assassination

[gusty mirage]

also

make doomblade not ass

thanks in advance blizzard

[magic vine]

well its already +100% if you're on 5 target 🙂

[gusty mirage]

or give me a way to skip doomblade completely

[royal lantern]

make IC not the ultimate bandaid

[gusty mirage]

I've been saying it

put IC where exsang is, and make exsang an aoe bleed flourish in its place

[magic vine]

but ideally you'd figure out a way to give sin cleave without spending 2 capstones on it

watching these druids in mdi, give sin whatever juice they have

[nocturne current]

What about moving crimson to base assassination spell?

[gusty mirage]

an extra 2 months of time to work on a tree?

[gusty mirage]

yea I think CT should be baseline

also find a way to get us another utility poison

so we can get the full lethal dose benefit from our DtB

thanks in advance mr. blizzard

because losing out on 2% damage because you can't apply crippling to a boss is cringe as fuck

[vestal wren]

skilling into aoe def. feels weird w/e what spec you are on

[gusty mirage]

I'm hoping the 10.1 patch notes gives me hope

because the lack of changes we've gotten in 10.0.5 and 10.0.7

is depressing

we can't even get our existing shit to work properly

[royal lantern]

hey hey, we got something in .5

a pvp nerf

[vestal wren]

to be fair, assassination got a new talent and a talent tree update in 10.0.5

it is just, that it wasn't good

[gusty mirage]

any kingsbane enjoyers in chat?

[royal lantern]

the update that made the spec worse

[gusty mirage]

yea don't worry, no one at blizzard enjoyed it either apparently

[vestal wren]

haha exactly my point

[royal lantern]

"yeha, you do excatly the same but also lost build options"

[royal lantern]

insider information?

[gusty mirage]

insider?

my brother

[fallen raven]

i feel like at least up through nighthold you did but maybe i was just bad

[gusty mirage]

DtB was a concern cause it was so strong

we got KB in place of our old capstone (TTB)

to compete with "always playing dtb"

and the solution was to put it on a choice node with dtb?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-brains-calculation-viral-head-gif-26479585

the entire dtb kb thing is still the ultimate galaxybrain moment

from start till now

"yeha, you need multiple 3 point talents cus we cant let you mix DtB with the other capstones, its the ONLY way, no other way possible!!!!"

[gusty mirage]

yeah we might have been able to compete with BM hunter w/ KB + DTB

none of the reasons for the restrictions we were given hold any weight anymore

they could un-do the talent "update"

and give us KB + DTB

and we'd still lose to BM hunters and frost mage

[royal lantern]

yep

like, checking out other class and spec trees just makes me confused

why the rogue tree is so restricted and weird

and why sub and assa spec trees even exist in their current state

[magic vine]

sin is weird to me because based on the tree, deathmark should be the focal point of your build, but its really not

sub is weird to me because the thing that makes the spec function at all is just sort of off to the side in the middle of the tree

[royal lantern]

the assa tree is weird cus it has so many straight up stupid talents and %dmg increases

[gusty mirage]

realz did the best he could with the shitshow he inherited

tbh

[royal lantern]

ye

[gusty mirage]

but all 3 spec trees and our class tree needs so much work

[magic vine]

yea i don't even want to think about what came before

[gusty mirage]

like they make no sense logically

[royal lantern]

like, trust me, im shitting on the trees but i know that realz did the best possible stuff, and was also busy with dh

[magic vine]

rogue feels propped up by having the energy talents from like all the specs from before

[royal lantern]

not shitting on realz, im shitting on blizzard for not giving more time to finetune and now let it just stay

[gusty mirage]

half our class tree is legit just utility we had baseline

[sweet dawn]

Sin just OP baseline, they need to nerf us at a talent build option level, they know if we reached our full potential we'd crash the servers... 100%

[magic vine]

tea and sf and vigor

[royal lantern]

honestly, CLASS trees are a mistake and should go away

thats my hot take

spec tree's? sure

class tree? nah, fuck off

[spice spire]

Nah tree system adds complexity, not the worst thing given the last bit we’ve had

[royal lantern]

litearlly all class trees in the game created painpoints

[gusty mirage]

1min sprint since for fucking ever

[spice spire]

Several people are typing

[gusty mirage]

now we need to talent into it

[royal lantern]

its more like, the stuff they put in the class tree sometimes

[magic vine]

i mean, whats going to happen is that they're going to slowly realize that putting "no choice" things into the trees is bad and dumb, and walk those back over time

[gusty mirage]

also don't forget that elusiveness was nerfed cause at one point we could get both cheat AND elusiveness

and now they're on a choice node

with elusive still nerfed

[royal lantern]

class tree is legit 70% "get your basic utility back xD" and the other 30% "here are some crucial things for your spec to work"

why is seal fate in the class tree when assa litearlly cant be played without it

[gusty mirage]

dance is just off limits for both assassination and sub

because FW does nothing for either spec

[royal lantern]

why is dance in the class tree

[loud light]

I just wish less damage was in the class tree

[royal lantern]

why is stuff balanced around dance now, when dance is unplayable in the class tree

[gusty mirage]

I agree

[loud light]

I'd love it if it was just all utility on the left

[gusty mirage]

and I think they would've had a much better time balancing everything

if they made class trees = utility and qol shit, and spec trees where all the damage is

[royal lantern]

more utility should be baseline

[gusty mirage]

if you think about it

[royal lantern]

like, tricks should not be a class tree thing lol

[gusty mirage]

if the class tree for every class was legit just utility

[fallen raven]

tbh it's very funny that outlaw of all specs is the one playing SD

[gusty mirage]

you wouldn't care if a lot of utility wasn't baseline

cause you'd just pick what you wanted

problem is we have to give up a lot of damage for extra utility

[royal lantern]

because for outlaw FW is good

[gusty mirage]

like extra move speed for stealth would be sick

[royal lantern]

for assa and sub its 2 dead talent points

🙂

[gusty mirage]

but you'd be giving up 1 point of lethality for it as assassination

[magic vine]

honestly just too many points in both trees

[gusty mirage]

and... yeah

[magic vine]

they have to fill the trees with something, and theres not enough util ideas to fill a tree without giving every class everything

[loud light]

somewhere at some point I think they had this idea where it would be a powerful decision to trade damage for extra utility, but it always just feels bad

[gusty mirage]

they coulda just used more of the finesse and defensive conduits we had in SL

[loud light]

while having like a bunch of utility things you want and not enough to get them all is a different sort of pressure than having to give up damage

[gusty mirage]

instead of scattering them around

I personally would love quick decisions back

esp for raz

but like you can't take it as sub

cause you give up too much damage

extra range + reduced CD on step is insanely good

[fallen raven]

yeah, it's just so thematically inconsistent

[gusty mirage]

our class tree is still a first draft tbh

left side = sin, middle = outlaw, right = sub is what I'm guessing the template was

[royal lantern]

not just guesing, its litearlly how its build up

all the first trees had that

priest tree was left holy, middle disc, right shadow as an example

and still is

[magic vine]

yea, except everyone went "oh wow, look all the energy talents those are easily the best"

[feral rivet]

druid is feral > guardian > resto > balance too in class tree

[gusty mirage]

and you're prolly like

its cause we're a triple dps class

[white orchid]

Nice Thierry Henry pic you got there

[gusty mirage]

ty

[white orchid]

I never understand why they didn’t just keep the envenom buff part in the Doomblade talent lol.

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage you know, i think its funny

in past expacs it always was "nobody plays rogue, so they dont give it real attention and its always dead last to get stuff on alpha/beta, and then 0 changes cus the release is around the corner"

and then for DF we where one of the FIRST classes, and then just didnt get any problems fixed and it feels bad again

[white orchid]

I always feel like they are so worried about making rogues “too OP” that whatever they changed would’ve never even made them Op compared to what classes turn into as the xpax progresses

[feral rivet]

Feral got lucky in that regard this time, always used to be like that as well since nobody played it. This time around they got talents first, they were incredibly bad and no communication until alpha was over. Then out of the blue a rework that made it much better (though the class tree still isnt amazing for them either, the spec tree is)

[white orchid]

Feral seeing that mdi play lol

[feral rivet]

Apparently cause the original dev quit and someone that actually understood feral took over

[royal lantern]

i mean, yes

in blizzards eyes, rogue is always 1 step away to become ultra OP in all content

the problem is, classes like mage are a thing

everytime somone complains about broken rogue deffensives, i point at mage

like yeha, feint is stupid sometimes, but you litearlly brought alter time back blizzard

and mirror images as a 45sec duration DR

[white orchid]

That 5% aura nerf we got early on was not warranted lol and even without it we wouldn’t be beating some specs now

[royal lantern]

yes

[gusty mirage]

luckily though this time around

we did get the love

to taste what its like to be strong

and then the balance team beat us like we owed them money

I sense a lot of the changes we don't care for weren't entirely in realz's hands

[white orchid]

I could see that

Yellow on top always calls for a round of Insta nerfs.

[royal lantern]

dont even need to be on top

rogue is ALWAYS OP in the general opinion

friend send me a reddit link where a new player asked what classes tend to be the best for PvE endgame

and 80% of answers where "rogue is always OP in all PvE"

people still tell you that rogue is right now the strongest class in the game

[drifting cosmos]

feral in mdi, has this ever happened before

[gusty mirage]

it has not

[feral rivet]

feral has been bottom tier every season of m+ before now so, unless you count prepatch-s4 SL :p

[white orchid]

Assass was bottom tier m+ at one point as well during SL wasn’t it

[royal lantern]

at one point?

assa is bad or decent at best most for m+ of the time lol

[white orchid]

I was being generous lol

[regal bough]

So, regarding The ST DTB opener W/ Exanguinate. Im trying to compare my opening damage to other rogues of similar ilvl but what im seeing is a lot of the openers are vastly different after you garrote, slice, garrote

I try some of them and i dont land on anima charged cp hardly at all, unlike the one listed

but the opening damage is a lot higher so im just lost lol

[balmy condor]

What’s different

[regal bough]

Potion timing, the first bone spike usage, sometimes its Puzzlebox before Sang/after sang/ after both sang and deathmark both

a lot of people pressing shiv before the first rupture

[balmy condor]

Okay

I should clarify

[regal bough]

im fully aware tht im probably a 50% parse and below player, but im just wondering if there is a reason to shiv earlier or to use pot before death mark that is netting people 120k on an opener as opposed to my 100k

[balmy condor]

Small changes like that don’t actually change anything

Puzzle box can be cast kinda wherever

The shiv moving is probably because sims cast it there because the sims don’t care

Kind of a similar thing with bone spike

Moving a gcd or two around a couple seconds is going to do nothing to your dps as long as you don’t make actual mistakes like not extending rupture for exsang or exsanguinating a Deathmark

[regal bough]

yeah, ive gotten pretty good about not failing that hard lol

Ok, well ill just keep using the suggested opener and then work on getting better at my in between cd's upkeep and maybe i will get a bit closer lol

[balmy condor]

Wownanalyzer will point out like 90% of mistakes

Would suggest that

[drifting cosmos]

one day, sin in mdi

actually, I think sin was in mdi before, legion?

[balmy condor]

Don’t think so

I remember sin being played in a tyrannical tol dagor by one group during bfa

[thorn fjord]

You guys have spoiled me

Went to another class disc today and oh man

[gaunt moat]

what happened 👀

[thorn fjord]

Nothing happened they werent rude or anything

but the info was very much scattered

and cluttered

Also everybody dooms even the fotm specs

[gaunt moat]

In here we've always strived to provide easy access to common question, mainly to avoid having to repeat answering the same question 😂
That was the reasoning when I first wrote the guide
and now each mod has wrote an FAQ with even more details.
i'm surprised not every discord has something like that by now.

[balmy condor]

ah yes, the emotional manipulation has worked and you're back for more consensual degrading

all according to plan

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[balmy condor]

you'll get your turn, don't be pushy

[kind talon]

Can I

[spice spire]

A second, bro?

[balmy condor]

all are welcome

[balmy condor]

there are way more than two bros

[spice spire]

🤨

Ur sussy on a Friday night king

[balmy condor]

oh is it night already

[balmy condor]

time is a construct I choose to not partake in

[silver sail]

when exsanguinate and emprimand both ready to go, is it worth maxing out the normal garrot befor ecasting exsanguinate?

[balmy condor]

you want to max pandemic both garrote and rupture before casting exsanguinate

[mystic zenith]

Is it possible to macro puzzlebox to trigger immediately after a cast?

[balmy condor]

No

[mystic zenith]

and if we're progging sennarth and the fight it like over 6 minutes, i just use exsang/puzzlebox on cd right?

[brazen zodiac]

sennarth

fun boss

[spice spire]

The camera bug

Makes me want to keep myself safe

[oak tangle]

for the most part, you should have garrote up, and be use vanish into garrote. more often than not you'll have more than 6 seconds on garrote when you do this. but if not just double tap garrote when you vanish

[balmy condor]

if you know that you can get 2 synced exsang+deathmark combos off, while also getting a normal exsang off, sure

the value of exsang/box on its own is really really low

so it's typically better to sync them up and take the minor loss missing the normal cast

[dreamy gull]

Sennarth is such a cool boss

[balmy condor]

than it would be to try casting on cooldown and then missing a combo

[dreamy gull]

One of the best bosses I've seen in wow I think

How tf did the tauren shaman take the final boss spot over a giant fucking ice spider with a dynamic fight climbing up a spire

Like?????

[balmy condor]

what

the final boss is a giant purple dragon

[dreamy gull]

I mean of that part of the raid

[balmy condor]

I'm

very confused

people usually do sennarth first because it's easier than kurog

[dreamy gull]

Oh

[balmy condor]

it just makes sense to go there first, kill it, then prog on the next boss

[dreamy gull]

Nvm in dumb I didn't realize you could do the order

I just follow the tank

[spice spire]

Oh the misery

[balmy condor]

also I think lore wise, kurog actually created sennarth

cause kurog was testing with elements or whatever

and decided to make a frost spider

and it got very big

and that's sennarth

[dreamy gull]

Idk any of the lore tbh

[balmy condor]

eranog was a dude that got empowered during the valdrakken storyline

and then terros is kurog rock dude

and council is a bunch of evil people

sennarth is kurog frost spider

then kurog is big experimenter dude

[dreamy gull]

Terros is a pretty cool boss too imo

[balmy condor]

dathea was a part of the council people, who fled and then raszageth empowered her

and then broodkeeper is just egg person

and raszageth is big bad villain

[lucid mirage]

Now do CN

[dreamy gull]

I've had enough of daddy denathrius from hearthstone thanks

[brazen zodiac]

big red egg give him big red powa

[dreamy gull]

Presumably as more content is released we'll fight the other released dragons right

[balmy condor]

shriekwing big bat cause anima yummy
huntsman is ye olde groundkeeper person
hungering is big devourer that want more anima
inerva is anima controller
council is just aristocrats being dumb
sludgefist big guard duder that punch things
stone legion generals are big scary general dudes that control gargoyles
big daddy d is evil jailer boy hoarding all the anima

[lucid mirage]

Fun. I'll refrain for asking for more

[dreamy gull]

And maybe murozond

...

Idk if they have enough time to bring the murozond conflict to a head in this expansion though

They might wait 1-2

[kind talon]

@balmy condor SoD

?

[oak sky]

Torghast guard

Eye of the jailer watching the maw

Sylvanas valkyrie girls

Literally a remnant of nerzul

Guy who tortures garrosh

Idk painsmith lore

Guardian zm

Guy who went insane in korthia

Literally kt

Literally mommy

[balmy condor]

stupid dog
evil eyeball
sylvanas simps
garrosh BDSM
some dumb crown or whatever idk there's no real lore reason why he's here
balls in my face
sepulcher PoV
THE HOLE OPENS
kt electric boogaloo
tree revenge

[oak sky]

Door opens 🤓

[analog glade]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[summer tinsel]

I mean if you really find my 3 questions and attitude so frustrating , you Can just ignore my message/block me or even remove me from discord. Whatever high horse u guys are on it’s not how u speak to others while trying to maintain some “good figure” 😂🤌🏻

[gusty mirage]

nice, responding to a message from literally 17 days ago

[oak sky]

😂 🤌🏻

[gusty mirage]

can't imagine why anyone would possibly find your attitude so frustrating

genuinely shocking if I may say

[balmy condor]

your questions themselves aren't frustrating, but you get out what you put in. If you don't familiarize yourself with the content of the pins/guides/faq's, and then ask questions expecting an answer that is in those guides, you'll get some snark back. That's just human interaction honestly. If you don't put in enough effort to check a guide for the answer first, you should expect the person answering to put in the same amount of low-effort. We're just rogue players chatting about rogue stuff, not a help desk or google/guide stand in. That's not why we use our free time, unpaid, to sit in here and make all the content that you choose not to consume :P

[summer tinsel]

Ofc I answer when I see it😉?

[gusty mirage]

Sorry I assumed with your grand gesture of brilliance you would be smart enough to realize no one involved in that original conversation still cared, except for you apparently. Nearly 3 weeks later

[summer tinsel]

The answer itself wasn’t provocative it’s the add that’s it’s truly mind blowing to him that I cannot figure it out myself

It’s just piss and u know it

[summer tinsel]

Mate u obviously do

[gusty mirage]

I wasn't part of that original conversation

Try again, your majesty

[summer tinsel]

Oh no you weren’t but you sure is now 😂

[balmy condor]

I mean

it is what it is

[gusty mirage]

Oh yeah, I for sure "is now" part of that conversation from 3 weeks ago

[drifting cloud]

so true bestie

[summer tinsel]

Mate you are just as salty as he is

[balmy condor]

ask common knowledge questions, get an answer slightly annoyed that you didn't check faq's first

be like that

[summer tinsel]

Wasn’t intentional

[gusty mirage]

I've had plenty of potassium and h2o today, I do appreciate your concern about my sodium intake though

[balmy condor]

the alternative would be to entirely ignore your question

and then you'd be mad that no one answered you

[gusty mirage]

god I was a visionary, eh?

[balmy condor]

lose lose situation

[summer tinsel]

Not really

But whatever you already seen all scenarios in your head

Pleasure trying out assasination rogue 😎

[balmy condor]

I've seen 4 scenarios:

1. The question gets answered with some mild irritation -> this is what happened
2. The question gets answered without some mild irritation -> doing this 50 times a day for months on end will eventually drive the person insane
3. The question doesn't get answered -> why did you ignore my question
4. The question doesn't get answered -> you don't bother asking again and never find the answer

[summer tinsel]

You can make me look bad all you want, I tried to read up on a spec I had never touched and tried a lot of builds read a lot of articles on assa and got confused why kings and was mentioned a lot but not in build

[balmy condor]

is there something else

[summer tinsel]

It’s whatever I’m the dumb new player 😁

[earnest remnant]

a very prominent human being if i say so my self

[balmy condor]

no you're just a new player that didn't read the guides, and that's fine

you just gotta accept that people aren't going to be entirely pleased pointing out that the info is in the guide

it's nothing personal against you

or what you did

or what you said

[summer tinsel]

Sure made it sound so!

[balmy condor]

that's your interpretation

[summer tinsel]

XD

[balmy condor]

after you got defensive about it, sure it went there

[summer tinsel]

Sure thing

[balmy condor]

but the entire thing that escalated it was having to answer an faq question, them getting irritated that it's an faq question for the 20th time in the day, and you getting defensive and taking it personally

just be like that

sorry it happened

[summer tinsel]

Nah if you don’t read that stuff as personal it’s with u guys not me

Not gonna say more still think it’s bullshit

[drifting cloud]

let us know again in 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

you're free to feel whatever way you want to and have your opinion

hopefully you know where to check for info now though!

that way you don't have to have an experience like that again

[summer tinsel]

Nah mate it’s just human interaction right 😂😂

You guys living behind a screen ❤️

[balmy condor]

not entirely sure what you're trying to say

but sure yeah

agree

it's human interaction, and we are indeed interacting from behind a screen

that's how the internet works

[summer tinsel]

Referring to your initial comment that I should eat whatever u think is ok to behave

Yes I mean you should try your logic in the real world and you would change real quick but I also see I am stretching this bit too far now.

Tldr go touch some grass

[balmy condor]

I work in retail

[summer tinsel]

Explains!

[balmy condor]

people walk in and go "what are your prices" and the screen with the prices is right in front of them

and I point at the screen

and they go "oh sorry"

and that's the end of it

been working fine so far

[summer tinsel]

Mate I wish you the best

Enjoy

[balmy condor]

that's very kind of you

thank you

I hope you have a wonderful day

[feral rivet]

Whispyr too kind

[spice spire]

I had it prepped

[celest ruin]

damn assa on academy is

[oak tangle]

dude there is 27,000 people online in this discord, if you took 2 seconds to read the guide or to search the channel for what you asked, we could spend our time posting more memes rather than answering the same question for the 1000th time

[balmy condor]

whats your favorite pizza topping

[oak tangle]

pineapple

[balmy condor]

fuck you banned

[spice spire]

Nah based

Based on something idiotic

But based

[balmy condor]

[oak tangle]

tomato sauce goes hard tho

does it count as topping

[jade abyss]

I wish my customers would be so friendly o.o

[balmy condor]

who let this man cook

[jade abyss]

Jesus christ...

[balmy condor]

I've had to call the cops to escort drunks out of the building before :)

and I had to like break-up fights and stuff

there's obviously bad days

but most people are understanding

[jade abyss]

I work in a bottle o? My customers are often alcoholics

But they are mostly the friendly ones x)

[balmy condor]

haha

[jade abyss]

Germans and there beer sometimes difficult

[balmy condor]

just start serving beer in 0.25s instead of 0.5s

slow em down a little bit

[jade abyss]

0,33 and 0,5 are common

[balmy condor]

0.33s too big

pour a hefe into a wine glass

and see what they say

[jade abyss]

They only accept 0,25 on "heineken"

[balmy condor]

for april fools one of the biergarten around my family does like an opposite day

they serve weinschorle in 0.5

and bier in 0.25

it's pretty funny

[jade abyss]

In my opinion 0,33 is the perfect size. Its not getting warm when you lost yourself in a conversation like a 0,5 one

Its empty before it happens

Weinschorle shrug

[balmy condor]

my grandpa used to love weinschorle

[jade abyss]

But its better than oettinger

Idk much about beer in the us bur most people they i know said it tastes like pee

[balmy condor]

it's like water here yeah

[jade abyss]

Water with alcohol

[balmy condor]

and americans hate foam

that one took me a while

cause I learned how to pour beer in germany

and then I had to step in and bartend for a show we had

and I was just pouring and people were staring at me

like why does my beer have so much foam on top

and I'm like wdym, I thought I put less than usual

when you order a beer in america

this is what you get

its super weird

[earnest remnant]

as a guy who grew up in Scandinavia, that right there needs more foam

[balmy condor]

yeah

as far as I know, it's a purely american thing

[jade abyss]

Look like ice tea

I was think "what is foam" and than you send that picture :D

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[jade abyss]

But your guys in the us have taco bell ... im jealous about that

[balmy condor]

Taco Bell is very good

[jade abyss]

I believe that

[oak tangle]

in australia you just drink beer cause it gets you drunk

get a few in and the head doesn't matter

but it's also more common practice to buy a jug and pour your own

[jade abyss]

I know only "bundaberg" from australia but this is alc free gingerbeer

[kind talon]

bundaberg is so good

[oak tangle]

if you find it, i reccommend their sarsaparilla

[jade abyss]

Sounds like high percentage alcohol ^^

[oak tangle]

nah no alc, i think it's lik american root beer

[kind talon]

i will look for it

or maybe get some on amazon

[jade abyss]

I guess most people are knowing "Krombacher" from germany x)

[kind talon]

cheesy gordita crunch, crunch wrap supreme, baja blast, fucking dorito tacos

W fast food

[oak tangle]

the one thing i know about american fast food from my US friends, is that most of it is crap quality. and also they don't call chicken burgers burgers, but sandwhiches

[jade abyss]

"Think on pulp fiction"

[balmy condor]

Popeyes biscuits

[oak tangle]

zinger bacon and cheese

[balmy condor]

Yep, chicken sandwich

[jade abyss]

Looks so good on pictures but when you get served that it looks always like shit

[oak tangle]

it's not so bad over here, we use local chicken

here's a more accurate pic

[jade abyss]

Yeah perfect one

I guess the popular fast food here in ger is kebab

Kebabstores are everywhere here x)

[oak tangle]

haha same here

also you guys need to be introduced to chicken salt

[balmy condor]

Brudi kommt zum Besuch aus der Turkei, gehen wir halt mal Döner essen

[marble hemlock]

So, never?

Cause I'm always an old grump

[balmy condor]

[jade abyss]

Das klingt so weird... ich denke in der Türkei hat er genug von xD

I would say in germany it is kebabstore > pizza > anything else

[vestal wren]

isn't mcdonalds still the go-to usually

[marble hemlock]

only after 2am

when nothing else has open

[jade abyss]

I wasnt there since starting from the pandemic. Tastes like old shoes there

Specially when you go in there once per week bcs after the magic the gathering evening you and the bois getting hungry xD

[vestal wren]

also depending on where in germany, currywurst might be a quite popular thing too

[jade abyss]

Currywurst pog

[balmy condor]

Currywurst big pog

[scenic kelp]

Taxi Teller pog

[jade abyss]

Currywurst with kebab?

Or what is a taxi teller? ^^

Bratwurst mit Sauerkraut beste kappa

[vestal wren]

google says it is a variation of currywurst

[rocky ruin]

A taxi teller is currywurst with fries and gyros

[little light]

damn

[jade abyss]

Gyros.. the only good greek here closed...

[stuck knoll]

Who even are you and why would you ping me at 6am on a Saturday

[onyx crane]

is the razageth trinket bad?

[balmy condor]

yeah it's not great

[onyx crane]

I got it from last weeks weekly on hc /shrug

dinged a week ago so I guess it's fine till i get a proper one , seems very ST

[keen spruce]

that was quite the adventure going back through replies to feb 1st

[summer tinsel]

just replied to your shit talk last time you pinged me your highness

[stuck knoll]

You’re not worth the time gl with your day dude I hope it gets better

[summer tinsel]

XD why reply then? u guys act like you are something

have fun

[stuck knoll]

[grim jay]

isnt everyone something

as long as you exist you gotta be something in some way

[balmy condor]

I don't exist

[marble hemlock]

Can confirm

Whispyr is the spirit of RH manifest

[frozen jasper]

Is whispering+Boon Best trinket combi for m+? Or is another comb More practical?

[balmy condor]

whispering + boon is pretty much as good as it gets

you can argue for like a mythic grieftorch or something over whispering

or a puzzle box or something

but it's more involved than just "it's better"

[frozen jasper]

Even without extra stats from whispering from other party members? Isnt it kinda like a better Version of the crit hov trinket?

[balmy condor]

correct

[frozen jasper]

And boon is somewhat mandatory and the other slot is More or less replacable with other strong stuff is what i am getting out of this?

[balmy condor]

yep

boon is crazy bonkers

and you're a rogue, so you can actually run it without dying

[subtle tundra]

requires a few brain cells though

which many people cant afford wasting on a trinket

[frozen jasper]

Even if it is only a hc boon?

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean it's less good obviously

but it's still crazy

it's uncapped aoe

[frozen jasper]

Cool! Thanks

[grim jay]

only an atheist would say that you dont exist

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[grim jay]

[green juniper]

Guys what ilvl terros and spider wants

[balmy condor]

what

[green juniper]

Like “considered” min ilvl to face those big guys

[balmy condor]

uh

people don't really think that way

that's not really a thing

usually good practice to have more than the ilvl of the difficulty below it I guess

[oak tangle]

are there addons that show what spec i am when i apply for keys?

[balmy condor]

no

[strange python]

Those big guys

[ebon notch]

have you slept yet??

[green juniper]

True that

[royal lantern]

whisp doesnt sleep

[grim jay]

whispyr is also known as vampyr

[balmy condor]

No

[ebon notch]

sleep fam

[gusty mirage]

No u

[ebon notch]

i set my alarm to server time

which is an hour ahead of irl time

so i was late for keys

😦

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

Late for keys

[balmy condor]

No?

[ebon notch]

ok?

sleep is for the weak

[gusty mirage]

You might be “late for keys”

Wouldn’t wanna get written up by your key group

[balmy condor]

Whatcha pushin bud

Pushing sleep?

Get pushed out of bed

Fucking dogshit sleeper

[gusty mirage]

No I’m comfy rn

[marble hemlock]

if you wanna do it on the floor instead thats fine by me

[thorny pond]

Oxi is rich

He doesn't do "floors"

[gusty mirage]

I’m rich?

That’s news to me

[balmy condor]

You’re rich in your soul

[gusty mirage]

Oh god

[balmy condor]

A rich personality

[gusty mirage]

I’m broker than I thought

[balmy condor]

You’re ginger?

[gusty mirage]

No but I got gray pubes

Does that count

[ebon notch]

[ebon notch]

already?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah wanna see them?

[ebon notch]

sure

[gusty mirage]

Fuck

I wasn’t expecting that

[ebon notch]

dingus

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/superbad-run-away-run-evan-gif-26510373

[verbal mantle]

||you opened it means you're cute haha!||

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

Oxi is the richest man I know

Friends

Love

A heart of adventure

[green juniper]

so does some ppl play AP+IC on eranog?

[royal lantern]

||no u ||

[thorny pond]

Why?

Just go either regular CT or single target

[green juniper]

Idk thats why I heard to get more % on their damage?

[thorny pond]

from the good ol WCL

[green juniper]

[thorny pond]

If your group for some reason can't adds, you can go like CT but I wouldn't recommend AP/IC. At that point, just play sub

[green juniper]

true I gotta learn sub

[thorny pond]

You don't have to. I just can't in good faith be like "yea, sin aoe dog" when either A) Someone else on your team is better suited for aoe or B)Rogue has other specs that can do it with less investment

[balmy condor]

1.1% ap

[trail tree]

Ap viable talent!!

[balmy condor]

There are 19000 members with the Assassination role

Statistically that means almost 200 of you play AP on eranog

Who are you people

[steel ridge]

absolutely degenerate

[trail tree]

thats a war crime playing ap on eranog

its just a warcrime to play ap on anything but council

[thorny pond]

AP is a war crime

[velvet ridge]

gotta kill the adds some how

[trail tree]

yeah by letting other plebs do that stuff

we just hit boss

[oak tangle]

how many adds have not even spawned, due to all the boss damage that assassins have done

[thorny pond]

3

[green juniper]

*at least

[spice spire]

Me

(I have not)

[spare crow]

I admit I'm an AP enjoyer (on council)

[gusty mirage]

you know what

I'm doing it tuesday

I'll show all of you

[honest jackal]

can anyone help me out, Im new here. Old returning player trying to relearn my class to Hardcore raid again. Did 72k on Heroic Terros last night but my rotation still feels off.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LhFY6x4GvXVaWZHJ#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=20

[balmy condor]

stop holding shiv and er

also you're wasting hella energy on thistle tea

[honest jackal]

yeah thistle tea is my weak link, my timing needs to get much better

and no shivs?

[balmy condor]

you missed 3 shiv casts

[honest jackal]

ohhh i get what youre saying now

any advice for the thistle teas? only use when low energy and space out during the fight better?

[balmy condor]

yeah

you only cast it in opener to get it on cooldown

otherwise you use it for 100 energy

just gotta get used to waiting till you full starve before hitting it

[honest jackal]

yeah, im not really sure why ive been using them so close together. Ive even had some energy regen issues in the middle of the fight, probably due to that.

in my gear, what should I theoretically be pulling? I sim just over 74k but i feel like i couldve possibly done better than that

[thorny pond]

Why do you feel you’d do more than your sim?

[steel ridge]

i am gonna say 74k

😄

[honest jackal]

my rotation was shit last night, even had garrote fall off twice I believe

[balmy condor]

I mean

probably could've beaten your sim given it was a 4:30 kill

[thorny pond]

You also had a shit ton of torch resets

[balmy condor]

timings don't get that much better

but yeh

not much you can do really

406 is kinda garbo

you're like 10k down from a vast majority of mythic raiders atm

[thorny pond]

Sin doesn’t have secrit techs to abuse for bigger dam

[honest jackal]

hey hey Im trying haha

[balmy condor]

that's not something you can just out-skill

[steel ridge]

you are not even in the same ballpark

gear does matter

[honest jackal]

sounds like ive got a long way to go before i mythic raid then haha

[steel ridge]

you can 100% mythic raid

but not hope for 99 parses 😄

[honest jackal]

time to run those mythic pluses to get some more gear haha

thank you guys for checking out my logs and giving me feedback btw!

[steel ridge]

gearing is insanely easy this time

my alt is 415 without having done a single mythic boss

(and only 7 hc bosses in total)

[grim jay]

depends on if you get into m+ groups

😄

[honest jackal]

^^ this is the issue lol

not too many like taking a sin in mythic +

[steel ridge]

16s are enough to get essentially 5+ 418 items

[grim jay]

people on 16s are pretty picky

its around the keylevel where people think they are good

😄

[honest jackal]

I need to find a guild for raiding and mythic +s asap

haha the 16-18 range and +2s

hardest to get into rn

lmfao

[steel ridge]

rogue shouldnt have issues getting into 16s

all those mdi wannabes wanna do the SKIPS

[honest jackal]

lol half the groups ive been in dont even make it to said skips

[steel ridge]

skips are somewhat useless this season ngl

you are better of not doing any in most groups, as usual

[outer cairn]

I’m at 2500 and just want to do 20s for vault. Finding it hard to even get into pugs.

No desire to really push since the last time I pushed to 3k for damn conduits they basically made it irrelevant in S4 lol

[steel ridge]

well if you open up a 20, theres like a gazillion applications with 2700

so why invite a 2500?=

[honest jackal]

and thats why i shouldnt of waited to gear up and push keys with my friend :/

and agreed Nerazar, 50% of the groups I do it with will end up pulling what we are skipping anyway

low keys are wild most of the time lol

[proper tapir]

I'm in the same boat; after I hit 2.5k I lost all motivation to push higher. I'm just in 20s for vault and even after 2 slots I'm chill since I'm just going to end up getting tokens for a gem slot because luck (or lack thereof).

[oak tangle]

valor farming done, now to pray for vault rngeesus

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kXL6QrKWHxXREagjSk54Rn

[neon kindle]

I've been picky with my keys when i make the group specifically because i feel like thats how you should be when its your key. You got the whole dungeon Q at ur fingertips. If u want xp imo u should be picky with your key so u can get some

Not you specifically, but i mean in general

Never gona time alot of keys so other people pick you up gambling on people with no xp i feel

[honest jackal]

sorry hazmat team showed up at my apt complex O.O

but yeah I only get people who have timed before on the level Im running

but with carries, sometimes you get unlucky

[grim jay]

doesnt change the point tho

😄

aside from that, some people are needlessly picky tho

even if they wait ages with that

[vestal wren]

opinions change rly depending on who you ask

mythic plus meta is mostly decided by top runners, mdi and the great push

pugging on rogue is usually easy given that we have a lot of rogue otps that always push high keys

i don't think people are super picky, it is just too easy to just take what is meta

[thorn fjord]

Just never join a pug specced sin… gotta wait till the countdown to swap

🤣

[grim jay]

thats actually not bad if you know you will perform tho

[vestal wren]

if you open a key and have 80 people apply, why would you choose the 2.2k assassination rogue if you can pick the 2.8k subtlety/outlaw rogue

[grim jay]

else its kinda.... 😄

[thorn fjord]

It’s not about you it’s about the perception the pugs have

[vestal wren]

ofc you don't rly know spec in the finder, so i think the example was bad

[grim jay]

no I mean if you trick them into you using a worse spec then you should atleast perform 😄

[vestal wren]

more like "why would you choose the 2.2k sv hunter, if you can have the 2.8k rogue"

even top key runners get declined a lot, and this when we are meta

[thorn fjord]

I think this is the major issue with pugging… you’ll get 30 applicants so obviously you’re going to take the higher io IL person

Yeah

[vestal wren]

so i would personally just try to either make the key myself, run with guild or just apply and cba if i get declined

i actually think a soloq like system would be nice for keys

[thorn fjord]

Hosting your own key can be kind of rough too tho

[thorn fjord]

Naaah then you’d get qued with trash constantly

That would be toxic

I think blizzard is pushing more towards the guild grouping more

[vestal wren]

you would time keys more consistently because the rating system would grow if you do

[thorn fjord]

With what they did to orofessions and them wanting a more social interaction

It kind of makes sense

[vestal wren]

kind of like solo shuffle in arenas

[thorn fjord]

But then you could get hard stuck… kinda like league MMR when you start off places low

[vestal wren]

it is not "i get random bad players every game"

[pure moth]

Hopefully not. Guild keys are worse than pugging half the time. Guildies constantly throw keys because they troll if it isnt their key.

[thorn fjord]

I haven’t played a lot of solo shuffle

[thorn fjord]

Sounds toxic lol

[frosty rover]

hi guys, i thought someone said its easy to gear up now, but how long it takes? im about to start playing, but i dont want feel like trash for month long. Which amount of valor i can farm weekly?

[vestal wren]

yes, but even in league of legends being stuck is mostly a state of mind or gameplay issue

[thorn fjord]

Valor cap was@removed

[thorn fjord]

Also true

[storm onyx]

A guildie hit 415 ilvl in 10 days

with new character

[pure moth]

You aint wrong. Right now we have people that only want to run 22/23 cuz thats all that benefits them and they won't run lower. The same people are running someone's alts to 21s lol. Guild keys are toxic

[vestal wren]

you need to figure out who wants to time/push keys and group with them

[thorn fjord]

Can’t say mine has the same issue… we mostly help each other out and make sure everyone has atleast 1 20 down for the week

[frosty rover]

with a lot of help from guild or like alone but as a good player?
ty for answering tho

[storm onyx]

Both, he farmed M+s with pug and guild and did normal+heroic raid clears, 2 cycles

[grim jay]

and prolly crafted stuff with the chaos/gold of his main

so 3 things a new player cant do

😄

[storm onyx]

He hasnt logged on last 3 days tho, guess still sleeping

M+ nets chaos

he really farmed

[grim jay]

ye but way too slow for that many sparks

😄

[storm onyx]

Painfully doable

[pure moth]

I do get atleast 4 20s. Pugging though lol

[near magnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[empty tangle]

what stats should i get for my lariat?

[echo heath]

Crit/mastery

[empty tangle]

thanks

[dark token]

I've geared solo in several seasons from 0 to mythic ilvl in like 3 weeks, even easier now with crafting op

So I could see it

Had to buy one heroic raid boost and push my own key to 20 but yeah

[magic vine]

buying a heroic raid is uh, a pretty big part lol

i will agree that if you'll need to run your own keys and you can shave a lot of time there

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean if you have to buy a boost(for aotc) woudnt it be easier just to find any bigger guild join and then do the one heroic social run they are doing?

[glass junco]

Can I ask something? Have we gotten any explanation as to what exactly was the purpose of the talents changes in 10.0.5? Like it doesnt make any sense to me, it was a straight up removal of choices

[balmy condor]

We have not gotten an explanation, no

[glass junco]

So we just got griefed for no real reason? 😛

[dark token]

Not really

Cost like 300k and I got 1 piece of loot

It's mostly for the curve achieve quick so I can reclear easier

That's not necessary if you form your own raid

Much easier than joining a pug raid

But I cba since I had some gold

[dense seal]

i actually like the talent change more than before

[magic vine]

yea a new player doesn't have 300k, and it lets you get into pugs way easier

you're definitely underestimating how much time that saved you

[willow tendon]

I'm new and here I am celebrating I'm almost at 50k lmao using 300k on a heroic raid sounds not viable for me

[steel ridge]

last sunday 2 guys in our raid crossgambled 999k

thats where the script capped out

[steady anchor]

I am so lost in how to improve my dps parses on assa... https://wowanalyzer.com/report/WxTAFMh3VwQqtCDJ/2-Heroic+Eranog+-+Kill+(2:40)/Zianu/standard/statistics I have this log for some knowledge, if someone wanna help.

[steel ridge]

yeah not sure you use shiv enough

[steady anchor]

Can that really be the reason for 40000 less dps?

[royal lantern]

eh, not 40000, but its something

[steel ridge]

wdym 40k?

its hc eranog, if your guild cannot onephase it, you aint gonna parse high

[steel ridge]

yeah well, better guilds kill eranog in like 90 seconds or something

[royal lantern]

can confirm

[steady anchor]

Ahhh okay

[royal lantern]

all eranog logs past week3 are bad cus we dont 1phase ^^

[steady anchor]

Well in general my parses are really low

like 16% on ilvl%

[steel ridge]

our fastest eranog kill was 1:28 and thats probably not even fast

[steady anchor]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/WxTAFMh3VwQqtCDJ/6-Heroic+Terros+-+Kill+(3:45)/Zianu/standard This is my terros

Same problem

[willow tendon]

Well I may be new but unless I suck at reading, your first shiv was at 30 seconds and your first deathmark has barely any or 0 garrote in it

So maybe that mistakes repeats itself a lot

[royal lantern]

we are at a point in the tier where killtimers are like 50% of your parse

[steel ridge]

especially on puzzlebox sin, killtime makes or breaks your dps

[steady anchor]

Yeah I should dm first and then vanish + garrote correct?

[royal lantern]

nah, vanish garrote and then dm

[willow tendon]

The opposite

[steady anchor]

Oh

Okay

[willow tendon]

cuz you want the IG to double with the deathmark

[steel ridge]

first of all, fuck exsang

sorry, this had to be said

[steady anchor]

you have a better talent tree?

[royal lantern]

i rather dont fuck that icky ability

[willow tendon]

[royal lantern]

no, everyone just hates exsang

lmao

[steel ridge]

for that specific kill timer, you wasted exsang

you could have held dm

[royal lantern]

but we are forced to take it on litearlly every single content

[steel ridge]

are we?

i dont play exsang at all

[royal lantern]

[steady anchor]

So I should hold dm for exh?

[steel ridge]

depending on kill timer

not everytime

but a 3:30 killtimer is perfect to delay deathmark

[royal lantern]

you hold exsang for DM, not DM for exsang

[steel ridge]

since you wont get a third one anyway

[willow tendon]

your first puzzlebox was also not with your burst and it was used after it all ended

well I guess your only puzzlebox cuz it died

[steady anchor]

Ye

[steel ridge]

common mistake for new players, playing the advanced build (exsang)

just fuck it and dont

you will perform better

[steady anchor]

Talent tree?

[steel ridge]

i use 2x shiv talent and venom rush for example

its idiot proof

keeps you from losing shiv casts

and prevents energy starvation

much better idiot talents

[willow tendon]

I used to use venom rush and man I miss it a lot

[steady anchor]

Changed ex with improved since thats what this discord says 😄 BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFINJSCkElEAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQDJOQJJkkkkWKJiEkQkYBB

[unborn vault]

guys what are bis trinkets in raid, 424 icon or 415 puzzlebox?

[royal lantern]

box is non-negotiable for assa rn

[steel ridge]

whatever you can get your hands on and puzzlebox

[royal lantern]

its box+something else aways

box+icon or box+torch

[steel ridge]

box+cct

box+rubyfuckingwhelpshell

[unborn vault]

411 grieftorch and box or 424 icon with box

[steel ridge]

depends if you have more dead people or more people with icon in your raid

(icon is 421 btw)

[unborn vault]

youre r ight 😄

okay thanks

[steady anchor]

Anyone have some must have macros?

[steel ridge]

do you feel like you are lacking any?

[steady anchor]

Feel like to many buttons ye

Trying this:
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Algeth'ar Puzzle Box
/cast Exsanguinate
/cast Deathmark

[steel ridge]

doesnt work

[steady anchor]

Huh no

[steel ridge]

all three of those casts are on gcd

well box technically isnt, but it has a cast time

[steady anchor]

Ye

[steel ridge]

theres not much you can macro tbh

[willow tendon]

I really like the tricks focus macro for mythic dungeons

I think that's all I use

[steel ridge]

tricks focus doesnt remove a button

[willow tendon]

Oh yeah that's fair

[steady anchor]

I dont use tricks

[steel ridge]

not using tricks in dungeon is borderline trolling

[steady anchor]

This discord must be then since it's not talented

[steel ridge]

this discord encourages you to think for yourself

[steady anchor]

The #assassination-faq tells you not to use it. Isn't that tested?

[steel ridge]

the FAQ mostly tells you what build generally does the best damage

[subtle tundra]

it also plays elusiveness

you can change to your need

those are flex slots

buddy

[steel ridge]

elusiveness xD

utility is there to suit your needs

and in m+ you will most likely need tricks

[subtle tundra]

copy pasting shit wont get you anywhere

[willow tendon]

I honestly read all of my talents

You learn a lot

[magic vine]

the m+ ap build looks like a proper m+ build but the m+ dtb build looks like it was just modified off the raid build

[steady anchor]

I don't have a clue 😄

[steel ridge]

anyway

i would recommend a focus kick macro

[willow tendon]

You're telling me you don't just tab frantically all the way to the thing you want to interrupt?

[gusty mirage]

I prefer to kick explosives personally

[steel ridge]

sometimes

[gusty mirage]

that way people think I'm kicking

but I'm not

I love that for myself

that's my toxic trait

proudly announcing I kicked an explosive

[steel ridge]

ok enough internet for today

[gusty mirage]

because I'm dumb

[steady anchor]

xD

[gusty mirage]

people can't be disappointed in you if you set the expectations low enough

[steel ridge]

expectations are in the gutter when you show up to a key specced into sin

[gusty mirage]

I'm a gamer

how dare you

[steel ridge]

i am not wrong you know

[gusty mirage]

when you realize you could do more damage with less effort

unlucky

[subtle tundra]

Loser!

you played m+!!

[gusty mirage]

I KNOW

I'M UGLY DON'T LOOK AT ME

[subtle tundra]

im the hottest guy in the room

in the house

[steel ridge]

if you are the hottest guy in the room, you are in the wrong room

[subtle tundra]

sir

[gusty mirage]

wdym

varas is a full course meal

[subtle tundra]

the only correct room

is the BED room

[steel ridge]

bedge

[gusty mirage]

I've done more sale keys than actual keys in the last week

[steel ridge]

selling keys is actually more fun than playing actual keys

[gusty mirage]

4 man thundering actually goated

[subtle tundra]

just did some raid boosts, also gotta sell my loot lockouts

this week

aaaaaaaaaa

probably gonna be tuesday, thats when the desperado buyers are

before reset

[willow tendon]

Selling keys?

Like just carrying people through them?

[steel ridge]

not very competent people are paying gold to get a +16 for vault

some even pay millions for +20

[willow tendon]

Wow

[steel ridge]

raid boosting is more common tho

[willow tendon]

Thats crazy

[steel ridge]

a half competent raid squad can boost 12 "buyers" with 18 actual raiders on normal

probably even more

[willow tendon]

Damn I gotta get my ilvl up and find people to try to sell keys what the heck

[steel ridge]

the challenge is to find and deal with that sort of people

there are players that just let the creditcard do the talking

and buy tokens over tokens

just to get useless gear they wont even use

my small brain will never comprehend why.... why would you want 421 gear if you are just doing worldquests and lfr

[gusty mirage]

we were getting 65k per person

for 16s

lol

[willow tendon]

Yeah.. that's a lil cringe

[steel ridge]

earlier the season we had someone pay 500k per +16

insane gold

[gusty mirage]

the guildie who arranges them gets like 40k

so it's prolly like 300k per key

which is actual insanity

[round pecan]

hello everyone,how assa is performing in m+ compared with other 2 specs?

newbie here

[steel ridge]

it doesnt

[gusty mirage]

not great

[willow tendon]

Yeah it's :x

oof

[gusty mirage]

it can hang at higher key levels

but it's like significantly more effort

for, best case scenario, similar damage

[willow tendon]

Sheeesh, I gotta find a group to do this stuff and make money

Had no idea people will pay so much money to just have somebody carry them through stuff they can just play

[gusty mirage]

I miss old boosting

[steel ridge]

people pay for food they could cook themselves at home

[gusty mirage]

I used to make like 2 million gold a month

[willow tendon]

Here I am with my barely 50k

[steel ridge]

The first 100k are the hardest

[willow tendon]

Well I'm getting there, I'm making like 6k a day getting stuff that nobody wants to get and selling it

So you know eventually

[steel ridge]

6k a day is not a good return

30 minutes of mining ore should yield more

[willow tendon]

Yeah I'm going to start dealing with professions today actually

[willow tendon]

It's like really passive stuff that takes me like 30 seconds to get and I do it every like 15 or 30 mins after I do a key or something

But yeah I'll probably get mining and actually start making the gold

[dreamy gull]

crafting professions require absolutely absurd amounts of investment to level

making it so you cant hit 100 without custom recipes and using super limited resources like sparks is so dumb

[steady anchor]

Do any of you have an addon that helps with optimizing rotation?

[royal lantern]

nope, and its better if you dont use them tbh

[outer cairn]

Yeah. These can be “ok” for learning a rotation or prioritization but then you’re reliant on the add on telling you what to hit instead of learning what to hit and when to hit it.

[steady anchor]

Which do you use then?

[gusty mirage]

ye that's why people charge a ton for initial crafts/recrafts

I spent like 600k

plvling all my professions on 2 characters

[outer cairn]

@steady anchor I don’t. For example, I leveled an ele shaman, but I’d like to play enhance. So I’d switch specs and then take a look at the WoWhead guide for example and study when to use certain abilities and practice until it becomes second nature and I don’t have to refer back. It’s “harder” but then it becomes intrinsic vs relying on an add on. And if you get stuck or have questions like “why do I use this here” you can usually refer to the class/spec discord and someone can explain it to you.

[steady anchor]

Well I believe I have a pretty good understanding but on assa using shiv twice in a row and garrote of cooldown seems like trolling

[thorny pond]

On multi target you essentially keep garrote on CD so you can have it on everything

Don’t overcap shiv charges etc

[steady anchor]

Okay so it's only telling me this, cause I have to apply it too all targets. Thought carnage did that? And ap for shiv

[thorny pond]

I don’t think there’s a rotation helper here that’s recommended

Sin AoE is a priority list. Lots of balancing plates

[outer cairn]

You don’t shiv twice in a row. You use it on CD and when you don’t have it up. The current build for ST only has 1 charge

[thorny pond]

I would go sit on dummies for a bit or just keep practicing best practice. It’ll be learned muscle memory after a bit

[willow tendon]

Having the priority list that a lot of the guides on method and icyveins have on a second monitor would probably help you learn a lot faster, like having it open to use as training wheels. Assuming you have one, if not just looking at it every now and then

[steady anchor]

Ye my problem with this is no one explains the rotation and what to use and when, so I am left to figuring this out myself, which takes A LOT of time, when you are new to the class

[thorny pond]

#assassination-faq is a great start. Work through Whispyr guide

[outer cairn]

Give me a bit. Are you on US?

[steady anchor]

I am on EU

[thorny pond]

A lot of my guildies have a rogue alt and have no knowledge so I just point them at faq and help fill in the blanks as they have questions

[steady anchor]

Was just told to not use it since it's only a "guide", and I am mostly over the start of the learning

[outer cairn]

Ok. That shouldn’t matter. I’ll get on and talk with you. Shoot me a DM

[thorny pond]

Who told you that?

It’s more than accurate and Whispyr lays out pretty much everything you need there. Pull up a guide as well and spend some time going over it. The guides are linked in the faq

[steady anchor]

Kind of the message i got from that

[thorny pond]

That’s a troll

[willow tendon]

It was said that you should not just follow it blindly and to like read your talents and start to think for yourself

Like learning why you press stuff helps a lot

[thorny pond]

This discord is hell bent on turning off casual players for no reason