assassination

[twin leaf]

i can t understand how assas is so low in dps rankings in both hc and m raid this xpack

[nocturne current]

Primitive technology compared to today but the fights were spectacular.

[spice mulch]

INTERUPTI SKULL BASHII WOHOO

[nocturne current]

Alysrazor must've been one of, if not the most fun fight I did.

[raven knoll]

Oh boi

[nocturne current]

Then proceeded to wipe in Ragnaros around 300 times, burn out, leave guild. Then guild kills it next raid.

[gusty mirage]

What’s confusing about it

[shrewd night]

Destruction warlock with firelands staff. Empowered soul fire wahoo

[twin leaf]

because as far as i know assas was always top dps in raids

[gusty mirage]

Assassination’s aoe is pathetic and the cleave is mediocre

Terros is the only ST fight in the raid

And by the time people rolled into mythic they got all their tier sets and assassination got nerfed 3 times

[shrewd night]

Assa was always top dps? What happened to mages and hunters

[twin leaf]

i ve never been constant but whenever raid boss dps was mentioned, assas was up there

but yeah i ve noticed the heavy aoe aspect in vault so mby that s it

[gusty mirage]

Ye, until everyone and their mom got buffed post 3x nerf

Arms warriors woke up on a Tuesday doing 13% more damage

For existing

Frost got chain buffed

Hunter got buffed

[twin leaf]

ok now that makes sense

indicators that assas will be too ?

[gusty mirage]

Fun fact, out of the 3 rogue specs assassination got nerfed harder than the other 2

Despite only doing ST well

[twin leaf]

hardly makes any sense

hardest spec to pull in pve and they nerf it xD

mindblown

[bold drum]

assa was strong yes, but it only rly did st so it kinda felt bad getting nerfed when you are only rly outstanding in one thing

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m still trying to figure it out myself

Especially after the BM hunter aura buff

Meanwhile all we got since the nerfs was our build diversity got gut

[bold drum]

looking at terros logs and then seeing bm buffs

[twin leaf]

perrhaps they re trying to make it an only pvp spec?

[shrewd night]

deep down inside Im still hardsnorting copium hoping it was a compensating aura buff for the incoming specific spell nerf

[nocturne current]

Sometimes I wonder if they just nerf Assa out of PVP logs.

[gusty mirage]

We got a talent no one wanted

Because they’re scared to let us play kingsbane and DTB together

Despite arms warriors existing the way they do

[twin leaf]

yeah what they did to arms is hilarious

[gusty mirage]

Also spriest does pre-nerf assassination damage AND gets free cleave for every spell they cast

What a time to be alive

[twin leaf]

it s like the woke up and thought ”hey let s just boost the sh** out of this cuz we can*

lol oxi

trueeeee

[gusty mirage]

They press ignore pain for dps gain lmao

The balancing team at blizzard is almost as good as their implementation of the trading post

[twin leaf]

another hard to swallow pill

after doing so many ballances

how can it STILL be so hard to get it right

[gusty mirage]

Thank god we have aoe shiv, which applies hemotoxin in pvp

Can’t imagine why assassination is giga busted in pvp

[twin leaf]

when they ballance it s like the first 3 classes go to bottom and the last 3 go to top

that s how i see it

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

When they balance they don’t explain what their reasoning is

We got nerfed because of week 1 heroic logs lmao

[shrewd night]

Just bring us back to ye olden days when we foked on st

[gusty mirage]

Now rogue is “pretty good” in raid

[twin leaf]

it s trash

all 3 specs

[gusty mirage]

And it seems like that’s all we’ll ever be

[twin leaf]

in dps rankings

outlaw was pumping, now it s bottom dps

post nerf

[gusty mirage]

They won’t touch sub or outlaw in raid, because they’re strong in m+

[twin leaf]

and might i say, a pretty outrageous nerf

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

So outlaw and sub get to play the game with 29 class tree talent points

[shrewd night]

I thought we were memeing

[gusty mirage]

Because nightstalker is dead

[shrewd night]

Why are people so serious

[gusty mirage]

Legit a waste of 2 talent points

[twin leaf]

cuz i finally wanted to try assas out

just to see i ll get kicked from everything

[gusty mirage]

The fix is done, balance team won’t let Realz implement it

[twin leaf]

and i m pissed

[gusty mirage]

Unfortunate

[twin leaf]

xD

[shrewd night]

If you get kicked for playing assa maybe the spec aint the problem

[gusty mirage]

Seems like the group is

[twin leaf]

i didn t try it yet

but every1 advises against

[shrewd night]

Who is everyone

[twin leaf]

guild and other rogues i meet

asking them bout assas

they recommend sticking w outlaw or mby sub

[gusty mirage]

I mean all 3 specs have a place in the raid

Outlaw is objectively the worst of the 3 on raz and people still played it and killed the boss

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/petty-zen-deathrow-tf-out-gif-21542533

[gusty mirage]

So when people tell you to play what you like, they’re not wrong

[royal lantern]

no, let him embrace his rage

[gusty mirage]

You’ll play the spec you enjoy significantly better than the ones you don’t

[royal lantern]

you can play all 3 specs, but you always have that weird "allright, im somewhat trolling my raid by playing assa tbh" thought in your head

[gusty mirage]

Why would you

I’ve never felt like I was trolling playing assassination in raid ever

[royal lantern]

i could do the same/more st and also not be deadweight for every single aoe situation possible 🙂

[twin leaf]

exactly my worries 😦

[gusty mirage]

Where would you do more “ST” on another spec?

[twin leaf]

like i was in hc last week playing outlaw

and i mentioned wanting to swap to assas

[shrewd night]

Sometimes tryan, I have a deepseeded yearning towards taking out back and giving you a... Hug.

[twin leaf]

and one experienced player said he respects my choices but it s not indicated

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

If your guild made fun of you for wanting to play a spec in heroic, that says more about them than you or the spec you want to play

[royal lantern]

^

[odd heath]

Experienced player on hc

[static glacier]

we can spec CT

[royal lantern]

like, im fine with going full stupid 1trick assa cus im pulling my weight by a good ammount and the RL is 100%fine with it

but like, telling people what to play on hc?

[gusty mirage]

Assassination does more ST than the other 2 specs, period

[nocturne current]

Hey, I like my meme 100% crit-mastery death from above 160k envenom hit on herb farmers.

[royal lantern]

cringe

who does that

[twin leaf]

that s why i came to you cuz u know better haha

trying to get the bigger picture

[static glacier]

to be fair fights with aoe still have boss damage matter too

mattering*

[gusty mirage]

If your guild needs add damage and you can play/enjoy the other specs, then yes you’re trolling

But it’s not the same ST as assassination

[odd heath]

You can always multi spec. It's not a problem you know.. play assa where it fits, other specs where it fits..

I'm progging M raz as assassination and pumping. Progged diurna as assa for boss dmg, but went as outlaw for adds on reclears.

[static glacier]

arterial turned out to be fake

[gusty mirage]

Boss duty on brood is fun eh?

Falling asleep while everyone else is having fun

[odd heath]

It's like hitting a dummy. Sleepy sleepy

[nocturne current]

Or be like me on staff duty and perma-cry all fight.

[odd heath]

Staff duty was 2 hunters and tank

[nocturne current]

"why me?"

[gusty mirage]

I got so fucking bored I volunteered

And was told no

[odd heath]

So I was on rotation simulator

Add duty is funnier, seems like a m+ giga pack

[gusty mirage]

Brood is a lot less cool of a fight when you’re just stuck on the boss

It’s so fucking boring

[odd heath]

Ye..

[nocturne current]

It's especially uncool for a 7th boss indeed.

[royal lantern]

like man, i feel bad here sometimes

my own problem for playing assa comes from feeling bad that im not bringing 100% to the raid, even thought im 1 of the strongest raiders we have, so its not even a problem

meanwhile some people here get told by their RL to not play the spec in heroic

like wut

[gusty mirage]

But like you need boss damage

It is what it is

Boss died, you caught up on some sleep, everyone wins

[ebon notch]

i lost on boss dam to a bm hunter on diurna

😦

[gusty mirage]

Same

Thank god they’re getting buffed

[nocturne current]

Did they even had the bow ahah.

[ebon notch]

yes

[nocturne current]

Ahah atleast that.

[gusty mirage]

Ours has the heroic bow

Shat all over me

[gray crest]

At least you did more than the sub rogue

[odd heath]

Better nerf rogues

Too op

[royal lantern]

*better buff hunter by 5% again

[odd heath]

I don't remember if I lost on boss dmg on diurna go hunters, lemme check

[gusty mirage]

Well

I’m not trying to be mean

It’s already Monday

If we start being mean now

By raid tomorrow I’ll be gromnak jr

[odd heath]

Yes. I lost to the BM hunter...

[gray crest]

Did gromnak get kicked yet

[royal lantern]

nobody kicks gromnak

he leaves by his own choice

like a man

[gray crest]

He goes to whatever guild pays him the most gamer gummies

[royal lantern]

and actually gives him ONE HEAL FOR FUCKS SAKE

[wary ice]

its not being mean if its to subs

[green juniper]

I liked how sub rogue felt.. because it was new or am I a traitor

[gusty mirage]

why would you be a traitor

[royal lantern]

dude, we are 80% making memes about spec wars

[gaunt moat]

It's a good thing they took away ERs 4th empowered CP.
That was way too OP amirite

[royal lantern]

(except outlaw)

[gusty mirage]

it's a good thing you're looking at every nerf in isolation

amirite

[gaunt moat]

You're not. It's allowed.

[gusty mirage]

I'm not what?

[gaunt moat]

Not right

[gusty mirage]

yeah and your constant bitching is getting old

[gaunt moat]

Do you ever do anything here except being argumentative?

[gusty mirage]

Do you ever do anything here except complain?

[gaunt moat]

No. But I have reasons to.
What reasons do you have for just being rude all the time

[gusty mirage]

Am I being rude?

[gaunt moat]

very

[gusty mirage]

Based on what?

Calling out your bullshit?

[gaunt moat]

^

[boreal cloud]

[gaunt moat]

exactly that behaviour

[gusty mirage]

Would you like me to simply agree with you every single time you decide you're upset with balancing?

[gaunt moat]

also seems like you're not happy about me calling out what you're doing

[gusty mirage]

which, given recent history is quite often

[tacit otter]

these nerfs are like weeks old, like get over it lol

[gusty mirage]

how can I make YOU happy Notter

you tell me bud

Would you like me to send Realz some strongly worded complaints that he's heard already in the last 3 weeks?

[gaunt moat]

If someone wants to vent. let them vent.
you don't HAVE to try and put down people at all times.
not even talking only about me.

[gusty mirage]

I don't try and put down people at all times

You must have me confused with someone else

[gaunt moat]

no i've been here for like a week, that's all you do

[gusty mirage]

weird

because I helped someone out earlier who was getting bullied for wanting to play assassination

literally an hour ago

maybe you were too busy seething at WCL stats

[gaunt moat]

you know what you also wrote?

[gaunt moat]

this

you also like complaining

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the difference is

[gaunt moat]

so get off my back 🙂

[gusty mirage]

you come in here

every single day

and you post some WCL stat

[dark moth]

@gaunt moat How much haste I need to beat BM hunters?

[gaunt moat]

You're gonna need to HASTEn your way to blizz office before balance changes come out tomorrow

[dark moth]

Send me WCL please

[dark moth]

Time to buff warlocks

[gaunt moat]

true and real

[tidal pike]

is ambush used in pvp?

[gray crest]

Did you do a statistical analysis on this data? I only accept a MCMC of data

[nocturne lagoon]

bm really need a buff

[gusty mirage]

not really no, I'd check #pvp-faq and people in #pvp would have a much better answer than anyone in here would tbh

[tidal pike]

ah yes thanks i will ask there!

[gusty mirage]

[frigid kestrel]

Idk what you’ve been seeing, but I’ve been here for a while and Oxi has always been super helpful.

[gaunt moat]

well i haven't. But I'd love to see more of that

i'm not denying that

[dark moth]

Oxi is a fucking chad

[verbal mantle]

[gaunt moat]

btw @gusty mirage i just wrote you a DM but it couldn't be delivered.
tl;dr - not trying to pick fights. you do you. for me, half the complaints are not even being serious.
if they really bother you, tell me why
other than that, i don't appreciate the attitude.

now let's get along

[drifting cloud]

https://clips.twitch.tv/RudeHumbleFloofVoteNay-pAEOvbYBjBsXtrga

[ebon notch]

fk u

[slow marsh]

Catching strays forever daps

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

IT IS HOW IT IS

[slow marsh]

You enjoy it don't lie

[ebon notch]

i laughed so hard when i got linked the clip

we were between pulls on rasz when i got linked

[slow marsh]

Well it worked then right

[subtle tundra]

mrw we have to fking raid one more night to finish rasz

cause the hunter

is literally crying

24/7

i will strangle him

[hardy dagger]

[trail tree]

dw my guild is extending after 1 reclear to kurog

id rather have your cry baby hunter than extending because "sennarth isnt a fun fight"

[subtle tundra]

extending is bait

[trail tree]

facts

[subtle tundra]

we extended once in all prog

[trail tree]

i try to tell them not to extend but they fr wont listen

its like talking to new born children tbh

they dont want to extend because that means we "waste time reclearing"

[subtle tundra]

finger and whispering are big dps upgrades

so unless you have many of those already

i'd still reclear

[trail tree]

we have icons but not many rings

they think that the ring isn't a big enough increase in dps

[thorn fjord]

y'all been posting damage logs all weekend

Doom squad

lol

[gaunt moat]

it's okay, trust in your vault

[subtle tundra]

what vault

they dont reclear

what vault

[trail tree]

they even once said

"Use catalyst to make bis pieces"

[subtle tundra]

i did m+ this week

fucking

blizzard

i want to see blizzard

[thorn fjord]

lol

[subtle tundra]

play 3x melee

[trail tree]

catalyst makes the ring for sure

[subtle tundra]

in azure vault

this week

i fucking dare them

I FUCKING DARE BLIZZARD

STREAM

AZURE VAULT 3x MELEE THIS WEEK

i am seething

[thorn fjord]

Were the other 2 melee DH/War? lol

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt matter what they are

spiteful quaking and 100 anti melee mechanics

[gaunt moat]

m+ 🐰

[thorn fjord]

skill issue naturally

[woeful kelp]

Hello follow Guild member Mikku

[trail tree]

[woeful kelp]

How does it feel not reclearing

Just catalyst it bro

[trail tree]

[woeful kelp]

I still can’t believe that was said 💀

[trail tree]

officer team baiting raidleader into the dumbest idea 2023

cant believe it man

[slow marsh]

Why wouldn't you reclear when you have skip

[drifting light]

Just full clear till rasza 3 times and you have a 30 minute farm. 6 hour investment into giga upgrades

[woeful kelp]

We’ve said it, but we had a gaslighting, toxic and manipulative officer

[drifting light]

Riot

[slow marsh]

Dang that sounds like one of my old guilds lmao

[drifting light]

Nah honestly not doing farm this tier is kinda stupid when the bosses are this easy

[nocturne current]

Wait you're saying my full group being full Static Speared with Quaking at same time in the last boss of Nok is lazy game design?

[drifting light]

Isnt that patched?

[nocturne current]

It's patched when you arrive, but my group still died mid-air as close to landing.

[trail tree]

basically we have an officer who refuses to join if we reclear because he has all he needs so his idea is "we get CE before any reclears"

[woeful kelp]

It’s honestly disgusting, but after all his fucking up. Funneling loot to his friends when our GM was gone, his countless toxic moments he’s finally demoted and hopefully we CAN move on properly

[trail tree]

aka brainlet gaming

[woeful kelp]

But sadly, all but one has a brain, the rest are sadly outside of their irl personalities. Big brainlets

So are some of the players 💀

[nocturne current]

Today in Algeth'ar the bird boss even decided he didn't want to show up for dungeon today.

[tacit otter]

everyone has to leave combat, worked out for me

[trail tree]

💀

like this yimit guy, biggest brainlet we have in the guild

[slow marsh]

Yeah I got the bird bug once too

[woeful kelp]

I am indeed, i just go brrr

[slow marsh]

Everyone hearthed one by one then a smol birb spawned and attacked me. Killed it and it was fixed

[tacit otter]

it bricked a 23 and 22 2 days in a row, absolutly cringe

[slow marsh]

Yeah it is cringe indeed

[nocturne current]

Yeah idk what happened, but something funky happened with the ghosts that one person was in perma combat.

[tacit otter]

you can just relog, you spawn at entrance of the dungeon. but nelf racial etc all work. just have to drop combat afaik

[strange python]

hello everyone, it's ok that Raidbots use the puzzlebox after exsanguinate?

[slow marsh]

yes

[spice spire]

Look at the time stamps

[weak isle]

Good shout to macro?👀

[strange python]

I'm just guided by this picture from the #assassination-faq

maybe this incorrect

[wind dune]

its using both at the same time in the sim lol

just probably showing it weird. but yes the faqs right

[strange python]

okay, thanks

[barren hare]

is there a stat cap

or should i just keep doing crit mastery

[gray crest]

There's no caps but there are DRs at certain points. Like I believe you are going into a 30% DR on crit there. It's just best to sim yourself

[storm onyx]

As long as the sim tells it’s beneficial, you go. Stat balance changes depending on individual gear

[keen nebula]

Why 2 garotte?

[outer cairn]

Opinions needed. Have 1 spark left. Based on vault tomorrow, should I just use it to craft another 418 dagger?

[keen nebula]

❤️

[barren hare]

never simmed stats, how does that work

[gray crest]

You sim top gear as it's more reliable than a stat sim.

[barren hare]

gotchya ty

[royal lantern]

you could also just say

there are no stat caps

🙂

[barren hare]

is the dr something to worry about?

[shrewd night]

[barren hare]

only dr i know of is like cc

how big of an affect does dr have on crit

[shrewd night]

Nothing you should care about, just follow sims in terms of gearing.

[barren hare]

got it

appreciate it

got my first pink parse yesterday so theres that!

[little light]

silly question but where can you see the opener that raidbots is doing when you sim

I was trying to find it the other day couldnt see the option xd

[loud light]

you can't see it if it's a really large sim, but if you do a quick sim for example you go into the full report and expand the APL section, and below the APL is the sample sequence table

just note the sim does thousands of iterations and they just show you an example of how it went on 1 run so it'll depend on what procs the sim got and the randomized fight length of that particular iteration, etc.

[frail ledge]

new to rogue here, im reading through the guides. I was wondering for fortified next week. is it still best to use DTB over AP?

[spice spire]

Probably.
You’ll still need ST to some degree and DTB isn’t exactly negative aoe damage either

It’s a good mox

[frail ledge]

ok so AP is only really better for AA or Nok?

[barren hare]

any puzzle box macros?

[spice spire]

Honestly not really.
I legit use AP on council (raid) only

[spice spire]

/cast exsanguinate
/use “”

[indigo epoch]

Any ptu changes on assas for 10.0.7? Havent seen any yet.

[slow marsh]

nopers

[barren hare]

when u use puzzle box pre pull do you restealth?

[limber lion]

You don't use puzzle box pre-pull

[barren hare]

o?

just use it when i exang then?

[limber lion]

yes

[barren hare]

but grieftorch on pull

[limber lion]

no

You use puzzle box first with exsang

and then grieftorch when it's ready

[barren hare]

kk

ty

[limber lion]

np

[warm kindle]

When do you use puzzle box if you don’t run exsanguinate?

[formal cliff]

before dm

[warm kindle]

So after rupture shiv>box>vanish>DM>garrote?

[limber lion]

vanish - gar - box - dm

but honestly doesn't really matter that much, take one or two gcds

[keen spruce]

puzzle box is much less good if you don't run exang

but yes still not pre-pull

[barren hare]

I’ll prob switch puzzle box for whispering incarnate if no exang

[warm kindle]

Actually could you say more about why that is? I don’t get why exsang is good to begin with

[keen spruce]

cuz it does more damage

[slow marsh]

cuz deathmark

[keen spruce]

bleed build with exang more bleed modifiers

mastery buffs bleeeds

[warm kindle]

Well it’s bad with deathmark because it shortens the duration so you have to do it before no?

[keen spruce]

puzzle box gives mastery

[slow marsh]

no you exsang before deathmark

its bad if you exsang your deathmark yeah

but you dont do that

[keen spruce]

u puzzle box for more mastery, then u exang for buffed speedy bleed that is buffed by mastery, then u death mark to make 2 of them

[slow marsh]

you put up max duration bleeds, pop puzzlebox and any haste buffs, press exsang, then deathmark after

[keen spruce]

all has lots of synergy

mastery from puzzle still good for no exang poison build, just less good than running exang

[warm kindle]

I get the mastery buffing bleeds, but exsang making the bleeds faster doesn’t make them do more it just makes them tick sooner right? So is the dps gain about more bleeds in a shorter kill time? Like less bleed left on the table when the boss dies?

Related question: when you use box does it increase damage of bleeds applied before the box buff?

[keen spruce]

yeah bleeds don't snapshot

[limber lion]

Mastery always applies dynamically, meaning it will increase the damage of your bleeds for the duration of the buff.

[keen spruce]

they update dynamically

[limber lion]

wut

[warm kindle]

That’s cool

[limber lion]

You literally snapshot with Exsang

[ocean goblet]

Is Exsang really a bleed?

[warm kindle]

As I read it exsang just increases the speed bleeds tick by 80%

[ebon notch]

no it is not a bleed

it is an ability that affects all your other bleeds

[keen spruce]

I feel like we're not talking about the same thing

[warm kindle]

So if I’m following the logic the spell is good because you get to push more bleeds to full duration over the course of a fight if you use it. And you use puzzle box with exsanguinate specifically so the faster ticking bleeds get the full benefit of your increased mastery as well as the bleeds you reapply. But mastery updates dynamically so after the buff falls off your bleeds tick for your normal modifier

[keen spruce]

exang enables you to cram more buffed bleeds into a puzzle box/deathmark window

they all work together to layer multiple buffs with damage CDs

[warm kindle]

The alternative to run an extra point in poisons and not run exsanguinate: when should you do this? Ever?

[keen spruce]

I don't run bleed, but i'm losing about 2000 sim dps

by running poison talents and no puzzle box

so there is no justifiable reason to do it from a dps perspective

except that messing up exang in your rotation could easily swallow up that 2k dps lead

[warm kindle]

I was exploring it from a one-less-button perspective

[keen spruce]

yeah that's why I do it

actually 2 less cuz you also don't have to worry about puzzle

[warm kindle]

Because I only really play sin when I run eggs on broodkeeper and I wanted less to think about

[keen spruce]

like... it's a big enough difference that it's not really considered viable

i'm just stubborn

[limber lion]

The reason is because Deathmark duplicates your bleeds. So technically you have 2 exsanguinated ruptures and garrotes during Deathmark, which kind of means that you have 4 ruptures and 4 garrotes on the target during Deathmark, which you then further amp up with Puzzle Box, potions, lust and so on.

Deathmark essentially just doubles Exsanguinate's value (not quite)

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/synergy-gif-25317029

[warm kindle]

Now I’m confused. If I cast exsang and then deathmark is my deathmark not shortened?

[limber lion]

No.

[warm kindle]

Oh

[keen spruce]

deathmark applies to bleeds that are cast during deathmark as well

so you get the full value of the duplicated exang bleeds

then just reapply normal bleeds during DM

and they'll also be replicated

[warm kindle]

So as long I exsang before mark, mark will run full duration

[keen spruce]

yes

exang only affects bleeds that are currently on the target

deathmark does not

so deathmark goes second

[warm kindle]

Thanks! Y’all are uncharacteristically helpful for a class discord

[keen spruce]

normally you would just be bullied into reading the FAQ

i think it's a slow day

[warm kindle]

I did!

[keen spruce]

[warm kindle]

These facts are not in there. Just when to press not why

Wanted to think critically to make the right choice and for that I needed to know how these things all work

[keen spruce]

[limber heath]

what do you guys think the average dps should be for heroic raz just curious?

[keen spruce]

need more information to answer

[limber heath]

i mean if you pugging for example what do you expect ppl to do dps wise

[keen spruce]

like the average of all specs

that's a wild question

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2607&difficulty=4&dataset=50

here 50th percentile

for raz heroic

[thorny pond]

Not die for starters

[polar gull]

started prog on M broodkeeper last night, boss duty of course...but i was the only 1 that never got a stack of the icy debuff......luck or sin rogue bug?

[keen spruce]

idk how helpful this information will be

[limber lion]

wut

You always get it if you're near the boss

[polar gull]

i didnt lol

[limber lion]

Are you sure you didn't get it and was just instantly healed everytime

[limber heath]

yea but was just curious like 35-40k is low?

[keen spruce]

extremely

[polar gull]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9fmMPFjdCzQAG14H#boss=2614&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=auras&spells=debuffs&ability=388717

check the log, my name is fries you wont see me on icy shroud

doubt all 12 pulls i was instab healed so fast logs didnt pick it up

[limber heath]

there were gguys like 400 - 405 iilvl doing 40k max

[keen spruce]

[polar gull]

eh, i was on debuff page

fair enough

[keen spruce]

yeah idk what's goin on with the debuff page

[polar gull]

well then, was i just taking dmg from initial cast and not dot?

[keen spruce]

looks like you were taking dot dmg too

[polar gull]

WA wasnt picking it up either, weird.....ill keep a better eye out next time

[keen spruce]

this is one random pull

not sure why it's not getting picked up on the debuff list

same pull debuffs

[polar gull]

thanks for the sanity check lol thought i was blessed

[keen spruce]

yeah i think logs are just bein fucky

but if you WA wasn't pickin it up either

maybe there's somethin else goin on

[polar gull]

I'll have to dig into my WA whej I get home, I use atrocity he might have it only show at certain stack count that I wasn't getting to

[limber lion]

It's not a stacking thing

It's a heal absorb which goes down when you're healed

[polar gull]

Yeah odd then

[oak hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[worldly python]

Unbreakable stride is bugged and makes you immune to the debuff (still take the initial hit).
You can check by comparing all the top logs with and without it

[lament warren]

ya i was wondering if that talent would cause some jaina shenanigans

[lost idol]

hello, maybe someone could send me some ui’s, i’m pretty new to the game but I hate how everything looks, I tried some ui’s from the web but they don’t have most of the buttons(collection, raid finder and etc) and it’s kind of a problem for me as a newer player ;d

im using ElvUI btw

[keen spruce]

shift + right click on your map

should have all of the menu options you're lookin for

[lost idol]

aight ty, gonna try it tomorrow

maybe you got some ui’s to recommend by any chance

[keen spruce]

I switched back to base blizz UI

pretty much has everything you need nowadays

and Elvui is kind of a resource hog

i would normally just import one that was kind of close to what i wanted then just move stuff around

[lost idol]

yeah ig, I just like how elvui looks, the health bars and etc, if blizz would have it I wouldn’t even bother

[lament warren]

ndui

looks and feels very similar to elvui

but fps of default ui

[lost idol]

aight i’ll try it

oh and btw which of 3 skill trees would you recommend for me as a newer player, I chosr assassination, was it a good choice?

[lament warren]

yeah

depends on your class fantasy

assassin pirate or ninja

[lost idol]

yeah assassin probably

[slim hamlet]

Does Feint work on Kurog pulse dmg after add dies?

[lost idol]

oh and btw about skills, should I use the weakauras? I’m level 40 so I don’t have all the skills yet and I dunno if im doing everything right

[slim hamlet]

what about assassination is really assassin like

Poisons I guess

[fallen moon]

stabby stabby

[slim hamlet]

Sub is the assassin spec

[spice spire]

🤨

[dreamy gull]

https://i.imgur.com/e4i8sKW.png

i think this is my first time topping damage as sin

[spice spire]

Gz

[lament warren]

not taking the bait

[dreamy gull]

im like. 70% sure that mage should have been doing more damage

[lament warren]

yeah but it’s fine

[dreamy gull]

unless frost is giga shit at st idk i dont play it

[lament warren]

it sims 80k at 405

[lost idol]

why is my damage always so low in dungeons ;dd the fking tank is the top dmg dealer always

weird game

[spice spire]

Leveling is finnicky

[lament warren]

low level scaling is fucked

tanks are the only ones with aoe

[spice spire]

That changes once you ge gear and everything is normalized

[lament warren]

healers do high damage so they can solo level painlessly

[dreamy gull]

i swear in every game blizz makes tanks do absurd dmg

lol

[lament warren]

yeah it’s based

[lost idol]

I feel like shit when im playing one of the best dps classes and I sit like 3rd-4th as a dps

and the tank is top

💀

[lament warren]

sin is not one of the best

[spice spire]

Honestly tank damage is kinda eh. Outside or warriors but that’s been reined in

[lost idol]

whos the best dps then

[lament warren]

for leveling no one knows

[spice spire]

Yeah you can’t judge best dps leveling

[subtle tundra]

usually the lower lvl guys

[spice spire]

Top end you can check a multitude of things but answers aren’t always black and white

[spice spire]

That’s true

I’ve never beat a level 10 prot pally

[lost idol]

do you recommend something for me while im still leveling? like to get any items or something, cause this game has so much to offer that im still mindfucked after 4 days of grinding

[spice spire]

That mf autos once and smashes meters

[spice spire]

Nah, all of your items are replaced at max level

[keen spruce]

if you're brand new just explore and level at your own pace. the game doesn't really start until you hit max level

[spice spire]

Just play the game, learn the class and keep going on

[keen spruce]

just get used to your buttons

[lost idol]

is max level considered 60?

[dreamy gull]

they're just padding you are being far more impactful

[spice spire]

Enjoy your run that’s what’s important

[spice spire]

70

[lost idol]

cause I still dont have the dragonflight

ah kinda sucks then, 40€ more ;D

it’s a bit stupid tho, I can’t experience the endgame without paying even more

[lament warren]

i think every mmorpg is like that

[lost idol]

yeah most of em, ff14 needs even more cash cause theres more expansions to buy + monthly sub

gw2 is only the game and expansions

the only one I played which was genuinely free was lost ark

[thorn fjord]

I said i wouldnt check rogue disc today to stay productive at work

Ended up finding a bunch of other shit to keep me unproductive

Thanks brain

[slim hamlet]

I havn't done anything productive since before christmas

[thorn fjord]

I should be studying for my cert

[keen spruce]

same fam

quit my job cuz i had a new gig lined up "Starting in a couple of weeks"

that was in November

[fallen moon]

Is there any way to setup a macro to use puzzle box before deathmark? i'm braindead and fat finger keys to much so i try to keep the buttons i need to press to a minimum

[west vortex]

Ass seems pretty competitive now in m+

Thoughts?

Best enchant is actually life steal with a 3.5-4.0 weapon speed, it’s broken rn and will steal like full hp

[west vortex]

For levels 20 and under I believe

[balmy condor]

Don’t believe so

[limber lion]

Competitive is not the term I would use for it.

[balmy condor]

Aside from iron wire, the other two specs are just better

[west vortex]

Maybe I’m just need more sub practice, I seem to be more consistent on ass

My big problem is cooldown useable in sub I think

Is the yodar guide the only decent one out rn?

[fallen moon]

[west vortex]

Try a spell sequence macro?

Or even a regular cast macro, only problem would be if ur moving it would auto not cast think and use death mark

[fallen moon]

yeah i'm just gonna have to get used to it on my bars

[lost idol]

shi that stuff does something? I thought it’s only for cosmetics cause it glows and all xdd

[fading rover]

i heard somewhere that there is a weakaura for tracking the Improved garrote windows after breaking stealth

anyone know about that?

[trail tree]

Its just a buff track for improved garrote

[west vortex]

Trying u find it lmk, would be useful

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[indigo wing]

hey could someone help me out how do i chage gems in raidbots so i dont keep wawsting gold on gems to see

[zinc frost]

Top gear > select replace existing gems/enchants > select gems you want to sim

[oblique tangle]

What happened to ahve flaring cowl go from worst embellish to best embellish without the ring?

[balmy condor]

stats on tier changed

[exotic hearth]

What's a good build for M Council?

[woeful meteor]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQLJSSSiQJBAAAAAAQiAkIAAAAAAA0IJSJJIJJpFIJkIEJJA

also wowhead has talents for every boss

[mild dove]

Hello fellow rogues, I have a fairly nooby question, since im literally first timing the rogue ( or well, wanting to ). Especially you Whispyr could lend me a hand, since im reading your guide on wowhead in the meantime. Its basically the General ST rotation where its stated to use Shiv to avoid capping charges, but since im going for the DTB build, it kinda confuses me 😦 - it doesnt specc into the multi charge Shiv. Im a fairly perfectionistic person - so I literally try to figure out the close too 100% ( maybe ) too early - since I dont wanna be the Nooby boy thats gettin carried. ( That also kinda opens up the question - if i should use Shiv in general - besides the Opener - or is it basically like Shiv on CD )

[gaunt moat]

It's okay to ask noobish question
even people at the highest level ask those
you can't learn if you don't ask 🙂

it's shiv on CD

Some use it even at full CPs

[mild dove]

Ya- thats a fair point- but I know how WoW can be sometimes to people whom are learning haha

[mild dove]

Ahh okay - ye kinda thought something like that would be it - but wanted to ask- maybe I missed some ninja changes, that are not implemented into the guideyet

[crisp badger]

how much haste yall running now?

i got a 6th spark and not sure what to craft with it, ring or belt are both only .2% inc's

[spice spire]

However much smart robot tell me is good.
(Actual answer, no specific amount just do what robot says and ur chuckling)

[crisp badger]

but id drop jeweled signet which doesnt seem worth for passive/haste

[crisp badger]

yeah robot keeps telling me i need haste but then has me take my crit/maste gear lol

[gaunt moat]

I'm currently at 1,460 (9%) haste
I think around 1500 is a good goal

[crisp badger]

ok thats right around where im at as well, feels good then

[gaunt moat]

at least, i see most high logs with 1500

[spice spire]

The only time you’d super worry about shiv is when running kb, but talent is kind of dead so notter is right, that’s fine. Also he’s right, don’t ask ever hesitate to ask, no one should be ridiculed for inquiring, we all started somewhere

[mild dove]

Also about the Pandemic mechanic- I know how it function ( been playin UH DK for the most of my time - so i know HOW it functions ) - Here on Discord and i think also in the written guide on wowhead - it says, one can pademic Rupture with a low CP - but wouldnt that kinda break it - since it doesnt go to its full duration ( or does it ? )

like- the new thing for me is more CP = more duration - unlike the static X from Outbreak

[spice spire]

It pandemics loosely at its full duration. There are weird timings on it - but in general it’s fine to follow normal pandemic rules

[mild dove]

so i dont have to to 5+ Rupture to refresh it ? ( thats the actual question )

[gaunt moat]

It's incredibly rare for me to refresh not on high CPs
i wouldn't worry about it

more CP = longer duration

[spice spire]

Max -1 or animacharged is the rule you follow

[mild dove]

Fair, me overthinking might be the case here aswell

[spice spire]

You are overthinking a bit here

But that’s fine, sometimes things are that simple

[mild dove]

Yeah - me learning new classes in WoW ( not you DH ) is always a mess- cause im trying to dissect everything

[spice spire]

We all go somewhere. Hopefully you have fun in learning and enjoy it

[mild dove]

since i havent been playing Shadowlands - the Animacharge effect ONLY occurs on If the skill hits the exact CP ? like if CP number 3 is AC'ed it acts as 7 ? if its 2 or 4 its technically just a regular 2 or 4 right ?

[gaunt moat]

you'll see sin is nice to play, it's not hectic as other specs

[mild dove]

sometimes i like the hectic ways of Outlaw- there is something to it- what buggs me out a bit is RTB can be a buttlord at times

[gaunt moat]

yes, you'll also see on your combo bar that that CP turns blue
it's like a mini-game to hit that CP

it's a really cool design

[mild dove]

like- im questing i get 4 or complete buffs on 1 trash poop- and struiggle on elites cause lady fortuna doesnt want to give e anything good

[spice spire]

Essentially, we also run RC (resounding clarity) so it makes hitting those a bit easier

[gaunt moat]

give pre-nerd RC

[mild dove]

give pre nerf arakali in shadowlands back ( that was the point i wanted to play rogue XD ) sadly SL wasnt hitting it for me 😦

i mean on paper it sounded pretty nice with SBS too, only thing i can remeber from Shadowlands really- maybe better because i didnt go thru the mess it was. Anyways I digress - Thanks for the helps. If by any chance I need some more guidance- I happen to know where the finest of rogues set up their camps.

[gusty mirage]

[proper tapir]

Idk what you are reading but I think maybe it means that you can throw a low CP rupture then shortly follow up with a high CP rupture, like you can prime rupture at low CPs. It does the same dps no matter what CP so in certain situations you can throw a few low ones out to get them rolling

[gusty mirage]

I'm assuming you mean akaari's

[mild dove]

im a PoE andy- its arakali 😠

[gusty mirage]

I'll spin your shadows buddy

[mild dove]

but yes- i meant that ofc- couldnt quite remember the name - and that one was the closest

[mild dove]

Yeah, all in all exactly this.

i think it just confused me, since Outbreak is on a set duration at all times- and the CP = more time part + the pandemic kinda confused me whilst reading.

[proper tapir]

Yeah, the variable time is confusing. You just have to follow the 30 percent rule, if I'm going to get Anima charged Rupture soon and rupture is not on the target then I hit a 3 point rupture to prime my Anima charged one. It's all based on the duration of the one you're about to cast. I think the openers in the FAQs use the same logic to prime and charge rupture before exsang/DM.

[thin ingot]

Guys do we have a date or any kind of hint about when exsang is going to be reworked or replaced?

[mild dove]

There is some variation between discord one and the one on wowhead- since im not a huge fan of having to many keys to smash - i try to play assa withouot exang at first- so i can get a better muscle memory at first. But yes, the KB one has a part where its basically rupture > rep > rupture

[mild dove]

sry to ping you- but.. stabatouille + that pic... 10/10 scariest rat there is

[thin ingot]

squeek

[balmy condor]

maybe 10.1, maybe 10.2, 11.0? it's one of the bigger patches

[thin ingot]

aight thanks

[gaunt moat]

10.0.0.7

I'm struggling to solo vexonia
is it even possible

[mild dove]

Does shiv not increase the effectivness of antrophic poison ?

[gaunt moat]

nope

[outer cairn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[mild dove]

Lame - Antifun Police blizzard hit honce again.

[severe sparrow]

favorite time to feint on terros, go

[thin ingot]

you can feint both the beam and the sands

[gaunt moat]

never cause then i do less dps

Serious answer: most damage in that fight isn't fatal unless you fuck up

but i feint for soak

[severe sparrow]

yeah you can feint like everything i just wasnt sure if people had a more preferred favorite thing

[thin ingot]

soaks barely do damage if done correctly, you wanna feint the beam that comes after

and it comes just in time for the sands too

[gaunt moat]

what do you mean by feint for beam?
when it breaks pillars it deals raid damage?

[thin ingot]

yeah

a lot

the first beam breaking pillars, should have phrased it better you're right

[strange python]

Can't really find anything about it. Any real preference on poisons for dtb builds?

[woeful meteor]

deadly + amp

also its in #assassination-faq

[strange python]

Maybe I'm blind. Can't find it. But ty

[signal rivet]

What are people generally playing for Dathea prog?

[balmy condor]

pure single target

[balmy condor]

little outdated

since we run DTB now in m+

but the idea is there

need to rewrite it

[gaunt moat]

I'm thinking of taking whetstone to Dathea.

they only brought me for a few tries, but clearing platform took too long

[gray crest]

are you playing sin?

[oak tangle]

Re terros, you can cloak the totally physical looking fights damage

[gaunt moat]

yes

that's why i'm probably gonna be sat out this week 🥲

[gray crest]

if you play sin on dathea you are on boss 9 times out of 10

[gaunt moat]

tell that to RL

he prefers taking more DHs and warlocks

[wind portal]

is it normal for exsanguinate to remove 10s of garrote's duration immediately?

[balmy condor]

yes

it cuts the duration in half

[woeful meteor]

just play your normal st gear if the small ones arent dead by the time the infuser dies blame the DH, Monk or whatever your running

[gaunt moat]

arcane mages

[woeful meteor]

Playing Platform on Sin is kinda cringe tho

Who do you have on Boss then?

[gaunt moat]

BM, unholy, warlocks

[woeful meteor]

unless you play triple dk weird strat, are you 1/3 ir 2/4 for platforms?

[gaunt moat]

what do you mean 1/3 ir?

(we just started progress)

[woeful meteor]

first and third or second and forth plattform

2 and 4 is playable for Sin imo 1 and 3 is not

[gaunt moat]

why's that?

cooldown timing?

[woeful meteor]

ye

first is at like 90 sek so you have nothing up

[gaunt moat]

uh, i'm confused
you want CDs for the platform?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[gaunt moat]

why? you don't wanna nuke big add

[woeful meteor]

You kinda want to, big add not dying will wipe you

and if the smallies dont die before that just blame your aoe classes

[gaunt moat]

We only had 2 attempts at platform, but to me it felt like big add was dying fast, but small adds weren't

[woeful meteor]

thats a skill issue on the aoe side then

[feral rivet]

If you have ST specced ppl up there that might happen, seems like a really strange way to go

[woeful meteor]

also having 1 smallie surving isnt that big of an issue

[gaunt moat]

i see. when i was up i targeted small adds mostly

[woeful meteor]

but if you only made it there a few times, people stilll have to get a feeling for that

[gaunt moat]

with wet noodle ST

(just FoK and PBs)

[feral rivet]

If your RL wants you on platforms you really should be playing one of the other 2 specs imo

[gaunt moat]

You don't even go up to platform?

[spark lichen]

is assasination rogue uncapped aoe? I play outlaw and got absolutely destroyed by an assasinsation rogue in m+ academy...

[gaunt moat]

Only poison bomb is uncapped

that's why above 8 targets sin damage can skyrocket

[woeful meteor]

if you want to stay sin and have to play a platform get your rl to put you on 2 and 4

[spark lichen]

ah, thanks

[feral rivet]

There are some pulls in academy where outlaw cant keep up with a large number of specs

[gaunt moat]

saga, do you not even go up platform?

[feral rivet]

I do, so I play sub on dathea

[gaunt moat]

yeah, i can't play sub, haven't practiced it at all, and i just like playing sin

[woeful meteor]

Ideally on Sin you dont play a platform or play only the third

[feral rivet]

Yeah, I did exactly that (only 3rd) on a few pulls on progress as sin but we lacked some dmg on platforms so RL asked me to go sub

Then i got boon from first kill and was asked to stay sub for rest of progress too

[gaunt moat]

well i'm probably not gonna be taken anyway, so i don't have to worry too much about it,
but thanks for the tips.

[feral rivet]

If you do get taken you could just talk to your RL i suppose and explain what lines up with CDs to make you useful. Or practice sub on dummies for an hour or two 🙂

[woeful meteor]

Simulator 🙂

[feral rivet]

I like both sin and sub equally so its np for me but i understand why people dont want to. When i mained feral i would never go boomie for example unless threathened by violence

[gaunt moat]

hah

[dreamy gull]

Sub is my favorite spec for when I'm stoned

[gaunt moat]

I do feel like we kinda want to save CDs for dathea herself.
but i guess if big adds doesn't die fast enough, what you're saying makes a lot of sense

[dreamy gull]

[gaunt moat]

Sub requires like a very specific sequence of buttons. i'm just gonna mess it up and hate myself

[feral rivet]

Dathea dmg isnt as important as platform dmg, theres no real dpscheck there

Except after 4th platform obv but she will be quite low then already

[dreamy gull]

Gloomblade gloomblade gloomblade eviscerate

[gaunt moat]

i mean during shadow dance

you gotta build madabare thing etc.

[royal lantern]

its a 100%set rotation mate

lol

[dreamy gull]

Idk I just roll my face over the keyboard and when I look up everything is dead

[gaunt moat]

you know any good sub video guide?

[carmine dawn]

@ebon notch when did you use 2nd box

no way you held for 1st shield?

[ebon notch]

I was playing exsang so yeah

[carmine dawn]

yikes ugh

[ebon notch]

First 2 sets of CDs on boss p1

[carmine dawn]

ok ill just hold it

[ebon notch]

Then 3rd set I lined it up with first shield

[carmine dawn]

its either that or

1st set of adds?

[ebon notch]

But whispyr said IP was better than exsang

[ebon notch]

I didn't have 3rd DM up for first pack

Was 15s off

So I held

If I could use it beginning of P1 intermission I would've sent it

[carmine dawn]

i cant hold 2nd DM for box in p1

shes already in the air

[ebon notch]

Nono

[carmine dawn]

kinda fucked

i hate box bro

[ebon notch]

You send 2nd dm

On cd

3rd is with box

On p2 first shield

[carmine dawn]

thats just holding box for so long

sucks

wait

[kind talon]

No it’s holding box for 1 minute right

[ebon notch]

2 mins

[kind talon]

Ah 2 mins

True

[ebon notch]

But technically 1 min

[kind talon]

Holding dm and box for a min

[ebon notch]

Cause you wouldn't use it till DM came up anyway

[kind talon]

But shield 100% dam increase

[ebon notch]

I mean if you play assa you're there for boss dam and p3

You don't really exist in the intermissions

[kind talon]

I mean you dont like not hold for shield

[ebon notch]

I lined it up for first shield then sent on cd

To milk boss dam

Ymmv

[kind talon]

Aren’t shields 1 min

Or are they 1:30

[ebon notch]

1 min 20/30

[carmine dawn]

@balmy condor add new music to ur playlist

wait no add new music to jake

[spice spire]

You milking bro?

[ebon notch]

I yell "illegal milk" in the p3 transition

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/milk-milk-meme-meme-lol-get-milked-gif-25053782

[ebon notch]

Cause you can hit the boss but it's 95% DR

[barren hare]

guys im trying to log but getting this message

[carmine dawn]

backj to jail

bye

[balmy condor]

k

[balmy condor]

okay, have you tried doing what it says

[barren hare]

am now

i just deleted the whole logs file and now loading back into game to turn it opn

[royal lantern]

how many times did we go over "we cant read" by now

[outer moon]

Hey y'all.. Aside from Spiteful being the most annoying shit in the game right now, how do you generally deal with tanks who absolutely insist on staying in combat for 85% of the key?

[simple stratus]

Go night elf

[lucid mirage]

vanish on cd, go nelf, prey

[outer moon]

Yeeeah. Someone said "Go Outlaw problem solved" OH OKAY

I might just make a macro for that actually. "Benefits of letting me restealth. 1: DPS. 2: AOE silence. 3: Less rogue tears in your key." But yeah you right, gotta make a tank buddy

[oak sky]

not restealthing is also a good option

[kind talon]

its pretty bad in spiteful tho

so like u can just not restealth

[oak sky]

just learn how to play without restealths and stop getting tilted

[kind talon]

and take the L

[outer moon]

Yeah, spiteful can eat shit

[lucid mirage]

my guy @kind talon you are keeping me in all 3 channels at this point

preach

[oak sky]

restealths end up not being as huge of a loss as you might think

so just roll with it

[kind talon]

restealthing every pull on spiteful week is a major time loss

its not worth to ask for it

[oak sky]

in any week its probably a loss

[kind talon]

you can get restealths off after a lot more packs in non spiteful weeks

but yeah

[outer moon]

I'll keep it in mind. Haven't done this since bfa, it's a bit different

[kind talon]

theres not that many dungeons where you chain perma tho

u can still get restealths in a lot of them

even on spiteful week

[outer moon]

AA is the one I'm dreading on fort esp the trash leading up to 3rd boss

Not for damage but for silence/cc

[kind talon]

you have 4 other teammates and you get IC in stealth for one pack, IC + Vanish for the other

but like coordinated stops are a thing

you dont have to carry

[royal lantern]

realise that no stealth is not such a giga dealbreaker as you first thought it is overall, tell your tank to do proper chainpulls, and not stupid chainpulls(cus 99%of tanks do shit chainpulls and have no idea how to do proper ones)

no dear tank, pulling the next pack when the current pack is at 5%hp is not chainpulling 🙂

[outer moon]

THATs the shit I'm talking about, yeah. It's annoying and pointless.

[kind talon]

huge value

when healer has no mana

[royal lantern]

either pull the next pack when the current one is at like 35%

[kind talon]

its even better

[royal lantern]

or dont do it at all

[oak sky]

love that with bolstering

[royal lantern]

but yeha, no stealth is not THAT much of an lost

[outer moon]

But Dekai to your point yeah.. I pugged to KSM on Enhance and all I did was carry because no one wants to interrupt shit. I gotta change mindset here

[royal lantern]

like, yeha, ofc you would prefer a big IC stealth garrote

and for big pulls/hard packs you absolutely want it

but its not "if i cant stealth, i will do 0 dmg" you just do a bit less and thats it

[outer moon]

Thanks for the advice ❤️

[waxen pulsar]

Erm, is 78.127 sim decent? I Feel like I might be lacking a bit

Most of my gear is Crit / mastery, besides the tier pieces and cape, cape being haste / versatility and

418 crit versa dagger / 408 crit versa dagger

[jade abyss]

Go sub run for my life
I learned that you must deal with it, for me personal im a bit shy to vanish on trash.
I ask the tank everytine if he can let me go in stealth before boss pull. Thats what annoyed me the most.. and the trash in AA for the bird boss bcs your stealth getting break without taken damage why?

[kind talon]

It’s not bad

[waxen pulsar]

Yea but, how much should it be? I am on 411 ilvl

I feel like it should be 80-85k at least in this range

[kind talon]

It’s not about how much it should be, it is what it is, you can try simming different talent setups and droptimizer sims to see what you could change / big gear that you are missing

[waxen pulsar]

I guess I could craft a 418 crit master dagger this week, to replace my 408 crit versa one

I miss the eranog ring, that is for sure a big dps decrease.

And for talent setups, I am using the dtb build with exa

[lavish wagon]

Hello guys sorry if there is any messaged pinned but I didn’t find. How much is good the darkmoon deck: dance after the fix?

[trail tree]

i consider it a if you dont have anything use it but its not all that great from my own sims

[balmy condor]

it's pretty painfully mediocre

[indigo sphinx]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[thorn crater]

i was so proud i hit 415 ilvl. then i realised people actually have mythic raiding guilds and 415 is nothing right now lol

[royal lantern]

eh

its rng mate

and like, outside of tier and trinkets, raidloot is ussules anyway lmao

[pallid spindle]

what is the opener without serrated bone spike?

[oak tangle]

All you peeps complaining about being allowed to stealth.

NELF

[shrewd night]

What the fuck are trinkets and where do I get them

[green juniper]

411 broodmama dagger gonna carry my ass lil bit.. but i am a scrub anyways 402 i lvl 69k dps

[royal lantern]

you speak with mr."i have a normal torch and get torch diffed by everyone else" here

[royal lantern]

playing belf or nelf is the #1 reason why wow players get no bitches

[terse orchid]

Imagine having torch

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[outer cairn]

The same, you just don't bone spike.

[gusty mirage]

Damn is that why I’ve been struggling?

[royal lantern]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Ah well, C’est la vie

[royal lantern]

remember that cute girl in the bar oxi?

you talked, you whispered in her ear "im 7/8 mythic" and got her attention

then she checked your logs and saw it

female belf

instant turnoff

[gusty mirage]

Oh thank god

I thought it was my parses

https://tenor.com/view/relieved-faisal-khan-sigh-of-relief-breathe-out-exhale-gif-25666447

[grim jay]

[shrewd night]

Noone can fight your rank 1 irl parses my guy

[teal bloom]

[royal lantern]

[marble hemlock]

Rank 1 booty

[dreamy elk]

80k at ilvl 411 is achievable with decent trinkets and/or Eranog ring. You're not hitting 85k for a quite a few more ilvls.

[kind talon]

then she saw i was male belf

[royal lantern]

even worse

crabwalk stealth

[kind talon]

nah ur coping

[royal lantern]

me coping is different

[teal bloom]

I am female belf gamer too

[royal lantern]

thats all "trust me assa is good" talk

[kind talon]

but it is good

just because its worse composite than outlaw or subt doesnt make it not a good spec

[royal lantern]

"trust me RL, me doing very very slightly more st then outlaw or sub with 0 ways to do aoe, but still less ST then the other 20 ST specs that all also do good aoe, is absolutely worth it"

[kind talon]

i bring execute guys

[thorn fjord]

"I'm smarter than the lot of em"

@gusty mirage how many pulls for Brood

[gusty mirage]

58

[sweet dawn]

Quick question, if I have puzzle box, when do I use it? I have been using it before I do a animacharged rupture>bonespike>Exsang but looking at my sims they do it after exsang?

[gusty mirage]

Biggest pain point is boss group healers figuring their shit out and add group to learn how to not stand in frontals @thorn fjord

[spice spire]

Right after Exsang. If you look at sims time stamp it’s right at the same time as Exsang because it’s off the gcd

So ideally, you press one, press the other so it’s Exsang > cast for PB going > dm

[gusty mirage]

Boss is actually free as fuck

[thorn fjord]

58 is super Chillen tho… Grats

[ebon notch]

truuuuu

[ebon notch]

ur just mad

cause you dont have execute

[next edge]

So

I just had @gusty mirage

this conversation with a raider

saying I should play better, because im not even doing half the potential rogue has (im 85 parsing mythic btw)

and as a Rogue, I should be top3 dps every single fight

because rogue is the best dps class in the game right now

I showed him every single fight on warcraftlogs where Rogue is not even top3 on any of those

[gusty mirage]

just push your buttons harder bro

idk

[next edge]

but i guess warcraftlogs is wrong

and rogue is top1 every single fight

i must suck i guess

[spice spire]

Skill issue

Unlucky

[fleet imp]

Your rl when you not top dps

[odd dew]

What trinkets are people running in M+?
I got a 421 puzzle box but not sure what to have in the other slot?
I have a 398 grieftorch, and a ruby whelp shell I could train up and a whetstone I can bump to 415 if need be

[fleet imp]

Boon gaming

Only real m+ trinket

[proper tapir]

I run box and torch for M+. I also have a stone but I feel like you gotta know your tank's pulls really well for that one.

[mild dove]

Hey its me again, quick question - if i happen to hit Anima charges even if its like 3/6 i use a finisher right ? ( acctuly the longer i think about it it makes sense to consume it - nvm XD )

[late surge]

you use finishers on animacharged cp yes

[mild dove]

Well after clearing my mind, I gotta say i get the hang of it, not quite up to pace- and with little hiccups here and there, but thats mostly due to muscle memory. Only thing seems energy management is still a bit wonky. Also have to add, im literally in HC dungeon gear quality- at best.

[cedar silo]

there are some tricks to it as well for sin rogue

if your 1 point from a charged u can always use garrote to guarantee it

so its not so rng

[mild dove]

yeah true

[proper tapir]

You don't have to game the charged points like that. Play normal and finish when you hit them.

[mild dove]

so far its just been hitting the poor dummys but yeah

i mean, the specc will smoothen out with more gear anyways- for now its practicing, get the muscle memory and getting gear just helps

i mean im 346

stats are still all over the place- and tier set is missing yada yada

[proper tapir]

I mean, we aren't stacking haste so it's not like you're going to get much for energy regen at higher gear levels

[mild dove]

fun to llearn something new- especially for the AoE im kinda hyped- sounds cool

[sonic spindle]

Yea at first I hated echo, cuz I’d get mad at not hitting the charges, but once you kinda just try not to, it feels a bit better.

[mild dove]

That is true

but it will still smoothen out !

[proper tapir]

Just crits and stuff from dashing

[mild dove]

i mean Tier set, trinkets enchants

also you get some haste here and there

just not tunnel vision haste

[proper tapir]

Yeah, we're glad to hear you are enjoying it

[mild dove]

i mean its dummy and arround 5 minutes fight- but so far i was able to have a steady 30k peaking up to 33ish with a bit of procc luck

[ancient peak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ruby aspen]

where i can find best spammable sap macro?

[proper tapir]

What would it do?

[rotund wagon]

Having a bit more haste sim best for me ever since I got alg trink

[ruby aspen]

sap nearest terget, or find and sap another rogue

[gusty mirage]

/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap
/stopattack```