the approach of "10% nerf is too much so we need to add something back" isn't baffling
strange python
Also want PI removed
gaunt moat
their claimed method the past patches was "nerf top, buff bottom"
strange python
But rumors of bard class next xpac makes me think they wanna kill logging entirely
oak sky
bard doesnt necessarily have to be a full on buff bot
and they also might have a way of attributing damage dealt by bard buff botting to the bard
like blessing of seasons
strange python
Maybe. But blizzard over the last three years seems to have been adamantly anti logging
oak sky
i think their incentive to support it is honestly pretty small
caring too much about logs limits their design space
and they like making externals
turbid heath
Where can I find these rumours of Bards?
violet talon
but the logic of "a bug made you do too much damage, so we're gonna make you do ...
Yeah, I'm not really getting this logic of theirs. The bow was unintentionally adding way too much damage, and was putting hunters with the bow on crazy high dps territory. Therefore, we must fix the bow to function as intended. And also, we will now universally buff the class so that they are in line with the power they expected with the bow equipped.
thorn fjord
No way we get another class next expansion
turbid heath
Hekili is such a strange addon - I don't understand why it doesn't have the correct opener / rotation lmao
thorn fjord
Hekili is such a strange addon - I don't understand why it doesn't have the corr...
Some classes are better than others
It really sucks for rogue
oak sky
Where can I find these rumours of Bards?
there arent really any
thorn fjord
BUT its pretty good for UHDK
turbid heath
Some classes are better than others
i dont get why its bad for rogue like dont they just pull the stuff straight from simc?
or there must be a way where you can just override the spells in the lineup. like it's a decent addon just dont understand why its wrong hahaha
thorn fjord
APL thing
Kind of the same logic behind a quick sim
If you've ever looked at the opener on those its a bit janky compared to what we do in game
thorn fjord
or there must be a way where you can just override the spells in the lineup. lik...
You can exclude certain abilities/spells from the logic
Ive never used Hekilli with rogue
turbid heath
idk if excluding would be enough tbh
hekili is good for the base rotation but opener is mental
garrote > grieftorch > bone spike > garrote > rup
lmao
violet talon
I don't think it will ever have a correct "opener" because it's simply running a prio list on the target in real-time. Our "openers" are a strategically devised sequence of events to get our stuff up and rolling on the boss asap, and an addon like Hekili just isn't able to make that distinction
thorn fjord
What he said
thorn fjord
Could ignore the logic at opener and just follow it once the fights rolling
It’s what I do on DK lol
turbid heath
yup thats what i do
tbh - im still sitting here with the opener enlarged on my other screen lmaoooo
thorn fjord
Rogue rotation is pretty straight forward tho… if you’re able to follow the opener you shouldn’t have too hard a time just going through the motions
The “hardest” part of sin is the opener imo
turbid heath
100% the opener is like, well it's enough to makee completely reorganize my keybinds lol
I was super stretched out going like alt 1, e, v, 2, alt e all v terrible 😔
balmy condor
then just don't do that
sudden canyon
Maybe. But blizzard over the last three years seems to have been adamantly anti ...
what are they gonna do? rewrite their whole event system? or just not let people hook into combat log events and then brick 90% of all combat related addons?
balmy condor
what are they gonna do? rewrite their whole event system? or just not let people...
honestly yeah, either of those
strange python
what are they gonna do? rewrite their whole event system? or just not let people...
I suspect they're going to fill the game with externals so that logs become irrelevant
And then good luck to guilds trying to decide who's worth a trial
Blizzard devs seem to have a grudge against logging for some unknown reason
magic vine
well, take how annoying it is to have someone walk in here saying some crazy shit based off of parses, multiple that by every class&spec
royal lantern
eh, not really
they said multiple times that they dont care about how stuff like PI makea logs weird, because they want some group buff spells in the game
royal lantern
they never said that im beatifull 
sudden canyon
logs help point out even the most minute flaws in a system that can never be perfect and that must suck if its your job to make the system balanced as best you can.
strange python
I think it's more direct and targeted attempts to kill logs and if you spend any time around devs they have an incredibly hostile attitude towards logs
balmy condor
idk if I would say that
strange python
Should join one of the dev guilds on hyjal
royal lantern
i never saw blizzard being "incredible hostile towards logs"
balmy condor
it's no secret that they don't concern themselves with logs really
because community issue
but like
thorn fjord
Blizzard devs seem to have a grudge against logging for some unknown reason
cause the general pop is casual and logging hurts the casuals
Fuck the casuals
strange python
I just think their public stance is "we don't care about logs" but in private they actively hate them. I don't take them at their word at all.
balmy condor
idk if you can just spray paint "devs are incredibly hostile towards logs" as a blanket statement
and then call it a day
cause that's definitely not true
strange python
Casuals are in for a rude awakening when their logs get shit stomped by externals even more
/Shrug I have a lot of friends in dev guilds and have spent time doing heroics with them on alts
royal lantern
like, last time it came up was during DF alpha and people asked about pi removal cus it fucks logs, and the answer was "PI has its place, we want abilitys like PI in the game, because its a teamgame and making your teammates stronger is Part of it, the pi hate because of logs is a community problem"
strange python
I've yet to run into a blizz dev/employee who hasn't said that they want to kill logging
Anecdote sure, but, tracks with their design imo
sudden canyon
they want to "kill logging"?
royal lantern
like man, you really live up to your name rn
balmy condor
I've yet to run into a blizz dev/employee who hasn't said that they want to kill...
And I haven’t run into a dev who has 
royal lantern
making a big boggyman out of nowhere and rant about it
because externals are a thing
strange python
I told you where it came from.
royal lantern
from where???
you always just repeat "they totally 100% hate it, trust me bro, they just dont say it!" and thats it
strange python
I really don't feel like repeating things I said five seconds ago and this is pointless so I'm gonna go make lunch
sudden canyon
surely thats hyberbole. They may want to reduce the communities obsession with logging damage, specifically, as some kind of performance metric for player skill. but it wouldnt say they want to kill logging.
strange python
You can agree or disagree but saying "out of nowhere" when I just told you where is just lying
royal lantern
surely thats hyberbole. They may want to reduce the communities obsession with l...
i mean, a decent player doesnt look at parse number anyway to check if somone is a good player lol
magic vine
from where???
thorn fjord
i mean, a decent player doesnt look at parse number anyway to check if somone is...
You base a good rogue on the amount of times they pressed feint during an encounter
prove me wrong
sudden canyon
yea but 90% of log users do lol and 100% of elitist douche bags are like 90% of log users
royal lantern
yea but 90% of log users do lol and 100% of elitist douche bags are like 90% of ...
you mean like, as if logs are mostly a community Problem? 
sudden canyon
Oh its fs a community problem but it exists and wont go away.
i like joining voice pugs for voti and there's definitely alot of people who check logs after fights to talk about their parse and get a huge dopamine hit out of seeing the color of the number approach orange. Its not all toxic but you can tell when someone takes a little bit too much pride in that number.
thorn fjord
People who get caught up on Heroic parses are lawl
runic hinge
You base a good rogue on the amount of times they pressed feint during an encoun...
What if I always press it after I’ve taken the damage
thorn fjord
What if I always press it after I’ve taken the damage
Makes you the best
viscid spear
Makes you the best
Nothing's ever gonna keep ya down
strange python
Oh its fs a community problem but it exists and wont go away.
i like joining vo...
Saying it's a community problem is not entirely true either. It's a human problem. Humans like to evaluate performance and compare against others
Blizzard makes a game for humans.
balmy condor
the term is "simbot slave buffoons"
turbid heath
People who get caught up on Heroic parses are lawl
raiding with friends is nice but mythic raiding with friends is toxic 😔
Frienemies
thorny pond
raiding with friends is nice but mythic raiding with friends is toxic 😔
I need better friends
thorny pond
Homie I am so burnt out on having to play rogue in my group
thorn fjord
Man I feel you on that
And my group keeps telling me rogue is top tier and to stop complaining
All that does is upset me more
thorny pond
Just dumb shit. Have to play sub or outlaw so we can meet dumb damage checks but after 100 pulls people figure it out so sin for last 4 pulls and we get kill. Literally every boss since Tetris
“We want you on brood but our warriors are alive 50% of time so we may pull you to add group for AoE and kicks”
“Can you play sub then?”
thorn fjord
I did that till they started bringing the sub rogue in to allow me to ST
thorny pond
I am just rerolling fotm shadow. I don’t want to do raz as sub
thorn fjord
They realized two rogues was more valuable than 2 ww
thorny pond
WW. Huge damage
thorn fjord
I am just rerolling fotm shadow. I don’t want to do raz as sub
They won’t let me bring my DK on raz prog so I’ll be sub
thorny pond
They won’t let me bring my DK on raz prog so I’ll be sub
Toxic beach keeps threatening to quit or go to another guild
Maybe you can do same kek
thorny pond
I change guilds at the rate some people change underwear
thorny pond
I told my wife she is the only thing I will commit to
thorn fjord
Nah I would know the truth
My fiancé wants me to find a new guild for scheduling purposes
spice spire
I told my wife she is the only thing I will commit to
Not even committed to me
Damn
thorny pond
Homie, you can’t commit to a discord nickname
spice spire
That’s true
thorny pond
How can I commit to you
spice spire
What’s dn mister beach
thorny pond
Dunno
spice spire
Understandable
thorny pond
I guess my wife and this stupid ducking joke
gusty mirage
I guess my wife and this stupid ducking joke
🦆
viscid spear
No, this is Patrick
exotic hearth
On the sim sheet, I cant find the best M+ trinkets bc its saying its a bad url. Anyone know what the best combo is?
balmy condor
boon + anything
@exotic hearth
The anything in this case is all the usual suspects
Puzzle box, hunger of the pack, whispering Icon, whetstone, cct
ebon notch
yeah its always a bit rough
did you do the thing where they smell each other through the door?
royal lantern
I introduced my kitten to my cat
balmy condor
Yeh That was yesterday
tough gorge
Anyone rocking the melandrus ring? Not as good as I hoped.
Some top rogues use it tho
royal lantern
what did you expect lol
brazen zodiac
xd
royal lantern
its just a bit more passive dmg
balmy condor
Anyone rocking the melandrus ring? Not as good as I hoped.
it's our best in slot
so
I would hope most people are running it
indigo wing
when running top gear is it worth running dungeon slice for mythics?
balmy condor
when running top gear is it worth running dungeon slice for mythics?
that's the main thing you should be simming for dungeons
storm onyx
the buff to melee was alot smaller than i thought
Used to be more impactful yet we don’t stack haste as we used to atm
magic vine
this one?
Hemotoxin (PvP Talent) healing reduction effect reduced to 30% (was 35%).
gray hazel
Are you guys using Main stat food, or crit and mastery food for your M+?
neon kindle
this one?
> Hemotoxin (PvP Talent) healing reduction effect reduced to 30% (was ...
yeeee
we're cookin now
i blame oxi for saying "literally any change"
blizz is toying with us now
balmy condor
Are you guys using Main stat food, or crit and mastery food for your M+?
main stat > crit mast
balmy condor
zero is an enigma
celest ruin
im happy we dont get changes now. that means the team is hard at work on cooking up an assa rework next season!
neon kindle
if ass gets a rework and poison bomb ends up being prominent again i'll hard swap
static glacier
we don't need a hard rework tbh
just a fix for the giga diminishing marginal dps from finishers once everything is up
drifting cosmos
I wish one day sin can be A+ tier in m+ again
magic vine
<:copium:854628182104080414> I wish one day sin can be A+ tier in m+ again
iron wires gonna be amazing in brackenhide
celest ruin
so will the millions of bleeds poisons and traps preventing you from stealth
strange python
Brackenhide won't even be the worst dungeon
Everyone is so paranoid about brackenhide that I bet blizz pre emptively nerfs it, and Neltharus becomes awful.
indigo wing
zero is an enigma
how so?
balmy condor
More power to him for playing unconventional ways
He’s pushing the limits of Assassination every day
indigo wing
yea he pushes hard for sure i learned alot from him i run his build with my own modifications, but in M+ is it really worth it to run sang
steel ridge
delete exsang
pastel onyx
balmy condor
You can run whatever you’d like bestie
Zero does it
The World is your oyster
Carpe diem or whatever
steel ridge
balmy condor
I have hated on zero enough to no avail
He will not change
And that’s something I need to accept
I fully Support zero’s career path as a chef
pastel onyx
balmy condor
Bro spends all day cooking
magic vine
balmy condor
Who am I to judge a man who cooks
pastel onyx
Gordon?
steel ridge
Fucking donkey
balmy condor
Ya know at some point you just gotta let people shoot themselves in the foot if they want to
steel ridge
Yesterday i did my first raid with feral since Cataclysm
indigo wing
Ya know at some point you just gotta let people shoot themselves in the foot if ...
can you help me understand what the differences are
why does he drop sang and take FD
steel ridge
FD?
indigo wing
flying daggers
balmy condor
can you help me understand what the differences are
Idk, can YOU help me understand why he does that
I cant explain what he does
Because it doesn’t make any sense to me
steel ridge
It doesn’t have to, it clearly works for him
indigo wing
from what hes told me, he said sang just isnt worth it and he only takes master sin and iron wire for utility
balmy condor
Yeah
God bless his soul
Taking Master Assassin instead of exsang is fine
It’s Just less single target more aoe
I cant begin to explain why flying daggers over ip though
steel ridge
Big pull more range, hitting all the little lashers
balmy condor
Sure
steel ridge
balmy condor
These days I just refuse to waste my time trying to understand
And go “yeah that’s fine”
Luckily sin isn’t meta
indigo wing
i just want to be a better sin player
steel ridge
;D
balmy condor
i just want to be a better sin player
And that’s fine
Assassination in m+ is just not something that’s teachable really
pastel onyx
it's okay many geniuses were not acknowledged during their life
balmy condor
Theres no real rules for finishers
pastel onyx
he is like van gogh
balmy condor
Cause you can sorta just hit whatever you want
balmy condor
he is like van gogh
I hope not, Van Gogh killed himself in his 30’s or 40’s
steel ridge
Even blizzard has to admit that sin is kinda whack rn
steel ridge
but yeah lets buff prot paladin first
drifting cloud
I hope not, Van Gogh killed himself in his 30’s or 40’s
dont feel like waiting that long?
indigo wing
Assassination in m+ is just not something that’s teachable really
playing in M+ i understand im just more confused about why we take the talents we take in the Faq
balmy condor
playing in M+ i understand im just more confused about why we take the talents w...
Cause it’s the biggest damage
Flying daggers is an awful dps talent
Improved poisons is slightly less awful
balmy condor
Exsang is big single target, which is assassinations strength, master assassin is more aoe
Yeah Zero is a big fok enjoyer
balmy condor
I’m sure you can justify flying daggers through some meta-breaking, third eye opening, esoteric argument about out-ranging ground effects on 3 pulls in these two very specific dungeons and therefore if you chain amd double pull these packs that normally you wouldn’t double pull hence therefore you’re in 5+ target 10% more in your key and flying daggers is worth because of that uptime you get on fok for the extra cp and then you can more dps
I just cant be fucked arguing against it anymore
Bad Talent = Bad Talent
If you want to try and create a reality where it’s good, that’s fine
Just realize I’m not going to follow you into the delusions
Ya know
indigo wing
what about fatal concoctions
is that considered a bad talent aswell?
what you're saying makes sense
balmy condor
it's kinda okay
but you would need to find a point to put into it
which is challenging
like lets work through it right, this is basically your starting point (with MA vs Exsang being whatever, I just picked MA to get to iron wire
magic vine
yea there are sort of 3 types of bad talents: ones that are just bad on their own, ones that require too much (or too many bad) ones to get, and ones that are just outclassed by their competition