assassination

[gusty mirage]

That’s pretty cool

[keen spruce]

do u have a trusty dk u can step to instead?

[gusty mirage]

No I tried that

And he fucked up his DA

And we both died

[keen spruce]

"fucked up his DA"

[spare bobcat]

Can't you just place a pool in melee range and just get in during blowback?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/mailchimp-nervous-stressed-stress-panic-gif-16618440

[gusty mirage]

There aren’t any in mythic

[keen spruce]

no pools

[spare bobcat]

Oh mythic

[gusty mirage]

Just want this boss to die asap

I can taste my freedom

[spare bobcat]

Y'all are more patient than I'll ever be

[drifting cloud]

Asap hehe

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-25824935

[keen spruce]

u can taste your reclears and carry sales

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I mean I’m being realistic

We’re like a month away from any serious prog

[drifting cloud]

Not that long

[gusty mirage]

P1 is getting better

We’re almost to p1 intermission

[keen spruce]

p1 and p1 intermission hardest parts tho

[gusty mirage]

[oak tangle]

a mage in a guild normal run told me the beam followed them and they had no way to dodge it

[drifting cloud]

When you get out of i1 with everyone alive multiple times in a row youre more than halfway there

[spare bobcat]

lawl if only there were something they could do, even if that were true

[gusty mirage]

Yeah we limped into p1 intermission with like 4 people alive

[keen spruce]

that beam is like 3 pixels wide

mages only get hit by it cuz they glue their nuts to their rune of power

[gusty mirage]

I watched KirbyAu walk into the beam last night

That was kinda funny

[keen spruce]

it's also like a 3 second cast

[drifting cloud]

Think boss is gonna clap guilds around your wr oxi

[keen spruce]

and there's an enormous ball of lightning in the bosses mouth while she screams at you

[drifting cloud]

Depends when next nerfs

[oak tangle]

i mean they are a pure casual player and enjoy the game for different reasons. but like own up to it. game didn't troll you

[gusty mirage]

Oh yeah they’re gonna start falling

We at least have realistic expectations

One more reclear until we get skip

[keen spruce]

these new trials in my guild will get us back on track to get through dathea and brood quickly

[gusty mirage]

Then it’s eggnog, brood, raz until raz deadge

[keen spruce]

CE still in reach

[drifting cloud]

Next set of nerfs prob buries her

[gusty mirage]

I hope not

The boss is fine tbh

[keen spruce]

last set was like everything it needed

[gusty mirage]

Maybe nerf the damage on some of the shit

[keen spruce]

except maybe a nerf that doesn't require priests to be taxi'd around by evokers

[gusty mirage]

But I think it’s very fair

Mechanically it’s fair as duck

Fuck

[keen spruce]

P1 intermission damage probably next to get nerfed

[drifting cloud]

Trust me you didnt wanna do p1 before this set of nerfs

[keen spruce]

so one cast going off doesn't decimate your platform

[drifting cloud]

It was hell

[gusty mirage]

I believe it

But right now it seems super fair

Idk

Kinda like jailer pre-destruction

It was fine

[spare bobcat]

When Did P1 get nerfed? My guild is stuck on H Raz on the night I don't even raid. Hoping they start EZ clearing it so they can fit it into the 1 night I raid

[drifting cloud]

Gonna have to be more specific he got nerfed alot

[gusty mirage]

The last set

When they announced s4

We almost had him but ran out of time and we don’t OT

Roll in on reset first pull was a 3% wipe lol

[drifting cloud]

Did you know he used to have a mythic phase!

[hybrid summit]

I am sorry if I'm posting in the wrong thread but does anyone know about the shiv bug currently being used a lot in PvE?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I saw it before the nerfs

[gusty mirage]

There’s a shiv bug?

[drifting cloud]

Jailer in s4 was comedy

[gusty mirage]

Soaks fucking up the bombs and making the MCs into Usain Bolt

[hybrid summit]

Apparently assa has some sort of shiv bug being abused in PvE at the moment

[gusty mirage]

That’s news to me

[keen spruce]

elaborate

[neon burrow]

📝

[gusty mirage]

You still have to play puzzle box

[hybrid summit]

there was this guy in m+ playing assa who did insane damage with shiv but he didn't wanna say more than that it was a bug

thats why im asking here

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

i think he was fuckin with you

[magic vine]

lol

[hybrid summit]

but the damage was unreal for shiv

[gusty mirage]

He was probably playing the new talent

[magic vine]

imagine trolling a pub with ttb

s tier content

[gusty mirage]

Which I mean

Yeah

[keen spruce]

did he have this

and tiny toxic

[gusty mirage]

His boss damage was prolly trash

[hybrid summit]

oh yeah those I know about but I am sure there was something else to it

[keen spruce]

by unreal do u mean about 2000% more

if i have to get off maple story to go do bad shiv science

i'm just gonna go to bed until someone smarter figures it out

[light spear]

hmm shiv more, okay

[keen spruce]

but i'm psure he as just fuckin with you

[hybrid summit]

so apparently raz talked about it as well

[magic vine]

its 4 additional so it makes it hit 5 right?

[keen spruce]

oh yeah

so 2500%

[magic vine]

:$:

[keen spruce]

see i already started

[keen spruce]

can u screenshot details from the dungeon

[royal lantern]

nah, the played AP+ttb and thats it, shiv will be high up in your dmg then

[keen spruce]

for his dmg breakdown

[royal lantern]

the thing is, it still sucks lol

[magic vine]

well, its better than dropping exsang technically

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

you know what is also better than dropping exsang?

you dropping those pants cutie

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

that took you longer than it should have

[oak tangle]

i was late reading it

[spare crow]

[oak tangle]

i wish i didn't have to use generators

just cast everythin with a 1 cp garrote

[keen spruce]

is that thing that gives you combo points when your party members crit gone completely from all specs?

idk why that made me think of that

[elder creek]

In outlaw i can cast puzzlebox and not break stealth but in assa i instantly go out of stealth, anyone knows what causes this ?

[keen spruce]

haven't heard of it

[spare crow]

Are you trying to prepull the puzzlebox?

or wat

[keen spruce]

maybe when they fixed grappling hook taking you out of stealth they gave outlaw super stealth

well yeah you shouldn't puzzle box from stealth anyways

but that is kinda weird

[elder creek]

@spare crow just playing M+ and in outlaw i would just cast puzzlebox and never break stealth for Subterfuge stuff but i noticed in assa its instantly breaking it which sucks hard

[spare crow]

why does it suck? You don't puzzlebox during stealth anyway and you don't play subterfuge on sin cause it does virtually nothing

[elder creek]

im not playing subterfuge on sin

and when do u puzzlebox then >

i assumed at start of pull with carnage and everything

and just send Deathmark right after

[spare crow]

You puzzlebox after exsanguinate according to simc

[elder creek]

I dont run exsang in M+

[spare crow]

then dm

[keen spruce]

yeah no stealth puzzles

[elder creek]

Yes but why does outlaw get away with it

thats what surprised me

[keen spruce]

u stand there with your box hangin out for everyone to see

[elder creek]

either bugged or some super stealth going on ye

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean i have no idea but if i had to hanker a guess

[elder creek]

I know its not good for outlaw but gearing up so used it for a bit ^^'

[keen spruce]

it would be that this started happening when they fixed the grapple hook bug

and it's unintended for outlaw

[elder creek]

its pretty nice QoL

[keen spruce]

again that's a complete guess

[oak tangle]

small

indie

company

[keen spruce]

like most of the advice I type in here

I had to start saving a disclaimer that I can copy paste to people that dm me

[elder creek]

noice haha

[keen spruce]

that nothing I do is correct and you shouldn't copy anything in my WCL

[elder creek]

Ty anyway tho !

[fading mason]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[keen spruce]

oo i forgot to wowanalyze yesterdays reclears

updated wowanalyzer makes me moist

[fiery quartz]

What % haste should we aim for at relatively high ilvls?

[keen spruce]

oh actual question. for council, i'm assuming it's just normal IC opener and use shiv like you normally would when talented into AP yes?

[keen spruce]

you shouldn't aim for stat %

[oak tangle]

aim for stats like you aim for the toilet bowl

[keen spruce]

shouldn't***

crit-mast-haste all good crit mast a little better generally

sim to find optimal setup for your gear

just avoid vers and be happy

[keen spruce]

so pee in the sink?

[vague widget]

I hate to ask this question, I do not have a diurnia ring, I have had no luck on shoulders whatsoever, should I convert a 415 helm to complete 4 set in the interim while waiting on a shoulder drop? I have not crafted cowl yet.

[royal lantern]

always pee in the sink

[royal lantern]

would just get a shoulder

like, cowl is a good embelishment by itself allready

[keen spruce]

how many catalyst charges do you have

[vague widget]

In this case I have 2 unused.

[keen spruce]

then yeah just catalyst helm

then catalyst the first pair of shoulders you get and craft and flaring cowl

[vague widget]

Thank you guys.

[keen spruce]

if you need the power rn

catalyst helm feels bad

but like if you literally have NO shoulders

and you've got extra charges on cat

[vague widget]

379 it's a nightmare.

[keen spruce]

then like why not i guess

oh so u do have shoulders

just catalyst those

and craft flaring

[vague widget]

They are a world quest item and cannot convert otherwise I would have

[keen spruce]

then what i said first

[vague widget]

😂

[keen spruce]

valor uncapped next week

so you can always juice your gear through that later

if you really want the 4set power now and have the cat charges to spare

then why not i guess

[vague widget]

Fair enough argument for me.

[keen spruce]

wait like

5 min tho

[nocturne current]

I feel bad for being at the point I'm only wasting my catalyst to get the transmog.

[keen spruce]

cuz someone smarter normally comes in here and explains why im' wrong

[keen spruce]

i did that today for a belt

[teal iris]

arent we at 4 catalyst charges next week?

i feel like you can use them pretty freely at this point

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean once you have 4 set you're kinda just using them for better statting

which for assas is transmog

cuz all of that raid stuff is dookey

[nocturne current]

I nerfed myself 100 DPS just to get the boots.

[teal iris]

ye or if you used it on 415 pieces and get 421 or speed/leech/avoid from vault

[oak tangle]

i was free to use my catalyst points from the day they were introduced, much luck, many tier drops

[keen spruce]

yeah but if if the 421 is from the vault that means you have a new cat charge as well

[teal iris]

yea true

[keen spruce]

so like, as soon as you have a week that you don't need it

[teal iris]

1 charge a week is so nice tbh

[keen spruce]

you can kinda just send it on whatever

[teal iris]

no fomo

[keen spruce]

i used my first one to make my 411 tier into 415 tier

the rest is tmog

[teal iris]

ive only gotten a single tier piece natty and its a helm

[keen spruce]

I was given a chest piece in heroic like...

6 weeks ago or something

the rest is vault

been very lucky tho

got heroic CCT on the first heroic dugeon weekly

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nQDRJDgA6hfLiVFUqU3WnG

[keen spruce]

haven't had to take a socket

and got a bottle

yo that's kinda juiced for 411

[teal iris]

not even fire ring

[oak tangle]

yeah 3 sockets, and basically anything that isn't tier gear is crit/mast

[keen spruce]

have u simmed haste gems and enchants

[oak tangle]

taken that signet with me since a m+2

[keen spruce]

i know for my gear exang+puzzle really likes haste

[keen spruce]

i was wondering why so much of your m+ gear isn't upgraded

[teal iris]

gonna fly to the moon with the uncap next week

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna finally upgrade my puzzle box cuz it's literally the only thing i can

[spice spire]

I have five things to upgrade next week

[keen spruce]

o i could to whetstone first

for pirate

[teal iris]

i need to upgrade like 5 pieces from 402 to 415

gonna be a grind

[keen spruce]

just spam +2 ruby's

[spice spire]

I have a long haul offhand from 389

[keen spruce]

wot

[violet jackal]

Can’t wait to full send valor on my puzzle box with leech

[teal iris]

they shouldve made the +16 crafting things acc wide next week too

[spice spire]

It has avoidance

[teal iris]

to encourage 16+ grinding instead

[spice spire]

And my oh is 402

Could just craft the 418 offhand

[keen spruce]

yeah

just go get a bottle

[spice spire]

No need

Have the free spark

And the free focus

Just chilling

[keen spruce]

???

but y

[spice spire]

Outside of oh? Not much needed

Belt boots

Better trinket ig

[keen spruce]

no terros daggie?

[spice spire]

We’re progging mythic rn

[teal iris]

engi bracer

[keen spruce]

annoying prog fight

[spice spire]

Yeah I had a moment in raid last night

[keen spruce]

cuz rogue immortal and u just gotta wait for healers to figure their shit out and dps to use defensives

then boss dies

and we're just walkin around not takin any damage

[spice spire]

It’s dps rn

Healers are doing well

[keen spruce]

oohhh

das tough

[spice spire]

Ranged auto clearing

[keen spruce]

maybe if u crafted a 418 oh

[spice spire]

Melee off in narnia not where we’re supposed to be

[spice spire]

Real

[keen spruce]

u'd beat the dps check

[spice spire]

I overwrote my Exsang garrote 12/14 pulls

[keen spruce]

i caved and tried exang yesterday

[spice spire]

We were chuckling

[keen spruce]

and forgot to equip puzzle box

[spice spire]

[oak tangle]

why raidbots not let me sim gem combos

[keen spruce]

how many combos

oh u mean like

[magic vine]

all the combos

[keen spruce]

mix and match

diff gems

[oak tangle]

not that many, but they told me i needed to select a change or something

[keen spruce]

oh just click 2 talent sets

[oak tangle]

yeah did that

[keen spruce]

o

uhhhh

[oak tangle]

but only after afking for 5 thinking it was simming

[keen spruce]

raidbots dum robit

for council, i'm assuming it's just normal IC opener and use shiv like you normally would when talented into AP yes?

[oak tangle]

still not letting me sim it 😦

[keen spruce]

clear browser cache?

[oak tangle]

am i meant to do gear compare

or top gear

[keen spruce]

for gems

top gear

dm me your simc string i try

wut gems u want

all but vers?

[oak tangle]

sure

[keen spruce]

yeah workin for me

standby

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xhy1zf5n8EmSCZ7uLfF7H7

just as i suspected

it doesn't matter

[oak tangle]

nice

thanks

[frigid pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6PjZ2UCo24FSWBVXds4NJ5

2upgs last night

[oak tangle]

can i have your ring

[frigid pilot]

what if i told u i got offered puzzle in vault but hadnt done 8 20s

[thorn fjord]

I dont want to do any content this week -_-

[sonic spindle]

Then don’t, that’s the ✨magic✨ of dragonflight

[frigid pilot]

whats content?

[spice spire]

Touching grass

[winter gale]

Assa Kurog would be focus Kurog and dot adds, in intermission keep dots on both big ones and go like that till the end?

[frigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[violet talon]

Got kicked out of three M+ groups last night before we even started because I wouldn’t swap out of sin spec for them lol

[spice spire]

That’s a damn good lawn

[frigid pilot]

ur coldblood flair confuses me

[violet talon]

I forget what it was from tbh lol

[oak tangle]

they just got small ego's and can't stand that they'd be beated by assass

[keen spruce]

u always join in outlaw

swap during countdown

that's like sin m+ pugging 101

[spice spire]

I’ve never played an outlaw key in my life

[keen spruce]

yeah but they don't know that

they just see IO number

[frigid pilot]

i should make a weakaura that if you're in a key with a rogue and they are specced sin to make horn noise/spam whispers

[spice spire]

They could check my r.io and see it

[frigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/emergency-animated-cartoon-spongebob-squarepants-siren-gif-6224023

[keen spruce]

yeah but no one does that

[frigid pilot]

even kush whos turbo horndog for sin

plays keys as sub

https://www.twitch.tv/kushlul

[feral rivet]

Ah the old feral tactic back when everyone just wanted boomie

Only way to avoid being kicked before key started

[spice spire]

I’m dedicated

[oak tangle]

lol, LFR despair

[keen spruce]

I joined a couple guildies for a key and they're fuckin around playin jungle cleave. tank didn't check our specs until we were on the CoS boat rp

he was fuming

this was before people accepted that feral was good tho

[keen spruce]

only thing LFR is good for

is making u feel like a god need rolling everything for transmog

[feral rivet]

Yeah i didnt mean DF tbh, feral is crazy good now

[oak tangle]

let's not talk about dathea or council

[keen spruce]

warrior thought we was getting boomie, pre-nerf marksman, and outlaw

[feral rivet]

I do about same dmg everywhere on my 409 feral alt as i do on rogue when it comes to m+

[violet talon]

I was playing Sub for weeks in M+ and doing well but honestly going back to Sin has just felt better and it’s a rare time when I’m not pushing the top of the meters overall. Maybe I was just meh at Sub lol

[keen spruce]

got assas, feral, survival

[green juniper]

guys make cowl or lariat to 418 ?

[feral rivet]

[green juniper]

first

[gusty mirage]

lariat or dagger

[oak tangle]

cowl simmed better for me than lariat upgrade

[gusty mirage]

unless you already have ring

then its whatever your heart desires

[oak tangle]

i did not have ring

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/vilo-invictus-gif-25813424

[green juniper]

nah I am praying to black jesus I'll get the ring tonite from eranog

[gusty mirage]

honestly just upgrade whatever your heart tells you too

assuming you already have a 418 dagger

or a 415

just do cowl

cause primary stat

[green juniper]

no I dont have crafted dagger tbh

[oak tangle]

ayy yo what

[green juniper]

411 and 402 raid ones xd

[gusty mirage]

I'd prio a dagger then

a 418 dagger will be better than anything else

[thorny pond]

^

[oak tangle]

the only thing better than a crafter is a brood mythic

[thorny pond]

This man speaks no lies

[green juniper]

best I can do is brood hc

[gusty mirage]

do you not have a spark laying around?

[green juniper]

I have tons

[gusty mirage]

then go make a dagger brother

[green juniper]

like 4

[keen spruce]

go make daggie

[green juniper]

yep w

will do

[keen spruce]

go make 2 daggies y not

if that's a 402 OH i'm lookin at

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't waste a spark on a 7 ilvl upgrade for the OH

well his 411 goes into his OH

[keen spruce]

o yeah

[gusty mirage]

its not like he vendors it

[keen spruce]

u rite

[oak tangle]

the only reason i dont have 2 crafted daggers is cause i got a 411 fenryr

[spice spire]

421 vault dagger

[keen spruce]

i need to go to bed

[gusty mirage]

bigger dps gains weapon dps > primary stat > whatever your secondary stat distribution looks like

[gusty mirage]

fuck you

[spice spire]

I mean I don’t have one

[gusty mirage]

I mean I do

and it was haste/vers

[spice spire]

But there’s a step in between!!!!

[gusty mirage]

stop reminding me

[spice spire]

Yeah and that’s legit my highest upgrading dagger rn

[gusty mirage]

what on earth

[keen spruce]

unless ur vault is poo besides 421 daggie

[gusty mirage]

there's no shot it beats a 421 fenryr or smbg dagger

[keen spruce]

3 ilvl daggie upgrade normally not worth

[gusty mirage]

tf you mean thats your highest upgrading dagger

[keen spruce]

unless rest of vault is hotdog water

[gusty mirage]

do I fill my m+ vault this week guys

[keen spruce]

it's ez week

might as well

[gusty mirage]

yeah but then I have to play the game

[keen spruce]

i mean barely

in a 20 sbg

[green juniper]

what do you add to add embellishment part for dagger

[keen spruce]

u just gotta login

[gusty mirage]

7 more keys are at the very least 30 minutes per key

that's 3.5 hours my dude

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't bother

cause you'll just perma use cowl when you get eranog ring

cowl + lariat ggs

[keen spruce]

u got like kids or siblings or something

maybe a well trained pet

[gusty mirage]

no

[keen spruce]

they could do 20 sbg this week

[gusty mirage]

I have an older brother but he plays a boomkin

that should be self explanatory

[keen spruce]

ye

rather have well trained pet

[oak tangle]

if you rolling, slap a flavour packet on the dagger

[keen spruce]

i sold 2 flavor pockets week 2 and 3

cuz i thought it was an embelishment slot

they were only selling for 45k

[oak tangle]

i did that too in week 1

but it funde my prospecting so net profit

[green juniper]

so crafter say if you add missive we have to proc it.. is it better to use missive for crit mastery ?

[keen spruce]

but that week everyone collectively realized that they didn't take a embelishment slot

the prices were like

astronomical for about 8 hours

[oak tangle]

yup

[gusty mirage]

oof

I sold the one I had for 85k

don't regret it one bit

[keen spruce]

yeah that's a lotta feasts

to make up for that payday

I coulda sworn that for a few hours tho it was approaching like 7 figures

maybe just random price fixing tho

[feral rivet]

Ive looted 4 of them across the 2 chars i play, so sold 2
First 45k second 145k 😁

Now its gone down a lot again

[keen spruce]

i quit and come back a lot

and when i quit i normally scrape all of my charaters of gear and gold

to try to quit forever

it never works

[green juniper]

ok this was expensive but I did it..

[rain mortar]

I refuse to play outlaw and prefer not to play sub. On mythic Kurgog do you think dropping exan for CT is a good play?

[earnest imp]

does master poisoner work with atrophic poison?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[digital compass]

Yes, increases damage reduction to 3.6%

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-7357158

[blissful osprey]

Does anyone have an add on or weak aura to easily track dots and when they are going to expire on our targets?

[thorn fjord]

Nah run full ST... the CT dmg isnt going to do much for adds... If you're running sin your job is to pump ST in to boss

[keen spruce]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen spruce]

take your pick

or do you mean multiple targets

like on their nameplates

[chrome elk]

isnt sin 2 target cleave pretty good anyway

[thorn fjord]

Meh

Its better than subs but thats not saying much

[rain mortar]

Yeah I feel like I would do more overall DPS with CT but not more impactful DPS if that makes sense

[gaunt moat]

took me 4 tries to get it rank 5 yesterday
my money 🥲

[gaunt moat]

no it's horrible

[thorn fjord]

Exactly... the Add dmg dont matter if the boss aint dying... You're aiming for top Boss dmg when running sin

[rain mortar]

I finally got my mythic Eranog ring yesterday. Feels good

[gusty mirage]

[rain mortar]

Bunch of grumpy people in raid that loot council gave it to me but it was like a 2k DPS upgrade for me so they can suck it

[gusty mirage]

just a free 2k dps

[thorn fjord]

2k increase from a ring feels so good

gratz @rain mortar

[rain mortar]

Yeah it feels so nice man

Ty Ty

Also learned I really suck at outlaw when I was doing as much if not more DPS for Kurog prog as sin. Tried some pills as outlaw. Not pretty.

[thorn fjord]

My OL dmg on Kurog was pretty bad for w/e reason

Sin overall dmg for me was really bad too but i'd end fight with top boss dmg

So my job is done lol

parsing 9's LMAO

[gusty mirage]

boss dead

do the happy dance

[rain mortar]

Yep hoping this will be my first CE tier. I think we’ve got a shot

[gusty mirage]

you got this

it's honestly just a game of keeping the raid's morale up

and just toughing it out through the pain points

[thorn fjord]

PUSH TIER

lol

[gusty mirage]

because everyone will run into a point where you contemplate if something's even worth it

or even killable

[thorn fjord]

We know how oxi feels about "push weeks"

[thorn fjord]

cracks me up every time bro lmao

[rain mortar]

Yeah I mean we raid 2 days a week for 3 hours. So we are not hardcore by any means. Our senarth kill was 778 in US. I think we are on pace to probably get CE. Will be close

[gusty mirage]

how close to a kurog kill are you guys?

[thorn fjord]

Yo can i get a summon

[rain mortar]

Not that close. Best pull is 55% I think. I expect we will kill next raid though. Will be our first full raid with 3 hours on it.

[gusty mirage]

if you're getting to 55%, it'll be close to a kill

[thorn fjord]

Fight gets easier the longer it progresses

Especially with limited deaths

[rain mortar]

Yeah I think we get it Monday night. We have not started extending or anything yet but I imagine pretty soon we will have extended raids for pushing.

[oak tangle]

i want CE but like raiding one night a week

[proven jasper]

I had a demon hunter take the grimtotem trinket from me last week and it hasnt dropped before or since then 😑

[gusty mirage]

yea once healers figure out the pain points

it's just ez clap

it's just don't stand in stupid

and avoid the balls during last phase

and just burn boss

[thorn fjord]

bro i eat atleast one from kurog every damn time

Like i consciously know its coming.. move to avoid

still get tapped

[oak tangle]

just go back and spam tazavesh last boss

[thorn fjord]

lol

[oak tangle]

ez dodge skills

[thorn fjord]

the hit boxes seem weird on the bosses balls... the add balls dont give me the same issue

[rain mortar]

My guild has me cloak soak the first mechanic and it’s infuriating because tanks always take boss / add too far for me to damage so I’m just sitting there soaking twiddling my thumbs.

[gaunt moat]

might be your tanks are not tanking add far enough?

[thorn fjord]

Add one is easier for me to dodge 🤷‍♂️

[gaunt moat]

i find it harder because vision is obscured by boss if add is not far enough

[gusty mirage]

[plucky niche]

Is assassination really smoking hell since the last update? I only play outlaw, is assassination really good for all PvE content?

Raid, MM+, world questing, etc?

[rain mortar]

I mean I’m pretty sure it’s considered the “worst” of the 3 specs for m+, but I can still pull 80k+ overall as sin in m+ so I think it’s plenty good.

[royal lantern]

m+ its good

the Problem is, sub and outlaw are borderline broken for way less effort, so why play assa

in raids, its a single target 1trick, you do good Boss dmg, thats it

but a unholy dk/arms warrior do way more boss dmg and also dont suck for aoe

[rain mortar]

I know tier lists are stupid but I’ve seen multiple people put sin in D tier for m+ which is just stupid because it’s not bad at all.

[royal lantern]

its Peak perception bias

[thorn fjord]

Can see if they swap you to the second soak... First soak for us was actually closer to the boss than the second one... They had me and Hunter soak the second soaks and Holy Pal for the first

[royal lantern]

outlaw/sub are braindead easy and strong as hell, assa is less easy and not that extreme strong=its a troll pick bad and ussules

like, perception makes people say stupid shit lmao

[peak musk]

!gems

[plucky niche]

If it's easier to pull better damages with outlaw then yeah you're right, I'll stick to it

[proven jasper]

pls buff sin blissard

ive been playing outlaw since bfa but

Sin is so fun

sucks that it cant be the best at what its meant to be the best at

[plucky niche]

Sin is best for pvp so

Well according to tier lists on multiple websites

[proven jasper]

Oh yeah def

I feel like they nerfed exsanguinate so hard for pvp reasons and it just fucked sin up in pve alot

[rain mortar]

Sin is best for single target! You just don’t have that many single target bosses out there

[proven jasper]

i mean

Not when you have arms warriors and unholy dks

Pressing 2 buttons

doing 10k more dps

But yeah for sure

[royal lantern]

what

[gusty mirage]

no they nerfed exsang because it was absurd damage

[royal lantern]

it was not pvp

[proven jasper]

was it not?

[royal lantern]

exsang was just broken

yes

[gusty mirage]

exsang was worth like a capstone and a half worth of DPS

[royal lantern]

exsang on 45sec cd was more dmg then all capstones

[gusty mirage]

it needed a nerf

tbh

[royal lantern]

i mean, we STILL pick exsangn on all content with a 3min cd

[proven jasper]

right

[gusty mirage]

and 80% speed up vs 100%

[proven jasper]

but it just feels so sad

[gusty mirage]

the saddest part

is spriest does pre-nerf assassination damage

[royal lantern]

blizz does PvP nerfs good

cus they keep them in pvp

[gusty mirage]

with a cleave that's more free than blade flurry

imagine that for a second

[spice spire]

Rats man

[proven jasper]

i have no problems with their pvp balancing for the most part

[royal lantern]

trust me, i play destiny, i know how "pve gets fucked cus of PvP" looks like

[spice spire]

🐀

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

remember when assassination got nerfed because it was simming for 98k?

and now we have 2 hunter specs close to that

frost higher than that

and uhdk like 2k off of that?

fun times

"too strong" week 1 heroic

[proven jasper]

i have a survival hunter in my raid group that absolutely fucks

[gusty mirage]

because our TCing is actually people with brains

[proven jasper]

and he out dps me on single target LMAO

im also pretty behind though

[keen spruce]

rogues start the expansion actually knowing how to play their class

[gusty mirage]

so rogues hit the ground running while all other classes sit down and wait for the RWF people to teach them how to play their class?

[royal lantern]

survival is like #4st dmg rn

[keen spruce]

too broken better nerf them

[royal lantern]

like, its no suprise lol

[gusty mirage]

I'm fine with survival being that good

[keen spruce]

we have no beef with surv

[gusty mirage]

because they have the same problem assassination does

their aoe is fucking awful

LMAO

[proven jasper]

yeah how come mongoose bite can do as much damage as my top 3 abilities LOL

no i have no beef with them

[gusty mirage]

like to me that's fine

if your aoe sucks balls

yeah

[proven jasper]

I love surv hunter

[gusty mirage]

be top dog on ST

fine

[royal lantern]

bm hunters needing RWF people to tell them that their rotation is "keep frenzy up, use kill command on cd" for the 8th year in a row

[gusty mirage]

but assassination got beat with a bat

[royal lantern]

[proven jasper]

sad

[gusty mirage]

and now we do nothing great

[proven jasper]

i love outlaw and i love sin

but sin feels so fun to play this patch

[gusty mirage]

yeah because you press 18 buttons

to do less damage than army + gargoyle

[royal lantern]

i mean, yiu can play sin with no problems

[gusty mirage]

[proven jasper]

just give us a garrote + rupture buff

15% damage

[keen spruce]

they could just revert the patchnotes with the 3% aura nerf, ER nerf, and fatal concotion nerf

[proven jasper]

Ez

[gusty mirage]

sub has better rupture damage than assassination

[royal lantern]

it just feels bad cus you do less then others

[keen spruce]

and we wouldn't be #1

[gusty mirage]

someone explain that one to me

[proven jasper]

yeah that makes fucking sense

[wind dune]

Our special tree feels so randomly put together. Takes sub a total of 6 talent points for all its aoe. Takes us 11 for just fucking ic

[keen spruce]

ask fuu he thinks it makes sense

[proven jasper]

honestly sub being the best pve spec has me fucked up

fr

[royal lantern]

according to another orange name: sub spends points making rupture stronger

[gusty mirage]

our class tree is a bigger abomination

[royal lantern]

🙂

[vestal wren]

rupture on assassination does more than damage and subtelty has multiple nodes that interact with rupture

[royal lantern]

rogue class tree

lmao

sub left side

[gusty mirage]

rogue class tree fantastic

[royal lantern]

assa tree in general

[keen spruce]

The entire sub spec should just be a PvP talent, u can't change my mind

[gusty mirage]

any 2/2 nightstalker enjoyers?

no?

yeah can't imagine why

that 0% dps 2pter?

[wind dune]

Yea it's fucking awful 11 points to get ic THEN you still have to talent into ct

Fucking pathetic lol

[vestal wren]

don't worry oxy we have other talents too that don't work as advertised

[royal lantern]

i love spending 2points for a bugged talent that doesnt work and didnt even get acknowledget yet by blizzard

[twilit hollow]

Can't fix it. Requires counterbalance tuning

[gusty mirage]

thank god

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

I was worried it was just one

[keen spruce]

don't forget this shit burger

[proven jasper]

LMFAOO

[gusty mirage]

that's the rogue special

[proven jasper]

What the fuck is that

[vestal wren]

e.g. lethality does not work on shadowstrike

[gusty mirage]

we got all the cool shit from bfa/SL

minus the parts that made them good

like mr. doomblade

[vestal wren]

and we all know shadowstrike is def. not a ability we use

[gusty mirage]

we got a nerfed version of the worst part of that legendary

[wind dune]

And it still out preforms assa

Amazing

[gusty mirage]

yeah shadowstrike isn't a combo point generating ability

duh

[royal lantern]

i mean, i somewhat get you, but lets not act as if not 50% of assas points are based around bosting bleeds lol

[gusty mirage]

why would lethality work on it?

[keen spruce]

coomblade made ass playable in S1 now it's cheeks

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-sad-flaque-alone-gif-13147324

[gusty mirage]

yeah cause we lost the envenom buff and the dot got giga nerfed

only reason we take it is because we need bonespike

unlucky

[keen spruce]

give sub sepsis and give us flag

[gusty mirage]

just like the only reason sub and outlaw waste 2 points on nightstalker is to get to improved ambush

[royal lantern]

skill doomblade, and then grab a talent that makes you use mutilate less often

[vestal wren]

sub already has sepsis

[gusty mirage]

please no

I don't want flag

at all

keep it away

[keen spruce]

i liked flag when venthyr became meta

but i didn't play after nathria

[gusty mirage]

we generate a combo point every fiscal quarter

and you want flag?

[vestal wren]

maybe the old flag is nice

[gusty mirage]

[proven jasper]

I honestly really like bonespike

[vestal wren]

haste to make exsang stronger

[wind dune]

Why are we the only spec with 0 cdr with our combo points, not like it would make us do damage but it's be nice having my aoe every 30 seconds like the other 2

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

sub and outlaw generate 6000 combo points before we hit 100

[wind dune]

Or 25 I think for sub actually lol

[gusty mirage]

and you want flag?

[keen spruce]

fuu in here with a semi cuz we're complainin about sub havin better rupture

[gusty mirage]

do you want to play marked for death?

because that's what you're asking for right now

[keen spruce]

i just remember liking flag in nathria i don't remember what it even did/does

[thorn fjord]

Dont ever make me cast CT in ST ever again plz

kthxbye

[keen spruce]

okay so step one

[thorn fjord]

I did really enjoy flag with Sub and OL though

[keen spruce]

step 2 delete exang and give us a real capstone

[gusty mirage]

no no

step 1

revert exsang nerfs

put it where IC is

change IC back to 1 minute

put it where exsang is

done

[keen spruce]

that seems like more than 1 step

[gusty mirage]

we consolidated due to budget restraints

call your congressman

[royal lantern]

instructions unclears, ic shares a node with KB and DtB now

[gusty mirage]

perfect

[keen spruce]

[rain mortar]

That’s just evil. Bliz being mean.

[gusty mirage]

I want more changes that make me annoyed

so my 20% chance of playing next tier

actually hits 0%

[royal lantern]

2targert rupture

[gusty mirage]

we've been wavering between 10-20%

[royal lantern]

when they get guranteed 5cp on 5targets

god forbid you could need 4gcd for 2max duration ruptures

noooo, free spread

on the BURST WINDOW SPEC

[keen spruce]

on the shadow damage direct damage spec

can't have the dot spec have good dots

no no

[oak tangle]

remember that time back in uldir when sub got deleted from the game?

[gusty mirage]

yes

I do

came back around that time

and I preferred sub

and then they ruined it for me

I'm still not over it 6 years later

🙂

[oak tangle]

give them this win

[vestal wren]

i like the irony

[keen spruce]

i was in an AOTC guild

[wind dune]

Imagine the meltdown this discord would have if sin was ever the go to m+ spec. Already bad enough when it's strong in raid

[keen spruce]

and we got the zul the day after it got nerfed

[vestal wren]

when i read commends like the earlier one "sub should be pvp only" or sth similar

and then you look at pvp

[oak tangle]

i have regressed in my mythic raiding since then, went from 5/8 to aotc now

[vestal wren]

and you rly get the feel of the strengh of subtlety in pvp if you look at the letherboard

[vestal wren]

i would like assassination to be slower with more damage in bleeds

[thorn fjord]

Slower???

[vestal wren]

i don't think how much damage rupture does on subtelty matters

[keen spruce]

we are in agreement

[thorn fjord]

Like 4 apm? lmao

[vestal wren]

no

[keen spruce]

slow sin best sin

[oak tangle]

does anyone else think they named the specs wrong? i feel the playstyle of sub and assass should apply to each other's spec name

[vestal wren]

but probably more like 40-50 apm

i am not sure if higher apm rly benefit the spec

esp. if you want it to be build around rupture/bleed damage

[gusty mirage]

don't worry kalvish is still repping you guys strong

rmp clown

[keen spruce]

sub got gutted

look how they massacred my boy

[oak tangle]

they should let us pull out the serated bone spikes and increase our dots when we do it cause you know i'd imagine you'd bleed significantly more if you just had a serated spike pulled from your chest

[vestal wren]

my point was just

that people say subtlety is a pvp spec, but it isn't even the best spec in pvp

[keen spruce]

I would like that to change

[gusty mirage]

I mean it was for like almost all of shadowlands

and historically

[keen spruce]

make assas cheeks in pvp again

and make us #1 ST

[vestal wren]

i don't remember exactly

[oak tangle]

people that say that are probably ones getting ganked in war mode inside a single dance

[thorn fjord]

That whole sec Tec 3 shot thing earlier this tier really pissed a lot of people off lol @vestal wren

[vestal wren]

but i think s3/4 had a outlw meta

[gusty mirage]

s4 did after all the giga buffs

[vestal wren]

ye

[gusty mirage]

but the funny part is

[storm forum]

sub was definitely the play in early SL shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

it wasn't even because sub was good

sub just could run away easier

[vestal wren]

and even before that, i am not sure subtlety was played that much in official events

[thorn fjord]

S3 had an outlaw meta

For arena

[gusty mirage]

s3 did not have an outlaw meta for arena

[keen spruce]

assas was also uplayable in early SL

[storm forum]

i was so bad at it though, i just played for the opener and to try to get restealths to replay the opener

[thorn fjord]

Then it was 4?

[gusty mirage]

that was s4

[vestal wren]

is there a website like raider.io

[thorn fjord]

I remember my RL rolling an OL rogue for arena at some point

[vestal wren]

to look back at old seasons

[gusty mirage]

ye

[vestal wren]

i am actually curios

[gusty mirage]

drustvar

& check-pvp.fr

[ebon notch]

anyone who wants slow sin

doesnt have hands

[gusty mirage]

okay I parsed a 23 on dathea stop making fun of me

[thorn fjord]

I’ll show you hands

[storm forum]

✋ i lack hands

[thorn fjord]

[ebon notch]

smh

i parsed a 20 or smth

leave me alone

[vestal wren]

for old seasons i mean

[gusty mirage]

oh

uhhh

there used to be

I'd have to find it

[vestal wren]

like on raider.io i can go to old seaosns and look at them

[oak tangle]

assassin, but rather than keybinds or macros you have to type /cast "spell name" every time you want to cast a spell

[thorn fjord]

Like typing of the dead!

[modest crest]

Man I haven’t touched Assass all xpac I friggen love it ST and m+

[gusty mirage]

all the leaderboard sites I know of use current leaderboards

[vestal wren]

i also can't find anything historical

[gusty mirage]

but I remember s1 and s2 of SL sub was king

and not because it was good

but because it was tankier

& could CC infinitely for the mage

to delete things

[brittle burrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

subtlety was basically a cc bot in sl

[thorn fjord]

S3 m+ was based as sub

I loved it

[gusty mirage]

[storm forum]

sub has always been the better set up spec. CC and go for restealths and play around low CD bursts and such. Assa has wiggled its way in as being the pressure spec. It's good at sitting out in the open and spreading bleeds and healing reduction.

[gusty mirage]

I actually hate the narrative that "sub is the pvp spec"

even if its toolkit was better for pvp

doesn't mean it should be terrible in pve

[vital haven]

sub is the pvp spec

[gusty mirage]

for sure

[vital haven]

that definitely was the narrative back in like wotlk to mop prob

same for frost with mages

[vestal wren]

i think subtlety can jsut do the highest amounts of

party tricks

so you can do insane plays

[gusty mirage]

which streamers need to get their fat paychecks

because god knows AWC doesn't pay shit

[keen spruce]

i mean that narrative started when specs had like 6 buttons

[gusty mirage]

I mean even in classic

sub's kit was the best for pvp

[keen spruce]

and since like 4 of subs 6 buttons were CC

they were the pvp class

[gusty mirage]

but we've moved WAY past that kind of reality

[keen spruce]

but now assas has like 1000 pvp tools as well

[gusty mirage]

not really

it has 1

[modest crest]

What do you guys think of the world boss trinket?

[gusty mirage]

sharpen tied to shiv

[storm forum]

there's a world boss trinket?

[keen spruce]

triple garrote silences

[gusty mirage]

all of assassination's "pvp tools" are class tools for the most part

[keen spruce]

there 1000

we covered them all

[gusty mirage]

you use vanish as a defensive

not offensively

[keen spruce]

yeah but can restealth w/o vanish

[gusty mirage]

because rogue just dies

oh yeah

for sure

[storm forum]

assa rogue is ironically the spec that benefits the most from restealths but also has the least reason to go for them

[gusty mirage]

tell me you haven't played arena without telling me you haven't played arena

[modest crest]

Static-charged scale trinket, thoughts?

[keen spruce]

i haven't played arena

but i watch pikaboo so i'm somewhat of an expert

[modest crest]

Haha!

[thorn fjord]

Does pika ever come in to RH?

[gusty mirage]

uhh

let me check

no

[thorn fjord]

Rip

[storm forum]

F

[keen spruce]

he just plays disc priest now anyways

[gusty mirage]

whats your twitch name so I can ban you from his channel @keen spruce

[keen spruce]

no plz i have an alt in the move

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

i haven't logged into it since bfa

I posted an assas clip in outlaw for some reason u can find it in there but i'm not givin it to you for free

[gusty mirage]

oh you for sure got removed then

[minor gate]

this is a very odd question to ask but do people use vanish garrote as a builder through the 3 secs?

like vanish garrote finisher garrote finisher

[storm forum]

idk if it's right, but I do

it's definitely right to do if your garrote isnt in pandemic and you're about to exsang + vendetta, but if the gar is already in pandemic it might not be

[minor gate]

last time i put up my logs i got slammed for it but it works and puts off the need for tea so early

[keen spruce]

yeah i was only in there cuz i've been playin with one of his mods since like MoP

[gusty mirage]

which mod

[keen spruce]

vulpis

[gusty mirage]

ye

vulpis is good people

[keen spruce]

he was one of my first wow friends when i came back

we send eachother gummy dicks for our birthdays

[gusty mirage]

[minor gate]

so my rotation is like stealth > garrote > SnD > garrote > rupture > exanguinate > box > deathmark

[storm forum]

i think you missed an ER rupture there

but that looks alright otherwise

[minor gate]

oh right

yeah

[keen spruce]

name and opener don't match

[minor gate]

lol

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

you can use something and still hate it

[ebon notch]

stealth > garrote > snd > garrote > rupture > ER > puzzlebox > rupture > exsang > DM

[gusty mirage]

yeah he likes actualy doing damage

[keen spruce]

but y would u do that

[gusty mirage]

[minor gate]

i hate current exangin

[ebon notch]

box can go wherever

[keen spruce]

i do damage

[storm forum]

[gusty mirage]

its okay shmeeps

[keen spruce]

i just can't kill anything

[gusty mirage]

I'mma full swap sub

[thorn fjord]

ya missed your sbs brooo

[gusty mirage]

then you never have to deal with me again

[minor gate]

nerf before raid with the promise to update it in some way .5 comes out and still nothing

[keen spruce]

[ebon notch]

im pretty sure i do that ingame also

[keen spruce]

i mean i have faith in our dev

[gusty mirage]

I wish you'd do me in game also

wait what

[thorn fjord]

He's the DH dev before the rogue dev OBVIOUSLY

[keen spruce]

the director of class development is an arms warrior

u can't change my mind

holdin our dev down

it's not his fault

[minor gate]

im missing so much and i would get up my logs but we fought razzy the entire night

[gusty mirage]

yeah they're also largely forgotten

[minor gate]

probably my best opener the entire night and i forgot to ER rupture

[ebon notch]

ive done that on mythic rasz