assassination

[oak sky]

Lmaooo

[strange python]

Anduin got less cringe when you couldn't murder people who already cleared

[oak sky]

That was like an s4 or end of s3 change

[strange python]

I think it was the post hof tuning?

Idk, season 3 lasted like 2 days

[oak sky]

It was after i killed it pretty sure

[strange python]

Highest tuned tier ever, shortest tier ever. Good idea.

[oak sky]

But we killed jailer after the ce wave nerfs

[strange python]

Tbh I wish halondrus was the end boss and never got nerfed

Fight was super fun

[oak sky]

I mean

It was great

But it wasnt an endboss style fight

[gray crest]

Pretty sure mythic KJ was the hardest boss ever made

[strange python]

Yeah but the rest of tomb wasn't as bad as sepulcher

[gray crest]

True

[strange python]

Halondrus into anduin into rygelon was about 600 pulls

[oak sky]

Into jailer

[strange python]

Well lords was free at least.

[balmy condor]

Pre-nerf uunat kind of a roughie

[oak sky]

Nocco 500 pull hack

[spice spire]

[gray crest]

Difficulty of tomb was concentrated into those last 2. Sepulcher was hard like half way till the end

[strange python]

Also tbh I think I'd rather have halondrus as an end boss than the current trend of intermissions and DPS holding and add phases of end bosses

Raz feels painfully unfun to me.

[oak sky]

Endbosses always have the whole mechanic dump thing

And building phases

[strange python]

Lei shen didn't!

[oak sky]

Ok

So

10 years ago

[strange python]

That boss was gogogo

[oak sky]

The game was different?

Are you serious?

[strange python]

Better 😦

[oak sky]

I cant believe that

[strange python]

Bring back that style of raiding, kill m+, ty

Snapshotting too.

[oak sky]

Have a good take challenge

[strange python]

Make me head of blizzard I'll delete m+ right quick.

[balmy condor]

And the entire playerbase along with it I guess with those takes

[oak sky]

Idk man all im saying is halondrus wouldve had to be different to be an endboss

Its pretty much a perfect late raid boss

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[valid token]

hey guys can anyone help me set up sap out of stealth for pvp?

[brazen zodiac]

#pvp might be able to help u faster also theres a bunch of macros in the pvp faq could be there :o

[valid token]

ty

[neon kindle]

So if i understand this correctly

Sin community, HATES xsang?

[robust maple]

and puzzle box

[spice spire]

False

I’m a PB enjoyer

[robust maple]

yeah i also enjoy not doing anything for 3 seconds channeling

[vestal wren]

i am a BP enjoyer too

[spice spire]

🤨

[neon kindle]

[spice spire]

Unethical powders

[vestal wren]

to a degree, it is not a well designed spell, but the long cooldown now makes it okay in my opinion

[amber niche]

oxi how can i be like u

[brazen zodiac]

i like puzzle ox

and exsang :o

[tawny gust]

Yoo does anyone know if you can first craft 68-70 still?

[spice spire]

Exsang is whatever

[spice spire]

They nerfed it

[tawny gust]

Ah.

It is what it is.

[hollow walrus]

@balmy condor i need help finding a weak aura pls

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1041789945016234074/1077457729754505276/image.png

[unreal bear]

gulag

[granite widget]

can PI only be simmed in advanced sim on raidbots? or are there other modes

[real notch]

quick question, i havent come across a heroic BoE ring from vault, whats the best ring to use 2nd to that? other than the ring from Brood

[unreal bear]

boe ring?

[spice spire]

The rings we want are signet ofmelandrus (court of stars) and the eranog ring

[real notch]

i was thinking Melandrus, okay sweet, ty and raidbots wants brood ring, any idea why it wants that one over the Eranog one? seemed fishy to me lol

[unreal bear]

raw ilvl i guess

[hollow walrus]

external_buffs.power_infusion=x/x in the custom apl box on any of the regular sims. X being interval you want it cast on you in seconds. So external_buffs.power_infusion=0/120 would be at pull and 2 mins in, etc

[loud light]

do you have an activator (like flaring cowl) for the eranog ring equipped? brood ring just has ilvl and stats over it but shouldn't ever win

[granite widget]

oh awesome thank you

[unreal bear]

yeah if you dont have fire dmg coming from cowl (or somewhere else) the eranog ring is kind of pointless outside of ilvl

[spice spire]

If you don’t have cowl equipped diurna’s chosen is less than ideal

But you want cowl

[real notch]

got a guild order for Cowl in right now so ill have it

[icy iron]

omg i need that

[carmine basin]

Is it worth holding envenom when amplifying is not on 10 stacks yet?

[lethal mortar]

aoe shiv stonks up huge?

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[unreal bear]

i might just be terrible but i dont think i've ever paid attention to my amplifying stacks

[limber lion]

Generally the rule is either energy deficit <= 25, Amp Stacks >= 10 or Slice and Dice duration <= 5 seconds.

During Deathmark/Shiv you don't pool at all

[gusty mirage]

why am I getting tagged in here

@gray crest fuck you

[subtle tundra]

Youre cute

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[gray crest]

Oh I think I talked about mythic anduin

[lethal mortar]

does this spec really apply single ruptures at a time in aoe

lol

[outer cairn]

It is our week. Time to shine with AP

[lethal mortar]

[outer cairn]

Lol

[vestal wren]

yes

[dreamy gull]

Do you guys struggle to get invited to 20s as sin

[unreal bear]

no because they think i'm subtlety

[dreamy gull]

I'm curious

[unreal bear]

most of the time when i get declined, it's because their comp can't fit a rogue in it

[outer cairn]

This

[unreal bear]

no bres, no lust

and ranged just gets to ignore mechanics

[dreamy gull]

I did my first m+ yesterday

Applied to a bunch, finally got accepted to a 2

Better than nothing I guess

[unreal bear]

sin is extremely lackluster when you're undergeared for m+

i was doing less than my tank friend for a while

[dreamy gull]

Well

[outer cairn]

You’ll get there. Focus on pathing and timings

[dreamy gull]

Tanks usually have better aoe than sin does tbf

[unreal bear]

sin aoe can go pretty hard, it's just locked behind a cooldown

[dreamy gull]

At least if IC is on cooldown

[unreal bear]

i've had a few pulls where i'm doing 200-300k

but then the uh dk is doing like 500k

[outer cairn]

It will be in small keys. Bigger keys you can typically get it per pack

[lethal mortar]

idk i just hit sec tec and number go high lol

[unreal bear]

in reality, even with our m+ spec you do plenty of boss damage

[dreamy gull]

Sub player

Begone foul demon

[outer cairn]

Yeah. Right dungeon you can slap packs and be top ST

[unreal bear]

im pretty not great at m+, but my overall is usually >70k pretty consistently

sometimes >100k if you get lucky and depending on dungeon

[dreamy gull]

I'm afraid if I don't get a new puzzle box soon I'll lose the muscle memory to use it with exsang dm

[unreal bear]

i thought exsang dm was a dps loss

[dreamy gull]

Exsang before

Not after

[unreal bear]

ohhh

[dreamy gull]

Opener is so complicated tbh

[unreal bear]

i just rarely use exsang tbh

[outer cairn]

Opener is came

Cake

[lethal mortar]

when they invite sin rogues because they think they are sub, it kinda fits the assasination fantasy if you think about it. you're assasinating their key

[outer cairn]

Go hit dummy.

[unreal bear]

if i didnt need it for iron wire, i wouldnt run it if i had a choice

[dreamy gull]

It's a lot more specific than sub for optimal rotation I think

[unreal bear]

sub is fun because i feel like i never run out of combo points

[outer cairn]

It is but I’m still working on building the muscle memory for Subs ST opener with first dance and AoE opener with Tornado.

[dreamy gull]

I have trouble knowing how to land the 7cp rup before exsang when I dont need to use snd

[outer cairn]

Just garrote again and rupture at 6

[dreamy gull]

So just vanish gar gar rup exsang dm box shiv?

[outer cairn]

Are you talking like in the middle of a fight?

[dreamy gull]

Yea

Might be optimal to box before vanish idk

[outer cairn]

Oh. Yeah I mean if you have 0, but since you are using Exsang again you want your bleeds as high as possible to get the most out of it. We clip purposely in the open to do that

Most our timings right now though I don’t even get the third DM so I use Exsang with box by itself since the boss will be dead before I can sync it all again.

Well except sennarth atm. Stupid spider.

[unreal bear]

is that better than holding an extra minute for box?

i might just be confused and not understanding the timeline

[outer cairn]

Hold Exsang and Box for the 4 min DM as long as you won’t lose a cast

[thorny aurora]

Hello, I've seen logs where Whispyr would puzzle box after DM and not right after ER as suggested by the faq? Any insight?

[outer cairn]

He states in the FAQ that before or after doesn’t really matter

Check the trinket part

[novel arrow]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[thorny aurora]

I thought the "otherwise" meant it was worse

Thanks

[unreal bear]

box is 20 seconds, dm is 16 seconds, so you have some wiggle room

[outer cairn]

I.e. if the boss is going to die by 3:30 then you won’t get another DM and you’ve held your Box and Exsang for 30 seconds for no reason.

[unreal bear]

word, makes sense

[outer cairn]

Here to help

[mystic garden]

anyone else know you can shadowstep when you use boon trinket?

i feel like i have been MISSING OUT

[unreal bear]

yah

when a tank runs too far ahead, i've done that to re-position

[mystic garden]

my biggest concern for the trinket has been solved on friggin accident

[unreal bear]

or i use it to lock myself from dathea's cyclone and regret my decision

[mystic garden]

i fat fingered it in frustration

[paper wraith]

what m bosses should i use the kurog trinket on? i finally got it lol

council maybe? kurog for sure, spider bitch?

[unreal bear]

controlled technique?

[paper wraith]

ya#

[vocal oracle]

all of them

[unreal bear]

it's pretty good in cleave in general

[mystic garden]

just a good trink overall

[paper wraith]

better than box/grieftorch?

[unreal bear]

box is always gonna be good

grieftorch is second for st

[vocal oracle]

i run box/cct

but i dont have a torch

[paper wraith]

so basically controlled technique for anything other than pure ST

[unreal bear]

cct is very good for multi-target though, beats out grieftorch unless it's a silly ilvl difference

[paper wraith]

aka teros

[unreal bear]

you might wanna sim it, idk if the haste it gives does something wild for your character

[paper wraith]

true true

[unreal bear]

err attack speed, not haste

[paper wraith]

simming it is always the correct answer i just like to hear other ppls opinions

[unreal bear]

i personally like cct purely because it's (pardon the pun) static

having two on use is sort of annoying

[mystic garden]

very

[sweet dawn]

Is there a macro for exsang/puzzlebox?

[strange python]

Hiyoo

Anyone here not busy and wanna help me get better at sin?

[solid mica]

do we take blindside or ttb with AP in keys?

[strange python]

neither

[limber lion]

ttb always if you play ap, but you probably shouldn't.

[solid mica]

wanted that aoe soothe for raging 😦

[limber lion]

just ask away in here and people will get around to it

[limber lion]

go for it then, take ttb

[limber lion]

/cast exsanguinate
/cast puzzle box

[strange python]

was mostly hoping someone could look over my log and see if they can point out what I can improve on

[limber lion]

:--)

[limber lion]

Wowanalyzer is a good place to start

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[strange python]

Yeah Im looking at it, but im new to it. Not really sure what i should be looking at

ooo, i see a big issue. i've been using exsag with deathmark

[slow marsh]

that'll do it

[strange python]

I always thought making empowered bleeds bleed faster would be good

[strange python]

Do we use Exsang before DM? or just completely separate them

[slow marsh]

yes before

dm is dynamic

so it'll double your exsang bleeds for the full duration

instead of cutting your dm time in half for the same damage

[strange python]

So DM and Immediately exsang?

[slow marsh]

no

exsang then dm

[strange python]

er

yeah that

[slow marsh]

yeah you got it

[strange python]

Exsang then immediately DM? or any delay betwee?

[slow marsh]

immediately dm

[limber lion]

You always follow Exsang up with Deathmark

[strange python]

Gotcha, thank you

[royal lantern]

following deathmark with exsang is way cooler

[strange python]

lol

[royal lantern]

(dont do that pls)

[strange python]

That's what ive been doing cause in my mind, Double bleeds ticking faster makes sense

[sweet dawn]

exsang > DM

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, but you also double the deatmark itself

and half its duration^^

thats why you wanna put bleeds up, exsang them and then dm, now garrote and rupture have exsang on them, but dm is still normal and has its full duration

[strange python]

That makes sense

i'll test it out

I logged a 18 CoS, it said I was getting 84 purple parses. But is the log parse really something to go on?

[gusty mirage]

wcl key parses are not something to even bother looking at tbh

[strange python]

Alright

[outer cairn]

I can't do log reviews, but I can go over abilities and the like

[unreal bear]

in my defense, i had time to put another rupture up

[outer cairn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

was this an exsanguinated rupture

[strange python]

On that list it says greif is top with puzzle, is it only cause of the damage from the use?

ive been using whetstone and puzzle

I have a greif, but its 398. Whereas my whet is 405

[limber lion]

grieftorch is infinitely better than whetstone

[wary ice]

grief also has mainstat vs whets mastery which is generally better, sims will tell you if the ilvl difference is meaningful

[limber lion]

You just have to sim yourself a bunch to find the right equipment for you

but I can already tell you that a 398 guzzler is gonna beat a 405 whetstone

[strange python]

Greif sims 400 dps higher. But the on use is more of a hassle than whet

[wary ice]

i also play with a hunter so its basically a 30s trinket :^)

[limber lion]

there you go

it also has the resetting functionality so it sims quite a bit higher whenever it procs

[strange python]

That

[wary ice]

You can also use the channel to justify greeeding energy a bit

[strange python]

That's fair, but its a huge hassle lol

I'll dump some valor into greif and try it out

[limber lion]

You can't upgrade it with valor

it's a raid item

[strange python]

oof

[echo cargo]

@limber lion sin rogue m+ question

[limber lion]

sup

[echo cargo]

How do you quell having a massive ego when you absolutely shit on every other DPS, even when they theoretically are supposed to clap you in aoe?

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Play with better people

[strange python]

Which slot is best to dump valor into first

[echo cargo]

Fair tbh

[strange python]

Idk what gives the most stat

[royal lantern]

trinkets for puzzle box

[gleaming geyser]

you gloat about it on ravenholdt

[strange python]

my puzzle is maxxed right now

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

im at 2369 io, so I can't get it to 415 yet feels bad

[magic vine]

grief and box are off gcd, so if you hit the button right after another ability you can shave some time off the cast, makes them much easier to fit in

[strange python]

Other than trinkets, which slot would be best to dump valor into first? Weapons arent upgradeable atm

[royal lantern]

tier pieces

[gleaming geyser]

[royal lantern]

chest/shoulder/hands/legs for 415 tier pieces

unless you are lucky and pulla 421 one from the vault

[strange python]

Alright

[royal lantern]

CoS ring is also a valor dump

[strange python]

no 421 tier yet.

[strange python]

I do have a 405 CoS ring

[royal lantern]

after those things? just use it to fill slots

[strange python]

ill go test out my changes, thank you all for tips

[near cradle]

so in the guide it says holding exsang for deathmark is fine but is there a good limit on how many times you want to do that?

trying to see if tis griefing my damage on sennarth which is currently around 8 minute fight so i lose 4 exsang casts

oops other way around

8-9 minute fight 2-3 exsangs 4 deathmarks

so is it potentially worth losing 2 deathmarks over the fight to sync up

[keen spruce]

you don't delay deathmark

you delay exang/puzzle

[near cradle]

this is why i play healer so much more relaxing. well ty guess i've been trolling

[dreamy gull]

It's ok when I play healer I never press like half my buttons cause I forget they exist

[pseudo hamlet]

What build is recommended for Kurog? Standard DTB+2/3Zoldyck?

[dreamy gull]

I assume so

I don't see why youd pick something else

[pseudo hamlet]

Plenty of adds throughout the fight

[unreal bear]

it was not

wasnt running exsang on that parse

[keen spruce]

the small adds get deleted by other classes. iirc just keep bleeds up on the big adds for energy and blast ST

[unreal bear]

your damage makeup is primarily bleeds anyway, so kinda hard to funnel on them anyway

[strange python]

God I hope 'very rare' items don't come back

Or there's a better way to acquire them

[limber lion]

an improved garrote garrote?

[unreal bear]

it was criticizing my envenom

cp usage i guess

[limber lion]

right

[prisma cypress]

they'll fix it in 10.2.5, don't worry

[normal mist]

guild run (but druid) timed CoS 20!

lets gooo

[solid mica]

is icon raidwide if other people have it or is there a range?

[spice spire]

Raidwide now

[strange python]

Same problem as edge/gavel/raz bow. It feels awful to not get it, and doesn't feel that great to finally get it. More a sigh of relief

[storm onyx]

Or make it class specific or something, we lost 2 ppl to loot drama afaik; cause ring/trink...

[strange python]

Deterministic loot seems like the obvious answer but I guess it's a small community that cares about loot from mythic raids

[lusty surge]

Woo 421 icon out of the box

I wonder how mant resets on my 398 torch I'd have to get to make it better than the icon

[ebon notch]

would have to be a lot

lmao

[icy iron]

Yeah u don't delay deathmark, U always use deathmark on 2 minutes, U delay your puzzlebox + Exang till 4 minutes, And use them with deathmark there.

[near cradle]

got it got it

[spice spire]

[icy iron]

❤️

[near cradle]

and is that for every cast possible or is there a time when you don't want to

well i guess if the fight will end soon and u can't delay then just go

but outside of that?

[icy iron]

U do that as much as u can

[near cradle]

kk

[regal sable]

anyone else an arterial enjoyer on raging weeks?

[royal lantern]

[regal sable]

[fallen charm]

have any of you been unable to stealth recently?

[magic vine]

theres some wq areas that are buggy for some reason iirc, try moving out of the area

[opaque sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[restive falcon]

looted 431 diurna ring but it says its a dps loss

[gusty mirage]

[restive falcon]

im still taking it tho cause im playing sub on raz anyway

but even for all specs its a dps loss

[gusty mirage]

lemme check my sin droptimizer

[spice spire]

-0.6% for me

Only piece on diurna that’s a loss

[restive falcon]

imma still take it cause its gonna replace my crafted 418 crit/mast ring that i use for sub instead of my 415socket auto-ring

but tohught it might be better for assass

[gusty mirage]

ye

I figured it had to be the AA ring

[restive falcon]

i still tkae it tho cause its either that or a socket lmao

[tough gorge]

418 pants with bonus like avoidance, take it and convert to tier set or get socket and wait for 424?

421* with bonus*

probably miniscule

[normal mist]

"So lets kill raza normal for a chance at bow + skin"
"ok!"
"how many hunters do we invite?"
"yes!"

[outer cairn]

like syl

[normal mist]

yes xD

[tardy lance]

Can I be lazy and just run the ST build in M+ and still do decent on packs?

[normal mist]

i mean you can

[tardy lance]

or will i get turbo flamed

[normal mist]

your group wont appreciate it tho

[tardy lance]

yeh okay

Thought I could get away w being lazy & just pump on the bosses & look cool

[spice spire]

Tbh doing the st thing is more work

[tardy lance]

Rely purely on Poison bomb

[spice spire]

Because you’re tabbing a lot more

Instead of just pressing a button and getting infinite energy for 20+s

[normal mist]

^

[tardy lance]

When you AoE as ass

should you spam CT?

Or just use it once and spend on envenom?

[normal mist]

That has been a topic of discussion lately

TLDR, you can get away with both situations

mix them up a bit

some envenoms here, some CT spam there

just be sure to never drop CT dot

[hardy gust]

what's the usual sennarth build?

i kinda just wanna play sin tonight

[viscid spear]

GIVE ME NOW

[balmy condor]

single target

every boss is single target

the only exception is council

[hardy gust]

thanks

any tips for kurog? dont normally play sin in vault

just practicing for diurna since its reclears

[balmy condor]

play single target and hit kurog

[hardy gust]

zug zug

[balmy condor]

such is the assassination way

[ebon notch]

have you seen the alternative broodkeeper build?

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[flint tusk]

@ebon notch do it

[ebon notch]

im gonna see if i can get permission to run it next week

gotta get the rank 1

[slow marsh]

its just m+ build going adds right

[brazen zodiac]

pog getting sparks from rares pogg

[slow marsh]

lmao my brother is mad at me cuz i shit on his ilvl parse take

[brazen zodiac]

what was the take

[slow marsh]

that ilvl parse is a good way to judge how competent people are at their spec

[viscid spear]

[spare crow]

who even says that

ilvl means nothing

if we're both 410 and i have 5000 versa and you have perfect stats

you're gonna destroy me

how is that even a question

[drifting cloud]

also false

[slow marsh]

yeah

[spare crow]

?
within ilvl there's info you can't know

like whether you have cowl + eranog ring

or trinket quality

tf u gonna do if i have heroic manic and you have heroic boon
enchants + gems

ilvl means shit

[slow marsh]

just have both

[spare crow]

it's the quality of the equipment that counts

[slow marsh]

but yeah everyone agrees that ilvl parse doesn't matter

except for my brother apparently

[gusty mirage]

you need a new sibling

[spare crow]

i mean

what's his counterargument?

[slow marsh]

its fine I wasn't like trying to win the arguement i was just trying to inform him

so he doesn't get clowned by someone else

but i guess he'll have to learn the hard way

[spice spire]

I offered

[spare crow]

i am genuinely interested

in his point of view though

if you're willing to share

[slow marsh]

i already said it

[spare crow]

sorry i just came

i didn't read previous comments

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

he thinks that if you are high ilvl but get lower ilvl parse then you're shit at your spec

[nocturne lagoon]

@gusty mirage how much % haste if required to deal MAX dps

[gusty mirage]

@nocturne lagoon 69.420%

[spare crow]

ok but how?

[nocturne lagoon]

Thanks !

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

he didn't have an arguement cuz there isn't one

[spare crow]

ah lol

i see

[slow marsh]

he raged and switched discords

[spice spire]

@nocturne lagoon grieftorch check

[spare crow]

guild doesn't give you any loot check

[nocturne lagoon]

LEECHGODX

[spice spire]

God bless papi

[gusty mirage]

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH

[spice spire]

Needed that

My man has 2

[gusty mirage]

justin and I are a combined gain of -400 dps from those grieftorches

INSANE

[spice spire]

It dies tonight!!!!

[nocturne lagoon]

WOW WHAT A TRINKETY

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

20 variations

and that's the best result

[spice spire]

Now swap them

[gusty mirage]

INSANE

[drifting cloud]

over icon?

[gusty mirage]

icon + box is 168 dps less than grief + box for me

[dark moth]

@gusty mirage why are you not playing sin on raz prog?

[gusty mirage]

because you won't let me

[nocturne lagoon]

Thats also for warrior

[gusty mirage]

stabdeeznuts when???

[drifting cloud]

I see that, im just asking what your 2nd slot is since you never unequip puzzle :p

[gusty mirage]

ya its icon

Elgoblinoo is a certified pumper

[drifting cloud]

also wtf you simming for some fake specs you dont play on rasz oxi

hmmmmm

[gusty mirage]

I mean I won't play pbox as sub

stinky

[nocturne lagoon]

WOW

[drifting cloud]

dont worry you getting resets in p3

[brazen zodiac]

incredible

[drifting cloud]

everyone is dieing, rogue is doing the payphone meme

[gusty mirage]

???

you think I'm wasting a gcd on feint?

[nocturne lagoon]

greiftorch > feint

[gusty mirage]

I'm the living embodiment of the warrior E X E C U T E meme

[nocturne lagoon]

[gusty mirage]

@drifting cloud where p3 log

showing you shitting on azor

[spice spire]

Oxi rn

[drifting cloud]

lol

[gusty mirage]

that's gonna be me

[nocturne lagoon]

me on prog

[drifting cloud]

its from rekill

I lost on first kill

[gusty mirage]

thoughts on BM hunter getting free focus from a glyph?

[spice spire]

Grom a real one for that tho

[dark moth]

Whos recruiting Grom next

[spice spire]

U

[dark moth]

oxi would leave the guild

[nocturne lagoon]

can we contain this guy

[spice spire]

Nah grom too based

[gusty mirage]

are you kidding me

jet would have a stroke

[spice spire]

Oxi understands

[gusty mirage]

Oxinak

Jet yells at me for being mean to my fellow raiders

[drifting cloud]

hows that different than now

[nocturne lagoon]

now you are gonna be happy

greiftorch

[dreamy gull]

Buff grieftorch until just having everyone run it and sacrifice somebody every few seconds is the optimal strat

[nocturne lagoon]

[wicked valve]

Does AP work on fort weeks, or is losing DTB just too much to make it worth it?

[stiff geode]

Is there a reason why the bis gems are main haste + crit?

Thought we was all about that crit mastery? 😛

[eager solstice]

!faq

[feral rivet]

Which gems are best depends on your current gear, just trust the sim

[eager solstice]

when to use puzzle box? is that in the faq section?

in terms of opener

[vagrant brook]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[feral rivet]

Its in the faq yes, check the opener-images

[flint ridge]

Do you guys triple garrote on second, third vanish?

[hollow walrus]

okay i made one that does it @balmy condor

https://wago.io/3VcFH1mUx

[ebon notch]

Ok now delete it

[gusty mirage]

delete me

rn

[ebon notch]

[distant mesa]

is there a way to sim all race combos for Assa?

[ebon notch]

Bloodmallet should have nice comparisons

[distant mesa]

didn't know if that was up to date

[ebon notch]

There might be an advanced sim string if you know how to use that in #subtlety-faq

[ebon notch]

If it has tauren then it's up to date

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6bmUPMswwehvPUxJU6HNGr wanting to know how much of a dps loss to go from Belf to troll/orc

[ebon notch]

Minor

Save your money

Only time it was very worth to race change was in SoFO where nelf was worth like 700 DPS for outlaw

[distant mesa]

I 1 trick Assa lol

[earnest remnant]

there is the thing you can copy paste from the sub faq, you just paste it below your simc input in advanced

[ebon notch]

I already said that stealthi

[earnest remnant]

and i told him how to do it

[ebon notch]

Madlad

[restive spire]

does grieftorch in sim assume no one dies

[earnest remnant]

yes

[distant mesa]

?

[ebon notch]

Advanced is a seperate section of the site

You know how they have droptimizer gear compare etc.?

Advanced should be there

[distant mesa]

ah

[ebon notch]

Post the /simc details and then a line below it

Paste the racial string

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4xZaGkHwnr5iHYLg1DjkuV

Orc is 600

wtf

[balmy condor]

huge

open your wallet

[distant mesa]

tahts not enought o validate a race change lol

[balmy condor]

[distant mesa]

i liked the troll casting animatiopns

[ebon notch]

That's no way to flirt

[drifting cloud]

findom

[outer cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[bitter aurora]

i cant tell to easily on loorgs so i figured id ask here, are we saving our 3rd vendetta for 1st shield on m raz or right when you get back?

[balmy condor]

you do 2 deathmarks p1, and then first third shield

[clear plover]

quick question, do we use garrote to fill up CP, like if I have 4CP then I use it or just to apply the dot. And not to worry about overcapping CP with mutilate/Ambush?

[balmy condor]

if garrote isn't in pandemic and you're at 4 you would mut

[clear plover]

only use garrote (not counting on vanish) and rupture on pandemic?

[balmy condor]

yes

they're just dots

you maintain them for the dot

[clear plover]

then why on the opener is there 3-4 cast of rupture?

[bitter aurora]

safe to assume you save exang and box for that too right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[clear plover]

ty, thought it was like a guide a bit dum not to read everything Sadge

[oblique jackal]

anyone play panda rogue?

so clutch

[spare crow]

@balmy condor dad can you choose for me (yes i got tokens to convert chest in tier)

i also have 415 signet of melandrus already and the 421 chest sims better for me since i got a 408, but idk seems pretty rare, while there's many chances for another 421 chest in vault

[balmy condor]

chest is a 408?

[spare crow]

my chest i have atm is 408

vault 421

[balmy condor]

take the signet

and then use a charge on a 415 chest from m+

[spare crow]

👌 ty

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor I had an idea for AP can you tell me if it's cooked or not

[oak sky]

Its daps time

[balmy condor]

sure

[dreamy gull]

How important is diurna dagger

[ebon notch]

What if it had a talent similar to outlaws blade flurry talent that allowed it to inversely scale with targets?

Giving us actual 2/3 target cleave

[nocturne current]

Damn.. 6 iLvl upgrade but... Heroic Boon.

[ebon notch]

It could either increase the on hit damage of shiv or the amp shiv provides

[dreamy gull]

15% drop you need 2 of and the other players are also rolling for and you can only try to get once a week

[ebon notch]

I know it's kinda basic in its concept

But AP is already in the tree

So yeah

[spare crow]

that cape is super bis on sub

heroic boon you're gonna throw it away in no time

cape also good on assa

[nocturne current]

I only get 15 agility tho. I think I will take the boon kek.

[spare crow]

that's super int

but u do u

[nocturne current]

Mine's back's already pretty lit.

I think I rather upgrade Boon from normal to heroic for m+

Back is 200 DPS upgrade, Boon's 1500 : -D

[ebon notch]

I think my idea hurt whispyr physically

[violet jackal]

me

[runic hinge]

Does exsang snapshot puzzle box? Or does it only snapshot haste?

[ebon notch]

Only haste

[runic hinge]

I finally got a puzzle box today

[ebon notch]

Gz

Very big

[runic hinge]

Time to really leave my guild in the dust

[slow marsh]

i said this the other night i said its dumb to me that our fan talent increases damage on 5+ and not the reverse

AP is fine in a vacuum as a talent it's just in a dumb spot. Like AP without IC is just almost never gonna get picked unless it has broken tuning

[flint ridge]

any corrupting rage users in the house?

[oblique jackal]

PANDA GANG

[fallow canopy]

do you guys/gals reckon 147k on m council is good enough? we had some aoe blasters and was kinda mid pack on the meters

[flint ridge]

assass is meant to be midpack in aoe situations imo

[weak horizon]

as sin rogue how dependent is my parse on fight timing?

[somber fractal]

all classes kinda are. as long as you know the fight length you can play around it

or just send stuff

it's all good

[echo cargo]

In case anyone was wondering

Diurna is still the most boring boss ever.

Just checked it, no worries.

[balmy condor]

[dreamy gull]

The egg thing with staff beam is weird

Like I don't understand how somebody would imagine that for a boss mechanic

It's just. Very strange to me

[nocturne current]

Weeks of good luck with the vault gods:

Look at this absolute unit.

[grim jay]

I nearly finished mine aswell

I think I'm missing boots

For some reason

[steel ridge]

Catalyst gives it

[sudden canyon]

with a capstone that gets maximum value at 4 targets. i dont see why blizz would give a talent tree path with a focus on this exact aoe situation and its tunned to sit midpack

[grim jay]

Yeah sooner or later

[steel ridge]

I like the elite set more

The red is just awesome

[grim jay]

Basically on every class

Tbf

Not a huge fan of the sets in general tho

Mage and monk look somewhat cool, else its just whatever

[gusty mirage]

yall are catalyzing off pieces?

[grim jay]

The tuning and specdesign just isnt great for high cleave/low aoe

[grim jay]

Starting this week, yes.

[keen spruce]

catalyze for transmog ofc

[gusty mirage]

y'all are getting drops to catalyze?

[keen spruce]

ofc not

[gusty mirage]

bro if it wasn't for the vault

I'd be like

398 ilvl still

[grim jay]

Cant you just catalyze what you are wearing anyways?

Same

Think I only got cct and 2 setpieces from raid

Some transmog aside

[gusty mirage]

I suppose I could recraft my 418 to crit/mastery

and catalyze the 415 cloak I picked up tonight

[grim jay]

Wdym

😁

[gusty mirage]

I'm playing sub on raz

haste no bueno

haste so no bueno

a 415 crit/mast cloak > 418 cloak w/ haste mastery

dumb spec

[grim jay]

Mastery vers was better for my sub gear on st and equal on aoe

😁

For my back

[gusty mirage]

I'm not running a vers mastery cloak

as assassination

[ionic fox]

When is sin gonna get buffed

[gusty mirage]

10.1

10.1.5

10.2

11.0

pick one

[runic hinge]

Wow all those patches in a row?

[ionic fox]

never xD

thats the answer

[gusty mirage]

also an option

although a more depresso one

OKAY

WE'RE ALMOST THERE BOYS

[oak sky]

bro

my 3 week vault cook

burned

[gusty mirage]

I for sure just item restored 2 items

to catalyze

[grim jay]

Surprisingly its a sidegrade to haste mastery on my last sims

I do have 2 tho

[oak sky]

haste is pretty good

[gusty mirage]

idk how I'm going to get the helmet

lol

[oak sky]

vault

[balmy condor]

vault

[gusty mirage]

socket more important

unlucky

[oak sky]

i mean like

the season should be another few months

[balmy condor]

buddy I ran out of thing to socket

[grim jay]

Cant you just valor one to 415?

[nocturne current]

Wym the helmet?

[gusty mirage]

you also got spooned 4pc in 2 days

[oak sky]

oh yeah 415 counts as mythic now doesnt it

[nocturne current]

I valored one to 415 andcatalysted it 😄

[solar hare]

the shit helm from dathea

[balmy condor]

good excuse 4 weeks after catalyst came out

[gusty mirage]

you think I'mma volunteer to do dathea again?

[solar hare]

[gusty mirage]

some of us had to take heroic tier

to get tier

from vault

[nocturne current]

Just catalyze the helmetto

[gusty mirage]

mr. "we dropped 18 zenith in 2 weeks"

[grim jay]

Jump on the m+2 train

[balmy condor]

skill issue mr oxi

[gusty mirage]

catalyze what helmetto

[nocturne current]

The transmog

[grim jay]

The one you sold a few weeks ago

[gusty mirage]

yes

[nocturne current]

I got some random one from some dungeon and just catalyzed it as I couldn't get helm till Rasz

[gusty mirage]

but what helmet should I tmog

[nocturne current]

But you can get one easy from some random dungeon.

[balmy condor]

item restore a helmet

[gusty mirage]

never dropped any helmets

at all

[balmy condor]

okay well

[gusty mirage]

I only drop bracers

[balmy condor]

keep yourself safe

[gusty mirage]

and cloaks

[grim jay]

Skill issue

[gusty mirage]

unlucky eh

true

[grim jay]

Heads are for chads

Be chad get head

[nocturne current]

I collect mythic stuff like crazy, my bags is all full of mythic trash for this reason

[grim jay]

Or something like that

[gusty mirage]

anyway

I found a way to make pugging keys fun again

it just requires a mythic grieftorch

[oak sky]

weakaura

?

[gusty mirage]

no

you pug

watch the enhance die

[nocturne current]

I can't seem to get lucky with the f Seal tho..

[gusty mirage]

8 times

and do 100k overall

[nocturne current]

I seen it drop many times but never been able to get my hands on it.

[gusty mirage]

thanks to all the free grieftorch resets

[oak sky]

u should play with my mage when i get geared

[grim jay]

Wdym completing CoS with 130% wasnt fun before?

[gusty mirage]

100k smbg overall

grief #2 damage

topkek

[runic hinge]

Week 1 vault I got m+ helm with socket. Ez

[gusty mirage]

I never took helm from vault

cuz cowl

still need to socket my cowl, my bracers, my belt, and my cos ring

then we can worry about tmog

[oak sky]

they should make one class's tier set very rare some tier

[gusty mirage]

they did that to me in season 3 of SL

[runic hinge]

Fashion is the true end game

[oak sky]

how about warlocks

can they make warlock tier very rare

[gusty mirage]

I didn't get 4pc until catalyst opened

[oak sky]

yeah

i either didnt

or it was the week before

[gusty mirage]

we had 4 people on zenith

[oak sky]

last in my raid

[gusty mirage]

and after a month and a half

we had a combined 7pc

1 warrior had 2 pc, I had 2pc, other warrior had 3 pc, other rogue had 0pc

[oak sky]

i think we had 1 monk 1 warrior 2 rogues

also

[gusty mirage]

we were running guild LFRs

to get him tier

[oak sky]

💀

i was so tilted

[gusty mirage]

but at least he got a 421 phial

ig

[oak sky]

we did like 3 mythic bosses before i got tier

[gusty mirage]

his first vault was a 421 phial

[oak sky]

wild

[gusty mirage]

didn't get shit on his rogue for 2 months

swapped warrior

got 4pc in 1 night

[oak sky]

im still not over

never getting the belt transmog

[gusty mirage]

I didn't finish the tmog until s4

if it makes you feel better

[oak sky]

well im talking about the monk one

fuck i think i just bugged my mage

but i did finish the rogue tmog

[gusty mirage]

oh

that was the only belt mog I had

for the longest time

[oak sky]

💀

they gave it to someone else for stat adjustment

and i had been begging

for weeks

oh and then he didnt use the belt

[gusty mirage]

andrew

what do I race change to

I was thinking nelf

[oak sky]

yeah

if ur changing go nelf

[nocturne current]

Nelf's cool, free garrotes.

[gusty mirage]

Nelf’s just cool

[oak sky]

it just looks cooler than like

[gusty mirage]

Mog looks better

Meld is sick

[oak sky]

anything but belf

prob

[nocturne current]

But to be honest my favorite so far for this tier is..

Female Gnome Rogue, man...

So cute.

It's a mini rock rogue.

[oak sky]

ur a predator

lol

[gusty mirage]

My fav is vulpera @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

YES SIR

[nocturne current]

Nah no way man, they look badass not sexy cute, it's a ball of spikes

[gusty mirage]

No other vulpera, just whispyr’s

[karmic crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364

[balmy condor]

she just like me fr

[steel ridge]

yeah ok blizzard, i got 3x 421 heads in vault, can i somehow convert that to 3 blowjobs?

[mortal umbra]

Hi!
I've just picked up a puzzlebox from the vault in 421 and was debating about trying out Assassination (been maining outlaw), but i just dont cant seem to get a grip on the rotation, or when to pop trinkets as assa. Any pointers or tips?

[balmy condor]

maintain everything with a duration, use puzzle box with deathmark and exsang every 4 minutes, cry that you're 5th on boss damage

that's usually how I go about it

[steel ridge]

sounds about right

[jade abyss]

Sounds accurate

[mortal umbra]

#soundsad xD

[steel ridge]

my feral sim. lmao

very close to my assassination

[mortal umbra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6GUhoH1VF37onc7boiyBdD

my rogue sim

[balmy condor]

oh

you only m+

I need to change my statement then

maintain everything with a duration, use puzzle box with deathmark and exsang every 4 minutes, cry that you're 3rd on boss damage

[jade abyss]

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[steel ridge]

feral is rocking 398 ruby whelp

[mortal umbra]

what you mean by m+?

[balmy condor]

well all your gear is dungeon gear

[grim jay]

What does your sin sim for tho

[steel ridge]

83,5 or something

[shrewd night]

Uh.. You know, the critically acclaimed addition to world of warcraft where you replay dungeons, but on a timer, fighting to complete the dungeon to upgrade an item called a keystone.

[grim jay]

Wouldnt call that "very" close tho

[steel ridge]

a dungeon crawler with only dungeon gear

vs. a mythic raid char at 6/8

that is very close.

[mortal umbra]

well my guild is only doing HC atm so im just doing full hc clear and the rest is pushing keys xD

[grim jay]

Whats the ilvl on your feral? With 4p?

[steel ridge]

idk, like 414

[jade abyss]

Imagine we would do damage like a spec that calls "Assassination"

I mean we must be experts to killings things right 🤔

[steel ridge]

but this week is fortified raging, no we can shine with AP multi target rage dispell

[jade abyss]

Pog

[grim jay]

Killing yes, noone ever said something about how long it takes

There are failed assassinations aswell

[steel ridge]

415,38 and i can even upgrade the ruby shell to 415 😄 no idea if thats a good thing tho

[jade abyss]

I dont know the name in english that tiny wood sticks for "cleaning" theeths

[grim jay]

Toothpick

[jade abyss]

Haha so simple xD

[grim jay]

Dunno. But 415 is pretty close to your rogue no ? 😁

[steel ridge]

yeah somewhat, rogue is super unlucky on loot side

its like 417-418

but feral isnt considered a ST expert anymore

but still is marginally behind assassination on comparable gear

[jade abyss]

Dirty paws > poisened dagger

[steel ridge]

and as a bonus it meows

[jade abyss]

True

[grim jay]

I would play feral as an alt maybe if it still had claws of shirvalla

[steel ridge]

+665 dps 😄

[steel ridge]

whats claws of shirvalla?

[agile geode]

lol

[grim jay]

Dunno if I spelled it right

It was a Model for feral if you took a talent in wod

[runic hinge]

It’s ugly af

Imo

[grim jay]

https://external-preview.redd.it/CC6-pXhszGI3LFfxhoVg7XYGLiYag8x_F3u15lmw3Rk.jpg?auto=webp&s=7e5f6751a905366184104edc2bc258c2f8fa241d

[steel ridge]

ah i remember seeing that

nah normal catform is fine

[grim jay]

Looks really boring

Dunno

Bear aswell

Only like the testobear from MT

[jade abyss]

Cats on steroids lol

[grim jay]

Dunno why they remove forms they added at some point anyways

You always have people liking them

Makes sense to just add them like the artifact ones

[jade abyss]

I like that firecat

But everytime i level druid and reach max lvl i dont play him anymore

[steel ridge]

why?

[jade abyss]

Dont like heal feral is a bleed spec like sin boomy is boomy

[grim jay]

Boomy once was fun

Now its pretty boring

But good animations

[jade abyss]

Last time i was playing druid more than for leveling was wotlk and sl for farm xavius shoulders

[steel ridge]

you mean sin is half the bleed spec feral is

[jade abyss]

I mean maybe it would be better when we are a "poison" specc instead of bleeding that fits in better for me as a "assassin"

[steel ridge]

0.5 x 0.5 = 0.25 of a spec 😄

half a bleed spec, half a poison spec

[grim jay]

Said before that I feel like we miss actual big boi poisons like KB

And our capstone we take instead is something that feels like it should be baseline

[polar badge]

fast question do i need to use Deathmark whit Exsanguinate or separate ?

[grim jay]

After

And you delay exsang for deathmark

[polar badge]

thx

[lethal mortar]

when you go into a pack without IC what are the garrote/rupture rules

[subtle tundra]

man i dont even play and now i just got mythic grieftorch

[steel ridge]

roll in a corner and cry

[marble hemlock]

how did you get mythic grieftorch if youre not playing?

[subtle tundra]

i raid log 2hrs a week

[marble hemlock]

so youre playing

[subtle tundra]

i dont actively play

thats not actually playing

[marble hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

all this gear and i aint even pushing

[marble hemlock]

whatcha pushing bud

[jade abyss]

Lol

[subtle tundra]

the bar with plates on it

[shrewd night]

Joining you in 0,3 ilevel

[subtle tundra]

the magic number

[shrewd night]

[thorn crater]

vault gave me mythic diurna shoulders and guild hasnt gone past terros yet

kek

[steel ridge]

lucker

[thorn crater]

i mean i genuinely thought you could not get loot from content you have not cleared

on the same difficulty at least

but im not complaining

[steel ridge]

tierset is different

any mythic slot can contain tierset, but its very rare, i have never seen it in 3 seasons

[thorn crater]

ah i see

[grim jay]

Seen many getting rasz head on first mythic vault actually

Good thing I didnt 😁

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor what did you think of my idea

[balmy condor]

I fell asleep mb, If they make it 8 targets then yeah sounds good to me

At 5 it’s a bit whack

AP being 5 when everything else is 8 just doesn’t make much sense to me

[subtle tundra]

Cause then assa is good at more than 1 thing that it specializes into

And that's unfair

[balmy condor]

So true bestie

[thorn crater]

its fine thats why we have sub

4head

guild cant get past terros, im 418 and there is nothing to do

i can feel the flame flickering

[grim jay]

Schimpf ihn nicht eine Bestie

[grim jay]

The pain

[thorn crater]

sp is 412 and i have a lovely 300ilvl enha cow

gotta get stuff to do XD or imma lose my mind

as soon as the new dota patch is out im goneeeeee

[grim jay]

You might aswell get a new guild tho