assassination

[carmine dawn]

@ebon notch

[north pewter]

yo, quick question. is dragon tempered blades really doing more dps than kingsbane? I know this is probably a FAQ but fuck im sorry raid starts in 10 minutes nand I havent logged on this week yet

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane is unplayable

[north pewter]

did they break it?

[balmy condor]

They moved it to a choice node with dtb

[north pewter]

Thank you, Blizzard

[magic vine]

its best case 5% behind dtb

[indigo pollen]

when starting sennarth do yall wait to do full rotation after add or

[balmy condor]

I hit it the add with 1 garrote

And then full boss

[indigo pollen]

they got it haha

okay

[north pewter]

That's what I do too lol. The dps to take it down is just so small compared to boss and since dots take time to really do any meaningful damage, i hit em with the basic bleeds and move on

[dark token]

Ur supposed to focus adds

That aren't the first one

It's important for prog

[nocturne current]

I'm more curious is, are people letting themselves get grabbed and shadowstep back or just playing default

[north pewter]

We have so many aoe strong dps in our guild, that I tag them with bleeds and focus boss. It's not hindering us any, but we're not aspiring to be CE either

[jade wadi]

are yall running vers phials for heroic raz? or something else?

[balmy condor]

Anyone worth their salt will step back

It’s just better

But for like heroic raiders that don’t know better

Idk

Probably not

[nocturne current]

So it's actually viable.

[balmy condor]

It’s more uptime

[nocturne current]

I thought it was a meme, lol nice

[dark token]

I just stand in webs

Idk

Easy

[nocturne current]

Yeah I was using shadowsteps to climb the stairs

[dark token]

That's bait

U can step into tornado easy

Just walk when low energy

[tacit otter]

afaik there was a small increase with using exsang -> puzzle box on the same global. so you macro it and press it on gcd (feels weird to play imo)

[nocturne current]

I usually shadowstepped halfway to the boss and then onto someone else on top of the platform

[dark token]

More reasons to hate exang

[balmy condor]

Exsang-Box-deathmark

Sounds very cursed

[slim hamlet]

yea you exsang-dm-box (for legal reasons this is sarcasm)

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

You do that

[slim hamlet]

huh

[balmy condor]

That’s what sims do

[slim hamlet]

dont u wanna have all of it fit into box

[balmy condor]

Box exsang dm is like the same thing

But sims have always very slightly preferred exsang dm box

[slim hamlet]

ive just been using box after ER

[balmy condor]

Makes no real difference when you box

As Long as it’s like

Close enough

[slim hamlet]

yea

[balmy condor]

Box after ER is fine too

[runic heron]

anyone have a good assa m+ build im just running indiscriminate carnage and 4 poisons

[slim hamlet]

wowhead, icy veins, #assassination-faq, pins

[ebon notch]

garrote boss snd garrote add sbs rupture sbs boss rupture er puzzlebox then st rotation

[runic heron]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

Not extending garrote

[lament warren]

there is no way it's worth sending sbs on the ad

there's also no way it's worth pressing rupture 3 times

[balmy condor]

He ruptures twice

[lament warren]

ya but you rupture

[feral rivet]

I just garrote add > st rotation on boss

[lament warren]

after the er

for exsang

so its 3 times

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah

Idk why it has to be so complicated

Just gar add, gar Boss twice

Snd

And you’re off

[lament warren]

what's the benefit of extending garrote on boss if you're vanishing to extend it anyway

[feral rivet]

First add dies so fast anyway theres no point putting everything up on it

[indigo pollen]

if i convertd mythic chest to tier, do i need to roll on heroic chest from voti

[balmy condor]

Cause you vanish after

[balmy condor]

I don’t see why you would

[dire lodge]

why does assassination have almost the #1 heroic overall parse, but is almost at bottom on mythic? just because no mechanics = u get to autoattack with 2x poison 10000 times ?

[gusty mirage]

because the adds live longer than 12.5 seconds in mythic

[dire lodge]

ya thats fair

[lament warren]

because heroic only assassination players are insanely good

[dire lodge]

this is the real answer

[gusty mirage]

true, have you seen my parses?

[lament warren]

they're just built different

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[nocturne current]

My parses are absolute hot garbage.

[lament warren]

brto

[feral rivet]

A fight like kurog doesnt have constant cleave on heroic, dathea you top dmg by not going platforms and just ST on heroic etc etc

[lament warren]

i made weakauras for a class

and now i don't even wanna play it

[gusty mirage]

you look at normal

and you're like damn this guy pumps

go to heroic

you're like DAMN

then go to mythic

and you're like

[keen spruce]

heroic gamers cuz you're guild can't kill bosses

[dire lodge]

sorry if this is the inappropriate channel, but i am really proud aboutmy parse

[lament warren]

86k

that is for sure a kingsbane padlord

[gusty mirage]

based

[keen spruce]

also i didn't realize windfury is so gas for assa

[lament warren]

i won't be tricked

[nocturne current]

Did the boss die?

[gusty mirage]

was alive the entire time AMA

[lament warren]

LMAOOOOOO

[keen spruce]

did they make you do platforms?

[dire lodge]

i tried to shadowstep back on after first pull, but hit a survival hunter grappling up the platform and fell to my death

[lament warren]

yes

he played ic iron wire

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

LMFAOOOOOO

did u not havea

[gray crest]

i got 2x 11 parses on my first terros and sennarth kill

[lament warren]

a dk warrior?

[gray crest]

so that was fun

[gusty mirage]

AMA

[lament warren]

did u have a warrior

[nocturne current]

Hehehe

[gusty mirage]

two

[gray crest]

why does jet hate you

[lament warren]

follow up question

did u have a dk

[gusty mirage]

yes

on the other platform

[lament warren]

was one of the warriors prot

[keen spruce]

my eggnog parse got downgraded to a 98

[nocturne current]

Atleast the adds suffered

[gusty mirage]

we had a prot pally

and 2 warriors

and a shaman

and a DH

but they NEEDED

[keen spruce]

rank 23 not even pink parse

[gusty mirage]

my IW garrote

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

NEEDED

[glacial steppe]

something went wrong

[lament warren]

surely one of your warriors just goes prot and does as much damage as you?

[gusty mirage]

we have a prot warrior

they were on the other platform

[lament warren]

????

???????????????

[gusty mirage]

[nocturne current]

I'm not lying if I hadn't said I didn't thought about that build too

[lament warren]

THEY SENT

DK

AND PTOTRJSI

/1?

?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[lament warren]

smartest raid leader

holy

actually insane

[gusty mirage]

sometimes you just have to int 20% of your ST damage

[keen spruce]

I already planted the seed of not doing platforms on dathea

[gusty mirage]

and be okay with it ig

[lament warren]

that honestly beats whispyr's 4heal kurog

not gonna lie

[gray crest]

this just reminds me of this meme

[keen spruce]

and we haven't killed sennarth yet

[slim hamlet]

why are u blue oxi

[gusty mirage]

not even remotely

[lament warren]

it does

[gusty mirage]

no

[lament warren]

it 100% does

[gusty mirage]

I was a last minute addition to the platforms

[dire lodge]

can we ban all tauren and dwarf players ?

[gusty mirage]

because platform 2 was also having issues

[lament warren]

it has nothing to do with you

[gusty mirage]

with a DK + prot warrior + 2 boomkins

[lament warren]

it's

warrior has aoe kick taunt

[keen spruce]

[lament warren]

for every platform

and dk has abom

[keen spruce]

got webbed in p2 both times for the full 30

[gusty mirage]

I mean

we have 1 prot warrior

and 1 DK

and they were on the same platform

[lament warren]

ya im saying

them not being on the same platform

is the play

them being on the same platform is dumber than kurog 4heal

[gusty mirage]

wanna hear the best part?

[keen spruce]

[lament warren]

ya

[gusty mirage]

we have a prot pally

🙂

[lament warren]

idk what that class does

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

AOE INTERRUPTS

[keen spruce]

it silences everything

[lament warren]

avenger's shield doesn't interrupt anymore

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

afaik

[keen spruce]

with their shield

[lament warren]

they removed that

in df

i thought

[gusty mirage]

nah they brought it back

[keen spruce]

no they didn't

[gusty mirage]

it was a bug apparently

in prepatch

[keen spruce]

or they did then they didn't

[gusty mirage]

or some shit

[lament warren]

ah ic

[keen spruce]

I learned this week 1 in SMBG

[gusty mirage]

bubble taunt still doesn't work properly

[keen spruce]

when they interrupted all of the dominators and killed everyone trying to pull

[dark token]

We did one platform was unholy dk abom and the other platform was blood dk grip

[gusty mirage]

as I found out from dathea rearranges my insides through my butthole

[dark token]

[keen spruce]

our only DK might be switching to resto shaman so we can actually live through rot damage

[lament warren]

dk heals more

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt venture]

how pog would it be to grab that 3rd point in zoldyck in the DTB build?

wish lol

[keen spruce]

if you din't have a puzzle box or run exang it's good

just don't tell whispyr

[burnt venture]

I have both :/ rip

😄

[keen spruce]

i just leave my puzzle box in my bank so the sims can't tell me to use it

[gusty mirage]

so their solution

is swapping to the worst healer in the game not named disc priest?

[keen spruce]

well idk what healer, he just has a rsham already

and it doesn't matter what healer he plays

it'll be better than the healer we have

[gusty mirage]

tbf they did buff rsham dam

so maybe it's a decent balance?

[feral rivet]

Yeah they're pumping dmg now

[lament warren]

i was going to enter my ret paladin era and then i learned they play seraphim

i'm so lost..

[feral rivet]

And heals better too, but prolly not enough (only played with a friends rsham in a few 20s)

[dire lodge]

which rogue spec is this?

[gusty mirage]

just wait a month

10.0.7

[lament warren]

canyou finish balnace of power in a month

[gusty mirage]

YEAR OF THE RET

I can't even remember

all I remember is starting it on an alt in bfa

and saying fuck that

[feral rivet]

You can

[lament warren]

i did it on dk

when it was current

[gusty mirage]

so glad its not account bound yet

what a wonderful decision

[feral rivet]

I did it on 2 alts in SL, didnt take a month

[lament warren]

does the questline change at all

per class

or

is there really just no excuse

[feral rivet]

But they had the rep already since legion days

[lament warren]

for not

[feral rivet]

Its the same

[lament warren]

cringe

that's so cringe

[gusty mirage]

so's the fact that its not account wide

[feral rivet]

The technology just wasnt there yet.

[autumn frost]

How does the flaming cowl interact with our acrobatic strikes?

[lament warren]

doesnt

u gotta hug mobs

[feral rivet]

Get a wa to track cowl range :p

Its 3y

[autumn frost]

ugh... proper play dictates hitting at max range

[strange python]

Nerf raz

Thx

[lament warren]

nerf wat

sparks

sparks and winds are too strong

[strange python]

Winds

I'm bored of random p1 wipes while I'm chilling

Also the cast time on intermission adds under 30% could be doubled. It's omegacringe when they're casting through a breath

[balmy condor]

Can you gouge sparks

They did too quick in heroic

I can’t tell if it’s me or not

[indigo pollen]

if you can fear them i bet

[marble hemlock]

yeah but their front is fucked up

so its kinda

not easy to find their front

basically have to randomly cast, see if you get lucky, if not shadowstep (which you need for winds) and run through to gouge etc... by then a mage or shaman will have taken care of it already and you get a new one and you once again dont know where its facing

[gusty mirage]

yes

but hf running around them in a circle to find their front

the forgiving "front" for parries is nonexistent for gouge apparently

[runic hinge]

Positional requirements in 2023 is cringe

I’m sure pvp’ers would be up in arms if rogues could gouge from the back tho

[marble hemlock]

is there any other class

that still has them?

[ebon notch]

why run gouge tho

[marble hemlock]

tanks cant block ig

[ebon notch]

surely there's a better talent on rasz

[marble hemlock]

yeah im not even running it

its just not worth the effort

kick/kidney/blind/arcane torrent

thats all i can do to sparks and its more than enough

[hollow river]

hey homie

is the poison knife bug known?

didn't see it on the bug sheet

[indigo totem]

What bug? 🤔

[hollow river]

Poison Knife seems to reset poison stacks; specifically Wound is the only one i've paid enough attention to notice at least

[gusty mirage]

the who what now

[hollow river]

[royal lantern]

you are NOT using poison knife to hit charged cp?

[sweet dawn]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh throws bonespike

[royal lantern]

2cp is impossible to hit, ngl

having ~45% crit on your generators works slightly against you there

[balmy condor]

Reset how

Back to 0?

[hollow river]

Let me double check real quick

[indigo totem]

Tbh I don't use poison knife unless I don't have bonespike and I never run wound poison outside of pvp

[hollow river]

Yeah I don't think it'd really affect PvE unless for some reason it's also resetting Amp, which is still a pretty niche bug as PK isn't super commonly used in PvE atm

[gleaming stratus]

am i tripping or am i just randomly missing a talent point now assassination tree

[indigo totem]

Are the stacks actually resetting to zero or are they just refreshing upon reapplication via knife? That got me once

[gleaming stratus]

oh i see the problem nvm

[hollow river]

It seems to be force reapplying to 1 fresh stack

It's forcing 1 stack of Wound when using Deadly+Wound

But when using Amp+Wound it isn't resetting either

[marble hemlock]

[hollow river]

[nocturne current]

[iron vigil]

What phial is everyone using?

[indigo epoch]

Vers

[prisma cypress]

the other ones are kind of underwhelming and come with caveats

vers is solid, has a defensive component, plus it’s dirt cheap

[sonic widget]

I'm at 382 and I'm getting 30-35k on the single target dummy. Does that sound about right?

[balmy condor]

Damn that sucks wish I had poison knife bound

[balmy condor]

Sim yourself using a target dummy sim type

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

poison knife's cool

not being able to one shot explosives that was really cool

[ebon notch]

imagine AP hitting all the explosives around you

maybe that was realz' dream

[wind condor]

Sin in high keys feels so much better now that it isn’t just spam CT

[ebon notch]

isnt it still just spam ct?

[marble hemlock]

too bad it still is

[ebon notch]

[wind condor]

Shit I don’t do that and do fine in 20s, spam Env and rake the bomb procs

One CT for bleed

[marble hemlock]

you maintain envenom for the buff but you dont spam it for bombs. spamming CT is still more damage than the bombs

[ebon notch]

CT has on hit damage remember

[wind condor]

…fuckin rip:( I was having so fun just bombing over and over

[uncut echo]

Is there a way to blacklist ruby whelp shell cd from current afenar rogue package?

[ebon notch]

[marble hemlock]

dw you can still spam envenom under the pretense of prio damage

[wind condor]

Whats the target breakpoint for CT>env

[ebon notch]

just add a condition that if the trinket is equipped the alpha becomes 0%

cause you cant do exclusionary load conditions

[wind condor]

“I’m funneling rn” is gonna be my go too

[dense herald]

On >6 targs right?

[marble hemlock]

hmye

[spiral viper]

I can only use one of my hands. Play using the left-handed Razer Naga. I have a build that uses CT. But I feel like I perform the same either way. Difference is without CT I stab the boss a little bit harder. My situation is pretty unique so I'm sure I'm not exactly optimized.

[dark token]

Or only load if one of x trinkets are equip

[ebon notch]

Yea but then you need to make a bunch of trinket weakauras

[eager solstice]

Whetstone and boon good combo?

For m+

[ebon notch]

Yes

[slow viper]

Okay with the new build i'm back to being 10k under my sim on terros 😦 any help would be appreciated

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[tall atlas]

Is there any view of outlaw and sub also being updated for wow analyzer?

[lament warren]

no

the person who updated sin is a dh player

sin was a bonus

if outlaw and sub come treat them as bonuses as well

[spice spire]

Big fan of topple he a real one for this

[agile breach]

where is the macro for cold blood into ambush?

[bronze pike]

topple is based and cool :)

[spice spire]

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1050501006531772436.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

wrong channel?

[agile breach]

yeh lol sorry

[willow tendon]

So I was checking the faq and icyveins and it says to fill the last 2 slots of your lariat with crit/mast or mast/crit, does that mean 1 of each or 2 of either of those?

Or does it depend on what stats I have aka I should sim and find out?

[balmy condor]

probably won't make a difference in any of those configurations if I'm being honest

[willow tendon]

Pog

[balmy condor]

you're not going to lose like 1000 dps just because you mixed gems

if you sim it, it's probably like a 30 dps swing at best

[analog glade]

How to add Elemental Lariat with Top gear but i wanna changed the stats plz ?

[willow tendon]

Alrighty then thanks!

[analog glade]

I have added the extra item, but I can't swap the stats

And the gear compare, don't take the third gem

[balmy condor]

use gear compare to make the new lariats, then in the sim report you can find the bonus id's it used for that, take it back to top gear, replace the bonus id's

[analog glade]

Thanks mate !

[keen raven]

asa might be better than sub now in academy

[balmy condor]

uh huh

you keep thinking that

[indigo epoch]

Nice damage

Just finished lfr raz... im kind of a big deal.... ama.

[lament warren]

oh hey you gquit my guild to join idiot

how's that going

r they fun

i only know killaks

[vast iris]

Should I sync puzzlebox on deathmark, and hold puzzlebox for 1m?

or just send it on cd?

[keen raven]

yea the guild blasts

I had too many issues before with "meowdy" kekw

[lament warren]

xd

[keen raven]

just a severe lack of leadership/prep

also just felt like leaders were biased towards themselves/og raiders

but its all in da past

now I do big dam in new guild

[lament warren]

it's been known to happen

[keen raven]

na it def is

[lament warren]

i think every person on the planet has issues with meowdy

[keen raven]

sub has to choose between prio and aoe damage and the util of silence on academy is actually really nice

[rapid gyro]

new to rogue, but does anyone run out of energy ALL THE TIME

sin single target that is

aoe has no issues

[keen raven]

asa blasts tree boss/prio targs too

[vapid sierra]

you hold trinket for 1m for the third (or fourth?) dm (cant remember which)

[keen raven]

Unfort if ur running aoe build ur ST energy is just gonna feel like ass

[shut owl]

And sin doesn't choose prio vs aoe?

[keen raven]

na the only thing ur sacrificing

[vapid sierra]

no where near as close as anymore irrc

since we can take dtb+ic

[keen raven]

is 1 global to crimso tempest

and funneling evenoms

while sub u lose all ur aoe if you choose to funnel evis

[rapid gyro]

i am trying assassination in keys

which i know isn't "best", but it seems fun so far

only 375 ilvl

[shut owl]

Your just fishing for sectec though

[rapid gyro]

and rocking 2 343 crafted daggers... oof.

[vapid sierra]

sin can put up big numbers if played properly

and its hella fun in raid

the only thing i dislike about sin personally is having to manually spread/maintain rupture and garrote on targets in m+

thats a pain

[sonic widget]

Just got roped into a +10 with my guild. Timed it no prob. Brand new to m+ as rogue and I main a healer. Lol

[vapid sierra]

grats!

[sonic widget]

Haven't even done a +10 on my main yet haha.

And ty

[jade abyss]

Would it be a big thing to give garrote no cooldown?

[slow marsh]

yeah kinda

[keen raven]

idk if thatd fix anything

[shut owl]

That's what improved garrote does so prolly

[keen raven]

ud spend too many globals applying garrote IMO

[slow marsh]

we dont care about gar not having cd anyways

we care about garrote from stealth

[rapid gyro]

for every big pack you get IC though, right? so you are off one pack, on the next

haha

[shut owl]

I mean.. I like the no cd

[keen raven]

I think indiscriminate

needs to be 30s

and that solves the issue

[vapid sierra]

depends on pulls

sometimes it isnt up

and sometimes tank multipulls

[slow marsh]

IC is fine at 45 changing it to 30 doesn't do much

[vapid sierra]

its easy to say on paper but when your in the moment its different

[shut owl]

If your tank plays to it it's great

Or just run high keys

[keen raven]

they need to do that or make it so ur garrote on a new target

[slow marsh]

we still don't have a real payoff for dotting everything. we get saturated in energy and get extra agi *but no big thing to pump after that

[keen raven]

counts as if its out of stealth

[slow marsh]

garrote is perfectly fine you're looking at the wrong abiltiy

rupture needs help

[shut owl]

That agi ain't nothing on tree boss xD

[keen raven]

I dont think rupture needs help

[slow marsh]

what makes you say that

[keen raven]

it being my 2nd dam in dung

[slow marsh]

and its behind what

[keen raven]

it being behind garrote doesnt change the fact

that our damage is lokced behind stealth openers

thats the discussion

its not ab abilities being undertuned

[slow marsh]

damage being behind stealth openers is fine

sub rupture doing the same thing ours does but better and we're supposed to be the bleed spec is the problem

[shut owl]

They have one dot

[slow marsh]

yeah and i'm fine with it doing big dam as shadow. i'm not saying nerf them

i'm saying that our rupture seems a bit weak no?

our dam profile in dungeons is gar > ct > rupture and gar + ct is a lot higher generally

[shut owl]

Sins more moving parts, I don't see how rupture tuning is gonna change that

[keen raven]

ur dmg profile def shouldnt have rupture being below CT

even in academy where pulls r larger than 8 my rupture outdams it

[slow marsh]

because it would make it worth it to actually keep it up on everything outside of just energy regen

[shut owl]

If rupture was bad for sub they'd have a 2 button rotation for 30 mins

[vapid sierra]

isnt sub almost 2 buttons?

(being serious)

[keen raven]

na

[runic hinge]

It’s like 6

[slow marsh]

it's a bunch of cds then 3 buttons

[shut owl]

About 4 if you macro

[slow marsh]

you do piano keys for opener then you chill

[keen raven]

subs dps windows r actually pretty punishing if u get a mechanic or lose uptime

for ST

[shut owl]

Yeh.

[keen raven]

only reason im not a fan of it

but gotta do it for raz

[shut owl]

Never dance before rng slaps you with balls

[runic hinge]

That third boss in AV always screws me.

[shut owl]

But acro makes it less pain now

[runic hinge]

Just before I sectec it goes to middle

[shut owl]

Cuz you can sectec from a mile away

[keen raven]

I need to give asa a try in av/hov now

those r the two i wana test

only keys I think r maybe viable

[shut owl]

I like sin in nok on 17+

[neon kindle]

So whisper said to meh that the sims were the same as last weeks

That kuz all the bugs n qol?

Or did he mean somethin else

[keen raven]

yea ive debated nok but im not sure

it would align with restealths

[shut owl]

It's comfy for bosses.

[keen raven]

yea 2nd boss asa would wreck

[shut owl]

Ic makes it great

I was slapping when not 1shot by bolstered assholes

In a 20 tonight

[keen raven]

yea im giving a 24 a shot tomorrow

as asa

so we'll see

[shut owl]

GL

Shit hurts

But I'm 404 so, yknow

[keen raven]

just gotta pull right and focus breakers

[shut owl]

Not huge hp pool

[neon kindle]

#feint

[shut owl]

I did

Not the aoe killing lol

Soul rip + anything looking at you if it's bolstered is a death sentence, as are the archers at the start.

[supple snow]

How much overall dps should we pull at around 410 in dungeons ?

I know it differs just looking for an average

[keen spruce]

it can vary wildly by dugeon, gear, and group

and pulls

like enormous variation

the best i can do for you is like... more than 60k overall

if you have 4 piece

[sleek spear]

hey guys, new here. is assas the top DPS spec for single target in Vault?

[keen spruce]

depends on fight length, close to the top though

[sleek spear]

how is it compared to outlaw in single target fights?

[keen spruce]

better

[sleek spear]

assuming 4 piece, similar ilevel

[keen spruce]

but not like light years better

[magic vine]

fuu's sims are about 7k difference between sin and outlaw st

[sleek spear]

thanks ill try switching to assas then 😄

[vapid sierra]

what are you geared for tho?

that can easily sway it in one direction or another

[keen spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956040414144630935/1068743131232743464/image.png wtb a enh shaman for my guild plz

[vapid sierra]

the 12k difference in the top 3% is crazy

[keen spruce]

only real difference is we didn't have mages deleting the adds in the one from today

so i got some more fans in

windfury is cracked tho

i've been living in the slums this whole tier

[sleek spear]

im geared for outlaw now, M+ so mostly crit/vers pieces

[vapid sierra]

do you have puzzlebox/know sin as good as outlaw?

im not saying dont play sin, im just saying if your mastery is low and your geared for outlaw then outlaw will give you way better dps

i play sin and im geared for outlaw

[keen spruce]

u don't need a puzzle box for sin

it's propoganda

[vapid sierra]

its big tho

its a nice gain

or it was for me

i had shit trinks tho

[magic vine]

box is great

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-prio-rogue-glaives-wo-w-warcraft-gif-24491328

[runic hinge]

I haven’t seen a puzzle box since m0’s

[keen spruce]

no puzzle no ezang

[vapid sierra]

i got one the second alg run i was trying to farm one

[keen spruce]

exang

fk all that noise

[vapid sierra]

i hate exsang

[keen spruce]

keep your 1000 dps

[vapid sierra]

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/booo-gif-25966356

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/taters-potatoes-potato-prepare-for-war-potato-fight-gif-15609235

[keen spruce]

pretty sure i need a very large puzzle box for it to be an upgrade if I don't wanna play exang

[vapid sierra]

wait im confusioned

does puzzle help exsang

[keen spruce]

puzzle box and bleed build are like 2 ugly peas in a pod

mastery buffs bleeds, CDs line up with your exang

and you take SS and bloody mess

so bleeds are stronger

exang doesn't really line up with anything except the opener for the non-exang build

i guess your 4th deathmark

[vapid sierra]

so you want puzzlebox for bleeds

or no

[keen spruce]

no you do

bleed build + box

[vapid sierra]

perfect

[keen spruce]

is where the most value comes from

but i would rather just leave my puzzle box in the bank and not play bleed at all

and lose like 800 dps

if I ever see a 421 puzzle in my vault imma cry though

[static glacier]

Puzzlebox is simming well regardless of taking exsang or not

[lone agate]

Hey, why PuzzleBox just became rank S on 10.0.5 as it was B before ? The hell happened

[supple snow]

So what build do we play without box ? I got whetstone and current

Curious about both dungeons and ST

[balmy condor]

APL changes

builds and rotations get optimized

it be like that

[lone agate]

Can you explain APL ?

[novel arrow]

APL = Apples per Liter

[balmy condor]

action priority list, it's the thing that tells the sim how to play

[lone agate]

Ty !

[timber basalt]

Wish somebody told me how to play

[balmy condor]

I mean, that’s basically what I do

Wowhead pays me to do that

[novel arrow]

how much

[lone agate]

Press dem buttons !

[balmy condor]

An amount

Coaching is 40 usd an hour if that gives you a ballpark

[novel arrow]

Like can you buy a house or no

[balmy condor]

Oh god no

I don’t work enough hours for that

It’s like a fuck ton of work for 2-3 weeks when a patch releases

And then snooze fest until the next one

[weak isle]

And u do it all for free here

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I do the method guide too

But they don’t actually pay me enough to make it worth reporting it on my taxes

Cause it would be an additional source of income and American taxes are weird

So I do that guide for free

[weak isle]

Blessing to the community

[balmy condor]

If I reported the money I make from method, I would actually lose money

[weak isle]

Jesus

Just low payrate or shit tax system

[balmy condor]

Combo of the two

[weak isle]

Yikes

[balmy condor]

Like I ain’t gonna say numbers, but whatever wowhead pays, method is less than half

[novel arrow]

There are side jobs you can do for money. Wipes edge of mouth

[weak isle]

Ye ofc no numbers, i know how the system works

[balmy condor]

icyveins pays a cut of ad revenue from what I know

which is also entirely different

cause I just invoice hours for the other stuff

[weak isle]

F method, after their scandal no income to pay their guides

[balmy condor]

internally in the guild, the guides are a meme too

there's clips and stuff where like during prog they go "next person to wipe the raid has to write the frost dk guide" or whatever

[weak isle]

Lmfao what

Should do that myself too

Everytime u die to stupid u write ur own rogue guide

[balmy condor]

yeh

like the content creation team

is great guys

nice, friendly

good people

but I don't think they have the support internally that they deserve

idk

I just write the guide

[neat plank]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

and then they offer me a sandwich for my troubles and I'm like no thanks I'll rather stay in a lower tax bracket

and that's about it

[weak isle]

Lmfao, free sandwiches tho

[small mirage]

do i spam tempest on aoe or fish for poison bomb procs and just tempest to refresh bleed?

[balmy condor]

excellent question

this spreadsheet I made today says it doesn't matter

sin is a funny spec

nothing you do matters really

aint that fun

[small mirage]

wtf that's strange

[balmy condor]

there's an eternal koji quote

let me find it

what a spec

[weak isle]

Lmfao

Sounds fun

[balmy condor]

2.5 years ago

still holds true

has not been a single patch where it's been proven wrong

[weak isle]

Still think its a fun patchwork spec

Wish it just had m+ competition

[cinder grotto]

When do you guys use channeled trinkets in the opener? I'm playing DTB without exsan.

[wide hemlock]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cinder grotto]

Puzzle box

[static glacier]

Right before deathmark is when I use puzzlebox

[cinder grotto]

kk

[supple snow]

I guess the biggest diff is if you want prio dmg or no. Then you can choose between envenom / CT

[cinder grotto]

ty

[static glacier]

Puzzle > DM > Shiv

In sequence

[subtle tundra]

bro

you ok?

genuinely(idk if i spelt it properly) worried about you

[weak isle]

!puzzle

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[subtle tundra]

sorry if i did this to you

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

touches you

sorry

the erp in me got out

[balmy condor]

and you know what the difference was

amp poison

it's fucking amp poison

cause as you spam CT harder, you actually gain more CT damage than you lose in PB damage

it's a net positive

but now that we run amp poison

the envenom damage is actually significant enough to keep up in total

also because CT applies poisons

you can cast half as many envenoms

and applies the same or slightly more poisons than you did before

isn't that fun

[subtle tundra]

tldr is
just finish man

do a finisher

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much

if you need energy rupture

otherwise just finish

[subtle tundra]

wonder if pb hadnt been nerfed if it would've mattered

[balmy condor]

we'd probably be talking about pb fishing in aoe right now

it's just hilarious to me

cause I've had to go around in circles on this

forever

CT spam? CT sustain? Envenom Spam?

and last patch

it was fine

KB/IC?

[supple snow]

We also do garrote on aoe packs yeah?

[balmy condor]

with zold? no dashing?

easy peasy

you just CT

done deal

council? 4 target? with pb? kinda envenom but mostly CT

without pb? CT away

but now we take DTB IC

we get 2 poisons

and we get dashing

[next edge]

Arms ST is fkng scary

[balmy condor]

and now it's like

well

nothing you do matters I guess

just push buttons

[balmy condor]

yeah empowered garrotes obviously big, normal garrotes can be good for energy and quick bleed refreshes and shit

[supple snow]

Huge. Thanks

I am feeling so bad about my M+ performance. Can’t keep up

Most specs are 120k overalls I think

[balmy condor]

yeah you probably will struggle to do that outside of academy

idk

sin m+ is a lawless wasteland

I can't come up with any rules

it just doesn't care

[autumn frost]

The rule is silence everything that is casting

and gouge everything that moves.

and kidney whatever is left over

and if it's out of range blind.

oh yeah throw an interrupt or two.

[supple snow]

I am lowkey beginning to think I should just go sub for M+ but I like sin too much. 😭

[balmy condor]

It’s like use IC, Deathmark the biggest dude on the block, maintain CT, maintain envenom, then do whatever

[supple snow]

Good thing our stat prios are basically the same. At least as far as I know

[balmy condor]

Pushing shiv? Don’t have to really

Vanish? Not really needed

Ct or envenom? Doesn’t matter

Rupture for energy? Yeah I guess if you need it, or just use tea

Rupture sniping? I mean sure, if you feel like it

As Long as You’re pushing buttons you’re good to go

[supple snow]

What is rupture sniping ?

[thorn crater]

put rupture on a mob before it dies to get energy restored

also, what key what ilvl and what specs do 120kdps overall at the end of the dungeon?

legit interested

[autumn frost]

outlaw!

algethar!

20?

I've played outlaw for like 10 keys maybe during shadowlands.

[thorn crater]

and outgear it like mad?

i dno 120k overall sounds like an insane number to me

[subtle tundra]

assa

[native belfry]

Sin can do 120k in algethar as well

[subtle tundra]

but you can also play sub and do 140k

so uh

[thorn crater]

ye but im asking with what gear

[autumn frost]

I mean i'm hitting 90k in algethar on random keys. higher keys I'd hit more since things live longer for my bleeds to dps.

[subtle tundra]

i did like 115k at 405

now im 416

can do 130k probs

[thorn crater]

i assume fortified right

[subtle tundra]

dont remember

it was a 20 +2

[autumn frost]

That's assuming you don't have them dirty aoe specs eating all the aoe damage

[subtle tundra]

well in a high enough key

[autumn frost]

Also to be fair on bolstering our job isn't to do aoe damage

[subtle tundra]

those specs cant do all

[autumn frost]

it's to prio the high hp gys.

[thorn crater]

ye and we are talking high high keys

[subtle tundra]

but like

[thorn crater]

cause id assume the boss dmg would bring the avg down

[subtle tundra]

i played sub one time in algethar

[thorn crater]

i can see the aoe part of it though

[subtle tundra]

finished 200k on tree boss

so like...

why tf am i assa

[supple snow]

Last night on an 18 ( 4 man ) I did around 90k so I probably need to fix somethinf

[thorn crater]

i mean

tree is stat padding

[subtle tundra]

yea i only did 8mil something on boss

as sub

[autumn frost]

It's real nice when the tank pulls the entire place in one go

[subtle tundra]

can do 10-12 on assa

[thorn crater]

ye

i guess i havent really done algethar keys though

someone will mess up tree boss and i cba

with pugs

[autumn frost]

make sure to stack well

helps

[thorn crater]

like, if u tell me u can do 120k on hov

[autumn frost]

and tricks

[subtle tundra]

ill start playing again this month

[thorn crater]

i might as well stop playing

[subtle tundra]

idk if i should play sub or try a bit of assa

sub just seems too superior

[autumn frost]

I did 126k on a random 18 on the boss

and 136k on the trash before it

[thorn crater]

im talking about overall though

start to end of dungeon

[autumn frost]

My overall was 101 k

[balmy condor]

Some guy linked a 140k algethar on sin

Earlier

[thorn crater]

not algethar

[balmy condor]

Idk

[subtle tundra]

can any spec?

[balmy condor]

I’m doing anywhere between like 75-95

[subtle tundra]

on a high key level

[thorn crater]

thank you

faith is restored

[subtle tundra]

you cant pull big enough in hov to get that high

[thorn crater]

i thought it was a generalized comment before

that like there are specs that can consistently hit 120k dps in dungeons overall

[supple snow]

In AA ?

[balmy condor]

If you giga juice a hov you might be able to 100-110

[autumn frost]

Depends on your tank and key level

[thorn crater]

im at 70-84 and i know i can play better so that sounds legit ot me

[balmy condor]

In non-aa

[autumn frost]

if you have a giga tank who can pull everything and a group with enough stops...

you can hit giga numbers

[subtle tundra]

idk now that i can play sub i just feel like there's no point in even trying assa

[autumn frost]

Just think MDI

[balmy condor]

100-110 is pretty achievable in aa

[lament warren]

i mean if you pull every single mob in the dungeon as one big group you could probably do a pretty large amount of dps

probably pretty big if you could pull every boss at the same time too

just thinking out loud here

[balmy condor]

Ah yes

The legion m+ strats

[autumn frost]

I miss ardenweld

[balmy condor]

Legion halls of valor was legit get a tank, get an aff lock with a slow ring

[supple snow]

I’m trash then

[balmy condor]

Pull the entire fucking dungeon

And then kite that shit back to the portal

[autumn frost]

What's your ilvl? Undemand?

I wouldn't think you're trash

Also what keys are you attempting and with what classes

if you're in a group who does a lot of aoe damage

[balmy condor]

Someone has to be

[autumn frost]

then you're damage is going to shrink

*your

[supple snow]

413, I average 65 -75

[supple snow]

True

[lament warren]

the interesting thing

is that

if you pull mobs

you can go through the portal now

and i've seen them just snap

[autumn frost]

That's fine undemand

[lament warren]

so hypothetically these are possible pulls

[autumn frost]

It's enough to time 20's

[subtle tundra]

i have gained over 10 ilvls since my last assa key
so my data would be very inaccurate

[supple snow]

Then again it was me doing 4 mans so we were pulling extra careful kinda.

[autumn frost]

Yeah. That's perfectly adequate dps.

The numbers they're talking about are not extra careful pulls.

[supple snow]

Thanks for giving me hope again. 🙏

[balmy condor]

You’re welcome, if you ever need to be degraded again let me know

[subtle tundra]

yea if you want to be talked down upon

dm me

or even in public

[lament warren]

hey

[subtle tundra]

we can arrange somethiing

[supple snow]

Yikes.

[autumn frost]

You should add this to the faq btw

[balmy condor]

Yeah?

[autumn frost]

[supple snow]

😂

[balmy condor]

I’ve said worse

I’m tipsy rn

But I’ve said so much worse

[supple snow]

I believe you.

[subtle tundra]

man its leg day and its snowing i need motivation to go to the gym

[autumn frost]

I take it with dashing scoundrel you might envenom over crimson spam for higher then 6 targets maybe?

[subtle tundra]

doesnt really matter?

[autumn frost]

I've been doing a mix to be honest

trying to keep envenom buff up all the time/crimsoning every other.

[subtle tundra]

look

spreadsheet

!!

[native belfry]

Just imagine you’re playing ww and press different buttons

[balmy condor]

Numbers!

Many of them

[subtle tundra]

they must mean something

[earnest remnant]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

They do

It’s just

Scribbles of a schizo

[subtle tundra]

what they mean is that its doesnt really mean

[lament warren]

its really never been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like

[autumn frost]

I'm a bit confused on what the >x means

does that mean at x = 0 we're talking about 8 targets?

[balmy condor]

It’s all 8 target

[subtle tundra]

time left on ct

[balmy condor]

Each column from left to right refreshes CT earlier

[autumn frost]

Ah i got'cha

[lament warren]

so basically

slam rupture

[balmy condor]

The rupture number is real high

Because IC just cranks it

Super hard

[autumn frost]

Oh yeah, quick question. What's rotation for council with your council build

Just keep juggling dots between ic?

use serrated to get 6 combo point rupture?

vanish apply 4 more garrotes?

[balmy condor]

Maintain CT maintain envenom, every 45 seconds you ER-rup gar

And uh

Shiv on cd

Sbs Everything

Gg

[lament warren]

hold your second deathmark for execute

for the one boss that's 5mil hp above the others

[balmy condor]

Your council fights last that long?

[lament warren]

3 mins on mythic

[balmy condor]

Yah

Isn’t it already in execute at that point

When it comes up

[autumn frost]

Ah!

I know what i've been doing poorly.

[lament warren]

idk

maybe it is

maybe it isnt

[autumn frost]

I need to sync er and IC

[lament warren]

i play subtlety

i don't get to execute

i just get to cry

[balmy condor]

Yah they’re both 45sec

Pretty good stuff

[autumn frost]

I'll work on doing that. That'll increase my rupture damage every fight if I always make myself sync those two

[balmy condor]

It also basically gets rupture to last until the next ic

7cp is 32 seconds

With no pandemic

[lament warren]

hack

[toxic burrow]

I don't know what happened this week on H. Council. I guess folks in my guild finally learned their aoe rotations since I'm no longer first/second as sin. D:

[balmy condor]

Prolly

Our 4 target is stronger now

[toxic burrow]

Yuppers. I saw myDPS improve quite a bit with the new build even though I whiffed a part of the fight.

[lament warren]

now i wanna pug normal council

[keen elbow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[toxic burrow]

I want to try LFR out again now that I have a Grieftorch. I've seen the way folks fuck up. That thing will probably get to pump. On Raz at least.

[manic walrus]

When i exsang i let thr bleed fall off before immediately reapply correct? To make sure i got the faster ticks throughout the dot

[balmy condor]

Yep

Exsang bleeds tick to the end

[manic walrus]

Ty

[toxic burrow]

Refreshing mindlessly at one second. "Wait, why did I do that?"

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean that’s fine

Just don’t refresh the moment your pandemic glow pops

[toxic burrow]

That would definitely make for a sad garrote moment.

[keen spruce]

I think we made into the undercover raid lead vid

[balmy condor]

Nerf rogue

[subtle tundra]

I think I saw a clip of shroud playing with max

Was I tripping?

[lament warren]

no

[feral rivet]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1720436784?t=09h07m11s 😄

[keen spruce]

i think like 3-4 stream rats got in there before they blew it up with pumpers

[keen spruce]

shroud is playin enh in his alt guild

[subtle tundra]

Hey more publicity for wow is good

[lament warren]

4t sin is juggling plates

[subtle tundra]

For like 10 seconds lol

Every minute or so

It's not bad

[lament warren]

very overwhelming

[ashen rover]

This is a call for help please

[peak bobcat]

That’s it?

Only 42?

[ashen rover]

For now

[keen spruce]

casual

[peak bobcat]

My brother in Christ we had to farm that every patch last expansion

[ashen rover]

Lmao