assassination

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

my sides hurt bro

[regal sable]

'blizzard moment' like blizzard + concepts that make no sense go hand in hand, sorry

[hardy dagger]

Give rupture to outlaw and make it spread with bladeflurry

[balmy condor]

ah gotcha

[warm parcel]

Yall malding over bleeds when you could just enjoy the toxic blade build

[regal sable]

AYO where my 20k shiv crit squad at

[marble hemlock]

My liver cant handle that much alcohol to be able to enjoy it

[grim jay]

And sin has multiple bleeds and poisons
I agree on replicating being too strong and it should be a sin thing.

[vernal adder]

just go sub or outlaw / s

[marble hemlock]

Wait so lemme get this straight

[pastel onyx]

@royal lantern

[balmy condor]

give outlaw secret technique and have all the secret technique clones use blade flurry all together, that way the blade flurry can blade flurry the secret technique's blade flurry

[pastel onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/math-hangover-movie-the-alan-gif-13330243

[dire spoke]

lol

[regal sable]

give assa a 2nd charge of vanish and shadowutilate in stealth

[marble hemlock]

We say: Rupture shouldnt be better for Subtlety than Assa
You say: Nah, its a finisher
We say: But we spend a lot of talents on it that are worse than the ones that Subtlety has to improve its damage, resulting in it dealing more damage for Sub than Assa, which is weird
You say: Nah, its a finisher
We say: But Sub has a bunch of other finishers too its significantly better at
You say: Nah, its a finisher
We say: fuck me my head is hurting, none of this makes any sense
You say: Yeah I agree, Replicating Shadow, the talent that makes Rupture much better on Subtlety than Assassination, should be an Assa thing.

[grim jay]

Was a point of mine before. Roughly same overall dmg and interaction, but ye

[hardy dagger]

Fuck we just opened Pandoras box

[regal sable]

too long, either really happy for u or sorry that happened seli

[balmy condor]

we draw the line at duplicating dots

remove replicating from sub, give rupture a 100% buff to compensate

[marble hemlock]

Davyn: Assassination cant have a better rupture because it has more bleeds and poisons, something it specializes in
Also Davyn: Subtlety having a better rupture is fine, because it totally doesn't have more finishers, something it specializes in, so it HAS to have a better rupture

[grim jay]

I think the spread should be a sin thing because sin is about bleeds/poisons, nothing wrong with that

[balmy condor]

bro where did you get this baby picture of me

[raven knoll]

If their bleed can deal more damage then our bleed make Envenom deal more damage than Eviscerate

[regal sable]

oh it was in a magazine for cutest babies of (insert year u were born)

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

Also, and I know it's difficult to stay away from a conversation like this when you basically only ever shitpost on discord, but maybe when 3-5 people are having an actual discussion on things, even if its kinda stupid and silly and some memes are being used to convey arguments, some of you could still:
-Stop themselves from attacking either side
-Stop posting random memes that do not contribute at all to the discussion

Thanks. I might consider this discussion stupid and annoying, but it's not nearly as annoying as the OT shitposters coming in here and contributing zero to the discussion only to shitpost in here too.

[regal sable]

[warm parcel]

I almost wanna copy pasta that seli

Almost

[marble hemlock]

Go ahead

[regal sable]

Also, and I know it's difficult to stay away from a conversation like this when you basically only ever shitpost on discord, but maybe when 3-5 people are having an actual discussion on things, even if its kinda stupid and silly and some memes are being used to convey arguments, some of you could still:
-Stop themselves from attacking either side
-Stop posting random memes that do not contribute at all to the discussion

Thanks. I might consider this discussion stupid and annoying, but it's not nearly as annoying as the OT shitposters coming in here and contributing zero to the discussion only to shitpost in here too.

[warm parcel]

But ye

[marble hemlock]

You came in here with an actual argument

[warm parcel]

Assa hasnt been the babe it was years ago

[marble hemlock]

And joined the discussion

Same as a few others. Thats what I come to RH for

[warm parcel]

Lost its place with its dots imo

[grim jay]

With the terros example rupture on sub isnt better, its roughly the same damage but with it influencing other parts on sin aswell.

[regal sable]

i come to RH to copy paste whispyr talents, collect cat pictures and shitpost

today has been very successful day

[grim jay]

I just didnt agree that it should be way better on sin than sub just because its a bleed

[balmy condor]

subs viable and we're arguing about rupture damage, notter is back, it's like im back in 2017 BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[marble hemlock]

I quite liked Sub in BfA where you'd use your much higher CP gen to Rupture outside of Dance windows, and then used Dance to omega amp your instant finishers. I think that was a good design choice, I really don't understand why Sub got the Rupture cleave besides just being a copypaste of an azerite trait

[grim jay]

When do we use TB

[balmy condor]

deliver me to antorus god bless

a simpler time

where haste scaling wasn't a thing

[warm parcel]

Take me back to 2017 bb

[balmy condor]

and we didn't play exsanguinate in mythic+

[marble hemlock]

Would be a shame if someone were to remove your ability to do so then, wouldn't it.

[dark token]

Sin had its best m+ season in s1 bfa (and was arguably the most fun) when exang was mandatory

[marble hemlock]

We need a Discord rank that makes it so you cannot post/embed pictures if you have that rank, so all you can do, is write text. I'd love to give it to a few people.

[regal sable]

wait which one

[verbal mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-entering-enterin-gamess-wtfhappened-gif-13742847

[balmy condor]

are we saying wrong things on purpose now?

[dark token]

Was there a time sin was more viable in m+?

[soft cape]

Yes.

[dark token]

Don't think so

[balmy condor]

yes

season 3

[marble hemlock]

He's actually correct.

[balmy condor]

hello

nyalotha was way better for sin in bfa

are we high

[marble hemlock]

Because Outlaw didnt have Wits yet in S1, so it sucked ass, and Sub got gaped after Zul nerfs, so it was pretty meh as well. So Assa had the best M+ season, as a direct result of the other 2 specs being shit. Great design on that one.

[royal lantern]

fokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfok

[dark token]

Yeah

[grim jay]

I like bigger dance windows on sub aswell compared to small regular bursts that are more sustained, dont think it would change the problem you have with rupture in a meaningful way tho

[warm parcel]

Zul

[dark token]

Sin was strong in nyalotha but outlaw was still a better m+ choice due to wits existing

[marble hemlock]

While Assa got stuff like EB later down the line to make it actually good, the other specs got better shit still

But yeah, S4 Assa was good

[dark token]

Sin/sub were the best in season 1, then sub was destroyed and sin left standing

[balmy condor]

I forgot wits not being a thing in s1

[marble hemlock]

[dire spoke]

Dont forget BtE stun

[marble hemlock]

Ye we got EB, they got wits

The biggest bandaid in wow history

[balmy condor]

actually deleted wits from my memory

what a terrible ability

[dark token]

Sin had both unnerfed echoing blades and shrouded suffocation in season 1

It was nuts

[balmy condor]

huh?

that's def not true

echoing blades was added in s3 or s4

[dark token]

Nah

[marble hemlock]

When Outlaw suddenly did better prio than Sub and better sustained AoE than Assa, when previously it was beyond dogshit on both

[dark token]

I used unnerfed echoing blades on mythrax

100%

[marble hemlock]

All because of a single azerite trait that you only played one of

[balmy condor]

did it get reworked then?

[dark token]

Originally each echo could echo

[marble hemlock]

It did not

[dark token]

And everything was uncapped

[marble hemlock]

Echoing Blades was introduced in S2

[royal lantern]

echoing was s2 mate

[marble hemlock]

And it was uncapped for all of 2 hours or so

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

s1 all assa aoe dmg was shrouded

[balmy condor]

8.1

[dark token]

Was s2 with the new raid?

[balmy condor]

mythrax?

[marble hemlock]

Because we said for months on PTR it would be broken

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

So they didnt fix it

And then people went into motherlode on release with uncapped EB and did ridiculous DPS

And they nerfed it within the hour

[dark token]

Cause I didn't play dazaralor at all, only uldir

And I remember sin getting echoing blades towards the end

[marble hemlock]

When you played or not doesnt change the fact that youre wrong

[dark token]

Ye this happened

[balmy condor]

8.1 was dazar

[marble hemlock]

Anyway

[balmy condor]

8.2 was ep

8.3 was nya

so idk

[royal lantern]

🐱

[marble hemlock]

S1 Assa was the majority playing SS, and the chads playing Scent

Cause Scent was good

[balmy condor]

maybe you played echoing in like early 8.1

and then quit?

[marble hemlock]

It never stopped being good, Echoing Blades was just better

[royal lantern]

fokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfok

[dire spoke]

I guess we all agree that rogue needs a design revamp (yet again) rather than cherry picking talent swaps and buffs ?_ ? Weirdly enough its quite balanced but in shambles

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

our class tree

[raven knoll]

Redesign outlaw out of rogue specs.

[balmy condor]

is actually such a mess

[regal sable]

bring back vendetta :D

[vestal wren]

they could start by scrapping and re-doing he rogue class tree

[dire spoke]

lol

[grim jay]

Getting combat back would be fine aswell

[marble hemlock]

scent vs echoing blades kinda went like this

BFA release: Have good azerite trait that was shit in ST but scaled incredibly well on high target counts and even gave you good cleave, that synergized well with our playstyle of generating additional CP on aoe for more rupture spread, while improving all our damage through the big agi gain, which was mostly felt in our garrotes, ct, rupture and poison damage

BFA 8.1: Add a new azerite trait that was useless in st but scaled incredibly well on high target counts, fokfokfok and even gave you good clave fokfokfokfok, that didnt synergize at all with FOK FOK FOK FOK FOK FOK FOK FOK FOK

[shrewd night]

Blizzard is just saving up all the good 10.0.7 changes for the last patchnote

[raven knoll]

Blizzard will not touch rogue till the end of expansion.

[vestal wren]

we will get big changes next reset, i feel it

[marble hemlock]

Yeah

[bold drum]

all 3 rogue specs coping together for changes

[marble hemlock]

I already predicted the next Rogue Patchnotes

[grim jay]

They are just holding back to surprise us with a big bang

[balmy condor]

[bold drum]

thats the one thing we all share

[shrewd night]

[marble hemlock]

Rogue:
Nightstalker no longer increases all damage while stealth is active by 4/8%. It instead increases the damage of Ambush/Shadowstrike by 4/8% while stealth is active.

~Fin.

[dark token]

Ye I was right

[balmy condor]

you forgot the compensation nerf that sub would need or whatever

[royal lantern]

*still doesnt work

[balmy condor]

i forget what the argument was for our class tree having 2 points that do nothing

[dark token]

They released 8.1 in December 11 2018, then dropped new raid January 22 2019 with new m+ season

[marble hemlock]

It wouldnt, it would just be a tooltip fix to the way it currently works

Instead of fixing the talent

Why not just change the tooltip

[dark token]

All the new azerite traits were in the season for like 5 weeks

Before it went to season 2

[regal sable]

TTB Bonus damage reduced from 500% to 480%

[dark token]

Some weird shit

[balmy condor]

exsanguinate speed up effect reduced from 80% to 78.5%

[late veldt]

I just read that in Eminem voice

[grim jay]

With a 2:45min CD to make it look better while it changes nothing

[vestal wren]

they would need to do the same with lethality and acrobatics

[grim jay]

I feel like I got cursed earlier

Just hit my little toe

[shrewd night]

Deserved

[regal sable]

exsanguinate now slows your bleeds by 100%, increasing their duration

[raven knoll]

5 APM spec

[drifting cosmos]

if it does big numbers, i dont mind fokfokfok...

[dire spoke]

Slice and Dice now makes your Combo Points to fill up like DK runes

[grim jay]

I mean I like that we have different opinions sometimes and a little heated discussion isnt bad sometimes either

Relieving all that pent up stuff

[marble hemlock]

Still easier than actually fixing stuff

Apparently

[shrewd night]

Its just assa rogues trying to remind you what rupture is supposed to feel like. But I guess you didnt stub your toe hard enough.

[marble hemlock]

Stubbing your toe is exactly what Rupture feelsl ike atm

Everytime I press it

[grim jay]

Does it feel worse than exsing your DM to you tho

[marble hemlock]

If its not an IC rupture and I have to press it on a multitarget pull, I feel like I just stubbed my toe

Best feeling is once your IC ruptures run out and the entire pull is at 20% hp and you have no ruptures up and no scent and you have the choice of just slowly starving energy and spamming CT with no scent stacks up, or refreshing ruptures that arent even gonna run half their duration. Love that.

[regal sable]

rename fan of knives to "fan uf knives" so our aoe without IC can be fuk rupture fuk rupture

[grim jay]

Make sin get a pre-capstone talent that makes envenom cleave to a nearby target and a capstone that would replicate the current targets bleeds + poisons to it 😁

[marble hemlock]

Love having to maintain a 7sec buff and a 14sec debuff with 2 separate finishers while also wanting to rebuild/maintain scent stacks while also using a 1CP builder every 3 seconds

[grim jay]

Could easily get balanced with "at x% effectiveness" aswell

[regal sable]

give us a capstone that allows us to keep a pet cat which is just an npc doing the same amount of dmg as an 80 parse feral druid

[raven knoll]

make our bleeds bleedier

[regal sable]

[grim jay]

@marble hemlock what would you think about those talents,kinda curious. Liked that idea for some time, would Limit ct spam aswell at certain targetcounts

[marble hemlock]

i know itll be boring but like

just copypaste feral or SP talents

thanks

[shrewd night]

Jesus what I wouldnt give for a shadow crash, but for bleeds

[regal sable]

isnt that

IC

with a low cd

[shrewd night]

No, shadow crash isnt targetcapped

[regal sable]

WOT

ok wtf yeah

they really did us dirty

[marble hemlock]

the problem with assa runs deeper than anything we discussed. in order for it to be done well, you just need to cut out some cancerous abilities and mechanics at first.

so for example, CT has to go. its a shitty finsiher and actively hinders the design space for improving the specs aoe/cleave gameplay

next up is our singletarget energy regen. part of assa core design has always been VW and how we scale going from a 40apm spec in st to a 70+ apm spec in aoe thanks to sustaining an energy equilibrium. but assa st energy regen is already so skyhigh, that theres not a lot of room left.

[marble hemlock]

it is tho

[shrewd night]

[marble hemlock]

shadow crash is 8target VT, dark void is 15target sw:p

if you play misery, that 8t shadowcrash will also apply SW:P tho

so its IC

on a lower cooldown

with instant damage

[regal sable]

ok so i wasnt

[shrewd night]

Hurl a bolt of slow-moving Shadow energy at the destination, dealing (210.375% of Spell power) Shadow damage to all targets within 8 yards and applying Vampiric Touch to 8 of them.

[marble hemlock]

thats not a capstone

[regal sable]

completely dumb

just mostly dumb

[marble hemlock]

oh yeah i mean, the instant damage isnt capped ofc

with misery picked up earlier

its literally just IC

on a 30sec CD instead

with uncapped instant damage

as a t5 talent

[shrewd night]

Shadow crash does like.. Pretty respectable damage on its own

So with the added effect of adding dots

[marble hemlock]

ye

[shrewd night]

Its just alot for free

[marble hemlock]

and those dots allow your ST spells to cleave

on all of those targets

[grim jay]

Give sin tree the arms treatment with a talent that AoE applies garrote on basically no cd

[shrewd night]

[marble hemlock]

and you can still manually apply vt+swp on unaffected targets if you wanted to

[shrewd night]

Not to mention spriest has a better rc

[regal sable]

is it PW that has that "deal ur bleed dmg instantly if ur bleed is already applied"

[marble hemlock]

both feral and shadow have their singletarget big hits also hit all targets afflicted by their dots, which makes their gameplay loop on aoe a lot more smooth since they dont have to worry about needing a dedicated aoe spell anymore

[shrewd night]

where all their big baller spells has no cost if they proc

[marble hemlock]

thats feral

[shrewd night]

Back to back mind sear procs

[regal sable]

yeah

primal wrath right

[marble hemlock]

since their aoe finsiher applies rip, uncapped, but only for 12sec

but if you spam it, like during incarn, you get multiple other benefits

so your primal wrath does some instant damage based on your rip damage

it also applies a second dot called tear

cuz, ya know, rip and tear

and your rip ticks give you a chance to get a free max CP bite

which hits all targets affected by rip for 35% dmg

[regal sable]

starting the cat arc

[marble hemlock]

its just overall very well designed, but you couldnt do smth like that with assa in its current state

[regal sable]

i mean if we're spamming CT anyways it could be reworked to consume some CT but yeah

imagine envenom cleaving onto all targets with rupture

and proccing a poison bomb 8x on 8t

[shrewd night]

Like, all the other dot classes have over the years become well developer and have interesting mechanics not shoehorning them into having troubles with either mob grouping type

[grim jay]

I think envenom cleave with dot spread would atleast help a good bit

[shrewd night]

And then there is assa

[marble hemlock]

imo, and this is just me but like, assa needs to be stripped down to its parts and checked for which abilities and mechanics should remain, and which need to be removed to rebuild it

[shrewd night]

Spriest, shadowcrash. Feral, aoe rip. Affli, sow the seeds. Assa.. IC

[grim jay]

Dont forget arms

[steel ridge]

and they said i am insane when i said IC on 90 seconds is garbage and even 45 seconds is not short enough 😄

[grim jay]

With blood and thunder or what its called

[shrewd night]

I really dont consider arms a dot class

[grim jay]

Not purely

[shrewd night]

Back in nyalotha, sure

[steel ridge]

arms dots without actually dotting

[shrewd night]

N W?

[grim jay]

But still stands that thunderclap spreading rend is just good

[steel ridge]

it deals alot of DOT but application is by accident

[marble hemlock]

IC is a bandaid

its basically bladeflurry for dots, and it sucks

[steel ridge]

absolutely

[marble hemlock]

and its not fun either

but these days dot calsses are designed around having all their dots up on all targets to remain competitive with instant hit classes, and im not a fan of that

[raven knoll]

you are a fan of knives

[marble hemlock]

im a fan of hard hitting bleeds and poisons

that you cast selectively

[steel ridge]

well well, sin aoe is not salvageable the entire kit has to be purged

[marble hemlock]

if you need to apply them to 20 targets for htem to deal good aoe, its kinda failed the concept of a dot

[grim jay]

Actually arms has like 32% dotdmg starting on cleave, thought it was more

[grim jay]

Dont think CT is a great skill either

[raven knoll]

I dont see a problem with CT.

[royal lantern]

ct is a bandaid that never got removed

[grim jay]

It shouldve been something that interacts with the other dots

[marble hemlock]

CT is not a good aoe finisher at all, design wise

[steel ridge]

CT is just a worse primal wrath

[royal lantern]

^

[marble hemlock]

it was okay back when it was introduced

as the first and only aoe finisher rogues had

[raven knoll]

what is primal wrath

[marble hemlock]

when blackpowder wasnt a thing, when permanent bladeflurry wasnt a thing

[steel ridge]

feral aoe blast finisher

[marble hemlock]

this is what feral gets

with their first 2 talent points

rake is basically garrote, rip is rupture

simplified, but ye

[regal sable]

maybe hot take maybe not but id like to see assa move to a bleed burst spec where ur rotation involves stacking up bleeds and then using it to deal burst dmg at the end, like torghast veinripper

[marble hemlock]

not a hot take, been saying that since alpha

[dire spoke]

The first CT should apply dots and the ones afters poison wounds hitting harder

[royal lantern]

veinripper would be cool 🙂

[dire spoke]

[regal sable]

very nice :D

i usually get met with the "buh is dot damage over time not burst" response

[steel ridge]

well veinripper stops all damage over time (payoff) to deliver instant damage (reward)

still a dot class

[royal lantern]

and gives mainstat

[steel ridge]

which is useless with no follow up

[royal lantern]

let it replace exsang man

[marble hemlock]

incorrect

youd simply not start with IC on pull

but use it after ripping

[steel ridge]

yeah thats what i mean with follow up

[marble hemlock]

but even without

its still better

because

[shrewd night]

Remove exsang, remove 500% shiv. Return poison bomb to its former glory.

[regal sable]

could u imagine walking into 25 AA doing like 200 dps for first 30 sec and then pop a casual 12 mil in the last 3 sec of the pull

[marble hemlock]

doesnt matter whether yourrupture deals its damage over 30 seconds or ticks for10 and then deals the remaining 20sec instantly. its still a dps gain if you rebleed after, even if its slower

[marble hemlock]

take care of yourself

[shrewd night]

Yooo, thats toxic

[dire spoke]

Nice poison bomb /say so the tank knows to not move the mobs ( worked 0/10 times)

[regal sable]

aight we play arterial for the aoe shiv + we use cripple with imp so we get 70% slow to keep them in poison bomb

uhuh

[dire spoke]

i guess that work

lol

[grim jay]

Do you think it would be good if rogue had the spread in CT instead of IC like that ? 😁

[marble hemlock]

dunno

i dont want all the classes to play the same

while id prefer the way sp or feral play atm

if its just a carbon copy of one of them, itd be boring imo

[shrewd night]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=375994/mental-decay

This, but with poison ticks

[marble hemlock]

right now assa is pretty jumbled. back in bfa, there was a pretty clear design decision to make the poison spells the stuff that makes you good in st, and the bleed stuff that makes you good in aoe.

so you had stuff like envenom with twist the knife, double dose procs, nothing personel azerite trait on vendetta, toxic blade, all of them did nature damage and were basically st only.

then you had stuff like crimson tempest, rupture spread, garrote spread, shrouded suffocation, scent of blood; all bleed-based abilities or traits that allowed you to scale into aoe

since SL things are very much jumbled again, and now we have stuff like DM/exsang being bleed st stuff, poison bomb and multiple poisons being good on aoe etc.

the problem with a design approach like that, is that it needs to be supported by meaningful talent choices. that wasnt possible until DF, but it is now. but it would still lead to a talent tree that would be highly focused on st on one side, and aoe on the other, and in order for that to not still be dogshit, it would have to actually excel at it when specialized in it, and i just dont think thats gonna happen, ever.

[dire spoke]

Should have complained about it in beta

(hihi)

[royal lantern]

dont even need to change the name

[static glacier]

Ngl it’s kinda sadge that dm doesn’t really do stuff in aoe

[marble hemlock]

the more important comparison when we look at feral vs assa, isnt even in primal wrath. its when you look at how they get their spells to deal more damage. we have a bunch of basic modifiers to individual spells, that just take effect immediately, the only exception to that, is lethal dose.

feral by comparison, has a bunch of talents that are more potent but conditional. so your rip and rake deal more damage when theyre both on the same target, your bite deals more damage per bleed active, stuff like that. while they kinda operate the same, it makes the spec "feel" better because you gain damage as you unleash your combos and play the maintenance game well

[royal lantern]

thats the main problem with vendetta that didnt get fixed with Dm

yeha, dm is better and fits morr, but still 0usage for anything that is not 1target, and its not even a insane 1target cd

[static glacier]

Honestly if we have a finisher that lets us consume amp poison in aoe it would be pretty cool (if ramp based and slow in aoe)

[marble hemlock]

and at least in my opinion

[grim jay]

Make IC copy everything thats on the target, so you garr -> er -> rup -> DM -> IC

[marble hemlock]

our capstones suck ass, not because theyre badly designed or anything, but becasue they shouldnt be capstone at all. they should be core features of the spec

[grim jay]

And DM is good on aoe

[grim jay]

I actually feel that way about DTB

[marble hemlock]

most spec trees have good shit early on, then a bunch of snyergies, then insane good shit at the end. we dont have any of that early on

imo dtb should actually be baseline or one of the first talents we pick

[hollow dirge]

what would help assa right now in m+ is a talent that makes garrotes used on IC empowered as if used from stealth. that would make us much more viable for chain pulling , than just hoping you get that one sec to stealth between pulls

[marble hemlock]

were already one of the best specs for chainpulling

its literally the only thing we really dont give a fuck about

[hollow dirge]

it's annoying even if we're good at it hahaha

[marble hemlock]

chainpull 10mobs one after another and assa will top the meters and other dps will cry "i dont have CDs"

[royal lantern]

seal fate should be assa baseline or t1-t2 talent, venomous wounds should be baseline, DtB and kingsbane should be mid tree options, IC should be way higher or in the current exsang spot

[static glacier]

Return of dusk walkers 😳

[marble hemlock]

im not a fan of active abilities as capstones unless theyre insanely powerful

[royal lantern]

cease

[marble hemlock]

id rather have active abilities earlier in the tree, with follow-up talents that allow you to turn them into insane shit

but if you choose to go down another lane, you at least still get the base functionality of it

you know, how it is with ER

[hollow dirge]

you're talking only numbers, but I'm talking about gameplay. what makes gameplay annoying is not being able to utilize things you have in your arsenal

[marble hemlock]

but, you can?

you have vanish

if you really want that imp garrote

not that it even adds a lot of damage in the first place

[hollow dirge]

ofc you can, didn't say you can't. but stealth is not a cd, and it feels like it is

[marble hemlock]

people are so hung up on stealth garrotes for no reason, and ive spent years trying to understand why

with SS i could kinda understand it, but we could just not play it and play other strong azerite traits

[grim jay]

That was my idea for exsang. Making the followup a choice between making it stronger and maybe a 4 min CD, or weaker/use and a 2 min CD for example

[hollow dirge]

what do you mean why? they create a build based on garrote being the strongest spell you have, and then you're surprised people actually like to use it the best way

[marble hemlock]

but

[hollow dirge]

being surprised by that is actually surprising

[marble hemlock]

garrote isnt the strongest spell we have

[raven knoll]

it is isnt it

[hollow dirge]

it is ofc

[shrewd night]

[hollow dirge]

it's the highest dealer in m+ , and second highest in st

• when used from stealth comes with range of benefits

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JzpCQ/5c7414e659.png

is it?

its barely 2nd highest dmg source

[balmy condor]

not in my reality

we're back baby

reality is what I make it

[marble hemlock]

but yeah regardless

ofc garrote is powerful if you get all its bonus effects set up in an ideal way. but no class gets that

[raven knoll]

When you cast garrote from stealth and full CP rupture what is going to deal more damage?

[marble hemlock]

okay

but you cant cast garrote from stealth all the time

can you

"yeah, thats my point, it feels bad"

yeah well, garrote hasnt been a stealth-only ability since warlords

[raven knoll]

Maybe its not first in damage overall but it is the strongest ability.

[kind forge]

dtb should be baseline

[regal sable]

@balmy condor how long did you get imp garrote running back near launch?

with dance/vanish

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JzpDj/383377c1c5.png

[regal sable]

was it like 50 sec

[marble hemlock]

yeah

its like

our 3rd strongest ability when looking at its damage per execute, and barely beats CT on a dslice sim where you spend 2min fighting a boss

[hollow dirge]

that what it looks like at the end of the dungeon for you?

willing to bet it does not

[static glacier]

That’s DPET, not dmg contribution breakdown

[marble hemlock]

i linked that before

anyway

stop thinking

stealth garrotes matter

they dont

[nova flax]

U say that but often times higher keys are pulled around giving people their optimal setups. And the fact that sin’s optimal setup is no chain pulling is

[marble hemlock]

thats just wrong

sins optimal setup IS chain pulling

[hollow dirge]

yeah, they don't - which is why it's a poorly imagined idea that only feels like shit, which was my initial arguement

[wicked valve]

Id like to hear @balmy condor take on this. Cause I love my stealth and feel my damage is shit without. Guess I might be just shit.

[marble hemlock]

how can you possibly think the ideal setup for a ramp class, is to have to re-ramp every pull instead of sustaining their bleeds over long periods of time?

[shrewd night]

It would be a shame if you managed to pull another pack when your energy regen is at its highest so you can just crank from the getgo

[marble hemlock]

yeah

would be a shame to pull another pack when you already have maxed scent of blood benefits

and can continue rolling it into the next pack

[royal lantern]

you can trust selis opinipn about assa stuff mate

[marble hemlock]

BUT MUH STEALTH GARROTE

[nova flax]

Can also instantly get it back with an IC rupture

Like huh?

[marble hemlock]

or, and heres a novel idea, you can have the old bleeds AND Bleeds on the new pack

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

so you double garrote all of them for 23 seconds, and then you count the sources. stealth is 23, then you dance, so you get 23 after the end of the 6 seconds, so you're at 23+23+6, then you sepsis so you get another 16, then you vanish and get another 23. So you're at 23+23+6+23+16, that adds up to 1:31. You cast dance at 0:23, so that's back up, you get another 23 seconds + 6 seconds from dance, that gives you another 29 seconds, 1:31 + 29 is 2 minutes, and now you're sorta running dry. You used sepsis at 23+23+6, so that's 52, sepsis would come up at 2:22, that don't work, vanish would come back at 2:38, that doesn't work. Dance isn't up until 3:23

so you can't really push it any farther

[balmy condor]

sorry haven't been reading, what opinion am I giving

[royal lantern]

my

[regal sable]

ur the best <3

[nova flax]

Apparently stealth garrotes dont matter

[balmy condor]

they don't

[shrewd night]

[royal lantern]

[raven knoll]

the whole debate was that IC should cast garrote like it was cast from stealth.

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

you want stealth garrote for boss fights, thats it

[wicked valve]

Understood. I am just shit. My parents were right!

[balmy condor]

it's better for the group, and better for you, if your tank chain pulls

that's just how it is

not getting stealths feels bad

but it isn't relevant to your damage

I mean it is

but it's not relevant enough

[royal lantern]

but it isnt

[balmy condor]

to actually be worth doing

like if you're asking your tank please let me restealth

you're a clown

or your tank is an idiot and can't chain pull, and thinks chain pulling is letting mobs get to 3% and pulling the next pack

[hollow dirge]

yeah that's why the idea was that ic should cast empowered garrote when applied, so chain pulling does not fee like shit. since , numbers are not the only reason you play the game, and we can do numbers just fine right now in any key

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[grim jay]

All educational with the casual insult at the end

[balmy condor]

in that case, tank stupid

[grim jay]

We love to see it

[marble hemlock]

you know, how you feel about it is just... a feeling.

feelings, just like opinions, can be wrong

[hollow dirge]

yeah

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats what 99% of tanks think chainpulling means, and thats what most peeps think seli means i gues

[balmy condor]

I mean sure I can get behind that, buff is a buff I guess

[royal lantern]

and not actually good chainpulls

[hollow dirge]

sure, in this case , I guess opinion loses to feeling, but again, that's an opinion

[balmy condor]

the issue with that though is if you make IC always give stealth garrote

[marble hemlock]

once you start realizing that restealthing is kinda pointless when you can just chainpull and do higher dps as a result, and its better for the group, and its better for the tank, then you will stop feeling "bad" about not getting stealth IC as well

[balmy condor]

what are you doing with vanish

[hollow dirge]

fun argument though 😄

[balmy condor]

but you could just argue vanish utility

and then gg

[royal lantern]

just slam ic on cd

[balmy condor]

idk, seems fine to me

[hollow dirge]

it would feel better, and it would not reck anything numbers wise

which is kinda what you want as a dev

[regal sable]

me when the feel better

[marble hemlock]

the problem is that most people think that stealth openers are very important, when theyre not, and as a result the wider community feeling is that not getting them is "suboptimal"

but ive been trying to fight that battle

since bfa

[static glacier]

Ironically this week doesn’t really allow for chain pulling

[marble hemlock]

and im not gaining any ground on it

[balmy condor]

I really hate that I have to make opener graphics

but I mean

I'm a slave to the community

what can you do

[hollow dirge]

and you're not gonna gain it, as feelings, unlike opinions, is not something people will ignore

[marble hemlock]

even in this situation, you can just not run int othe next pack

[grim jay]

I mean, if chainpulling is already better

[marble hemlock]

and the mobs will die

and you get your stealth

even if you chain

[grim jay]

And you buff it, wouldnt that wreck it ?

[balmy condor]

back to playing a better game

[regal sable]

maple?

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

league of legends?

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

your mental state is ready for league

[grim jay]

Metin2 pserver

[balmy condor]

my mental state is ready to call a 13 year old yuumi one trick the most vile slur known to mankind

[royal lantern]

british?

[marble hemlock]

yeah idk, im just used to facts and data beating opinions/emotions, but maybe thats just me

[royal lantern]

oh shit sorry tos

[hollow dirge]

that's cute, you silly little android

[marble hemlock]

using vanish for dps on aoe has been minor margins, at best, for like half a decade at this point. people still whine about having to hold it for utility

[balmy condor]

pov you play EUW

[marble hemlock]

i will say this though: chaining is an art, and most tanks arent very good at it. but when you play with tanks who practiced and know how to play around melee dps and chain well, youll realize "this is fucking lit"

[normal mist]

Fun fact, i didn't know it was possible for me, an assa rogue, to be 1# in diurna HC WHILE doing eggs

[regal sable]

me holding vanish to silence the casters in SMBG

[royal lantern]

wdym, i pull the next pack when the current Pack has 2enemys at 5% hp, i know what chainpulling is

[marble hemlock]

you didnt realize that when most of the raid isnt even above the 50th percentile, and you are at 92, you might be doing better damage than them?

(dont wanna shit on your accomplishment, 92 is great for doing eggs)

[marble hemlock]

fuck those

[regal sable]

im not sure what domination is, but i will stop it always

:^)

[marble hemlock]

but smbg is so easy

if you care abotu your overall dps in a dungeon like that

youre playing m+ wrong

that applies to all dungeons, actually

[normal mist]

No worries, my last week kill was like a 70 parse with 60k dps, i had huge improvement this week so I'm happy

[regal sable]

but you dont understand, u must PI me even if its suboptimal bc i want the big number near my name

[marble hemlock]

dont care about that

all im saying is

play 5 keys in a row flawlessly that you deplete due to the timer, and then we can talk about DPS. until then, stop dying/wiping/making mistakes that arent at all related to DPS.

[balmy condor]

love to see the homies gaining

[raven knoll]

You wont wipe if the mobs are alive for 10 seconds

[balmy condor]

rather that than arguing about nonsense like sub rupture and m+ restealths for the 500th time in the last 3 years

[marble hemlock]

brother cant recall beyond 3years cuz he hasnt been here much longer

👶

[regal sable]

gained 55 ilvl today

alt now 405

time2 blast

[balmy condor]

I joined in october of 2022

and I'm already a mod

weird

[marble hemlock]

yeah

how has that been treating your mental?

[balmy condor]

what kind of clown show is this place

to decide to make me a mod

[marble hemlock]

a desperate one

https://tenor.com/view/scum-wretched-villany-tattooine-gif-10985312

love how this is the most used version

and it has a typo

[grim jay]

I literally

Questioned my english skills

Not that they are particularly impressive

[balmy condor]

I don't see the typo

is it villiany

[regal sable]

no its "more"

[balmy condor]

oh

villainy

ai

WEIRD STUFF

[grim jay]

Yep

Tho I switched the channel to read dunjons

So I guess I'm fine

[gaunt moat]

I apologize

Give blood of the assassinated back

[drifting cosmos]

wasnt legion rupture just give you energy, all I can remember from glory legion days was poison bomb god

[kind forge]

rupture had a chance to increase your rupture dam by 100%

[drifting cosmos]

didnt play at super high end but things died rather quick i remembered

when pb procs

like 2-3 in a row, or within the shoulder buff

[jade abyss]

Pb proc in opener was huge in legion :D

[rocky ruin]

Pb Legion was like yay happy log same with Rupture Trait

[thorny pond]

Progged Dathea with IC + IW. Did just a rando pull as ST only. Killed it

I was the issue :p

[balmy condor]

[trail tree]

doing anything but hitting boss as assa is always a problem imo

[thorny pond]

Nothing more frustrating tho than a group of DHs and monks not being able to get AoE stops

[balmy condor]

why didn't IC dathea die with oxi

cursed tech

[trail tree]

we're on dathea tonight and we're gonna also feel the same pain

[thorny pond]

I was pulling like 100k at 5-10% some pulls but did 3 platforms

[trail tree]

where people cant just time their cc

[thorny pond]

We also had no boomkin

[regal sable]

hhhhhh i just read dathea and ic in the same sentence wtf

[thorny pond]

It’s fun to shoot up meters and pair box with vanish IC etc

But like

Not fun also

[regal sable]

hey guys take subterfuge and just triple cheap shot :^)

[thorny pond]

Funny guy

[gusty mirage]

Maybe they need to hear me have another meltdown about it

[balmy condor]

maybe you should melt down into my lap

[gusty mirage]

[late veldt]

I lvled my druid alt to 70 the other day, mainly to have a break from the dot and maintenance gameplay as an assa rogue. Oh boy was I in for a treat.

[timber basalt]

[oak tangle]

you should try affliction warlock, i heard it's completely different

[storm forum]

I cannot tell the difference between the feral bleeds. Like I see thrash/rake/rip/whatever drop and idk what dropped or what button to press to put it back on lmao

[spice spire]

The issue is that you’re a dog, not a cat

[gray crest]

Imagine if someone had to go IC on Raz so we can clear sparks easier now that we don't have a dk

[gusty mirage]

Imagine if we go back to two rogues because I quit the game

Because I came awfully close last night

[vestal wren]

good take

[brazen zodiac]

what did u think u were playing mage

hehe

reroll monk why stab when u can punch

[grim jay]

Not good for your wrists

[brazen zodiac]

i was learning how to properly punch for self defense

boy if i punched id 100% break my wrist shits hard

[grim jay]

Pretty much an issue for every boxing guy doing self defense

Bcs shit is bad if you dont wear gloves

[green juniper]

our pug literally zerged to dathea didnt went for platform.. and we killed after 2 wipes

[fleet imp]

?

[spice spire]

Get stronger bones

[kind forge]

[green juniper]

should have clarified it was heroic

[spice spire]

I totally haven’t fucked my wrist a time or two egoing the bag bare knuckle

[trail tree]

we're on mythic :p on heroic i think we just ignore everything and hit boss

[green juniper]

yep I realized now that people would talk about mythic at this point

because I am 2/8 scrub

[grim jay]

Totally cant imagine... someone.. ever doing that..

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Don’t call yourself a scrub

[royal lantern]

thats still top 1% btw

[gusty mirage]

Mythic prog doesn’t make someone a good player, trust me there’s plenty of trash players that are 7/8 and 8/8 mythic

[royal lantern]

dont meassure yourself against the basement dwellers here that raid 6 out of 7days in a week

[gusty mirage]

Like me, I’m the trash player

[spice spire]

I’m also 2/8. Terros sub 10%, mages pulling 40k

[green juniper]

I am at rp server.. 2/8 was an accomplishment for us xd

[royal lantern]

damm, should buff all mage Specs by 5% tbh

[gusty mirage]

You’re a gamer

[spice spire]

I wish I knew mages, I want to help them figure out their problems

[gusty mirage]

Your in here and trying to be better, already better than 90% of the playerbase

[green juniper]

fire mage looks fun tbh.. but I dont know why low player count classes so charming for me.. like fire mage, sv hunter, mistweawer monk..

[grim jay]

42k wont fix his problem. Go for 80%

[gusty mirage]

I can ask our mage for you if you’d like

He’s an absolute gamer

[royal lantern]

honestly, 40k is "throw it in wowanylzer and get that shit fixed" stuff

[gray crest]

He is a Chad

[royal lantern]

mages cant be chads

they are rats by default

[gray crest]

You've never met our mage

[royal lantern]

not cute pet rats, ugly sewer rats

[gusty mirage]

Woah woah woah

Lily is the best

And he’s cute af

[spice spire]

I gave some suggestions to one last night (and mick today if he’s ever in here ) about movement issues. Alter time is a gcd may as well use it to max dam

Since I wasn’t seeing it used for the defensive

[gusty mirage]

Do you want me to talk to lily

Or not

[spice spire]

Nah

[gusty mirage]

K

Fuck you then

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[spice spire]

I’d like them to figure on own

[gusty mirage]

Bitch

I didn’t wanna help your crusty ass anyway

[spice spire]

They’re good players something about Terros has them fucked up tho

[gray crest]

Probably rune problems

[spice spire]

Could be too

[gray crest]

Or they are cancelling important casts to move without ice flows

[spice spire]

Ye I’ll be log watching today

Ones fire.

[gray crest]

Lmao

[grim jay]

Fire good now

[gusty mirage]

Fire very good now

[grim jay]

Its kinda

Somewhat

Blasting

ha

[green juniper]

I love living in a Turkey

imagine using vpn for wowhead

[grim jay]

In a Turkey

Inb4 people incoming "imagine not using a vpn"

[balmy condor]

Imagine not using a vpn

(I dont)

[mild dove]

i can top this- imagine having a paid VPN, but simply not using it QQ

i feel dum dum- but yeah

[spice spire]

Call me vpn

Because I’m never used

[storm forum]

maplestory down for maint now what do i do?

[gusty mirage]

stare at your wall

[gray crest]

Play Hogwarts legacy

[carmine dawn]

how do i get more shield2 dmg without any cooldowns

[grim jay]

Did you try pressing your buttons harder?

Kinda hard to judge with no background

[carmine dawn]

so true i guess we'll never know

[oak tangle]

Get ur group to drop it below 35% then get free dmg

[dreamy gull]

🚫

[midnight jungle]

Hey, New to the group and looking to improve, advice etc!

first question are crit, mast, haste caps or what i should be looking for?

[thorn fjord]

Wouldnt worry too much about secondaries

Crit Haste=Mast best options

[midnight jungle]

currently 9% haste 37% crit 40% mast

[thorn fjord]

Seems fine

Assuming your IL is around 400?

[midnight jungle]

yeah 402

i have an ungemed larit and was wondering what i should be trying to stack more of 🙂

[gusty mirage]

there are no caps

slap all your gear into top gear

and follow what that says

[midnight jungle]

Does that make suggestions on gemming if it's currently empty?

Sorry if I seem a little thick, I'm an old player returning haha we didn't have any of this sim stuff back then haha

[unreal bear]

i simmed myself and it wanted me to gem and enchant haste

so idk what that says about me

[midnight jungle]

Guess you need more haste🤷‍♂️🤣

[restive dawn]

You can pick out different gem options in Top Gear and then it will show you which combinations of gems are best given your current gear 🙂

[midnight jungle]

I'll check that out when I'm back 🙂 thanks for the advice 🙂

[spice spire]

Good luck friend

[brazen zodiac]

quake!

[thorn fjord]

Just dropped $400 on Big red rubber boots

what is life

[spice spire]

Hi

[grim jay]

If you are happy with it, I'm happy for you aswell

[spice spire]

I’m not (I enjoy hating)

[brazen zodiac]

sennarth has been defeated azeroth is saved!

[spice spire]

Huge! I’m proud of you

[thorn fjord]

Mistakes may have been made

[brazen zodiac]

im proud of U

i wish there was other ways of getting rep with the artisan consort without having to do world quests

doing 20 on 4 characters is no fun :C

[thorn fjord]

Gratz doood!!!

@gusty mirage Took us 101 pulls but we killed Dathea yesterday

[brazen zodiac]

pog

dathea starts next week :c

[thorn fjord]

Its really an easy fight

[brazen zodiac]

my raid leader asked me if i knew how to play outlaw :c

[thorn fjord]

The hard part is getting everyone on the same page

You can go sub for the add platforms

If they want you to go AoE

They had the other rogue go platforms playing sub in grp 1 and let me stay on Dathea platform the whole time playing sin

[brazen zodiac]

im the only rogue pog so

👍

i looked at subs talents once in SoD but that was it

[thorn fjord]

its a 4 button spec

i believe in you

[thorny pond]

104 yesterday too. Congrats!

[gusty mirage]

enjoy laser chicken prog soon

[spice spire]

Enjoy

[mild dove]

So - i got nerzuhls dagger which i can upgrade and got our BiS Dagger from the TW-chest ( which is 398 iirc ) should i still swap or just upgrade nerz dagger?

and also - IF im upgrade nerz dagger or swap - is it even worth it to get the 2nd Spark dagger ?

[spice spire]

Probably just upgrade nerz up to 415. And you still can, but it’s not a giga again for oh

[mild dove]

should add- im not a m+ fanboy- i litteraly just run 8 for the vault and forget about it till reset 🥲

[thorny pond]

We all act like we just have enough primal focus to slam for every crafted piece but it takes time. You can always sim it but as long as you have a nice MH, the OH doesn't matter as much

[spice spire]

Valor has been uncapped

So those little rat runs you guildies do on Alts

You can slam and upgrade a little quicker

[mild dove]

ahh well its the crafted dagger 405 ilvl so \o/

I know its uncapped- but i dont have the rating to upgrade to 13

[thorny pond]

I would go with the 418 if you have the resources then

[spice spire]

Ahhhhh

[mild dove]

nor am I fond of being thrown into M+ which I dont really enjoy

[spice spire]

Yeah

That’s fair then

[mild dove]

yeah, i hate teh fact that blizz kinda forces you to go for it

[spice spire]

I forget that I’m a certified rat key enjoyer

[thorny pond]

come help my rat spriest then

[mild dove]

well not forcing perse- but upgrading to 13/13 and swap M+ to set items...

[mild dove]

na sadly i dont have the matrix thingy to pump it higher than 405 😦

so im stuck with it for the time being

[thorny pond]

then M+ daggie it is

Weapon is the biggest

[mild dove]

yeah i know

also - should i focus on Tpieces > dagger ?

[timber basalt]

Mh is biggest upgrade

[mild dove]

cause i kinda feel like i should 13/13 tpieces > Dagger

[thorny pond]

if you have the tier

then it doesn't matter the ilvl as much

[mild dove]

well i can "recraft" those

from that turn m+ to set items thing

i mean- i love that blizz added this- but i just hate m+ XD

well- since i dont have the rating - Nerz be kept and the BiS Dagger is used for now ( i could literally just make it a 398 QQ )

[green juniper]

dude why I am losing my poisons everytime I change instances

[spice spire]

DTB bug

[mild dove]

If you stay with the group it doesnt eat them

for some reason

[gaunt moat]

DTB - Down T Breapply-poisons

[mild dove]

Down to Bermanetly reapply Poisons :U

[quasi pine]

So that's what dtb means after all!

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[dreamy gull]

this bug did not exist until now right

lol

i swear game gets buggier every patch

alex just disappeared

and i cant get the quest from her

tried relogging did not fix

[royal lantern]

yo, whats the spreadhseet with windfury/Pi dmg gains again

[gusty mirage]

no clue where it's floating now, but if you'd like to play coin flip I know bloodmallet has one now

[spice spire]

Last update to sheet was 31.01

[keen spruce]

there's a weakaura that you can just type !wpt and it'll spit out your best windfury group in your raid

[spice spire]

I have it one second

[gusty mirage]

fuu might have a link to it in the sub FAQ

[keen spruce]

and their rough dps gain

[vestal wren]

i don't, but bloodmallet should be okay

[royal lantern]

you blodmallet thing shows assa as 1 of the best Pi targets mate

[gusty mirage]

and it is?

[royal lantern]

i dont trust poopmallet at all

[spice spire]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

[gusty mirage]

PI is 7% for assassination

wdym

[vestal wren]

my sheet also has for rogue the values

[keen spruce]

assa is right behind UH and Pres

er dev*

[gusty mirage]

same shit dif simon says game

https://tenor.com/view/sml-jeffy-simon-says-game-playing-simon-says-gif-25676623

evoker rotation

in action

[keen spruce]

and those both get more value on pull or at high HP

[vestal wren]

but rogue is kind of a "gets wft" class

[keen spruce]

https://wago.io/25eQGGth5

[spice spire]

I linked the sheet

[keen spruce]

good WA

always puts assas

[gusty mirage]

your sheet is stinky

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Ur stinky

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

no

I showered today

with your dad

[spice spire]

Jokes on u, I know that’s a lie cuz he doesn’t shower in the mornings

[gusty mirage]

I never said this morning

idiot

why don't you social work your way to some reading comprehension

[spice spire]

Because he leave his house at 11 pm to work until 2 pm

Get woke buddy

I found the imposter

[gusty mirage]

he's in the EST timezone

its 2:35

[scenic kelp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fEAmWVCT7iMDN4qRhYW4pi
408 Icon + 415 Puzzle Box > 411 Grieftorch + Puzzle/Icon
Is that normal or the Grief isn't that good?

[keen spruce]

if the icon gets full value from other icons

then that makes sense

[spice spire]

Puzzlebox is like insane

[thorny pond]

All good things in life can be abbreviated "PB". Puzzlebox, Peanut Butter, Puss in Boots

PB is dumb strong though. God I hate that

[pseudo hamlet]

If only it was instant cast....

[peak bobcat]

A small price to pay

[midnight jungle]

What spec are you guys running in mythic+ I've been managing as assa only just..

[green juniper]

IC+DTB for me

[neon burrow]

Great time for 3 seconds of pooling energy before full send

[thorn fjord]

Pussy Bandit

[thorny pond]

Good one!

[dreamy gull]

How do I fok 8 enemies and generate 1 combo point

[spice spire]

Unlucky

sf failed

[subtle tundra]

skill... issue?

[thorn fjord]

Didnt pray to the RNG Gods well enough

[thorny pond]

Use Corrupting Rage

never 1 point again

[brazen zodiac]

yeah.. obviously.

[dreamy gull]

So for groups of mobs when you don't have IC up...
Generally just garrote biggest stuff without garrote active on it on cooldown, make sure the biggest 2-3 enemies are ruptured, and keep ct dot up?

Is that correct?

Spam envenom on your main target as needed to consume amp stacks

Just trying to make sure I have the right idea

[cobalt hemlock]

on mythic senarth can you shadow step every pull or no

[keen spruce]

you can technically

but some will put you in some weird spots

[thorny pond]

2nd platform pulls are weird. Hide pillar is fine. It's basically the spider's mouth

[outer cairn]

read fok as not fan of knives

[dreamy gull]

Also, if you open from stealth with garrote, then extend the dot during the pandemic window, does that cancel the 20% bonus damage on the origibal garrote's remaining duration?

So I should wait for the first empowered garrote to expire, then?

Alright

[frozen jasper]

If u could wish for one reasonable change/new talent to assa, what would it be?

[steel ridge]

One talent doesnt cut it

[summer matrix]

spec is an absolute clownfest ngl

and now we don't even have kingsbane

[pseudo hamlet]

delete exang and SnD
make CT do more dmg and make it non-talent(just stock for assa)

[royal lantern]

kurog finally down

fuck this DH with his 14m boss dmg

[thorn fjord]

Gratz

[royal lantern]

full 421 tier stuff on all slots now

[thorn fjord]

Nice i got gloves yesterday

[keen spruce]

welcome to the dathea pain

[past bobcat]

How do I sim PI in advanced sim? Anyone got the input

[drowsy parcel]

rasz down 192 pulls

[spice spire]

external_buffs.power_infusion=0/120/240/360

Change the numbers to timings you want

Like for sin, it’ll be 7/127/247 etc

[neon kindle]

So does arterial precision really not change anything for the M+ and raid builds?

[spice spire]

It changes exactly one fight

Council

[keen spruce]

makes council pretty nice tho

also is there still that issue where if you cast a 4th garrote coming out of stealth it "de-empowers" the first 3? I vaguely remember some issue with Shrouded in early BFA where there was a problem with that

like on 4 different targets

I'd assume it was fixed a long time ago but i don't 'member

[spice spire]

It’s been fixed

[turbid zealot]

is this correct? shouldn't puzzle box be used before exsang

just seems like a such a waste of shiv exsang

[magic vine]

doesn't snapshot mastery, and box only costs 1 gcd

[spice spire]

Look at the time stamps king

[earnest remnant]

but quake

thats half a gcd

[keen spruce]

such a waste

[spice spire]

True

Dm .400 later than possible

[earnest remnant]

.376

get it right man

[dreamy gull]

What's the addon that saves your logs

So you can review them

[neon kindle]

can someone explain the double rupture in the opener to me

kuz my brain hurty

[keen spruce]

pandemic extends the 2nd rupture

by like 8 seconds or somethin

to maximize exang value

[neon kindle]

what?

pandemic?

[keen spruce]

takes 30% of that first rupture and puts it on the 2nd

[neon kindle]

:O

so that works for all dots in the game?

[keen spruce]

ye

[neon kindle]

been playing since vanilla and i never knew this

[keen spruce]

that's why u refresh garrote and rupture with 6/8 seconds remaining under normal conditions

and only let them fall of completely when buffed by exang or improved garrote

[ebon notch]

quake slippin up bro

[spice spire]

About to be slippin in

If you catch my drift

[ebon notch]

hope i dont catch something else

[raw raft]

my guild went from an hour and a half reclear to not even full clearing last night

[dawn kelp]

Dragon dies tonight

[gusty mirage]

grats

[gusty mirage]

[dreamy gull]

I tried to LFR raszageth but after 45 minutes in queue I gave up

[modest crest]

Should I upgrade puzzle box max?

Will it be BiS in m+ and raid for awhile?

[keen spruce]

yes, yes

[coarse bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorny pond]

dawg

I carried dathea dps

"go aoe on brood"

[dreamy gull]

Ok

Ty

[slow osprey]

Anyone know what blessing of summer shows up as in logs?

[thorny pond]

ret dps

[undone wedge]

Okay, maybe slightly dumb, I am learning to play Sin now and was wondering when I exsanguinate do I let the speedy boi DoT drop then refresh or do I refresh at the last second for the uptime

[dreamy gull]

Let it drop off afaik

[slow osprey]

omg thank you I now know how to look for it. I couldn't tell if my Pally was using any blessing.

[velvet haven]

pretty pog week

[slow osprey]

ayyy beast, congrats

[velvet haven]

ty king

[undone wedge]

Very nice 😄

[velvet haven]

❤️

[slow osprey]

we just got down Terros and Sennarth on break and moving on after

[velvet haven]

terros was harder for this group then dathea

without dk's

kinda crazy

ig post nerf is a thing

[solid mica]

does feint work on sparks?

for rasz

[worn panther]

Raza sparks? yeah

[solid mica]

shit still puts me to like 30% da fuq

[worn panther]

Feint really does help on Raza to stabilize

even more on Sin since we don't play with any relevant Vers

[echo heath]

would you stay in a raid group if you didn't get a single piece of gear all tier outside of your vault and m+?

[short token]

is a bm hunter a better target for PI than assass on broodmother? even during exsang?

[worn panther]

Why wouldn't you, it's just bad luck, and if they are kicking ya cuz of gear, m+ get's you stupidly far fairly easily

[worn panther]

yeah they are a better target 95% of the time

[short token]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

would probably pi the assassination rogue for an exsang deathmark in execute, otherwise you don't get pi's

sin pi is like

[short token]

thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

4th in line

we have 3 priests and I don't get pi

[short token]

lol

[weak isle]

i got pi on kurog

[viscid spear]

cow pi

[oak tangle]

i'm 415 ilvl and the first time i touched mythic was last week in a pug. I haven't gotten (or needed to roll on) loot in heroic for like 4 weeks now. Unless the guild is actively trolling by being an asshole to you, i don't see why you should leave over not getting loot

[dawn kelp]

[echo heath]

well put

[distant fog]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[robust maple]

how come a 418 Darkmoon Deck: Dance sims 409 DPS higher for me than a 408 Controlled Current Technique (Kurog Trinket), yet I don't see nearly any used in the top 1000 ass rogues

[drifting cloud]

was found out really late the darkmoon deck is decent, it costs a spark