assassination

[dark bridge]

venom rush is like a 1% decrease, you can still take it if you want

[acoustic geyser]

I might if I find I'm getting mad annoyed with energy starvation

[gusty mirage]

if your definition of viable is "I'll still do pretty good damage"

then yes

dropping exsang is viable

if you want to do the most amount of damage possible? It's non-negotiable

[next edge]

Outlaw is SO dead

that it has 30k more HC parses

than sub and sin combined

[gusty mirage]

it's not insanely higher where you'd be crazy to not play it, but it's a big enough gap where you should play it always

[next edge]

but OUTLAW IS DEAD

like EVERYONE is playing sub now

[gusty mirage]

good

better there than here

[main vessel]

let's goooooo

[past bobcat]

This is more or less what I wanted to know. Since last patch not running it was the best it seemed/not far behind having it

[royal lantern]

Outlaw isnt just DEAD

it was KILLED

its a sing how much blizzard HATES OUTLAW(m+ meta for over 6 years at this point)

[next edge]

Only 6k people played it today in mythic

while 3k subs SMASHED the CONTENT

while 6k HEROES had to SUFFER playing a DEAD SPEC, defying blizzard the spec-killer

[royal lantern]

what is more played at this point btw, assa or sub?

[balmy condor]

it hasn't been m+ meta for 6 years, remember that one patch that one expansion with that one thing, where you didn't play outlaw for tyrannical

sub is least played rogue spec still

[royal lantern]

yes, we should go full boomkin/mage and use that as a point why blizzard HATES the spec

[balmy condor]

in m+ it might be closer

[royal lantern]

what, ONLY ARCANE IS A TOP SPEC????????

wtf blizzard HATES mage, i cant combust to top dps for the first time in 7years?????

i need to play another spec?

[proper tapir]

What happened to OL? My guild's OL is going sub in M+ too, they get nerfed?

[next edge]

Both have

exact same numbers

[gloomy knoll]

Has bfa to now really been 6 years

[next edge]

today 3,2k sin and 3,1k subs

on mythic parses

and on HC

its like Sin a bit ahead

but rly close

[gloomy knoll]

Gonna go feel old now

[balmy condor]

yeah it got the smallest of nerfs and all the brainless outlaw mains are acting like hell has risen up and swallowed the earth

[next edge]

Right now

Sin and Sub have same players

on Raid

at least public aprses

[balmy condor]

really?

that's interesting

in heroic?

[next edge]

I just checked today

Mythic was

3,2k sin 3,1k sub

[balmy condor]

oh

mythic is always closer yeah

[royal lantern]

they took a GIGANTIC 1% nerf(and got a bigger buff overall cus the class tree changed aswell) and now they cry that outlaw is DEAD

[balmy condor]

I think in heroic though sin should clearly be ahead

[next edge]

In HC is 32k sin and 25k sub

yeah, it is

[royal lantern]

like, its hilarious

[balmy condor]

yeh okay makes sense

[royal lantern]

outlaw was supposed to get a nerf and got a very minor buff

assa was supposed to get a neutral change and lost 50%of its build options

[wary ether]

the nerf was huge, so huge that i dont notice it while playing anymore

after an entire day

[balmy condor]

but the FLOW

[next edge]

What do you mean?

I die 5% more

as outlaw

[balmy condor]

[next edge]

because I have 5% stamina

wtf

[wary ether]

no i die 35% less because im in killing spree all day

silly you

[next edge]

Flow is staring at boss for3 sec waiting the energy to regain while bleeds pump

[royal lantern]

the HORROR of changing to rotation from PISTOL SHOT FINISHER AMBUSH into PISTOL SHOT AMBUSH FINISHER

THE FLOW

R U I N E D

[balmy condor]

pistol shot doesn't give me 25 cp anymore wtf

[wary ether]

ok ngl tho, ps, dispatch, ps dispatch 200 times in a row was kinda nice

[next edge]

So you're telling me Outlaw got a better version of their BIS legendary

[solid mica]

It was kinda beat tbh

[next edge]

which got 1% nerf

and its DEAD already?

[royal lantern]

can i be honest?

imo when you have stuff like that, its not nice, but more like that there is a fundemental problem with a spec when it litearlly ignores both resources

maybe im a boomer in that regard

[balmy condor]

nah

[solid mica]

What is it that makes sin boiz hate OL so much i always wondered

[balmy condor]

that's why it got changed

[royal lantern]

but no spec should straight up IGNORE resources

[slow marsh]

Na they actually got a buff cuz they dropped a talent to pick up cto + more tier synergy cuz more ambush

[next edge]

Because OL boiz

[royal lantern]

honest or meme answer?

[wary ether]

bruh when i read "can i be honest" i expect some crazy ass hot take, not common sense

[solid mica]

Honest

[slow marsh]

Cuz people are cringe

[wind condor]

Sin is equivalent of relaxing on the beach with a pina colada, calm, enjoyable. Outlaw is like an underground euro rave, also fun but makes you sweaty and not relaxed

[balmy condor]

9000 mph spec that plays like whack a mole, and the community is full of m+ dent-brains

[solid mica]

I mean yeah but those are everywhere

[next edge]

I love Outlaw and people who actually love the spec

but channel is so flowed by andies who cry over the most stpid stuff

[slow marsh]

The dent brain thing is true for sure tho

[next edge]

that makes me hate a wide part of the outlaw comunity

[wary ether]

i think most of the regulars dont even care tbh

but theres so many fotm rerollers

[gloomy knoll]

Sin has weirdos outlaw has dentge and sub has liars

[wind condor]

Over night of our kurog prog me and the other outlaw were at 99.3 and 97.6 cpm, and the next highest was like 80cpm

[balmy condor]

real

[gloomy knoll]

[wind condor]

So zoomer

[spice spire]

Ur all 3

[solid mica]

Lol

[gloomy knoll]

I’m just weird ok

[solid mica]

I fuckin love OL but i play and enjoy all three specs so idk

Ppl are weird for sure especially when theres a ton of fotm'ers chatting

[balmy condor]

assassination: dm me armpits

outlaw: I CANT PLAY MYTHIC+ ANYMORE WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF BLIZZZAAAAAAAARDDDDDD

subtlety: there is no war in ba sing se don't look at us we're under played and under tuned no no don't open logs you don't have to check

[royal lantern]

m+ meta for over 6 years at this point, and it gives the other specs no chance to be great in m+ most of the time cus blizzard doesnt change them for aoe cus "outlaw is strong, just play outlaw"(its the first time since bfa that outlaw is not the best m+ spec cus sub is on the same level lol)

when its good for raids, you feel stupid for playing the other specs cus outlaw with high st is also always a aoe and cleave monster by default cus BF is a shit mechanic

the outlaw community during BfA 8.1 went total shit, all the FotM brains went outlaw and many never left, turning it into a giant m+ circlejerk that will constantly tell you how GOOD OUTLAW PLAYS THE OTHER SPECS ARE BORING OMGGGGG cus they spam sinester strike all the time and want all specs to be 200000APM spamm 1 button

yellow is not a cool color

and DF alpha/beta send that shit into overdrive again

remember restless crew jerk?

remember the first energy nerf? 40 APM SPEC OMG

[next edge]

The day they removed RC

that was a great day

to eat popcorns

and check OL channel

[balmy condor]

restless crew, finally outlaw is viable

[next edge]

Well when Outlaw ogt a 3% aura nerf alongside all other rogue specs

it was mental

[glad osprey]

Outlaw

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean

outlaw gets any nerf at all

[glad osprey]

Who wants to play that shit

[balmy condor]

the screaming begins

[solid mica]

Sub was bis in s2 of SL but i feel ya. I would be happy to play any rogue spec in m+. A shame they give sin one of the coolest m+ talents then balance the tree like someone who just had acid thrown in their face

[royal lantern]

or how a very specific green name straight up said multiple times "i dont want that assa and sub do more ST dmg then outlaw just because outlaw has bladeflury, i dont want to be forced to play other specs when aoe is not needed"

like

FIND THE PROBLEM

🙂

(no flaming him btw, guy is great, but he is a giant 1trick brain and doesnt care at all about anything that is not outlaw)

[strange python]

@gusty mirage

We go Arak

[solid mica]

Id imagine some ppl are just fed up cause it feels bad to get like 7 straight nerfs even if theyre small opposed to like 3 that actually matter

[next edge]

I mean

[balmy condor]

none of this is in english

[next edge]

it doesn't feel bad

if you're straight up the best m+ spec in the game

they were deserved most of them

[strange python]

Gin is English

[next edge]

Which doesn't feel good

[balmy condor]

I feel my eyes crossing trying to read that menu

[next edge]

is Sin giga nerfed several times

because COMMUNITY PERCEPTION

but having other classes on top for years, yeah thats fine

[royal lantern]

^

like, rn the community perception is so bad

[gusty mirage]

was this picture taken by a motorola razr circa 2004?

[gloomy knoll]

[royal lantern]

its OMG ROGUE OP JUST NERF when rogue is not even the top dog anymore AND assa actually starts to struggle quiet a bit slowly

[strange python]

Pixel 7. I'm just an F tier cinematographer

[gusty mirage]

fair enough

[gloomy knoll]

There is no war in ba sing as

[balmy condor]

pixel 7, just as many as the picture

gottem

[gusty mirage]

hit em with a dab

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Just jealous I get some milky arak

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

i thought most people want feet pics from you?

[solid mica]

Community perception is fuckin COOKED. Has been for awhile. Ppl hate if rogue is actually bis dmg wise cause were "unkillable" and all ppl remember is getting ganked jn goldshire 20 years ago.

[fiery venture]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[jolly holly]

i still have PSTD for stv

[keen spruce]

I played rogue in stv

especially at lv 60

[balmy condor]

I'm not old enough to understand what stv is

[strange python]

No I offered him feet pics to get us unnerfed

[balmy condor]

is that stranglethorn vale

[gloomy knoll]

Yea rogues being op drives people mad because getting kidneyd at any point in time is like going through genocide and the plague and super aids all at once

[balmy condor]

jesus

really pulled that one out of my ass

[strange python]

Lowkey I want rogue to lose all of our stuns.

Because then people would stop raging every time we're remotely decent

[gloomy knoll]

It’s why we’re good in keys

Like we would basically fall off a cliff in keys without our utility

[royal lantern]

nah, rogue is good in keys cus outlaw just does stupid aoe dmg lol

utility is the most overrated thing for m+

its all dmg in the end

[gloomy knoll]

That’s sometimes the case

[keen spruce]

I use kidney like 5 times a dungeon rn on outlaw and don't even spec into gougue

[gloomy knoll]

But a lot of the time rogue has been brought or meta even with average damage

[keen spruce]

when shroud was important

[gloomy knoll]

We just have the kit for keys

[keen spruce]

but rogues have definitely not been brought when when they're average in many seasons

[gloomy knoll]

I mean we were meta for the last 6 years and we’re definitely not even close to top Dps for a lot of that

[strange python]

@gusty mirage lamb or chicken

[wind dune]

what build are we doing for council just the arterial one in the faq?

or do i swap some things for spike

[strange python]

I would just check top logs tbh

[wind dune]

yea

good call

[gusty mirage]

lamb, always

[strange python]

Okay we do lamb

[balmy condor]

wowhead has builds per boss

[nocturne current]

Whisp, quick question.

[balmy condor]

quick answer

[nocturne current]

Which one is the worse performance scenario, letting the bleed full tick and drop for 1 second or refreshing 1 second before the pandemic time? (I don't know the damage loss p/ energy wasted ratio) I guess letting it drop has worse impact even if you don't energy cap right?

[balmy condor]

for exanguinated bleeds or what

[nocturne current]

Just the bleed cycle in general

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah letting it drop is worse

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor exang puzzle is up to 1800dps gain... I'll be at the target dummy

https://tenor.com/view/anime-tears-cry-emotional-elcea-de-rux-ima-gif-16851479

[balmy condor]

more earthshattering news at 10

[gusty mirage]

I told you

puzzle box and exsang are unavoidable

they're like herpes, they're with you for life

[keen spruce]

the news isn't that it's better, the news is that i'm giving in

[balmy condor]

we all do eventually

[nocturne current]

Even I switch to Exsang..

[keen spruce]

cuz i know if I don't go do it now, i'm gonna get a 421 box in my vault and i'm gonna have to go practice hte new opener before raid

[dense herald]

I miss the 45s exang days

Shoulda been 20s

[solid mica]

It shoukd be 45 if we have to play it anyway kek

[oak sky]

You shoulda been banned from this server for that

[gloomy knoll]

You’d use it every rupture almost at 20 seconds

Or every other

[balmy condor]

it would be every other, since you would pandemic a 6cp rup to almost 40 seconds

and then exsang it down to 20

and then repeat

[dense herald]

God that sounds smooth

[oak sky]

Might as well just be circle then

[balmy condor]

make exsang a passiev

[oak sky]

It would be better as a passive

For sure

[slow marsh]

I could've told you that

[strange python]

But what about arak

[ebon notch]

If it made bleeds bleed out like 10% faster as a passive

How valuable would that be

[balmy condor]

very

[ebon notch]

Nice

[balmy condor]

idk if 10% is the right number tuning wise obviously

but it's essentially 10% more bleed damage, and extra energy

[ebon notch]

Yeah

Could call it "exsanguinated" or smth

I wonder if making shiv a mini exsang would be awful to play around

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[oak sky]

Like how

If it affected the whole bleed you would do the same refreshing shit as now and it would just be exsang

[clear granite]

Why everyone hates exsang?

[slim drift]

Is there somewhere in details where I can see damage prevented by iron wire debuff

[strange python]

!exsang

Bro the command is done?

Rip

[vapid sierra]

whats your guyses overall in academy?

[balmy condor]

like 100-110 for random pugs

higher if it's a good group or organized

[vapid sierra]

whisp could i get your plater profiel

im having trouble tracking bleeds

[balmy condor]

wago.io/p/whispyr

[vapid sierra]

in aoe its a pain

ty

also how do you know when to start getting your three ruptures/garrotes up in a key?

im finding bleed rules tricky in keys

since its multitarget

[slim drift]

I did 100k with my dagger breaking in the middle of last boss XD

[balmy condor]

with IC you just garrote from stealth, CT, ER->rup

and that's all the bleeds you need

[vapid sierra]

but when they fall off thats when i get confused on what to do

[balmy condor]

after those drop, you start to look towards gar/rup for energy

you keep casting them between CT casts

until you have enough to sustain your energy costs

[vapid sierra]

they generate energy?

do you cast them at 6/7 cp?

[balmy condor]

5/6

[vapid sierra]

ah shit forgot this wasnt outlaw

and how do they give you energy? garrote seems to take a shit load away

i forgot they passively generate energy

and when you say ct casts, isnt ct only used as a finisher and not as a dot at like 6 targets?

[ebon notch]

Like bleeds are exsang'd just for the duration of shiv

[oak sky]

You would have to refresh garrote before and rupture would need more than 18s left

Ig it would depend on the power level how impactful it would be

[ebon notch]

I kinda wish AP did that to the mobs it hit

[oak sky]

With it not doubling bleed speed

[ebon notch]

Make it feel like it did something

[oak sky]

It might actually be ok

Like if it did like

75% duration or something

Every shiv

So you sometimes have to refresh early to make sure you max out ticks

But not always

Dunno

[balmy condor]

if you need energy, you get gar/rup up as a priority first

so you maintain it

[vapid sierra]

i see

so i go off of feeling and resources

[runic hinge]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[balmy condor]

yeh

[vapid sierra]

and im assuming i waste dm/trink in prio targets and hold for boss

[balmy condor]

you can

just gotta play it by ear

[slim drift]

Ideally you wanna send dm on cooldown, but it's hard to have a good target every cooldown

[safe barn]

I know the answer is probably "just sim" but, does anyone know how impactful ilvl is for weps? I was comparing my logs with a guy that had similar ilvl but 2 weps with higher ilvl and I wanted to know if that was a significant factor

[vapid sierra]

tier set/stats/trinks are important also

and enchants and weather you have embel on weapon

so sim for yourself the 2 ilvl difference

[balmy condor]

mainhand is very important, offhand not so much

[thin wyvern]

is there a crit cap?

[balmy condor]

no breakpoints on any stats

[thin wyvern]

so essentially crit my pants got it

[balmy condor]

stats always exist in a balance, and depending on your gear, some of it gets better or worse

it just be like that

full stacking crit is bad

as is full stacking anything

[lament warren]

big seal fate would have you believe that

[swift magnet]

can Venomous Wounds proc if the target is poisoned with an other player's poisons?

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

[swift magnet]

in cleave situations like on p1 of Kurog, or should I say funnel maybe, is it worth to spend 5-6cb on a rupture on the add for energy gain or not?

[woeful meteor]

The Add has to die so def keep your dots up on the add

[vapid sierra]

keep on parcing 60 but wow analyzer isnt telling me im doing anything big wrong

is it just because im geared for outlaw?

[swift magnet]

yes but besides the add damage, in a pure theorical situation resembling P1 Kurog?

[vapid sierra]

only issue im seeing is my shiv usage, but ill tend to hold it for a few seconds so i can go shiv into envenom, it was on cd for 80% of the fight

[woeful meteor]

the energy gain from rupture and gar should still make up for the lost finisher/global

[swift magnet]

alright thx, I was sure for garrote but not certain for rupture

because 84 energy gained does not seems to make up for 6 cbs and 22 energy

does anyone has the math on this?

[gusty mirage]

I mean, it would take 4 ticks for you to get the energy back you spent on that rupture

well 4 + a fraction of a tick

plus our bleeds are hasted

so you end up getting fractional ticks

which also give you 6 energy

[swift magnet]

yes but you also spent energy on combo points for the rupture

[gusty mirage]

yes but you were spending that energy on those combo points regardless

whether it was an envenom into the main target

or rupturing an off target

so you would really compare the spending of those combo points

[swift magnet]

exactly, and as I say please view this from a theorical stand point and forget about the add damage, just the boss damage: does rupturing the add helps you funnel your main target?

so the rupture on the add could be an envenom on the boss

[gusty mirage]

yes, lets say you get really unlucky and only crit 1 hand of the mutilate, you mutilate twice for 6cp. That's 100 energy used, rupture is 25 energy (without tight spenders) and envenom is 35 energy

if you hit a 6cp rupture on an off target, you're spending a total of 125 energy to get that rupture up

that's a 28s rupture, or 14 ticks (ignoring haste causing partial ticks)

so you're looking at 84 energy just from those 14 ticks right?

to envenom otherwise, you're spending 135 energy to do damage to your main target

84 energy over 28s is kinda big when you factor in the natural energy regen

[swift magnet]

yes so not worth it for the funnel damage that was my feeling

[gusty mirage]

yeah, looking at it from strictly for energy it's a nice bonus because you're getting more venomous ticks but it's not an insane amount that giga boosts your prio damage

the no brainer for it, is that rupture is our highest DPET finisher and 2nd highest DPET spell

the extra damage sends it over the edge

[swift magnet]

I am trying to weight the pros and cons of each specs for Kurog

[gusty mirage]

sin vs outlaw?

[swift magnet]

yes it sure is better to rupture the add in my book but if asked why I did it and why I did not envenom the boss instead I want to be able to explain

[gusty mirage]

yeah the energy is legit just the bonus part of rupturing an off target

[swift magnet]

sin vs sub more likely atm as my rl feels like boss damage will be prio (we do the first pull soon)

i'm not sure OL can achieve as good numbers as sin/sub on st and as easily, and also we have an arms war that will exec so add cleave will be kind of prohibited

[gusty mirage]

yeah my job on kurog was just straight boss damage

[swift magnet]

you did as sin ?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[swift magnet]

did you bother refreshing poisons on the add in p1 for example so it can proc energy from the bleeds?

I feel like it would give me a headache at the end of the night doing it

and i'm not sure I can reliably do it all the time too

[upper crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[swift magnet]

so it's sub or I just kinda tunnel the boss as sin, dot the add and forget about venomous wounds, what do you think?

[gusty mirage]

I didn't tbh

between all the shit you have to worry about on that fight

worrying about keeping up bleeds AND poisons on the add is a lot

[swift magnet]

yeah no doubt, I did a 10 min session on dummies trying to juggle the poison refresh on the off target and the rest and it was a pain

[balmy condor]

kurog is an easy refresh though

2 targets isn't bad at all

you have to refresh bleeds on it constantly

you just tab auto and call it a day

[swift magnet]

so in your opinion before I go do you think sub can do as good as sin on Kurog? factoring the funneling opportunity of having 2 targets

[swift magnet]

yes I would get used to it eventually

[balmy condor]

sin is one of the worst specs on kurog

its just boss damage tbh

unless you giga want to play sin cause you think it's fun

[swift magnet]

yes but that's what my rl wants me to do

[balmy condor]

yikes

[swift magnet]

i'm ok with it tbh, atm i'm trying to figure out if sub 2 target funnel does more damage more reliably than sin

[balmy condor]

there is 0 funnel with 2 target

[swift magnet]

you dont shuriken storm to build?

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

but that's not really funnel is it

it probably does less single target damage actually

cause you would want to gloomblade for single target

[swift magnet]

yes ok that's not full blown out funneling but thats a perk over pure ST no?

[balmy condor]

being able to hit 2 targets is more damage than hitting 1 target, sure

sub's 2 target is the worst of the 3 rogue specs

idk why you would want to play sub for 2 target

[swift magnet]

cause i'm asked to not dps the add as I said

we have a war and all that and it's not my decision

[balmy condor]

sure

[somber basin]

Then play assa?

[balmy condor]

then play whatever is higher in single target

[soft sigil]

I have a logs disqualification question.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jb8wftVaDMXCvmZg#fight=4&type=damage-done
Rogue log was not vaild due to an excess of buffs or something, but I am unsure what caused it. Does anyone know?

[balmy condor]

a second target is going to benefit sin way more than sub for single target damage anyway

idk

[swift magnet]

it's assa vs sub i'm trying to figure which one before the 1st pull

[balmy condor]

it's a weird question is all

[woeful meteor]

5 PI in 5 min

[swift magnet]

yet simple! :p

[balmy condor]

yeah

[somber basin]

Assa is way better on 2 targets where you prio st dmg

[balmy condor]

that's why I'm confused why you're confused

[magic vine]

sub 2t has a very minimal window where you'd shuriken storm, because lingering is better damage than storm on 2t till like 5s left on the buff

[soft sigil]

Ahh, so both priests were using it on them

[balmy condor]

sub gains nothing from a second target

sin gains something

if your only priority is single target damage

then play sin

[swift magnet]

i'm not i'm just trying to make a decision based on other people experiences

[swift magnet]

it's not what i'm seeing from logs at, looking at a recent one of Valc atm for example

[balmy condor]

people play wrong

[swift magnet]

i'll start with that

[balmy condor]

it is what it is

[swift magnet]

yes it's reliable

[magic vine]

it takes like 10-12 seconds before lingering gets low enough that shuriken on 2t is more damage than just gloomblade, which is basically half the cooldown time on dance.

so you essentially get slightly more cp in the lowest damage window in the spec

like its a gain, but not something huge

[swift magnet]

yes makes sense, I often see logs from that guy doing good parses and it's funny to me that he can do top50 parse playing wrong

[somber basin]

Kurog is one of the worst fights to look at only overall dmg because its most likely padding if u do high dmg

If u care about progression and your job is to do pure st dmg then u should never press black powder like that valc guy u mentioned

[fading mason]

when going into aoe pull with slice up and ic

is it better to open garrote ,fan ,ct{or is it better to go for rupture at that point?}then reprimant and follow with either ct or rupture whats not on the target

[balmy condor]

ic gar ct er rup

[marble hemlock]

(more than 1garr)

[balmy condor]

I mean

not really right

you can though

[marble hemlock]

youd wanna cast 3cp ct?

[balmy condor]

just to guarantee the er rup

yeh

[marble hemlock]

instead of 2nd garrote for prio or pandemic

but you get er rup either way

since you finish before it so its either 2 or 3cp after ER into rupture

[balmy condor]

sure

[marble hemlock]

i just wouldnt wanna cast 3cp CT 😄

[balmy condor]

the pandemic isn't that important though

[marble hemlock]

well if you wanna send exsang+DM after

[balmy condor]

I don't think the difference is that important

[marble hemlock]

but yeah overall it doesnt matter that much

[balmy condor]

the 3cp feels fine to me cause I'm just refreshing it basically instantly right now

[marble hemlock]

wonder if with pb etc wed wanna envenom earlier into the aoe opener

[balmy condor]

it's like gar ct er rup fok lands you on 4cp or whatever

and then you're just going

but yeh

it's kinda whatever

[marble hemlock]

ye

its just like ST opener

as long as you get shit up asap

the order in which you do that kinda doesnt matter

[fading mason]

thanks for the diferent opinions 🥳

[verbal kestrel]

Yo Im just picking up my old rogue so I was looking for a slightly easier build to run, would it be troll to run Dragon tempered blades and arterial precision in dungeons?

[balmy condor]

it would be a significant aoe loss

[cunning nest]

He has probably seen that in WFR

[verbal kestrel]

ah word okay

[cunning nest]

I think you do a mistake in thinking that its easier always avoiding active Talents. Carnage on the other Hand made aoe muuuuch easier imo in Dungeons. Its much less tab-targetting than the years prior. I recommend trying it out ❤️

You activate it in stealth before the trash Pack an than just spread the dots 🤗

[verbal kestrel]

yeah I didn't really think about it like that lol. Im swapping carnage now to try it out. Do you usually have it up for every pack?

[cunning nest]

Depends on the key Level, so no. Overall high er keys an fortified feels better for it in my view

Remember that you can silence up until 8 targets with damage reduction with it, if you skill iron wire for a little bit of damage, which you should on high keys

Most important challenge will be to Tell your Tank Not to chainpull (PLEASE) 😂

[balmy condor]

chain pulls are fine

common misconception about m+

[stray mural]

why do i feel like the new assa dtb m+ spec has no utility

[verbal kestrel]

I still got a long way to go before Im doing high keys with my rogue lmao but It'll be good for me to practice with this build

[weak crescent]

Do you guys think pure single target on boss helps prog more than big overall ? especially on fights like kurog

[balmy condor]

because you thought kingsbane was utility I guess

[stray mural]

no like how do i get gouge back

[slim drift]

What

[balmy condor]

what

[slim drift]

It's literally the most utility in the game

Copium

[balmy condor]

wdym how do you get gouge back

[slim drift]

But actually

[balmy condor]

the class tree didn't change

[spice spire]

You’ve changed though

[cunning nest]

Its fine in many cases, because of vanish, but if it happens for several pulls in a row (and only because of 1 or 2 second(s)) I indeed feel like dps and iron wire-Utility gets thrown under the bus 🫣

[balmy condor]

well if it's 1 or 2 seconds then your tank is just an idiot

and not chain pulling

that's dent brain pulling

[cunning nest]

Yes. Thing is: assa is not meta in m+ and so many tanks in pugs dont know about that. Stealth isnt that important for OL and sub

That's why I tell tanks and advice other to do so, too 🙃
Many just dont know

[balmy condor]

I mean chain pulling isn't an assassination thing

you're just playing with dogshit tanks

but them pulling like that is an issue for any spec and any class

[civic forge]

is there a decent non er build for keys? wanted to try out assassination for a bit but not a fan of er. kinda curious how much worse it is to play without it

[balmy condor]

you would drop ER for cold blood

it's kinda fine

but the single target is worse

[civic forge]

any specific ability you want to use CB with?

[balmy condor]

envenom or ct

[civic forge]

like idk if there's something like CB + Sectec

kk cool. thanks

[drifting cosmos]

You’re in the wrong ch my friend, sin burst is kinda different to sub

[civic forge]

yeah i just figured i'd ask

worst case is a no right?

[zinc frost]

It’s a fair question tho - if your coming from sub to sin and wondering if there’s any similar interactions with CB

[somber basin]

Depends what your raid needs. The guy i was responding to was assigned to do boss dmg so his main focus should be maximizing his st dmg on the boss

[weak crescent]

oh fair, i guess its all dependant on the raid needs

[keen spruce]

I mean if you're playing assas then you're highest value is going to be single target. fights like kurog heroic are mostly single target anyways

if your raid is gonna make you play AoE assas, idk why they wouldn't just make you play outlaw lol

[dense herald]

if later in the fight everything lined up, would you actively choose to rupture-> vanish garrote before EXANG -> DM etc, or would it actually be better to regular garrote/rupture - EXANG -> DM, vanish garrote when exang'd garrote falls off? seeing most logs do the delayed vanish garrote in the opener and then vanish garroting half way into DM's duration at the 2 minutes for the rest of the fights, wondering if its better do delay the second DM window by say 15-20s to have the empowered garrotes line up with DM the rest of the fight for its full duration (so long as you dont lose total casts), any comment on this?

[balmy condor]

you would vanish gar exsang

the only reason why you delay in opener is cause you already have empowered garrote from the stealth pull

[wary ice]

does master poisoner increase amplifying poisons damage mulitplier? IDK if that counts as a damaging effect

[balmy condor]

yes

wait

amp

no

master poisoner is only non-lethals

crippling/numbing/atrophic

[random fossil]

Whisp

Ice/lightning is crack

[balmy condor]

ice/lightning is pretty good yeah

[random fossil]

What have you done to me man

[balmy condor]

lumi reflection still better yepge

[random fossil]

I had my life together

[wary ice]

Didnt it use to also increase the healing penalty of wounding (for pvp garbagE)? I wasnt sure if that was something that would apply here

[balmy condor]

I don't think that works anymore either

@hollow river might know

but it definitely doesn't work on amp

[wary ice]

cool ty as always whispyr :^)

[steel sorrel]

PoE? xD nwm, its maple story if its Whisp xD My bad

[balmy condor]

I play poe too :P

[steel sorrel]

I know, thats why I asked that first but then you said lumi reflections which isnt a thing in PoE

As far as I know xD

[balmy condor]

yeh

lumi reflection is maple :P

[gusty mirage]

ye it used to increase the healing reduction on woound

[steel sorrel]

Ive never tried Maple story, somethibg you recommend trying?

[gusty mirage]

yes

it's a great game tbh

the interface is super dated, and it's still a ton of fun

[steel sorrel]

hmm, will try it out! Thanks 🙂 I like the looks it has tbh

[balmy condor]

yeah

you just have to uh

kinda look past the 15 year old interface

and the weird controls

[wary ice]

[balmy condor]

||(I have a maplestory channel in my discord you can come chill with me and @echo geysercough)||

[hollow river]

it does work on Wound Poison - but only the Mortal Strike effect, not the damage itself

[steel sorrel]

Lies, I cannot find 🤫

[balmy condor]

maybe perms are fucked

no

they're not

you're just not in the disc

[steel sorrel]

Guessing you have a private discord and not here on Reventholt?

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[steel sorrel]

hahaha

yeah

[balmy condor]

yeh stream discord

be like that

[steel sorrel]

figured I was being stupid

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

[steel sorrel]

This will have to be sprted out for sure

I am sorry for my misstep my exellent overlord

[balmy condor]

its basically just emotes and me and ramfam losing our shit over maplestory tbh

[steel sorrel]

I am guessing I will need 500 hours before I can make a statement there without being stupid then hahahha

Will atleast try the game thou, looks cool

Just finished secret of mana for the 3rd time so I need a new game anyway 😇

[dense herald]

okay yeah so ideally when you line up exang with the 4m DM onwards, if you can the priority would be waiting for vanish to be off cd for the exang lineups, ty just wanted to get my head around it, seeing lots of literal r1's just continuing to vanish garrote half way through DM and exang'ing a full duration normal garrote

[echo geyser]

im a mapler main now

raz dead guild disband

its time to ascend

[lament warren]

wow sucks anyway

[sudden canyon]

Did they change something with sbs? I feel like in Shadowlands the cp were instant and not when the projectile hit the target. It feels like there’s a massive delay from when I press it to when I generate the cp.

[lament warren]

are you fighting terros

[sudden canyon]

Razz

[lament warren]

has to travel to the center of the hitbox

[sudden canyon]

Eww

[lament warren]

so large models are cringe

[steel sorrel]

I just try to use it on 0 cp and do sbs - mut then you get the cps at the same time basically

Cringe but dont have to wait for the cps like a mong

[marble hemlock]

you get the sealfate CP on cast, but the SBS CP itself when the projectile hits. so CP gained from SBS on bosses with large hitboxes can be very delayed or seem awkward. raszageth would be one of those

[steel sorrel]

Sennarth, terros aswell

[marble hemlock]

had a few occurences of casting SBS at 4 CP, spellqueuing envenom, and it would cast with 4CP because the SBS CP would be generated more than a whole GCD after i cast it

[random fossil]

Where discord link

[balmy condor]

DM’s ignored

Left on read on god

[random fossil]

Oh SHIT

[balmy condor]

Just like my ex gf

[random fossil]

Im sorry

[balmy condor]

Out here starving

[random fossil]

I've seen it now

I have discord completely muted on mobile lmao

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

It’s okay, I left her on read, not the other way around

[oak sky]

wait

[hollow river]

your guild disbanded?

[oak sky]

this an old gf or like

[fading rover]

!box

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[balmy condor]

She moved to socal and the long distance wasn’t working out so we broke up and then a week later I came home from highschool (this was sophomore year mind you), and she was naked in my kitchen after having let herself in and just straight up insano like straight out of yandere simulator

Was uh

Not good

She went to a mental ward after that

[oak sky]

wtf

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

good on you for ghosting her

[balmy condor]

She hit me up like 4 years later and we had a good talk, she’s doing better

But yeah

Dark times

[oak sky]

glad shes doing better

[fading rover]

So Whispyr, on the note about the puzzle box, when it says "sync" with deathmark does that mean before i use deathmark?

[hollow river]

damn homie, wish you luck on finding a new home

[dense herald]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Before, after, doesn’t really matter as long as it’s within a couple seconds of it in either direction

[oak sky]

ram rn

[random fossil]

0-100 in one comma

[balmy condor]

Sims go exsang->dm->box

[echo geyser]

[fading rover]

so always exsang before DM

otherwise the exsang shortens DM

[balmy condor]

That’s a @solid chasm for sure tho he knows them crazy hoes

[balmy condor]

Yes

100%

[oak sky]

🔪

[solid chasm]

huh

[fading rover]

and currently with the talent changes exsang is a notable increase over no exsang correct?

[balmy condor]

You and me brother

[solid chasm]

@balmy condor i still think about her and miss her

[balmy condor]

[solid chasm]

could b us

[oak sky]

could be me n her

[steel ridge]

You can play no exsang and be just fine

[fading rover]

is there an estimation for % dps difference?

[balmy condor]

2%

[strange python]

What workaround hasn’t been nerfed for mage tower ?

[balmy condor]

Sockets

But really Assassination mage tower is just mechanics

[strange python]

🥲

[balmy condor]

The damage check is super loose

[green juniper]

tried 3-4 times and quit immediatly my boomer hands cant do mage tower

[strange python]

Same brother.

[balmy condor]

I had to beat it 4 times because I screwed up the recording 3 times

And then I quit immediately

Because it took like an hour and a half

For a 6 minute video

[zinc frost]

Sub one is quite easy, haven’t tried sin one yet since SL

[strange python]

And I’m still unsure on what gear is best I’ve seen guides that are “recently” updated that say old gear like chromie time or MOP crafted pvp, then I’ve seen ones that say no high Ilvl Dragonflight armor is best atm

[balmy condor]

Aside from some trinkets that need to be tested I don’t think there’s much cheese anymore

Sockets are still bonkers good

But they’re good for damage

You might want to use leech gear maybe

But idk

[zinc frost]

I used the leech trinket from emerald nightmare, pretty decent

[steel ridge]

it was somewhat tight in SL, not as tight as sub, but still

is it easier now?

[balmy condor]

Yah

Mage tower is free

It’s the easiest it’s ever been tbh

[steel ridge]

cool

i need the transmog on my druid

maybe the feral challenge (outlaw one) should be doable

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Imp mother is an absolute steam roll from what I hear

[steel ridge]

sadge

[balmy condor]

People running in on fury war and one shotting it blind

[strange python]

Which one, I’m not seeing leech on one

[steel ridge]

fury runs in blind everywhere and just does its thing

[zinc frost]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=139320/ravaged-seed-pod

Probably not worth farming for, but decent if you already have it.

[strange python]

Ah ok Gotcha Ty

Is there a thread for macros, I don’t think I looked over it if there is one 😎🤓

[balmy condor]

Nah

[hollow river]

i've heard they've changed the ilvl scaling in MT so using the same type of "cheese" gear you did in SL is worse than DF gear, though i have absolutely no evidence to support that

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it’s worse

I just don’t think it makes a difference

It’s all the same item level

And all the crazy special trinkets and stuff got nerfed or disabled

[hollow river]

so lower ilvl gets scaled up as well?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Every piece of gear is scaled to 140 ilvl

[hollow river]

ahh okay, that part wasn't mentioned in what i read

[balmy condor]

Regardless of the original ilvl

[hollow river]

quite a few were saying now that it scales over 100ilvl the ~38-50 ilvl gear was much worse. which lead me to believe it wasn't scaling it up.

[balmy condor]

There was this mage tower video where a guy was like “I DID IT IN LEVELING GREENS”

[hollow river]

but this is people on the forums making their own wild claims we're talking about here

[balmy condor]

And I’m sitting there like

You’re a fucking clown

[hollow river]

lmfao

[balmy condor]

Most clickbait shit ever

[hollow river]

what about no gear and white ilvl daggers???

[balmy condor]

That would be something

Cause no secondaries

But as far as I’m aware, a crit/mast ilvl 10 green is the same as a 421 crit/mast

Vault tier is active though

So that’s something to keep in mind

And some of the trinket scaling is wonky

I don’t Know of anything cheese though

Sockets are still just bonus on top of gear

And leech still is good because that’s a bonus too

Like I would wear a leech 200 ilvl belt over a 418 ilvl belt

But aside from sockets/tertiaries I think they squashed the rest

[hollow river]

good to know. i actually kept some of the items i managed to scrounge together the night i did the assa challenge in case i ever wanted to give the other two a shot

[flint tusk]

I might give MT a try. Will be my first time doing it 😒

[scarlet matrix]

Silly question, but does Shadowmeld count as stealth for Garrote like it does for Feral Rake?

[steel spire]

I've ambushed in shadowmeld idk about garrote

[balmy condor]

If you full stealth after yes

Doesn’t work if you can’t stealth

Like on boss fights

[dark token]

There was some bis triple socket mop gear or something

But it's not hard enough to need cheesing

[ornate topaz]

what should I train the ruby whelp for? I guess crit for rogue ?

or AOE dmg if I wanna go M+?

[misty holly]

I tried training for AoE and it sucked bad.

[ornate topaz]

and how much crit it buffs ?

[misty holly]

Either train single target fireball or crit.

[ornate topaz]

i suppose the crit will be best

[misty holly]

the thing about that trinket is 1ppm makes it really swingy.

[ornate topaz]

I wont play it I have Whetstone and CCT...I also have torch but coudlnt care less for that 😄

[misty holly]

And it doesnt seem to proc early like other trinkets do. It's more totally random. Hard to line cooldowns up for it.

[ornate topaz]

and puzzlebox I hate as well 😄

[ornate topaz]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wary ether]

i feel personally attacked

[balmy condor]

I don’t think it was you

[wary ether]

also, i couldnt do that on assa

[balmy condor]

I Just typed in mage tower dragonflight

And scrolled

Was some degenerate shit in there

[wary ether]

afaik the df setbonuses work

and theyre kinda huge

for some

[balmy condor]

Yeah those work

[steel ridge]

tierset works lmao

[limpid sparrow]

how do u survive pushback on razagesh as assa?

[royal lantern]

step?

same way the other specs do it lol

[limpid sparrow]

if u have step for every pushback 😅

just to be sure

[balmy condor]

We gate on cooldown and step the rest

But yeah, double step means you have it up always

[limpid sparrow]

ty ❤️

[ornate topaz]

how does Pandemic work when I have 5 remaining seconds of "normal Garrote" and I Vanish into SS Garrote? Do I get those extra seconds with bonus damage or I lose the damage buff ?

[lone agate]

You get bonus damage, the last applied bleed carries his damage for the whole duration. Correct ?

[arctic venture]

guys Im bit lost about my opening with Puzzle box

some can help me?

[ripe basin]

whats wrong with your puzzle box opener?

[next edge]

if you give more info of your problem

maybe

😛

[arctic venture]

I dont know where to use

before start or on fight

[next edge]

have you even chequed

the faq?

because it explains it

[arctic venture]

I will now.

tks

[safe helm]

is it possible and/or recommended to macro vanish and deathmark together?

[next edge]

uh

that sounds terrible to me

tbh

[safe helm]

isnt it recommended to line them together for the empowered garrot?

[next edge]

yes

but you want to line them together sure

but why would you macro

[ebon notch]

Look at the opener in the #assassination-faq

[zinc frost]

It wouldn’t work - if you went deathmark into vanish macro in your opener you’d be most likely overwriting the exsang garrote.

[rain mortar]

Has anyone successfully gotten another spark this week? I’ve even trying so hard and no luck

[ebon notch]

Looted one from mythic boss

[toxic ocean]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[old jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[steel sorrel]

You will get extra time on the SS Garrote from stealth.

[steel sorrel]

Correct

[steel sorrel]

I think this will be a bit problematic becasue Vanish is off global cd. So ideally you do rotation and then get to Vanish (off gcd)-garrote-exsang-DM.

@safe helm the macro would mean = Rotation until you use your macro -> vanish-DM-gar-exsang. This is SUPER bad, like 10% dmg loss becasue you would shorten the DM aswell as it counts as a bleed. Dont know if I explain it good but there it is atleast

[storm onyx]

Garrote gives 5 CPs cast from stealth with SS in DM window.
You would lose that too in that scenario you macro them
Also, you never want to Exsan your DM, as stated by many.

[toxic ocean]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[green juniper]

anyone elses offhand not shows?

[rancid blaze]

right click the profession gear off on your buffs

[green juniper]

ah.. sorry new player..

[rancid blaze]

all good

[swift magnet]

hello, I should use the Puzzle trinket before DM/exsang or after?

[paper wraith]

i love the "if youre not using puzzle box dont be stupid and go get one"

[swift magnet]

thx

[reef isle]

ant tips on magetower assasination

any*

[fathom arrow]

hi guys if i am corect are the rotation for assasination rogue in raid just keep the dots up ?

or i am wrong ?

[indigo pollen]

that is definitely a part of it. envenom also accounts for a lot of damage. thats kind of an odd question

[fathom arrow]

sorry

i am just helping my friend

he want to do both raid and m+ for rogue

[royal niche]

Hey,new Assa player here. Does snapshotting still exist?

[storm onyx]

Only for Exsan through haste

[royal niche]

I see,cheers!

[turbid heath]

what spec are you all going for Raz HC?

We're progging on her atm

[proper tapir]

I did KB until it was moved on patch day, I did DTB this week and it was fine

[turbid heath]

I've saw majority rogues are playing Sub for Raz

[steel ridge]

dont think it matters when you are just progging hc now

[storm onyx]

Are you comfortable with sub?

[turbid heath]

We're failing at getting to p2 consistently tho lol, sparks seems to be fucking the guild - shit I know..

[turbid heath]

Negative

[storm onyx]

Sparks is CC issue, not related to your spec tbf. All raid needs to keep eye on those

[proper tapir]

Some people play whatever, Sub has dance windows for shield and OL go afk until platforms.

[steel ridge]

sin blasts those shields alot

[storm onyx]

I did all Razs as DTB. We were having problems with meeting the timers for platforms; so RL asked me to ditch KB even in favor of more sustained dmg at P1

All depends on your raid comp tbf

[turbid heath]

How many phases of sparks do you get before going to platforms? are you supposed to have just 1?

[storm onyx]

Not sure, I don’t memorize fights like that

Are you Ally/Horde?

[rugged jewel]

What's the best crafted item to upgrade to 418 first? Cowl, dagger or lariat?

[storm onyx]

Weapon always if it’s MainHand

[turbid heath]

ally

[rugged jewel]

ty!

[storm onyx]

Ah k, BE torrent helps a lot on those, hence I asked

[steel ridge]

you can torrent those sparks?

[storm onyx]

Yes

[steel ridge]

TIL

[glossy grove]

Wheres the doc where I can see which enchantment on my weaps (rune/wetstone) is better?

[quaint dragon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tawny junco]

Exsanguinate is worth in st?

though it was nerfed

[glossy grove]

ty

[spice spire]

Yes

[frozen jasper]

Exsang in m+ yay or nay?

[swift dagger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[shut owl]

onpriority adds and tyrannical? yay. I'm taking MA for this week though just for a slightly less chaos with bolstering

[modest gale]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[sand elm]

on sennarth, do u guys open up on the boss or the add

[storm onyx]

1st add dying too fast, I open on the boss

[sand elm]

cool. thats what ive been doing as well

[storm onyx]

but if it lives considerably in your raid, then it may be

[sand elm]

first add dies really quick so i hadnt been bothering with it

[wispy iris]

Hey so I play all 3 specs across all content. if I have the jade ring with a socket and have a very decent chance of getting funneled the mythic eranog ring is it worth crafting a ring with crit mast

[halcyon kestrel]

boys, bloody mess or fatal concoction?

[gusty mirage]

for what

[random fossil]

assassination rogue talents probs

[gusty mirage]

yeah no shit

[random fossil]

[gusty mirage]

I'm just trying to figure out what build they're looking at

because fatal concoction is awful

[fathom arch]

from a practical perspective in raid, is static empowerment actually any good or do we just go chaos or vers?

[halcyon kestrel]

single target raid fight

[fathom arch]

well, lets assume im too cheap and not minmaxing THAT hard that i reflask each boss..

[vestal wren]

static is good if you never move

[halcyon kestrel]

its just quick opinion gathering

[fathom arch]

spreadsheet then suggests chaos or vers.. and vers is a lot cheaper.. okidoki cheers

[next edge]

Unbreakable stride

applies to Sennarath slow from web

i assume

right?

[vestal wren]

tepid of vers is always best ye

some specific fights could end up better with corrupting

but in general, just use tepid of vers

[fathom arch]

guessing elemental power for pots?

[outer cairn]

In theory you could just garrote it and then still garrote and open on Senn. Really just gives you a longer SnD

[lavish linden]

Why are we using exang for the raid build I thought it was only good with kb

[vestal wren]

exsang is always good

people dissliked it esp. before the nerf

[royal lantern]

people hate it cus its 1 of the worst desinged abilitys in the game

[midnight phoenix]

Best phials n pots? I lost Whispyr sheet

[royal lantern]

but its a easy to grab talent that has good dmg

[royal lantern]

vers flask, there is only the mainstat pot

[midnight phoenix]

I thought i saw different on the spreadsheet

[vestal wren]

best phial is tepid vers, pot is the mainstat

static is bait, you won't stand still to get high enough benefit from it

[royal lantern]

static is the biggest troll potion togheter with corrupting rage lol

just pure bait

[midnight phoenix]

Rage is no good?

[vestal wren]

isn't corrupting proccing more on one encounter

and hence not "troll"

[royal lantern]

its bad

like, really bad

🙂

[vestal wren]

but in general i garee

*agree

[royal lantern]

corrupting rage has the problem: when you get the dot, the positive effect is gone until the dot is over

and losing 100%of your hp happens REALLY fast in raidfights

like, on raza shields the effect would be gone in 4seconds lmao

[sand elm]

its not 100% anymore

[midnight phoenix]

25%

[royal lantern]

100%of your hp until you get the dot

not the dot itself

the dot itself is a total joke

recup alone almost fully heals it

[vestal wren]

iirc you can get high enough uptime on kurrog to be worth it

[dire trout]

Hey there, I searched for this in the faq but couldn't find it. Is Fan of Knives affected by envenom (i.e. make sure envenom is maintained on big packs) or is the "normal rate" as if envenom wasn't up?

[rancid blaze]

so for M+ do i use amp+deadly? or deadly+instant?

[sand elm]

u never use instant

[rancid blaze]

ok

[sand elm]

always default to amp/deadly, theyre just better

[next edge]

3,3% SENNARATH

NOFDHIBKSDHJGSDHGSDHGSHDG

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

fuck THIS BOSS

[royal lantern]

ye, the spidussy is hot

[nocturne current]

Same exact thing mate. But we wanted to save Vantus rune for Kurog xD

Like 5 min ago haha

[next edge]

now its time to get back

into stupid second paltform wipes

smh

i fucking hate this boss

[royal lantern]

in 2days my "we will get it for sure" fight beginns

[vital vale]

do you guys switch to crimson for council or anything?

or just focus two targets?

[gaunt basin]

Did the kingsbane change screw assa over? or is it still fine?

[royal lantern]

dmg same, we lost build options cus KB is a dead talent now

[storm onyx]

We lost build variety

[tough gorge]

Differende between double 3 star earthem writ vs 2 stat sophov devotion?

[royal lantern]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQLJSSSiElEAAAAAAAJBgIAAAAAAASDJSJJIJJpEIJkIEJJA

try this build

[final dirge]

What build do people go on Kurog Mythic?

[nocturne current]

@next edge My damage is pretty ass on Senarth

[next edge]

ITS DEADGE

https://i.gyazo.com/3fc3a4d10650b83b420b4b4a0ca56268.png

[next edge]

Was about to ask the same

[kind walrus]

do you always hold DM for Puzzlebox or

[next edge]

no

[kind walrus]

oki cheers

[vestal wren]

will die soon

[next edge]

Just did

got a 90 on it not bad

[vestal wren]

nice gz

[modest gale]

can some1 share talents without exs for terros rly quick?

[trim basin]

is it worth saving deathmark for exsang or just send on cd?

[agile geode]

Deathmark on cd

No reason to keep it

[next edge]

Any tips for Kurog?

Im playing regular ST build for it

[midnight phoenix]

Ideal build for council?

AP Carnage?

[royal lantern]

there is a build in wowhead iirc

[nocturne current]

@next edge

is ded

[next edge]

Pog

how many pulls?

[nocturne current]

Like 28 or 29 I think

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-skating-japanese-falling-over-funny-gif-10543268

[nocturne current]

We had a lot of dirty pulls we lost 1-2 dps always on transmission :/

But my DPS was ass. Like 67k ._.

[royal lantern]

i somewhat doubt 28 pulls mate

[nocturne current]

Is there a way to check in the addon?

[gusty mirage]

ert has it

as would dbm/bigwigs

[next edge]

If you guys did 28 pulls

ur are beasts

KEK

[gusty mirage]

why

maybe they're not stupid

[next edge]

Hard to believe

there are so many stupids

Oxi

[gusty mirage]

half the pulls on that boss are people figuring out how to not get pulled off

lmao

[next edge]

do you hold cd for add spawn

or full send kurog and regular bleed add

[gusty mirage]

full send kurog

if you're playing assassination

[nocturne current]

Yeah was about 30. I'm trying to find is the data..

[gusty mirage]

your job is the boss

[nocturne current]

But def less than 30. And 10 or 15 of those was without warlock xD

[next edge]

Im considering

sub too

[gusty mirage]

for what

sub is the worst out of all 3 specs at 2T cleave

lol

[next edge]

eah it is

but you just

dot the fire add

and full send kurog?

I guess so right

[gusty mirage]

yap

if add damage is necessary

you just play outlaw

but you'll learn quick that boss damage is stupid important on that boss

[next edge]

Yeah I rather cut my balls off

[gusty mirage]

esp when you start getting to p3

and missing the enrage by like 10mil