assassination

[gaunt moat]

ANYWAY

[slow marsh]

No its the opposite

My brain is fried

[marble hemlock]

okay and?

they still get PI+Autumn

http://puu.sh/JyoYd/a52bf1e97c.png
http://puu.sh/JyoYf/100c233b72.png

man

getting 5 PIs and Autumn

and he does

3mil more dam

insane

[burnt latch]

well even looking at non external logs even then the best arcane mage beats every public assa log 65 to 0

maybe all public assa logs are dogs or sth idk

[loud silo]

this is wild

[marble hemlock]

maybe the greyparsing 0-parse assa rogue in your guild does, ye

[burnt latch]

LOL flaming ppl who arent even involved in this

classic seli

[slow marsh]

Flame me

I need the juice

[marble hemlock]

i mean, id like an actual source other than "my butt"

arcane mage basically does

same dam

as assa

and once we remove

actual shield dmg

theyre getting beat by like

10 specs

but hey, they can do great burst with a 200% damage amp. sick.

[burnt latch]

yeah, but the best arcane mage without externals does more damage than the best assa rogue without externals, unless theres some unlisted logs that im unaware of

[oak sky]

you would weight it so shield damage= damage right

like

.5 shield damage

[burnt latch]

isnt it .333 shield damage

[marble hemlock]

5 PIs isnt externals?

[burnt latch]

oh was that the wrong log sec

[oak sky]

no idea i made up a number

[burnt latch]

too many tabs open

[marble hemlock]

but hey

[oak sky]

bottom line is weighted damage

[marble hemlock]

once we remove shield damage

http://puu.sh/JyoZ8/4fdaa84951.png

he already gets beat by 2 people in his guild

[burnt latch]

i was meant to show the frostytips and lissmage guy

[marble hemlock]

i mean they look even worse on non-absorb damage

arcane is great for popping shield. but its also great for popping shield early, which is a waste if healer CDs are planned for 18/20/20 seconds of stormsurge

cuz that dmg could instead go into boss HP

im not saying arcane is a bad spec, btw. its definitely one of the best for raszageth raw boss damage

[burnt latch]

it goes into boss hp tho, the timers are dont start rolling after shield break (apart from 3rd shield since it insta phases almost immediately after that)

[gaunt moat]

what do you do for shield as sin btw
talking about heroic for now
i kinda save CDs for first one
then on 2nd i'm pretty dry

[burnt latch]

so the faster u break a shield the more time u have to do damage on the boss

[marble hemlock]

DM on 1-3, whatever else you have on 2

so usually like

puzzlebox+DM on 1, grieftorch/shiv etc. 2

but you just do regular singletarget

[loud silo]

i tend to grieftorch the second since i have nothing else

but if you dont have grief then thats not an option

what seli said

[gaunt moat]

grief benefits from the damage amplification?

[loud silo]

yes

all damage

[marble hemlock]

its actually the exact reason why it makes no difference. if timers continued rolling through shield, breaking it early would get you more DPS uptime where boss isnt absorbing. but it doesnt. so you dont actually "gain more damage" by breaking the shield early, you just waste healing CDs.

[burnt latch]

the timers do continue rolling through the 1st and 2nd shield tho, unless im extremely wrong

[marble hemlock]

so the play would instead be to prolong the shield just enough to be fully covered by healing CDs, and have your CDs clip into the post shield phases where it goes into the boss HP

[gaunt moat]

my logs on rasz are really god aweful. I've only done it twice, once with pug and once with half guild/alts
but like.. 31% sadge

[balmy condor]

did you shiv on cooldown

[burnt latch]

its only the 3rd where the timers arent set in time

[loud silo]

idk how much add phase makes a difference but my logs arent great on it either

and i do like

fuck all to adds

[gaunt moat]

i did terros heroic, and checked a comparision for shiv
i only missed 1 cast this time 🙂

[balmy condor]

improvements!

[marble hemlock]

huh? youre not gonna get sparks or stormwave mid-shield if you break it late. youre not getting 10seconds of free boss damage if you break it super early. its always the same timers after shield breaks, always the same script

[balmy condor]

they don't really tbh

[marble hemlock]

so breaking early is just a waste of DPS if you couldve used less DPS during stormsurge and more outside, because as long as healers can keep up, you wanna extend shield and just do more dam to boss HP instead

[loud silo]

tbf i sit on shiv a fair but ive been pressing it on cd more often lmao

[marble hemlock]

but yeah anyway

i dont disagree that arcane is a good spec

but its carried by getting external'ed to hell in most guilds

rogue does quite a lot more damage to the actual boss

[balmy condor]

85% raz damage is basically as high as it goes tbh

[marble hemlock]

over half the damage mage does to raszageth in 65-0 is during stormsurge amps

[loud silo]

I'll look into being more effective with cds

after next raz if its still dogwater do you mind having a look?

[balmy condor]

yeh sure

[burnt latch]

hm maybe this is true, I actually havent double checked this I just quickly glanced this over from logs some time ago and it seemed like the timers were just set in stone not based on shield break

will have to double check that again

[balmy condor]

basically just gotta kill fast, and pump shields

for heroic parse

[marble hemlock]

well the boss aint gonna do sparks mid-shield

or wave

it waits until its done

[balmy condor]

DM on pull, intermission, shield, shield, shield, intermission, dm last phase

[loud silo]

my highest is 71

[balmy condor]

you can actually see everything on the graph

[burnt latch]

yeah no im saying if u break the shield in lets say 19 seconds, the next ability would come out 1 sec after, instead of 11 if u broke at 9 seconds u know

[marble hemlock]

basically, we used to break 1st shield in like 12sec

and realized

thats a massive waste if we had Cds planned for 18

so we told people to use CDs early and get more damage on the actual boss

and get the shield to 16-18sec duration instead

[loud silo]

actually yeah i was still trying to figure out when i could milk another set of cds

[balmy condor]

intermissions are too quick, nothing to be done

[marble hemlock]

and it got us like 2% extra boss damage

[loud silo]

since most of my pulls were with KB

then they changed it

[balmy condor]

I would try maybe dropping exsanguinate though

exsanguinate is cursed

[marble hemlock]

psure if id get PI during stormsurges and execute, id absolutely smoke every single arcane mage out there

[loud silo]

i dont like exsang rn tbh

[marble hemlock]

by a lot

[gaunt moat]

I know for sure i fucked up on rasz by holding CDs in both intermissions
also i'm still hesitant on using shiv while on full CPs

[marble hemlock]

and im not even a good assa rogue

[balmy condor]

you get it for every deathmark in heroic which is fine

and it sounds good

[subtle tundra]

i really thought you were smart

[balmy condor]

but then you realize it doesn't really do much otherwise

useless in intermissions and on third shield and shit

just idk

feels weird

[marble hemlock]

but its just the arcane mage/demolock attitude, they think that all the externals belong to them and then they do good damage and they see that as justification they should keep getting it, even though other classes would shit on them if theyd get it

[loud silo]

hol up lemme have a look

[marble hemlock]

but then theyd do tank damage cuz their class is designed around getting those externals for whatever reason

[balmy condor]

but rn I'm deathmarking pull, first shield, third shield, execute

[marble hemlock]

and thats not good either

[balmy condor]

intermissions are just praying for poison bomb procs

no cooldowns in intermissions

they won't be up

[loud silo]

i got 4 deathmarks in 8 mins

[marble hemlock]

ye you cant DM in intermission, it wont be up for first shield

[gilded parrot]

In dungeons do I want to use exsang on cd or pair with DM only?

[loud silo]

thats what 3 exsangs?

[balmy condor]

depends on the timing really, not really a one-size fits situation

[marble hemlock]

the way raszageth on mythic works out, you only get 3 exsangs, ye

probably similar on hc for most

[gilded parrot]

Ok so just kinda judge it as I go then

[gaunt moat]

yeah but in intermissions i see my dps 📉

[marble hemlock]

1 on pull, 1 in first shield, 1 in execute

[loud silo]

unfortunately im still stuck on sennarth

because every fucking pull

[marble hemlock]

welcome to assassination

[loud silo]

the same 3 people get yeeted off the side

best is like

16%

[balmy condor]

yeah except I get 3 exsangs on 9:40 in heroic, and 3 exsangs in 14:00 on mythic

[loud silo]

20 seconds before all my cds came back up

[gaunt moat]

telling me welcome to assassination, cringe.

[marble hemlock]

yep

[balmy condor]

just play IP in mythic

idk

[loud silo]

only four DM tho

[marble hemlock]

i actually think that you can technically get 4

if you pop on boss the moment she lands in p2

and shields last ~20sec each

[loud silo]

wait no thats good ye?

[balmy condor]

you should get 4 dm's yeah

[subtle tundra]

i experienced too much black powdering on rasz, i dont think i can go back to assa

[balmy condor]

pull, shield 1, shield 3, execute

exsang isn't up in time for shield 3

[marble hemlock]

so yeah, if shield damage is fine you can get 2 exsang/puzzlers in P2 instead of 1. still only 2 DMs ofc

just gotta pop the moment p2 starts

our P2 lasted from 4:23 to 8:13

[loud silo]

wtf was i doing here lmao

[subtle tundra]

vanish for ss but you forgot your spec

[loud silo]

my bad there we go

[marble hemlock]

thats not looking much better

[burnt latch]

hmm @marble hemlock im comparing a random log from you guys to a random log from us and it seems like the ability right after stormsurge seems to happen after x amount of time for both of our guilds, even though we break shield at slightly different timers

[marble hemlock]

[loud silo]

ye i know

im not sure

but i think i used it

as the boss went immune

lmao

[marble hemlock]

ye, psure the timers start when shield breaks

[burnt latch]

which would from first glance make me think the timers are set in stone no matter when u break the shield unless im missing something else (like weakness or something spell queing the boss wrong)

[subtle tundra]

idk rasz felt very underwhelming, like nothing to omega optimize its all a dance

[marble hemlock]

so you get first wave x seconds after first shield etc.

then first bombs x seconds after first wave

[subtle tundra]

get p1 and first intermission right and then nothing matters

[burnt latch]

no but it doesnt seem that way from a quick glance

hold on let me link u these logs rq

[marble hemlock]

thats what you just said

[burnt latch]

so u can double check mby im reading these wrong

[marble hemlock]

despite different shield durations, boss casted next ability x seconds after shield broke

which means timers start when shield breaks

[burnt latch]

no i meant boss casted next ability x seconds after shield cast

sry must have miswrote

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qaYrm72VJGZdpT6t#fight=21&type=auras&view=events&phase=3&hostility=1&source=143
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3gDrtLyb6WM71Q9K#fight=16&type=auras&phase=3&view=events&hostility=1&source=25

check the boss casts and shield break timers from these

mby im reading these wrong it is a bit early for me so i might just be dumb

[spare crow]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[loud silo]

my third DM should be on 2nd add phase yes?

[subtle tundra]

no

wtf

[loud silo]

?

[subtle tundra]

those adds die

regardless

you'd rather have it in bl + execute

afterwards

[loud silo]

then i would only get 3

[burnt latch]

time between first shield cast and next ability after that seems to be 29 seconds in both logs, but u guys broke the shield in 15 seconds and we did in 17 seconds

[subtle tundra]

do you want to kill boss or have a bit better log

[loud silo]

i want a better log?

thats the whole purpose

of this convo

[subtle tundra]

alright

[loud silo]

ive already killed the boss

[subtle tundra]

you do you

[feral rivet]

3rd DM would be on 3rd shield

If you get a third shield, not guaranteed on heroic

[loud silo]

i swear it was still on cd

i am talking heroic

[subtle tundra]

oh

you do you buddy

[feral rivet]

3rd shield is 2min after 1st

[subtle tundra]

dm in p1 intermission or whatever

then

[loud silo]

maybe im just dumb

and didnt notice

[spare crow]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/nkz8arhQgjfN2BKw/1/3

Anyone got some insight for this one? I thought I behaved properly but it was just a 90 parse. On terros I feel like it's kinda embarassing.

[balmy condor]

Third DM is second shield

Sorry

Third

[burnt latch]

time between 2nd shield and ability after that seems to be 26.5 seconds in both logs even tho we broke in 16 secs and u guys in 18

[balmy condor]

DM is pull, shield 1, shield 3, last phase

[loud silo]

looking at it i did use on third

but the boss was like

3 seconds away from dying on the 4th

so i need to improve my play inbetween that

also didnt have a food or flask on 🙃

[balmy condor]

3:49 ain’t great is it

I mean

Still a 90

I don’t think it’s that bad

[marble hemlock]

well, the logs show that shields are cast 80sec after one another, and just looking at the vod from our kill, it seems the other timers also keep running. so timers are set for every mechanic when phase starts. so i was wrong on that part.

it doesnt change the fact, however, that pushing more dmg during shield isnt gaining you dmg on boss if it means you do less outside of shield. you still do the same overall DPS. mage looks good on overall boss damage because they do so much of their overall during their CDs, and since that means theyll have a higher percentage of their overall DPS output during the amp, they look good on meters.

they basically allow others to do more damage by breaking the shield faster, but you could replace an arcane mage with a class that does less damage during the shield but more outside, and if they did the same overall dps (pre-amp) as the mage, youd still do the same damage to the boss

[spare crow]

So you think it's the fight length's fault.

mh

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s a part of it

Your ring are dogshit, your puzzle box is a low ilvl

It adds up

[loud silo]

outside of exsang we only use ER charged cp for envenom yes?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter what you use them on

As long as you use them

[loud silo]

ah okay

[marble hemlock]

i found mage to be incredibly underwhelming on raszageth, after it was hyped up so much. yeah it can carry shield damage, but so can 5 other specs with better survivability and more damage in the other phases, cuz mage is kinda deadweight in the intermissions

[subtle tundra]

shield dmg is overrated

[burnt latch]

yeah fair enough, i thought i had checked this during prog too and was starting to 2nd guess my sanity

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jyp56/36b73a0f15.png

its basically this

remove 10mil from the mage, it'd just be added to all teh others and make no difference as long as the shield doesnt last longer than what your heal CDs cover

[subtle tundra]

i was literally pressing shadow dance on cd during prog, didnt even get it for every shield

[spare crow]

You are right, my rings are fucking dogshit

[marble hemlock]

its why calling smth "really good boss damage" on rasza is difficult, cuz youd have to basically take their shield damage, multiply it by .33 and then add that to their non shield damage to get "realdps", and thats the only thing that actually matters for pushing boss dam

[burnt latch]

the more precise way of checking the p2 damage would be this I guess

making a custom weight for shield damage

[marble hemlock]

ye

basically do

absorbeddamage > 0, weight 0.33333
and add it with
absorbeddamage = 0

[burnt latch]

ye i just did it with spell id to stormsurge but p much same thing

[marble hemlock]

and mage wouldnt look any better than 10 other classes at that point

assa will also soar in boss dam once people get more damage on rasza in p2

cuz right now you get fucked

cuz you pop BL when boss is at ~40%

so you dont get full set of CDs with BL during execute

[weak crescent]

95s or nothiiing!

[marble hemlock]

at least assa has other value

like pumping stormfriend damage in 2nd intermission

[burnt latch]

lusting nowadays is giga awkward

u get lust like 50 seconds into p3

might start lusting p2 or sth idk

kinda defeats the purpose of being able to afk and blast at the start of p3 if u cant have lust straight away there

might be more value to lust as soon as both teams r on p2 platform

but idk how well u time the boss w/o p1 lust

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jyp6r/b85de88746.png

ill be perfectly honest, i dont understand why people think sub is so great for rasz

[oak sky]

i definitely think its a good all around spec

[marble hemlock]

only thing its good for is 1st intermission

its a good all around spec that is better than another spec of the same class in one out of 5 phases

[burnt latch]

it helps with intermission, now the boss' dps check is even more of a joke so boss dam loses a lot of value

[marble hemlock]

and even then its only better if you need more people on red

sub feels useless in 2nd intermission, all it does is red aoe slam

and it does less st in p2 and p3

(even accounting for the shield)

does less stormfiend damage

personally i think its the other way around. sub was great when guilds didnt have 10+ grieftorches and needed the instant bang from cb/sectech to pop herald shields

[burnt latch]

p2 intermission is less about damage tho, the adds kinda just die anyways its more about getting the CC on point

[marble hemlock]

now that every guild kinda has more than enough trinkets to deal with shields without needing ww/sub/mm burst, those specs are less valuable than before. but thats just my opinion

[burnt latch]

well sub does so much aoe in p1 intermission that it allows others to do less which i guess means playing the fight safer

u can have your hunter go full ST bm and go red side etc

idk just a solid spec

[marble hemlock]

theres definitely value to all the specs, thats for sure

just gotta see what you struggle with during prog, and play whatever spec helps with that the best

[burnt latch]

ye

[marble hemlock]

but ye basically the play would be

to not pop CDs insta on rasza p3

but wait for boss to hit 35

BL is still running ~25sec at that point for us

so i wasted a lot of dam there

good to know for next week

[burnt latch]

we got lust in p3 when boss was like

just above 30%

so ud get another set of 2mins

wouldnt get 2nd set of 3 mins no matter what

so i guess u just hold every time if u play two or 3 mins

[marble hemlock]

might depend on whether you fast-push p1 and how long 2nd intermission takes for you

we had BL when boss landed in p3

[burnt latch]

we fast pushed p1 yeah

before the last winds

#5 i think

[marble hemlock]

we do too

weird that you didnt have BL on p3 start then

[burnt latch]

yeah idk where we made up that time

we got the #1 speed log

[marble hemlock]

probably 2nd intermission

[burnt latch]

probs fast p2 intermission + early phase p1 + fast 3rd shield break

that would probably add up

[marble hemlock]

but ye boss took full dmg in p3 at 10:12 for us

[burnt latch]

we were a bit under 10 secs faster than the next guild

[tawny geyser]

Is it worth crafting a 2nd Crafted 418 Dagger, because I have a 405 in offhand...or should I go and Craft 418 Wrists because I got 402 ones with a Socket.

[weak crescent]

sim!

but 13ilvl on a dagger should be way better than 16ilvl on wrists :P

[zinc frost]

Also Valor cap being removed soon means those socket wrists will be able to upgraded easily

[weak crescent]

true

[tawny geyser]

They are Haste/Mastery tho

[feral rivet]

Socket is huge though

And haste/mastery is good for sin

[bronze pike]

googly eyes

[frozen zenith]

wait so we lose kingsbane for a mid aoe option but bm hunters get a flat buff to buff their aoe

[slow marsh]

The cycle of sin gamers

[spare crow]

i finally got it thank god lmao

[green juniper]

guys what do we want from our rings ? i went for crit

[vestal wren]

crit is aways good

[arctic cloud]

hov ring sims better for me than this 😦 sad

[regal sable]

im so happy

i can finally go zoom

[rigid apex]

How do I remove a bone spike from a training dummy?

[hollow river]

basically have to logout afaik

[rigid apex]

Thanks

[limber lion]

Just fly away and back

Just need to outrange the dummy a bit

Can basically just boost once with the drake and then fly back and should be gucci

[limber lion]

Grats :)

[limber lion]

Grats :)

[limber lion]

A socket alone is worth like 15 ilvl on wrists. Definitely get the dagger

[next arch]

!gems

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[versed mica]

LET FLY

[nocturne current]

I can't play Ashe in League of Legends the same anymore because she also constantly says Let Fly. Ahah.

[distant mesa]

Is this AP/InCarn build floating about any good?

I thought CT didn't react to our poisons for energy

[dire spoke]

when

[gaunt moat]

You missed it, it was in 2019

Also. Holy shit discord keeps logs from 5 years ago 😲

[distant mesa]

[gaunt moat]

Stream highlights:
https://youtu.be/WyD_oesdxiI

That's so old that iWin wasn't even banned

[outer cairn]

So Dr. T ASMR

[gaunt moat]

btw he still wants to come back

[balmy condor]

AP/incarn?

which build exactly are you talking about

[outer cairn]

He means IC

[balmy condor]

Okay

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor what does Iwin needs to do to come back. He's been banned for 5 years 😂

[balmy condor]

I’m still not sure what’s weird about playing ap and carnage

That’s just recommended talents

For m+

Very weird

[outer cairn]

If he comes back would he change his name to to ulose?

[gaunt moat]

Problem is, Stjern banned him. Not me

[warm parcel]

I only enjoy vietnam war asmr

[outer cairn]

I haven’t played AP/IC. The FAQ even says generally not recommended

[balmy condor]

Ap/ic is weird yeah

It’s not bad though

[outer cairn]

https://youtu.be/fLZlxVzoG9Y

[balmy condor]

I Just don’t get why the confusion is all

The builds there

You can try it

[flint ridge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[outer cairn]

I might. I know it’s a ST loss so probably wait till next week

[distant mesa]

Yeah, was looking at it the other day when I'm only doing about 60-80k overalls, depending on the dungeon with the DtB/IC build

Didn't know if its dmg profile was literally all AE

[balmy condor]

Yeah playing without dtb is like

Negative single target

[outer cairn]

Hopefully they do something other than throw us a new capstone which is only good for one fight

[gaunt moat]

And even on that fight kinda poop

[subtle tundra]

and reduce our build diversity

and fix our god awful class tree which has 1 choice

do i want tea or no tea

which barely matters

thanks blizz

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry
Next patch it's gonna be good.
Next patch

We'll also get 5% buff

We'll have good cleave

[distant mesa]

You think lol

[thorn crater]

wait

why do we need a buff?

[distant mesa]

Pres evo literally is so op, and got a 3% nerf

Like don't even nerf it at that point

[gaunt moat]

Why does BM needs buff?
Same answer

[distant mesa]

You are snorting way to much copium if you think we get that buff after the dmg we did at beginning of the xpac

It's like watching frost mage at the beginning of SL ask for a buff and get further nerfed instead

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry, I've scheduled a meeting with Bobby

I got this.

[strange python]

Where can i see the notes?

[distant mesa]

"how do we keep the sub numbers high", "quick let's release something where if people are logged in and subscribe every month they get a currency! That should keep people right?" -> insert trading post here

[subtle tundra]

idk what a trading post is

[distant mesa]

The thing that came out this week?

[gaunt moat]

New feature to buy old/unique cosmetics, pets and mounts for in-game currency

[distant mesa]

That's why the celestial steed isn't in the store anymore

I'm probably one of the only people that just saved the 2k coins and froze the ensemble

[gaunt moat]

I don't really care for transmog, i like using current tier

[royal lantern]

dont worry

nightstalker fix soon

trust me

or not forcing assa to spend 50%of its points to be playable with seal fate

or find weakness not making 2dance unplayable for sub, and making shadowdance unplayable for assa and then balance many stealth talents around shadowdance

or fixing sub left side

or fixing assa layout and give it some form or raid aoe/cleave without losing all its ST dmg

its all happening in 2weeks, trust me

[burnt star]

Dont forget extended range not working with your strongest ability

Or making your vanish strike erase u from existance faster then thanos finger snap

[dreamy gull]

I like the class tree

It's not perfect but overall there are a lot of cool options

[peak bobcat]

You like the choice of 10 energy off or crimson vial or 3% physical damage reduction?

[gaunt moat]

and how often do you play with these many options?

[dreamy gull]

...uh yeah?

[gaunt moat]

his point was, that's the only choice you can play around with

[subtle tundra]

yes my options on assa are

and thats it

did you like the list

[dreamy gull]

Idk if it's reasonable to expect a diverse set of options for every spec

Across the class nearly everything there sees play though

[gaunt moat]

New primal gems gonna fix sin, don't worry

[limber heath]

what trinks are you guys using?

[royal lantern]

we gonna get 4%more dmg trought them

(meanwhile dh gets +9% trought some interaction or shit like that)

[brazen zodiac]

new gems? ;o

[distant mesa]

Box+icon

[thorny pond]

just give us back old frost shards

ya know

[gusty mirage]

I’ll give you something alright

[thorny pond]

I fucking wish

slay me

[normal mist]

I was wondering why lariat 418 (from 405) is a bigger dps upgrade than a 418 dagger from 405)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9nvRH4xG7WXqv3PZeoJYHu

[winter gale]

Is there preferable platform for us on dathea prog?

[storm onyx]

Couse it is offhand

[normal mist]

sadge, welp it is what it is, ill upgrade the dagger second then

[thorny pond]

main platform

[marble hemlock]

The center one with the boss

[thorny pond]

if not you can line up vanish with IC/Garrote on the evens

[stuck ridge]

primal gems coming when? isnt it next tier

[dense hamlet]

anyone here have autumn simc c string

or just blessings in general

[brazen zodiac]

when u get a spark on ur alt from the siege

feelsbadman

[arctic cloud]

imagine ever getting a spark

[brazen zodiac]

ive picked like 130+ piles of dirt too on my main and did all the chest shit lul

i wonder if maybe just afk hunts again xd

[loud silo]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[agile breach]

Is assassin fun?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[agile breach]

It’s good at single target right?

[dark bridge]

It's okay

[dreamy gull]

Sin is fun

Less frantic than other specs imo

[distant swift]

I swapped from law to sin and i fucking love it Never played law before

Sin *

[fleet imp]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[oak hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

Hi

Can someone tell me a basic strategy in solo shuffle for sun rogue

And where I can copy a talent build

Sin*

[winged veldt]

Get a sap and blind off it as an opener. Otherwise maintain bleeds and use kidney. That alone will net a 2.1 or 2.4 lol

@strange python

[strange python]

That’s it ..

[subtle tundra]

#pvp

#pvp-faq

[mighty zenith]

How do you guys restealth in mythic plus?

[night crag]

!spread

[oak sky]

press the stealth button when out of combat

if the tank chains you dont restealth

[mighty zenith]

Lol I figured that

Yea that’s the problem i@ having with the tanks

Im*

[oak sky]

it doesnt actually end up being that big of a deal to chain

chaining is actually decent because you go into new packs with energy from the previous mobs

and potentially scent of blood ruptures

[mighty zenith]

That makes sense.

[oak sky]

just try to use your vanish wisely and shadowmeld if ur a nelf

[mighty zenith]

We’ll ty. I’ll try to look at it in a different light

[dreamy gull]

Most of the time id guess not letting u restealth is tanks not thinking about it

And not calculated

[amber stream]

Hey guys. Can someone advise me what piece shall I craft. I can craft flaring cowl 418 and remove embelleshment from main hand and equip chest, upgrade the signet or craft the 2nd ring ( landed me 1.5k extra dps)
Please find my logs here: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3TihFv9J2SsTM3nZjih2eV

[vocal stone]

What’s better, DTP or kingsbane?

[strange python]

Dtb

[royal lantern]

kingsbane is unplayable rn, you play DtB for everything

[balmy condor]

Take me out to dinner first babe

[oak sky]

😳

[buoyant tartan]

Hey guys what % haste do you look for ideally? ive been running at 5.5% and feel super energy starved after the first 20-30 seconds of a pull

[woeful meteor]

you play the gear the sims tells you to

% is irrelevant

if you dont have energy drink tea

[vocal stone]

How is kingsbane unplayable?

[woeful meteor]

deals no dmg compared to dtb

[vocal stone]

No wonder my dps has been low

[royal lantern]

New position makes it kinda dogshit

[languid moth]

does anyone happen to have a recently updated PI sim spreadsheet?

@balmy condor is that something you might have kicking around?

[weak isle]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

[spice spire]

Even the sheet done by a random Rl in eu knows how to work it for rogues

[kind talon]

but everyone knows you give it to the udk anyways

[gusty mirage]

I'd give PI to you

over a DK

[kind talon]

id pi you oxi

know that

[balmy condor]

There’s a sheet somewhere but rogue bad so idc

[languid moth]

That’s fair. I found an early one from week 2 or something and sin was number 3 behind UH/evoker but I figured APLs and stuff wasn’t done yet

[balmy condor]

APL’s don’t really fix pi values

It just means it can be automated by things like bloodmallet

[storm onyx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit#gid=603920437

[languid moth]

Yeh that’s the one I found too. Sin number three not too shabby.

Having a debate with gm about PI targets lol

[balmy condor]

yeah but what are the chances you don't have an unholy dk

or a bm hunter

or a devastation evoker

[languid moth]

We do have a Uh but that’s alrdy covered. PI number 2 is the debate

No evoker

[balmy condor]

I see

yeh for most groups it's like

if you're not immediately top 3

you're fucked

[languid moth]

Well basically what’s happening is we’re shifting the Healy priest pocket Pi to Uh for his 3m

We have a shadow priest as well

And they’re going on 2m like they’re supposed to

So I’m making the case for it to be on Sin vs Mage specs because of the Pi alignment timings

[balmy condor]

I did sims for my guild to see which person the pi would be better on

and I lost to the warlock, evoker, hunter, other warlock, and a mage

[languid moth]

They’re just like put it on the fire mage

[balmy condor]

and then they fucking die on prog and I get it anyway

[languid moth]

And I’m like for the pull maybe but then they get it outside of combust thereafter

Vs Sin who gets it for every DM because it aligns to SPriest Cds

[balmy condor]

I think you definitely make the case for execute pi

outside of execute though

seems suspicious

[storm onyx]

ours goes to UDK/Hunter on opener, Rog in mid, Wars on execute...

[languid moth]

The problem is having issues with it being dynamic lol

And trust me, the bet is not Hunter for us

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/us/illidan/lemmings

🤣

It’s unfortunately not a this spec or that spec in our group as you can see

All specs are not close to the same pilots

[outer cairn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wraith briar]

is assassination viable

[royal lantern]

its viable to get on DN

[wraith briar]

whats dn

[gusty mirage]

no, reroll uhdk

[royal lantern]

reroll evoker, even you can handle the dps rotation

[wraith briar]

im being forced to

[gusty mirage]

[teal bloom]

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/he-was-forced-to-gif-22184163

[fresh raven]

is it worth it to use rupture on anima charged points if it needs to be refreshed?

[balmy condor]

yeh

you just use whatever normal finisher logic when you land on an animacharged cp

[fresh raven]

okay thank you

[sinful island]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cold fiber]

wish theyd pi my fire mage

[slow marsh]

!whispry

!whispyrr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[jaunty condor]

do you hold 2nd exsang for 1 min to sync with deathmark

[lament warren]

yes

@jaunty condor

[tacit otter]

if the fight is short than 6.30

so you dont miss a exsang cast

[ripe saddle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rocky ruin]

so the m+ build now takes carnage and dtb, so do we run deadly instant or deadly amp?

was looking at the guide and it only mentions non-lethals

[marble hemlock]

Do you talent into Amp poison?

[rocky ruin]

yea thats what guide does

[marble hemlock]

Would you do that if you didnt wanna play that? 🙂

[rocky ruin]

its either that or 2 seconds longer envenom

i mean, i guess not, ive just heard that amp is bad for aoe

[marble hemlock]

Well, it's the same damage as instant for AoE, yeah

There's a section in the FAQ that's dedicated to it

http://puu.sh/JytMv/af2bcc7e63.png

[gaunt moat]

yeah, that part of the FAQ is not updated though

[marble hemlock]

So in the case of DTB, just play DP+Amp always

[rocky ruin]

yea not updated

but i see the point

[marble hemlock]

Wdym not updated?

[rocky ruin]

it says we dont run amp poison

[gaunt moat]

he writes that we don't take amp

[rocky ruin]

in 99% of situations, which we do run now

[gaunt moat]

i told him about that, he said he should he fix

[marble hemlock]

It's also written as if we only play 1 poison. But we play 2. 😛

So if with one poison the choice is between DP or Amp, with 2 it's not a choice.

The important take-away is that they all deal the same damage, and 2/3 poisons have a bonus effect, one of them doesn't.

[gaunt moat]

does wound poison work on sanguinar affix? 🧐

(not that i would take, just curious)

[marble hemlock]

Ye

Also works on the shield of first boss RLP

[gaunt moat]

How does it affect the shield?

[marble hemlock]

Reduces the total value of it

At least that's what I've been led to believe

[gaunt moat]

I'm not sure that a shield counts as healing recieved.
Would be weird if it does.
But who knows how they programmed it..

[marble hemlock]

I mean, it literally works like that in PvP

[gaunt moat]

But if it reduces shield by 24% that's seems really good

On high keys

[marble hemlock]

But yeah anyway, its second hand knowledge so

They typically make bosses immune to it, after the Jailer debacle

[gaunt moat]

Maybe i can find a key to sacrifice for testing

Or just m0, probably easier

[lament warren]

wound poison is only worth it

like

on very high sanguine

[marble hemlock]

even then

[lament warren]

and i don't think it's worth it for sin at all

[marble hemlock]

just have tank

not be ongo bongo

[lament warren]

i mean

[marble hemlock]

Ye I agree

for outlaw/sub it makes no difference

[lament warren]

i had yoda tanking and we still had infinite sanguine right

affix just sucks

theres so many lieutenants

for outlaw/sub it's 100p worth swapping poison between boss and trash

but i think with 4pc and so many talents that amplify your poison damage on sin

you just aren't allowed

iron wire is the tradeoff

[marble hemlock]

Yeah idk, we never struggled with sanguini when we played so I never saw the need for it

But I guess if its an issue, then swapping is def worth for sub/outlaw

[lament warren]

ye

i pulled a random log

a few weeks ago

and wound was 700k+ increase

[gaunt moat]

Sin gets screwed yet again

Just let us equip wound on top of two deadly poisons

Triple tempered blades

[terse orchid]

IC has given me a newfound appreciation for open world pvp.

It's fun to walk up to a clump of horde mouthbreathers and just blow them all up

[arctic hare]

I would like to see this log

[lament warren]

no

[arctic hare]

aww

[frank edge]

hey guys im pretty new in assa rogue any tips for raid and m+ talens and overall some tips? thank you (i played sub only from start of this exp)

[steel ridge]

#assassination-faq

[frank edge]

ty

[subtle tundra]

Anyone has the garret 1 garret 2 garret 3 thing on hand

I need

‼️

[vestal wren]

https://youtu.be/fvpacZl93CY?t=279

[subtle tundra]

Blessed by thy soul

[terse orchid]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[mental flower]

Is cowl+lariat considred best embellishment combination generally?

[terse orchid]

yup

[mental flower]

ty

[green juniper]

I need good shoulders to make 5 set than craft my cowl to still have 4 set bonus and need that fire ring probably.. jesus

[balmy condor]

cowl is good without the ring

[jade abyss]

Birdbox

[royal lantern]

"top of the dmg meter" its 59k

[subtle tundra]

its from bfa

its an oldie

[lethal forge]

How much haste is needed for a good energy stamina assa rogue?

[lament warren]

you will never reach the haste amount required for sin to not starve

[balmy condor]

depends on what's "good" I guess

I would be happy with -25% haste

assassination too fast

slow it down

back to the roots baby

[outer cairn]

Thieves. Scallywags. Morning.

[dreamy gull]

Keep garrote and rupture and snd active

[vestal wren]

yes ^^

[icy iron]

is Tauren Rogue ... Nutty af for Assas? or dw about it?

[strange python]

Play what looks best to you but I love my Tauren the stun comes in handy

[icy iron]

the crit dmg is what im thinking

[strange python]

It’s nice too

[icy iron]

So what you're saying is , Dw about it :DD

And Blood Elf just looks

[royal lantern]

you realise that dwarf rogue is a thing since vanilla

right?

[icy iron]

Yeah but i'd never play alliance cus alliance is for the weak

[royal lantern]

YOU LITEARLLY TALK ABOUT BELF MATE

[icy iron]

[royal lantern]

[icy iron]

Still Horde :3

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-burning-crusade-blood-elf-sindorei-eversong-woods-gif-21796453

[slate scarab]

I'm having a hard time using Exsang correctly in M+, I don't think I'm getting good value out of it. Only om the bosses because I'm afraid if I use it on trash it won't be up when I need it (my bad planning).

I still really want Iron Wire though, that's been a huge help for my group, so would it be crazy to take Master Assassin? Is the drop off for that so big?

[royal lantern]

iron wire is like, the 1 thing assa has over the oither 2

[icy iron]

Iron wire is

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperors-new-groove-perfect-just-right-perfecto-okay-gif-17713931

[royal lantern]

dont overthink exsang in m+

slam on cd on a add you want to die slightly faster

and on bosses use it like you use it on raids

[icy iron]

I just send it in to the Mob i think should die first / has the most hp

I guess i kinda use it with the same mindset as Deathmark? On trash in dungeons at least.

[slate scarab]

For Exsang I understand you don't want to deathmark before it because it will shorten your deathmark, but can you deathmark right after it, or do you need to wait for the sped up bleeds to be refreshed to normal before doing DM? I don't really understand that mechanic.

[dreamy gull]

Tauren is the real furry race idk why ppl hating on worgens

[next edge]

@gusty mirage

https://i.gyazo.com/4bbe10901a208940a678e92784941aa9.png

389 arms warr on AA tree

i guess its balanced idk

[icy iron]

UwU

[royal lantern]

he is just better than you man

used thunder roar once

like

did you try not to suck so hard?

[icy iron]

[next edge]

yeah my bad

[dreamy gull]

Outplayed by the genius arms warrior

Tbh

I would be happy if they just put exsang on a 2 min cd

Also make kingsbane a slash with AP and idk do something to stop you getting kb and dtb

Like that would be so based

[muted ridge]

eh quick q. does Master Poisoner increase value of Atrophic Poison ? or is it static 3% regardless?

[dreamy gull]

Yes

3.6%

[muted ridge]

sick, ty

I remember early talks when it was still in Beta that it didnt affect it

but didnt ask since then

and assumed they didnt change it

[royal lantern]

yes, but its so minimal that its not really worth it

like

atrophic is a meme anyway

[dreamy gull]

Atrophic is good only in raids right

Cause you can't numbing the bosses

[gaunt moat]

it's like 3.6% instead of 3%

[muted ridge]

you can numbing

[royal lantern]

you can

numbing means less dmg on tank

[muted ridge]

if you have two rogues one runs atrophic and other runs numbing

[gaunt moat]

oops hail already answered

[dreamy gull]

Oh ok

[royal lantern]

atrohpic means the RL can put a checkmark on his excel spreadsheet and think it does something

[dreamy gull]

Tbh I wish sin had more poisons to pick from

[muted ridge]

Its our excuse to be always brought to raid

[dreamy gull]

[gaunt moat]

to put it into context
if you get hit by boss for 150,000 AoE
3% would be 4500
times 20, that's 90,000

it's not nothing.

[royal lantern]

un-ironically yes

[royal lantern]

i mean, the problem is the entire "and not all dmg is actually boss dmg, but envoirmental dmg lmao" thing

like, its a weaker devo aura cus it doesnt work on everything and drops off when you have longer downtimes

[gaunt moat]

I think the tone of what i wrote didn't come out right.
it was an ironic it's not nothing

even 90k for whole raid is like what.. one healer cast?

[royal lantern]

it does add up over an fight, but not a very big thing

its litearlly just "devo, but way worse"

[gaunt moat]

yeah, hence the it's not nothing.

but like, i doubt 4000-5000 health would save you from dying to getting hit by something that would kill your otherwise
usually mechanics that wipe, have enough damage to one shot

[royal lantern]

thats also why leech is ussules btw

like, healers are the only ones where leech actually does anything

for dps/tanks, leech is such a troll stat

[gaunt moat]

for exmaple, Kurog's Searing Carnage (dance with fire)
deals almost 600k damage

why is leech good for healers?

[royal lantern]

it triggers on heals aswell

so they need to heal themself less often

5people drop inculding themself? they aoe heal into the group, and leech will top themself aswell

and dont need to use bigger heals on yourself

like, with 10%leech you never really target yourself as a healer anymore

[icy iron]

Does shadowstep work with mouseover macros? Cus it doesn't work with the addon Clique

[royal lantern]

yes, it does

[royal lantern]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, nodead, exists][] Shadowstep

[royal lantern]

not the ninja channel

[copper hazel]

sir, this is the sin channel

[shell kraken]

lol sry

[fading wigeon]

Dm right after exang.

[slate scarab]

Thank you

[gusty mirage]

sounds like you had a fun time

[icy iron]

Tyvm ❤️

[limber lion]

What's the function of []

[true thistle]

hello, do i use exsanguinate in opener?

[woeful meteor]

#assassination-faq

[true thistle]

this is not mentioned in wowhead but in assa faq it is

so the question is still up @woeful meteor

😉

[woeful meteor]

I just opened wowhead and the first thing I saw is the same picture that is in the faq

[true thistle]

in assa faq it is exsang/no exsang

[woeful meteor]

semi outdated, but yes you use exsang faq is more up to date generally

[true thistle]

in wowhead it is split to kingsbane/dragon tempered

thanks, been lost there

[versed canopy]

i tried out the AP IC build in a few M+ and i really enjoy it

[mental flower]

stupid question, but the greens/blues from HoV can drop at normal ilvls right? https://www.wowhead.com/item=136776/bjorns-hunting-strap for example

[storm onyx]

Yea, everything listed in loot table for M+ drops in updated ilvls. There are 19 drops fro rogues. Its a leather heaven; yet hard to loot snipe because of the large loot table.

[mental flower]

Much appreciated, reason i asked is because of that, I've never seen any of them drop i swear lol

[dreamy gull]

just had somebody complain about me playing sin in a heroic dungeon
honestly quite incredible

[storm onyx]

He should play sandbox games with that elitism

[opaque spoke]

Just starting to play rogue and assassination. Is there a reason why the guides don't suggest a Garrote>SnD>Garrote>Garrote opener instead of just triple garrote? seems like if its pressed right on the GCD you can still fit all three garrotes into the IG window

[lusty surge]

Never had anyone even mention it in 20s that's wild lol

[storm onyx]

If you garrote 3 different targets on the opener, all 3 are empowered by IG, and you get 4 casts off; one normal garrote. if you squeeze snd in between you get 2 IGs and 3 total casts

[lusty surge]

Though I have had to explain IC a lot

[opaque spoke]

To me it looks like I'm able to get in 3 IG + finisher if its weaved in after the initial IG. its super tight but fairly consistent

[storm onyx]

If your last garrote is going in to CD, it means its not IG

[wary ice]

You're super consistently misreading your globals then it's quite literally impossible

[heady island]

This is a general question so maybe wrong channel but can bosses still parry if I hit in the face rather than in the back? Sometimes I get weird interaction where it seems like my abilities goes off and global is triggered but no combo points are awarded so I have to for instance mutilate an extra time.

[quasi ledge]

Yes they can

[heady island]

Would that happen then? That I don’t get my CP

[lusty surge]

I believe dungeon bosses don't parry unless they're also raid bosses

Like Odin I guess is the only one this season

But raid bosses parry afaik

[spice spire]

The third garrote here would overwrite the empowered “stealth” garrote on ST. On AoE you’re assuming that you’re doing this with IC up so theoretically ALl targets should have garrotes on them. The second is just good cp gain tbh

[wary ice]

A parried finisher will do nothing ans refund the cp it costs, a parried builder will give no cp, and I believe it will refund energy

Dungeon bosses do not parry full stop, I'm pretty sure

[heady island]

Thank you. I’ll try to see if I get my energy back next time I see it happening and figure out if it was a parry or just weird connection stuff. 🙏🏻

[lusty surge]

I could be wrong but I swear general kaal or whatever from sanguine depths parried

I thought the rule was they parried if they also appeared in raid

[opaque spoke]

Thanks. I must have just missed something.

[lusty surge]

I'll have to check ig

[wary ice]

I have the worst case of confirmation bias in the world wrt to parrying and I don't remember SD kaal partying ever

But I'm willing to be wrong here

[solid mica]

She did parry

[keen spruce]

i know for a fact that raz can parry

[quasi ledge]

99% sure you don't get the energy back. But you just don't gain/lose the combo points if it's a generator/finisher

[keen spruce]

dunno about all dungeon bosses, but raid bosses certainly still do

except ones like sennarth and terros

obv

[lusty surge]

Speaking of obscure mechanics

Is terros like halondrus

Where you can't miss offhand attacks

[wide ridge]

im pretty sure ive seen mutilate be parried but still give you blindside proc

free ambush i guess pog

[spice spire]

No

[keen spruce]

i have a 16.5% melee miss on terros

but dunno how to distinguish MH vs OH

[lusty surge]

Hmm interesting

[white seal]

New to rogue, do you hold exang for 3rd deathmark/vanish?

or slap on cd?

[spice spire]

Depends on timers

[white seal]

assume patchwerk fight

[spice spire]

If your fight ends before say 6:40ish. You hold. If it doesn’t, you slam on CD and lineup circa 6

Gonna have to use your noggin

[white seal]

ok ty

[solid mica]

Thats fuckin cringe

Just take that shit out of the game already, or put back in spell resist

[earnest imp]

Is there a way to avoid at raza to stop shadowstep going behind raza?

At last wind i keep going behind him

[mint marten]

stupid question maybe, but how do I account for the ability i choose on the ruby whelp trinket when simming trinkets?

[burnt latch]

How do u play last winds

I had no issues with gate into step

But step into gate was sus

[earnest imp]

gate into step is my last one

and the last step

goes to wrong side of raza

and im facing the wrong way

Done it 2 times now

[burnt latch]

Do u guys have your tanks move the bird from the edge or does it stay there

We had the bird moving towards middle with us

[earnest imp]

its being moved

[burnt latch]

And that was never an issue

[earnest imp]

thats why i think its doing that

[burnt latch]

Well we did that all of prog and I never had any issue

[earnest imp]

hmm

[burnt latch]

Do u guys public log

[earnest imp]

ye

sec

pulls

[burnt latch]

Whats your guild ill have a look

[marble hemlock]

Just step earlier. Boss does a breath in the last second of winds 3 and 4, so if you try to "minmax" you step after she turns to do breath

[burnt latch]

I think he is talking about last winds tho

#5 i think it is

never had that issue on those

[marble hemlock]

Cloak it?

[burnt latch]

thats one option

but it shouldnt do that anyways

[marble hemlock]

1 cloak
2 double step
3 gate
4 double step
5 cloak

[burnt latch]

i personally wanted cloak for intermission

[marble hemlock]

What for

[earnest imp]

ahhhh

[burnt latch]

to stay in shit to kick or to cloak bolts

[fathom viper]

Ugh, I feel like I ask this question every expansion because I'm so paranoid it changes. Is Zoldyck's currently affecting Envenom damage? (I assume yes)

[marble hemlock]

Most guilds starting progression won't be able to skip fifth winds yet

[burnt latch]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ConsiderateHomelyNoodleKappa-PcUEmH1nJacrHAFs different spec but this is how last winds looked for me

never had the boss push me other way

[marble hemlock]

Last winds depends on what the tanks do

If they move the boss closer to middle then it's gonna turn around

So stepping usually doesn't work. That's why cloak is great there

[burnt latch]

but the boss is turned and moving when I step there and it works fine, I think the issue is if the tanks dont move the boss

[marble hemlock]

If people bait correctly in intermission, you won't need it there, especially if you play assa, cuz you won't be on red

[burnt latch]

but instead only turn it

[earnest imp]

oke tried ur thing seliathan

was a lot better

then what i was doing

good stuff, thanks a lot

[marble hemlock]

Only thing you gotta pay attention to is 4th winds, if you do the second step very late you might yeet yourself off

[burnt latch]

yeah that one ive fallen off too

[marble hemlock]

Yeah i used to gate on 2 with everybody else but it was kinda sucky

Meant i only had 1 step for 3 which blows

[earnest imp]

ye i did that too

double step on 4th felt good

only with bigger downtime was the gate one

[brisk lodge]

question, why dont we play double shiv talent in single target?

[marble hemlock]

Yeah but you can throw SBS there and barely lose see dps

[marble hemlock]

Cause it's worse than the suggested alternative

[earnest imp]

is it better to minmax on the double shadowsteps?

is it a bigger difference delaying it a bit

for some reason it feels i end up closer by not delaying

which doesnt make any sense

[mint marten]

stupid question maybe, but how do I account for the ability i choose on the ruby whelp trinket when simming trinkets?

[timber basalt]

In raidbots its a drop down in the options where you select buffs and all

[marble hemlock]

Once everybody will be a bit more comfortable, you'll likely have to DPS stop in p1 anyway

So minmaxing DPS is kinda pointless

[earnest imp]

Ah yeah someone talked about that

[ornate valley]

guys Im dumb @ wwarcraftlogs, and I cant find pharses for my ilvl and spec im 401 i lvl I want to check others at heroic rasz

[tiny ember]

Yo bois everytime a holy paladin uses AM the whole raid just gets alot of lag/fps drops is it only us or is it just happening and is there any fix for it?

[neon drift]

dont take him in the raid, ez

[tiny ember]

Lovely

[deft vault]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dreamy elk]

Wait, general question; can you cloak Hurricane Wing pushback or does it just make you immune to damage but you still get pushed?

[magic vine]

you can cloak the pushback yea

if you have the twirly trinket you can use that too (though its not as useful later on in the fight)

[loud dome]

is anyone else doing the mage tower

i'm doing 2.6k but i'm hitting the enrage

[ebon notch]

btw what i did is just swap the order

step first and then gate

cause they havent started moving the boss yet

when i step

and the gate lasts long enough that you get pushed into the middle where you dump sparks

[marble hemlock]

Yeah

Or just cloak

Using gate on 5 means you gotta gate on 2 as well, which sucks, cause as assa you then only have a single step on 3 and are out of boss range for 4-5 seconds

So if you really wanna have cloak for intermission, and there's no reason to do so, you would have to
1 step
2 gate
3 cloak
4 double step
5 step+gate

[flint tusk]

well passed terros mythic after people stopped failing. now sennarth

yikes this is going to be a long last 90 minutes

[ebon notch]

i cloaked 5 and didnt have downtime on the previous ones

i cant remember what i did tho so im not super helpful rn

[pallid bough]

I did
1: Step > Sprint Run back
2: Step > Gate
3: Step > Step > Sprint back if needed
4: Cloak
5: gate only, step late

For our prog/kill

[kind talon]

1 grapple
2 grapple
3 grapple
4 grapple
5 grapple
ftfy

😈

[royal lantern]

🐀

rogues talk here

[marble hemlock]

You just get knocked off the platform and onto the bench if you play outlaw on that fight

[royal lantern]

go and roll some dice if you can do dps

[kind talon]

tell that to foreverguy

[royal lantern]

guy will always find a way to explain you why outlaw is the best option and choice on all fights

[oak sky]

Blade rush cloak and grapple all existing

💀

@kind talon you know that you cant just grapple any of them right

Takes 2 things

[marble hemlock]

outlaw does fine on the fight, but theres actually reasons to play sub or assa, outlaw is just "i dont wanna play the other specs"

[kind talon]

you have grapple step for every one

[oak sky]

Or 3 for the hard set i think

[marble hemlock]

itd oesnt do any of the things better on that fight than either alternative

[oak sky]

Step instead of cold blood?

[kind talon]

its a middle ground

[kind talon]

yes

:oemgal

[oak sky]

That works

[marble hemlock]

middleground on a fight where you want specific damage patterns

[kind talon]

0.4 dps cold blood hack

[marble hemlock]

isnt great

sub does more herald dam

assa does more boss dam

[kind talon]

im just going to play spriest dude

dont worry about it

[oak sky]

Seli the guild isnt gonna need anything specific

[marble hemlock]

why

[oak sky]

Its gonna get nerfed more before he kills it

[kind talon]

also ill play sub on rasz if i get a better wep for mainhand

[empty ravine]

someone tell me why i get deleted way easier as a rogue now

[kind talon]

need some decent sub gear tho

gotta make a neck and shit

[marble hemlock]

my why was directed at dekai, actually

[oak sky]

I was adding it on

Wasnt a response to you