assassination

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Give me those moments back plz

[limber lion]

I was reeing that I'm almost full bis but I didn't have Eranog ring so nothing matters

[slow marsh]

It's just levels

[limber lion]

Yep, I miss those moments

Good thing Hogwarts Legacy is sick and fun

[slow marsh]

I want to buy it

But also I might buy a PS5 for it

[limber lion]

Would highly recommend

[slow marsh]

So my wife can partake

[limber lion]

It's really fun

[slow marsh]

So I've heard

[spice spire]

People enjoying games is just wholesome.
I love to hear it. Homes enjoying things

[slow marsh]

Are you enjoying your val entines day

[spice spire]

Nah I’m at work

I will later

(Not sexual innuendo)

[slow marsh]

So you're not enjoying your day cuz of work

[spice spire]

I mean it’s just another day

Until I surprise Val with the night picnic

[dreamy gull]

Maybe at 373 I'm ready to play mythic 0 without it being an awful experience

[slow marsh]

So uhhhh

I don't wanna burst the wholesome bubble

But mythic never gets not awful until you get a group

And even then

[spice spire]

Sometimes your rogue homie dies 8 times to hew

[dreamy gull]

We weren't even doing badly but as soon as someone died we had multiple leavers

In the last 2 times I tried

[slow marsh]

Sometimes people haven't ever done hov ever and didn't get a heads up on mechanics

And then dies 3 times legitimately and the other 5 are tank drive bys but I already established a pattern so there's no point arguing it

[spice spire]

He +2’d one before! We had faith!

[dreamy gull]

Maybe I should play sub idk
It feels like for a lot less effort I get much better DPS than sin

[slow marsh]

Yeah an 8 where you ignore everything and blast

[spice spire]

@wild lantern definitely had the intervention primed that run tho

She was quick scoping you

[dreamy gull]

Heroics are reaching the point where things die if you breathe on them

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

You’re in mythic territory brother

[slow marsh]

It's ok I didn't really care tbh. Once I established that I didn't know what was going on and was a liability I gave up

[spice spire]

You weren’t a liability

[wild lantern]

I was aiming for you, double rogues confused me

[spice spire]

Just a couple of oopsies

[dreamy gull]

I wish you could just use the dungeon finder for mythics
Would make the entire thing less of a headache

[spice spire]

You got it next time.
I just enjoy memeing

[spice spire]

Yeah applying to groups is rough but you’ll get there.
If you wanna try a mythic + I’d recommend it. Just a low one to see how it works

Tbh it’s one of if not my favorite mode in the game

[spice spire]

Why do u hate me

[brazen zodiac]

so ur an m+ kinda guy 😻

[wild lantern]

I don't, you terrorize me

[spice spire]

I’ve never terrorized in my life

Ur gaslighting me

[slow marsh]

I know but also it was true

[wild lantern]

I know for a fact you didn't type that with a straight face

[spice spire]

I always have a straight face

[slow marsh]

I know I'm a gamer so I can accept responsibility when I'm bad

[spice spire]

Did you just assume my preferences?

[wild lantern]

Ice I inted keys that entire night you were fine bud

like I was straight up mongoloid

[spice spire]

Brother you know how many times I fucked that key this season?

(It was a lot) because I never ran it

[gusty mirage]

I had to keep jez soulstoned

because she'd just flop over

but quake terrorizes her

[spice spire]

Blackvneck a real one

[wild lantern]

I changed my build it's fine

I don't flop anymore

[gusty mirage]

yea

[spice spire]

I do be terrorizing lightly

[gusty mirage]

pull the trash before 3rd boss in temple

like you did again

[spice spire]

But that’s when the rats come out

[gusty mirage]

lets see how much that build helps

[wild lantern]

THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SHOOT THROUGH THE WALL

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[drifting cloud]

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire we got 421 gloves to catalyze

[wild lantern]

IT'S A SIX FOOT THICK WALL WHY WOULD I ASSUME THOSE RAT BASTARDS COULD SNIPE ME LIKE A GODDAMN COD MASTER

[gusty mirage]

wahoo

[spice spire]

Listen man

[gusty mirage]

no daggie tho

[spice spire]

Any upgrade is a W

[gusty mirage]

ye

pretty bigly upgrade

408 -> 421

[spice spire]

I’m rocking dual 418s

I’m needing that icon

[gusty mirage]

want mine?

[spice spire]

Biggest upgrade possible for me rn

[gusty mirage]

I won't need it after raz is dead

ever again actually

[spice spire]

[raw raft]

a brood dagger and a grieftorch 2 weeks in a row

[gusty mirage]

if you stubbed your toe

I wouldn't be upset

just saying

I'd feel bad

but I wouldn't be upset

[raw raft]

hey this time it's deserved, it's my birfday

[icy iron]

https://tenor.com/view/bemy-valentine-will-you-be-gif-20341232

[gusty mirage]

happy birthday my dude ❤️

[spice spire]

Flower moment from @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

I didn't wish death on anyone

wtf

[spice spire]

Happy birthday tho

[raw raft]

thank you

[spice spire]

Mf wished for a stubbed toe

[gusty mirage]

flower literally told him to unalive himself

and I didn't wish for anything

I just said if he stubbed his toe, I wouldn't be upset

didn't they teach you to read in whatever rinky dink university you went to down there?

[spice spire]

That’s how u get ur doctorate down here

Learn to read

Bachelors only gamer

Sorry

[raw raft]

i need this grieftorch to keep my sanity for when my guild reaches pull 200 and people still die to the dragon frontal in p1

[gusty mirage]

we've got nicknames for bad deaths in p1 already

"getting exo'd" is getting hit with the laser

"getting lea'd" is standing in swirlies

and dying

[drifting cloud]

that wont be your face oxi in 100 pulls

[gusty mirage]

I'm already up to 100 pulls buckeroo

that is my face perma

[drifting cloud]

in another 100

[gusty mirage]

esp when I vanish shadowstrike myself off the platform

ty to whoever programmed the spell queue for the 3rd winds

much appreciated

[drifting cloud]

I double step looking at breath timer

[gusty mirage]

every pull, is a pull closer to being free from this shit game

so

we're vibing

[raw raft]

i die of cringe when our priest dies to his bomb every night

press fade challenge (impossible)

[gusty mirage]

casters and using their brain

the impossible duo

[drifting cloud]

hmm should be hard to die to bomb after nerfs

could also just be a healer thing

[raw raft]

like we're technically intermission gamers rn but half the time we get there like 6 people are dead so we don't get to prog anything

[gusty mirage]

seems like a brain thing tbh

[drifting cloud]

We had alot of deaths to bombs pre nerf its so cozy after

[gusty mirage]

I don't feint anything on raz

AMA

[drifting cloud]

A friends guild they barely move out with them compared to us

Everyone still running out same as pre nerf

[raw raft]

people in my guild do that too and people don't adjust and just die

and now this week we have people on vacation/not raiding anymore so it's gonna be reprog p1

[viscid spear]

[nocturne current]

Full offensive cooldowns man.

[royal lantern]

just have to finish this 4sec cast first bro, then i can move

[jolly niche]

hey guys, how do i sim to find out if i pick a item in the vault or get a socket ?

[nocturne current]

In the sim there's an option to chose the vault-version item and then you need to potentially add a socket to an item by clicking +

[gloomy stone]

Dumb question, does indiscriminate carnage work as an aoe silencer if cast from stealth? And how are the 10 yards counting, around myself or the target?

[jolly niche]

ok ty

[nocturne current]

It works as AoE and it's 10 yards from yourself.

[gloomy stone]

Ty

[outer cairn]

can't get an eranog ring or grieftorch to drop or show up in vault for nothing.

[sour citrus]

!gem

!gems

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spice spire]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[spice spire]

?

[sudden canyon]

!grippy

[slow marsh]

!slippy

[icy iron]

D: ❤️

[jolly niche]

bolstering is like enrage ?

[loud light]

not sure what you're asking, it's not a dispellable buff though- just when one mob dies it buffs the others around it for 25 seconds

[green juniper]

oh god do we have bolstering tomorrow

[loud light]

yeah it's bolstering volcanic

[green juniper]

so tanky boss, tanky trash..

[sand dirge]

is this dungeon slice sim with the idol legit?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5UsmdRUYLArd4g4djH9KN6

[frigid pilot]

boys, this is still the bis spec right?

also r u guys using crit haste or crit mast, haste is simming higher ST but will cuck my sub aoe keys etc.

[autumn frost]

I've seen some other specs with slight differences flown about.

As in warcraft logs

Best to sim, but that is the recommended spec.

Also just use crit mastery

the haste simming higher might not be much higher and it'll be better in aoe.

[gusty mirage]

just use crit mastery because fuck spending a bunch of gold for like 200-300 dps

[autumn frost]

also you can easily fix the imbalance with a pair of crafted rings.

get an extra set.

now that you can get lots of essence

[spice spire]

Rings harder to swing this tier

[gusty mirage]

y'all are dropping essences?

wtf

[autumn frost]

i've gotten two so far

[spice spire]

Since our best is two cantrip rings

[autumn frost]

i'm capped

[spice spire]

And If you have them gg

[autumn frost]

IN gear i can upgrade with essence now

[gusty mirage]

good luck getting diurna ring over a caster or healer or tank

[spice spire]

Brother I already got the fire ring

Melandrus is our other best

[gusty mirage]

that aint a cantrip ring

[spice spire]

Yeah it is

[gusty mirage]

nah

[spice spire]

Any additional effect on an item is a cantrip

[gusty mirage]

cantrip is a cool ability

[spice spire]

Extra melee damage? That’s cantrip

[gusty mirage]

nah

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

don't be using labels

making people excited about +150 to white swings

[spice spire]

It’s not exciting but it is an ability man

[autumn frost]

I mean by definition.... in dnd it's a cantrip

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[autumn frost]

it's not budgetted in the stat balance!

[gusty mirage]

is a passive an ability though?

[sand dirge]

is this trinket really that good in m+?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5UsmdRUYLArd4g4djH9KN6

[royal lantern]

what trinket is that lmao

[rare jackal]

what trinket is that

[gusty mirage]

that's one of the JCing trinkets

p sure

[spice spire]

Yeah, it’s a passive ability.
Any effect not budgeted in stat balance, is by definition a cantrip.

[sand dirge]

idol of the lifebinder

[spice spire]

It is

[gusty mirage]

what about my love for you? is that a cantrip?

[spice spire]

What input was modified btw?

[spice spire]

Yes because you’re never budgeted for me

[gusty mirage]

yo german is WILD

Juwelenbesetzter Anhänger der Steinwache des Hitzeschocks

but as for the trinket being any good

pretty sure since the buff they've been solid

[frigid pilot]

aight ill send it on crit mast

who needs 500 dps anyways

crazy to me that crit mast 418 crafed is only 135 above 415 high vers low mast raid belt

[sand dirge]

ye but 415 puzzle box vs 418 idol and the difference is 3,5k dps is more than solid and a bit weird to me

[gusty mirage]

well dslice is a 6 minute sim, and the APL holds exsang & pbox for the 3rd deathmark

so you only get 2 casts

[solid mica]

We've finally arrived where everyone wanted us boiz, hell yea

[slow marsh]

Classic

[gusty mirage]

hell yeah

down at the bottom with survival hunter

relegated to the dumpster because all we're good at is ST in a raid with more cleave than dolly parton

[solid mica]

Lol

Dolly be clappin'

[frigid pilot]

WAIT

is that right now?

no way man

[solid mica]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

it was a matter of time before the pugs stopped wiping to terros

and actually got to the real bosses

[frigid pilot]

LOL

terros inflating sin parses for 2 months

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

@vestal wren we playin sub now?

[solid mica]

Still trying to catch those bm hunters doing over 100k on terros

[vestal wren]

depends what channel you ask

[gusty mirage]

may I suggest our lord and savior shadowpriest?

imagine assassination ST

with free blade flurry

[frigid pilot]

true, when i see foreverguy online i say im outlaw so i dont get beat up

[gusty mirage]

just all the time

[frigid pilot]

[gusty mirage]

pretty cool

sorry

pre-nerf assassination ST*

[frigid pilot]

hello fellow sinister strike users

[gusty mirage]

let me correct that

[thorn fjord]

Gloom bladers

[solid mica]

You forgot about PI vamp embrace and a 20 second cc

[vestal wren]

you can find arguments for all 3 specs to be played

[thorn fjord]

In @vestal wren we trust

[frigid pilot]

everytime i get hype to play sub, i sim my gear and im 3k less than sin

then i cry

[gusty mirage]

I just needed pre-nerf sin ST & free ranged blade flurry

that was enough

the corpse is beaten, burned, and pissed on

the rest is just sprinkles

[vestal wren]

e.g. "single target damage is the only thing that matters, so why would you ever paly anything not assassinaiton"

[thorn fjord]

Possibly eaten

[gusty mirage]

man, miami is weird

[vestal wren]

^ there we go, you found your reason to play asssassination

[frigid pilot]

whats the statplot lookin like for ST sub

crit vers?

[thorn fjord]

Pretty much

[gusty mirage]

because you could play arms warrior, enhancement shaman, bm hunter, survival hunter, shadowpriest, frost mage, fire mage, uhdk, destro warlock, and devastation evoker

[thorn fjord]

Mastery too

[gusty mirage]

did I miss any?

[thorn fjord]

Crit mastery

[vestal wren]

well

[gusty mirage]

p sure aff lock is neck and neck with assassination as well

so you could always play that too

oh and arcane mage

can't forget about them

[vestal wren]

i think its a valid argument

but i remember getting flamed by some regulars when i made this the last time

[gusty mirage]

because that statement doesn't matter anymore

assassination does nothing well

[solid mica]

Imagine flaming fuu, cringe

[gusty mirage]

even execute

no more 3/3 zoldycks

unlucky

[frigid pilot]

for 2 months the biggest copium for sin rogues is boss dmg

[gusty mirage]

even the execute copium is dried up

[frigid pilot]

"check boss dmg"

[spice spire]

Used to be check boss damage

Now it’s always show me

[frigid pilot]

[vestal wren]

haha, idk if that matters ^^

but yes, i am also not super confident in balancing

[slow marsh]

Well yeah

[gusty mirage]

any lethality enjoyers in chat?

[slow marsh]

They're buffing feral for no reason

[gusty mirage]

because sub rogue apparently isn't one

shadowstrike doesn't work with lethality

[vestal wren]

tbh i think the dps impact from that is fairly low

nightstalker is the "big" one

[gusty mirage]

true

large 1.8%

[vestal wren]

and acrobatics

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

acrobatics or "how to remove 10% of your damage if you are not careful"

[frigid pilot]

@vestal wren i want to switch my lariat to vers mast for pvp, am i griefing my raid?

[gusty mirage]

don't forget how assassination's oversimming by 1% @vestal wren

because the sims take into account crippling poison

for lethal dose

[slow marsh]

You're playing sin so

[frigid pilot]

im sub now

[royal lantern]

oh w8 really?

[frigid pilot]

starting 2 mins ago

[slow marsh]

[gusty mirage]

really

[vestal wren]

i mean

my sims in the sheet for subtelty are also inflated

[frigid pilot]

oO

[gusty mirage]

our sims are inflated and we're still mediocre

[vestal wren]

shuriken tornado tier set bug was not in when i did the sim

so dungeon slice does sim marginal too high

[frigid pilot]

marksman hunter in a 20 AV put me in my place

felt bad man

[royal lantern]

5% buff

to deadly poison

[solid mica]

Maybe we should deflate them to get the frost mage/hunter treatment

[gusty mirage]

won't do anything

[frigid pilot]

shadow was midtier and they cried like they r unplayable

[gusty mirage]

look at this list

[frigid pilot]

same with ret

[gusty mirage]

sub and outlaw have 2 useless points

[gray crest]

Gotta start sand bagging the sims like hunters... Or warlocks...

[gusty mirage]

and only seem to get nerfed

[vestal wren]

to be fair we do snadbag on the list

[gray crest]

Or most other classes

[gusty mirage]

weird

[vestal wren]

assassination slightly too low

like 0.3%

[gray crest]

Gotta sub to a Patreon for that 0.3%

[gusty mirage]

until you factor in the 1% oversim for crippling

[spice spire]

Rogues really just locks in disguise

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

ye

[spice spire]

0.3%

[limber lion]

We should be below Ele at least

[slow marsh]

The orc + shiv changes would kind of cancel out the lethal dose thing right?

[frigid pilot]

i'd be sub since the start if i had timers memorized

[vestal wren]

switching tauren -> orc should be 0.3

thats what i mean

[frigid pilot]

popping dance right b4 kurog phases cus u forgot hes at 100 energy feelsbad

[vestal wren]

koji forgot to change race

[slow marsh]

Yeah then another .5 for shiv optimization

[vestal wren]

when updating the profiles

shiv optimization too

[limber lion]

Shiv optimization?

[vestal wren]

but wasn't that for multi targte

*target

[slow marsh]

Na it was just in general I thought

Not holding shiv 12s for DM or whatever

[solid mica]

They really out here tryna turn us into palpatines

[vestal wren]

ah, ye this one

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

i mean

funnily, i did quite some apl updates for sub (that are not merged yet because i need to re-visit some of it because it causes a loss in dungeon slice)

but all of the changes are for the builds that are not good

just to have them sim better/correct

or for non single target

[slow marsh]

Yeah I did the same for sin dance but it's still 2% behind. Still some things to further optimize I think but I doubt it'll come out to 2%

[vestal wren]

i usually don't like brute forcing, but i need to dive deeper into this

[frigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

fuu everyday

[vestal wren]

its version 2 of it

XD

this was v1

but as mentioned, the result of it did end up bad in dungeon slice

so i added add cleave and dungeon slice to it

but its exciting, because it means some talents will get a little closer hopefully

(even tho the sheet already used some experimental changes, so likely no real change)

the funny thing is, the change in the end might be fairly simple, i just try to find out where they apply

[frigid pilot]

at least sin is dominating AWC guys

dont need to be good in pve

[vestal wren]

tbh

i am surprised sin didn't get nerfed harder

but awc seems to be a bit of a shitshow with super short fights

[frigid pilot]

ye

[vestal wren]

when the winner is decided by who can burst the enemy faster

[frigid pilot]

cdew legit whining all the time bout rogues

https://streamable.com/pycbaq

[gleaming geyser]

and the brewmasters just walking around not giving a damn punching and breathing fire

[vestal wren]

people always whine about them if they are good

but i think oneshot metas are not fun

you have little to no option to recover

so the fight is decided way to quick often on small mistakes

[frigid pilot]

ima tell u rn

rogues r beast

but shuffle is aids when ur healer is dog

and ur survival is trinket/feint

and die when evasion on cd

on my dh i do the same dam as rogue (bit less burst) but way more unkillable

[spice spire]

#pvp

[frigid pilot]

recraft complete

[jolly niche]

Is whetstone better than whispering icon?

[spice spire]

That’s a sim question

And it depends on what content etc etc

[solid mica]

Rogues piss everyone off in pvp, so they whine and get us nerfed in pve

[vestal wren]

i think thats unavoidable, we are annoying by design

[gaunt moat]

nothing a lil' nerf can't fix

[solid mica]

Lol

[burnt star]

Rogue are annoying plz nerf

Meanwhile. A rogue isnt design to be a brawler like warrior

So u have to be annoying and cc a lot.. but then people whine. Its a complete circle

[subtle tundra]

touch grass

[vestal wren]

can do so when i am done with my simulations soon™️

[lost idol]

Is Manic Grieftorch a good trinket for assassin?

just got it, seems to do a lot of dmg and good stats

[storm forum]

Yeah it's good

[lost idol]

ah okey, ty

[vestal wren]

its good for all 3

[proper basin]

Hi, which one would you say fits better for M+? (DTB+IC)
Puzzle box 398
or
Windscar 411

I dont know which moment would be the best timing for the channel

[limber lion]

Windscar

Puzzle big burst fun yay but the channel is feelsbadman

Windscar fun big deeps without channel

[proper basin]

Raidbots keeps telling me Puzzle is better but idk man just doesnt feel right

[modest shuttle]

I think a Puzzlebox at the same ilevel would easily beat windscar

but thats just me

[autumn frost]

puzzle is just such a huge dam thing. which is also great for a tyrannical week like today

but ilvl is huge.

this week is tyrannical right? I always lose track of things

[spice spire]

Yes it is

[white orchid]

is there something wrong with sim? idk how my sim just dropped almost 2k after crafting cowl 418 up from 408 head, crafted 418 offhand dagger up from 411, and got a 415 cloak from Vault up from 402, and used some valor for small upgrade...before doing all this just today I was at 81k now im simming 79k lol

[wary ice]

Ilvl when comparing whetstone is deceiving cause no agi

[thorny pond]

Talents, targets, nightly vs weekly, etc

[brazen nimbus]

How is the raz pushback after nerf ?

[gusty mirage]

link the sim

[strange python]

for large packs and IC is down do you prioritize garrot or rupture spread?

[gusty mirage]

rupture

[strange python]

thank you

[thorny pond]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

[royal lantern]

why is this not a offical rh emote yet

[hollow river]

it's so good

[royal lantern]

you mean so cute

[somber fractal]

no rogue notes for the patch. lets go boyyyys

[cursive frost]

Was hoping for some buffs and reworks on assa tbh

[somber fractal]

my copium is that they are working on quality of life changes and an exsang rework for 10.1 still

[cursive frost]

^

[keen spruce]

got an icon

[frozen jasper]

Checking pins in this channel everyday waiting for some good news. Kinda quiet Right now. Better than negative changes though

[cursive frost]

At this point anything that isn’t a nerf is good news I guess

[royal lantern]

thats some peak copium

lmao

[subtle tundra]

holy fuck can they add ONE change to rogue to 10.0.7

so it atleast shows up

😠

[ebon notch]

Why didn't you go skiing

[royal lantern]

6% nerf to rupture cus of PvP or something like that, idk man

[subtle tundra]

i cant

i cant skii

[hollow whale]

Werent they gonna do something about exanguinate

[spice spire]

Soon™️

[drifting cosmos]

All devs on pally changes

Any tldr on pally update? That’s huge

Wall of talent changes

[ebon notch]

Have you ever tried?

[royal lantern]

mandatory ret paladin raidspot cus ret aura is a stupid af flat % dmg increase now

hf

not enough mandatory class spots, we need more, mandatory SPEC slots now

enh shaman, ret paladin, cant wait whats next when you need a survival hunter and a arcane mage in all raidteams

[drifting cosmos]

they might design a fixed raid roster eventually

Every spec all gets raid wide buffs sounds very nice!!

[subtle tundra]

yes

[ebon notch]

You should've gone

Would've been a sick vacation after prog

[subtle tundra]

nah it was limited spaces and i didnt want to drive myself

i dont like driving

its like 200km

one way

[magic vine]

highlander mode for raids 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cursive plaza]

Couldn't find in search. Was there a recommendation for wrist slot LW 418 or engineering 418? And if so likely best stat to put in for general use (m+)

[brazen zodiac]

doesnt matter which you cant put an embellishment on the engi bracers and most of the time they blow up on ur face so

[cursive plaza]

Figure the brez was prob worth it. And kinda interesting you can double stack a stat on em.

[carmine dawn]

how do i do more intermission 1 damage

[balmy condor]

You play sub

[carmine dawn]

i asked and they said no

is the play just rupture 2 targets, get out garrote, slam fok venoms?

[balmy condor]

Then no intermission 1 damage from you I guess

Ye

[carmine dawn]

figured

fml

such a shitty rotation

you think youd try bonespike maxing?

just get those out too i guess

[keen spruce]

proc poison bomb

[gusty mirage]

no

you're actually useless in p1 intermission

hope they enjoy that extra couple thousand boss dps

[keen spruce]

u just hide your p1 intermission damage with p3 execute dmg

[carmine dawn]

why does everyone flame

ryler said he swapped to assa for the kill

daps played assa

[gusty mirage]

I mean

they didn't need intermission damage

that's why they swapped back to sin

[carmine dawn]

we dont have hunters

ill just play outlaw

Siri show me outlaw rasz numbers

[vapid sierra]

LMAO

join us

[static mirage]

I’m pretty conflicted. Sim says dagger but my heart says very rare ring

[true pelican]

does your sim include flaring cowl

[gusty mirage]

you take ring

cause you'll kill brood tonight

and get the dagger

or just wait and see what happens in raid

if ring drops and you get it

ez

[keen spruce]

definitely a wait angle

[static mirage]

Ofc we’re rocking with a 408 version of the ring rn

[gaunt moat]

In a different timeline, that would be about Slice and Dice

I'm curious why can they only rework one spec at a time, considering they have several designers working on different specs

like, is the limiter testers and testing tools

[granite widget]

wasn’t legion without snd

[velvet haven]

the "very rare" ring that drops every week xd

[gaunt moat]

correct

that's why i'm harping on it 😄

holy crap.

I found an early draft of my legion assassination guide

Poison bomb used to trigger from rupture as well
but for like 10% chance
and it was crazy damage

Rupture used to be cooler

Vendetta increased all damage AND auto attacks

If you wanna check that relic for laughs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_mbuvAH1XKIxJhK3O-7BuMCwzrMVRik3ytbg3tOD1oo/edit?usp=sharing

[outer cairn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gleaming geyser]

vault / 10

[floral stone]

do you hold exsanguinate for deathmark or just send on cd and wait for them to naturally align?

[gusty mirage]

hold for dm

[floral stone]

kk ty

[dawn kelp]

tepid vers or corrupting rage for raz

[spice surge]

The fact that subs rupture is cooler than assas is pretty odd

[oak sky]

vers always

[toxic burrow]

That always irked me. They should have an entirely different dot to go with their shadow shtick.

[split basin]

I think they did have a shadowy rupture at in legion but It got changed back to reggular rupture

[keen spruce]

bottle #2 electric boogaloo

[limber walrus]

@balmy condor

oops

[balmy condor]

!ban @twilit venture spam link

thanks chiefs

y'all gamers

would've been faster

but I was mid pull

on spider

people trying to just focus boss

[coarse bear]

if fight is less than 6:30 I save second exsang/third vanish for the 4 min deathmark right?

[balmy condor]

yeah

holding for the 4 min is the norm

[coarse bear]

wait vanish is already good

okay sounds good

[balmy condor]

puzzle box + exsang for 4 min

[coarse bear]

seems like the 6 min ramp doesnt slow down til like 6:40 or so

[ionic fox]

So the strat for eranog is save potion of power for deathmark once he is below 35%?

[balmy condor]

and if it's like very specific timings like 6:30-7:30

[coarse bear]

yaya okay

[balmy condor]

then you send on cd

[vapid terrace]

why is wowhead vs faq opener dif? gar+BS+snd vs gar+snd+gar+rupt?

[balmy condor]

exsang vs no exsang

waiting on new visuals

[next lion]

for just downing the boss or tryna parse?

[ionic fox]

the top parsers so far the 2 ive looked at are

only fight i can't get above a 90 on for some reason lol

[balmy condor]

if you're parsing on eranog, it dies so fast you don't get another deathmark

[next lion]

its probably the best way i guess but people probably aren’t putting that much thought into min maxing first boss

[balmy condor]

so its worth holding everything for execute

[next lion]

that boss literally melts in a minute or so

[balmy condor]

our heroic kill was 1:20

lmao

[next lion]

i’m glad my guild isn’t that into parsing on clears

[balmy condor]

silly boss

[ionic fox]

even the top kills are using deathmark and exsang on pull but just saving pot

kills are 2:05-230

[next lion]

slacking

20x unholy dk = 30 second boss

[ionic fox]

reclear isn't fun if you aren't trying to gigablast

lmfao

[next lion]

its always ok cuz its rly quick for the most part

8 bosses in total is a nice amount

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, they've added cool things to rogue in general
but they've also been eating at things that made assassination dots special, specifically Rupture
There is a lot more emphasis on garrote

The unique qualities of our bleeds right now:
🔸 Give energy if target is poisoned
🔹 Improved Garrote (50% more damage) from stealth
🔸 Iron Wire
🔹 Can be doubled
🔹 Can have increased tick rate
🔹 Garrote can be applied to 8 targets
🔹 20% more bleed damage * ♾️

Almost everything is something that affects the bleeds
But the bleeds themselves don't really do or give anything interesting or proc something (apart from yellow points)

Now I don't know if I would say subs rupture is cooler, afaik they only apply to an extra target with replicating shadows
but it is very useful

[unreal parcel]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[atomic rune]

Anyone got any YouTubers who do 20+ keys as Assa? I can’t find anyone who just uploads full runs like other classes have.
Doesn’t even need to be YouTubers I guess just some homie that happened to make one.

[gaunt moat]

why would we shame ourselves like that

[atomic rune]

True

[spice spire]

https://youtube.com/@endwyr

This is all I can think of

Him or @subtle tundra

[atomic rune]

LMAO I’m watching his newest one now. I’ve seen the one from a few weeks ago already.

I just scroll through the Raider IO section and hope I see someone with a YouTube attached.

[plucky cargo]

Noob question - didn't see in FAQ: Does Shadow Dance give you the improved damage from stealthed Garrote as well?

[atomic rune]

Yes.

[gusty mirage]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[plucky cargo]

Ty Tuxedo

[weak horizon]

any tips for mythic sennarth? trialing with a guild and i played like shit on it

feels easy enough not to die, but keeping damage up in that fight is fkn hard

[gusty mirage]

have to abuse the adds to parse well

[vapid terrace]

are we viable PI targets?

[floral stone]

also just have to find your way to deal with each suck in, they're at the same time every fight, just got to learn when you can get yourself stuck on a rock etc... helps with uptime on boss

[keen spruce]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1732567904?t=2h36m25s

[gusty mirage]

yeah assassination is a decent PI target, but it has to be timed with exsang

[keen spruce]

except for getting yoinked over the rock on platform 3

this was kinda clean

[gusty mirage]

I mean you can step every single one

[keen spruce]

you can also run double step and ignore every grip

and use step to reposition

[gusty mirage]

you should be running double step

[keen spruce]

oh yeah i forgot

[gusty mirage]

mr. no exsang no puzzlebox

[keen spruce]

that's default

[gusty mirage]

okay I'm stealing that emote

[keen spruce]

it's a gud one

[gusty mirage]

+2 to shmeeps

[keen spruce]

that puts me to like -12

[gusty mirage]

I now will no longer shame you for not playing exsang or the box

[pastel onyx]

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna have to do it for heroic parses

cuz bosses die so fast

my build is only like 2-300 dps behind in 9+ minute fights

[gaunt moat]

Again neck and useless ring in vault.
unlucky.

[keen spruce]

oxi started it don't yell at me whispyr

[wide flame]

okay so how the fuck do I step mythic sennarth correctly

half the time I step her and end up underneath her

[brazen zodiac]

thats a bit aggressive

:o

[wide flame]

sorry

[brazen zodiac]

uhh just wait till ur falling, works every time for me

[balmy condor]

don't step on stairs

[wide flame]

so its only safe when she's stopped?

[fathom cove]

my sin vs sub sim:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xAYC6B5TBuQQDj9Jr93Gyq
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jW7xggxP3dfCbwJEn77YxC
sub +200 DPS, what is my sin missing for better ST?

[balmy condor]

I mean you can step whenever

but stepping on stairs

is just weird

[keen spruce]

if she's moving it will always put you a little further back than you'd think

[balmy condor]

you'll get put on stairs

and need to run up

it's recoverable though

[wide flame]

okay

[balmy condor]

let me find vod from last week

[wide flame]

would be much appreciated

[keen spruce]

i can pull it for your kill tonight whispyr if u have vod's enabled

[balmy condor]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1731591745?t=2h18m9s

[balmy condor]

I do

but

the vods take like a solid day to upload

cause twitch sucks

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/wack-thatswack-hannibal-burress-ericandreshow-gif-20565184

[woeful meteor]

Thats the same Sim 2 times

[fathom cove]

right sry

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xAYC6B5TBuQQDj9Jr93Gyq
edited

[woeful meteor]

in that case a puzzlebox

[vapid terrace]

for aoe, do we keep CT up just for the bleed?

[woeful meteor]

yes at I think 8+ targets you can start spamming ct

[fathom cove]

does that trinket alone really havae such a huge impact?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[static glacier]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

okay 600

on 10min

[peak basin]

Is Puzzle Box or Maelstrom better trinket for H Rasz? My other is Hunger Pack so I want to choose between the two.

Whetstone**

[woeful meteor]

Box

[granite widget]

i got a 421 box in vault but i think im gonna take socket

socket bigger jump than 415 -> 421 box

[green juniper]

Mfw at work wont be able to see my vault for a while..

For sure i have 421 eranog ring

[balmy condor]

man sees bis in vault

and takes a socket

insane

real

[granite widget]

i havent done it yet but lie

no meme socket just sims better

like long term 421 box yeah

im also not playing sin for any more raid fights

[balmy condor]

take a socket next week then nephew what are you doing

how is this even a consideration

[granite widget]

i havent done it and

it hurts to pass up box

[storm forum]

you can get a socket whenever, but you never know if youll ever get another box

[charred wraith]

why do you need puzzle box if you can just booooon

[storm forum]

both

[balmy condor]

[granite widget]

im just thinking

i wont play sin on raszageth (unless the nerfs change that? i dont think so)

so its only for farm parses ??

and box is not upgrade for anything but sin

[charred wraith]

box is decent for all the specs

technically its an alternative to boon on sub

[granite widget]

yea but im just gonna run torch boon

granted im not there yet but like

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bYcF2wUz4hhu4CChk5AqPV its only +218

socet is ~400

[keen spruce]

so just take a socket next week

[royal lantern]

stop thinking about longtime gains

unleash your inner CEO and only give shorttime stuff attention

lets not take the BiS trinket that is pure rng to get on that ilvl, cus a socket that you can take every single week sims slightly more

[keen spruce]

even I would take a 421 box

[celest ruin]

take the socket and ill take your box

[keen spruce]

[summer briar]

had to choose between 421 mace with critt/haste or this, iv learned before to not neglect bis trinkets, and wep with haste only simced like 70 dps more from my 418s

any bis trinket dropping over 420 , ill take it instantly, i still remember not taking unbound channeling trinket in mythic first week in shadowland , and i never saw it again on my priest ..

[lucid mirage]

Do we thistle tea on pull or only when bottoming out energy

[mystic zenith]

Puzzle box is pretty insane. Like it might even be used for a fair bit into next teir imo.

At 421 that is

[keen spruce]

you use one charge in the opener to get it on CD and get the benefits. check the openers in the faq for when. Other then that you just don't want it to cap on charges or u can use anytime on low energy

[summer briar]

is it mostly 2 builds beeing runed in Vault ? most fights Dragon-Temp singel target build with Arterial/carnage on council ?

[shrewd night]

God I love sockets so much. Thank you daddy blizzard.

[keen spruce]

yeah pretty much

[grim jay]

I mean, there are addons to move bars so you could just add a whole row next to it and enable the option to hide unused slots

So it prolly would mess some stuff up and you wouldnt need to weirdly adjust your UI

[iron drum]

hmm, if i have 402 twisted loam shoulders already, should i stil take a 408(11/13) tier from vault, id basically be giving up tier helmet for flaring cowl in that case

was eyeying hunger, but im using 398/395 grieftorch/controlled current already

[balmy condor]

you should take the tier shoulders

so you can drop the tier helm for flaring cowl

you don't want to equip tier helm

[iron drum]

aight guess cowls just that good even without ring

[balmy condor]

yeah

[flint tusk]

Hmm not sure i like this.
So second big 10.0.7 ptr notes.
And rogues still have absolutely zero changes.
Gone from nerfed/changed every week since launch to nothing at all in a content patch.

[quasi pine]

I'm okay with it, I dont want a nerf for nothing

[autumn frost]

They said they would rework exsanguinate

[quasi pine]

Yeah but maybe not for 10.0.7

[balmy condor]

exsang rework and class tree rework in 10.1 for sure

flying daggers rework

[quasi pine]

That's some big copium

[grim jay]

Inb4 they feel pressured to do the rework, do it and it ends up worse

So its another nerf

And everyone is sad in general

Not just bcs they hit a button every 3 min

[steel ridge]

yeah its often like this for rogue

either means we are deleted or got something brewing

[flint tusk]

Yeh that’s what has me worried. Pretty much anytime we see rogue now. We’re either going to the dungeon for the rest of the expac or we actually have playstyle changes.

[steel ridge]

in due time, it will come

[inland sable]

Hello here,
Just checked on bloodmallet after opening my vault.
There are not many difference between 415 and 421 for AA box trinket in ST sim.
Should I take it or go for an other bis wrist in the vault ?

[steel ridge]

disregard bloodmallet, simyoself

and TAKE THAT BOX

[inland sable]

Lmao 😂 don’t bluff me
421 crit mastery waiting too

[steel ridge]

bis wrists are diurna tho

[inland sable]

Wrist *

[steel ridge]

424 crit mastery

[inland sable]

True

[grim jay]

Bloodmallet is kinda wonky and simming yourself is better 99% of the time

[inland sable]

Do you press on box trinket like in the guide Just after reprimand ? Or before deathmark ?

[grim jay]

Except if you pick stuff for future upgrades

[sick aspen]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

yes

[inland sable]

thanks

[lusty surge]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[brazen nimbus]

How is the pushback om raz after nerf? How much did it get nerfed?

[lusty nacelle]

are diminishing returns on stats when your character screen shows 30%, or when the amount given is 30% (when you mouse over it says [+30%]?

to clarify: I'm at 37.xx%, but the critical strike stat is only giving me 27%, am I in diminishing returns now, or will I be only when the 27.01% hits 30?

[grim jay]

30% through statpoints

Tho we dont care for DR anyways

[lusty nacelle]

the sims care

[keen spruce]

there aren't hard/soft caps

[lusty nacelle]

raidbots is telling me to swap all of my gems from crit/mastery to haste/mastery

[keen spruce]

for how much of a gain

[grim jay]

Yeah they do, but you will still go above 30% and you dont have to do anything for Sims to adjust

[keen spruce]

exang + puzzle likes haste

but not like that significantly

stat weights are fluid, if you wanna spend a much of gold regemming for a couple hundred dps then i guess you could

[lusty nacelle]

I'm about to re-craft some stuff up to 418, and I was gonna swap the missive to haste/mastery

[grim jay]

Just sim the crafted item/s with haste/mastery

If they sim better its better

No reason to get a headache over DR

[keen spruce]

also the reason your character sheet says +27% is that is the bonus crit from you gear

[balmy condor]

I also wouldn't bother changing out all your gems and enchants and shit just to swap stats around tbh

the difference usually ends up being marginal at best

[lusty nacelle]

thanks all, gonna stay the course

[astral comet]

Guys when is the second exang used? is it kept from the 4 min deathmark or used on cd?

[willow sundial]

depends on kill timer

[limber lion]

We guzzling now boys

[rocky ruin]

if you can with dm and puzzle box

[keen spruce]

generally hold till 4m with deathmark

along with puzzle box

[astral comet]

ok so its exang withe every puzzlebox

[keen spruce]

there are some specific kill times that you could use exang on CD for an extra usage

but for the most part

just hold till 4m

[astral comet]

hmm ok

btw puzzlebox is also held too right

[keen spruce]

yeah for the same reason

[astral comet]

alright cheers

[keen spruce]

basically exang is complete hot dog water without deathmark

[brazen nimbus]

421 bis boots in vault

419 EQ pog

[keen spruce]

and puzzle box lined up with all of it is better than just using puzzle with no CDs

[astral comet]

i see

a 3 min button that is dogshit without other buttons is kind of cringe tho ngl

[keen spruce]

pretty much

[mild dove]

Tier set Helmet for 2 piece or Cowl ? ( i have both practically done - 1 in vault 1 already crafted ) QQ ( i have the eranog ring already )

[balmy condor]

cowl

just catalyst the other piece

[mild dove]

however that works - i literally just started 2 weeks ago QQ

[balmy condor]

would look it up :P

[mild dove]

yeah i have to haha

is it any item i can smash into it to transform into a set piece ?

besides crafted gear- atleast it reads like that - pheew

[balmy condor]

yep, just as you said

good practice to use mythic+ gear, because it retains the valor upgrade stuff

so if you just grab any random chest piece from a +2

[mild dove]

ohh

[jade abyss]

Yesterday i get my cos ring finally

[balmy condor]

you can valor that sucker all the way to 415 eventaully

[balmy condor]

[mild dove]

so technically you could 13/13 for highest Ilvl and get the ilvl equiv for the set ?

[balmy condor]

the set doesn't grow with ilvl

[mild dove]

i got eranog ring from the heroic weekly event thing

[balmy condor]

it's just a flat bonus

[mild dove]

ahh okay

[balmy condor]

but you get the stats from the ilvl of the gear, yes

[mild dove]

guess i have to force myself to do more M+ then

[balmy condor]

it's an endless supply of 415 gear now that valor is uncapped

[mild dove]

getting the hang out of it- and having more fun- with assa in general

[balmy condor]

also primal chaos is needed to craft stuff

[mild dove]

yeaaah thats true

but im a 8-10 m+ key andy cause i want to have it ultra chill

[balmy condor]

so you could just spam m+ until your eyes melt and be 416ish

[jade abyss]

[mild dove]

i mean running 8 for the vault was quite fun

up until the point where you realize the lowest gets counted aswell, and the last slot literally fucked me over. basically was 390ish 395 and all of a sudden it droped to like 382 - hAHAH

[balmy condor]

this was my guildmate last week

I think he did end up getting the last four +20 nokhuds

[jade abyss]

I misd the nokhud key

[mild dove]

man i would die in 20 keys

i can pump dmg with cds and 8mobs with carnage n stuff

but it seems random pug m+ just dont care

so most of the time i have unstealthed garrote caranges- but it gets you going i guess !

[balmy condor]

yeah and that's okay

restealths aint that important

[mild dove]

also, THIS is the most accurate representation of me and M+ dungeons

'twas cool in Legion- but i just cant get to terms with m+ dungeons i dunno why.. besides the 8 weekly.

[ornate topaz]

-.-
...sims +1500dps for both dungeon slice and patchwerk for me so I guess...

[balmy condor]

how bad do your other trinkets have to be for that thing to be +1500

[ornate topaz]

I have Whetstone 415

[balmy condor]

okay, not great

not bad either

[ornate topaz]

the other is CCT

[balmy condor]

what ilvl cct?

[ornate topaz]

408

[balmy condor]

ouch

yeah okay

makes sense

you got ilvl gapped

[ornate topaz]

y

no luck for trinkets in my vault now

[balmy condor]

[ornate topaz]

this one was a big bummer seeing it there 😄

[ornate topaz]

i think the only reason why it sims that much higher is cuz of that agi... 😄

[balmy condor]

bad trinket luck is a terrible thing

[ornate topaz]

to be honest I used my luck at the start 😄

[balmy condor]

I've taken sockets from vault for 5 weeks

:)

[jade abyss]

What is cct? 😅

[balmy condor]

controlled current technique

kurog trink

[jade abyss]

Ah that auto attack pew pew thing xS

[boreal niche]

any better builds for tyran weeks or still just dtb build ?

[balmy condor]

same build

[jade abyss]

Is the nokhud trinket a big deal? In comparrison with cct?

[balmy condor]

I don't know what the trinket from nokhud is

so I'm gonna say no

[tiny finch]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[jade abyss]

xD

[royal lantern]

some passive aoe dmg iirc

[tiny finch]

so that means if i dont reaply my stuff on the pandemic windows i lose dps?

[royal lantern]

idk

[tiny finch]

or is it just a "quality" of life to get more dot uptime?

[balmy condor]

you refresh normal dots anytime in the pandemic window, empowered dots you let run out

but if you're letting rupture/garrote drop off always before reapplying, you're losing ticks, yes

[tiny finch]

Ah perfect

i noticed that my dps improved by a bit on pulls that i religiously reaplied stuff on the pandemic windows

helped me to focus on my rotation plus the fight as well

[balmy condor]

that's what its there for yep

[tiny finch]

really enjoin ass this expac. the ambush proc helps with the downtime windows. even if we pool energy.

• serrated bone spike as well

[quasi pine]

Wait, i'm not sure but I think I did something wrong since the start, when using the kyrian cov ability, if i'm ATM at 3cp and the kyrian goes UP TO 4cp, if I use like rupture at 3cp, does it count as a 7cp use?

[balmy condor]

it empowers the slots

so when you use it, it empowers 2, 3 and 4

[quasi pine]

i'm so cringe

[balmy condor]

you need to use a finisher on those slots

it'll count for 7cp, and use that slot

[quasi pine]

I play it like i have to do slots in order (4/3/2)

[balmy condor]

you then repeat until no more blue cp

oh

yeah no

any order

as long as you use all 3

[quasi pine]

Like it doesnt change a lot from what i'll do cause i use all 3 anyway

But I understood it wrong

it's a lot "simpler" to use like this

and I know understand why the opening is like this

[tiny finch]

do mastery have a mini breakpoint for our current build? sims are telling me to go haste on gear. i read somewhere that the new exsang build uses a bit of haste

[balmy condor]

stats ebb and flow

it's not a breakpoint

it's just relative values between stats changing

[tiny finch]

i imagine haste not only helps with autoattacks but the dot ticks as well right?

[balmy condor]

yep

[tiny finch]

• energy

nice

[balmy condor]

the energy is like

SUPER pathetic though

you will never notice it

[tiny finch]

yeah the only time i really notice any energy improvement is on hero windows

[royal lantern]

hero is 40% right

[shrewd night]

Im getting terrorised by not having better trinket in my second slot than a 415 whetstone

Tomorrow is the day

[balmy condor]

yeah, lust is big

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

you'll notice that

[royal lantern]

thats ~4energy

[balmy condor]

but like

gear wise

you won't notice it

[tiny finch]

yeeee

[royal lantern]

ye

like, 10%haste is 1more base energy reg and maybe a 0,something from more bleed ticks