assassination

[keen spruce]

does it get hard squished?

or is it relative scaling?

[strange python]

everything to 120

[keen spruce]

what talents are you running?

[keen spruce]

probably swap arterial for indesciminate carnage?

[strange python]

Ones straight from the mage tower guide

[keen spruce]

oh

i'm not equiped to answer then

[slow marsh]

You don't need IC cuz you keep the chick blinded

If you're getting to enrage and dying then you just need to evasion tank jarl / full kidney during bladestorm

[strange python]

I am

[slow marsh]

You're doing both of those ?

[strange python]

Yes, I'm evasion tanking and kidneying his bladestorm

[slow marsh]

What's his % when you die

[strange python]

Honestly have no idea, didn't look before i released

Didn't think about killing him and then blinding the girl during enrage

I can probably manage that

Was thinking how tf i wa ssuppose to kill everything before enrage

[slow marsh]

I haven't done it since SL but yeah you get to enrage and kill him after it

There's like a soft enrage with him getting big mad then a hard one

[strange python]

ty

[lament warren]

jarvis, show me the boss damage

[azure bronze]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

no let me complain

[lament warren]

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

but also... we gonna do more boss dmg when that's all we can do

losing to surv on terros

[slow marsh]

Surv is a boss dam spec

So not surprising

[keen spruce]

assas is a boss dam spec

[slow marsh]

They're in the same boat as us

[keen spruce]

they just got a 5% aura buff

[slow marsh]

Except with worse util

Well good on them

[keen spruce]

we've only gotten a 3% aura nerf

[slow marsh]

I might level mine

[keen spruce]

okay i'm not throwin surv under the bus, they deserve some time in relevance

but BM hunter

[slow marsh]

I mean we got a (admittedly half done) attempt at a talent change

Bm hunter is kinda the same. St spec

They just already did damage

So that part is weird

[keen spruce]

hunter apologist

[slow marsh]

Cuz they do enough to justify it

I am a surv apologist

The bm thing is weird I agree

[keen spruce]

i have no beef with surv

they're like the special little brother of wow

[slow marsh]

Aura buffing specs that need talent tuning is weird

But is also blizz track history

We don't know how this spec works and don't care so have an aura buff / nerf

[keen spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1072771917112692797/image.png they could just revert this

[slow marsh]

But I'm gonna let you in on a secret

[keen spruce]

indirect exang nerf

[slow marsh]

People who play sin through the dark (mid) ages are the reapers when it eventually starts rising

[keen spruce]

i'm well aware

SL season one was pain

[slow marsh]

Yes it was

[gaunt moat]

i said that yesterday and got flamed 🙂

[keen spruce]

[slow marsh]

I would be disappointed if they reverted 3% aura

[keen spruce]

it would be a lazy "fix"

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

i have more faith in the rogue dev than that tbf

[gaunt moat]

Our BM sims for 87k ST now lol

[slow marsh]

I want to believe they're cooking something good

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean when they added the note during the big exang nerf

[gaunt moat]

[keen spruce]

gave us a lil hope of some good things eventually

they did kingsbane a lil dirty, but tbh i think my love of that button was mostly nostalgia

[slow marsh]

I've been a hater for too long. I'm reformed

Yeah the KB thing

Is weird

Understandable but without replacing with an alternative to use KB with it's big weird

[keen spruce]

yeah arterial doesn't feel like it should be a capstone or be on that side of the tree

[slow marsh]

At all

[keen spruce]

like... all of the bleed and Aoe stuff is on the right lol

[slow marsh]

It's a fine idea and being under ttb is thematic but it needs additional support

[keen spruce]

besides tempest

[slow marsh]

I think it should be a choice node with IC tbh

Prolly a hot take but it's the best spot for it

[keen spruce]

yeah that'd make sense

[slow marsh]

You either get cleave or mass AoE pick one

[gaunt moat]

exactly, that's also something i said.
but sin talent tree is just a confusing mess now that can't let to commit to fully AoE
and iron wire is gated behind exsanguinate

[keen spruce]

I was thinking put shrouded where exang is, exang where arterial is, and arterial where shrouded is

and tune accordingly

[slow marsh]

Moving exsang is hard for me to comprehend knowing they're gonna rework it

[keen spruce]

well yeah then delete exang and give us a real capstone

[slow marsh]

Cuz it's a volatile ability

[keen spruce]

maybe something more execute related cuz of blindside and zoldyks being right there

but we already have banger execute so idk

[gaunt moat]

it's so weird to gate an AoE silence behind a ST ability.

[keen spruce]

putting shrouded in the exang spot makes way more sense in my brain

imp garrote -> shrouded -> iron wire

[slow marsh]

I would like to hope that we aren't getting changes cuz we'll get a full talent pathing change up in .1 but that's hard

[keen spruce]

maybe swap bone spike and arterial

and juice bone spike up

and get rid of sepsis lol

[slow marsh]

I think they have to keep sbs and sepsis on a choice node

As bad as it is

Change sepsis to 1 min and it's pretty decent

Been saying it since SL

[keen spruce]

i just think it's a goofy ability

[slow marsh]

I think it was supposed to be a play on kingsbane

[keen spruce]

it was kind of cool with some of the soulbinds

mastery buff or something

[slow marsh]

You never played that one

[keen spruce]

i play fae for a bit until they buffed venthyr

i don't remember much from back then

i was doin pvp too maybe that's why i had it

[slow marsh]

It was flower patch haste on use

Yeah niya was good for pvp

[keen spruce]

flag was dope with the haste build

acutally really like flag

[slow marsh]

I did too

[keen spruce]

liked*

[slow marsh]

Good thing sub can use all that haste now

[keen spruce]

what if switch sepsis and flag

lol

[slow marsh]

It would be interesting but probs still take sbs

[keen spruce]

yeah spike is flexible af too

[slow marsh]

Lethal dose good

[keen spruce]

they'd probably have more options with tree placement if they widened it out a bit

[slow marsh]

For sure

The three path idea was cool at first but now it's too janky

[keen spruce]

like being able to do shit like this

would be nice

but that's a full rework situation

probably pipe dream

[slow marsh]

Yeah enh tree is kinda nuts

[keen spruce]

we've also been ignoring this little rat

[slow marsh]

The way primordial wave splits off

And ascendency

[static glacier]

people use it in pvp iirc

[keen spruce]

assas rampaging through pvp is why we're in this mess to begin with

[slow marsh]

Probably part of it

[static glacier]

are we in a mess?

[keen spruce]

no

but i like complaining

[slow marsh]

Not yet

[keen spruce]

like we are

we're steadily slipping into mediocrity though

[static glacier]

are we? we only lose in boss dmg to like uh and bm

[slow marsh]

Yes we are

[keen spruce]

and arms

[slow marsh]

Uh is no comparison

[keen spruce]

and surv

and arcane sometimes

and frost sometimes

[static glacier]

surv is cope, I say this as a sv player

[slow marsh]

Dk and war both do good cleave on top of being comparable if not better in st

[keen spruce]

and enhance

[static glacier]

far too few parses to judge, simwise it's not far off but sv is much more vulnerable to losing dps than rogue, turbo squishy too

[slow marsh]

Enhance is crazy and it not being nerfed is crazy

[keen spruce]

we don't complain about surv

[static glacier]

uh doesn't have good cleave while in st build

[keen spruce]

neither do we

[static glacier]

arms is v strong atm, ye buffs were too much

[slow marsh]

Army isn't good cleave ?

[static glacier]

thing is what's your point, is it we're top st or bust?

[slow marsh]

Na

[keen spruce]

since we can't do anything else well

[static glacier]

we can't be top st all the time, that's not how balance works

[keen spruce]

it'd be nice

[hollow river]

[keen spruce]

but also yes, if yer not first yer last

[keen spruce]

i'm just talkin shit, ignore me

[static glacier]

what about the specs that actually suck in st?

what do those poor guys do

[hollow river]

i don't think they base pve class tuning on pvp whatsoever

[keen spruce]

they're not rogues, idc about them

[slow marsh]

It's that we have to talent for pure st to be in the top 5 against specs that can naturally cleave. And if we spec for cleave we fall off hard in st and still can't keep up in cleave

[hollow river]

the recent hunter tuning for instance

i think is just as mind boggling for pvp as it is for pve

[slow marsh]

Do you just search for pvp and join any discussion about pvp or what lol

[keen spruce]

he's got a bot that keyword searches and pings him

for pvp talk

[static glacier]

mm was behind in st, sv was weak in aoe, bm was weak in aoe I guess?

i wouldn't have given them an aura buff

[hollow river]

whenever someone types pvp my computer screen starts having a seizure and alarm bells ring through the house

[static glacier]

it just breaks mm aoe more, their st wont be good enough

[hollow river]

[static glacier]

bm will just blast st to infinity now

and sv still wont see play cus community perception

[slow marsh]

That's the point kind of

[hollow river]

nah i literally just happen into a channel and see it mentioned most of the time

[static glacier]

• ret getting raid buff

[slow marsh]

These aura buffs change nothing

[static glacier]

legit only melee without raid utility

[slow marsh]

In a positive way

[keen spruce]

okay outlaw and sub rampaging through m+ is what got us into this mess in the first place

there new bad take

i'll leave u pvpers out of it

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

But na clearly they tune pvp based on pvp

[keen spruce]

okay new take

if this image ever loads

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

bad raiders are what got us into this mess in the first place

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't say bad raiders

I would say good information

Accessibility

[keen spruce]

but it's 10th percentile

[slow marsh]

High floor spec

Which is why I don't think we need to be top st and why I don't care as much about that

[keen spruce]

well yeah we do have giga theory crafters and a great dev

OKAY SO WHISPYR GOT US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE

[slow marsh]

I just want to be able to think to myself, oh adds are coming up I can do these cool things to capitalize

Instead I cri and hug boss harder

At least with KB we could do good prio damage to a big add and it's a short enough CD to justify it

[keen spruce]

multi dotting being competative in 2 target would be nice

multi dotting outside of IC being competative would be nice in general actually

but IC existing kinda makes that hard

[slow marsh]

Well

[marble hemlock]

why

cause it would allow us to b ecompetitive?

you could buff dots by 50%

and wed still do less burst with IC bleeds

than most other classes

oh no, how awful

[keen spruce]

troo

[marble hemlock]

at this point id settle for having better rupture than subtlety

but alas

[slow marsh]

Yeah well

According to fuu rupture being stronger on sub makes more sense 🥹

[keen spruce]

i need to make a new gif

throwing fuu in the sea

[marble hemlock]

yeah well

it doesnt

[hollow river]

i strongly disagree with that sentiment

[marble hemlock]

sub has 2 other finishers that are vastly more powerful than assassinations

the one thats a bleed we should be better at. just one mans opinion ofc

[slow marsh]

Yeah well

True

[keen spruce]

rupture doing less damage then our white hits

is pretty tho

moving damage out of envenom into rupture would make me happy

[slow marsh]

It's crazy to me that we have a 30% amp talent for rupture and it still doesn't do much

Oh and 20% with tier

[hollow river]

and Lethal Dose

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[hollow river]

garrote is a 6s CD builder, and does way more damage than a finisher

[slow marsh]

I mean I don't know if just slapping more damage on it is very sexy since you just throw it up for 32s and let it tick but man

[keen spruce]

cuz we got such a hard on for shrouded in bfa

[marble hemlock]

removing snd and putting the loss of whitehit damage into skills, ideally bleeds, so we can scale better in aoe while remaining the same in st, would be a start

fuck snd

[hollow river]

don't get me wrong i love garrote doing significant damage

in any form of content

[keen spruce]

I liked that they brought SnD at the time cuz there were like no buttons to press

[slow marsh]

I didn't realize you were a remove snd guy

[hollow river]

but rupture being "weak" is weird

[keen spruce]

but like... it's such a waste of space

with cttc

[hollow river]

i was thinking the same thing lmao

[slow marsh]

It is and it makes sense

[hollow river]

it's weird to say because SnD is almost a rogue identity ability

[keen spruce]

move the snd attack speed into exang

[hollow river]

but it's a remnant of old times

[slow marsh]

Snd rupture and evis

But they've come off of those already it doesn't make sense to cling to snd

Like sub rupture does more damage and is shadow damage now so why bother

[keen spruce]

i mean in wrath you could realistically be at risk of dropping SnD even with cttc if you were also managing rupture

but in the current game it just doesn't really do anything

[slow marsh]

It really doesn't make sense anymore that's for sure

[keen spruce]

just make SnD a passive if you really wanna be lazy and keep it in spirit

[slow marsh]

Especially if envenom is the only way we can keep it up

[marble hemlock]

snd is pointless cuz weve moved on from auto-attack based class design like 10 years ago

so it made zero sense to bring it back

and its actually caused quite a few issues for assa in particular

[pseudo hamlet]

Everytime I wake up I want to see SnD being passive/deleted from the game

[marble hemlock]

cant have poisons deal high damage or we'd skyrocket in st due to high attackspeed. nerf snd and our poisons/bleeds can do more damage, we stay the same performance in st but our cleave/aoe gets increased drastically

[slow marsh]

K so obviously no snd at all would be the prevailing vote. That aside, what does it look like if cttc procced off of CT?

[keen spruce]

different world from when snd was relevant

[marble hemlock]

so what?

[keen spruce]

same problem

still press snd once and never think about it again

[marble hemlock]

CTTC is awful, adn there were builds floating around that dont take it because of how little it does per talent point

[slow marsh]

Fair enough that's why I asked lol

So it really is just about the laziness of the design not really having to maintain it

[marble hemlock]

i dont think anyone would mind having to manually refresh snd

we're already sitting at insanely high envenom uptime anyway

[keen spruce]

we already cast envenom 100 times a fight

we can spare the finishers

[marble hemlock]

refreshing snd wouldve sucked when envenom uptime was barely 40-50% in legion

[slow marsh]

I wouldn't and I for sure have looked at dropping cttc

[keen spruce]

but i'd rather just not have snd and make rupture great again

[slow marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[keen spruce]

cuz white damage is just a whateverburger in the current game

no interaction or interesting taletns to modify it

[slow marsh]

Yeah but we have stupid cos ring

[keen spruce]

maybe replace exang with a pure rupture modifer that does something cool idk

[hollow river]

also wouldn't something like Nightblade coming back just be a better fit for sub? idk why it was ever removed, i didn't play at the time iirc

[keen spruce]

it was basically jsut a shadow damage rupture no?

and sub has that talent that makes everything shadow damage anyways

[hollow river]

+damage amp

[keen spruce]

the good ol pikaboo "nightblade to the side" commentary

i swear i still hear that line in my sleep

[strange python]

NOOO

1%

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[keen spruce]

are you still on sennarth?

was that you

oh wait no u were mage tower

you'll get em next time

go againe

[carmine dawn]

is flamethrower tinker bad

80k looks big

[keen spruce]

grieftorch?

[carmine dawn]

wrists

[keen spruce]

oh

tinker

uh yeah psure it's bad

but idk much about tinkers i'm sure someone else could answer

[carmine dawn]

does it count as an embellishment

its a 10 minute CD thats shared with potion thats why

[slow marsh]

It doesn't

[robust sparrow]

hello guys need some advice. I got 28.14% crit 7.7% hast and 49.19 mastery and 13.38% poly. Sim telling me that i need to gain more hast by changing gems into hast. do you know if there is a hast cap ?

[slow marsh]

80k is an envenom crit roughly so it's not as big as you think

[slow marsh]

No there's aren't caps

[carmine dawn]

so why is no one using it then

i dont get it

[slow marsh]

Prolly cuz they go brez tinker maybe

[robust sparrow]

then should i stay that way or follow raidbot ?

[carmine dawn]

if i go buy this and try it and it shares a cooldown with potion

[slow marsh]

Idk if it shares CD with pot or not

Should say on wow head no ?

[slow marsh]

Go with sims but also I doubt it's more than 100 dps so do what your gold tells you

[robust sparrow]

its like 600 dps

[formal cliff]

I'd not bother changing gems for that tbh

but you do you

[slow marsh]

For swapping gems?

[robust sparrow]

he wants me to change gems on lariat y

[slow marsh]

Link sim

[robust sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mCwrm3uevKreAtBRzcZegP

and get rid off diurna's ring which i got today on vault since nothing was good 😄

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's 16 dps to swap gems

[robust sparrow]

and 600 if i swap rings

[slow marsh]

Oh I see now nvm

[robust sparrow]

so yeah i think ill stay that way for now since 50k absorb is good for raid too

[slow marsh]

Yeah so that's not 600 dps for swapping gems yeah I was right

I'd swap rings forget the absorb but you do you

[robust sparrow]

well he wants me to swap gems on my other ring too 😄

[formal cliff]

This sims all gems?

[robust sparrow]

almost

not versa ones

[slow marsh]

The important ones

Generally if you're playing exsang you want agi + crit with haste crit gems (fire) to get crit procs on lariat

It just reflects that in sim

[robust sparrow]

i think ill try to find more hast on stuff parts

like belt

i dont play exangs

[formal cliff]

I have like 38% crit and it still wants me to go Mast/Crit

[slow marsh]

There's no magic haste number tho

[slow marsh]

Are you running exsang

[formal cliff]

Yeah, but no puzzlebox

[slow marsh]

Ye

Puzzlebox does it over

[formal cliff]

yup

never lucky in getting it

[slow marsh]

Cuz of the amount of mastery you lose when you press it

I don't have one either. I'm on the hunt

[formal cliff]

done it 18 times already

[keen spruce]

i've deleted 5 puzzle boxes

[formal cliff]

lucky mf

[keen spruce]

i don't even use my 6th one

[formal cliff]

lmao

I'll spam AA's today

see if I get one

[grim jay]

Lose mastery on-use

[keen spruce]

but also this

[slow marsh]

DRs are a thing

[strange python]

YES I DID IT

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[slow marsh]

Grat

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

33 atempts i think

[keen spruce]

what do you even get for MT now?

[strange python]

Transmog

[keen spruce]

i haven't done it since lengion

legion*

the weapon transmogs? or new ones

[strange python]

armor transmog

tomb of sargeras reskin

[grim jay]

You still dont lose mastery, you lose value. It sounded funny tho

[keen spruce]

oh wait that's kinda dope

uhg

i don't wanna

[royal lantern]

i can count the pixels

[grim jay]

Looks good but its too easily obtainable

So many have it

[slow marsh]

You're essentially losing mastery but sure if you really want to be right that badly technically you are correct

[strange python]

If you do all the different mage towers you also get a mount @keen spruce , that's what im trying to do now

[pseudo hamlet]

Why not playing Exang? It sims higher by almost 2k!
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ZoA8ESgRxJ46QASrKQGYB

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t4azvidGpnfy1K2t7ZkEa5

only if u have puzzle box

o wait i'm back on 7 min sims for guild

standby

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kzkGFrq5UqpfDUUBKayNuA

okay only 270 if you don't have puzzle box

[dense cedar]

the magic haste number is 14

[turbid heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mzUsgJZp2uVQ4TvHMLfaWP

[keen spruce]

what are your current talents

that's makin it turn out like that

lol

[turbid heath]

m+ lol

[keen spruce]

cheater

[turbid heath]

ill go respec and resend ❤️

74k for 408 ilvl seems low

[keen spruce]

it's not

dmg ramps up pretty quick with better gear

although your gear is pretty good already

[balmy condor]

74k for 408 seems kinda high actually

[royal lantern]

thats a weird way to say "tier set and trinkets"

[keen spruce]

puzzle, grieftorch, cowl, mythic eggnog, court ring, 4 set, 418 dagger

you're actually kinda juiced at 408

[turbid heath]

thanks for the kind words fellow pumpers ❤️

[grim jay]

No pumpers in here

We all drool on our keyboard

[keen spruce]

I forgot to eat today cuz i was sittin in here spreading anti-puzzle box propaganda

taco bell or mcdonnies?

[grim jay]

Bell

[keen spruce]

roger that

[turbid heath]

the truest artform of pumping tbh

[grim jay]

McD and you can order again in 30 mins after eating

[keen spruce]

last time i ordered taco bell after not eating I ended up spending like 40 bucks and alsmot shitting my pants

gonna stick to a default order

[grim jay]

You know what you pay for that way

[turbid heath]

what are your options other than maccy ds and the bell?

[keen spruce]

7/11 lol

nothin open rn

[turbid heath]

lerl

[keen spruce]

i could get like 17 hot pockets

[turbid heath]

the golden arches but their chips always go to shit on delivery so i'd get the oven at the ready to refresh those bad boys

[keen spruce]

kitchen probably off limits, roommate asleep

hence the food order

i was being all responsible and marinated a bunch of chicken and bough groceries

then lost track of time and now i can't cook it

too loud

[turbid heath]

that chicken gonna be flavour overload tmr

[keen spruce]

well like dry rub marinate

just a bunch of spices n shit

it'll be fine

[turbid heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9DFXjNvuBBTeEBzLn4Yqj9

updated

[raven knoll]

damn I sim 20k less on single target. The difference in ST talents and m+ talents so damn high

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7edTkFxuLYb27FgHUgGGtg

yeah like -18k for a council build lol

[grim jay]

You sim 100k with ST build then? Cant open link

Jk

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f5iKB5MqnB4cs41YE6jx6Z

look i can make puzzle box and exang look worse

[grim jay]

Cant have a spec that high rn

cough frost cough

[keen spruce]

my rat math will take over

[pseudo hamlet]

Considering that my guild will probably kill Diurna in the next month I think I've been blessed by RNG gods!

[keen spruce]

daggie

[thorn crater]

Bout to go open vault wish me luck

[keen spruce]

good luckers

make sure you /hug the guy that sells the sockets

[grim jay]

Wish you all the luck Rngesus didnt spend on me

Man would you be stacked

[subtle tundra]

what a vault

shoulders would go from normal to mythic

but ig finger is the choice...

[keen spruce]

u can always catalyst shoulders later

[subtle tundra]

no. i have yet to drop a single shoulder from m+

[keen spruce]

but also kinda depends on your loot prio for the ring

[thorn crater]

u take the ring and u dont look back

[keen spruce]

ring probably safer

[thorn crater]

and valor gets uncapped next week

[subtle tundra]

i have infinite valor

already

[thorn crater]

u can use literally any of htem and max it out within a day

exactly

might as well speedruns lows for drops

[subtle tundra]

but

BUT

what if..

i can cheat myself into a finger

and get the shoulders too

[keen spruce]

i mean kill eggnog first

before grabbing from the vault

[thorn crater]

easier to cheat the shoulders tbh

than the ring

[keen spruce]

not in my raid lol weve got like 9 people on zenith

[thorn crater]

lmfao

my vault is so trash

lmfaoooo

[royal lantern]

who doesnt

[thorn crater]

https://gyazo.com/33d32f2f442ec47249fab2fa5fadc932

[keen spruce]

boots pretty gud

[thorn crater]

i have 418 crafted

and 418 gloves

[royal lantern]

burning focus is bis boots man

[thorn crater]

and the ring is crit vers KEK

they give the same amount of crit and amstery

same as crafted

only 3 ilvl higher

[keen spruce]

well crafty slots are just a 421 waiting room tho

[thorn crater]

bruh i cant believe it

im still running a 395 boon as second trinket

havent seen any trinket drops from m+ OR from raid

is it a socket angle?

doesnt a socket provide more than 3 ilvl?

[keen spruce]

sim the ring at least

i mean sim it all

[thorn crater]

oh the ring aint gonna be shit. got hc diurna and 415 melandrus

[keen spruce]

troo

[thorn crater]

and a platinum star band 415 for m+ (sims higher than melandrus)

[keen spruce]

idk i'd still just just sim everything. but might be a socket angle

if you're that clogged up with good gear already then a socket isn't even that big of a bummer

[thorn crater]

im 415 equipped

just stuck on 395 trinket

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean you're in the often socket realm now lol

[thorn crater]

and i dont have a mythic raiding guild

[keen spruce]

well maybe not often

[thorn crater]

and 408 diurna obvi

[keen spruce]

but it's a distinct possibility

u should try to find pug kills for eggnog and council

bigger diurna and incarnate icon

chances

[thorn crater]

so

gloves or feet are a whooping 130 dps increase

LMFAO

[keen spruce]

[thorn crater]

i did i got the chest XDD

so we agreeing on socket angle?

[keen spruce]

i take no responsibility for any outcomes from a socket

but probably yes

[thorn crater]

i mean socket would go to flaring cowl

pretty safe socket

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean you're gonna put one there eventually so it's not gonna hurt you

just don't put it in the court ring

[thorn crater]

fuck no

id never do that

[keen spruce]

or you're definitely gonna get a 421 next week

[thorn crater]

i dont even use it all the time

platinum star band sims better for me in m+

[keen spruce]

yeah i've got some random 415 socketed ring

that i use in m+

[shrewd night]

Oh true

I have a socket in my bag from last week I havent used yet

[keen spruce]

[shrewd night]

Overslept for work, didnt get to open vault before heading out

[keen spruce]

give me your bnet info i'll check it for u

[shrewd night]

Its ok, I know its a mythic guzzle in there

[keen spruce]

we're still beating our heads against kurog

[shrewd night]

Youll get there king. Kurog is going to be begging for mercy next raid you do.

[keen spruce]

and our RL stepped down from raiding so idk how we're gonna do dathea lol

i might just 21st man it so we can get to brood faster and i can get my dagger

[thorn crater]

socket sims 300 dps more than the boots

kek

just feels bad to skip a 421 item third week in a row

but what can you do

[arctic cloud]

I’m a 421 icon enjoyer as of today only took forever and it’s not even that good smile

[vestal wren]

nice, gz

[fast fog]

[fleet imp]

[sour citrus]

!trinket

!trinket

[keen spruce]

I used a catalyst charge to upgrade 411 chest to 415

still sitting on 2 charges

[sour citrus]

!gems

!gem

[silk merlin]

am i trolling if im not useing a 418 puzzle box?

[balmy condor]

are you using a puzzle box at all

[silk merlin]

i use 411 grieftorch and 408 controlled current

[balmy condor]

then yes you're trolling

[gaunt moat]

Why was borrowed power a controversial system?

[silk merlin]

ive tried useing it on some pulls and i see worse dps 😒

[balmy condor]

cause it forced people to be online 24/7 grinding it

[silk merlin]

maybe i use it wrong?

[balmy condor]

idk, are you using it every 4 minutes with exsang and deathmark?

[silk merlin]

i use it right after deathmark

[balmy condor]

yep, that's good

[silk merlin]

i try get it with exsang aswell but in the opener its kinda hard to fit it in

[balmy condor]

what

you just cast it the same as you have been

it's actually identical

[silk merlin]

hmm

i only use exsang when i have full duration on bleeds on

is that stupid?

[balmy condor]

that's how you use exsang

[silk merlin]

then how the f do you get that in the opener aswell?

[balmy condor]

?

[dense cedar]

apply bleed

exsang

[balmy condor]

how do you get what

it's literally right there

in every guide

there's a visual

it goes step by step

works 100% of the time

[silk merlin]

hey hey hey... no need to be rude

[keen spruce]

I'm not gonna muddy the waters here cuz he actually wants help

[balmy condor]

I mean you come in here and ask questions, it's assumed you already familiarized yourself with the resources of a standard guide

that's what guides are for

[silk merlin]

i am familiar with that spec in general, just wanted to know some stuff i maybe didnt know?
i have looked at guides aswell... but yup my bad my bad :))

[limber heath]

i use box after spike is that bad?

[balmy condor]

no

[limber heath]

what about grieftorch

[royal lantern]

doesmt really Matter

[keen spruce]

I leave box in my bag is that bad?

[limber heath]

i use both

[balmy condor]

use on cooldown after puzzlebox

[royal lantern]

use the channel trinkets pre-exsang/dmg and its fine

and never during dm

[balmy condor]

bro please shut the fuck up holy shit, we get it you don't play puzzle box, you don't have to forcibly create making bad gearing decisions as your entire personality

[gaunt moat]

It uses the box on the deathmark or it gets the hose again!

[keen spruce]

just low hanging fruit, sry fam. very bored tonight

[balmy condor]

is it low hanging fruit every 15 minutes?

can make an orchard out of your lack of puzzle box

[keen spruce]

it's been a very long tonight. i'll stop

[gaunt moat]

But will you start using box?

[keen spruce]

I don't think i can answer that after being scolded

[gaunt moat]

[keen spruce]

[dense cedar]

large explosion

[keen spruce]

i mean it's a fair critisism lol

I've been mindlessly shitposting about it for like 9 hours in between infrequent productive conversations

[limber heath]

is there any point of doing 5 set?

[balmy condor]

no, because we craft cowl in our helm and then use the other 4 pieces

[gaunt moat]

Well according to Oxi my personality is based our bitching about sin being bad.
You just gotta embrace it.
Double down on it.
Delete your grieftouch and diurna ring.

[limber heath]

how do we get spark now

[balmy condor]

playing the game

[limber heath]

it just drops?

[balmy condor]

yep

[limber heath]

oh nice

[cold meteor]

or 2 weekly vault tokens

[balmy condor]

raids, pvp, world quests, rep boxes, weekly quests, soup, dragonbane keep

[gaunt moat]

Guildy got it from dragonbane keep. Another from world boss

[balmy condor]

drops from m+ at the end of the dungeon too

[keen spruce]

world rares too

not sure if just super rares or not, friend got one from one of the brakenhide ones in azure span

not sure if someone just baited me with dirt, i dug up a LOT of dirt but re-read the post about sparks and it doesn't seem like they should drop from there based on the wording

[balmy condor]

it did drop from dirt on day 1

but it got hotfixed

and no one really knows how bad the nerf was to the drop rate

but it seems to just not exist now

so

[keen spruce]

oh I wasted many hours then

[balmy condor]

time you enjoyed wasting is not time wasted

[keen spruce]

but i did only do like 13 dungeons and got it off my first boss kill of the week

maybe there's some bad luck protection in there that the dirt built up

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

also forced me to pick many flowers which I was due for

[shell kraken]

Question about Wndscar Whetstone: Is the dmg constant (according to the use-description it is) or does it in fact scale up in AoE?

[keen spruce]

scales up with diminishing returns iirc

[tacit otter]

youre still not over it? lol get some fresh air haha

[balmy condor]

it increases by 15% per additional target, up to a max of 60%. It's also how most aoe trinkets work actually after they nuked uncapped aoe

except boon

cause boon still is just raw damage per target

which is why it's crazy

[shell kraken]

Thx

[dense herald]

Whisp any chance you could have a quick look at a log for me at some point

[balmy condor]

depends how quick

if you're about to hit me with some vile question that I'm not prepped for, I'm gonna have to decline

[dense herald]

Haha nah, sec

[shell kraken]

Hmm my vault-sims are saying Current Tech ilvl 408 > Whetstone ilvl 421 in almost all sims.
Unexpected…

[balmy condor]

why is that unexpected

cct real good

[royal lantern]

whetdtone is not THAT great for ST

cct is great for ST

[balmy condor]

whetstone real average+

[dense herald]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dense herald]

Oh right

[tacit otter]

whetstone average aoe and average st, sadge

[dense herald]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XaTqPdBvVNfL98xj#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=20

Essentially I’m trying to work out where the difference is between the 73k I pulled on brood and the top 10 parses
Okay didn’t have wind fury and lusted at 6 mins, and still have a few bits of bis to get, but just wanted to see if you think I played the fight rotationally well

Wasted a lil bit of tea

[shrewd night]

[keen spruce]

wasted tea

never spill the tea

[shrewd night]

Why dont I do top10 parses, also I dont have windfury

[keen spruce]

u had windfury 2 weeks ago. where your windury go?

and last week

[dark token]

The answer is always rng sophic devotion procs

[dense herald]

No no, I’m just making sure rotationally it looks fine. But like wind fury alone doesn’t make a mid blue parse a 99

[dark token]

Go look at top parse sophic proc uptime and if it aligned with burst phase

And compare to urs

[dense herald]

Haha does that swing assa dam a fair bit?

[dark token]

I had like 64k on terros one week and 80k on another

With 0 difference in my rotation

[dense herald]

My god

[dreamy gull]

How do I do the dragonbane keep event

[balmy condor]

I'm comparing to a log, they lust on pull, that tends to help, but yeah, looks like it's basically just a sophic/windfury/pi diff. Highest in your bracket did 7k more with a windfury, pi in execute, and about 1.5x the devo procs

also procced blindside out of his mind

[dreamy gull]

The quest marker keeps disappearing

When I enter shores

Then when I leave it reappears

[balmy condor]

no jeweled signet or eranog ring is a problem too

idk

plenty of reasons

[oak tangle]

i mean are they degenerate assass playing adds on that fight?

[dense herald]

Okay mad, if that’s the case it is what it is, rng will line up eventually on reclear.
Kinda annoying that procs can swing dps so much tho, throwback to shadowlands tier sets

[keen spruce]

there's always one

[balmy condor]

missing 1k here from a ring, missing 500 there from a signet, missing 400 from the gems, missing like 5k from the windfury, missing 2-3k from an execute pi, bad rng

adds up

[dense herald]

Wait is windfury like 5k lmao

[balmy condor]

nah

[dense herald]

Ouch

[balmy condor]

I'm just tossing out numbers

but you get the idea

[dense herald]

Yeah fair

[balmy condor]

think it's closer to 2.5

[dense herald]

Nah makes sense ty ty

[keen spruce]

WF sims >3k for me on a fight that length

[balmy condor]

yeah 3.2 according to bloodmallet

good enough

[keen spruce]

it's a lot

we have an enh trial this week

finally

[dense herald]

You pumped for raza whisp?

[balmy condor]

hell no

I'm pumped that my dual blade can kill chaos root abyss in maplestory

that's what I'm pumped about

I was ready to toaster bath 25 pulls into diurna

raz will actually be the end of me

[keen spruce]

isn't broodkeeper pretty cozy on assas? spicy target dummy?

I don't think we're ever gonna get there so i'm curious

[dense herald]

Yeah assa is just ST

You’re at the mercy of others doing mechanics and kicks well tho

[odd heath]

Boring AF

[dense herald]

But pretty chill and easy fight

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the problem, I can play the fight with one hand tied behind my back

it's so boring

[dense herald]

Hey man I’ll take boring, I’d rather boring than a fatescribe each week

[balmy condor]

you just target dummy and then get told to stop

like 1:30 in

and then you spend 3 minutes resetting

so you can hit a dummy for 2 min

and then they say stop

so then you spend 3 minutes resetting

and then you miss an egg

so you wipe 20 seconds in

[odd heath]

Ye

[keen spruce]

[odd heath]

Diurna summarized there

[balmy condor]

it's the fucking worst

you do literally nothing

you're actually just a hostage to your raid

until they figure out how to do the dance

[odd heath]

I progged as assa boss duty there. But am reclearing as outlaw add duty. More enjoyable

[dense herald]

Dw your personal responsibility will be there for 300 pulls on raza x

[shrewd night]

Ranged in melee

Wildfire enjoyer

[grim jay]

Best moments were sennarth at the beginning. RL explained 2 strats, first one was less melee uptime
Ranged: Sounds good. Melees just cant dps for 10s, just gotta deal with it
Second strat was something different and immediately rangedds go bonkers "BUT WE CANT DPS FOR 4s THAT WAY, BAD STRAT"

[keen spruce]

what strat has either of those situations occuring

super safe stairs?

[grim jay]

It was some weird shit with stairs ye

Bcs people came from terros

And couldnt play mechanics for shit afterwards

[keen spruce]

i'm with ya there

terros was a mechanic check for us too tho

[grim jay]

I literally was dead inside after the first day of starting terros

[keen spruce]

just don't let a meteor fall on your head

[grim jay]

People dying to the spikes that come from the debuff you need to destack

[brazen nimbus]

Noob question which i should know but i dont, when i used exs/DM do i wanna refresh rupture or let it fall off first? Only when using Exs

[gusty mirage]

It’s so much fun

[grim jay]

Let it fall off

Else you overwrite exs tickrate

[brazen nimbus]

Even after the Exs timer is out its still affected?

[balmy condor]

when you hit exsang those dots are snapshot

you don't refresh those

[brazen nimbus]

I should know this since ive got a few top rank 5 but somehow i havent thought about it

Alright ty!

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

the eternal quote

continues to give

[keen spruce]

just proc more blindsides

parse better

[ebon island]

Hello everybody! Can some1 help me with my vault today's choice. Got a Ruby Whelp 421 and i would like to know if its worth

[grim jay]

Just get good killtimes

Parse better

[balmy condor]

whats the rest of the vault

whelp is a pretty mediocre trinket

[ebon island]

here

[balmy condor]

oh that's all bad

[ebon island]

yeah

[balmy condor]

looks like a socket angle to me

[grim jay]

Same

[balmy condor]

trinkets are taken care of with icon and puzzle pretty easily

rings are accounted for

the helm is cowl

belt is dogshit

hands are too low ilvl to catalyst

cloak sucks

pretty easy ring take

[ebon island]

so thrink not worth training etc..

[balmy condor]

It gets beat pretty easily by a mythic icon

[grim jay]

Ring is good if you dont have melandrus/eggnog and if you play some sub

[ebon island]

I play sub for the keys mostly

[dreamy gull]

[grim jay]

Pretty good with mastery enchant then, but depends on your other rings aswell

[ebon island]

using the same ring and Val' kyr from HoV but at a low ilvl (Sub spec)

[grim jay]

And what do you use for sin

[oak tangle]

i have carried my signet that dropped socketed on a M+2 all the way to 415 with valor

[ebon island]

sin?

[balmy condor]

the spec

assassination

[ebon island]

Signet Melandrus and Arcane loop

both 402 ilvl

[oak tangle]

am i a furry if I am considering swapping to be a vulpera?

[random fossil]

You're a chad

With a massive penis

[oak tangle]

do they do flips? that race change toy makes the vulpera do flips like a nelf

essentially yoda

[ebon island]

i ll go for the finger then! Thank you guys! Have a nice day all

[random fossil]

Yea

Many front flips

[oak tangle]

unironically bis for seeing mechanics

[keen spruce]

possibly jsut wives tail, but anecdotally have heard that short toons can struggle with lock gates

according to our dwarves and vulpera in raid

especially on sennarth stairs

they alledgedly just don't work sometimes. but i'm suspicious that they're just bad and are making excuses for dying

[oak tangle]

100% game ahs no bugs

[dark token]

Yeah sin rogues hold their raid hostage by not playing sub

Agreed

also all my assa pulls on brood they made me do staff since I was afk on boss

Very cool wow

[keen spruce]

I nipped that on like our 3rd heroic clear that I would not be doing eggs

[grim jay]

BM boys got enslaved for staff

[keen spruce]

when i've got a BM hunter standing 10 yards behind me holdin his nuts

[oak tangle]

egg gang depsair

[keen spruce]

is it a different egg set in mythic?

I kind of assumed it was but haven't looked yet

[shrewd night]

@oak tangle

[oak tangle]

i made the mistake of doing eggs once, and doing it well. so now im stuck on eggs

[grim jay]

Said I wont do eggs if bm can do their rotation, staff AND wank at the same time while watching videos

[keen spruce]

they still ask me every week on reclears

i'm concerned that i will be executive ordered

when mythic comes around

[oak tangle]

i mean we lose personally the smaller percentage damage for doing it, it's just that (at least in my raid) that percentage of my dps is still mroe than a higher percentage of someone else

[keen spruce]

this is undebatably true in my raid

just link our tragic rupture damage and say that our dots actually don't help our time off boss

[oak tangle]

just have words with tank and be like, don't move it until i break my egg

but i also end up being the one runnign to narnia to get the 3rd egg

[keen spruce]

"tank this bish on my egg or i'm letting this fucker hatch"

[lusty surge]

We didn't understand that fight properly and just let every 3rd egg hatch lol

On heroic at least it seemed like the strat cuz the adds don't really do anything

[keen spruce]

yeah week 1 was like 15 pulls to kill it. week 2 we let like 5 hatch cuz the tank goofed up the route so bad

and one shot it

[lusty surge]

Yeah lol

It was like oh they just autoattack

Why are we breaking these

[oak tangle]

i wonder how much time you could save with that

do 3 eggs, but all untimed

[keen spruce]

we have a guild meme now cuz when the first one hatched I was like "ah we're fucked" in voice

and the add group was just sitting there doing nothing

cuz they got deleted so fast

and were like "nah we're good we'll jsut grab it"

[lusty surge]

Haha

[keen spruce]

so now whenever any minor annoyance happens everyone just yells "ahh we're fucked go next"

[lusty surge]

I could've sworn week 1 the adds did like pulsing aoe

But maybe we were just undergeared and fucking up elsewhere

Really confusing when failing a mechanic doesn't sctually do anything

[keen spruce]

you can speed run that fight on normal at least. probably pretty easy to a bunch of 4 sets on heroic

[oak tangle]

i mean doing the 3rd egg is also "failing" but failing successfully

[keen spruce]

we were doin like 6 eggs at a time in normal the last week we did it

got it down to like 3:40 i think

but there is the rage mechanic in heroic +

so idk how many u can cut realistically

cut 3 wrong eggs probably the play

[velvet wraith]

hey folks, sorry if this has been answered. How would I sim how much of a DPS increase getting both Cowl and 421 ring would be? (Possibly removing my current embellishment from my wep as well)

[keen spruce]

gear compare tab in raidbots

just make a few item sets with the different parameters you want

[velvet wraith]

Alright thank you!

[hardy dagger]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[sick aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[green apex]

Was fucking around with sin late last week and absolutely slamming in m+. What's the go to explosive remover? Just AA/ mutilate?

[lusty surge]

AA if you have to

[keen spruce]

resto druid best explosive remover

[lusty surge]

Otherwise hope your team understands you're not an explosive spec

[keen spruce]

[lusty surge]

If I ever have to mut an explosive I'm leaving the key

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[keen spruce]

is this week kind of a pug nightmare affix set? it seems super cozy in higher keys / grouped runs

[subtle tundra]

HUH

rogue is basically the explosive melee spec

cause you have snd

so you just target them once

and instantly kill them

• long arms

before playing with good healer i'd always top explosive dmg in pugs

by a lot

and so should anyone without excuse

[keen spruce]

i mean yeah if you're pugging

just save your key and hit the bombs

you can hard carry pugs with good explosive management

[storm forum]

Is it bursting volcanic?

[keen spruce]

but if i'm playing with an rdruid friend

i'll be fucked if i'm touching anything besides emergency explodies

[keen spruce]

bursting explosive

[green apex]

Thanks all. I just like helping ❤️

[balmy condor]

Link io to back up your claim mr varas i don’t Trust anyone under…. What’s jpc’s io these days? 3300?

[keen spruce]

add 100 io to that cuz he hasn't finished this push week yet

[balmy condor]

3400 then

[lusty surge]

Ya I just trust my healer enough that I'm not required outside of enormous pulls

[balmy condor]

I don’t listen to anyone under 3400 io

[lusty surge]

But I take your point

[worthy heart]

help i cant read, cant find the consumables section for assa:O

[balmy condor]

Because I’m incapable of forming my own opinions and need to find someone’s opinions to copy into my brain

[lusty surge]

I've been known to lob a knife now and then

[subtle tundra]

i love balls

[balmy condor]

Vers flask, crit runes

[storm forum]

Collectively we probably have 3400 io right

[worthy heart]

tyvm

[balmy condor]

He just like me

[lusty surge]

I got to 2729 last week

Just good enough to know how bad I am

[balmy condor]

I’m like, almost 2600?

Because I don’t care anymore

[keen spruce]

I'm just gonna get 2900 and stop pushing

[balmy condor]

And mushroom game

[keen spruce]

didn't they make a maple story 2?

and was it shit

[balmy condor]

Yeah and it was dogshit and they closed the servers 1.5 years later

It just full flopped

[storm forum]

I wanna get my portals and then I think I'm done. I'm like 2600ish too

[keen spruce]

maybe i'll spin up the old maple story again

[balmy condor]

It’s a good time

[keen spruce]

it's been over a decade i think

[balmy condor]

Real chill

[normal kite]

should be a old school sever floating around somewhere

[balmy condor]

Oh

Completely different game then

[keen spruce]

there still mushrooms

[balmy condor]

If you haven’t played in 10 years maplestory is unrecognizable

[strong badger]

is it possible somewhere to simulate what consumables benefit your character the most?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[keen spruce]

same game

[balmy condor]

Yeah but we did the work for you! Vers flask and crit rune

[balmy condor]

Lots of account building now and 1-200 is considered tutorial

[keen spruce]

yo maple story free?

say less

that's a pice i can get behind

[lusty surge]

I really want to push for the title, me and one of my guildmates got pretty close in a couple SL seasons

[balmy condor]

Yeh, reboot server is also no micro transactions

[lusty surge]

Don't think it's in the cards for me this season though

[balmy condor]

Well

[lusty surge]

Especially on sin

[balmy condor]

Not entirely

But it’s quality of life micro transactions cause you buy a pet, and then a 2x a year battle pass for the events

[keen spruce]

I played world of tanks for 8 years

i am unphased by micro transactions

[balmy condor]

But it’s basically no micro transactions