assassination

[royal lantern]

real and based

my spoder kill in 2days pls

[next edge]

It feels so fkng good

to be on Kurog

after spider

lol

3 Kurog pulls

already 70%

that means that in 9 pulls he's 10%

[gusty mirage]

ye

then you go do dathea

and wish you could go back to sennarth

[next edge]

hopefulyl she's nerfed to ground when I get to her

Kurog should be 2-3 days of prog tbh

[gusty mirage]

problem is there's nothing to nerf

it's not a hard fight

it's just miserable

if you legit just manage marks properly and do the platforms

the boss just dies

ig you could nerf mark damage

[next edge]

yeah i guess

This tier doesnt feel hard, but super annoying lol

[royal lantern]

aka you understood it after 8 pulls, and then wait 90pulls until the other dps and healers understood it 🙂

[gusty mirage]

yep

[next edge]

sounds as a me life

🙂

[gusty mirage]

legit those are the only 2 things that wipe you though

mismanaging marks

[royal lantern]

thats me in raiding since i started

[gusty mirage]

and fucking up the platforms

cause the big add buffs the boss

and anything more than 3 stacks onthe boss during cyclone

and its ggs

[royal lantern]

do you go up as assa?

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

pain

[gusty mirage]

I was supposed to sit on the boss

then I got asked to play sub

given 5 minutes to set up talents and bars

worked out great

I was doing tank damage

so then I swapped to dtb + IC + IW

and I was a garrote

it was fun

I wanted to drink bleach

[sweet dawn]

What talent setup would you guys recommend for Raza HC?

[kind walrus]

follow up question there, hold exang or use on cd?

[next edge]

If you can settle 3rd DM with exsang

is worth to hold exsang for it

for example in Spider

I got 3rd DM wit hexsang

[gusty mirage]

the standard build

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVUEBEREaFFYhRQCUANVWYAQEShRSWgQBQ

[sweet dawn]

and for adds just FoK and focus big add?

[royal lantern]

raza hc?

[sweet dawn]

ye

[royal lantern]

yeha

the adds should be absolutely 0 problem at all

like, dont need heavy aoe there

[indigo pollen]

i love playing sin

it's just fun as fuck. exsang not my favorite but still fun

[kind walrus]

ait ait ty again

[crimson kettle]

how much more dps than my sim should i do? so i know im fine for my gs

[royal lantern]

you are not supposed to reach your sim dps at all lol

[crimson kettle]

confirmed? is it that accurate?

[royal lantern]

a sim is 5min,all buffs, all consumables, playing perfectly with no movment or mechanics happening

a real fight is NOT that

[next edge]

If you do more dmg tha nyour sim

youre a god

or you simming wrongly

[rugged jewel]

what if it won't replace my main hand?

[frosty cedar]

not really accurate. the sim is an average of many thousands of iterations. you can reach or exceed your sim depending on the variables of any given fight and RNG, though the fight will not always match the variables of the sim itself so how much you read into that is up to you

[tough gorge]

The number of pugs that cant do heroiv dathea is nuts

[royal lantern]

or its just a really lucky pull with a shitton of crits

[crimson kettle]

many thoudands ha, then its pretty accurate i guess

[open venture]

man I haven't played ass and I am trying it out and opener is hard bro, obviously I am bad too

[next edge]

Opener is easy

once you get it

or you do as me

and have it on a screenshot

on the other screen

[royal lantern]

the 2nd exsang is hard

[frosty cedar]

its one of those openers you just have to learn by rote

it does not mean you are bad 👍

[open venture]

always fuck up at cd's part

[frosty cedar]

which part exactly is giving you trouble, and which build are you running?

[next edge]

@gusty mirage Do you DM the add on intermission right

the stormie

and hold exsang for the 3rd DM

[cedar silo]

if i have 36% crit unbuffed would i start using the howling runes instead of buzzing?

[royal lantern]

you sim

crit % doesnt matter

[frosty cedar]

It would be best to sim with both although usually crit is best

[cedar silo]

the sims showing howling as more for me by like 80 ish

[frosty cedar]

also try simming with the whetstone in case that works better for you as well

[cedar silo]

so my sims been showing my 392 puzzle box to be better than my 415 whetstone actually lol

[frosty cedar]

sorry, the whetstone weapon sharpening thing, it shows on sim as AP both hands

[cedar silo]

yea that one was worse by 300

[next edge]

The amount of times

I fuck up

[dense crow]

Currently progging mythic kurog, anyone with experience that has some tips?

[next edge]

How many pugs u in? we just started it today

[dense crow]

Pulls?

17

Also started today

@next edge

[next edge]

Oh, nice

we are on 15 too I think

we got to p2 1-2 times

way better than sennarath tbh

[viscid spear]

Would you say Terros and Senn are hard on Mythic?

[next edge]

Nah

Terros is fairly easy imo

and Senn is just super annoying

[viscid spear]

We're 2/8M but still trying to get AotC

[dark marten]

do we play any cleave for razageth or just use the raid st build?

[lament warren]

st

you kill boss

nothing else

[dense crow]

Terros is just getting the dance down, sennarth is just making sure everyone survives and does decent dps till last phase

[dark marten]

What do we do during the intermission phase when we are pushed off the platform when the adds are spawning?

[steel ridge]

Proc poison bomb

[lament warren]

excuse me

oh

yeah

fok for cp

funnel into ruiner

[rare moon]

how much mastery is good? my sims are running 10k behind outlaw and sub atm wondering if it could just be the stats / ilvl is the same with the weapons

[lament warren]

probably stats

[next edge]

Stats making a 10k diff on sims?

that sounds too mutch no?

[lament warren]

yes

not really

[dense crow]

sounds weird with that much, u sure ur not simming aoe talents on single target

or something

[lament warren]

i sim 74k a at 411

i’ve seen ppl 84k same

[next edge]

That's not because stats

stats doesnt make a 10 kdps diff

no way

[lament warren]

puzzle box etc

i mean he’s not posting the sim

[lament warren]

post sim

it is probably just talents though

[rare moon]

ok

sent you a dm

[dense crow]

Are you running kingsbane?

ín the sim,

[rare moon]

n

no

[dense crow]

Send it to me aswell

id like to see

[rare moon]

kk

[dense crow]

Are you simming ST?

patchwerk?

Cause IC is not the way to go then

[rare moon]

mm for the sims sake ill swap to st

[lament warren]

you are full in on versatility my friend

[tender dock]

Hi, what is the "general" build for Raid? Couldnt tell properly from FAQ

[rare moon]

yeah, trying to switch from outlaw

just curious whether thats where all the dmg comes from

[lament warren]

sin dslice is also just lower

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rare moon]

ok and im just running the second M+ build

on the list

[lament warren]

sin dslice tops out almost 20k below the other 2 specs

[chrome elk]

honestly stick to outlaw for aoe 💀

[slow viper]

when you dont have IC up

is getting the 3 garrotes out worth wasting the 3 combo points?

or do you 2 garrotes and rupture

in m+

[lament warren]

yes

[rare moon]

in the guide

well the fAQ

it says this "Double Capstone Mythic+:
It might seem odd at first glance, but there's some very good reasons why we take both Kingsbane as well as Indiscriminate Carnage. IC on its own is great AoE, but going that route requires a heavy sacrifice in terms of Boss Damage and Priority Target Damage. We can get around this by using the pathing from FD to go into BS and Zold. Zoldyck is already a powerful talent in mythic+, but using this pathing we can also pick up Kingsbane on top. This solves our Single Target issues by giving us both Blindside and Kingsbane without Sacrificing any of the AoE from Carnage."

but then i can't see which build it refers to

[dense crow]

i dont think Kingsbane is the way rn no?

[chrome elk]

kingsbane isnt below zoldyck anymore

[dense crow]

Not updated

[rare moon]

ah

can someone link the goto M+ build?

[dense crow]

U go Dtb and ic now

The lowest one

[next edge]

KB is deadge

as fook

[dense crow]

on the suggsted talents in faq

[rare moon]

ok cool

yeah thats the one i got

[dense crow]

ye

[fickle herald]

So whatsup with Broodkeeper healing absorb, was not getting it today with unbreakable stride specced.

Does it not apply if you dont go under 100% movespeed or what?

[dense crow]

Shouldnt care, healer job 😉

[lament warren]

@rare moon https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oHsAV6UNxsBbLRyKCJHjmb

[lament warren]

icy shroud is a root

p sure

[fickle herald]

thats the p2 one

[lament warren]

you can like disengage it too

[fickle herald]

p1 one just doesnt apply to you

with unbreakable specced

[lament warren]

interesting

[lucid mirage]

On Raz should I go M+ or full ST if im only going SIN for p3

[woeful meteor]

Full ST

[lucid mirage]

And then just fan+spread rapture on adds phases i presume

[lament warren]

no just funnel

fan then funnel

but i think playing sin on ras is griefing

[lucid mirage]

Me too, but Raid leader wants Sin for p3 boss damage since group lacks it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lament warren]

yeah just go st build

is it mythic?

[lucid mirage]

No heroic. Just always play outlaw on raz so wasnt sure if it was worth bring AOE for platform

[lament warren]

then just play dtb

kingsbane is not worth it in heroic and i honestly don’t even think it’s worth it on mythic

[rare moon]

what did you do?

[balmy condor]

looks like they simmed a pair of legs and re-gemmed and enchanted

[rare moon]

damn that made a huge difference

[balmy condor]

it adds up

[rare moon]

so the yellow bits are the changes i guess

[balmy condor]

yeah

it highlights all the changes

[rare moon]

ill give it a go thanks!

[nocturne current]

I checked on old logs and so far we did..

Eggnog like 5 or 6
Primal 22
Terros 21
Sennarth 28

And we brought kurog now to 56% in 16

[lament warren]

i have no idea what i did

because your original sim was 66k

and then i simmed and it started at 76k

[rare moon]

hmmm

[lament warren]

the only difference is that i chose nightly

also you may have dropped 4pc

[balmy condor]

[rare moon]

nah i kept 4 piece

but either way

[lament warren]

yeah no i have no fucking clue man

gl

[rare moon]

it looks better

😄

[lament warren]

enjoy the gains

[rare moon]

hahaha

ill let you know how i get on

[oblique jackal]

Does anyone have a council build they want to link or send me

[oak sky]

imagine not hitting 100 on dathea

[nocturne current]

Is there a way to check like that?

[balmy condor]

wowhead raid tips page

[oblique jackal]

❤️

[balmy condor]

progress tab from your guild

on warcraftlogs

[rare moon]

when do i use the exsang in m+

with the dtb build

[nocturne current]

Ah ok, but some of those are from multiple weeks no?

Or is that until kill?

[balmy condor]

that's until kill

[balmy condor]

you walk into the yard, and you find the biggest, baddest mfer in the squad, and you bleed him up, exsang, deathmark

[nocturne current]

Ah, thanks!

[balmy condor]

can you guess where we started 5 healing kurog

[lament warren]

pull 60

54

[balmy condor]

nah not that extreme

was 54

[main vessel]

[lament warren]

i’m so good

[balmy condor]

or 53

the first purple

whatever that one is

[balmy condor]

70 sennarth pulls

[main vessel]

I wasn't in for any of them

[balmy condor]

must be nice

[nocturne current]

We only raid 2 nights a week tho

[balmy condor]

yah we raid 3

but it hasn't been a good tier for us

[main vessel]

3 nights here

[balmy condor]

we've been struggling with off-tanks

[main vessel]

just bumped up to 3 starting this tier

[balmy condor]

and we had some strat issues

[main vessel]

like having issues keeping tanks?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[main vessel]

or tanks being bad?

[nocturne current]

We could have killed Sennarth even earlier I think but we didnt had a portal for the first 10-13 pulls and one of the shammans just decided to reroll warlock

[main vessel]

ah

[balmy condor]

we had a new tank recruit

and we got to terros

and he ate shit

[main vessel]

👀

[balmy condor]

and we thought it was just a bad fight

so we got the sennarth

and he ate shit

[main vessel]

what were they playing

[balmy condor]

warrior

[main vessel]

[balmy condor]

and then we got to kurog and he had an assigned rally

[nocturne current]

How'd you guys died so much in Spider tho? People dying in stairs?

[lament warren]

i got you whispyr

[balmy condor]

and he hit it when he was supposed to once in 27 pulls

[lament warren]

i’m on the way

[balmy condor]

yeah

[next edge]

poeople diying on everything

[indigo epoch]

M+, how do yall pace your CD's so you have em up for boss, but maximize how often you use them?

i hold them too much 😦

[balmy condor]

use them more then

[main vessel]

easiest way tbh

[balmy condor]

just send it on a random pack

[main vessel]

send them on CD

until you learn when not to send them

[balmy condor]

I hold too much as well

[indigo epoch]

but then they arent up for bosses?

[main vessel]

yeah

so you learn when not to send them on cd

[balmy condor]

you learn how long you have until a boss

[rare moon]

Ty

[indigo epoch]

i see. thanks all

[balmy condor]

tis as the kids would say

[main vessel]

think of it as a form of limit testing

[balmy condor]

an issue of skill

[indigo epoch]

indeed.

[main vessel]

you can't learn how to do it right until you know how you're doing it wrong

[nocturne current]

Jeez, I can't imagine with 4 lol, mess already with 5

[indigo epoch]

funny, i found the problem through wow analyzer, you're the feller workin on that yeah?

[main vessel]

ye 🙂

[indigo epoch]

thanks 🙂

appreciate the work you and whispyr do. good stuff

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/bb5fc4fdddaf70bca5cdbb81a51a485d.png

[lament warren]

i need to become a healer and 4heal kurog

[next edge]

I have to say

we had 4 new people middle Sennarath prog

[lament warren]

bring back the days where you could solo heal

[next edge]

but... yeah

[lament warren]

bring back solo heal argus

[balmy condor]

are you a swell feller or a feet smeller

[inner temple]

smart fella or a fart smeller?

[nocturne current]

Yeah that's basically almost fresh start from 0 again almost

[main vessel]

I started to type something but deleted it cause it got weird

[balmy condor]

[lament warren]

i have over 100 pulls on spider

anyone else

[balmy condor]

welcome to assassination

[main vessel]

haven't logged into a rogue in 5 years

is this how it starts

[lament warren]

if you like dh how it is rn

then no, probably not

[main vessel]

I'm the other flavor of DH even

VDH main

[lament warren]

definitely not

[balmy condor]

well I'll tell you, it starts with one thing, I don't know why, it doesn't even matter how hard you try

[lament warren]

no souls to absorb

[main vessel]

[lament warren]

one heal?

[lament warren]

only person i’ve seen beat me

[main vessel]

[lament warren]

i’ve fought spider with 3 different guilds lol

[balmy condor]

I'm talking away your toaster and putting those little plastic child safety covers on all your electical sockets

[inner temple]

please dont 😦

[balmy condor]

no toaster baths or fork sockets here

no sir

[inner temple]

i hate spider so much, im playing warframe again 😦

[balmy condor]

kinda respectable

[inner temple]

go back to the game where you murder everything with a glance to feel better about myself XD

[nocturne current]

But it looks like you guys got it pretty much sorted it out, it's just a matter of a clean pull now

[inner temple]

its been a matter of a clean pull for about 60 pulls lol

but no we're hitting P2 higherthan we want and then gassing out on chilling blasts, generally because of stupid deaths

[solid mica]

Step bugged out one pull an RL wouldnt let me cheese pull anymore

[normal mist]

finally doing okaysh dmg! (AA 17)

[deep bison]

u think assa is better than outlaw in aoe guys ?

[formal cliff]

no

[balmy condor]

outlaw is better

[fringe field]

I'm trying to decide if it's even worth switching to an AoE build as Mutt Rogue, I just wanna sit in my Single Target build forever

[balmy condor]

you probably should if you want to do aoe

[fringe field]

It just feels kind of bad in some Mythic+, I'm going to anyways. I'm just real sad that AP isn't that great.

[dire trout]

I've just started playing assassination to help out a guildie with it. Been only running the AP build, though the shiv aoe doesn't feel that impactful

[formal cliff]

don't

[dire trout]

Don't play assassination, don't help my guildie, or don't run AP? lol

[fringe field]

DTB is king

[formal cliff]

don't run ap

lol

[dire trout]

Yeah I kinda figured that. sad it isn't very good

[fringe field]

AP is just incredibly lack luster.

[balmy condor]

only running the AP build

[formal cliff]

it's a 10% loss in single target

not worth the gains in aoe

[dire trout]

I literally hit 70 this week guys cmon

[fringe field]

Me too, I was really excited at the announcement because it seemed like a cool passive that was already baked into the rotation

I want them to just replace the Exsang talent with it

[dire trout]

Exsang seems pretty trash ngl

[fringe field]

Or have them swap places completely

[formal cliff]

let blizzard cook

Next patch AP 8 target 100%

[fringe field]

It is! Precisely 🙂 But at least then I could reason with myself to take AP lol

Exsang not lining up with any of the other CD's is the actual Nail in the coffin for me

[dire trout]

But yeah, I'll try some keys with DTB build, since that's what the guildie was running previously, albeit with the wrong talents

[formal cliff]

You can play without it and lose like 2% dps idk

[dire trout]

I mean it DOES do numbers, just feels bad you know?

[formal cliff]

yeah

[fringe field]

Just run the DTB-IC combo (if you're 70)

[formal cliff]

but you can just get rid of it if it's too annoying

[dire trout]

yeah I have the loadout saved already, just haven't done a key in it cause I'm at that awkward stage where all the available keys to run other than my own are 3-4 levels above what my rogue has timed, and my main wasn't linked until today

Tank main if that wasn't obvious. DPS queue is oof

Does FoK poison chance get improved by envenom or nah?

didn't see it in the faq

[fringe field]

You don't like waiting for 2 hours because people are picky and dumb?

FoK?

[dire trout]

Fan of Knives

[fringe field]

Fan of Knives?

Ah yea it does

Envenom is just all Poison Application

[dire trout]

Okay, I wasn't sure cause it says "at the normal rate" in the tooltip

[formal cliff]

you get used to it in no time lmao

[dire trout]

Is this why all the DPS mains in guild have their professions so high? Waiting forever in queue if I'm not on? lol

[formal cliff]

boot up some stream/movie watherver and wait

[formal cliff]

quite basically

not having a dedicated group to run keys is such a pain tbh

[dire trout]

Yeah, you always want that like cozy group of friends that also coincidentally try in higher keys

very few people like that

[fringe field]

Luckily I got the full 5 man for that

[dire trout]

Assassination is pretty fun to play though guys. I enjoyed tooling around with it in SL, and am parsing blue on keylevel so I guess I'm pushing buttons somewhat in the right order, lol

I do dump exsang as fast as possible, though. Just get dots up and use on CD

[fringe field]

Lowkey, I would just dump it off your Talent Tree lmao, but that's a personal preference

[dire trout]

I'm running whatever my guildie's running and I'm a terrible liar so I can't be like

"trust me I know how to play this class I R Master of class I've Only Started Playing"

so I just reference wowhead so we can blame Whispyr for telling us to run exsang, lol

(thank you for your guide whispyr, it's great)

Oh hey, is there a section in here that shows "this is what you should look for on sin rogue parses to see what they're doing wrong"?

[runic hinge]

Finished the mage tower today bois. 42 attempts

[dire trout]

well done!

[fringe field]

Try Wowanalyzer, it helps a bit with at least letting you know any major wrongdoings

[dire trout]

yeah it's weird cause analyzer's only complaint for my guildie is that he's envenoming when rupture is almost up, but I can't believe that's the only issue if he's grey parsing

My assumption is lag time, but I'll need to get some pulls in on bosses to confirm

[fringe field]

Grey parsing in Mythic or Raid?

[dire trout]

normal and heroic raid

[fringe field]

Do you have his WoWAnalyze profile

[indigo epoch]

So if wowanalyzer says "Clipped existing snapshotted Crimson Tempest" what does that really mean? Isnt CT our dump when greater than 6 adds? Of course its gonna clip? What am i missing.

[fringe field]

How many combo points is he wasting?

[dire trout]

ah yeah you're right, it's CP waste

I didn't check all the boxes

[fringe field]

Those Red casts usually mean he's Envenoming below 5 CP

[dire trout]

it's above 5 CP

[indigo epoch]

Or there isnt a rupture on the target

[dire trout]

only one doesn't have rupture, the majority of the rest are >=5CP

[fringe field]

89% rupture uptime, he is probably rupturing just fine, I have a feeling he is Envenoming at 4 or lower

[dire trout]

oh wait the text is reversed, I see

I thoguht it was saying he was overcapping

Turns out if I actually read things I might learn something, lol

[fringe field]

lol

[dire trout]

Okay, so that's a good bread n' butter change to give for him

Other stuff like improving his opener I'll do later

[fringe field]

Tell him to mash his buttons a lil less, I have a feeling he is trying to hit anima charge combo points and is hitting other buttons right before his Envenom resulting in low or messed up Envenom spenders

[dire trout]

Thanks @fringe field . I appreciate it!

[fringe field]

I'm by no means the best, but it should look more like this

Btw speaking of which, are there any good addons for pandemic timers

[balmy condor]

usually just tracked by weakauras and a nameplate addon like plater

[fringe field]

Using ElvUI so it disabled my plater, will probably try to reverse that then, ty

[lament warren]

you don’t want dynamic pandemic trackers

it’s better to just memorize them

a tracker like that hides information

[fringe field]

In what way? I just wanted to know the most opportune time to refresh for max duration, I can't for the life of me remember at the top of my head when they were for Garr and Rupt

[indigo pollen]

sometimes better for go for er envenom and then refresh garrote exactly at optimum pandemic imo

[balmy condor]

why wouldn't you want dynamic pandemic trackers

[indigo pollen]

than*

[balmy condor]

wtf is an optimum pandemic

hellllllllloooooooooooooo

what is this chat

[normal mist]

Africa

[indigo pollen]

thats kinda what I'm saying, like just keep track of it

[strange python]

Oxi drinks

Stinks

[indigo pollen]

instead of green light go

[fringe field]

Green light go sounds like the most optimum way tho..

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

all of these have pandemic tracking

[ebon notch]

Has life been better or worse since wow analyser whisp

[fringe field]

ty Whisp

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

this is my plater

[balmy condor]

way better

[ebon notch]

Nice

[fringe field]

^ Did not realize how much Energy & Combo point I was wasting until Analyzer

[turbid heath]

!whispyr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[open venture]

is Ass supposed to be simming like 15% dmg higher than outlaw on ST?

[shut owl]

are you asking on a personal sim level or on fuu's spreadsheet? Because personal sim differences between specs aren't going to be too surprising when the specs in question don't share the same stat prio

[open venture]

my gear is also mostly crit/versa

@shut owl I guess both, since I just found a 9k dps difference to be quite huge on myself

[fringe field]

I think Outlaw wants more Vers, and Assassination doesn't care much for it at all

[shut owl]

are your weapons the same ilvl?

cuz like... there is a sizeable difference between sin ST and outlaw ST on fuu's sims

[open venture]

yeah outlaw has 418 main hand and offhand but ass has 418 main and 402 offhand, 3,5k mastery, 3,3k vers

where can I see fuu sims?

[shut owl]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[open venture]

ah okay I guess it fits, still weird since I assume this is using bis gear and both outlaw and ass and the difference is almost the same

[balmy condor]

plenty of reasons why that could be

it's just gear differences

[open venture]

true dat, I ain't no math person, was just surprised is all. @balmy condor

[carmine dawn]

am i holding shiv for DM/Vanish

[gusty mirage]

to answer your question "kind of"

[carmine dawn]

12 second rule?

[gusty mirage]

but typically no

essentially you want a charge of shiv for deathmark

if it won't be up during deathmark

hold it

[carmine dawn]

so single shiv means save it

gotcha

[gusty mirage]

sometimes

most of the time in practice you just slam it on CD

I'm excited to see you crank as assassination

[oak sky]

jake

[carmine dawn]

how do you know itll be up

[oak sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/980704687890264105.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[carmine dawn]

or wont be up

[oak sky]

timer

[kind talon]

jake

[carmine dawn]

wat

[oak sky]

full duration shiv would be 7s into deathmark

so 25-7

[kind talon]

you hold shiv for IC

[oak sky]

18s on shiv cd before

[kind talon]

with arterial precision

its really good talent

[gusty mirage]

yea and it doesn't matter if its right at the start of DM or in the middle, as long as all of shiv is inside DM you're gucci

[carmine dawn]

assa in aoe

[kind talon]

yeah you play that shit

arterial precision

[carmine dawn]

wait no

[kind talon]

for council

[gusty mirage]

yeah on council

[carmine dawn]

not for rasz?

[kind talon]

and you pump

[gusty mirage]

to do less damage than outlaw still

[oak sky]

for raz your probably just go dtb single target build

[carmine dawn]

yeah as i thought

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you're playing assassination on raz

you're boss damage

same as brood/dathea/kurog

[carmine dawn]

and main add dmg im guessing there are those guys still

[kind talon]

outlaw enjoyers on rasz

[gusty mirage]

anything else is a whole lot of not your problem

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

surely sub

[kind talon]

foreverguy

[carmine dawn]

im just not zoomer enough to play outlaw on rasz

[kind talon]

killed as outlaw

i can too

[gusty mirage]

all 3 are very good on raz

[carmine dawn]

also idk im doing like top5ish but we're only at p1

like why prog for a week as outlaw only to be told we need p3 dmg swap to assa

[oak sky]

"this was a very good group"- guy who died 3 times on trash

[carmine dawn]

just do it now yano

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

had a guy message me the other day "thx for the carry"

yeah no problem buddy

thanks for almost inting the key

[oak sky]

because your intermissions will be easier with outlaw

[kind talon]

we need p3 damage swap to arms

[oak sky]

well its different this guy did brick the key

[gusty mirage]

you need any damage

swap to arms

[wary ice]

i tried

[carmine dawn]

our fury cannot play arms

[kind talon]

shadow priest

[gusty mirage]

wdym you're a better gamer than me

[kind talon]

☑️

[carmine dawn]

(trial)

[gusty mirage]

spriest gets a shit ton of free cleave

for existing

must be nice

[kind talon]

spriest is

the best dps spec

in the game

its so fucking disgusting right now

[gusty mirage]

peep my dathea parse

[gusty mirage]

no its not

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

arms is infinitely stronger

sorry

[kind talon]

huh

[gusty mirage]

a good arms player > a good spriest player

[wary ice]

arms owns

[kind talon]

[carmine dawn]

dekai is so toxic tbh bro can we talk about how im regearing for assa and this mf is just like "play outlaw ecks dee chad emoji"

[gusty mirage]

arms is insanely good

[shut owl]

Arms: its in the name

[gusty mirage]

and they're infinitely tanky

because they press ignore pain for dps

[kind talon]

arms is good but they are limited by talent tree

[gusty mirage]

what a time to be alive

[kind talon]

cant do aoe and st

[shut owl]

the fact that they have ignore pain is INSANE.

[worn panther]

[kind talon]

but yeah

[gusty mirage]

imagine feint being a dps cd for rogue

[kind talon]

they are nutty tanky and do insane dps

[gusty mirage]

for a second

[wary ice]

my mans living in 2023 (earlier than last week)

[gusty mirage]

just ponder that reality

but yeah spriest is stupidly broken rn as well

[shut owl]

defensive CD contributing to your CDR and therefore your dps? my god

[gusty mirage]

its ST not quite as good as arms

but I mean

everything they cast cleaves

apparently

[oak sky]

imagine youre blizzard and you just decide to give arms a tank filler ability

[gusty mirage]

even mindgames

[weak crescent]

Do i refresh garrote/rapture after exsang as late as possible ?

[shut owl]

to be fair, arms deserved the wild rework after its DF arrival being so niche

[carmine dawn]

@gusty mirage i thinkim gonna slam shiv tbh just so its easier to manage

[gusty mirage]

you let the exsang'd bleeds run out before reapplying

[carmine dawn]

not a huge loss right

[gusty mirage]

[weak crescent]

thanks!

[gusty mirage]

[carmine dawn]

120 on dummy seems fun

ah fuck so if dm is 2m and sang is 3m

am i holding dm on platform 1?

for shield 1

@ebon notch

[oak sky]

dont think you need to hold dm

pretty sure timings work out

[carmine dawn]

do those big guys stay alive long enough for a good DM

[oak sky]

doesnt matter

gotta do it

also theres always testing

[ebon notch]

you dm twice in p1

[oak sky]

just see if it comes up by shield

[ebon notch]

you do not press in p1 intermission

[oak sky]

nvm

daps wins

[ebon notch]

you have it up with exsang for first shield

:3

[carmine dawn]

so platform is just no cooldown andy

[ebon notch]

yes

you are not there to do aoe damage

[carmine dawn]

sick

[ebon notch]

that is the downside

[carmine dawn]

yeah i liked that part as outlaw in aotc

!vibe big blasting

[ebon notch]

if you want my vod lmk

you can check cd timings and shit

[carmine dawn]

oh yeah i guess thatd just be easier than reading wcl

can dm me thanks

[kind talon]

spec channel

L bozo

[carmine dawn]

yes thats the joke nerd

[kind talon]

[carmine dawn]

are you guys on diruna next week

agreon said hes benched

[kind talon]

thats fake newws

agreon spreading misinformation like

my doordasher looked like he was 14

wtf

[carmine dawn]

is there an age limit to that shit

[kind talon]

u have to drive

mfer was too young to drive

[carmine dawn]

[kind talon]

[strong badger]

does raidbots simulations assume you're always at 100% hp? I'm simulating the differences between weapon embellishments (i.e that you get a mastery buff above 90% hp)

[balmy condor]

yes

there's a section in top gear to change the uptime of that embellishment

(it's not good)

[strong badger]

haha alright, thank you for the quick and helpful response!

[clear trail]

whats the best assassination build to run on raz

[balmy condor]

single target

replace exsang with ip 2/2

[velvet robin]

What trinket are we running in M+? ive got a bit of a selection and i'm liking Boon but when I look up other rogues I dont see it much

[clear trail]

ive been running puzzle box and windscar puzzle can do a lot with a big pull on the bleeds on multple targets

[carmine dawn]

daps saying exsang better for shield amp

[balmy condor]

correct

[carmine dawn]

so why not use it

[balmy condor]

boon + whetstone real good

[velvet robin]

Yeah at the moment i'm running PB and Boon

[balmy condor]

cause you get 3 casts of exsang in 13 minutes

[carmine dawn]

so you think its more overall boss dmg

[velvet robin]

Thanks i'll test that next!

[balmy condor]

by a fair bit, yes

[carmine dawn]

are there logs? wouldnt exsang buff during shield be insane

[balmy condor]

exsang ain't that impressive

you only have it for first shield

it's not like exsang doubles your damage to the shield

and everyone holds cds for it anyway

[carmine dawn]

hm

i hate exsang anyway maybe ill try it

[balmy condor]

you can look at any public logs you'd like

[carmine dawn]

not like we're gettting to shield1 anyway

[balmy condor]

I've had this conversation with about a dozen rogues at this point

from rwf to kills from last week

3 min timer is just giga shit for rasz

is what it is

[carmine dawn]

no i agree ive just been talking with daps about this all week getting ready

[balmy condor]

ye

[carmine dawn]

i didnt know who else to talk to

[balmy condor]

exsang gives you better burst

ip gives you better sustain

[teal bloom]

Exsang gives me sadness

[carmine dawn]

the opener is so much less complicated too

do you macro potion to DM

[teal bloom]

Yeah

[indigo epoch]

on M+ build if i skip exang where does the extra point go?

[shut owl]

MA so you can reach iron wire

[indigo epoch]

MA to keep Iw?

ah ok yeah

thanks

[shut owl]

I want to believe MA is helping my overall in these wild bolstering keys

for once no tank wants to chain-pull sloppily

[indigo epoch]

lol

[shut owl]

getting stealth opening 100% of pulls feels so good lol.

only had one bricking griefer tank so far

dude was 180 spinning 2nd boss in AV... cleaved everyone one by one to death. "shit rogue keeps dying to avoidable mechanics, lrn2 vanish"

bizarre interaction

[indigo epoch]

[carmine dawn]

did you hear about the /reload

[balmy condor]

of course

[carmine dawn]

lmao

hilarious.

[merry arrow]

Anyone know why puzzle box pulls me out of stealth in assass spec but not outlaw, is there some talent I'm not paying attention too?

tested multiple times, outlaw doesnt, assass does.

[gray hazel]

do you have subterfuge on one and not the other?

[merry arrow]

yes, but subterfuge just allows the use of stealth abilities, you dont come out of stealth at all in outlaw

[gray hazel]

From my experience, it kept me in stealth

put subterfuge on sin and get back to me

[merry arrow]

with subterfuge it doesn't

interesting, thanks

[gray hazel]

no prob

[dire trout]

Okay, credit to everyone who told me to switch away from AP and go DTB for this week. Parsed higher without trying and with wonky groups

[indigo epoch]

nice

[balmy condor]

AP bad

[brazen zodiac]

who knew!

hi whisp

[balmy condor]

hi XxXbuttmuncher7917XxX

[wind condor]

That was a nice parse on kurog Whispyr, gonna rock that build for our kill Tuesday

[dire trout]

I mean, it was new so I figured try it out

[balmy condor]

ty!

now if only I can fix my eranog parse

absolute fucking stain on my logs

[indigo epoch]

oh, yeah, just terrible m8

[balmy condor]

purple and orange don't go together

[wind condor]

Imagine not being 100% a sin rogue smh

[balmy condor]

gosh

you know nothing about fashion

halloween colors are actually clashing

that's why you gotta go orange and black

cause black is a neutral color

there ya go

learned something new today didn't you

[gusty mirage]

show off

got you beat tho

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

cause you didn't need 70 fucking pulls on terros

and then 70 pulls on sennarth

and then 70 pulls on kurog

[gusty mirage]

pulled kurog 72 times

spooder 55

terros 36 tho

[balmy condor]

bro it hurts

we're playing so bad this tier

I was in the top 3 for like 75% of our kurog prog

as sin

[gusty mirage]

we killed dathea in 76 pulls

[strange python]

Dathea will be fun then

[gusty mirage]

KEK

[balmy condor]

I want to die

[gusty mirage]

[wind condor]

Do you keep CT up 100% in just the kurog+single add phases?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

idk I didn't play CT

[balmy condor]

you maintain legitimately everything

[gusty mirage]

I was told unga bunga boss

[balmy condor]

maintain rupture and gar on both, ct on both, maintain envenom

[wind condor]

I got pressed into playing outlaw for that fight, and I’m just dogshit at it, I also sim almost 7k higher as st sin vs st outlaw for whatever reason

[balmy condor]

sin on kurog is straight up "is there something grey on your weakauras? make it not grey"

[strange python]

Outlaw st is worse.

[gusty mirage]

well because sin does more ST damage

[wind condor]

I honestly think I’d overall higher as sin on kurog than I do as outlaw

We’ll see how it goes

[gusty mirage]

honestly I don't actually think you are

tbh mostly the kurog stuff was kinda sus

everything else was fine

[balmy condor]

for a psuedo 4 day guild?

I think it's pretty bad

[brazen zodiac]

excuse me thats xxnowhealingurmom6969xxx

now offering tailoring services 📣

[balmy condor]

she needs the healing after 4 failed marriages man thanks for looking out

[brazen zodiac]

oh dear

i dont know if my illvl is high enough..

[balmy condor]

she got married a fifth time, bought a boat and moved onto a lake

seems to be doing okay now

[indigo epoch]

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

funny enough

i know three older women who've done this now

maybe there's something about boats i dont know hm

[balmy condor]

LETS GOOOOOO

[inner temple]

im so relieved lol

[dreamy gull]

whats like, the primary way to get gear

im ilvl 345 atm and i get like improvments by 1 or 2 levels at most

[kind talon]

do your timewalking weekly

raid finder

and then m+

then you can pug raids

and doing the spark quests and crafting gear is massive

m+ and heroic-mythic raids drops items that u can upgrade crafted gear with

[magic vine]

storm gear gets up to 385

[gray hazel]

Do we still use CT on one target still?

[magic vine]

if you do a week or two worth of pvp quests when they're ez like the battlegrounds ones you can get some pvp jewelry that is servicable for little time/effort

just heroics is uh, 359 gear and you can do that via the dungeon finder, and hitting up the weekly events (world boss, obsidian citidel attack, cooking pot, new future storm assault thing) can net upgrades

[dreamy gull]

how much harder are heroics

[magic vine]

some jewelry/trinkets out of the new storm event vendor iirc

heroics are dirt easy, if you can queue for them you're fine

same with lfr

so the big things you could do would be craft a mh dagger with one of your sparks, hit up the weeklies and some heroics, maybe try the storms. when doing storms you can sometimes find groups, but i'd just kill stuff (following the mob of people if there is one) until you get the quest drop

[north frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

not with DTB

[autumn frost]

Help I can't read!

[gray hazel]

Thanks! Was trying the AP build for for week.

[dreamy gull]

i miss kingsbane

i liked my blindside procs and stuff

[barren hare]

what energy should i be at to use envenom?

[balmy condor]

how much does envenom cost

[barren hare]

32

[balmy condor]

32 then

[barren hare]

should i pool energy before using

o just w/e

[balmy condor]

pooling is basically dead

[barren hare]

kk

ty

[spice spire]

That’s a good summary

[balmy condor]

I didn't read any of it

but looks good

I agree

[spice spire]

Someone asked a question and you answered

Was it in the wrong space? Sure but it was asked here. Wasn’t being egregious with it

Was useful info

[sudden canyon]

man everytime i have to visit another class discord im reminded by how active and nice ours is lol.

[prisma cypress]

that's a pretty low bar, lol

most people here are cool though

[sudden canyon]

i mean yall are okay but the shadowblades carry.

[prisma cypress]

they can be a bit up their own ass from time to time but it's cool they're here to help out

and the faqs and stuff are well done

some other discords are just a mess

everything is either half-baked or out of date

for the longest time the mage discord didn't even give each spec its own channel

everything was just lumped together lol

[oak sky]

wdym the only asses shadowblades are in are each others

its like a restaurant

everyone fucking everyone

[strange python]

You eventually learn to block the 4-5 useless shit posters. And learn when the oranges are in a mood. Otherwise it's easily the best class disc.

[misty carbon]

Up their asses? Try the Monk discord. Holy mothballs. They are so far up their asses, they havent seen sunlight since MoP.

[strange python]

Last time all three of their specs was viable

XD

[lament warren]

you have me blocked?

[strange python]

Lol

I think it's just koffing, lambda, and that guy who argued with whispyr for an hour the other day

[oak sky]

blocking shiennar 😐

[hollow helm]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fair stag]

guys are we supposed to delay 2nd ExSang till 3rd Deathmark?

[royal lantern]

i remember that "good time"

somone asks a questions about arcane and 30people answer with "arcane sucks, play fire you idiot xd"

[grim jay]

Good old times

We were more aggressively toxic in here back then aswell

[junior aurora]

bfa was great for mage discord with that

a single dude that knew how to play arcane answering the one arcane question a day with 5000 fire questions being asked and like 3 or 4 frost questions in the general chat lol

[distant mesa]

legit BiS Charge combo point skin

[junior aurora]

i like that you track the incarnate icon

big

[balmy condor]

it's just normal cp but with a very thin green border

[distant mesa]

naw

is this no cps

[balmy condor]

oh

it's just normal cp but with a very thin green border

[grim jay]

And doesnt look pleasing

[distant mesa]

it just has to work

[balmy condor]

okay

but what makes it the best

it looks like the other 35000 wa's that track it

[distant mesa]

because all the other skins were causing it to overlay over the actual CP bar

[polar gull]

i see you've gone away from atrocity WA's then? and just took that border from naowh?

[distant mesa]

no I made my own

[grim jay]

Whats the issue with that

[distant mesa]

it looked clunky and I didn't like not being able to see if I had 2-4 cps'

[balmy condor]

I'm glad you=

are happy

[distant mesa]

.< sorry, thought it was pretty neat that you could see it, I can't find a 1x pixel skin for just a simple line at the bottom

[grim jay]

Dunno, not having any issues with that using afenars

[polar gull]

i've tried leaving the atrocity ui behind like 5 times this xpac and just find myself running right back

[distant mesa]

its nice, don't get me wrong. but I'd rather not play with elvui anymore

[grim jay]

Based

[rare moon]

how are you still awake 🤣

[balmy condor]

it's 15 past midnight

[royal lantern]

whisp doesnt sleep

[balmy condor]

wdym

it's not even late

[royal lantern]

he works on depression, coffe, and sims

[grim jay]

And love

Thats what we spread here

[rare moon]

thought you were east coast

i went to bed and got up again and seeing you still replying I was like huhhh

[balmy condor]

I mean even then

[royal lantern]

i thought it was STD?

[balmy condor]

it would be 3am

I don't usually sleep before 4-5

[rare moon]

mybe im just a grandad

[grim jay]

STD and "asking on discord"-PTSD are just a sidebusiness

[waxen pulsar]

What is the wa package? Looks neat

[vestal wren]

i prefere to have the combo point and background also colored

i find this one takes more focus to read

[distant mesa]

Custom made by me except the garrote/Rupture aura

[waxen pulsar]

Ohhh I thought it's one from wago

Looking for wa for assa really. Swapping from Outlaw

[distant mesa]

I have Assa/Outlaw most built, took just a couple from AUI, but built the rest myself

[waxen pulsar]

The dtf build is also integrated in it? ( I see you are tracking multiple garrote / rupture ability )

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[distant mesa]

It's got both, top bar is static, bottom is talent based. Doesn't have a poison tracker yet for when they are down tho

Is there a way to "fade in" the charged CP's?

[distant mesa]

I wanted a similar appearance to AUI's rogue auras, but with different functionality. The top bars "?" aura's aren't "?" when they proc

O.o you can fade them....

ok. i'm sorry for that disgusting looking pile of shit above

[lament warren]

you can create conditions

ok well

triggers

so that trinkets that aren’t usable won’t show up in your top bar

[distant mesa]

that was just a basic track the trinket CD trigger from Trigger 1/2

I didn't want to put a lot of custom code into this pack, and a lot of auras that sometimes are/are not there

[lament warren]

fair

[distant mesa]

however...

literally setting that to "is useable"

did this

[lament warren]

yes but if you create another trigger

[lament warren]

set it to

like

ruby whelp shell

and then you change the trigger activation condition to

function(t) do return t[1] and (not t[2]) end

it will show up for active trinkets that aren’t the ruby shell

because why would you need to see a 24h cd

[distant mesa]

you wouldn't

[lament warren]

you could probably

[sick aspen]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[waxen pulsar]

Mind sharing the wago / code?

Well, the group, I mean

[cunning locust]

do you still play KB on rasz?

[shrewd night]

My guess is no, but Seli should have some valuable intel on that

[balmy condor]

it's still better shield damage, but offers no upside aside from that

[cunning locust]

tyvm, seems like i have to play kb (or even sub) then if we struggle at shield phase

[crimson kettle]

where was the info about ruby whelpshell again?

[glass junco]

do we send shiv and ER on cd?

or should we try to fit more Envenoms in shiv?

like, filling up CP and then Shiv

or line up shiv with ER

[lament warren]

you can pool but it barely matters

sending on cd is most important

[ionic sphinx]

those of you that outlaw in keys and assass in raid or pvp, what secondaries did you throw on crafted stuff? just finished leveling my rat alt

[normal mist]

Pvp crafted items have defined statd

And you don't want to pvp with PvE items usually

And for the pve gear i believe they go crit vers

If they do both outlaw and assa

[ionic sphinx]

crit vers is good on outlaw and seems pretty good assass so that's where I was leaning 🙂 thanks!

[normal mist]

Crit mast would be the #1 choice for assa but vers won't be the worst stat ever

[chrome peak]

If I were to only pick one "use" trinket, which one should I go after, grieftorch or box?

[royal lantern]

box

for assa its box