assassination

[gusty mirage]

weird how you keep trying to deflect the fact that I'm about to become your new stepdad

[strange python]

Dragonflight dungeons suck

[spice spire]

Good, he needs the love

[gusty mirage]

yeah cause the SL ones were so much better

[strange python]

Unironically

[gusty mirage]

I knew I woke up every tuesday EXCITED

[spice spire]

No shot assassination was better in any of those

[gusty mirage]

to do sanguine depths

or plaguefall

or top

[strange python]

Oh sin wasn't better. But the dungeons were better.

[spice spire]

You could potentially convince me of s2

The argument was sin specifically

[gusty mirage]

season 2 was atrocious

what

[strange python]

There's not a single dungeon in the pool atm that's fun.

Also the affix

[gusty mirage]

I mean you're not wrong

[spice spire]

The affix was good. It felt like sim wasn’t completely gimped

I unironically like AA

[strange python]

Thundering is heinous.

[gusty mirage]

the affix was awful

[spice spire]

Outside or bird boss

[strange python]

Actually I do like AA.

[gusty mirage]

you ever do a +22

[strange python]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

perma slowed cause everyone skipped suggondeez?

[strange python]

Bird needs fixing too.

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

and ocld guy?

cold*

SO much fun

wow

[spice spire]

I did it on soa too

[gusty mirage]

perma slow for a 5 minute boss fight on tyran

[wary ice]

Vaults is fun post boss nerfs tbh

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

what a blast

[strange python]

Vault is too long still

[gusty mirage]

big fan of nokhud guys

[spice spire]

That was the last season I actually tried to do keys

[gusty mirage]

my fav dungeon EVER

[wary ice]

with the gimmick skip it feels fine

[gusty mirage]

esp when the spear double ticks people on tyrannical

and they just die

what a great dungeon

[wary ice]

nokhud can die

[spice spire]

Nokhud is okay.
But uh. Yeah.

[gusty mirage]

I wish whoever designed nokhud designed everything in the game

[spice spire]

Vaults? Nah

[strange python]

Third boss in nokhud is the worst dungeon boss in years.

[gusty mirage]

what a wonderful experience that is

[spice spire]

Ruby, eh

[wary ice]

RLP I feel like theres a good dungeon there

they just hid it under a pile of horse shit

[gusty mirage]

if you wanna see me tilt @spice spire @spice spire bring me to a nokhud

idk why it tagged you twice

[spice spire]

Bet

[gusty mirage]

but here we are

there is not a difficulty

[stray mural]

Nokhud as a whole is my least favorite. I don’t think I’ve earned the right to talk because I haven’t even timed a 19 yet but the dungeons don’t feel good.

[gusty mirage]

in which I enjoy that dungeon

[spice spire]

One for each puzzlebox you have

[gusty mirage]

normal?

fuck right off

heroic?

mythic?

+20?

doesn't matter

[rare jackal]

i dont mind nokhud
the other DF dungeons are more obnoxious

[gusty mirage]

whoever invented that dungeon is a fucking terrorist

[spice spire]

That’s gonna be me with brackenhide next tier

[gusty mirage]

and I already reported them to homeland security

[rare jackal]

whoever thought it was a good idea to give the crystal boys a frontal that covers your whole screen if you look at it from an angle needs to get reevaluated

[waxen pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[stray mural]

In AV?

[gusty mirage]

and then they bring back cos

[spice spire]

They’ll nerf it to the ground and I’ll still hate it on principle

[wary ice]

IDT theres a single person psyched for brackenhide m+ tbh

[gusty mirage]

and you're like okay not bad

[rare jackal]

ye

[gusty mirage]

but halls of valor?

like fuck you

[spice spire]

HoV can fuck off

Perma shit list dungeon

[strange python]

Court sucks donkey dong

[gusty mirage]

temple of jade serpent also giga

[stray mural]

Yes

[spice spire]

Post nerd, do not care

[gusty mirage]

"lets just add more shitty trash"

[spice spire]

Temple I’m mid on

[rare jackal]

yeah HoV is not fun

[rare jackal]

same

[strange python]

The entire path to the first boss in court is heinous.

[gusty mirage]

"and for FUNSIES, let's add a trash pack before the last boss that has 4 tank busters AND a fear, AND a guy who spawns little dudes who explode"

[spice spire]

I got hit by a torch once on fortified

And wanted to end it

[stray mural]

HoV and AV aren’t fun because if you miss a kick on trash your group fucking dies

[gusty mirage]

the hov bosses are miserable

odyn on a high tyran key?

[wary ice]

hov is a 45 minute key with 12 minutes dedicated to walking

[gusty mirage]

better hope you can decipher colors and locations in under 2s

[rare jackal]

i think with a bit better tuning the HoV bosses are alright

[stray mural]

Legion nightmares

[rare jackal]

yeah the mark damage was ludicruous

[stray mural]

I save cloak for mark every time

I stand in the middle and cloak it

[warped hatch]

2 sec is being generous

[gusty mirage]

that's after you healthpot

2s AFTER healthpot

no healthpot

you just die

how many times I tried greeding my health pot

and I died right next to my marker

after I sprinted to get there

[spice spire]

To tell you how bad temple trash is. Did a 19 cos with jez (396) and outside of 3 really unfortunate enforcer spawns, it was mostly fine.
She chain died in a 15 temple to trash

[gusty mirage]

like cool

[stray mural]

Speaking of keys, anyone have tips for timing like 19’s and 20’s this week

I kind of exclusively pug

[gusty mirage]

what are the affixes?

[wary ice]

after u sprinted to get out of the circle then sprinted to get back to the center of the fight so you can sprint to get to the rune :^)

[rare jackal]

do damage and dont die 🧠

[spice spire]

Do dam, avoid spiteful, and blast boss

[wary ice]

"just use mobility :4head:"

[spice spire]

Spiteful grievous innit

[gusty mirage]

oh spiteful quaking

eh that's not too bad

[rare jackal]

thank god, that sounds chill

[gusty mirage]

except its tyrannical

💀

[rare jackal]

quaking is a free slot and spiteful is easy to deal with

[wary ice]

im fine with spiteful now that they dont have 40yd melees 😠

[spice spire]

Yeah tyrannical is the problem

[rare jackal]

im gonna be honest chief, i like playing tyrannical more for the most part

[spice spire]

Also evasion is your best friend for spiteful

[gusty mirage]

stretch armstrong meleeing you for 100k from 40 yards away

[wary ice]

just another day for melee dps in keys

[gusty mirage]

next week tho is free af

bursting/explosive/fort

PUSHWEEK BOYS

[spice spire]

[stray mural]

Tyrannical spiteful quaking

[spice spire]

Muh pushweek

[warped hatch]

Explosive never free

Always gets missed at the worst time

[gusty mirage]

just need to have a group that understand that bosses have mechanics

and avoid hov

like the plague this week

[stray mural]

Yeah. Agreed.

Five bosses? Hell no.

[gusty mirage]

honorable mentions to RLP and nokhud

and maybe azure vault

azure vault success depends on how competent your healer is

[stray mural]

That’s half the pool man

[gusty mirage]

cause 2nd and 3rd boss hurt

[gusty mirage]

oh I'm aware

[spice spire]

Evergreen advice

[gusty mirage]

worst part of this week

is we're extending

so I have to get 8 keys done

[rare jackal]

every ruby tyrannical run:
surely this key wont deplete at the last boss
the key depleted with the last boss

[thorn fjord]

Y'all making it to the last boss? 😕

lol jk

[gusty mirage]

algathar is two bosses

[stray mural]

I simply just want portals. I don’t know how many weeks it’s going to take me but I just want timed 20’s across the board.

[gusty mirage]

bird and elemental

if you clear those

you're gucci

[thorn fjord]

Are the affixes cancer this week?

[gusty mirage]

spiteful quacking

[spice spire]

Nah

[gusty mirage]

🦆

[spice spire]

It’s a good tyran week tbh

I need to do an sbg this week

[gusty mirage]

I miss necrotic tyrannical

especially a necrotic tyran top

what a great week for top that was

[stray mural]

No

[spice spire]

Highest tyran is a 13

[thorn fjord]

wtf dude

[spice spire]

It’s always a great week for top

[gusty mirage]

necrotic AND mortal strike on your tank?

boy oh boy

[spice spire]

Sub 22

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire WHERE ARE YOUR FRIENDS?!

[spice spire]

?

[thorn fjord]

how is your highest tyran a 13

lol

[gusty mirage]

AMA

[spice spire]

Every sbg I get, I’ve ended up gifting to guildies for their vault

And sometimes it’s ug

[thorn fjord]

oihhh sbg

[gusty mirage]

as you can see

[spice spire]

Less than ideal

[thorn fjord]

derp

[gusty mirage]

I always have a blast

in nokhud

untimed 20s

aww shucks I lost like 6 score

whatever will I do

[spice spire]

21 fortified sbg timed np

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[thorn fjord]

I still have a hard time getting in to 20 pugs

its really annoying getting declined by shitters 😦

[gusty mirage]

I get dragged into keys by my guild

because I won't play the game otherwise

lmao

[spice spire]

This week is blackvneck time

(Because I need jez to get gear outside or 2 hours on a Monday)

[gusty mirage]

how bold of you to assume I won't kill myself after broodkeeper prog tonight

[spice spire]

I’d hope not

[magic vine]

thats like everyone tbh. my buddy is a resto druid and goes through tons of group applications before getting a bite

[gusty mirage]

^

if you ever want to see why you don't get invited to a key

list a key

and see how many dps sign up

[spice spire]

If it’s HoV? Ghost town

Everything else

[stray mural]

Do you play with a dedicated group of people

[spice spire]

[fleet imp]

HoV its ezpz now tbf

[gusty mirage]

no, my GM looks at how little I've played

and goes "we're doing keys login"

and then I throw a temper tantrum

[thorn fjord]

lol

[gusty mirage]

and login

[thorn fjord]

you oxi dm me your blizz name i should add you

[stray mural]

Must be nice to get dragged to keys higher than 16 for lols.

[gusty mirage]

oxi#1489

[thorn fjord]

based

[stray mural]

I’ve had to fight for mediocrity and it sucks.

[thorn fjord]

What do you mean

[magic vine]

i had a tank pull 4 stags with the first dragon the other day

[gusty mirage]

it was, until I realized half of them were trap keys

"oh Ian has to gear his evoker lets do your +20"

"ok"

homeboy rolls up to my +20 with a 378 evoker

like mmkay

"I can tank your +20 algathar"

"You're 392 ilvl on your tank"

"I'm a CHAD just watch"

[warped hatch]

Ah so you timed it easily 😂😂

[gusty mirage]

bird one shots him

[stray mural]

That’s the exact situation I am in but my guild does AOTC. I get brought to keys where people play off specs and don’t take anything at all seriously.

[gusty mirage]

mmkay

[thorn fjord]

TBF prot war wouldnt have any issues

[gusty mirage]

and then I get yelled at

LOL

I ran away from the group in a 20 nokhud

cause he was struggling to heal it

on the gale arrow

so I feinted and had my healthpot ready

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

and died

and he screamed at me

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-horror-bad-memories-apocalypse-blue-shirt-gif-16881542

[gusty mirage]

I was like bro you're stacking on the warlock and boomkin

I'm not running to egypt

lmao

[stray mural]

So I have to pug everything and I’m not sure if pugs can get me to where I want to go

Which is just timed 20’s

[thorn fjord]

i can just imagine how oxi is on Disc

[spice spire]

They can

[thorn fjord]

i bet its amazing

[spice spire]

It’s just patient

[silk rover]

Egyptian pugs

[gusty mirage]

you can, but it's a LOT of pain man

a LOT

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I was running algathars

for a puzzle box

and came across so many people

[spice spire]

Same

[gusty mirage]

there was a group, doing a +16

the tank died like 8 times

on the tree boss trash

[spice spire]

Many failed 16-17s because of cawwth

[gusty mirage]

they thanked me for not leaving

and I'm like dude

[thorn fjord]

lol

[strange python]

Where servers

[gusty mirage]

I'm not dipping on you cause we didn't time it

who gives a fuck

[thorn fjord]

2 hours -_-

[magic vine]

you can get to timed 20s, i had a bdk in a uh, 17? hov that had 35% uptime on d&d and was using rune tap

[gusty mirage]

its either this or sit afk in valdrakken contemplating my life choices

idk I want a reason to play the game

if people ask me to do 16s

[spice spire]

Rune tap is technically a build

[gusty mirage]

I'll show up

idgaf

a group of my friends think I'm an elitist or some shit

[magic vine]

its a build in that its a talent choice you can take lol

[gusty mirage]

"why don't you invite us to your keys?"

like bro I don't run my keys ever

lmao

[spice spire]

Rune tap can be good if you’re chad pulling

If you’re not

[strange python]

But I'm bored

[gusty mirage]

"why don't you invite us to keys?"

lol

[spice spire]

First like 6 seconds of a pull see the scariest as bdk, after that, you’re chuckling

[sour citrus]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[stray mural]

I just wish that I could play more with the five 26-2700 rated people in my guild instead of being brought along to the joke keys. I’ve tried to make our own group and we’re working on dungeon knowledge.

[sour citrus]

!expert

[prisma monolith]

Expert mode allowes you to use custom apl parmeters.
You can toggle it with a checkmark under custom apl.
Video on how to activate/use it: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/871024892814979082/2021-07-31_15-41-07.mp4

[stray mural]

I know I’m worth more than a joke

[gusty mirage]

honestly that's your best bet

make a group, learn the dungeons with that group

and shit on the 2700 guys

[spice spire]

[magic vine]

the issue with rune tap is that you have to get mega value out of the duration of the tap, because you're not getting your normal resources and instead just that damage reduction

[gusty mirage]

what I noticed is 2700-2800 brackets are filled with a bunch of people who think they're a lot better than they actually are

put together a group of people you enjoy playing with and just have fun

[spice spire]

Exactly. First few seconds of a chad pull

[gusty mirage]

you'll eventually get there

[spice spire]

Otherwise worthless

[magic vine]

worse than worthless

[gray crest]

Oxi you did get soulstone survivors

[magic vine]

actual negative value

[gusty mirage]

@gray crest knows one of those "2800" guys in our guild

[stray mural]

I’ve built a network of really good pugs. I’ve yet to come across like a solid 4 person group of people trying to push for that goal instead of expecting it to just happen

[gusty mirage]

he tried telling me the orbs hitting vex in algathar doesn't do damage

I was like yes it does

[spice spire]

Tilted keys for pushing = no fun.
Failed keys with the homies = more fun

[gusty mirage]

"no it doesn't"

so I let 3 of them hit the boss

and we wiped

lol

"That must be new"

like naw fam

you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about

[thorn fjord]

Bro it’s wild how true this is

[gusty mirage]

he's 2800 io

thinks he's gods gift to m+

didn't know a basic mythic mechanic that we learned week fucking 1

[gray crest]

Who is this

[gusty mirage]

idd

him and jet tried telling me the orbs hitting vex don't do anything

I was like they for sure do

but what did I know

I was only 2600

[magic vine]

lol

[gusty mirage]

I'm the petty mfer that will let us wipe 5 times to the same mechanic

maybe they'll learn something

[thorn fjord]

What’s also interesting is how some people can really excel in m+ and become ultra shit tier in raid setting

[stray mural]

I don’t think I’m gods gift to anything, I just like the feeling of getting high keys done. It oftentimes feels like because I don’t play outlaw that I’m never considered. Then they just start leveling rogues instead of even considering that I may be somebody to play with.

Maybe this is in my head

Idfk

[gray crest]

I wish my key group would push more keys, but 3/5 of them swapped mains so I'm stuck with 16s to gear their rat characters

[thorn fjord]

Or the m+ chads who get that dose of reality when they realize they can’t hang in mythic raid

[gusty mirage]

yea best case man is just stick with the homies in the guild

[spice spire]

It’s a different setting altogether

[gusty mirage]

and build up to that level yourselves

it'll be significantly more satisfying for you imo

[sour citrus]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[spice spire]

And I don’t think it’s always the giga chad m+ bros that are like that

[gusty mirage]

score is just score, as long as you get the portals before the end of the season

job done

[spice spire]

It’s a consistent issue with m+ versus raid

[gusty mirage]

and it'll get easier the better gear you guys get

you got this

[sour citrus]

!fuu

[gusty mirage]

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but a lot of them assume they can hang in raid based off of mythic + performance lol

[stray mural]

Yes. It could be the second to last or last week and I’d be happy

[spice spire]

Yeah I’ve met a few.
We’ve had a few historically

[thorn fjord]

Man I used to be such a shitter in m+

[gusty mirage]

buddy I still am a shitter

[slow marsh]

same

[gusty mirage]

I was the 7th assassination rogue in s4 SL

out of like 100

but still

[thorn fjord]

laughs in varas

[spice spire]

I think the biggest positive I can say, is the m+ers who are huge in keys but not so much in raid that we have currently, are still willing to learn and grow

And that’s sick

[magic vine]

depending on the role M= vs raid can be drastically different

[gusty mirage]

(7th assa rogue was 2289th in the world overall KEK)

[slow marsh]

I feel like i'm the opposite

Raid is easy for me but i'm a dent brain when it comes to m+

[spice spire]

Same

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

I perform better in raid than I do m+

[magic vine]

like how you play tank/healer changes a ton, and even for dps sometimes the change in spec can make it play decently different

[slow marsh]

but to be fair raid is easier than m+ in general so it makes sense

[thorn fjord]

Small victories make huge wins

[spice spire]

Spec diff

[gusty mirage]

don't let seli know I called myself a shitter

he'll start yelling at me again

[spice spire]

Hell find a reason to yell at you anyway

Dw

[gusty mirage]

true

idk man I tried pushing m+ in SL hard

[spice spire]

Man likes to yell

[stray mural]

Isn’t he the number 1 guy

[gusty mirage]

and I ran into a lot of unsavory individuals

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

#1 assassin

I think seliandra is still #1 rogue

[stray mural]

Peoples champion

[gusty mirage]

nah

for sure isn't

jpc and speed are 1 and 2

@vernal sigil is wonderful tho and 4th

[spice spire]

Oh wow

Even casualaddict is up there

[gusty mirage]

the best of our pirate brethren

absolute gamer and a top notch individual

[oak sky]

I stink

[gusty mirage]

yes but I still love you

[magic vine]

it can be tricky to push content at any level, in that if the group doesn't have the same sort of expectations in effort/performance/etc it can get messy

[gusty mirage]

yea

it's about finding people with similar goals to you

and people you enjoy playing with

[slow marsh]

I need homies to group with

[gusty mirage]

because tensions get super high

[spice spire]

Holy fuck pxb top 100

[gusty mirage]

ye

he's been running with humanity

[spice spire]

Top 100 actually bricked up with rogues rn

[oak sky]

If i get azure vault and finally actually do a tyran smbg my io might be solved

[gusty mirage]

to quote our good friend @echo geyser from a pretty good raider io article written by a totally cute rogue who I will not name:

[slow marsh]

i'm huge

[spice spire]

Ur gonna be a pumper

Once you get gear

[slow marsh]

Maybe

[oak sky]

I gave up on sin weeks ago

[thorn fjord]

S4 gave me a ton of unwarranted faith in being a top 100 sin rogue in raid

[slow marsh]

I need to actually do content to get gear

[oak sky]

[thorn fjord]

Ive been struggling this tier

[magic vine]

i like to still finish a key, because it helps me get a grasp on how bad <x> disaster is in a given instance

[thorn fjord]

Im like top 500 but thats nothing to write home about

[spice spire]

Sign up for Tuesday wtf

[gusty mirage]

you sir, are a pumper

[slow marsh]

where sign up, i was planning on it

[gusty mirage]

[stray mural]

It doesn’t feel good to look at this and I decided to do something about it last week. It’s why I’m interested with getting the content I want to done.

[spice spire]

Oh let me fix that

[gusty mirage]

looks fine man

everyone starts somewhere

[stray mural]

Look at those bricks

I’ve been doing this for five seasons you’d think I’d be better at this

[gusty mirage]

I mean you timed an 18 TJS

that's still really good

the thing is, if you primarily pug

you end up getting "stuck"

because of the way the system is

[magic vine]

especially for some stuff like, in a pug trying to do crazy chad pulls right at the start of cos is bad, since if the pull goes wrong people release and get dropped back into combat and it can really spiral

[gusty mirage]

higher IO is more likely to get you invited to higher keys

but you can't get higher IO without doing higher keys

[thorn fjord]

dont worry @stray mural as you can see we're smoll boiz out here

[stray mural]

Any pug where the tank is like “okay rip lust” i get scared

[gusty mirage]

also

these dungeons

are so anti-pug

its ridiculous

[spice spire]

Check now. I fucked your perms up

[gusty mirage]

there's so many pulls that you need to pull crazy where being uncoordinated is spooky af

plus m+ is a team effort

there's 0% chance all of those depletes are your fault

I've left key sessions with the guild where I wanted to fly to wherever our enhancement shaman lives and beat him in the face 100 times

[slow marsh]

As someone who still plays competitive team sports, m+ has a lot of similarities

[gusty mirage]

because he just wouldn't kick for whatever reason

and these were coordinated groups

2 weeks ago we couldn't time a key to save our lives

lmao

we depleted like 90% of the keys we did

[thorn fjord]

Nobody in the group calling kicks?

I try to kidney anything that im not focus kicking on to make the rest of the groups life easier

[gusty mirage]

no we did

he just didn't kick

[stray mural]

I just try to stop everything because I have no faith in my groups

[thorn fjord]

I should really start taking gauge

[stray mural]

It’s so hard

[gusty mirage]

this is a semi-coordinated group with people who are mythic raid geared

and we depleted 20s like it was on sale

[stray mural]

AV feels like I’m doing the job of two and a half dps

[thorn fjord]

If you're telling dude to kick and he wont kick id get super triggered

[gusty mirage]

brother

he wiped us on fenryr

[thorn fjord]

And when i get triggered in disc i start going off

[stray mural]

I’m too afraid to install a kick tracker because I’d just get depressed

[gusty mirage]

because he ran out and thundering went off

stunning 3 of us

[stray mural]

I already get depressed checking stops and interrupts in details after keys

[slow marsh]

was it cuz of tunneling or what

[gusty mirage]

we told him to stay put and the other 2 would run out

and he wouldn't listen

idk man

[magic vine]

i've been tempted but frontals are scary

[slow marsh]

i'm finding enhance to be very tunnel prone

cuz you have a shit ton of procs to react to

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's a fun game for me to play with a shaman

[thorn fjord]

Thats a part of the class lore

[gusty mirage]

and see that I had 20 more interrupts than them

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[stray mural]

It’s not that bad the benefits outweigh the cons and you can’t gouge everything

[gusty mirage]

someone explain that to me

how did I have 20 more interrupts than a shaman

[magic vine]

i have a shadowstep-to-healer bind that has come in real handy

and a wa that pings with 5s left on thundering

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage 2700 this reset surely

[stray mural]

Me and 2500

I think I can make it happen

[oak sky]

Good luck king

[thorn fjord]

yeah im 2478.. hoping for the achievement this week

[stray mural]

It’s just timing three keys how badly could it possibly go 😵‍💫

[thorn fjord]

But i want pink parses on Mythic this week

[spice spire]

2424. The sbg will be a big jump even at a 17-18

[thorn fjord]

But i'll get benched on all the farm bosses

[thorn fjord]

if your sbg is 13 and you do a 19-20 that'll prob do it

[spice spire]

Nah I have a 21 timed on fort

So it won’t be GIGA gains, but it’ll be a nice bump

[thorn fjord]

ah

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lament warren]

whenever

you want dots up asap

especially w lust

[thorny pond]

Deja vu, Oxi hates shaman pugs confirmed

[magic vine]

does ench get all the aoe stun things or was that just elemental?

[gray crest]

It wasnt a pug, it was either our shaman main or a shaman alt from the look of it

[thorn fjord]

it wasnt a pug tho LOL

[rapid stratus]

Is there a reason the sim shows using shiv before exsang, and puzzle box between exsang and death mark?

[storm forum]

idk why it uses shiv so early, but the exsang/puzzle box thing is because it uses exsang and box in the same global

[wary ice]

my group is a prot pally and a dh and all they do is snipe every interrupt and then give me shit for not kicking as much

[rapid stratus]

Right, but seems like it’d just be better to box on rupture global before. W/e prolly doesn’t make a huge difference either way, was just comparing sim opener to the FAQ one

Ty

[magic vine]

not sure if its a functional difference, and might be because of how the apl is setup. realistically for play you can macro exsang->box so it matches how you'd use it at least

[royal lantern]

just kick better

[wary ice]

[royal lantern]

subscribe for more big m+ tricks

[severe sparrow]

my sims opener is totally wild too, i uh, just use the one from the faq cuz it makes more sense to lizard brain

[shut owl]

why should I kick important things though when me and my buddy can pad kicks on something like.... thunderbolt instead of flashfire in RLP though, and then give the rogue hell?

[slim hamlet]

I am 99% sure opener isnt optimized on sims

That's what I see people say often when questions are asked about it at least

[shut owl]

sim opener is wild sometimes

take it with salt

[echo geyser]

[slim hamlet]

big cat

[severe sparrow]

i pretend the rotation part of sims doesnt exist tbh. im pretty sure it even says above it "dont blindly do what the sim does"

[waxen pulsar]

So, i am thinking to hardswap from outlaw to assa for st and sub for m+. What would the downdide of sub be for m+, compared to outlaw, besides two targets, which sub is bad at?

Wait. Wrong channel. Ffs

[slow marsh]

probably ask the sub channel

[slim hamlet]

Downside of sub is CoS 🙂

That's about it

[waxen pulsar]

Posted in sub too. My bad for wrong channel

[slow marsh]

all good =]

[static glacier]

whole ass vid by yoda about this topic, was 4 weeks ago so if anythting it should be more sub favoured now, though then again I think he's slightly biased towards sub https://youtu.be/FHiv4M-CWpA

[spice spire]

Bro I love court of stars

[dense atlas]

outlaw main but looking to play around as sin is it really crit>mast>haste>vers?

[spice spire]

Loosely

Stats fluctuate a lot tho

[slim hamlet]

Some of this is a bit outdated now

He talked about it on stream a few days ago

[storm forum]

the plight of wow content creation

[static glacier]

the talent trees / what talent in what key probably

but the core arguments outside of the 10.0.5 talent changes for the most part should be relevant

[slim hamlet]

Yea now u just choose between soothing darkness and acrobatic I believe

not a sub gamer tho so not sure

[static glacier]

not even a choice, been taking acro 24/7 since start of expac

dropped improved ambush even for it

the tilt from pressing sectec and having it not go off due to range and then dance ending hurts.

[magic vine]

soothing, acro, imp sprint are the big 3 options mostly

[prisma cypress]

problem is, with acro, you can sectec but have the shadow clones not hit at all since they don't benefit from acro

[magic vine]

personally acro is the worst of the three

[static glacier]

I'm inhaling the cope and feelium

actual output matters less than frustration to me

[prisma cypress]

if they ever fix that interaction then it's acro all day baby

[magic vine]

soothing is real nice on anything with aoe dmg, sprint is real nice on anything where that comes up

[indigo wing]

hey so i'm trying to make the switch to assassination but i cant seem to find a really good M+ guide video wise can someone point me in the right direction? i really want to play sin but im stuck sub/outlaw

[thorny pond]

if you aren't standing in the bosses ass, you aren't doing it correctly

[royal lantern]

the curse of acro

you picked it once, can never drop it again

[static glacier]

^

[thorny pond]

We don't recommend any M+ guides here. They quickly get dated

[magic vine]

cowl is like 5 yards isn't it? so you need to be up close anyways for ring combo

[thorny pond]

However I recommend searching streamers on raider.io and finding one you like and watching

[static glacier]

best bet is watch one of the very few top end sin rogues

stream / yt dungeon vids

[indigo wing]

any recommendations?

[static glacier]

seliathan, varas and endwyr come to mind for sin

[indigo wing]

thank yoU!

[static glacier]

im sure i've missed a few but those should provide content

[indigo wing]

i'm just trying to understand how to function in aoe should i be swapping targets? should i only focus one and spread with MO

i tried the build on discord then i tried a streamers build zero cool but im not sure im struggling alot ST with these mythic builds

[thorny pond]

A lot of this is covered in the #assassination-faq

[static glacier]

the m+ build's st isn't as strong as raid st build, shouldn't be a ton weaker than other classes in keys though

[indigo wing]

@thorny pond im reading it now thank you

@static glacierit has to be me in some way i gotta see what i'm doing wrong.

[indigo wing]

quick question is there a spot where welpshell is covered?

[thorny pond]

What do you mean?

Like what do we train? ST whelp for all content

[static glacier]

yep

[indigo wing]

oh shit really

i did half and half

[magic vine]

st whelp, its good but not best and can be spotty

[indigo wing]

i did 3 st 3 aoe

so i should switch to 6 st

[magic vine]

you can keep training st and it'll switch over yea

[indigo wing]

what about the crit buff?

[magic vine]

you can sim the different buffs on raidbots

[thorny pond]

not really worth

[magic vine]

in "simulation options"

[indigo wing]

got it and can you use draconic augmentation with Draconic Augment Rune? or is it one or the other

[subtle tundra]

umm

is there a holiday in america

why is kb not getting any buffs

its tuesday right?

[thorny pond]

lmao

[indigo wing]

lmfao

[subtle tundra]

im genuinely concerned

did blizz forget about assa

[sonic spindle]

Today is national hot chocolate day

[subtle tundra]

lets not forget about m+

[storm forum]

they're waiting for next tier

[native belfry]

Sin is fine

[terse orchid]

They're doing us a favor

[subtle tundra]

yea i also thought assa was good in m+

then i saw what sub can do

[storm forum]

i dont care about sin being fine, i want KB to be fine

[subtle tundra]

and realised assa is dogshit

[junior aurora]

assa is /fine/ in m+ lol

not the best rogue spec but its definitely playable

[slow marsh]

everything is playable

[subtle tundra]

yea go do a key with a sub

they will smoke you

and wont even be funny

[storm forum]

I like AP, it feels fun to press shiv and get 5 CP and do a million dps, but god does it feel bad to be an assa rogue and be mid/bot dps on bosses

[slow marsh]

the icing on the cake is that assa is harder in m+ for less results

[storm forum]

and DTB is boring

[subtle tundra]

assa isnt harder

it used to be with kb

but rn its braindead with dtb

[sonic spindle]

I just thought IC would be our blade flurry esp with 4pc but it’s just not 😦

[subtle tundra]

ic is insane

[slow marsh]

yeah ic is like on the cusp imo

[storm forum]

yeah 45 second CD isnt the same as perma-flurry

[subtle tundra]

only reason assa has any chance of being good

[storm forum]

but its really nice

[thorny pond]

which one, fuck

[slow marsh]

I think the frustrating thing about assassination is that it seems like the only times it's actually really good is when things are broken

[storm forum]

and i think it better fits the burst vs sustain that's assa vs pirate

[oak sky]

Legs are bis

[spice spire]

Do you already have a 415?

And are you downing m raz?

[thorny pond]

no and no

[subtle tundra]

i litearlly have 0 slots in weekly box FUCK FUCK i forgot to play this week

[oak sky]

Oh wait yeah

The legs arent bis

[spice spire]

Puzzlebox then

[oak sky]

Forgot theres legs on raz

[thorny pond]

avoidance box

[spice spire]

It has avoidance too?!

Bis bis bis bis bis bis

[slow marsh]

dear lord the wait time even on premo

[thorn fjord]

My boss is at the desk behind me today and i cant open my vault until he leaves -_-

[sonic spindle]

Not with that attitude you can’t

[thorny pond]

Oxi, when do I box xeedeee

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

All that farming and yelling at pugs did reward me

Being toxic got me what I wanted

[spice spire]

Real

[wind dune]

421 hunger of the pack was my weekly haul. not bad

[thorny pond]

not bad at all

[spice spire]

Gz

I’m feeling a socket angle this week

It’s in my bones

[thorny pond]

That was me last 3 weeks bud

I hate this game sometimes

[spice spire]

Me last week

Did 20s this week and have a 1 slot mythic vault

[thorny pond]

My cowl is unmatched

[spice spire]

Heroic can still drop current or grief too

[terse orchid]

Legs bis and fuck puzzle box (especially if you also play other specs)

[thorny pond]

too late

[gleaming geyser]

hunger so fine

[waxen pulsar]

So for assa burst ( with exa ), the opener is as listed including the vanish garrote part before Exa. Right?

[wind dune]

yea

[waxen pulsar]

Ah good.

Then it's your basic keep garrote and rupture up, keep vanish for garrote dm and ham basically. Right?

[wind dune]

yea and line up puzzlebox and exsang on the 4min mark if the fight last that long

[waxen pulsar]

Sweet

[wise gull]

been playing much less this expac but

seems good

[spice spire]

Very nice

[signal vortex]

400 ilvl today 🙌

[spice spire]

Big! Good job!

[waxen pulsar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[true rapids]

thanks blizz for adding basically adding another heart of azeroth but leaving in neck drops

[spice spire]

[versed canopy]

didnt get my set shoulders

prob gonna take the trinket

[stray mural]

My vault missed really badly. Oh well

From what I’ve learned here today it’s better to just accept suffering and learn

[strange python]

Any 86k simmers?

No ring sad

[subtle tundra]

First pull of the night 8%

honestly

[signal vortex]

Got upgradeable pants from the vault, and changing out gloves to make upgrades a bit better. So alot of upgrades today. Literally jump 4 ilvl in 10 minutes

[stray mural]

Nice

[spice spire]

Actually yes

I went from barely 74 to 86 on a few pieces

For some reason it had PI at the footer still

[thorn fjord]

God hates me

[thorny pond]

i love u tho

[onyx linden]

how much dps is a gem socket?

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

You can sim it in top gear

Varies widely

[gray crest]

God has left us a long time ago

[jade wadi]

do I take 411 grieftorch? or 421 pants that I can catalyze. My current pants are 398, but also upgradable with valor.

[thorn fjord]

wtf does this mean

[royal lantern]

it means seri forgot to handle a error

[thorn fjord]

tru

[peak basin]

I had to remove duplicate items to resolve that error.

[spice spire]

Raidbots dead

[peak basin]

Even if they were diff ilvl

[spice spire]

It’s having issues

[true rapids]

do you plan to kill Mythic Raz if so prolly the torch if not the 421 pants are the highest pants you can get outside of Raz

[thorny pond]

open site in new tab

and then paste in fresh simc

[thorn fjord]

wrong person 😛

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-the-legend-of-ron-burgundy-comedy-paul-rudd-sex-panther-gif-3521955

[true rapids]

do you plan to kill Mythic Raz if so prolly the torch if not the 421 pants are the highest pants you can get outside of Raz

[jade wadi]

ty!

[true rapids]

but simming is always best bet

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mVNQxzcLhhRp6vdPxehSQM

feel like i should take the torch for prog

but like

=/

[amber stream]

Hey peeps, can I equip 2 Primal Motel Shortblades (only 1 is with embellishment)?

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[amber stream]

Cool, thanks.

[slim pebble]

The food one doesn't count if you don't have one

[thorn fjord]

Meh look like im taking the pants

flat 1% for both sin and OL

[amber stream]

Would you craft an off hand 418 upgraded from 402 dagger, or upgrade Lariat from 405 to 418?

[thorn fjord]

Does RB account for deaths in the sim with grieftorch?

[spice spire]

Lariat more than likely

[spice spire]

Pretty sure no

[thorn fjord]

So then if my group sucks and constantly dies the torch would have more value?

[royal lantern]

no

[royal lantern]

yes

[thorn fjord]

hmmmmm

[indigo epoch]

Dang. Mediocre vault this week.

[proven cipher]

does anyone know what is causing raidbots error" seri forgot to handle"?

[indigo epoch]

Zug zug

[royal lantern]

raidbot server dead

[proven cipher]

ok thanks

[thorn fjord]

what would you take @royal lantern legs or torch

[gaunt basin]

Hiya peeps, is assa garbo in m+? or can i make it work 🙂

[indigo epoch]

Can def make it work.

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-df-1/world/rogue/assassination

Is it as meta as outlaw? Nope.

[weary marten]

bros i need help.

I have problems with energy on my rotations.

single target

[thorn fjord]

You sipping tea tho?

[weary marten]

all the time without energy

yeah, im sipping tea

but i think im doing something wrong

because Im almost all the fight without energy.

[thorn fjord]

Did you maybe forgot to apply poisons?

It happens

[royal lantern]

@thorn fjord spider wipe, boss had 2481hp left

litearlly

1 dot crit

[weary marten]

I DID

[royal lantern]

aoihgoüpaisg

[weary marten]

oh my good

thanks

god

[thorn fjord]

Ugggghhh

Happens to the best of us @weary marten

[gray crest]

Should've thrown a banana peel on the ground and hoped the boss stepped on it

[royal lantern]

4digit hp number

[gray crest]

Would've killed it with that low of a number

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[deft vault]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mVNQxzcLhhRp6vdPxehSQM so what do you think

Just take torch?

[spice spire]

What ilvl pants? 421?

[thorn fjord]

418

But id be next in line for mythic sennarth pants

[spice spire]

What boss are you at now?

[thorn fjord]

Kurog dies tonight or thurs

[spice spire]

Isn’t sennarth only 415?

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

But the 3 IL shouldnt be too crazy

[spice spire]

Maybe it is grief angle

[thorn fjord]

Yeah my group likes to die

[spice spire]

Given context

[thorn fjord]

Fuck it im just going to take the torch and catalyst this 415 chest

Yay for double on use in both specs now -_-

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage ITS OVER

and fuck that shit

[thorn fjord]

POG

[royal lantern]

was weebed for 30sec on that pull

[thorn fjord]

grats dude

[royal lantern]

cus nobody freed me

lazy fuckers

shit log now, 100%

well, a 84

but still

fuck my life, could have been 90+

[vestal wren]

nice gz, time for storm boy

[royal lantern]

no

kurog

who the fuck does dathea first

[chrome peak]

Does Raid DTB correspond to the Exsang opener or the DTB opener?

[spice spire]

Both

[chrome peak]

So which one do I do?

[spice spire]

The Exsang opener. If you take Exsang, you follow that

If you don’t (in the build section it gives you an opt out) you run the other

[chrome peak]

Okay, thank you ^^

[weary token]

Rogue noob here, just crafted a 405 dagger and was wanting to try to learn assassination (been mostly playing outlaw). Do I have to have a 2nd dagger, or can I make due with dagger mh / sword oh since I already had a 405 sword?

[tired night]

Does improved garrote snapshot?

[spice spire]

You need a second dagger

[proper tapir]

Nah mate, you need two daggers

[weary token]

Right on, figured that was probably the case, but was optimistic, hahaha

[spice spire]

Afaik no. Nothing snapshots except Exsang with haste but there’s nothing that uses that mechanic this tier

[proper tapir]

You can grab an easy low ilevel one from the bloody tokens vendor

[viscid spear]

Can't use Mutilate unless you are dual-wielding daggers

[weary token]

I've got a 389 that I was using as my outlaw OH, so no worries there. Was just hoping to keep the 16ilvl upgrade from the sword, haha

[sudden canyon]

yall run double on use?

puzzlebox & torch

[royal lantern]

sadly yes

🙂

[sudden canyon]

ewewwwww

🤮

[royal lantern]

be ready to replace torch with a incarnate icon

and then realise that torch is better anyway cus people die

[proper tapir]

On use is one thing, but a cast and channel is rough

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1064628417707905035/puzzlebox.gif

[thorny aurora]

Hey what would you advise untalenting to get 3 points in zoldycks? I'm progging mythic terros and would like more execute damage

[magic vine]

oh no not 1gcd nooo

[royal lantern]

yes

i could do NOTHING in that gcd

[magic vine]

regen energy

[oak sky]

You dont need execute on terros if you enter later phases with lower hp the boss ends quicker @thorny aurora

Overall damage will kill the fight faster

[magic vine]

don't need execute if you die before 35%

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wxefCuFt3KMa1beVY69A8W asked OL the same question... Am i a healthy strong boy yet?

[royal wraith]

ALRIGHT MAN WE GET IT

THIS DUDE'S GOT A HUGE PEEPEE

[spice spire]

Nah vecause he’s 5 ilvl ahead and only 2k dps ahead

[royal wraith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3r9dazMy7NJP9nWxsieQdv I'm only average sized

[thorn fjord]

Ooof Feelsbad

[spice spire]

Pb was legit like

6k on its own for me

[thorn fjord]

That’s so sick lol

And this week you’ll be able to get it to 415 I assume

[spice spire]

Nah

[thorn fjord]

Dathea trinket was a 4.5k increase for my OL dslice

Got it last night

[spice spire]

I can get it to 408 or get my legs to 415

[thorn fjord]

Fuck them legs

Level the box

[spice spire]

If I get icon in vault it’s 2k st

Mythic icon***

[thorn fjord]

Yeah icon is huge

Watch you get a 421 pb

[grim jay]

cant say nothing else snapshots, ain't right

[spice spire]

What else snapshots? Ns doesn’t anymore

And those were the only two afaik

[grim jay]

the bleeding of your heart when you press DM before exs

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

I got trolled there

[thorn fjord]

Bleeding hearts baby

Baby is this love for real

[grim jay]

what is love if sin chat aint

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

[royal lantern]

femboys

[thorn fjord]

Lady boiz

[pearl mural]

whelp shell being 2nd best trinket after puzzlebox normal for people from dungeons (at 415)?

figured hunger or whetstone would sim better

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but it’s not consistent

[pearl mural]

makes sense

[sudden canyon]

the shared cd on double on use is annoying too.

[royal lantern]

how bad is if that im #1 dps on kurog

[thorny pond]

not

[sudden canyon]

grape

[unreal coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

more like

are the other dps slacking

or just bad

espacily the outlaw

[thorny pond]

Did you ever consider that you just slap?

Also hard to tell without logs

[thorn fjord]

No way I was able to top overall dmg on kurog with the amount of cleave my group has

But I did have top boss dmg

Only progged one night as sin… been progging as OL now

[thorny pond]

OL is just brain dead. Uber long arms for uptime. BF just hits adds, no thoughts about it

[dense herald]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

exactly why im progging Kurog as OL lol

[thorny pond]

I mean same

[thorn fjord]

Looking forward to using Dathea trinket on the fight now.

[thorny pond]

I will go sin for the other 7 though

[thorn fjord]

Yeah ill prog dathea and brood as sin

[next dune]

ive always been sin, but started expansion late and had to spam keys, and OL was what it was and is so. And once you go OL, its not easy to respec to the others

[thorn fjord]

Its not too bad

[thorny pond]

OL to sin is one dagger basically

[next dune]

and i have all verse gems and enchants. so theres that too heh

[thorn fjord]

I didnt get a single extra spark last week... wanted to craft a 418 OL MH

[thorny pond]

vers isn't as bad as you think

[next dune]

but yeah youre right, can craft a dagger

[thorn fjord]

change to crit/mastery

[thorny pond]

maybe like 400 DPS

• survivability

[next dune]

Lol yup, thats why my oh is a crit/mastery. Prepping for the future 🙂

[royal lantern]

vers is SLIGHTLY worse then the other stats, but for some reason people act as if vers equals 0 dps gain lol

[thorn fjord]

Old habbits

[royal lantern]

but tbh, thats every single secondary stat discussion ever

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that discussion is old and dead

[royal lantern]

"i have more of the stat that gives 7dps instead of 9dps for each point, can i swap specs or am i trolling?"

[solid mica]

Yikes

[thorn fjord]

i mean wheres the lie

[tired girder]

do you refresh garrote and rupture to max duration before every use of death mark? or does it not matter

i know you do it for exsang but didn't know if deathmark also mattered for it

[royal lantern]

you vanish garrote anyway

and rupture should either be a exsang rupture, so yeha

or not, and it doesnt matter

but you can just vanish garrote rupture dm and all is max duration anyway

[thorny pond]

as opposed to have limited range, having to manage bleeds and do less damage?

[royal lantern]

and for exsang its the normal exsang rules

[tired girder]

so on my 2nd use of death mark

if my rupture has 10s on it, it doesn't matter, just refresh it when its running low

and my vanish garrote should always be before death mark on 2nd use?

cause i was delaying my first since its a slight dps again

[solid mica]

You have longarms as sin, and doing less damage doesnt make something harder/easier to play. I Dont get the hatred

[thorny pond]

It's literally not hate what? And you get extra range with BF if you talent it

Also my name is red and I play sin as my main spec. Like OL is objectively easier to aoe on that fight.

[thorn fjord]

RED BOIZ @thorny pond

[royal lantern]

[solid mica]

Yeah its easier for sure but i dont think anyone takes the extra range on kurog cause its permacleave

[thorny pond]

I mean, I do. I have seen plenty of logs with it as well

[thorn fjord]

We talking Acro or the BF range shit?

[thorny pond]

both

acro for sin

[thorn fjord]

I cant play without acro

Fuck that

[thorny pond]

and law

[thorn fjord]

either specs

[thorny pond]

but BF has a talent

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i dont use the BF talent

[thorny pond]

to add 2 more yards

[thorn fjord]

but acro is a must

[royal lantern]

worst thing blizz did, giving all specs acro

legit cant play without it if you picked it once

[thorny pond]

Soaking fire with the extra range from the BF talent is the difference for my group since ranged likes to drop them off in nowhere ville

[tired girder]

should exsang only be used with deathmark? after first use they desync, dont know if its worth to hold for the minute until DM is up again

[thorn fjord]

Is it only Blue elite WQ that count towards catalyst quest?

[solid mica]

Your ranged losing y'all dps thats beat

[thorn fjord]

Or do the regular elite quests count too

Brown ones i mean

[thorny pond]

Welcome to raiding casually

[royal lantern]

*welcome to raiding

where the boomkin and warlock will tell you XD MELEE CANT DO MECHANICS

while standing still and drop shit everywhere, and the 1 hunter does all ranged mechanics solo

🙂

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9yTptEgGaJSwNzitgWeuKu what could I do to break the 80k barrier?

[thorn fjord]

Dump valor in to your pb

[royal lantern]

get eranog ring