assassination

[balmy condor]

I hate that raids are actually doing that

[oak pulsar]

Wanna know the best part, they are leaving a warlock on the platform for boss the whole time

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pbktRoAMSgBboCkqheAhWi
Sims tells me to go full haste/mast gems?
Or I missed something?

[gaunt moat]

warlocks do more ST on that boss.
but sin on platform and taking IC kills your ST
you're dead weight on that fight.

[brazen zodiac]

wait 2 weeks when i ask u 20 questions regarding sin on platform when my raid leader tells me its add time

first spider boss add now this

[balmy condor]

yep that's what it's saying

[balmy condor]

holy cringe

[balmy condor]

I will tell your raid leader it's die time

[slow marsh]

Just pump harder so they can't idk

[balmy condor]

not how that works

[pseudo hamlet]

didn't expect haste being that high, but I guess it is what it is

[balmy condor]

they don't care for the damage

they just see silence

and go full ape

[slow marsh]

If they're letting warlock stay down

[spice spire]

Me

[slow marsh]

That's cringe AF

[balmy condor]

warlock no aoe silence

[spice spire]

AoE stun? Useless

[slow marsh]

yeah lmao

i was typing aoe stun?

[brazen zodiac]

OOOOOOOO BIG IC SILIENCE FUYCK YESS THE UTILTY BADBTTCH ITS ABOUT THE UNILITY YOU GOTTA BE A TEAM PLAYER

[balmy condor]

actually though

aoe stun = doesn't group up the adds

= bad

[spice spire]

It’s the grippy angle buckaroo

[slow marsh]

gimping rogue damage to group adds instead of just stunning

[brazen zodiac]

is what my rl would say tbh

[spice spire]

Gonna need those adds gripped harder than. Nvm.

[brazen zodiac]

looks like ur gonna have to reroll dk quake

[slow marsh]

he already has

[spice spire]

We have 3

[brazen zodiac]

oh dear

[spice spire]

About to make it 4

[slow marsh]

inb4 they complain about having to hold slappy for adds

[brazen zodiac]

im working on an alliance LF draenei DK

[royal lantern]

meanwhile druids had a 20page copypaste why they should never take their aoe beam cus it costs them 70%dps

[brazen zodiac]

cuz LF is gamer race

[slow marsh]

lmao good

[balmy condor]

neanderthal raid leaders

putting sin on adds

actual braindead chimps in these guilds

[brazen zodiac]

he hasnt said anything yet but im preparing for the worst

[spice spire]

I agree to adds once

And immediately regretted it

Just let me hit dathea

That’s what i’m good for this tier. Slamming main boss

[royal lantern]

(still only #5 boss dmg)

[brazen zodiac]

stabby stabby 1 target

[spice spire]

False

[gaunt moat]

@oak pulsar
I'm not sure why you're even surprised about it, it's a good call.

[balmy condor]

because locks have crowd control

without sacrificing like 20% of their damage?

???

[slow marsh]

btw i lied @spice spire

[gaunt moat]

so do other classes

[slow marsh]

dance does work with ic iron wire

[spice spire]

??

[balmy condor]

given the opportunity to leave a warlock on the boss or the rogue on the boss

you put the rogue on the boss 11 times out of 10

[slow marsh]

i just did it on trianing dummies

[balmy condor]

that's not a debate

[spice spire]

[gaunt moat]

given that opportunity you leave both on boss if it's sin
sin is garbage on paltform

or you just don't bring the rogue

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

okay

so then why are you not sure why he's surprised about it

[slow marsh]

new dathea strat

[balmy condor]

you seem to grasp the concept

[slow marsh]

if your RL is trolling you

[spice spire]

That was the entire debate

[slow marsh]

troll them back and run dance

[spice spire]

Stop the propaganda

[slow marsh]

how is that propaganda

it lets you dm boss

and vanish

[slow marsh]

and still have iw for adds

if they're gonna troll may as well make the most of it

[thorn fjord]

[slow marsh]

but you dont get acro for the succ so idk

[gaunt moat]

What I got from him is that warlocks are not good to stay on dathea
maybe i misunderstood

[balmy condor]

what he was saying is why is the warlock staying down when he's going platforms

[slow marsh]

real answer or the answer given?

[brazen zodiac]

both

[slow marsh]

the real answer is that warlocks are the worst and never move

[balmy condor]

idk, it feels real simple:
if assassination -> don't put on adds
need more on adds? -> don't put the assassination

but raid leaders be absolute apes

so

what can you do I guess

[spice spire]

4 heal kurog

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

That way you never get to dathea

I’ve found the line

[gaunt moat]

either they're just woefully misunderstanding how bad sin is on platform
or they do, but their warlock greatly outperforms this rogue

[balmy condor]

it's actually probably 4 healable now post nerfs

[spice spire]

Yeah I wouldn’t doubt it

Just seeing the healing necessary

Was insane

[balmy condor]

kurog is actually a joke boss now

[slow marsh]

RLs dont know how sin rogue works is most often the case

[spice spire]

Good I need that

[slow marsh]

And if they do then they say well just play sub

[brazen zodiac]

it kinda is yeah

[balmy condor]

we had our spriest lag out like 5 seconds into pull

[indigo wing]

hey quick question is it ever worth it in m+ to not run IC? and got AP instead? or maybe split between and have a single capstone?

[balmy condor]

and we still beat dps check

[balmy condor]

no

[slow marsh]

no

[brazen zodiac]

we were getting to like 40 with it relatively nicely

[balmy condor]

especially not single capstone

[brazen zodiac]

but we swapped to 5 cuz the dps didnt wanna play dps anymore lmfao

[spice spire]

Isn’t your sp kind of a gamer too?

[balmy condor]

single capstone is actually terribad

[slow marsh]

i'm trying to test some cursed things in m+ but i can't even get in a group to try it so

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spice spire]

Nice

[brazen zodiac]

what kind of ucrsed things :o

[spice spire]

We have a shot

[gaunt moat]

My RL is a rogue.
so he knows.
but he still wishes i'd play sub

[balmy condor]

but like, if we can 19 man kurog with 5 heals, and not hit the enrage

kurog is a joke

[slow marsh]

dance IC AP

[spice spire]

Bless

[balmy condor]

I just contracted multiple diseases

[spice spire]

Spider boss time

[gaunt moat]

i think i heard somewhere dance doesn't cause empwoered garrote?

[balmy condor]

all of them are incurable

[balmy condor]

it does

[slow marsh]

ye

[brazen zodiac]

soudns fun

[gaunt moat]

but like, how does dance even help you. IC's CD is 45 seconds, it's usually about the time between packs

actually maybe on fortified it's longer

but then you'd use IC on a pack that's mostly dead

[slow marsh]

you'd just sync ic to dance

or use every other

[balmy condor]

sync ic to dance

[slow marsh]

yeah idk that's why i want to try it

[spice spire]

His ass is not allowed to cook

[slow marsh]

why not

[spice spire]

U know what u r

[gaunt moat]

yeah but what i'm saying is that you're stating a pack from stealth anyway
and using dance to cast it mid-combat would probably be on a pack that's half dead.
but that's just a game theory
so let us know

[slow marsh]

yeah im a pioneer

i guess you'd open with ic gar rupt

then dance for pandemic

[gaunt moat]

what are you gonna drop in order to get dance

[balmy condor]

[storm belfry]

For mass AOE do you spam CT still? Or w tier do you wanna envenom more

Hello Whispyr

[slow marsh]

depends on target count

[oak sky]

Subt

Brooo

[balmy condor]

both, neither

[shrewd night]

Killing whispyr, one talent point at a time

[oak sky]

Cant you just not go subt and do some degen pathing to get the vers points

[storm belfry]

Are you saying you do both in AOE

[balmy condor]

yes

you maintain CT, and then pick whatever you want

[slow marsh]

na i mean you can put it into gouge if you really wanted

[storm belfry]

Oh I see

[slow marsh]

but its slightly more to put into subt for the one random ambush

[pseudo hamlet]

Could anyone sim it with all the gems + all the possible enchants on the rings?
I am getting mixed results (it tells me to go full crit gems when I have haste ring enchants, full mast when I have crit enchants and full haste when I have mastery enchants).

[storm belfry]

What did you mean by neither

I may have misunderstood that

[balmy condor]

you don't have to spam either

[indigo wing]

so my question is i did 20 resims it has me putting crit haste gems everywhere when i take a look at your spread sheet i just feel like i’m off

[balmy condor]

you can alternate

[storm belfry]

Oh I see I see

[balmy condor]

it giga doesn't matter

as long as you maintain CT

and you envenom sometimes

[storm belfry]

For sure

[balmy condor]

you're good to go

[torpid tulip]

on warcraft logs how are guys showing deathmark doing 3rd in damage for like 1.89m? i dont' understand that my death mark does not come near that much in a normal fight or heroic

[storm belfry]

I was just seeing some maintain ct and then strictly envenoming. It was good damage but was wondering

Cause I don’t remember doing that. But also my memory is bad so idk

[balmy condor]

warcraftlogs combines the duplication effects into deathmark, details doesn't

[balmy condor]

why is that an issue

[indigo wing]

that’s it

[subtle tundra]

just cause you see good dmg it doesnt mean its the best dmg

[storm belfry]

That is why I was asking

[runic hinge]

I love when you try and push dance on the assa channel. Makes my day. I’m not gonna try it tho

[indigo wing]

i’m just confused on stat weights i know my mastery increases bleeds but it’s saying to go more crit and haste im just confused on what a good haste number is so i can focus on crit mast

[torpid tulip]

@balmy condor ty

[slow marsh]

im not trying to push it on anyone lol

[balmy condor]

you just sim, and it says "take this" and you go "okay thanks"

[torpid tulip]

Does anyone know why people are still going serated bones rather then putting all 3 points into zoldyck?

[balmy condor]

stat weights aren't real

forget the term

[subtle tundra]

what if in aoe you dont shadow dance unless its just for ic

[balmy condor]

they aren't useful

[balmy condor]

cause its more damage

[brazen zodiac]

[torpid tulip]

really serated bones does more damage then the execute phase for 45 % more damage as oppose to 35%... hmmm damn

[balmy condor]

yes

that's why every guide recommends it

[brazen zodiac]

cool ability

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

you can hold dance for the 2nd ic if you open from stealth with it and vanish during pandemic like normal

[indigo wing]

thanks @balmy condor

[storm belfry]

Assa shadow dance

[indigo wing]

i should’ve just went feral

😂

[slow marsh]

i mean yeah lol

[storm belfry]

What would that achieve Vergil

[dreamy gull]

Sbs is so hard to use

[slow marsh]

read lethal dose

[indigo wing]

it’s more sin rogue then sin rogue i think right now

[subtle tundra]

yes dude

@balmy condor have you simmed this

holding shadow dance for 45s on aoe

[slow marsh]

lol

[indigo wing]

i do great damage as sin love sin but if i’m not playing sub forget getting any keys above 17

[dreamy gull]

[subtle tundra]

i might get muted

[slow marsh]

do it

it'll make my month

[subtle tundra]

thats completely false

wtf

i did 20 on first week as assa

not in time but still

[dreamy gull]

[subtle tundra]

its like 20 ilvl + trinkets + 4pc difference

[indigo wing]

pug struggle on mal ganis is real i get more leavers then anything

[subtle tundra]

why does server matter

[storm belfry]

It doesn’t

[subtle tundra]

yea exactly

[gaunt moat]

SBS isn't only damage by itself, it has some other features:
▪️ Ranged attack
▪️ Cheap builder
▪️ Better than using mutilate at 3-4 CPs, since you won't overcap and waste CPs.
so overall you'll be using your energy more efficiently the whole fight.

[storm belfry]

Is this classic

[balmy condor]

please do not ping me about shadow dance

[dreamy gull]

LOL

[subtle tundra]

hmmm

ok tho

but

shadow dance with ap?

[indigo wing]

i’m going off of my own experience no one else’s i’m not saying that it’s the same for everyone but that’s been my luck

[subtle tundra]

buddy

when you make a group for m+

its not only people from your realm

its the whole server

[indigo wing]

i understand that

[subtle tundra]

back to shadow dance with ap

so MA + TTK

should go hard

just spitballling

[dreamy gull]

I miss venom Rush

[gaunt moat]

Maybe the true sin build actually needs cold blood

[subtle tundra]

there is a build thats like slightly better for m+ with cb

but like...

very slightly

[dreamy gull]

CB + AP + TTB ends it fr

[subtle tundra]

nope

you still cb on ct

well basically use cb on cd

so it ends up on ct

[indigo wing]

so CB CT?

and that’s an increase?

[subtle tundra]

nvm

please dont read anything i typed

not that its wrong

[gaunt moat]

100% crit CT

[subtle tundra]

but its just not what i want people to know

[storm belfry]

Toxic blade

[gaunt moat]

new meta

[sweet dawn]

Quick question what is the best talent to swap out in our ST build to get the last point in Zoldycks?

[balmy condor]

nothing

you don't do that

[sweet dawn]

Ah oke

[indigo wing]

i’m greedy and run 2 points in IP and 1 in FC

[dreamy gull]

Are they even going to do anything about sin or are they fine with the current state of it

It seems like the latter

[balmy condor]

2 people in an hour asking about 3/3 zold

[indigo wing]

Ah

[balmy condor]

[gaunt moat]

real question
would it KILL THEM to make zoldyc only a 2 point talent?

[balmy condor]

which streamer said dumb shit

[storm belfry]

I will ask about it tomorrow

/s

[balmy condor]

that's what they're working towards

[indigo wing]

@balmy condor i remembered exactly what i needed to ask for exsang do i hold it for my 3rd death mark? or don’t DM until exsang?

[royal lantern]

monkeys paw curls

its 2points now, 5% and 10%

[balmy condor]

you play box+exsang as if they were 4 min cooldowns

[gaunt moat]

i hate you.

[dreamy gull]

Raszageth keeps knocking me out of stealth and fucking up my opener

[indigo wing]

you lost me i’m sorry

i have box and exsang

[balmy condor]

they're 3 min cooldowns, you don't cast them when they come up, you want for 4 min and then repeat the opener

[indigo wing]

so hold dm

[gaunt moat]

he means you sync them with every 2nd deathmark

[indigo wing]

repeat opener got it

[balmy condor]

no

don't hold dm

[indigo wing]

oh

[balmy condor]

when did I mention dm

you hold box and exsang

[indigo wing]

now i got it

[balmy condor]

they are 3 min cooldowns

you hold for 4

[indigo wing]

yes sorry i miss read that my apologies

[strange python]

Should I use puzzle box in between Exsanguinate and deathmark, before deathmark, or after deathmark

[uncut echo]

And deleting exsang, and fixing class tree talents, and removing as many critical class tree nodes from the class tree as we have, surely?

[uncut echo]

Faq

Opener is there

[balmy condor]

surely

[uncut echo]

Surely

[brazen zodiac]

yes!

[sweet dawn]

My guild's just trying to get Mythic terros and I felt like we needed more execute, you never know

[spice spire]

Exsang haters

More damage > more execute for Terros

[gaunt moat]

btw, there's something that's been bothering me, and i bet i'm missing like a very obvious reason.
but during opener, after i vanish, my garrotes always give 4 CPs
but later in the fight, if i vanish garrote, i don't get 4CPs
why is that

[uncut echo]

Valid notion, but it's not plausible

[spice spire]

You’ll get more damage by not doing that

[sweet dawn]

Yeee true (I also lowkey wanted to try beat our arms warrior at his own game)

[uncut echo]

Not happening

Kinda gotta take the L there

FeelsClassDiff

[strange python]

I do not see it there maybe i'm blind but it's not on the graphic and searching for it only brings up a changelog but no information

[spice spire]

Arms warrior is their own hell

Dw

[dense herald]

DM duplicating it

[uncut echo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019199475421552651/1067653923856470026/image.png?width=810&height=293

[ebon notch]

bro arms warrior kinda sucks ass

im rly not enjoying it

[dreamy gull]

There will always be an arms warrior doing better than you by smashing random buttons on their keyboard simply accept it

[spice spire]

It is not fun

[uncut echo]

You puzzlebox after ER as you hit it

[sweet dawn]

Can't win in the opener, can't win in execute, destined to finish the fight like... 3rd

[spice spire]

To try to weave in your IP/only use clap during tom

[ebon notch]

like i cant even parse on most bosses cause they either go too fast or you do full aoe or full st

[subtle tundra]

well arms is kinda good after many consecutive buffs

[ebon notch]

i dont mind the single target rotation personally

[subtle tundra]

and we getting stupid fucking nerfs

[ebon notch]

it just doesnt feel worth it

also bosses like dathea

[gaunt moat]

Oh, i didn't realize DM can duplicate that extra effect, i thought it only copies the bleed DoT.

[ebon notch]

we are only doing 2 platforms

[uncut echo]

And busted class tree

[ebon notch]

i got a 40 parse on our last kill

[spice spire]

Skill issue

[strange python]

Oh, I guess I didn't consider that it was a channeled trinket

[spice spire]

Tbh

[ebon notch]

where are the adds to pad on

everything explodes

[uncut echo]

:) hope that helped!

[spice spire]

Just slam (clap) more man

[ebon notch]

im gonna swap my main alt to DH

way more fun

[spice spire]

[strange python]

but it doesn't exactly answer my question, it says use "with" deathmark. Does it matter if it's before or after?

[dreamy gull]

I thought it was getting another 5% buff

[slow marsh]

he means rogue

[dreamy gull]

Is rogue getting nerfs again
I feel like I missed smth in ptr notes

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[storm belfry]

Which nerfs

[gaunt moat]

It's kinda confusing wording to me. because this says "applied"

[gaunt moat]

and this says "when cast"

logically, "when cast" should happen before applied

[balmy condor]

deathmark casts a garrote

"when cast" gives 2 cp

[gaunt moat]

but it gives 4 cp with DM

it's just a bit confusing wording. i didn't pick up that that's the reason for the extra CPs

[balmy condor]

well yeah

1 from garrote, 2 from shrouded, 2 from shrouded from the second garrote

[slow marsh]

if it casts a 2nd garrote shouldn't you get an extra tho

[balmy condor]

an extra what

[slow marsh]

cp

you get 3 per garrote with shrouded

[balmy condor]

you don't cast 2 garrotes

you get 1 cp from the cast

[gaunt moat]

only the affect is doubled

[balmy condor]

the deathmark is casting it

[strange python]

ty

[slow marsh]

so you dont get the base 1 cp from it

[balmy condor]

I don't have the patience to deal with this right now

[slow marsh]

lol

I'm just saying it seems like weird code if it gives the 2 extra from ss but not hte 1 base

[gaunt moat]

@slow marsh it's just confusing wording.
honestly, when i just started using DM, it took me a while to even understand how it works
and even now i learned a new thing

cause it doesn't just "copies", it literally Casts what you're casting again.

[slow marsh]

exactly so it should give the extra based on that

but wow code

[gaunt moat]

no no, it only has the "on cast" affect.
it's not the same as using the ability, which gives 1 CP.
imagine as if DM is the one casting garrote, not you.

but yeah, it's confusing as fuck.

[slow marsh]

it doesn't matter if dm is casting or not it should still give the full cp

or none of it

that's why its confusing

cuz its breaking its own rule

[gaunt moat]

there's a separation between on cast affect and using an ability.
how would you know that as a regular player who doesn't visit discord?
you wouldn't

[balmy condor]

regular players don't need to know

[sudden canyon]

you actually run subter?

[slow marsh]

no

it was a troll gone wrong

i should've known better in this current state

[sudden canyon]

i was trying out dance in a couple of keys

[royal lantern]

blissful ignorance

[slow marsh]

where everyone seems to be in a constant state of malding

[sudden canyon]

its like a 1 minute vanish

[slow marsh]

yeah i wouldn't talk about dance rn you might get jumped

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[gaunt moat]

huh?
no, the ability description should just be clearer.
It's actually very hard to write ability descriptions.
especially in card games like magic and hearthstone, there's whole studies about it

[balmy condor]

you're more than welcome to play shit talents

[balmy condor]

that's nice

[sudden canyon]

its not bad honestly. it just feel shit in aoe situations coz youd rather CT spam then dance and tabtarget regarrote. and ER just makes the CT spam better and its on a 45sec cd vs dances 1 min.

[gaunt moat]

are you in a bad mood or something

[balmy condor]

with the conversations that happen in here? near constantly, yes

[gaunt moat]

I don't appreciate that passive aggressive attitude.

[slow marsh]

you get used to it

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry to hear that

the thing is though, normal players really don't need to know

why do they

it doesn't affect your rotation

[sudden canyon]

pulling 4% less dps isnt going to brick a +15, ill play shit talents if i enjoy the playstyle granted its within a reasonable % of the FOTM build.

[balmy condor]

you can know that my city is under a freeze warning until February 25th at 11am

how does that help you

what are you going to do with this information

[oak sky]

Dude LA county has a blizzard warning rn apparently

[sudden canyon]

whats a freeze warning

[oak sky]

Like??????? How can it snow in LA

[sudden canyon]

deadass in in LA

i heard some hard rain ealier

[oak sky]

Yeah like

[sudden canyon]

thought it was hail but was like nah

[oak sky]

Its not cold enough for snow

[frosty flame]

damn this has been everyday where i am up at here in canada since like january

[brazen zodiac]

:o

we're so snowed in the snows almost up to the deck. who thought living in the mountains during winter was a good idea

with a lake down the street

stay safe !!!!!!

[gaunt moat]

It does affect your rotation though, in opener after you vanish you can garrote to 4, envenom. then garrote again to 4CP.
and I would say iceblades and I are probably above regular players, it was still confusing.
anyways, it's okay if you don't want to discuss it, it's not even a big deal.
I'm just for abilities being as clear as possible, which is a hard thing to do.

[balmy condor]

you can garrote to 4, envenom. then garrote again to 4CP.sure you can, but it doesn't matter if you do

[slow marsh]

I was just complaining about wow code just to complain I don't really care either way

[strange python]

Your talking to Whispyr right now Notter, we're all average players to him

[balmy condor]

you can also spam distract

you can shroud on vanish

[oak sky]

True

[slow marsh]

I do what I want like who cares i'm not even in a guild don't listen to me

[balmy condor]

you can do all these things

[gaunt moat]

doubt that

[balmy condor]

the real question is, do tooltips need to be relevant if your decision making is not beholden to them

[dreamy gull]

I haven't really used distract tbh
I assume it has some utility in grouping mobs for the tank..?

At super high levels

[balmy condor]

deathmarks tooltip for all purposes could just read "your bleeds deal twice the damage"

and it would functionally be the same thing

that's a very clear tooltip

it doesn't describe what the ability does very well

but its functional

[slow marsh]

you use distract a lot in m+ to control pats

[strange python]

literally never used distract

someone else can worry about that i'm busy pumpin bro

[oak sky]

Wouldnt say a lot

But distract is situationally good

[slow marsh]

I use it like 3-4 times in a key

[oak sky]

I definitely dont

[slow marsh]

o

[oak sky]

Maybe every couple keys

[slow marsh]

your tanks are probably just better then

[oak sky]

Probably be doing m+ on rogue this weekend

[gaunt moat]

when you go into the realms of DM also triggering external affects such as granting these CPs, i'd argue that it should be made clear that it's not just "your bleeds deal extra damage"
because yes, at first when i just got that ability, that's how i treated it, "bleed go BRRR"
but like, why is this even a discussion, why would not prefer to have clearer description. there's no downside.

[dreamy gull]

Tanks that force me to constantly chase them make me so mad lol
Idt I've ever been mad at a group member other than a tank

[oak sky]

Downside is dev time devoted to something that 99% of the time doesn't matter

Like yeah it might be nice to have a better tooltip

But the current one is plenty good enough

[gaunt moat]

that's not really how dev time works

[oak sky]

And we need other stuff much more urgently

[gaunt moat]

usually these things come from QA department

[dreamy gull]

Like I had this pally who constantly would pull more the instant most of the last group was dead

Never letting me restealth or anything

[slow marsh]

tooltip would be qa writing a ticket stating what it should be and dev copy pasting

[oak sky]

From what i remember realz was working on tooltip things for beta

Not sure if thats still the case

[gaunt moat]

he probably did first pass

[brazen zodiac]

feels nice to distract that 1 mob in hov if ur unlucky and its pathing lul

[balmy condor]

realz definitely does the tooltips

but even if QA did the tooltips, the downside is that you're asking for something impossible

[frosty flame]

honestly, some tanks just need to know what classes they're playing with lol

[balmy condor]

no matter how you write it, it will be confusing

[slow marsh]

the devs do the tooltips but in theory qa should be the ones doing most of the heavy lifting. all in all if it's minor changes like what we're talking about who cares

[balmy condor]

you either shorten it, and confuse people

[oak sky]

Its gonna get too wordy really fast

[balmy condor]

or you make a gigantic book that people won't read

[dreamy gull]

Also tanks who don't let me hit shadow crash as priest

[balmy condor]

it's the same issue with guides, with the faq channels, with the pins

it's simply an unachievable goal

[gaunt moat]

there's an art to it. i believe there's a way to make anything clearer.

[dreamy gull]

I haven't read a servers rules in like 3 years cause they're all the same lol
Don't be a douchebag don't advertise don't call people slurs don't post porn

[compact bay]

is assasination hard compared to the other 2 specs? i wanna try it for mythic kurog

[strange python]

Keep it obscure so only the big brains can rise

[frigid pilot]

@balmy condor do people have to rupture all random bullshit ads on kurog to parse?

[gaunt moat]

now that's some 4head.

[ebon notch]

no

[slow marsh]

that's poe

[strange python]

haha

[ebon notch]

if you rly want to then sbs them

[balmy condor]

only the big ones

[ebon notch]

the smallies get ignored

[frigid pilot]

You maintain too?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gaunt moat]

at first i vanished to garrote both big adds, cause you know.. damage.
but then i realized i actually wanted to kill the boss.

[ebon notch]

i mean thats what i do

if we get unlucky spawns ill normal garrote one

wait for the other to come in

then double garrote the new big add and refresh on the old one

you get double empowered garrote with full pandemic

[gaunt moat]

probably is it delays your vanish on kurog when he comes back by like 30 seconds or so
and we needed the boss damage

[ebon notch]

oh

i mean i deathmarked it also

but we are fine for boss damage

your mileage may vary

[gaunt moat]

probably we'll be good now, with hunter buffs as well.
but we've only killed him once and now we're extending forever.

[ebon notch]

ye if ur on prog

you save

100p

[dreamy gull]

How are group finder heroic raids

I'm thinking about trying one

[gaunt moat]

(actually we killed it twice but they benched me for 2nd kill. then they regretted it after wiping until last pull of night cause they were missing boss damage)

[royal lantern]

new changes

feral buffs

frost dk.changes

[oak sky]

No shot

[royal lantern]

0rogue

[oak sky]

Feral buffs

[royal lantern]

[oak sky]

💀

[royal lantern]

litearlly 0rogue again

[slow marsh]

i told you dude they're buffing feral for no reason

[sudden canyon]

good enough for what? good enough for them to focus on more serious issues pertainting to the spec, coz it doesnt seem like thats happening

Do they have like 1 person working on 3 classes and all their specs?

[gaunt moat]

At this point I'm saying thanks it's 0 rogues because sin will just get more nerfs

[royal lantern]

5in our case

realz does rogue and dh

[oak sky]

Good enough that the tooltip doesn't make the game worse because its so bad

[royal lantern]

[feral rivet]

Its not really a buff for feral, dmg just spread around

From incarn to builders

[gaunt moat]

I actually started leveling a feral 👀

[feral rivet]

Its been my main for almost every expansion except now when its finally good again :p but i play it more than rogue in keys nowadays

[gaunt moat]

I'm like lvl 43. I hope it gets faster energy regen later

[feral rivet]

It does by getting tons of free procs

It is a slow spec tho

[drowsy creek]

Its only me that thinks that assassin rogue is overcomplicated?

[frigid pilot]

WhTs the best plater profile for multidotting?

[spice spire]

Tbh it’s pretty simple spec in my humble opinion

[spice spire]

I personally like cev’s profile

Let me fetch it real quick

[gaunt moat]

Took me whileeee to get used to feral not actually being reskinned sin.
At first i played it as if it was sin, just focusing on dots. Never got to use bite 🤣

[drowsy creek]

I played monk and pala, and rogue feels another level of dificulty

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[spice spire]

Maintain SnD, maintain bleeds, dump envenoms, use mini CDs and CDs where applicable, chuckle

[dreamy gull]

The only hard part of sin is the aoe can sometimes get complicated

Keeping dots active

[spice spire]

Sure

It has complications but the base level

[storm belfry]

What nerfs is rogue getting? Never saw the answer earlier

[spice spire]

Is pretty tame

[spice spire]

None

[gaunt moat]

At its core, it's actually not hard.
But there's a big button bloat that to new players is a complexity barrier

[storm belfry]

Oh was that a troll comment then

[drowsy creek]

that blue combo points calculations get me dizzy

[storm belfry]

Your dog is gorgeous btw @spice spire

Our dogs look similar

[spice spire]

Ty he’s a sweet boy and I love him very much. What kind do you have friend?

[spice spire]

From resounding clarity? (Echoing reprimand)

[storm belfry]

He’s a mixed boy. Old man. He’s rott mixed w something I’m not sure of. He’s about 12

[spice spire]

Same, George is 7.
He’s English shepherd mixed with idk what

[gaunt moat]

hah sorry, it's a joke because sin has gotten like 5 nerfes (and even more in pvp) in DF already

[storm belfry]

What a good boy

I also have a girl who is a blue heeler. She is 3

[drowsy creek]

yea, so many things to track

[spice spire]

Should send pics if you have them! (dm is fine)

[spice spire]

Definitely one of the complexities of it!

[gaunt moat]

A good WAs setup makes itva lot more managable

[drowsy creek]

The other specs feels easier or its just the same?

[storm belfry]

Will send soon!

[gaunt moat]

They are simpler in complexity imo, but harder in execution

[weak isle]

each spec brings their own learning curve

[spice spire]

It’s a different degree of difficulty for other specs

[weak isle]

how to say the same thing in 3 different ways

[spice spire]

[gaunt moat]

Outlaw is proc-based insanity.
Sub is burst windows exact sequences.

Sin is planning ahead and maintenance.

(Extra for sin - it's hard to msintain cleave)

Pick your poison

[thorn fjord]

Think I’m gonna pick DC spam and disease spread 🤣

[gusty mirage]

traitor

just play frost

it's about to be better than all 3 rogue specs too

[thorn fjord]

haha

Playing DK has made me more triggered about our current situation as rogue @gusty mirage

[spice spire]

?

[thorn fjord]

Its so easy to play and the damage is crazy

[spice spire]

Oh nvm

Yeah

[thorn fjord]

and like they keep getting buffed

[gusty mirage]

fun fact

[thorn fjord]

But nobody complains about DK

[gusty mirage]

every spec is easy to play

[thorn fjord]

every says Rogue still OP

[gusty mirage]

if you think your spec is complex

you're high on crack

aka arcane mage

[thorn fjord]

Its all the same... Build finish pop cd's in a specific order

lol

[gusty mirage]

if your decision making goes beyond "idk I just press my buttons"

you're overthinking this game

[thorn fjord]

I have the same issue @spice spire has where my hands have a hard time keeping up with my brain sometimes lol

But thats all muscle memory

[echo cargo]

No PTR rogue changes

Big sad

[thorn fjord]

Blizzard doesnt give a shit about us

[gaunt moat]

They do when we're doing well 🙃

[thorn fjord]

Touche'

[spice spire]

Tbf there was a long period of silence in the period before 10.0 and then we got a pretty sick amount of love

I’m on hopium tho

[runic hinge]

The amount of animosity I was getting from my friend group was uncomfortable. Now they just say feint is too strong.

[oak sky]

We are getting no love

[gaunt moat]

I lost hope for the 0.7 patch

I don't think at this point they want to touch balance anymore

[spice spire]

Rogue skilled class but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check their pc and game

[gaunt moat]

I keep hearing unholy is hard and suffers button bloat

[oak sky]

Button bloat maybe

[subtle tundra]

Fk blizzard is really trying to push 10 0 7 with 0 rogue notes

[karmic cedar]

What changes would people like to see? I'm enjoying my rogue, but I'm not a super high end player, just heroic raid and up to +20

Kingsbane being dead feels bad, but my guess is that won't change until 10.1

[oak sky]

Million boring talents and dead talents

[brazen zodiac]

ctrl 4 rogue 0 :c

[slow marsh]

make lethal dose affect bleeds poisons on everything not just per target

[frigid pilot]

love the csgo pastas randomly in sin chat hahaha

CHECK HIM PC

[solemn mason]

does patchwork sims include execution?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[somber fractal]

honestly just rework exsang into something that feels like it's meant to be in the game and I would be happy with the class as is.

hopefully thats still on the 10.1 menu

[violet talon]

Even if they made it a 2-minute CD that could sync with DM would be a huge improvement imo. The 3-minute CD is just so clunky and creates awkward timings

[formal cliff]

2min exsang would be too powerful

as we would just line up with dm every time

I just want KB to be playable tbh

[somber fractal]

i dont think sin needs to worry about being too powerful at the moment. we do the same or less ST as sub and outlaw while having to give up so much ST to do any aoe

[violet talon]

As it currently exists, yeah probably. But they could reduce the tick speed to compensate if needed. The main problem I have with Exsang at the moment is it just doesn't even feel good in the rotation

[somber fractal]

you could say that DTB isnt as impactful as KB, but something about slapping 4 poisons on your weapons feels good from a thematic perspective

[somber fractal]

feels really good in the opener

[violet talon]

Yeah, feels fucking amazing in an opener for sure. But feels downright awful everywhere else

[somber fractal]

it just gets wonky when you have to know your kill times to decide if you should be syncing it or not

[turbid heath]

I'm ngl

I don't even understand Exsang, it's such a shitty talent. Like it could be so much better😅

Like it's a terrible cooldown for a 3 min CD

WTB something with more pezazz, make me blink all over the target with a million slice animations all over my screen and poison and bleed effects everywhere

[violet talon]

Load up your target with empowered garrote/rupture and Exsang sends them at super saiyan speed. It's ridiculously powerful, but the timing just doesn't sync well with the rest of the kit

[violet talon]

You sure you don't actually just want to play Outlaw? They have all of that stuff lol

[turbid heath]

Never tried outlaw tbh

[formal cliff]

So you want to do killing spree with additional vfx?

replied to the wrong message but w/e

[slow marsh]

there's this game

called final fantasy

i think you might like it

or lost ark

[turbid heath]

I was thinking black desert vibes

[sudden canyon]

could just play DH

[dreamy gull]

I'm literally too noob to play law

I just die constantly lol

Always miss ambush procs too

[slow viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dreamy gull]

Despairge

[dark token]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-fridge-empty-gif-15623425

Me when I see these patch notes

And no rogue changes

Every time

[dreamy gull]

I was a Valeera main in hots

I was always hoping for changes every balance patch

And it was like 3 years with not a tweak

[outer cairn]

I still play Valeera

[storm belfry]

ppl still play hots?

[outer cairn]

stun a muradin mid jump

yeah they do. MFpally and Fan still make vids on it

[viscid spear]

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[lucid birch]

o.o

[balmy condor]

this you?

[lucid birch]

[marble hemlock]

i loved phasing raszageth 10sec earlier than usual cuz our enhance was doing 95k in p1 instead of 75k

[lucid birch]

gamba

[balmy condor]

wdym, the damage profile is so consistent?

[lucid birch]

Reliable damages

[balmy condor]

the damage breakdown is real colorful too

I love colors

all colors in fact

[outer cairn]

just sucks there is really only one build for her.

[balmy condor]

I thought they shut down hots servers

[shrewd night]

Nah they just dont have active development

[outer cairn]

yeah no patches or anything in a long time

[minor valve]

Is it possible to macro Exang and Puzzle Box together?

[uncut echo]

learning to not exsang my deathmark

is so cringe

[balmy condor]

no

[outer cairn]

locking out at kurog. unless i get eranog ring this week in vault no chance

feels great considering thats a 2.2% increase

and nearly everyone else that needs it has it

[silver sail]

is it recommended to line up exanguinate with the death mark by holding exanguinate for ~1min?

[weak isle]

yes

like the FaQ says

unless ur fight ends before it

[silver sail]

coolie. ok should read faq again,,did not remember seeing that

[eager solstice]

IC garrote good strat for platform on dathea w/o dks?

[drifting cloud]

@gusty mirage thoughts

[twilit lagoon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

I'll fucking kill you

[balmy condor]

assassination should never be add p[rio

[shy pecan]

Any tips on how to help maximize sin’s damage in dungeons as a tank? Aside from letting them stealth between pulls

[gusty mirage]

chain early and often

not even memeing

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

it's easier for them to continue damage

if they still have bleeds on the last bit of the previous pull

[shy pecan]

Oh?

So like if they’re at 25%, grab the next pack?

[balmy condor]

chaining is an art

you gotta know when to chain

but if you do it well, their damage will be higher

[shy pecan]

I figured they want to restealth, especially if they have IC available to just get rupture/garotte up

Interesting okay

[balmy condor]

they can IC without stealth

[shy pecan]

Ah, for the empowered garotte

Okok

[balmy condor]

yeh

stealth is just empowered garrote/iron wire

so if you don't need the silence on pull

you just chain

[outer cairn]

yes. so say fight only lasts 3:30. You wouldn't get the chance to sync them up, so use your box and exsang at 3

[shy pecan]

Ah, scent of blood allows for the chaining?

[balmy condor]

no it's just not worth creating downtime

[shy pecan]

True

[balmy condor]

there's nothing that "allows" for chaining

it's just slowing down the key for one guy to get an empowered garrote for the first 15 seconds of a pull

is dumb

[shy pecan]

Haha true

[dreamy gull]

should sin help with adds

like at all

or just focus boss totally

[gusty mirage]

no

you're just on boss

[dreamy gull]

alright

[gusty mirage]

you won't do any significant damage to them

like at all

[dreamy gull]

i guess thats why diurna feels like target dummy

[gusty mirage]

yarp

[dreamy gull]

do you use dm on the raszageth adds

when she knocks you to the side platforms

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't on normal or heroic

just save for first stormsurge shield

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage do I hold symbols for first intermission razageth

@gusty mirage do I hold vanish for wings

[gusty mirage]

you're playing assassination

you liar

[balmy condor]

okay

but do I?

[keen spruce]

stormy dathiels deadge

on to brood mommy

[balmy condor]

stay strong mr shmeep

[pastel onyx]

still pulling stormy

[gusty mirage]

no, sub is outlaw of last expac

cds on cd

[keen spruce]

83 proggers acceptable

[gusty mirage]

what is that icon

next to kurog

[keen spruce]

they made me

;-;

[oak sky]

Hold vanish for THIS

[balmy condor]

great profile pic

[pastel onyx]

Is it normal if I still hate the spider bitch

being on dathea now

literally me on spider

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-cats-flashback-gif-10819307

[balmy condor]

real

[keen spruce]

i leik spoody

[pastel onyx]

how do u make people not randomly put the charges into marks on dather

u literally have a WA that tells u

u just follow what it says

R u on raz whispyr

or already killed

[keen spruce]

that was like

the first 60 pulls

was trying to tell people

not to fuckin dunk 4 marks at once

[balmy condor]

on raz

that's why it says 7/8

[weak isle]

99 gamer

[nocturne current]

Lol m+ is so stacked that with one dungeon I went from 100 -> 75ish lol

[gusty mirage]

yes

[pastel onyx]

[sudden canyon]

socketed AA ring just dropped, but not for me

[tulip kernel]

should i ever be holding shiv for ER charges?

[balmy condor]

no

you never hold either

for anything

[tulip kernel]

pog

[turbid heath]

How accurate is Hekili with our rotation, should I even pay any attention to it at all? Pls don't judge me mythic rogue maestro daddies

[ionic fox]

Is there any numbers for PI vs other classes while hp in our execute range?

[spice spire]

You gotta learn somewhere np

It is and isn’t if that makes sense?

Could tell you to do an extra Mut due to sf type of beat

[keen spruce]

I normally advise that things like hekili have extremely limited value. Maybe if it's your first time picking up a spec and you kind of want a crash course in the gameplay loop and don't want to work it out yourself on a target dummy or something

but any long term use will tend to just hamper your learning curve and improvement

cuz you won't be engaging with the buttons you're pressing

imo

[turbid heath]

Yeah I'm kinda feeling this tbh

Like for the guild I'm in I'm doing enough DPS it seems, but parsing mega low for my iLvl. We're pretty chill and just aim for curve which we have already but I still wanna push my char to it's limits ya know

[slow marsh]

Honestly the best way to do it is just sit on a training dummy for a while

[keen spruce]

I don't really play alts, but when i get bored and fire one up half the fun for me is working out the gameplay loop based on the guides

[slow marsh]

Then go to like lfr

Then normal

Etc

[keen spruce]

I would plug some of your kills into wow analyzer

[turbid heath]

Yeah, old school

[keen spruce]

better to identify where things are going wrong specifically and see if there's a pattern to any mistakes you're makin

[slow marsh]

Then yeah get a log review and go from there

[turbid heath]

I'll have a look at last night's raid

[slow marsh]

What I used to do is legit just log review myself after every raid night

[keen spruce]

updated wowanalyzer is

[magic vine]

personally i can spend a very small amount of time on a training dummy before my mind just wanders. so some of that to hammer out some specific bit that is tripping me up, then just talk a walk though the terros wing of lfr, where you've got no stakes but a variety of fights that you can then feed into a log and check out for issues

[tulip kernel]

whats the best way to sim for m+?

[keen spruce]

dungeon slice

[tulip kernel]

is it accurate

i remember it being eh

[pastel onyx]

it was literally made by rogues

[tulip kernel]

monka

[runic pasture]

I use AMR, I have 100 parses in every m+ simming with their tools, is premium sub though

[drifting cloud]

[pastel onyx]

m+

parses

[drifting cloud]

god I hope thats bait

[runic pasture]

Better gauge than no parses…..

[drifting cloud]

otherwise you deserve to get ripped off for paying for AMR

in 2023

[sudden canyon]

thoughts on shiv into torch, or do yall just hold torch till after shiv, or do yall hold shiv till after torch

[drifting cloud]

last time AMR was remotely useful was like 2016

and thats probably pushing it

[oblique jackal]

im so ready for them to unnerf sin

[runic pasture]

I don’t care what people say, AMR has functionality that others do not, it’s always overlooked but I have 100 logs on Raid and m+ using it, flame all you want lol

[drifting cloud]

link raid logs please

[runic pasture]

Love how there is little to no faith on the internet anymore 😂

[slow marsh]

Hi sick pfp @runic pasture that's all

[drifting cloud]

youre the one talking about them I just ask you to link

you dont have to, but probably shouldnt be talking from some moral highground then

atleast

[runic pasture]

Dude I was just trying to offer a tool which someone asked and I get flamed for speaking the words AMR, I was just trying to back a product I’ve had success with. It’s ok. I’ll stay quiet in the future.

[drifting cloud]

doesnt change the fact amr has been shit for years

@balmy condor thoughts about AMR

[balmy condor]

fuck AMR

dogshit company

dogshit tool

[drifting cloud]

[slow marsh]

What about noxxic

[balmy condor]

arguably better

[runic pasture]

Ok not assassin and not 100 on raid but, that’s AMR simming, it can’t be dog shit.

[slow marsh]

Same diff to me

[grim tangle]

I've literally never heard of anybody looking at m+ parses before

[drifting cloud]

is that lfr or normal

[runic pasture]

Heroic

[slow marsh]

I just want to know what alleged functionality amr has that others don't

[drifting cloud]

well their numbers are made up if you count that s functionality

[runic pasture]

Ease of life mainly, most sim related stuff is@pretty similar

[slow marsh]

That's not functionality is it?

[drifting cloud]

or sorry I think their words were that they use a different/better model than simcraft

[balmy condor]

at one point in like BFA they just decided to straight rip the simc code off github

[slow marsh]

LMAO NO SHOT

[balmy condor]

yeah

[slow marsh]

Dog shit company indeed

[balmy condor]

in legion they like came into discords and told everyone they're so much better than everyone else

and just blatantly advertised their tools

and it was wrong

and then they got called out on it

and released a blog post where they detailed how toxic class discords are

the blowback from that was so big they deleted that blogpost within 2 days

[turbid heath]

see if you are using a tool that the minority use - and you parse 100, does it sim you against those people who use that tool orrrrr?

[balmy condor]

went quiet after that, being trash and all that

eventually they announced a revamp, and people looked at their stuff and realized they just straight copy pasted simc into their engine

but claimed it was AI learning or some buzzword nonsense salad

[runic pasture]

I’ve not used other tools for a while, but it has Best in Bags features, custom sliders or you can set own stat weights.

Has best upgrades to Valor up, most efficient Valor ups etc, it’s just easy, takes me 10 seconds to sim every item I own.

[turbid heath]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278

[slow marsh]

Damn, I guess that just goes to show that no matter how sick your pfp is, you can still be a

[turbid heath]

What do you sim @ when you use simc?

[balmy condor]

they might be fine now, if they kept up copy pasting simc

but holy shit fuck those guys

you gotta be a real scumbag to just piggy back off of the work of actual theorycrafters

[keen spruce]

imagine paying for anything besides a sub

[turbid heath]

groceries, clothing, rent, fuck all that i just need a sub

[grim tangle]

imagine paying for a sub

[slow marsh]

I just upgraded my raidbots from heirloom to epic as compensation

[runic pasture]

If something saves me time I don’t care where their logic is, Simc is open I’m sure they don’t mind lol

[keen spruce]

when i end up in a guild that can finish CE with enough time to do actual sales so i can have gold

then i'll stop paying for my sub

[balmy condor]

I assure you we do

no one on the simc team likes amr

[runic pasture]

Because they make money from it?

[slow marsh]

I mean when you rip someone else's work and make people pay for it

That's scummy to the nth

[balmy condor]

because they insulted us and our work and then ripped it off lmao

[runic pasture]

Then make it private.

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

capitalist man strikes again

[balmy condor]

what do you do for work if you don't mind me asking mark

[slow marsh]

This guy is an actual moron I can't @spice spire help me

[spice spire]

Touch grass

[runic pasture]

I mean, in business someone invents the phone and have all their plans open source, do they then have a right to get annoyed someone copies it and sells it?

[spice spire]

It’s the solution to life’s problems

[magic vine]

set your own stat weights, no wonder you like it

[keen spruce]

yes that absolutely have the right to be annoyed lol

[runic pasture]

You have the option to not have things open source

[balmy condor]

it ain't even the copy and sell it

no one cares that they exist

[runic pasture]

As soon as you make everything visible you are accepting that people will use it in their own way

[balmy condor]

but they actively attacked our work, called it shit

and then insulted all the theorycrafters

all the class discords

and then took their work afterwards

[runic pasture]

But put that aside, your personal grudge, they have a tool that works, not saying they use your logic, I have no idea, it’s way more easy to use than most others. All i was trying to do was post a an option for someone who was asking on here, can’t believe I’ve awoken the dragons just by mentioning this. Lol

[magic vine]

is amr's tool open source?

[runic pasture]

Doubt it if they sell it

[balmy condor]

I have no clue if their logic is still a copy paste of simc or not

all I know is they're a bunch of cunts

and no one knows who their "theorycrafters" are

so you're picking either a sketchy page with questionable morals and a team of asshats that no one can track down

or a reputable open source platform that is supported by every theorycrafter and top player in the world

if you don't care for any of that

more power to you

[magic vine]

because the thing is, open source stuff is basically published under a specific license. simc uses gpl 3.0 to be specific, and that actually does have weight about what you can do with the code if you pull it and put it into something else

[turbid heath]

Marky mark and the funky bunch post the results of your sims with simc and AMR if you dont mind? Are they gonna be the exact same? are you literally just paying for functionality? :S

v confused

[keen spruce]

it don't matter

if he wants to use it he gonna use it

[turbid heath]

i dont wanna be confused im on a train to LDN from Glasgow and I have 4 hours left. I'm legit sat here scrolling through my logs and wowanalyzer like

[balmy condor]

I mean it's his right as a consumer to use whatever he wants to

[runic pasture]

I pay so I can press 1 button and it sims everything I own, I then press 1 button in game and it equips everything and tells me what to enchant it with. It’s easy, simple, anyone can use it. Everything else I’ve used in past is alot more manual

[magic vine]

theres a reason you don't see actual companies directly lifting from open source projects in general. they might take some ideas and then have someone else reimplement it independly, but direct lifting and then selling it as a closed source thing is a great way to actually end up in court if someone involved has the money to get a lawyer on it

[balmy condor]

if he doesn't care that he's using a sketch ass alternative to the widely used solution

then that's what he's gonna do

unlucky

[turbid heath]

v true

[glass rose]

how come rogue feels more squishy now then ever before

[turbid heath]

cloak more

[balmy condor]

would assume skill issue

rogue is giga tanky

[turbid heath]

feint more

drink your juice more

[runic pasture]

Feint is best defensive out there among DPS, has to be

[glass rose]

@balmy condor ok then get a lvl 60 boost then go and try kill the fire elemental to get core and see if it skill issue in the gear it give u

[slow marsh]

[drifting cloud]

what

[tough gorge]

Huh?

[runic pasture]

Confused

[balmy condor]

no shot you just asked me to boost a rogue and kill an elite mob

[turbid heath]

hahahahahaha

[magic vine]

are you comparing rogue to like.. blood dk?

[oak sky]

no class is close to full power in a 1v1 world environment lmao

[drifting cloud]

@oak sky boost a war and get CE in skips guild I dare you

[balmy condor]

"why rogue squishy"
trying to solo a level 70 elite on a boosted 60

[glass rose]

well basically the norm mobs as well mob sneeze on u and u keen over

[oak sky]

i have a 60 warrior already

but i hate that class

[glass rose]

daft ?