assassination

[gaunt moat]

I love how they're gonna fix hunter bow.
in like a month from now.

[keen spruce]

ur late

[gaunt moat]

yeah i saw that
but i just got home 🥲

i wanna be part of the conversation 🥲

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-25913746

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-wtf-bunny-kanini-rabbit-gif-26412686

[marble hemlock]

who pingeth me?

[spice spire]

(But shmeeps instead)

[keen spruce]

u didn't save the one whispyr made

[marble hemlock]

i got pinged

who dun it

[gaunt moat]

I couldn't wait to get home to play aces & adventures
omg that game is great if you liked Hand of Fate

[gaunt moat]

that's so scuffed

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Animation is his passion

[marble hemlock]

im not kidding, who pinged me

[keen spruce]

they deleted it lol

i didn't see who it was

[spice spire]

It was me

[marble hemlock]

fcku oyu

[spice spire]

?

[gaunt moat]

i didn't realize lorentz was even still around

@stark heart hi

[marble hemlock]

he was never gone

[gaunt moat]

But I was

now i feel bad for removing him from b.net friends a few weeks ago when i removed everyone 😬

[keen spruce]

wait my 82 parse on dathea was rank 48

[gaunt moat]

pog

[keen spruce]

how many brothers have been gulag'd into pirate or sub

for that fight lol

[gaunt moat]

did you do platofrms?

[keen spruce]

i did plat2 to smooth things out a little

[gaunt moat]

yeah, most sin don't go up, so any that do will parse higher

[keen spruce]

there's only 308 assas parses on stormy dathiels

[keen spruce]

i think it was probably about a wash

cuz i was in pure ST build and you lose a bit in transition

probably gave me a couple thousand dps overall maybe

maybe not even that

[gaunt moat]

did you use a trinket when up?

[keen spruce]

a grieftorch

[turbid heath]

Guys with Grieftorch do you open with it at all? 👀 Like Garotte+Torch > Garotte?

[gaunt moat]

yeah that's what i thought

grieftorch deals a lot more on cleave

[keen spruce]

oh i didn't actually

it just had the same color as fan

but did get very good torch value in the burn lol

[gaunt moat]

holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

😂 😂 😂 😂

[keen spruce]

execute sprinkler lol

[gaunt moat]

I had only 4 casts during the whole fight on our kill

you had 3!!! in one minute

[keen spruce]

i had 4 during execute lol

[gaunt moat]

that's zoomed to last minute?

[keen spruce]

just execute

about 2 min

[gaunt moat]

bruh

[keen spruce]

and i play 3x zoldyck

so i get big stonks in long execute

[gaunt moat]

why?

[keen spruce]

cuz i'm a menace

[gaunt moat]

what do you drop for it

[keen spruce]

i'll get yelled at if i post my talents

[turbid heath]

Guys just going through our FAQ and wondering, has the opener changed at all since it was made in the pinned messages? 🙂

[keen spruce]

it is roughly the same

just ignore Kingsbane

[turbid heath]

Roger that

[keen spruce]

oh maybe they updated it

it looks correct

[turbid heath]

I'm curious when you use torch in your openers if you have it

[keen spruce]

you don't if you have puzzle box

[turbid heath]

I got both

[keen spruce]

puzzle box in the opener at the channel tirnket part

then just torch when it's off CD

[turbid heath]

Rogggggg

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce
I've got a challange for you

can you guess, at which times, did I get Mark on dathea?

[keen spruce]

:40 and 2:20?

[gaunt moat]

one more

[keen spruce]

5:15?

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

you pass

[keen spruce]

guess when i got it?

[gaunt moat]

Dodged mechanics like a true rogue

[keen spruce]

max cheat death value on that last tornado too

oh wait

that's cyclone

i didn't get hit by a nado

wot in tarnation

wait nvm nvm

[ionic fox]

Shmeep why don't you play sin on kurog

[keen spruce]

those debuffs

they woudln't let me

[ionic fox]

but boss damage? lul

the ads are pointless

[gaunt moat]

Those marks i got fucked me so bad.
i parsed 16%

[keen spruce]

the ads weren't pointless for us

on prog lol

and we had 4 trials on the reclear

so it was basically prog

[silk bane]

^^^ I played sub on Dathea its crazy that on prog I got marks like 3 times, went only to platform 2 and parsed a 46 then On reclear i got no marks, went to platform 1 and 3 and parsed a 98. crazy stuff

its almost like half of parsing is just getting lucky

[keen spruce]

well getting to do 2 platforms as sub

will juice the shit out of your numbers

the real trick with marks

is to just run over a friend then cloak

make them dunk it

[royal lantern]

parsing is a mix of "didnt got downtime by mechanic rng, padding, externals and a bit of spec/crit luck"

[silk bane]

this is like 800 iq LOL

[silk bane]

yeah id sya its like 70% being comfortable with the fight and performing with your spec, 30% not getting mechanics and getting good procs

[royal lantern]

and well

killtimers

1 of the biggest things

can be the best player in the world, if the killtimers suck for you, you wont get a 95+

[silk bane]

oh ive been mostly playing sub so kill timers are just kinda eh for me. funny enough I parse much higher when we did our sales run. Laughs in torch LOL

[keen spruce]

longer kills times = better parse for me

as long as you don't get cucked on CD timing

[silk bane]

yeah I played sin on our first terros kill and it took almost 6:20 is which was just perfect for me. litearlly a 99 parse just becuse of how much execute we had + torhc resets + the extra DM at the end

but now terros die sin 5 min flat so sin is just impossibly to parse as

[keen spruce]

yeah terros prog kill time is probably the best

if you survive the enrage for the whole deathmark

but like super short fights favor the big opener classes super heavily

execute isn't long enough to catch the Hunters and DKs

and mages

[silk bane]

exactly, thast why heroic terros = uhdk supremacy

[keen spruce]

2:45 heroic terros

pretty good still

cuz you get a full execute deathmark

but not 2nd box or exang

[strange python]

Can someone help me understand what I'm doing wrong with my single target build? I feel like my DPS is rather low for my iLvl (415)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vXcZxNh6CLTpmbMF#fight=30&type=damage-done&source=490

[ionic fox]

You waited a very long time to use cds

on pull

[keen spruce]

exang at 0:27

very late

[strange python]

you gotta garrote 3x on pull right?

[ionic fox]

you vanished before dm because you just casted normal abilities on lust/pull

[limber lion]

Would highly recommend that you read through the FAQ again

And maybe check a guide

[keen spruce]

the FAQ opener will have exang cast at about 9seconds into the fight

on a fight that short overwriting your empowered bleeds and messing up CDs is gonna really affect your damage

the rotation outside of that is mostly pretty good

dont' let rupture or garrote fall off

[ionic fox]

literally just stare at the faq exsang opener as you pull and follow it

xD

[keen spruce]

that is what i do when i'm workshopping with exang/puzzle before going back to my normal setup kek

discord open on the faq on the other monitor

[strange python]

wdym i casted normal abilities on pull?

[ionic fox]

you didn't use your big cds on pull

you just started pressing the buttons as if you had already done your opener xD

[keen spruce]

this is what you did

[ionic fox]

the faq is the exact first abilities you should be casting

[keen spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019199475421552651/1067653923856470026/image.png?width=810&height=293

this is what you're supposed to do

[strange python]

this is weird, maybe the log is wrong? i start stealth and garrote out of stealth every time

[keen spruce]

this is more clear

about your opener

you never cast slice and dice it appears as well

make your casts look like the FAQ opener picture

and all will be well

[gaunt moat]

I dunno if i'm the only one, but i like to look at events as a chronological list

[strange python]

so i know raidbot says my single target is like 83k, if I fix my opener will I be doing close to that? like is screwing up my opener really costing me like 15k dmg?

[ionic fox]

i mean you reaaaallly screwed up your opener

by just not doing it

xD

[strange python]

hahaha fair enough

[keen spruce]

sim dps isn't really a target number

but on a fight taht short

messing up your opener with have MASSIVE consequences

[magic vine]

dunno if the opener alone is 15k, but its a lot and if you're that far off the opener you're likely making other similar mistakes when your cooldowns are up

[gaunt moat]

Doubt you'll get to what sims say. i don't even get close to it and i'm playing right.
but you're not doing yourself any favors by playing wrong, you get what i'm saying?

[strange python]

of course

[ionic fox]

Well notter messed his up to xD

[gaunt moat]

huh?

where do you see a mess up, that's clinical

[strange python]

So what does top end dps in raid realisticly look like for an assassin? I feel like i'm usually like bottom dps lol

[lucid mirage]

In your opener, doesn't garrote fall of after Exang+DM?

[lucid mirage]

you van+garrote like 8 seconds after exang

sorry 13 seconds

[signal merlin]

shouldn't you use the algethar trinket before pull tho?

[ionic fox]

no

use puzzlebox

where the faq says to use it

[lucid mirage]

puzzle after first exang

rupturE*

[ionic fox]

also no

[strange python]

i was under impression u use it after echo

[normal mist]

Before DM or after DM

[lucid mirage]

^ that, im trolling

[strange python]

i've also been using it after exang and before rupture a lot b/c that's what the sim does for whatever reason

[lucid mirage]

wait FAQ says after Echo

Now I need to know

[ionic fox]

echo puzzlebox rupt exsang dm

[lucid mirage]

But yeah @gaunt moat if that was your opener, vanish+rupture is way late

[keen spruce]

it really doesn't matter as long as you puzzle before exang deathmark

[ionic fox]

and his puzzlebox is wrong

[keen spruce]

like REALLY doesn't matter

[gaunt moat]

no it's not

it's exactly as garrote falls off

[lucid mirage]

right, so you are missing pandemic

[ionic fox]

you want to pandemic it into dm so its duplicated

[gaunt moat]

no because the first garrote is empwoered by exsang

i wait for it to fall off

[ionic fox]

yeah

thats bad

[gaunt moat]

eleborate

[static glacier]

in the opener does it matter if you cast rupture before or after sbs?

[ionic fox]

You aren't getting the extra buffed garrote into deathmark

[keen spruce]

u vanish garrote before before exang DM

[static glacier]

can't use vanish inside dm with exsang sadly

[keen spruce]

bad notter

[ionic fox]

oh my bad, i confused with the non exsang opener

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't say that 2 seconds late is wayyy late

[ionic fox]

so you are avnishing wayyyyyy later

[gaunt moat]

what are you guys smoking

[slow marsh]

they are smoking the noob friendly opener in faq

[ionic fox]

you need to pandemic it into dm if you aren't using before exsang

[gaunt moat]

I feel like they're trying to gaslight me

my opener was perfect.

[ionic fox]

What is your in game name?

[keen spruce]

you can't pandemic exang

bxbert

[limber lion]

link it

[ionic fox]

lol that is not what i said

[limber lion]

I'll be the judge

[slow marsh]

the only thing "wrong" (which isn't that big of a deal) is sbs before rupture instead of right after and box after dm instead of after ER but that's like super minor

[lucid mirage]

@limber lion

[keen spruce]

oh i missread

[gaunt moat]

i just posted it a minute ago

oh he posted it again

[thorn fjord]

PB in the wrong spot 😛

[ionic fox]

are you the notter that parsed all blues?

[static glacier]

what's the sim'd gain of using vanish later with exsang anyway?

[limber lion]

This is the perfect opener, except Puzzle Box is one gcd too late. Otherwise it's fine.

[keen spruce]

oh yeah i didn't read the fine print

[lucid mirage]

Can someone explain why then, because it looks way off from the FAQ and that was my assumption to what was opener

[keen spruce]

on the faq

but i don't play with those goofy buttons

[thorn fjord]

You blowing PB after exsang now and not after ER?

[limber lion]

Correct. Doesn't super duper matter

But what does super duper matter is NOT using PB during Deathmark

that's bad

[gaunt moat]

but FYI, I'm doing the exact opener that raidbots uses.

[thorn fjord]

My muscle memory is hard wired to hit PB after ER lol

[limber lion]

You use it prior to Deathmark

[limber lion]

No you are not.

[keen spruce]

@lucid mirage

[gaunt moat]

uh well, potion to late

[static glacier]

iirc using it on DM's gcd is acceptable no?

[slow marsh]

tbf the opner in raidbots isn't perfect

[limber lion]

No

You use it before dm

[thorn fjord]

Raidbots be doing some funky stuff sometimes

[limber lion]

you use it after Exsanguinate

[magic vine]

you can do exsang->box->dm

[static glacier]

I swear whispyr was saying it doesn't matter if you do it right before or after

[limber lion]

pb still wrong

[magic vine]

and box is off gcd so make sure to not waste time starting it

[slow marsh]

before or after exsang

[static glacier]

I personally do it before cus buff is longer than dm and i'd rather cover the entire thing

[gaunt moat]

true, i need to use PB after exsang and before DM

[keen spruce]

I think most people were confused cuz they didn't read the fine print on the FAQ like me

[limber lion]

doesn't matter too much. technically after exsang is best.

[gaunt moat]

but the difference is negligable

[limber lion]

No it is not

Are you not reading anything I'm saying

Using Puzzle Box during Deathmark is GIGA bad

it's super int

[gaunt moat]

why

[slow marsh]

you're essentially losing 4s of ticks that could be juiced with pb

[limber lion]

Just look at the timeline of your opener

[static glacier]

losing a global of swings /w double poison app

[strange python]

i'm glad notter is getting his teeny mistake shit on and everyone forgot about my parse 😄

dodged a bullet

[lucid mirage]

@strange python lol

[limber lion]

You press Deathmark at 8.something seconds

your next gcd is at 11s

you're missing 2 entire gcds by using puzzle box

which is a big loss

You don't want to stop attacking and using gcd's during Deathmark

You have 16s of Deathmark

[static glacier]

surely it's only 1 gcd lost since you can puzzlebox while on the gcd, notter not pressing it while on the gcd is a mistake

[limber lion]

and during those 16 seconds you use 16 abilities

You don't stop for 2s to do something else

[signal merlin]

also losing some mastery timer on it

[limber lion]

if you do, that's int

[lucid mirage]

@limber lion can I get an ideal opener after all this, my brain is mush

[limber lion]

gcd or not, pressing it after deathmark is still wrong. 1 or 2 gcd, doesn't matter. still wrong.

[gaunt moat]

Getting shit on for missing 2 seconds

alright alright, relax, point has been taken and will be executed

i thank the council

[limber lion]

It's not even that, it's your attitude

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean that 2 second delay is not why peopel thought his opener was wrong to be fair

[static glacier]

aight, can you get oone of the people in charge of it to fix the faq then

[gaunt moat]

my attitude?

[limber lion]

You keep saying "I'm perfect, my opener is perfect, ya'll are wrong"

Which is far from the truth

Just get down from your high horse

[keen spruce]

we're gettin way off track here

people thought notter's openeer was wrong because they didn't read the FAQ fine print

[limber lion]

Gar - Slice - Gar - Sbs - Rup - ER - Rup - Exsang - Puzzle - Deathmark - Shiv - Muti - Tea - Env

[keen spruce]

in the context of what we were talkin about it wasn't wrong in the way they thought it was

[balmy condor]

I think it’s also just like a thing of what is wrong versus irrelevant

[magic vine]

in conclusion: everyone was wrong

[royal lantern]

except me, im always right

[keen spruce]

this is why i'm just wrong on purpose

[static glacier]

I fully believe cev that it's a dps loss, question is if it's a noticable loss

[limber lion]

Using Puzzle after Deathmark?

[lucid mirage]

my understanding was keeping vanish and DM together, why does this differ?

[static glacier]

since you lose 1 global of dm'd mut / melee swings inside dm if you box inside

[balmy condor]

Like yes, cev’s opener is the most correctestester of them all

[limber lion]

I'm gonna be honest here my guy

[balmy condor]

But it really doesn’t matter

[limber lion]

You will never ever notice any difference in the number

just by looking at it

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[limber lion]

It doesn't matter if you sbs early or later

[static glacier]

simwise I mean

[limber lion]

nothing matters

but we're talking about technicalities and semantics here

[keen spruce]

i've literally opened a fight with SBS instead of garrote cuz i was out of range of the boss

and the parse was not that noticably different

[balmy condor]

Sims have Box the gcd after dm instead of the gcd before as like a difference of 80 or something

[limber lion]

If you want the absolute perfect way to play and the highest number, that's what you do

[balmy condor]

When I checked my profile

[limber lion]

But you will never feel the difference

[static glacier]

you ever done the start a fight out of stealth special, so you then vanish to apply garotte on pull

[balmy condor]

Idk, I box after dm

[limber lion]

One poison bomb proc less or unlucky crit procs and you're suddenly doing less damage with "the ideal opener"

[keen spruce]

tldr: none of it matters, we're all gonna die, birds aren't real

[limber lion]

At the end of the day nothing matters for our spec as long as you press all the buttons at least once

[keen spruce]

Whispyr gonna get bed sores cuz he's can't get up from under his cat

[balmy condor]

Bro my cat was sleeping on my face

How do I deal with that

[strange python]

i can confirm that's not true ceverion trust me 😄

[limber lion]

I'm so envious of people who have cats

[static glacier]

cev told me to exsang after dm confirmed 7

[keen spruce]

blow raspberries on his tummy

[limber lion]

I had 2 cats growing up and I miss those fuckers

[limber lion]

Honestly you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference either way

[balmy condor]

And then he did this shit and now he’s on my windpipe

Like

[keen spruce]

i had a hermit crab

[balmy condor]

How

Am i supposed to do anything

[royal lantern]

acceptance, its just a thing you have to life with when you own a cat

[keen spruce]

my brother's hermit crab ate mine tho

[balmy condor]

With a cat on my windpipe

[limber lion]

goals

[keen spruce]

then i had a couple of rats in college

[lucid mirage]

my understanding was keeping vanish and DM together, why is that not the case in this

[keen spruce]

das it

[gaunt moat]

@limber lion before you can here all agressive-like, i was getting told my opener is very wrong, and not for that tiny mistake (which you, correctively addressed)
When I told them my opener was perfect, it was not to say "I am perfect" it's because they told me it's completely wrong.
Now i don't know who the fuck you are, I appreciate your help, but chill.

why are people here so agressive

[balmy condor]

You sync them for the next casts

[static glacier]

vanish inside dm is gain cus double'd cps from garotte inside it. but it desyncs and can be a loss for certain fight lengths

[limber lion]

Right so syncing is technically within margin and doesn't matter, it just makes the syncing at 4 minutes easier.

[keen spruce]

i still love u notter

[limber lion]

If the fight lasts less than 4 minutes, not syncing is the better choice, because well you don't get the sync when the boss is dead.

but again we're talking like 50 dps

[static glacier]

anyone math'd out what cd the cdr blessing reduces dm to?

I think I got it last raid and timers got wierd

[lucid mirage]

I think im missing something, in the opener @limber lion gave he doesn't have vanish at all, where im going (Exang-Deathmark-Vanish-Gar-Shiv) which is the faq

[royal lantern]

probs vanish during DM

it doesnt really matter if you vanish pre or during DM

pre DM is just more convinient overall cus then DM and vanish line up for the rest of the encounter

[limber lion]

You said "my opener is perfect", followed by "I do exactly what the sims do" neither of which were true. Your opener was perfect except for the Puzzle Box like I said previously, but you kept holding on to it for your dear life and not accepting that it's not optimal. But again, it legit does not matter. Mona Lisa's not a perfect painting either.

[lucid mirage]

No I get that, the button isn't in the rotation at all, im just seeing if he forgot it or if im missunderstanding

(Gar - Slice - Gar - Sbs - Rup - ER - Rup - Exsang - Puzzle - Deathmark - Shiv - Muti - Tea - Env) is what he sent

[balmy condor]

Yeah

He vanished later

In the deathmark

[royal lantern]

he just did vanish during DM when the first garrote ran out

[lucid mirage]

ooooh okay

[limber lion]

Yeah you get 5cp for each improved garrote during deathmark, which is probably what the robot likes

[balmy condor]

You either vanish right before exsang and super-sync them

[gaunt moat]

Bro, i asked them what was wrong, and then i asked them to eloborate
then i realized they're confused.
I think you're also confused.

[royal lantern]

its a very very minor dps gain

[limber lion]

more than the forced sync and 3 extra seconds of garrote

[royal lantern]

but makes the syncs a bit more weird later

[lucid mirage]

I'm tracking

[balmy condor]

Or you vanish when they drop

[limber lion]

Confused? About what? There's not much to be confused about.

[magic vine]

the argument was over uh, his garrote

[balmy condor]

Also sim opener kind of a joke still isn’t it

Doesn’t it shiv exsang or something

[limber lion]

it does yeah

moving shiv to after deathmark is like +0.4%

but who cares

[balmy condor]

Huge

[limber lion]

i guess

[balmy condor]

We’re just sandbagging like hunters

Easy clappers

[limber lion]

it's true

maybe we'll get a baseline 25% buff as well

[balmy condor]

[lucid mirage]

So just to get my last piece of clarification, the difference between the posted Opener and Cev's is 1%, but Cev's is techincally more optimal

[static glacier]

ngl, state of sin atm is a bit meme

[royal lantern]

nah, looking at the way they buffed hunters, they increase the general rupture dmg by 15%, causing sub to be even better

[static glacier]

my alt sv hunter sims like 5k above my main

[limber lion]

Year of the spear continues

[static glacier]

trust

I guess sin has better aoe

only real reprieve

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

Sure. I would personally recommend just using vanish pre-dm instead of the "optimal giga perfect 0.001% top damage big dick build"

just makes everything easier and much more chill

[static glacier]

I miss my unga bunga homebrew'd non exsang opener

[balmy condor]

@normal olive needs to come back and provide openers

But he’s a weeb now

[static glacier]

gar - snd - gar - er - rupture - sbs - box - dm - shiv + tea - spend 2 globals - vanish - gar - env - gar - env

[limber lion]

that's pretty based

[static glacier]

used it for ages before I started playing exsang on dathea

[balmy condor]

It’s almost there

[static glacier]

bring back opener macros xd

[limber lion]

Still waiting for the blue post that goes over the Exsang rework for 10.7

[gaunt moat]

@limber lion You're being way too literal and ignoring context.
But just to make it clear, when i say it was perfect, it wasn't an ego statement, it was in regards to do saying it was just straight up wrong. also it wasn't that serious until you came here all "OPEN UP" FBI style 😂 😂
I'm always up for learning what to improve. it used to be the other way around in the past.

[balmy condor]

Wait

Wrong copy

[limber lion]

LMAO

[lucid mirage]

Lol

[carmine dawn]

Is that a copypasta

[balmy condor]

My phone says it copies

[limber lion]

thanks whispyr, now I'll vanish like a pro

[balmy condor]

And then doesn’t

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Madge

[limber lion]

there it is

[limber lion]

Still not entirely sure what you're even talking about my guy, ngl

[gaunt moat]

yeah that's totally me

don't dare argue with me

[limber lion]

At least you play Assa so that softens the blow

Playing Outlaw would be deadly

That place is hazardous

[balmy condor]

I thought they use instant poison

[lucid mirage]

@balmy condor that's insanely based

[limber lion]

god you're so smart and hot, Mrs. Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Those aren’t boobs cev I’m just fat

[limber lion]

[gaunt moat]

Now I'm kinda wondering it i should use pot earlier as well

[versed mica]

Still don't understand Realz's thought process on making kingsbane and DTB a choice node last minute and then saying "okay see ya!" When everyone was like "pls no"

[signal merlin]

pot on dm

[balmy condor]

Shhh, have another hunter buff

[gaunt moat]

that's what i do right now

[versed mica]

NOOOOOO

[balmy condor]

Stop fighting it

The more you fight it the stronger the hunters become

[limber lion]

So, the sims usually favor everything to be sent as much as possible as early as possible, which is the case here as well. Using potion there over 10k+ parses around 4-6 minutes is a gain because it sometimes allows you to get an extra potion in where it wouldn't be possible if you held it for 10s longer

[versed mica]

alternate timeline
sin gets the BM buffs
25% increased damage on select abilities
still the worst rogue spec

[limber lion]

That's why we've had a lot of issues finding gains with stuff like Shiv and we always go back to sending everything on cooldown without thought because getting extra casts of whatever is generally the more optimal/better thing to do than trying to align it up with something else.

[balmy condor]

25% buff
to kingsbane only
it’s equal again

[gaunt moat]

i see

[limber lion]

But if you know a fight is gonna last less than 5 minutes or like more than 5:30, it's probably safe to hold it for a bit and use it with Deathmark instead.

if you don't care about tracking fight lengths, just send it whenever

[balmy condor]

Actually mr cev, im gonna hold er 5 seconds for shiv so I can get those MEATY envenoms

3 envenoms in shiv a day keeps the doctor away

That’s what they say

[limber lion]

no wonder I'm so fucking dead and tired all the time

need to start envenoming more

[balmy condor]

No, that’s cause you’re a violinist

[limber lion]

fuck

[static glacier]

I hear that harp players get all the girls

[limber lion]

I legitimately don't know a single male harpist

[static glacier]

same

[brazen zodiac]

i pressed more than 3 in sod and it didnt keep them away >:(

[balmy condor]

I only know two harpists though

My professor told me I need to write for strings more, and suggested I write a quartet

So I brought a draft for a harp quartet

And he went “we don’t have 4 harp players”

And I go “yeah, I know”

And then covid hit and I didn’t have anyone to play my shit anyway

So what’s the point

[royal lantern]

why even borther

nothing matters

[balmy condor]

exactly

[royal lantern]

heath death of the universe aproaches

[balmy condor]

and then I quit and went into comp sci like a normal human

[versed mica]

Sin rogue being the bottom spec turned me into a nihilist

[balmy condor]

I went from being a nihilist to rejecting nihilism as a useless, meaningless term for people who need to categorize themselves using beliefs

[versed mica]

Kinda based ngl

Real nihilism

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[gaunt moat]

I became a nihilst once BM got 5% buff

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[royal lantern]

i became a idiot during the 2nd grade

[brazen zodiac]

an :o

[gaunt moat]

That's because the SYSTEM feeds you lies

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-gif-10587157

[royal lantern]

no, i realised that im unable to do basic math

[gaunt moat]

Me neither. luckily you don't need math to be a programmer

[tranquil prairie]

yo i heard assassin rogue bleeds and poisons were getting a buff. is that true?

[balmy condor]

maybe 3 months ago yeah

[tranquil prairie]

dam someone told me yesterdays and I was hyped

[balmy condor]

yeh no clue

[spare crow]

There's no rogue announcement whatsoever for 10.0.7

[balmy condor]

we had the ER/aura nerf heroic week

and then 10.0.5 changes

and thats it for the entire expansion so far

nothing announced for any of the specs in 10.0.7

[spare crow]

not even the fucking nightstalker fix

devs are either turbo sleeping or idk

[balmy condor]

they're cooking class tree rework for 10.1

right?

[gaunt moat]

DEFINTELY

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

for sure

[spare crow]

that's some

super copium

[balmy condor]

yeah

no 10.0.7 changes

cause 10.1

definitely has them

[royal lantern]

20% ct dot dmg buff, we use ct in singletarget and thats it

[spare crow]

[gaunt moat]

I wonder what's the office atmosphere's like
Is realz getting bullied by hunter dev?

[balmy condor]

I have a word association in my head of "realz" and "good"

so maybe realz is the new hunter dev?

[gaunt moat]

that would explain literally no changes for rogues. no rogue dev.

[balmy condor]

[spare crow]

best emote

ive ever not seen in my life

[balmy condor]

yeah just don't use light mode

[spare crow]

what fiend

uses light mode

those mfs prob play arterial precision on eranog

[balmy condor]

I have a guildie that uses light mode

oh

it actually works

[gaunt moat]

MY EYES

[spare crow]

FUCKING SHIT'

FTUNR IT OFF

[balmy condor]

bro this thing is awful lmao

[ebon notch]

Realz didn't leave the discord right

[balmy condor]

no he's still around

[gaunt moat]

delete.

[spare crow]

is this what hell looks like

[weak isle]

IMAGINE not having this discord on top of the list Wisphyr

[balmy condor]

it's actuall easier for my thumb to reach on mobile being further down

so I stuff lesser used discords on top

[weak isle]

ah nvm ur too bigbrain

[balmy condor]

to make it easier for my thumb

[weak isle]

[bold drum]

wtf is this

actually want to die looking at that

[ebon notch]

He's only posted memes the last month lmao

[balmy condor]

it's a thing that a discord UI designer probably got paid a lot of money to make

[ebon notch]

I almost wanna tag him but I won't

[spare crow]

i call that foreshadowing of what rogues will become soon

[balmy condor]

we had a couple CF pings, they went un-replied

[ebon notch]

Oh rly

[balmy condor]

we track every realz ping in staff channels yeh

[bold drum]

that guy suffered a lot, probably needed eye surgery after

[ebon notch]

The DH changes they're making are rly nice

Good quality of life shit

So I know he's doing something

[spare crow]

hunter/ret/dh

all good changes

where rogues

[ebon notch]

He only does DH and rogue right

[balmy condor]

I thought demon hunters whole thing was no quality of life as long as demons live

and let me tell you

#outlaw's got a lot of demons

[ebon notch]

[spare crow]

[balmy condor]

[spare crow]

where does that emoji come from

[balmy condor]

my discord

[spare crow]

coming in hot

[teal iris]

[bold drum]

says outlaw has demons, meanwhile he is terrorizing assa channel with discord light theme screenshots

[ebon notch]

He flashbanged everyone

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/feral-cat-ears-animal-jam-gif-20548918

[bold drum]

[bold drum]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-belly-jiggle-cat-belly-gif-24626027

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

Why is one of the emotes slightly desynced

I hate it

[spare crow]

open a diff channel

and reopen this one

[bold drum]

oh its 4 emotes i didnt see that

[spare crow]

fixed

sometimes emojis are slightly desynced

[ebon notch]

I think it might be desyncing over time as well

[balmy condor]

could be

[ebon notch]

Idk it's fine anyway

[balmy condor]

multi-block emotes are tricky

like this one

is cursed

I re-open the channel and it still desyncs everry now and then

[teal iris]

its perma desynced for me

[bold drum]

change channel and switch back

should fix it

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor wyd

[balmy condor]

sitting on my laptop at work doing maple dailies

cause NA d3 servers are trash

and I'm just gonna get powerleveled later

[ebon notch]

Nice

[gaunt moat]

I think I know what the dev of this game plays

[ebon notch]

Lion king

[uncut echo]

whispyr going wild

[neon kindle]

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ducklett-pokemon-cute-sandile-gif-18012863

[thorn fjord]

This is how I love

[uncut echo]

vore UwU

[spice spire]

[bitter jolt]

In m+ aoe w/ poison bomb, are you aiming to keep poison bomb and crimson tempest bleed up?

So alternating between the 2?

Or are you focus spending on one

[balmy condor]

it's a bit of a crapshoot honestly the damage difference between the two is minimal so most strategies work fine

[bitter jolt]

So can you just ignore envenom? And just spam ct?

[balmy condor]

you could, but you still want to envenom to maintain cttc at minimum

[bitter jolt]

Cttc?

[balmy condor]

envenom is also more single target/prio, so that's something to keep in mind

cut to the chase

the talent that maintains slice

[bitter jolt]

oh right.

But if i have plenty of slice left. Just ignore envenom then?

[balmy condor]

you can, yes

[bitter jolt]

So its only a small gain to try to min max to keep up poison bomb then?

[balmy condor]

you can spam envenom, or spam CT

depending on the situation

they're equal on 8 targets, as long as PB hits all 8

less than that, envenom has a slight edge, more than that, CT has a slight edge

but it's not a meaningful difference either way

[bitter jolt]

Ah got it. .. that’s what i was looking for

Cool .. so 8

Ty

Haha just realized your the wowhead person.. nice

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't think of it as a target count where you swap from one to the other

cause that's not really how it works

you always should try to maintain both

but if you're going to spam, lower target counts slightly prefer envenom, while higher slightly prefer CT

you should never really be full spamming one or the other

[balmy condor]

yeah, I live here

[bitter jolt]

Ah good call.. kk

When do you pick between kingsbane and dtb?

[balmy condor]

you pick dtb when you want to do damage

and kingsbane when you want to troll

[ebon notch]

Whispyr on council

Is it shocking disclosure?

Or rank 3 ultimate elemental

[bitter jolt]

Wowhead has aa using dtb. Is that a mistake then?

[balmy condor]

it should have everything using DTB

[bitter jolt]

Sorry I mean it has aa using kingsbanw

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

I don't know what this is

[ebon notch]

The potion

The aoe thing

[balmy condor]

I've literally never heard of it in my life

probably dogshit

[ebon notch]

Fuck I swear I remember you talking about it but I guess not

[balmy condor]

bro

this gotta be some pvp shit

right

[ebon notch]

No

People use it in keys

[balmy condor]

ain't no way

[ebon notch]

It kinda pumps

[bitter jolt]

So this is outdated the ?

[balmy condor]

yes

idk why it says that

[bitter jolt]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

don't ever play kingsbane

remove it from your mind

[bitter jolt]

Oh ok. Cool ty

[ebon notch]

First pull academy it did like 8% of my damage

[balmy condor]

thats.... not impressive

[ebon notch]

It is for a potion no?

Boon was 8%

[balmy condor]

over like 900 agi?

[royal lantern]

its uncapped free aoe dmg

[ebon notch]

And you can prepot it

[royal lantern]

on big pulls kinda big

[harsh lantern]

thought this was good I use em

[ebon notch]

And then use normal pots

[balmy condor]

I'm sure it's good on SPECIFICALLY that ONE pack

but bro

[ebon notch]

On keys like temple it's rly good

[balmy condor]

that's like a 40 mob pull

[ebon notch]

Halls

[balmy condor]

if it's uncapped aoe

and doing 8% damage

on that pull

fuck that shit lmao

[ebon notch]

My uptime

Wasn't good

Because you have triple lasher

[balmy condor]

okay?

[ebon notch]

And yeah

[balmy condor]

it's a 5 min cooldown

idk

I ain't gonna carry them

[ebon notch]

I'm surprised you hadn't heard of it

[balmy condor]

I'm not cringe

[ebon notch]

Cope but ok

[balmy condor]

carrying around an inventory worth of potions so I can do slightly more dps on a pull where I do less than the tank anyway

[ebon notch]

What

[harsh lantern]

had a guy trade me those in like a first week pug for tree boss

[ebon notch]

When are you below the tank

[balmy condor]

first pull academy?

isn't that what we were just talking about

[ebon notch]

People were using them early on on tree boss to kill the adds

Cause they were broken af

[balmy condor]

I'm very lost

[ebon notch]

Shouldn't be below the tank

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah okay

I'll just do 250k dps then

with no boon

[ebon notch]

I was responding to this sorry

[balmy condor]

sounds lit

[ebon notch]

With regards to being traded the pots

[harsh lantern]

Yeah he told me it was the meta for tree boss lmao just kept a stack of them ever since lmao

[balmy condor]

idk

I ain't ever use them in my life

[ebon notch]

Thankfully they nerfed it

[balmy condor]

probably won't anyway

[ebon notch]

So it's not necessary

[balmy condor]

good tech for exactly 3 pulls I guess

[ebon notch]

This isn't unattainable bro idk

[harsh lantern]

pad pot

[balmy condor]

I'm not changing my potion macro for that though

[ebon notch]

Yeah no I click it

Don't need another pot keybind

[balmy condor]

sounds like a lot of work

[ebon notch]

I push keys for fun

Not the worst thing I've done

[balmy condor]

all these links on the m+ guide are broken

what the fuck

[royal lantern]

fun is kinda cringe, ngl

[ebon notch]

Hard true

[balmy condor]

bro what is fucking happening to my guides

[royal lantern]

they detected you as a sub main and Destroyed everything cus of ut

[celest ruin]

!whisypr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[celest ruin]

your links to sims on raidbots are also broken on your spreadsheet btw

[ebon notch]

Oh no it's all falling apart

[balmy condor]

I know, they timed out

info is still correct

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

the spreadsheet stuff is whatever

the sims were just the proof for the numbers

whatever

jesus

okay

guide fixed

no clue what the fuck that was

I just copy pasted it and it worked

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[split grail]

Dumb question: Does it matter which dagger is in which hand? Do you typically want your better one in main or...?

[balmy condor]

always highest ilvl in your mainhand (left) slot

[split grail]

ty

[dreamy gull]

i got frustrated with d3 when they constantly leave entire sets hilariously unplayable

like half the necro sets are useless

[balmy condor]

okay

[signal merlin]

hey i've been wondering for a while what's the best flask for assa? I've been switching back and forth between versatility, elemental and the toxic crit flask. But i guess it kind of depends of the fight and stuff

[balmy condor]

it's basically always vers flask

you can argue for toxic crit on kurog because the ticking damage in fire and earth phases don't proc it for some reason

but the uptime everywhere else is too low to bother

elemental is practically equal to vers, or slightly worse, and costs like 5x as much

[sand inlet]

Hey @balmy condor, do you know the intricacies of the lariat procs? I'm hearing it has 2 charges on a 1min cooldown, procs any elemental gem you have equipped, choosing the lowest? But if it procs two of the same type they overwrite?

[balmy condor]

It doesn't really choose "the lowest"

it just chooses one at random

the rest sounds right

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[balmy condor]

these are the stats it procs

"2 charges on a 1 min cooldown"

isn't really the right way to word that

it's 2 ppm

so it will on average proc twice a minute

but there's variances on that

[sand inlet]

Can 2 procs be active at the same time?

[balmy condor]

no

[sand inlet]

This is very helpful and way more info then I've been able to find so far, so thank you! I read a comment on wowhead that has sent me down a hole.

[balmy condor]

wowhead comment section

[sand inlet]

You wrote our guide there! 😀

[drifting cosmos]

Wowhead comment section is where you find pro players

[balmy condor]

yeah but I'm not responsible for the cesspools that form in the comments

gotta wear a hazmat suit to enter wowhead comment sections

there is no god to save you when you enter a circle of hell that deep

[drifting cosmos]

it’s where it matters cos dev read that more than anything else surely

[balmy condor]

is that where they got the idea to buff hunters again

[drifting cosmos]

that huge buffs to bm omg

Makes me laugh so hard

just how op that now actually is

[sand inlet]

Well if you're not responsible for them, who is!!??! Terrifying.

[balmy condor]

comments are just anyone

it's like wow forums

[drifting cosmos]

I heard it’s like +10% or something but found that hard to believe

[balmy condor]

except you have to put in significantly more effort to post on the forums

so

the forums might actually be better

but they're pretty bad

I'm trying to find an absolute gem of a comment I had on one of my beta analysis posts

[magic vine]

its 5% overall if they already had the bow for bm, like ~2% for mm/surv

because the current bow is +12% from the effect along lol

[drifting cosmos]

that’s huge fk up

Imagine for those ppl got the bow on 10.0.7 release

Missing out all the fun times

[magic vine]

still getting another buff. be nice to spread those out to more specs tho

[drifting cosmos]

But it does explain a lot of things, some hunters are doing a lot less than others, in keys overall

[magic vine]

if they're bm having the bow or not is basically the biggest thing ever, while its just a good bow for marks (and surv can't even use it i believe)

[drifting cosmos]

Yea I meant bm. Guess it’s a bit like the dagger in SL for sub

interesting times

[magic vine]

like playing ap on single target is less of a loss than a bm not having the bow

[balmy condor]

I will find this

oh

I found it

@sand inlet

https://www.wowhead.com/news/assassination-rogue-first-impression-of-the-new-assassination-talent-trees-in-328213#comments

that's a real comment

on like one of the longest and most in depth analysis posts I did during alpha

I have not understood very well the new concept that they want to give the assassin and it is the POISON

always a good thing to add to your posts

[formal cliff]

wonder why

[balmy condor]

I'm telling you man

if you want to cry about the sheer painful stupidity of humanity

wowhead comments

are A1

[oak sky]

it is the poison

[balmy condor]

the new concept

the poison

the worst part is, I spent like half the article talking about how crazy dragon tempered is and how much support there is for poison damage

and then he's like

nah, you don't get it

okay then

[oak sky]

make poisons a bleed damage enabler fuck it

[balmy condor]

amp poison doesn't increase envenom damage anymore

instead, it speeds up all your bleeds by 100%

this effect stacks

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[oak sky]

ampsang

[balmy condor]

you like my new concept for the assassin?

[oak sky]

yeah

[balmy condor]

it is the poison

[oak sky]

bleed a lot

it is the poison

but idk

we arent getting a real rework

[balmy condor]

[formal cliff]

We ain't getting shit till next tier

trust me

[balmy condor]

nothing for 10.0.7, next tier is 10.1….. hold on he might be onto something

[oak sky]

we all are

qualified to design the game

they should let sin shitposters

design sin i think

[balmy condor]

Crowdsource sin design

[oak sky]

yeah

for sure

just lock out daps and varas

[balmy condor]

That’s a true neutral take if I’ve ever seen one

“The majority is always for the best interest of the whole” type shit ya know

[oak sky]

yeah for sure

nothing would go wrong

nobody would have conflicting opinions

[balmy condor]

Why would they

[oak sky]

yeah

the needs of the whole and all that

exsang would surely be a civil topic of discussion

[formal cliff]

Democratic class design

[balmy condor]

You best be ready for me to show up in a suit n shit

Folder of papers

Like I’m showing up for a sophomore year Socratic seminar

[oak sky]

ill bring a copy of your original sin rework doctored up to look like a scientific study

wound attack

[balmy condor]

Actually went over that end of stream Tuesday

And like lowkey

[oak sky]

theres so many aspects to it that could still apply

[balmy condor]

75% of the shit I put in there made it in

Like not exactly

But I had a shiv cleave talent

And a stacking buff that envenom consumed

It was kinda spooky

Scent of blood made it as well

[oak sky]

can we get the rest

[balmy condor]

Wound attack man

And then making it cleave

[oak sky]

give me wound attack

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t warlock have that basically

[oak sky]

idk

wound attack was basically

reduce dot on envenom

right

because im pretty sure aff doesnt have anything like that

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[oak sky]

yeah i dont think i see that

but i might be missing

[balmy condor]

Close

[oak sky]

kinda

its more like doomblade tho

[balmy condor]

Okay, what if like a 2 min cd

That makes your dots aoe for 10 seconds or something

Vanish -> Carnage -> popcorn ticks

Might be uncontrollable

Feel like unholy has something like that though

Maybe I’m on crack

[oak sky]

its shit

[balmy condor]

Oh

[oak sky]

vile contagion

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s the one

[oak sky]

it just scales really bad

because bursting sores doesnt scale that well with targets

[balmy condor]

Oh did they put like square root scaling on it

And just neuter it

[oak sky]

and i think they hard overcap on rp

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[oak sky]

as well

whereas

ebon fever

which is like

circle of life and death is really good

[balmy condor]

Hm

[oak sky]

and then going superstrain+ morbidity points is good

[balmy condor]

Aight well

Wound attack it is then

Sinister calling my love

[oak sky]

❤️

i had some ideas for kingsbane

[balmy condor]

Like buffing it’s damage?

[oak sky]

little bongcloud tho

[balmy condor]

In Legion we had a trait that reduced its cooldown per poison application

[oak sky]

i wouldnt say im the biggest fan of that

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It was decent cause we had duskwalkers

So they lined back up

[oak sky]

but like beyond just kb

i think the worst thing is we have so many passives that you just

dont notice ever

[balmy condor]

True