assassination

[tired night]

So just max the uptime on it and make sure to have it up during exsang?

[spice spire]

He

Yeah

[tired night]

Cool

[spice spire]

Flame ring + cowl

[earnest imp]

How do you use puzzle box after the opener?

[thorn fjord]

Bro how the hell are there no Elite WQ up right now

Fuck you blizzard i need my catalyst

[earnest imp]

slam it with DM ?

[distant mesa]

If I can't do that?

[spice spire]

Get higher ilvl

That’s it

[thorn fjord]

Heroic dungeons count towards catalyst?

[distant mesa]

[subtle tundra]

yay

[thorn fjord]

HOT

Gratz

[gusty mirage]

there is

near the world boss

[distant mesa]

Replace weap?

[spice spire]

Nah just unembellish it

Or I guess a 421/424 will do it

[earnest remnant]

congrats with the freedom

[thorn fjord]

Your character has horrible posture btw

[rotund crescent]

I need help picking what to get here. Windswept Pages (WP) sims higher on both 1 and 4 bosses but is a D-tier trinket for Sin from what i saw, however Controlled Current Technique (CCT) is a best in slot from what saw online. Should i grab what Sims higher and grab the WP or do I grab the CCT because of how amplifying poison works and because it supposedly a better trinket for Sin?

[peak basin]

Does sub or sin do better in Council fight? I'm not sure where to find data to find the answer.

[bitter aurora]

Warcraft logs and look at the fight as both specs

[peak basin]

Thanks! Looks like it is here for anyone else also curious: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/31#boss=2590&class=Rogue

[loud light]

the "statistics" page is also a good resource for broad questions like that, you can decide what percentile to look at as well as whether you care about overall damage or boss damage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2590&dataset=90

[peak basin]

Ah, ty that's a much better overview.

[balmy condor]

Neither is bis, they sim equal because the ilvl difference between the two, take the higher sim

[dreamy gull]

Idk why they didn't make kb and AP a slash

I guess so you couldn't get kb and dtb?

[thorny pond]

yea

[outer arrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rotund crescent]

okay thank you!!

[winter gale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winter gale]

@balmy condor your build for Kurog was DTB w/o Exsang?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[winter gale]

Ty

[thorn fjord]

what did you swap for exsang

[balmy condor]

A sizeable donation to the humane society

[thorn fjord]

lame

[runic hinge]

That’s good for your taxes.

Get that return up

[hexed root]

if you had to choose between 421 whetstone, 421 icon, 421 current, and 411 grieftorch, what two trinkets would you use?

[thorn fjord]

icon current

[hexed root]

rip torch

[thorn fjord]

Heroic torch won’t have anywhere the value that the 421s do

[gusty mirage]

icon

[subtle tundra]

eh

in raid i'd still play torch

1 reset and its better than a passive one

[thorn fjord]

Blizzard making certain activities chance based for credit towards catalyst is so fucking stupid

Like who in their right mind thought that would be a good idea

Bunch of dumbasses over there I swear

[balmy condor]

double it and give it to the next person

[subtle tundra]

are you still sick whispyr

you know what else is sick? my hall of fame

sorry couldnt wait for response in escape from tarkov

[oak sky]

Do you know what everyones gonna say about your hall of fame

[thorny pond]

"congrats"

[dire lodge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[viscid spear]

Back hurts from all the carrying

[oak sky]

All im saying is ive seen some interesting clips

[thorny pond]

yea, p-hub has my raid screwing me over too

but we just say "good job" to HoF here

[viscid spear]

Pornhub?

[static glacier]

so madge, nothing about exsang in 10.0.7 notes

[thorny pond]

This is not an NSFW channel mate, you can't say there here

[viscid spear]

Fornicationforthepurposeofentertainmenthub?

[thorny pond]

sir

[carmine coyote]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

my vod kill

[exotic hearth]

Is raidbots telling everyone else to go haste? It wants me to change from mast/crit to crit/haste and change one of my rings to haste enchant as well

[inland mason]

What runes do we assassins use in raid n M+?

[proper tapir]

It had crit/haste for me for ST, it was close to crit/mast tho. I checked dungeon slice and crit/mast was much better than crit/haste... So I made boots crit/mast.

[formal cliff]

Can someone link me an aura that tracks torch cd?

[proper tapir]

Buzzing or howling last time I checked, it's in Whispyr's sheet

[inland mason]

Ty so much text time to dive

[exotic hearth]

I'm wondering if it's trying to get to like 15% haste or something

[balmy condor]

No it’s just saying haste right now is better for you

[ebon notch]

bro legit i started calling my guild keys "Fotm's Kindergarden Sessions"

cause i had to hold their hands

the entire fucking time

if i didnt say anything nobody would kicked

[normal mist]

Dear assassination friends, just did a reclear so my irl tank friend could get the raid achievement (normal mode) and boy this was fun

poisons go BRRRRRRRRR

[storm forum]

Pog

[flint tusk]

holy crap give me some of that sauce

[winter hawk]

Just uploaded my first log in to wow analyzer... this thing is really cool

[normal mist]

I did get PI'ed in 6 bosses but hey, that priest was awesome

[hexed root]

i dont remember the last time i did normal:

[normal mist]

There's no reason to do it once you started m+ and HC, just for tier really

And now with catalyst even less

[royal lantern]

ye

like, you compete against nobody in normal

so high logs are not hard

[proper tapir]

Well... Normal Eranog is comparing against the world's unluckiest rogues

[normal mist]

I beat my past self, it's a W and i take those

[hexed root]

whats the go to phial for sin now? vers?

[balmy condor]

yep, like it has been

[hexed root]

it use to be glacial for aoe but apparently that changed at some point to 100% vers

[gusty mirage]

normal's hilarious

[cedar silo]

so i just checked blood mallet and the puzzle box is sky rocket above everything atm is that actually true?

[gusty mirage]

you ever see a 1min 18s eranog kill?

yes

[hexed root]

WR is like 30 seconds

[gusty mirage]

damn I gotta step my game up

[cedar silo]

so my 392 puzzle box is actually better than my 411 grieftorch and my 421 icon .... this is mad awk

[gusty mirage]

I miss normal

I felt like I was good at the game

[hexed root]

my heroic:

[gusty mirage]

I think my fastest heroic was 2min

insanity

lmao

[cedar silo]

wtf happened to make puzzle box that strong out of no where? or was it just not simming correctly before

[gusty mirage]

it was always strong

[hexed root]

which two trinkets would y'all use?

[cedar silo]

it was like 4-5

now its best by a large margin

[gusty mirage]

for assassination?

it was for sure not 4-5

it's been top dog for legit like a month now

[cedar silo]

gtfo no way someone told me on here like a week ago it was sim bait

[gusty mirage]

someone in this channel told you that?

[balmy condor]

it's been bis for almost 2 months

[cedar silo]

im gunna lose my mind lol i upgraded a whetstone for keys cause i was told it was bait lol

legit last week

[gusty mirage]

feel free to publicly shame that person

[hexed root]

whetstone is bait for stones

keys*

imo

[cedar silo]

well whetstone was keys and i was adds on brood and i dont own the boon so i upgraded whetstone

[hexed root]

is box bis regardless of ilvl?

that's my situation

same with torch

[gusty mirage]

no, but even at like 398

[cedar silo]

but i simmed this morning for vault and my 392 puzzle box is out simming every trinket i have even 421

[gusty mirage]

its stupid strong

[hexed root]

which would you use?

[magic vine]

you probably didn't have exsang before lol

[gusty mirage]

personally? I'm lazy

so currents/icon

[viral aurora]

@Esmef1re#5182

[cedar silo]

u should 100% use that box...

my 392 is out simming every trinket i have

[balmy condor]

box icon

[hexed root]

when to use it? hmmmm

i think thats my concern with it, is my skill issues

[gusty mirage]

macro it with exsang

[balmy condor]

you just press the button any time within like 3 seconds of deathmark

deathmark box?

fine

box deathmark?

fine

[hexed root]

gotcha

[cedar silo]

oh itds not like a snap shot mechanic where u box before death mark?

interesting

[balmy condor]

for all purposes snapshotting does not exist

there's a haste snapshot on exsang

but you can't cheese it in any way

might as well not exist

[cedar silo]

i was losing my mind with how i would do the opener

i would do normal get all dots up than box ER rupture Vanish garrote twice than xang death mark

i didnt know it didnt matter

id rather box after my set up lol

[split grail]

Question on the opener: Do I DM immediately after Exsang or wait for the bleeds to dump a little?

I don't know why I would wait, its a dumb question

[drifting light]

[drifting light]

If at least one guy dies then torch is just too good to pass on. I personally do more with 411 torch than a 421 icon, but maybe your guild is perfect and has 0 deaths

[magic vine]

if you're sneaky you can lure people into bad spots that rogues can survive that others can't, gaining you a torch reset

[minor gate]

Cloak a soak for fire and smoke

[hexed root]

my guild just slaughters any adds so I'm trying to go sin for majority of the fights and just funnel boss

[drifting light]

I mean, adds dont rly matter for the choice of trinkets

[hexed root]

storm-eaters boon says hi

[drifting light]

Yea but thats just useless padding if you are going single innit

[hexed root]

there's only like... 8 rogues in the top 100 for broodkeeper that don't have torch or boon

depends on your definition of useless, i think killing those adds faster is positive

[drifting light]

Yea but if for example you are on diurna on boss then yea, there is that

Idk about others but i dont think i'v ever had a clean mythic kill, at least on the later bosses, so i just play grieftorch and do like 7% with it

Seems decent enough

Hoping for a 424 from the vault

[hexed root]

424 from vault would be godly

i 1000000% struggle with later bosses, can't put my finger on it

[drifting light]

I mean, if you are on single target duty it shouldnt rly matter

But i guess you arent

Kurog depends a lot on positioning for the max dam

No idea why outlaw for the spider

[hexed root]

adds

and sheep

[drifting light]

Yea but you only rly care about the big spider

[hexed root]

all the top parses for mythic bosses leans towards outlaw

[drifting light]

And we can easily swap to that big guy

[hexed root]

yea

going sin this week for majority of the fights

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire Just had another one drop for me -_-

[hexed root]

if they bring me in for dathea probably half the fights

[drifting light]

Yea i mean sin is fine for most but yea, outlaw just brings a bit more to the table on dathea and kurog

[hexed root]

honestly

planning on sin for dathea

because platform group MURDERED the adds

like it's highly situational for me it feels

[drifting light]

If you sit on boss then sure, you dont have to go for adds

We had like 2 ppl just hitting the boss

Whole fight

[hexed root]

maybe i can convince them

sat last week for melee vs range comp balance

[drifting light]

Yea but its usually better to just go there, rogues do a lot on adds. Probably some warlock should just chill on boss, cause we can easily respec and be fine overall

[hexed root]

not in our raid lol

[drifting light]

Oh well

[tidal flame]

Noob question but i noticed when using catalyst that my gear with vers becomes set gear with no vers is that normal? I feel like im going to be even more squish with no vers ?

[hexed root]

catalyst is preset gear

[magic vine]

catalyst only keeps the gear ilvl

[tidal flame]

Oh so it would be better to get set thru vault ?

[trim zinc]

why r u caring about vers?

[woeful meteor]

PVP Player i'd assume

[woeful meteor]

All TSet Gear has the same stats no matter the source

[tidal flame]

Great thanks for the info and yeah im a pvp player thats why i was scared to drop vers

[hexed root]

do you macro box w/ deathmark?

[balmy condor]

no

[gaunt moat]

rip servers 🥲

4 hours. what am i gonna do.

[hexed root]

still make sure to use them together though ya?

[gaunt moat]

you can't macro two GCD actions

(unless it's a cast sequence, but you don't want that)

and yes, it's best to sync them. unless you know you'll get an extra use if you don't

[balmy condor]

you just press it idk what to say

press it before

press it after

it doesn't matter

just press it

[hexed root]

but with deathmark

vs exsang

and then i assume on CD since they don't line up again w/o holding deathmark for a minute

[balmy condor]

you hold unless you lose a cast

[hexed root]

ty sir

[distant mesa]

dont know if I like the Shiv build on M Council

.<

[hexed root]

feels good

[stray pike]

i have some questions about using exsanguinate... i'm just moving to ass from sub. Once i cast exsanguinate it shortens the buff time of my dots. Do i wait until these dots complete and then reapply and then deathmark in opener?

[raw raft]

you can press deathmark right after you press exsang

but yeah you'd want to let the bleeds fall off

[stray pike]

this is what my raidbots(https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rtn4RYDXUMTrAvENnGV4rp) is doing but is said to be bad in the FAQ

[raw raft]

uh i haven't seen anything like that so that'd be a question for someone more advanced in here

[storm onyx]

The whole idea behind Exsan is to compress your longest and strongest bleeds in the given time.

[distant mesa]

wow

[stray pike]

okay... so do i deathmark after exsang or not?

[gusty mirage]

yes you deathmark after exsang

[viscid spear]

[stray pike]

i see, FAQ says doing exsang DURING deathmark but i guess before is ok

[distant mesa]

def before

[storm onyx]

You DM after Exsan always, not the other way around. DM has bleed component itself; so it gets compressed as well if you use Exsan after it. Resulting a dps loss

[distant mesa]

if you do during you kuk the dm dmg

[gusty mirage]

Exsanguinate + Echoing Reprimand: Sync with each other on cooldown. You should aim to ER -> Rupture -> Exsanguinate whenever possible. If the timing naturally syncs with Deathmark, make sure to do the combo first, then Deathmark. DO NOT EXSANGUINATE DURING DEATHMARK, IT IS A LOSS OF ~10%. This is due to Exsanguinate reducing the duration of Deathmark, thus cutting the duplication effect early.

[distant mesa]

god I wish you could get x3 Zoldaykx

[ruby birch]

guys

am i alchemist now

look

i forgot to use puzzle box and pot on pull though

and didnt have exsang on my bars

[timber pawn]

You can't macro grieftorch and deathmark together it seems, keeps cancelling channel

[slate forge]

Is there a reasonable heuristic to decide if Diurna's Chosen is worth it based on ilevel? or is it always worth it since you can get hood?

[timber pawn]

anyone got a method

[hexed root]

i need more PIs on ras. go from 100 parse to 64 parse in heroic qq

[storm onyx]

Cant bind channel trinkets with gcd abilities

[timber pawn]

boooooo

[tacit otter]

you can

[storm onyx]

Or actually you can but torch cancels if you do anything else

[gusty mirage]

you begin the channel mid gcd

and its gucci

[tacit otter]

if you do dm -> grieftorch you have to press the macro on gcd. so you have to be sure you dont press it too early

[storm onyx]

Aha

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

FAQ says doing exsang DURING deathmark

[slow marsh]

"EXSANGUINATE DURING DEATHMARK" - straight from faq

[outer lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-he-say-meme-gif-23373334

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/technically-correct-yes-chuck-chuck-bartowski-chuck-tv-gif-23654768

[brazen zodiac]

:(

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

get outta here mage

[viscid spear]

Says the dirty dancer

[jovial adder]

whats the name of the crafter bracers we use?

[thorny pond]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brazen zodiac]

life-bound gear?

[balmy condor]

@marble hemlock https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xoCRVDX1LnrWadigZRLPqC

sim check

[brazen zodiac]

<3

[marble hemlock]

How about...

[keen spruce]

700000 piles of dirt and 4 LFR bosses later we got our bonus spark

[main vessel]

hi, popping in to check on feedback on WoWA.

[gusty mirage]

god bless

[gusty mirage]

it's been doing a lot of good for people

giving them a good baseline to go off of

excited for the future development I'm a fan

[main vessel]

I still have a few items from Whispyr to implement

[marble hemlock]

Simcheck on ttk instead of amp, playing ip+dp, having more CTs on AOE but less st. But how much more AOE/less st?

[gusty mirage]

a lot of people didn't realize they were wasting so much CP

or energy

[ebon notch]

how much dps

[main vessel]

I should actually be able to add how many CP were wasted

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cg6a4goayRu1TAapbVtyPZ are you proud of me dad

[ebon notch]

you a fuckin pumper forreal

[gusty mirage]

my sub sims for 10k less

[ebon notch]

that cant be right

my assa sims like 1k more than yours

[gusty mirage]

lemme check

[ebon notch]

but my sub is 86k

[main vessel]

Rogue in my guild just got #2 sin parse on Dathea

[gusty mirage]

give me the cookie cutter ST build for sub

[gusty mirage]

I parsed a 9

because my RL hates me

and made me go on the platform as assassination

[weak isle]

Lmfao psycho

[gusty mirage]

oh it gets worse

[main vessel]

he went on the platform too, I think

[gusty mirage]

you ready for the kicker?

[raw raft]

i had to play outlaw and go on a platform with an arcane mage

[weak isle]

Im ready

[main vessel]

yeah, he went on the platform

he booned

[gusty mirage]

[raw raft]

[weak isle]

Oh no...

[gusty mirage]

they needed the garrote silence to gather the adds

on a platform

[weak isle]

Yikes

[raw raft]

[gusty mirage]

with a prot pally

[main vessel]

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

[raw raft]

[weak isle]

[marble hemlock]

Where are all these bear emotes coming from

[gusty mirage]

I love this emote

[dense herald]

Would that not be better for your parse

[gusty mirage]

I'm yoinking it

[marble hemlock]

I only have

[gusty mirage]

not even remotely

[marble hemlock]

And

[main vessel]

your bleeds fall off the boss

[weak isle]

A simple mind = more target = more dmg

[dense herald]

FOK + poison bomb damage pad outside of cds?

[gusty mirage]

oh

I was in a M+ build

[raw raft]

fok

[gusty mirage]

and holding vanish

for iron wire garrote on the platform

cause I went up 1 and 3

[dense herald]

Ohh

[gusty mirage]

(already yoinked it @raw raft im sorry)

[raw raft]

[dense herald]

So you had to do platforms but not use cds when you wanted

I see

[gusty mirage]

I had a BLAST

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iozvPhVm6pcqFFKz9EM7dT

[dense herald]

That’s tilting having to hold vanish

[gusty mirage]

lemme try simming this talent set

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3SxPv9bDymnsy24oADuA2n @ebon notch ok I lied

I think I was doing an aoe/cleave build

[raw raft]

my guild asking me to play sub on raz maybe i tell them no

[ebon notch]

bro i just realised

this i9snt even a top gear sim

this is a droptimizer

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

no wonder it so much higher than your sub

scammer

[gusty mirage]

I mean

its 4k above sub

prolly cuz 408 currents

[gaunt moat]

Mine said i'm trolling if i won't.

[gusty mirage]

tell them what I told my RL

if you make me play sub

[ebon notch]

4k is fine

[gusty mirage]

and we end up needing boss damage

I'm not swapping back

you live with your decision

[ebon notch]

it is kinda trolling

[distant mesa]

is the AP build that we use on Council a good M+ build?

[raw raft]

i said sin would do more shield dam and execute

[distant mesa]

if you dont want to do the DTB

[gusty mirage]

good aoe, kaka ST

[ebon notch]

sub is like 10x better for progging especially if you are not as good a guild

it makes the progress so much easier

[distant mesa]

ok ty

[ruby birch]

it was low

[gusty mirage]

so we just do dtb + IC

[ebon notch]

compensating for an assa rogue is actually kinda tough

[gusty mirage]

cuz we sacrifice less ST

[ruby birch]

81.5k or something

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uTtFXtjHZ2T6KQBbKi6j2r

[ruby birch]

i didnt have exsang on bars

didnt box or pot on pull

couldve probably pulled 88k

[raw raft]

don't worry my guild is gonna put 2 assa rogues on the same side

[ruby birch]

or 89k

my sin sim for 90k so

[ebon notch]

oh no

[ruby birch]

[gusty mirage]

eh

idk if I agree with that

[gaunt moat]

But what if i'm bad at sub 🥲

[ebon notch]

it was hard for us bro

can you imagine how hard it will be for guilds starting now?

[gusty mirage]

well the boss did just get kinda giga nerfed

[ebon notch]

even liquid struggled with it

[raw raft]

sorry my guild has a history of about 300 pulls on end bosses and i don't think i'll make it pressing gloomblade for that long

[gusty mirage]

well the boss we'll be pulling

[ruby birch]

we pushing rasz on 5th winds

[gusty mirage]

isn't the same boss you're pulling

[ebon notch]

i mean you can for sure try it

[gusty mirage]

and not the same one liquid did

[ruby birch]

p1 feels very safe rn

[ebon notch]

but im just saying that i understand why your RL would want you to play sub

[gusty mirage]

whether or not you play a sin rogue depends really on your cleave

oh I do too

but I told him

if our ST is struggling

I'm not swapping back

lmao

I'm not repeating anduin bro

[ebon notch]

after the 3% nerf assa rogue shouldnt be as valuable anymore

[gusty mirage]

"go this" "go that"

I mean

at the end of the day

assassination does more ST damage than sub

[gaunt moat]

Yet Sub ST is also not bad

[gusty mirage]

the reason you'd play sub instead of assassination

is so you're not useless on adds

lmao

[gaunt moat]

They say for shields too

[ebon notch]

sub is just better all round imo

[gusty mirage]

oh for sure

it's the better spec in a lot of situations

[ebon notch]

since the ST of assa is nice for sure, but its just not a huge part of the boss in the grand scheme of things

[raw raft]

you just play the single target sub build on raz?

[ebon notch]

no

you play aoe with more ST talents

no tornado, shadow techniques

@gusty mirage https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hPV3if3pxvwzQkETaBQR6A

only one upgrade

[gaunt moat]

I just feel like i'll be a mediocre sub at best.
Aweful sub at worst.

[gusty mirage]

yea

I mean I look at the droptimizer

aint much left in the tank to get lmao

421 gloves

[vernal plinth]

Is the AoE opener basically the same thing as the faq just without KB?

[gusty mirage]

424 dagger

[slow marsh]

it's stuff like this that makes me want to just give up and play outlul idk

[gusty mirage]

yeppers, it'll be the same as the m+ kingsbane + IC build minus KB

[gusty mirage]

well the good thing is

[vernal plinth]

sweet, thanks

[gusty mirage]

you can play whatever spec you want

it legitimately does not matter

if you like pirate

send it brother

[slow marsh]

indeedy but i dont' have unlimited resources to craft weapons

[gusty mirage]

I've wanted to try outlaw

but

unlucky I guess

[raw raft]

[static glacier]

You never crafted a 418 for OL?

Sadge

[gusty mirage]

god no

[slow marsh]

I mean my sin weapons are

[gusty mirage]

if I get another spark

yea I'll craft one

[drifting cloud]

yeah but intermission1 is hardest/2nd hardest phase of the fight, the nerfs just make it alot easier to get there nothing in intermission was nerfed yet

[gusty mirage]

dw

I already have the stealthi tech

[drifting cloud]

its chill you can practice rotation while learning p1

[slow marsh]

what is this technology

I seen cev talk about this but idk what for. is it for raz shield or something?

[balmy condor]

that's sub in m+

[drifting cloud]

its sub lol

[slow marsh]

i knew that

[drifting cloud]

oh the tech well its simple like I said intermission1 = hard

sub = 15mil dmg in there

[slow marsh]

but really i have seen cev talk about dropping one point in RC for lethality or something idk its probably just me being dumb

[drifting cloud]

assa = 8 maybe

its just standard sub build, you dont need extra range on rasz

[gaunt moat]

Are servers up yet?

[weak isle]

No

[ebon notch]

That was a small DPS gain or smth

But only in sims

Cause hitting that one anima charged CP was impossible

So dropping a point for RC was smart

[slow marsh]

Gotcha

[worn geyser]

Any talent option that is competitive with blindside?

[balmy condor]

no

[worn geyser]

Alrighty

[gaunt moat]

Tiny toxin blade

[true rapids]

Are log reviews still a thing if people have time? wowanalyzer says I missed a few things but I don't think that would make up my dps diff from my sims

[ebon notch]

Which things were you missing

[true rapids]

I missed 5 good shiv casts and overcapped 200 total energy with thistle

at least according to wowanaylzer

[magic vine]

thats a decent amount of damage on the table

[true rapids]

is it 20k worth?

i sim at 80k but best I have been able to hit is like 70

[magic vine]

same consumables/buffs?

[pearl mural]

is it normal for people to have 1 piece of crafted haste/mastery instead of crit/mastery

[true rapids]

missing the monk debuff, but same consumables and such

[gaunt moat]

for starters, sim yourself with the same buffs you've had in raid, so you'll get a closer approximation

[green juniper]

Mfw at work wont be able to see my vault for a long time

[gaunt moat]

they've updated maintenance to be 5 hours 🥲

[green juniper]

I may be a dumb but couldn’t find how to edit my sim.. like if i am comparing items i wear them and them sim……

[gaunt moat]

In any sim type, scroll down to sim options
and you'll see this:

Most times you won't have an augmentation
and probably not all raid buffs

[true rapids]

ya re-simmed and im still 18k under what sims say I can do

in the meantime I know to just not miss what wowanalyzer says I missed but wondering if there is anything else glaringly wrong

[tacit otter]

sims are not a one-to-one representation of the real game, only take it to compare gear. dont hang yourself up on reaching those numbers

[true rapids]

well I don't want to green parse anymore so I need to fix something

[tacit otter]

as long as your decent ilvl and click buttons every gcd, there should be no reason that you could not hit blue parses or higher

[split grail]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[gaunt moat]

not entirely true.. but anyway his point is he asks how to get better.
Missing a few shivs won't make 18k difference.
But as he said, reaching exactly what you sim, is almost impossible either.

still, 18 below that, might indicate you can optimize your rotation better

[split grail]

Oh nice wowanalyzer is active again

[tacit otter]

maybe you can try simming training dummy and trying to reach it on a dummy, so you can get the rotation down

[gaunt moat]

I can usually AT BEST reach 5k below sim

[tacit otter]

18k can mostly be a rotation error or? that seems way too much

[true rapids]

I can reach about 5k below on my target dummy sim

[tacit otter]

thats fine imo

kill time on bosses also play a big part in reaching those sim numbers

[true rapids]

hence why I am wondering if I am making some big fuck up it's terros not the most mechanically intensive fight

[formal cliff]

How do I check for windfury totem on logs?

[true rapids]

should be in buffs

[gaunt moat]

Under buffs

[formal cliff]

thought so

not getting it in my raid

Do i need to be on the same group as the shaman?

[gaunt moat]

We don't even have a shaman or monk 🥲

[tacit otter]

yes afaik

[formal cliff]

Don't have a monk also

[wind condor]

We went from 410 at 79.4K sim to 414 83.3k today, talk about a massive vault/relear

[formal cliff]

Sure, I'll ask to get put in the same group tmrw

[gaunt moat]

wish i could check my vault, but servers are not up

[formal cliff]

Can't be that bad

lmao

[gaunt moat]

not even MotW lol

[formal cliff]

we have no monk, dk, mage, druid

got a dh today

casual raiding group

[gaunt moat]

very rare to not have a druid

[formal cliff]

Everyones just playing evoker and shit

[brazen zodiac]

evokers cool

[formal cliff]

yeah they can pull me when i use dathea trinket

[thorn fjord]

Kurog down let’s go

[frozen turtle]

Hey anyone know where I can find the “report code” in logs to try out wow analyzer

[tacit otter]

you can just search for your character and see if thats there

[gusty mirage]

you can just use the link to the log

[frozen turtle]

Ahh gotcha thank you

Wow that’s a sick tool

Thank you @balmy condor

[tacit otter]

you mean wowanalyzer?

[frozen turtle]

Yeah

[tacit otter]

you have to give ToopleTheNun credit, hes responsible for that afaik

[balmy condor]

yah

[tacit otter]

im not sure if whispyr has anything to do with that ^^ (outside of giving input etc)

[balmy condor]

I mean

I told him all the things it needs to track

I didn't implement it

so

if the rules don't make sense

you can blame me

but everything else is topple :P

[frozen turtle]

Lol well both of y’all then !

[gaunt moat]

servers still not up. REEE.

[frozen turtle]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[frozen turtle]

Seems like based on wow analyzer best things I can do are increase my uptime on boss and slightly improve energy usage + envenom efficiency

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/QPA1kn7da3xfJZMT/3-Heroic+Eranog+-+Kill+(3:24)/Osharko/standard/statistics

Anyone mind confirming

[gaunt moat]

26% of time not casting anything?

how'd that happen

[tacit otter]

its eranog, he probably has to afk for some time if hes not running to the middle in intermission

[frozen turtle]

Guessing during wait between phases

But seems like that’s best thing can be improved

[tacit otter]

just sprint to the boss, and cloak as soon as the adds come near so you dont get stunned

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean you played well

you're just shit geared

[terse orchid]

or shadowstep to a healer on the other side

[frozen turtle]

💀

[tacit otter]

i like to cloak so you dont waste uptime on boss

[gaunt moat]

assuming it's normal/heroic

[frozen turtle]

Any suggestions to improve gear wise?

[gaunt moat]

yeah, get BiS gear
craft what you can to 418 (MH weapon probably priority for you)

[balmy condor]

everything except your tier needs to be like 20ilvl higher

also signet

from cos

[gaunt moat]

use raidbots to check what's best.

@balmy condor
I like how i give same answers but i'm ignored
i need orange name again

[frozen turtle]

I’ve ran that damn dungeon 1000x 😭 no drop

[gaunt moat]

😂

it's too late sharko!

[frozen turtle]

Ya I need to sub to raid bots just to use that feature and check all dungeons and raid drops

[balmy condor]

yep, you're old now

[gaunt moat]

oh, i didn't realize that's sub only.

[balmy condor]

suck it

:)

[gaunt moat]

right where it hurts 🥲

[balmy condor]

yeah, right in the ol brittle bones

[gaunt moat]

i look younger than you 😠

but i'm 35

[balmy condor]

that's not difficult to be fair

how old do you think I am notter

if you had to guess

[gaunt moat]

hmmmm

26?

[balmy condor]

I'm 23

[frozen turtle]

Too wise

To be that young

….

[balmy condor]

[frozen turtle]

Gnight you guys thank you for feedback !

[balmy condor]

np

[gaunt moat]

praying for 421 legs in vault.
i'm still using 389 normal tier

[balmy condor]

praying my loot council gives me kurog tier

so I can finally sim 86k

[nocturne current]

Jesus EU maintenance adds +1 hour for like 5 hours now lol.

[gaunt moat]

what ilvl is your chest now

[balmy condor]

408

[gaunt moat]

chest do be having stats

[terse orchid]

At this right I might as well actually go do some work, but I don't wanna

[gaunt moat]

omfg they've added another hourrrrrr

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[nocturne current]

Yeah I guess it's another hour of watching japanese food.

[gaunt moat]

i haven't slept yet

[terse orchid]

Wait what?

It's not 8 anymore?

[gaunt moat]

it's 9 CET now

[terse orchid]

Fuck this.

[nocturne current]

Like this it's easy to forecast downtime...

Hey Bob, you done? - No. Ok, add another hour.

[gaunt moat]

you know what happened?

[terse orchid]

They forgot to add Windscar to the CoS loot pool/

that's why i haven't seen it drop yet this expac

[gaunt moat]

i bet the guy in charge of maintenance called in sick cause it's raining or something
they had to call a replacement that was supposed to come in later
now we're here reeing.

[nocturne current]

He's the maintenance guy.

[terse orchid]

If only

[split grail]

How do you check your ability usage in logs? Trying to see if I'm doing the new opener correctly

[zinc frost]

In your log go to the casts section then select timeline

[split grail]

ty

Looks like I've got it. Who would have thought added Exsang back in would completely change everything

I guess people who know what they're doing lol

[grim jay]

If you came from the optimal 4p DTB bleed build without exsang

Exsang doesnt change much

[waxen pulsar]

Idk I feel like Exa does help

Using the exa opener, and it feels like exa with puzzle seem to allign well sometimes

[slow marsh]

Well considering exsang + puzzlebox are both 3mins...

[waxen pulsar]

I kinda just go garrote slice garrote rupture echo puzzle rupture vanish garrote exa dm evis tea shiv

[waxen pulsar]

Yeah, it is in desync some parts of the fight but oh well

[feral rivet]

It shouldn't ever be

[slow marsh]

Well the open you laid out is wasting a couple seconds of puzzlebox for no real reason. Just macro it to exsang

[balmy condor]

why would it desync

[waxen pulsar]

Isn't puzzlebox channeling for like 1 sec tho?

[slow marsh]

Off gcd yeah

[royal lantern]

2sec and hasted iirc

[north basin]

Is it any gain to add tea to puzzle before exa?

[waxen pulsar]

Wait, so

Should I macro it to exa?

[royal lantern]

you cant?

[waxen pulsar]

I didn't know you could

[royal lantern]

and you should not?

[balmy condor]

!pb

[waxen pulsar]

Yeah I was thinking about that. It does not work like that

[balmy condor]

!puzzle

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[balmy condor]

[waxen pulsar]

Yea so basically my opener from above

Puzzle box and exa

[slow marsh]

No

Lol

Your opener above isn't that

[waxen pulsar]

Wait what am I not getting

OH WAIT YEA

[royal lantern]

yo whisp, you think with the nerfs we got today voing Full ST on kurog is probs the play? adds die faster now and stuff

[slow marsh]

Yeah there you go

[waxen pulsar]

I did puzzle before rupture mb I saw

Yeah, I am at work rn. Had this from my mind

So what I need to do is puzzle right before exa

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Set your bleeds up, get any haste benefits, puzzlebox, exsang, profit

[waxen pulsar]

Hmmm so it would be garrote slice garrote rupture echo rupture bone vanish garrote puzzle exa dm envenom shiv tea

And manic

[slow marsh]

Yeah you won't have guzzle that soon but seems good

Also a small note you don't want to shiv right into a channel trinket

You're wasting seconds of shiv by doing so

[waxen pulsar]

Hmmmmm

So after shiv play a bit of the rotation, THEN manic

[feral rivet]

If only there was an infographic about the opener in #assassination-faq

[slow marsh]

Ehhh I'd just manic then shiv after is more my point but it won't be relevant in the opener anyways

[waxen pulsar]

Saw the graphic, but wanted to get more insight of the rotation

[oak pulsar]

wait so whats the fight length foe when puzzle on cd is better 10 min raz?

[slow marsh]

69s

If you would lose a cast is the general answer but raz has shield stuff so kind of depends I guess

[nocturne current]

Lol nice that they nerfed Kurog, we were constantly getting 4-5 seconds of mini enrage.

[feral rivet]

We 4healed Kurog on reclear yesterday (eu but didnt full reclear til dathea died) and it died so fast then since we didnt have to kite first intermission to wait on CDs, gonna be interesting to see what Kurog and Dathea are like now once we get back there

Dathea nerfs prolly mean you need to change the dunk timings quite a bit too not spawn too soon

[agile gull]

Question, why are we not going for 3points in zoldyk after the talent changes? (in the raid setup)

[royal lantern]

cus other talents we pick instead give more dps?

[agile gull]

let me change it a bit: do we know the breaking point (fight/exec length) when it is stronger than other choices

[balmy condor]

we do not, because that situation does not exist

kinda weird trying to optimize for something that you will never encounter

[royal lantern]

what would you drop for that 3rd point zoldyck

and then, how much would you lose by dropping that

[grim jay]

I'm pretty sure if you burst the Boss into execute range in 1 min and you execute the other 4, 3rd zoldyck would be strong

[balmy condor]

no way

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ZGPMqrYZQcGebA5Mu7bPL

well

3% in full execute

[grim jay]

See, my spidysenses told me so

[balmy condor]

massive stonkers

[grim jay]

Tbf some terros top logs last week had 3x zoldyck poison dtb tho

So I see where he is coming from

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

if some people jumped off a bridge, would you

[grim jay]

I mean

Depends on the circumstances

[random fossil]

If it's more deeps yea

[steel ridge]

421 hunger of the pack and whetstone

uff

[oak pulsar]

yo did anyone else see that one of the dark moon decks jumped way up on blood malet?

[grim jay]

Hunger meh

[balmy condor]

yeh they're real janky apparently and the embellishment isn't actually an embellishment

shit's whack

[slow marsh]

Is it stonks or is it just ruby whelp all over

[balmy condor]

bit of both

[random fossil]

YUGE

[balmy condor]

I haven't heard anyone happy about crafting one

[tender kelp]

Hi, do we play the same build in m+ on tyra? DT+IC

[grim jay]

Wasnt there some "guaranteed maxroll on cards" stuff aswell ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak pulsar]

do we know if the simms assume 100% max roll or actually considers low rolls and stuff

[balmy condor]

yeh that's the embellishment which made it jump

[tender kelp]

thank you

[balmy condor]

I think it holds for max roll every time

[grim jay]

Could be kinda good in some cases I guess

If it really performs that way

[oak pulsar]

ah ok i see you would wait to proc at max number so it would need a weakaura like puzzle box....

[grim jay]

If you dont have M icon

But bloodmallet trinket sims meh

Rather sim it yourself

[rare moon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rare moon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[steel ridge]

hunger not gud?

[oak pulsar]

ya i was just double checking trinkets cause my 408 controlled current was getting to be my lowest peice and was looking for replacements and saw that a new trinket had popped up and could be a 10 item lvl upgrade +w/e

but my guild killed mythic sennarth tonight so 421 is back on the menu

[grim jay]

Sim it, for me it doesnt sim well, especially compared to puzzle torch and icon

[slow marsh]

I have a crappy 372 world quest trinket I need to replace but idk if I want to use a spark for a trinket I'll use for a week or two before replacing

[steel ridge]

well ofc its worse than icon 😄

i have a 395 whetstone in bag tho, that might be upgradeable later on

[grim jay]

Still havent seen another whetstone after that of my DH mate

[lament warren]

i’d do it even if nobody else did

[steel ridge]

yeah both trinkets are super rare

[lament warren]

i did finally get a whetstone

and it has leech i think

or speed

kinda big razzy tribnket

[steel ridge]

yeah whetstone might be good for rasza thats true

[lament warren]

whetstone grief is gigabis

grief puzzle for sin probably

but even then

id probably still run whetstone if i played sin

[steel ridge]

i have puzzle + cct rn

and i am probably the first to get mythic cct

[feral rivet]

finally a quite decent vault

[oak pulsar]

fuckin grats my dude

[normal olive]

"lets try for an outlul weapon"

[steel ridge]

uff

big

[old jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[oak pulsar]

hey idk if this requires a full log thread but does anyone know what can give envenom a large dps disparity between 2 similarly geared sin rogues?

[steel ridge]

shiv usage

amp stacks

[lament warren]

do you have amplifying poison up

[oak pulsar]

hmm that could be it and that could create something like a 3k overall disparity in the same fight with the same exact number of casts?

[grim jay]

I'd take shoulders

[lament warren]

if you don’t have the poison on yes

[oak pulsar]

i do have the poison up

[normal olive]

yeah 99% sure i'll go for the shoulders, a shame the weapon is there

[lament warren]

then it can be a lot of factors

[slow marsh]

Melee uptime for amp stacks

Shiv

[lament warren]

it’s hard to know without a log

[slow marsh]

Crits

Pot usage

Etc

[grim jay]

I'd take socket over anything for outlaw

[grim jay]

Log threads are nothing big tho, just open one

[oak pulsar]

ok

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[normal olive]

had to play outlul for a bit of spider prog on monday after like 5 pulls i was told to go assa again

[grim jay]

I played sub on spider tbf

[plucky dock]

HC Grieftorch or 421 Dagger🤔

[oak pulsar]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[slow marsh]

Dagger

If mh

[slow marsh]

Command went down because too much demand and not able to keep up with it

[oak pulsar]

ok thats what i thought

[slow marsh]

[oak pulsar]

i will say analyzer has been useful in seeing i cast finihsers low on cp more often then i thought

[slow marsh]

Well then there's your answer

[oak pulsar]

i dont think so cause i only casted low cp envenoms 2 more times then my counterpart did

[slow marsh]

And what was the difference

[oak pulsar]

3k

[slow marsh]

So if they crit one of two of those, that's like 120k dam

Versus your low cp envenoms

I think you're way too focused on this though. It doesn't really matter that much

There's so many other things that go into it other than envenom casts

[oak pulsar]

maybe idk this has been a consistent thing for weeks tho and has been driving me nuts i have several item levels on him and often we will litearlly only be apart in dps by nearly the exact amount his envenoms do more then mine i have been trying to dig and find where im fucking up and its just been so fruitless that i dont even know were is a good place to start trying to get better at this point

[dense herald]

spoonfed or?

[balmy condor]

does he have more mastery

[balmy condor]

[oak pulsar]

yes

[balmy condor]

well

there ya go

mastery = envenom damage

more mastery = more envenom

[vast goblet]

Does anyone know if the Socket items from Vault tokens can be used on Flaring Cowl etc?

[balmy condor]

yep

[oak pulsar]

ty

[balmy condor]

it's the only way to socket them

[bronze crane]

yep! used one in my flaring cowl

[vast goblet]

Ty; had a rough vault

[balmy condor]

sockets are really good tbh

I wouldn't feel bad about a socket at all

[vast goblet]

No defo; just other things would be nice

[slow marsh]

I might get a socket just cuz my vaults so far are rat vaults

I have normal tier head and a trinket I can pick but I probably bank a socket for next week's vault

[sweet dawn]

So I can get a heroic grieftorch in my vault, OR a good ilvl ruby whelp shell.... but idk if it's worth me going double on use (Puzzle box + grieftorch)

[raven knoll]

get rid of puzzle box 😄

[peak bobcat]

Don’t do that

Very worth going double on use

[normal mist]

Me doing normal

[raven knoll]

That trinket makes the rotation feel shitty

[normal mist]

And morning peeps

[sweet dawn]

I don't mind the puzzle box because in the opener it felt fine after a couple practice runs

and in combat I just use it before DM/Exsang comes back so I'm not wasting time

[raven knoll]

Thats a lot of channeling with grieftorch and puzzle box

[sweet dawn]

idk why I said about the double on use thing, I've been using double on use the past couple weeks (heroic Storm eater's boon and puzzle box)

Channeling doesn't bother me

[raven knoll]

the grieftorch is prolly the best choice

[feral rivet]

But it’s bis

[royal lantern]

yes bis

still is shity

2active is cringe, 2active that also are channels is even more cringe

[dark token]

[turbid heath]

do you guys socket Crit > Mast in your Lariat or Mast > Crit? Cause of the effect when it procs - do you want it to proc crit or proc mast? 🙂

[grim jay]

Whichever sims higher

[grim jay]

Oh ye the 1 missed global so worth dropping BiS trinket.
Odds are you are energy starved for torch channel aswell

[raven knoll]

I just said it feels shitty. I like my assa better with Controlled Current Technique and Windscar Whetstone. It's just more enjoyable. I would never replace Windscar with Puzzlebox. If I wanted to channel something for 2 seconds I would play Mage.

[royal lantern]

you act as if mage has 2sec casts

lol

and not all instant cast while moving

[grim jay]

You literally only feel 1 sec.
But whatever floats your boat I guess 😁

[grim jay]

Arcane surge without BL feels pretty long

And whatever the name of the manareg is

[raven knoll]

Evocation?

[grim jay]

Yes right

Which you need to fully channel bcs talent

[shrewd night]

Which some specs can cast while moving

[grim jay]

Channel nonetheless

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

[flint tusk]

I mean you have to wait for energy sometimes and that is at least a second or two sometimes so same difference imo
Makes a fun little minigame planning grieftorch casts between energy cap.
Gotta love prog and people dying 😂

[grim jay]

Not to mention that you dont lose anything as long as you dont CAP energy either 😁

[flint tusk]

Exactly!

Maybe a few auto attack poison procs

But that vs a few hundredk damage

[full coral]

what the fuck

[grim jay]

DoS should get brought back. Great trinket

[raven knoll]

pre-nerf Hakkar

[full coral]

[velvet robin]

Is the whispering icon something we are looking for?

[royal lantern]

its good ye

[velvet robin]

I know its bis for most classes but i dont see many sins running it

[royal lantern]

box+torch is better

and torch has value when people die

but mythic icon by itself is better than heroic torch with 0deaths iirc

[balmy condor]

22%

that seems like a bit more than "not many"

[brazen nimbus]

"Always wear a main stat/crit gem. These are unique equipped and limited to 1." Should i ignore the faq and follow raidbots top gear sim? Says i should go 100% green gems.

[velvet robin]

Is that counting M+ too?

[balmy condor]

you can run main stat/haste sure

[balmy condor]

it gets replaced by boon in m+

[brazen nimbus]

alright cool! ty

[balmy condor]

cause boon is fucking ridiculous

[velvet robin]

yeah

[royal lantern]

follow sims

[velvet robin]

my hc boon does way too much damage. its just a bit awkward if you use it at the wrong time

[royal lantern]

cant wait for boon to be the best m+ trinket for 4months into the next patch and THEN they nerf its dmg

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

What if

The next raid drops boon but with fire element ?

[dark token]

I don't play sin

I took the puzzlebox Incase blizz buffs sin

Or for next patch when it's still bis

[royal lantern]

nah, thats gonna be the giga mainstat trinket from halls of infusion

[dark token]

But honestly they mostly look at heroic log data

[royal lantern]

hf farming that shithole dungeon

[dark token]

Where sin is still good

So buffs unlikely

[royal lantern]

look, when the boss dies in 4min and assa just used his cd, its good for boss dmg only!

[grim jay]

Ugh that primordial stone gem thingy gives me sanctum vibes

[royal lantern]

its datamined info with 0context

chances are high is just some shity 390 catchup gear

[balmy condor]

yeah

SURELY

SURELY it's shitty 390 gear

[royal lantern]

im still optimistic ok

df was a win, i have SOME hope

that they wont go full stupid again

[balmy condor]

there is ZERO chance that it's blizzard giving us MEANINGFUL CHOICE (equip the 3 gems that do the most dps until they nerf it and you need to equip the other 3 gems that do the most dps)

[royal lantern]

benthic gear what?

and then we have 2slots embelish gear, 4slots tier, 3slots shity sockets and blizzard be like "raiding is a good way to get gear"

might aswell remove all raidloot that is no weapon, tier and trinket allready right now

[grim jay]

Inb4

The sockets can proc on tier only

So you have to get tier item + sockets

Everyone rolling like crazy on tier tokens

[balmy condor]

except

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

we know it doesn't

cause this exists

[grim jay]

It was just meaningless blizzard memeing

[raven knoll]

I think the sockets are great. At least there is a way to upgrade my character further after it is full BIS.

[royal lantern]

as if you ever reach that point lol

[raven knoll]

Ok but I dont count waiting for vault as upgrading my character

[grim jay]

Might aswell be a item for 10.1 that just got roughly implemented already, no ?

[royal lantern]

but thats how you mainly upgrade your character?

[untold crag]

i am new to retail and im running Mythic+: Arterial Precision from Faq but i can't run this ability? i really liked it has 3 stacks and good dmg

[balmy condor]

correct, you don't have the points

be like that

[raven knoll]

yes but if you have 14 out of 16 slots 421 the chance of getting an upgrade is really low. Thats just wait a week and see

[untold crag]

so when i run arterial im going to be weak on solo targets right?

[balmy condor]

very

[untold crag]

but good on aoe