assassination

[thorn fjord]

8 min fight pogs

[frank axle]

on single shiv exsang ST build, do i save shif for anything or do i just push it?

[thorn fjord]

Send on cd

[lament warren]

you save a shiv for deathmark

otherwise hold on cd

[thorn fjord]

Yeah make sure you@have one for dm

[lament warren]

send*

[frank axle]

ok thx

[thorn fjord]

Dm window without shiv is very meh

[pseudo hamlet]

Was like "but it really does line up..."

[ornate topaz]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lament warren]

lmao my bad

yes you just hold exsang and puzzle box for dm

[thorn fjord]

I’ve been meaning to ask… what does your name mean @lament warren

[lament warren]

that’s a valid question

but it’s a secret

[thorn fjord]

🙃

[lament warren]

most ppl just call me alice

[thorn fjord]

When you’re ten feet tall?

White knight counting backwards something something I dunno

Toaster in the bath tub when it peaks

[lament warren]

i’m only 5’8

[thorn fjord]

Brass tax how much for monkey

3 different references there… my jokes are meta

[royal lantern]

[median mango]

yeah not happening 😄

[lament warren]

sin not good on that fight

not anymore

[ornate topaz]

can anyone share the new assa build for council ? the one with Arterial Precision

found it on Wowhead 😉

[grim tangle]

I am a council expert

[gusty mirage]

its okay you're still my favorite non-RWF german rogue who doesn't own a cat named nova

[royal lantern]

BMQAIZzTVWTdeIjpELmb7f1T3SLJSSSiElEAAAAAAAJBgIAAAAAAASDJSJJIJJpEIJkIEJJA

[lament warren]

i’m just a perma 99 gamer

[royal lantern]

why do you have 100 with 144k dps, and i have 99 with 152k dps

[gusty mirage]

because his is older than yours

duh

my former r1 normal council kill

[grim tangle]

I was benched this week :(

[gusty mirage]

is now 95th

[grim tangle]

it's so old now

[bitter cargo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

same

[feral rivet]

yeah i went from 141k to 161k today compared to last time i tried sin on council even though i had to run a bit cause a DH was trolling with marks on purpose, at least we have one use for the new capstone...

[gusty mirage]

a DH trolling with marks?

I'm shocked

[feral rivet]

😄

[gusty mirage]

UNGA BUNGA MOMENTUM players?

noooo

[feral rivet]

he was telling me prepull he would chase me every time he got mark

[muted ridge]

am I tweaking. was this always the opener for DTB? I was always going Garrote > SND > Garrote > SBS > Rupture > Ecohing > Rupture into exsang item + dm and rest.

[feral rivet]

and did

[royal lantern]

ME DH

ME GET MARK

ME FELRUSH TO PILLAR

[gusty mirage]

NOW EVERYONE ELSE GET MARK

[royal lantern]

ME DID MECHANIC, THAT MEANS ME GOOD

[thorn fjord]

y'all actually do mechanics on council?

[gusty mirage]

thank god you can outgear council where its just a meme

the last 3 kils

we've done it with like

14 marks out

[muted ridge]

or is it jsut sim rotation

[thorn fjord]

I havent ran M Council going on 3 weeks now

[gusty mirage]

that's because the sim calculated that rupture is long enough to just go into the rest of the rotation

[thorn fjord]

Whisp trinket hasnt dropped from mythic at all for us lol... got alot of sad people

[gusty mirage]

I'm assuming that's without exsang?

[gusty mirage]

we haven't had one in weeks

I won the last one

[royal lantern]

we saw it once

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

im still rocking a norma torch btw

🙂

[gusty mirage]

legit

first 3 weeks

we dropped like 8

across all difficulties

[thorn fjord]

Thats huge luck

[gusty mirage]

haven't seen one since lmao

we started memeing about it being rare

[thorn fjord]

That was us with rings and i didnt get one

Now they dont exist

I bet there was a ninja nerf to those "super rare" items

[gusty mirage]

imma will one into existence for you

I've watched the secret

CMON UNIVERSE

HELP MY BOY OUT

[thorn fjord]

It didnt drop off heroic or mythic yesterday... so we're back to box prayers for the next week

[echo heath]

manifest the ring!

[gusty mirage]

I've found giving up helps a lot

because I gav eup on the ring and was ready to upgrade my algethar ring

[feral rivet]

we had out first eranog mythic ring today and our first council mythic trinket today

[gusty mirage]

and then it dropped

and my RL scooped it to me

[feral rivet]

just in time to start extending this week

[gusty mirage]

oh god

the pain

I hope we kill dathea tonight

so we perma extend

[feral rivet]

same

[thorn fjord]

i THINK im next in line for the mythic one but who knows with how our loot council operates

[gusty mirage]

until I can quit

LOL

I'm never doing that boss again

whatever I parse on it, is my parse forever

[gusty mirage]

want me to write a letter to your RL with my firm's letterhead threatening a lawsuit for intentional infliction of emotional distress?

I gotchu fam

[thorn fjord]

I get sat on all re kills except eggnog and sennarth now

[gusty mirage]

I got the template already

just gotta drop in the names

[thorn fjord]

lolol

i think he's in the server let me @ him

[gusty mirage]

[muted ridge]

with exsang

hence why I am confused

[gusty mirage]

yeah it prolly just calculated that it was "long enough" to just send the rest of it

if you're ER -> Rupture -> Exsanging

you're doing it right

[thorn fjord]

I send PB after the ER

[lament warren]

sims aren’t optimized for opener

[thorn fjord]

gar snd gar rupture er pb rup van gar

[muted ridge]

but should i send one envenom before ER rupture exsang?

[thorn fjord]

nah send one env before shiv+tea

[muted ridge]

so after DM

[thorn fjord]

yeah hit DM env then continue

[muted ridge]

gotcha

[thorn fjord]

you should be at 6-7 cp when you DM

[muted ridge]

eh

[gusty mirage]

also a few things to keep in mind when looking at sims:

• a 5 minute sim actually includes iterations that are 4-6 minutes so that it provides a buffer of sorts
• the sim knows exactly when the fight will end. boss is dead at that timelimit

[muted ridge]

yeah I wont

[lament warren]

you’ll be at 5 after you dm

[muted ridge]

how

[lament warren]

without kb

[muted ridge]

like

[lament warren]

vanish garrote dm

[muted ridge]

I do ER rupture Exsang into DM

[thorn fjord]

You're doing the late vanish/gar refresh then?

[muted ridge]

I do vanish gar after dm

ye

[lament warren]

garrote snd garrote sbs rupture er trinket rupture vanish garrote exsang dm shiv envenom

[muted ridge]

got it, will just replace trinket in exsang position

since i macro it

[thorn fjord]

See i exsang DM env shiv+tea

[lament warren]

you should be at 5

so shiv is 1

[thorn fjord]

Am i crazy or do i see DM giving me extra CP when i cast it?

[lament warren]

so you have a 6cp envenom next global

[royal lantern]

i exsang my DM

[lament warren]

it’s because of empowered garrote

you’re pressing dm in the empowered window

so the duplicated garrote is giving you cp

[thorn fjord]

ahhhhhh

[lament warren]

it gives you 2 bonus but not 1 from application

[thorn fjord]

i wondered why it always gave extra CP on opener but not during the actual encounter

[lament warren]

so the first garrote is 3

then dm gives you 2

[thorn fjord]

yeah thats why i usually end at 6-7

[green juniper]

guys is there a guide for enchants

[lament warren]

double sophic

avoidance

then sim rings

[gusty mirage]

^

[midnight phoenix]

At the risk of sounding so dumb

Bone spike can be on multiple right

[thorn fjord]

yee

[lament warren]

yes

[thorn fjord]

CD gets refreshed when mob dies too

[royal lantern]

watching the sub rogue do 3,3m dmg on terros with rupture alone when i did 3million

ASSA IS THE DOT SPEC BTW

🙂

🙂

[lament warren]

need more haste

[lusty surge]

just hit 2500 as sin lets go 😄

[lament warren]

gz

[vestal wren]

petition to rename rupture to nightblade

on subtlety

[lament warren]

i like the name and icon too much to agree

[dark bridge]

Night blades icon was really weird

[lament warren]

if it were just the purple dagger

id be all over it

[dark bridge]

Looks like a buff/cooldown

[royal lantern]

@vestal wren no joke man

when assa does less dmg with its bleeds then sub when its major cd is a dot amplification and it has a dot based execute

something is maybe a bit wonky

🤔

[lament warren]

i think it’s fine

it’s just one bleed

it’s not like priest with holy sw:p being stronger than shadow

[oak sky]

Shadow isnt really a dot spec

[royal lantern]

thats every healer

healers have high base dmg spells cus they have no dmg amps and stuff

[oak sky]

Holy fire cranks bro

[lament warren]

holy isn’t a dps spec

[royal lantern]

r druid moonfire does more dmg then boomkins moonfire aswell

and mw monk tigerpalm more then ww

thats all healers, they have high base dmg so they can actually kill stuff

[lament warren]

spriest should be a dot spec

[oak sky]

Bro prevoker does like 20k wirh just fire breath and living flame spam

[lament warren]

chad acid rain enjoyer

[oak sky]

Ripbozo vesper totem

[vestal wren]

it might make sense for rupture to do even more damage on sub

but simply comparing one spell to a other without more context is fairly useless

[oak sky]

Rupture is an enabler on sin as it currently stands

Main value is scent and vw

Imo its damage is still too low but like whatever

[lament warren]

lethal dose!

just want bod sin back

[oak sky]

I want competitive cleave

[royal lantern]

i want a hug

(and competitive cleave)

[vestal wren]

sin and outlaw are fairly close on 2 target cleave

(sub is quite a bit behind)

[oak sky]

Ok

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

that's all it was in BFA

it lasted like 8s

and buffed eviscerate

[vestal wren]

2 target cleave:
sub(blue)
sin(green)
outlaw(red)

[gusty mirage]

I can't remember if nightblade actually did any damage

my memory of it was legit just a buff to evisc damage

[vestal wren]

it did initially the same damage as rupture

then got reworked into being a "damage amp" mid legion

[oak sky]

Oh low key sin can get an extra talent for cleave now

Thats not too bad actually

[gusty mirage]

now how much does frost mage do?

[oak sky]

Kinda forgot about the patch

[gusty mirage]

😛

[vestal wren]

yes

[oak sky]

Well since ours that arent very geared did 100k on kurog this week already

[gusty mirage]

all of it

all the damage

[cyan surge]

I like the set bonus in legion that made nightblade last a very long time. Think it was NH tier.

[gusty mirage]

mage gets 5%, rogue gets a nerf to outlaw and a buff to a talent everyone forgot about for sub

[marble hemlock]

did same dam as rupture but as shadow damage instead of physical and had a much shorter duration (think it was 14sec at 6cp?)

[gusty mirage]

makes sense

I came back at the end of legion

[oak sky]

Then you have to press it a lot

[gusty mirage]

so I never got to see the original

[oak sky]

Wack

[gray hazel]

Have you guys done the new shiv talent for m+? if so, how do you like it on fort weeks?

[vestal wren]

it was same duration due to tier set

it was lower duration because it got changed to have damage cp independent

[marble hemlock]

well, it existed for 2expansions, only 1 tier had the set bonus

[vestal wren]

while assassination had cp dependency on damage

[cyan surge]

I think in cata evis refreshed rupture for sub.

[marble hemlock]

rupture ap scaling was removed during nighthold tho

[vestal wren]

but rupture on assassiantion was also changed later to be cp independent

[marble hemlock]

or end of nighthold

[vestal wren]

yes

you could argue that nightblade was a damage amp for the majority of its existence

but i don't think rupture on subtlety should change to be a damage amp again, but just renamed to have a clear distinction between the 2 specs

[marble hemlock]

yeah

you basically just

spread nightblade outside of dance

then ripped evis on NB targets during dance

at least in early BfA in aoe

was kinda nice actually

[lament warren]

i do think the nightblade icon is super sick but it does not fit the criteria for a dot

[vestal wren]

bfa had nights vengence that allowed some use trickery

[gusty mirage]

man

[royal lantern]

AP has a fitting icon imo

[gusty mirage]

azerite armor could've been so good

what was jeff hamilton thinking

[royal lantern]

a guy that is screaming, just like me when i see it and yell "why is this a talent???"

[next edge]

Oxi

first time i do opener i nraid

without wathching on other screen

and i dotn fuck up

[gusty mirage]

exsang your DM

live your best life

[lament warren]

exsang dm = better parse

that's just how that works

[gusty mirage]

harder to mismanage a shorter DM window

[next edge]

i did twice

and i wanted to kms

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

if you exsang your dm

shiv lasts the whole dm

[thorn fjord]

pog

[lament warren]

that's 100% efficiency

[gusty mirage]

speaking of bad life hacks

if you buy protein bars that taste like shit

and eat one every time you're hungry

you'll lose so much weight

[lament warren]

LMAOOOO

have you ever made ramen that's so spicy you can't slurp it

[gusty mirage]

I haven't tried that

[lament warren]

it hurts

[terse orchid]

It gave us (stacking) shrouded suffocation so its legacy is untouchable in my eyes

[gusty mirage]

but I'm currently trying the protein bar one by accident

[lament warren]

i ran out of the oil that i usually use

and now i'm using some like

3x hotter one

and i slurp the noodles and i just start coughing

[gusty mirage]

I was so hungry 10 minutes ago

[thorn fjord]

im hungry but have no appetite

[gusty mirage]

now I want to throw up

[thorn fjord]

sick life 😦

[lament warren]

:'c

[gusty mirage]

idk who invented this flavor of protein bar

but they need to be imprisoned

[thorn fjord]

Which one is it

[gusty mirage]

it's the quest double chocolate one

and it's gross

idk why I even bought it I don't like chocolate

[thorn fjord]

ohhh yeah those are bad

[gusty mirage]

holy shit I'm dumb

[thorn fjord]

these?

[royal lantern]

im white, thats every single slightly spicy ramen mate lol

[gusty mirage]

yep

tastes like mud

10/10 for weight loss though

so effective

[oak sky]

My friend likes the mint ones

[gusty mirage]

I no longer wish to eat anything ever again

[main vessel]

Howdy, I sent this to Whispyr, but WoWAnalyzer now has basic support for Assassination Rogues.

[thorn fjord]

orly?

[gusty mirage]

I've heard, you're doing gods work

[thorn fjord]

Thats sick

[terse orchid]

What's that

[main vessel]

It just got deployed about 5 minutes ago, so feel free to run some logs through it and let me know thoughts.

[thorn fjord]

you can upload a log and it'll tell you where you can improve

[gusty mirage]

it was a website that popped up that would analyze your logs and tell you how you could improve

[terse orchid]

Oh shit, that's nice

[gusty mirage]

but lack of manpower made it kinda fade into obscurity

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i remember trying to use it during BFA

[lament warren]

LMAO

[terse orchid]

So now we don't need to be publicly shamed in here?

[royal lantern]

"stop using exsan on your dm"

[lament warren]

i actually like those

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

i once got like

[thorn fjord]

cap

[lament warren]

a bag of 20 protein bars

and i ate them all in like 2 days

[main vessel]

Some things still aren't quite implemented yet, so you'll still need manual log review, but it can at least tell you things like "stop pressing Fan of Knives on ST"

[thorn fjord]

its like eating cardboard or paper mashay (I cant spell)

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/029ab164d2294c0dacd1720183f3f54b.png

not eve na single 100

on nm bosot today

im shit

[lament warren]

bad player

[next edge]

Review me @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

wowanalyzer.com bro

did you not hear the man

[terse orchid]

buy health food
eat unhealthy amount
???
profit

[lament warren]

LMAOOO

[next edge]

I mean

[lament warren]

me too

[next edge]

im shit

[next edge]

holy fuck

another bad player

smh my head

Since i got CoS ring and puzzle 408 +

[lament warren]

i think we're all bad here

[next edge]

sub is deadge to me

[gusty mirage]

damn wowanalyzer is telling me my ER'd envenoms are bad

I suck dude

😦

[lament warren]

my guild private logs

what now

[gusty mirage]

I feel like implementing the ER stuff

[terse orchid]

Gotta get better at pooling, duh

[gusty mirage]

is a pain in the ass

[grim tangle]

private logging is so cringe

[gusty mirage]

boys we're gaming

[main vessel]

I just went off the "Top 10 things people get wrong, you won't believe number 6" from Whispyr

[lament warren]

ah yeah

[thorn fjord]

im actually a true shitter

[lament warren]

it does count animecharged points as low cp finishers

doesn't it

[thorn fjord]

dont @ me

[gusty mirage]

tbh this stuff solves like 90% of the issues with some people's logs

[lament warren]

holy

[gusty mirage]

killing it 😄

[gusty mirage]

show off

[terse orchid]

@thorn fjord

[lament warren]

:3

[main vessel]

it's certainly possible, I haven't dived too deep into how the resource changes occur with rogue abilities

[lament warren]

so

what happens is that when you animacharge combo points

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

you get three independent buffs on your character

i can get you those ids

[main vessel]

Please, that'll make setting up some amount of tracking easier

[lament warren]

it tells you which combo point is animacharged based on metadata

[gusty mirage]

yo this is actually insanely better

than it has been in like

[lament warren]

so it's really as simple as if you have that buff and you send that many cp

[gusty mirage]

6 years

[lament warren]

it's actually worth 7

[gusty mirage]

holy shit

[main vessel]

[lament warren]

i'll grab

[gusty mirage]

now I can tell you guys to go wowanalyzer and leave me alone

[lament warren]

i'm logging in rn

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

2 CP: 323558
3 CP: 323559
4 CP: 323560
@main vessel

[main vessel]

[lament warren]

that's with resounding clarity

i'm not sure how echoing reprimand functions without it

[gusty mirage]

one more suggestion

[lament warren]

if it's able to animacharge cp before or after 2 and 4

[main vessel]

You'd only get 1 Animacharged CP without Resounding Clarity, yes?

[lament warren]

yes

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[lament warren]

but I'm not sure where it can land

[gusty mirage]

I think it's randomly one of the 3 slots

[lament warren]

ah

then those buff ids will still work fine

[gusty mirage]

assassination vibes

[main vessel]

So just to echo back: if you have 1 Animacharged CP, it's on the 2nd CP slot, and you spend 2 CPs, that acts like 7 CPs?

[lament warren]

how does wowanalyzer parse buffs?

correct

any animacharged combo point spent acts as a 7 point finisher

[main vessel]

Does the 7 changed based on your max CP or is it always 7 regardless

[lament warren]

which also means the pandemic time for rupture is increased

[gusty mirage]

always 7

[lament warren]

always 7

[main vessel]

[gusty mirage]

and I wouldn't bother implementing non-resounding ER

because if someone's playing that, not even wowanalyzer can help them

[upbeat hazel]

hello fellow assa players, how should i open on sennarth?

[lament warren]

implementing resounding ER implements non-resounding on its own

so

it's pretty pog

[main vessel]

ngl, non-resounding is already implemented

[lament warren]

oh that's really really easy then

just two more buff ids to compare

[gusty mirage]

damn wowanalyzer

[lament warren]

I garrote spider garrote small spider

and then I just go into normal

with a 6 cp snd

instead of a 3cp snd

[gusty mirage]

this is actually exciting af

[main vessel]

this can also be caused by me not putting spells you're casting in the spellbook

[gusty mirage]

WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE HYPE ABOUT THIS

[lament warren]

i send the 2cp rupture from sbs

because it will pandemic anyway with er

[gusty mirage]

nah I for sure forgot about torrent

lmao

[upbeat hazel]

hm

[lament warren]

but

[main vessel]

examples of things that aren't in the spellbook include puzzle box, grieftorch

[lament warren]

honestly

[upbeat hazel]

is it worth to garrote the small dude

[lament warren]

just ignore the small spider

i mean

[upbeat hazel]

he dies in 0.00001 sec yeha

[lament warren]

technically yes

but it's not big

[gusty mirage]

omg

the timeline is better than WCLs

THANK YOU

GOD

[upbeat hazel]

im currently garrote spider snd garrote boss into normal

maybe i should snd after 2nd garrote then

[lament warren]

nah

garrote after first

i'm not a good player

[upbeat hazel]

ur the 2nd best rogue

wdym

[gusty mirage]

yes you are

[lament warren]

you want to garrote after first so that your second garrote + sbs will give full rupture

[gusty mirage]

you're my fav player

[lament warren]

because actually i was wrong and 2cp rupture does not pandemic

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

so good opener on sennarth is

garrote small spider -> snd -> garrote sennarth -> sbs -> rupture -> er -> trinket -> rupture -> vanish -> garrote -> exsang -> deathmark -> shiv + tea -> envenom

sbs on small spider is not worth it

[gusty mirage]

this is really cool and I'm excited for more @main vessel and if there's anything I can provide to help out let me know 😄

[lament warren]

if it's still alive after you envenom

your raid sux

[main vessel]

I currently have it set to check if you're casting Envenom with 5s left in Rupture duration to help ensure people aren't letting Rupture drop; is 5s a good number there?

[lament warren]

no

rupture pandemic range scales based off of combo points

[main vessel]

It's not terribly easy to check how many CPs were spent on a specific Rupture

[lament warren]

so you might want to dynamically adjust based on the next rupture sent

couldn't you reuse the logic for the animacharged implementation?

[main vessel]

I can record every rupture cast

[lament warren]

since that has to track how many cp was sent

the pandemic is relative to the next rupture you cast

so you have to compare the cast rupture with the dot that was already up

[main vessel]

It has to track the number spent on a cast, not on how many were spent given a buff existing on the target

[lament warren]

hm

thatis hard

but

[lament warren]

you have rupture duration here

you can track how many cp you spent on a cast

can you combine the logic?

[main vessel]

the only issue with relying on the rupture duration there is that I'd need to backtrack to the previous refreshbuff or applybuff event to get the duration off of that

[lament warren]

would you have to backtrack

couldn't you store it as a property on the npc id

[upbeat hazel]

i was kinda close to this pogpog

thanks

[lament warren]

since you can only have one non-dm rupture on the target at any given time

[main vessel]

let me grab the snippet rq

[shut owl]

as long as you're rupturing with more than 3CP isn't your pandemic window always gonna be at least 5 seconds?

[lament warren]

yes

[upbeat hazel]

yeah i didnt sbs before the 1st rupture

because im bad

[lament warren]

you gain 4 seconds of rupture per combo point, min 8 seconds

so

[subtle tundra]

why is it not giving me the buy with gold option

[lament warren]

30% * 8 = 2.4
30% * 12 = 3.6
30% * 16 = 4.8
30% * 20 = 6
30% * 24 = 7.2
30% * 28 = 8.4
30% * 32 = 9.6 (animacharged)

i actually did something similar to this when i was tracking demonic appetite

[subtle tundra]

ok it worked

[shut owl]

soooo, as long as you're running more than 3cp on a rupture, your pandemic window is gonna be 5s or greater, from the standpoint of a placeholder for rotation assistance

[thorn fjord]

Optionn showed up when you clicked reactivate now? @subtle tundra

[lament warren]

well it's not "or greater"

it's or lesser

which is where you'd run into the problems

because on a 6 cp rupture 8 seconds is pandemic

but on a 3 second rupture 5s isn't even pandemic

[subtle tundra]

no i had to go to realms and the back to my characters

[shut owl]

am I wrong in reading that this is a tool to tell you to rupture rather than envenom when its getting close to re-upping bleed time?

[lament warren]

yes

[chrome elk]

yoooo no xang simmed better for me

[lament warren]

based

@main vessel you could store the duration of the last casted rupture on a target and then you could adjust your refresh parameter based on that?

[chrome elk]

im guessing you need 4pc for xang ?

[main vessel]

  private onCast(event: CastEvent) {
    let timeLeftOnRupture = 0;
    // target is optional in cast event, but we know Envenom cast will always have it
    if (event.targetID !== undefined && event.targetIsFriendly !== undefined) {
      timeLeftOnRupture = this.ruptureUptimeAndSnapshots.getTimeRemaining(
        event as TargettedEvent<any>,
      );
    }
    const acceptableTimeLeftOnRupture = timeLeftOnRupture >= MIN_ACCEPTABLE_TIME_LEFT_ON_RUPTURE_MS;
    // ...
  }

  // ...
  getTimeRemaining(event: TargettedEvent<any>): number {
    const uptimes = this.getUptimesForTarget(event);
    if (uptimes.length > 0) {
      const latestUptime = uptimes[uptimes.length - 1];
      return Math.max(0, latestUptime.expectedEnd - event.timestamp);
    } else {
      return 0;
    }
  }

this gets run whenever Envenom gets cast. I have a thing setup currently linking the cast and any applydebuff/refreshdebuff events that occur within 200ms of the cast, which lets me do things like "when this debuff was applied, how many CPs were spent to apply it". the issue that I'd need to solve here for "what's the pandemic window on this specific debuff application" is more or less "I'm casting Envenom on a target who has Rupture applied. I need to look up the applydebuff/refreshdebuff for Rupture that happened most recently on the target, then use that applydebuff/refreshdebuff to get the cast to get the CPs spent to calculate the pandemic duration"

I just need to store more info than I'm storing now

[lament warren]

yeah

you could store the duration based on combo points

which is p much just a switch

and since you will deal with animacharged combo points before you deal with this

it should kinda Just Work™️

[main vessel]

aye

I'm making notes of all of this to add to it, just need to do some other tweaks to WoWA first.

[lament warren]

for sure \:D/

feel free to ask anything else you'd want to know

ty for maintaining it ^-^

[lament warren]

i made a pandemic conversion table here

[thorn fjord]

@main vessel doing Gods work

[lament warren]

but it's just 4 seconds per cp and 1.2 on the pandemic

[royal lantern]

why did you not take a shower yesterday

[lament warren]

i did actually

yesterday was the one day i did take a shower

[royal lantern]

no you didnt when i watched you

[thorn fjord]

weird

[lament warren]

i'm able to move my body so fast that it can appear that i'm two places at once

[vestal wren]

what is that needed for?

[lament warren]

just to explain the mechanics

you can just do the math on total rupture duration

it's just holdover from teaching instincts stuff

[vestal wren]

its just duration x 0.3

[lament warren]

i'm overly verbose when i explain

bc sometimes there are people who do not always understand things in just one way

so I like to have multiple interpretations of the same information if it can be confusing in any way

[vestal wren]

haha

i had people ask for dynamic pandemic timers on rupture in weakauras

but i think thats a terrible idea

[lament warren]

it's way way way harder to do in real time

[vestal wren]

as you would not see when you are in pandemic when on low-ish cp

[lament warren]

have the benefit here of only comparing backwards

[vestal wren]

it is easy to make it dynamic in weakauras

but it makes no sense because you hide informaiton from yourself

[lament warren]

yeah

i agree

i think just always show mid-cp range

realistically you don't refresh immediately on pandemic anyway

you never refresh exsanged dots for ex

and sometimes

your rupture can be at 8 seconds

and you can be mid-shiv

and you can have 6cp

[oak sky]

I like having the lowest normal rotational pandemic range

[lament warren]

and you;'d rather just send that on an envenom

so actually

[thorn fjord]

i get lazy and refresh exsang rupture at like 3 seconds

[vestal wren]

thats how i go about it

[thorn fjord]

because i cant wait

[lament warren]

@main vesselthis thought experiment meant nothing

and 5 is probably actually just fine

😄

[raw marlin]

I am making another dagger today so I can finally try ass out without some fuckdd setup 🙏🏻

[lament warren]

but

sims will refresh the rupture in shiv

so

ymmv

[toxic burrow]

The next time the rl tells me to go up on Dathea, I'm just going to feign ignorance or act like I didn't hear him. I asked him if he was serious last night and it was such a eadte if uptime. @_@

[lament warren]

fuck it

assert dominance on the enemy boss damage taken meter

[royal lantern]

hc or mythic?

[main vessel]

tbh the reason I went with 5s is to make sure you have enough globals to be able to get a 5-6 CP Rupture off

[toxic burrow]

Heroic. So they don't live for very long, and our crew of DHs, paladin, and a hunter erase them so quickly.

[thorn fjord]

Yeah on HC theres no reason the sin rogue shouldnt be just staying on main platform

[royal lantern]

bruh

fuck him then lol

stay on platform and do boss

[thorn fjord]

Yeah bro stay on the boss

[lament warren]

yeah

5 is fine

you only need 2-3 globals to get 5-6cp rupture

[toxic burrow]

Big time. The only time I'd ever go up in the past is if several DPS of that group died.

[lament warren]

bc muti is 2 and seal fate

[main vessel]

need to allow some breathing room in case logs are inaccurate too

I've seen some things with how logs happen

[lament warren]

just make sure you remove the "Combo Point" CPM

[thorn fjord]

Think I’m gonna just skip lunch and keep chain smoking

🙃

[lament warren]

i mean

it's a good aesthetic

tbh

[thorn fjord]

My aesthetic is the loud weird IT dude

[lament warren]

you have the chance

chain smoking is your way out

[thorn fjord]

I wish I could smoke pot on my lunch breaks

But I’m at a pharmacy so that would be a big no no

[thorn wadi]

Guys is the flaring cowl something to consider even if i dont intend on raiding so i will never have the rings?

[thorn fjord]

It’s still a dps increase over dagger emb

You can sim it though to see what the gains would be for you

[royal lantern]

yes

cowl by itself is like, 0,1% behind weapon embelishments

soooo, grab it just for that juicy 418 ilvl head

[thorn wadi]

i had doubts only cuz it forces shoudler tier with bad stats but the sim is running so ill know for sure soon

already have a 415 head from first week tho D:

[fleet raft]

Hello! I wanted to get some advice on my stat weights what should I get more of if not drop?

[thorn fjord]

Sim it

[deft scroll]

just did a +19 cos...assa just feels so wrong in m+, energy starved out of hell and super low boss and low target dmg.
And I was so hyped 😦

[fleet raft]

only asking here in case but sims had this up so wanted to ask just in case o7

[thorn fjord]

I wouldnt worry too much about secondary stats either way... If you want to know what gear to hunt for just use droptimizer

[minor rover]

agreed

[subtle tundra]

could it be a skill issue

[thorn fjord]

never

[teal bloom]

99% parse on heroic sennarth Pog

[ornate valley]

nice

[ornate topaz]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ornate valley]

janisss how much do you sim?

[winged veldt]

Whats everyones take on alliance races?

[ornate valley]

if I have exsang on target, and I refresh my dots

[teal bloom]

I think it's around 73k but I got 1 pi during fight but missing monk and dh buffs

[vestal cliff]

When should i use storm eaters boom trinket in the Rotation? With deathmark ?

[grim tangle]

alliance cringe

[ornate valley]

is it normal that deathmark is so low

[oak sky]

Yeah

[ornate valley]

while heere its so high?

[oak sky]

Most of the value is from duplicating rupture and garrote

Which is displayed separate on details

[teal bloom]

It's just the dot, the poison and bleed duplications aren't included

in details

[ornate valley]

if I sim like 68k dps, what can I expect actually on raid like -20%? or I should actually make it close to 100%?

[oak sky]

Pretty close

Depends on raid buffs though

[ornate valley]

I have no chances to get PI

[willow sundial]

Is my wa broken, or do we only have 6 cp now? with DTB

[ornate valley]

guild master always get it xD

[oak sky]

Pi isnt a raid buff

[teal bloom]

PI isn't included in sim value. but things like windfury totem, monk/demon hunter debuffs, druid vers buff are

[limber lion]

"only"?

That's always been the maximum for us.

We have never had access to 7cp.

[willow sundial]

Dunno why my brain thinks I used to have 7

[limber lion]

Sub does

[teal bloom]

sub and outlaw can have 7

[ornate valley]

janisss could you have look at my log and say what I am doing wrong?

[willow sundial]

Argh

thats prolly why

mb

but ty

[limber lion]

Yeh

Np

[teal bloom]

I think here are better people than me for that. Type !Log and link your logs so someone good can look at them

[ornate valley]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ctmh7Yj64d1V2QNv#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=3

[teal bloom]

hmm shouldn't that make a thread..

[lament warren]

try logs

[ornate valley]

!logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ctmh7Yj64d1V2QNv#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=3

[thorn fjord]

yeah do it without the link and it should open a thread

where you post the link

[ornate valley]

!log

!logs

[teal bloom]

wtf

[ornate valley]

lol

[lament warren]

ok bot dead

[thorn fjord]

🤷‍♂️

[ornate valley]

I broke da machine

[teal bloom]

yeah something is broken

[lament warren]

anyway

gear bad

you're puzzle boxing in the wrong place

your rupture and garrote uptime could be better

92% and 93% respectively

you have 7 casts of bone spike

but you can get 10 over the course of the fight

you can just start slamming them when the fight is going to end

you sent exsang on cd which is good

[teal bloom]

you have pretty bad weapon enchants that is probably like 1 to 2k dps decrease compared to sophic devotion

[ornate valley]

IM poor, I use sophic writ atm

I thoguht bone spike was only to be used to not over cap CP

[ornate valley]

you mean like ILVL?

[shell kraken]

Do you mean one should pusselbox before bonespike?

[teal bloom]

Also you have no enchants on legs and chest. If you get more gold make sure you buy some

they give stats

[shell kraken]

Not before dm?

[lament warren]

you didn't save a shiv for your second deathmark

also

[thorn wadi]

incase you were interested

[teal bloom]

he's not playing light weight shiv but idk if there are shiv hold conditions for deathmark

[lament warren]

also

you thistle tea when you have a lot of energy

[royal lantern]

im only interested in DN

[lament warren]

you wasted 59 energy on thistle pressing it here

which is more than half of its value

you used potion on your second deathmark

instead of your first with lust

at the very end you kinda held this blindside when you should have sent the ambush

[frigid pilot]

Terros parse ruined

Heals

[teal bloom]

You seem to use finishers at 4CP or below a lot

[lament warren]

@ornate valley

[distant mesa]

anyone tried the AP talent build in M+?

[flint tusk]

just cloak 4Head

[frigid pilot]

Was on cd from smash before

[flint tusk]

i will say that is the most annoying mechanic.

[ornate valley]

yes Im reading it all

[flint tusk]

can feitn the initial hit but if you don't get healed you're dead regardless

[lament warren]

most of these mistakes are pretty small

except for the finishers

you always want to be spending at 5 or 6 combo points

to sum it up

[ornate valley]

box should go with exsang or deathmark?

[lament warren]

-- Use potion in the opener or with lust
-- Use Puzzle Box after you use Echoing Reprimand in the opener
-- Save a shiv for Deathmark
-- !! Only cast finishers at 5/6 CP
-- Don't Thistle Tea if you're going to waste energy (outside of the opener)
-- refresh Garrote and Rupture earlier, 92%/93% is about 4-5% below the mark

an extra tip:
because this encounter was 3:41, optimally you want to hold your second deathmark for 3 minutes to line up with Exsang and Puzzle Box, as well as it gaining some Zoldyck's value here

both

you always hold exsang and puzzle box for Deathmark

you're able to cast deathmark at

00:10, 02:10, 04:10, etc.

because the fight duration is 03:41

you don't lose a cast by moving where you press Deathmark

as long as you gain full value out of the Deathmark it doesn't matter where you press it

[ornate valley]

and one more question: should I renew dots before exsang or I can do it while they are fading off?

[frigid pilot]

HUH

[thorn fjord]

If done right they’ll be renewed before the exsang

[lament warren]

Exsang condenses your bleeds from the value they are at

so a 40 second bleed will be condensed to a 20 second bleed that ticks twice as fast

which means that you want to have your dots at their highest value before you use Exsang

at the 3 minute mark Exsang and Echoing Reprimand line up

because of this fight length you're able to Echoing Reprimand -> Puzzle Box -> Rupture -> Vanish -> Garrote -> Exsang -> Deathmark

for your second Deathmark

on a fight that lasts longer, though, they might not line up

which is when you're sending Exsang with Deathmark at 4 minutes

[ornate valley]

so I should not use deathmark right off cd and wait for it for exsang

[lament warren]

on this specific fight length yes

otherwise, you send Deathmark and you hold Exsang and Puzzle Box for them to overlap

[thorn fjord]

So in other words if the fight is lasting more than 6:10 min you line up er and exsang at 3m and then at 6 min you get the giga cd combo where everything will naturally line up again @ornate valley

[lament warren]

nope

if you are able to sync up exsang and deathmark again

you do it

which means it would be 4 mins and 7 mins

(4 then 8)

[thorn fjord]

You can send at 3m with er and pb tho and it’s still a gain

And it’ll still sync at 6

[lament warren]

probably actually

since you're just shifting casts

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that’s the min/max play but it’s all dependent on fight length so you really gotta know where it’s ending

[lament warren]

yeah

which is why I recommend

for heroic at least rn

just sending both at 4 mins

[thorn fjord]

Oh heroic you 100% hold for 4m

If you even get there

Most fights are like 3m ish for farm guilds and such

Only long fight in heroic where you can actually play it right would be raz since it’s a 9-10 min ish fight

[ornate valley]

so:
min 0: exs +DM
min 2: dm
min 4: exs + dm
min 6 dm
min 8 dm + exs

?

[lament warren]

yeah

or

[thorn fjord]

Nono

If you’re seeing 6–8 min

You send on cd

The exsang er pb combo

If you’re sub 5m you hold to the 4m mark

[granite wing]

Hey, uhm, did anyone else's left side talents just randomly reset on every loadout?

[fossil vault]

With Assassination getting that extra talent point, is it better to try and get Zoldyck to 3/3, or Shrouded Suffocation?

[thorn fjord]

Er sub 6m

[thorn fjord]

Ss is a must with 4p

You’ll get 2/3 zold tho

[lament warren]

Fight length: 6:30

min 0: exs+DM
min 2: dm
min 3: exs
min 4: dm
min 6: exs+DM

Fight Length: 4:30

min 0: exs+DM
min 2: DM
min 4: exs+DM

Fight Length: 3:30

min 0: exs+DM
min 3: exs+DM

[lament warren]

shrouded

but you can sim it

like the blue oyster cult avi btw

[thorn fjord]

Making a blue oyster cult reference but you didn’t even laugh at my white rabbit reference earlier 😩

[lament warren]

i don't know the song well enough

,<

[fossil vault]

Thanks. Most people don't even bring up the cross of questioning.

I

[lament warren]

i was a big blue oyster cult fan

i have a lot of their stuff on vinyl

esp club ninja 👁️

[thorn fjord]

My uni dean of admissions grew up with 2 of the guys in BOC

[lament warren]

holy

[fossil vault]

Oh nice. I don't keep any vinyls myself.

I'll Sim it, see what changes

[lament warren]

sounds good

[lament warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_XorP9Lr0Q

entire album is bangers

[ornate valley]

IDK how to thank you guys

[lament warren]

nw

[toxic burrow]

Stepped away and come back to see Blue oyster cult? The rogue discord truly is the best class discord around.

[lament warren]

bis band

[thorn fjord]

needs more cowbell though tbh

[fossil vault]

So you guys look through logs to figure out where people can improve too?

[thorn fjord]

Our cf's and SB's do mostly yeah

The bot might be broken right now but usually theres a !logs command

[lament warren]

i do sometimes

not all the time

but it's either this or disturbed dirt pile farming

so

[quaint crow]

anyone else experiencing massive FPS drops when entering combat sometimes after the patch?

[thorn fjord]

Where at?

Just anywhere?

[toxic burrow]

You ever have those moments where you try to fire off your abilities like a crackhead that doesn't know what GCDs are? And that's the story of how I sometimes fumble exsang still...

[lament warren]

i've had times where i've exsanged my deathmark on prog

and then i just walk off

and make them reset

well

by times I mean one time

on sennarth

[toxic burrow]

Lol!

[thorn fjord]

Bro thats evil

My group would never reset for me lol

[eternal jolt]

what build are you guys running for 4 piece sin?

[lament warren]

don't even know if it's real

don't even remember if i actually did that

know for a fact i wanted to though

[lament warren]

i run bleed build exsang

[thorn fjord]

i just chant wipe when i majorly fuck my rotation LOL

to my self obv

[lament warren]

lmfao

[toxic burrow]

On a different note, I finally got my Grieftorch, the first one to drop in our main raid. Felt bad about the circumstances for getting it but I am enjoying it. Especially since it's seeing a lot of inflated use on H Raz prog (we're kind of messing up big time).

[lament warren]

POG

[eternal jolt]

just wondering if anyone has tried arterial precision, looks pretty good

any if we change the spec up with the added poison damage from the tier set bonus

[toxic burrow]

It's the recommended build for Council now.

[fossil vault]

I just recently got the puzzle box and current technique. Had Boon and Spiraling previously, and hated Spiraling

Boon I could atleast use to ignore mechanics on certain fights

[eternal jolt]

speaking more from a pvp perspective

[fickle nymph]

yeah assass feels bad in m+. i miss the old kingsbane and indiscriminate carnage talent spec

[woven ruin]

With 4 pc, has anyone in raid gone with CT? Surprised it isn't getting any play.

[daring tundra]

Come to #pvp brother

But to answer quickly, arterial is very good in PvP

Especially SS

[lament warren]

it's not that good

it's a gain in pure aoe

but a big (~10%) loss to boss damage

[lament warren]

not worth it

[next edge]

3rd boost of the day

lets try to get a fucking 100

somwhere

[lament warren]

i believe in you

[fickle nymph]

they shoulda gave us the choice between ap or kb and not the way they did it with dtb and kb

https://tenor.com/view/change-my-mind-gif-11630051

[lament warren]

kingsbane is deadge

[lament warren]

i don't have a r1 as rogue yet

tbf i have no gear

[next edge]

we fucking suck

[fickle nymph]

sadge

what i really miss is blindside

[next edge]

haste dagger ohnonono

[lament warren]

ya

the next spark i get

is going to that

[lament warren]

pretty sure we still use that

not in m+ tho

[fickle nymph]

for single tar. im m+ andy

[next edge]

maybe i do a cloak

idk

im full on everything else

[fickle nymph]

i want my old KB iC spec back

plz blizz it was so fun

[lament warren]

i think

i'm gonna catalyze 405 legs

upgrade my helm more

spark a dagger

bc my boots are the toxic boots

[thorn fjord]

dont do that

patience brings huge gains my friend

[lament warren]

what am i going to be patient about

[thorn fjord]

Getting 421 legs to catalyst

[lament warren]

my guild is extending raszageth

how am i doing that

[thorn fjord]

run keys bb

[normal mist]

HoV

last 2 bosses

gotta go up with 85?

[lament warren]

no clue what you're referrnig to

[fickle nymph]

86

[normal mist]

%

[lament warren]

how does this help me

oh

count

[fickle nymph]

oh wait no 84

[lament warren]

83.7%

[fickle nymph]

theres like 16% up there b4 GKS

iirc

[lament warren]

it's 83.7% exactly

[fickle nymph]

mmm

[balmy condor]

if they did that KB+DTB would be insta played and nothing would change about our current talent tree, AP would still never be played

[jade abyss]

Delete dtb 🫣

[rain mortar]

I gotta tell you - for all the crap people talk about Sin in keys it feels pretty awesome to me

[fickle nymph]

ap exists for 3v3 or so im lead to believe cuz it doesnt see any use outside of iron council. itd be an option there for pvp peeps while not destroying an established m+ build that was fun to play

[balmy condor]

oh

I thought you deleted because you realized it was a shit opinion

and not because you wanted to ping me

[formal cliff]

[fickle nymph]

savage

[rain mortar]

It can be fun to play AP in keys it’s just simply not as good as DTB so it seems to me

[normal mist]

amazing asking this in the middle of a 17key, thanks for the amazing quick time to respond

we timed it

[formal cliff]

no way lol

[balmy condor]

idk, it just makes 0 sense to me to allow KB and DTB together

because you would never be able to pick any other combo of the two

[formal cliff]

yeah, they're different play styles from my view

[balmy condor]

people complain a lot about how they killed kingsbane and how it hurts build diversity

but allowing kingsbane and DTB together would literally be the worst thing to ever happen to build diversity

[latent gazelle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fickle nymph]

youd simply have to revert the change to DS

[shut thistle]

How much of a percentage push KB would need to match DTB anyway? Kinda weird the passive choice is better across the board.

[formal cliff]

5%~ ish?

[balmy condor]

that's not realistic

the whole idea is to get rid of 3 point nodes

also that wouldn't even change anything

it would give us a new talent we wouldn't use

and that's it

[weak horizon]

Maybe we just need something better than AP then so we can route to AP and get a lot of what we lost before?

[balmy condor]

maybe, crazy idea

AP just needs a buff

the talent is fine

[fickle nymph]

make Scent of blood two points. then u can grab indiscriminate carnage and whichever capstone u want

[formal cliff]

Aoe DM

[weak horizon]

How much of a buff would it need to go AP+ KB in ST?

[misty holly]

It would need to be stronger than Bonespike.

[balmy condor]

AP KB?

[misty holly]

in single target

[balmy condor]

uh

quick math in my head is saying it would need to go from 20% to maybe 150?

[weak horizon]

Well wasn't the idea to make kb worth taking again?

[balmy condor]

yeah but you need to buff KB

if they make AP 40% and then buff KB

GG playable

[weak horizon]

Would be nice

[balmy condor]

idk

the talent tree is fine

there's tuning issues

sure

[vital reef]

So im supposed to use Exsang the GCD Before Deathmark right? So its Exsang -> Box -> Deathmark?

[balmy condor]

but trying to shoe-horn weird KB+DTB combos and shit back into it is just dumb

[balmy condor]

yes

[weak horizon]

I'm giga happy to get ic + dtb so that's nice

[vital reef]

Then wait for the 4m setup with Exsang->box->DM again

[balmy condor]

yes

[vital reef]

Thanks!

[shut thistle]

Honestly with the bleed damage boost, I thought AP could even be good for ST. Kind of a bummer it is not. A playstyle of burst bleeds would be fun, to add smaller peaks to our DPS rather than big ones with Deathmark and Exsanguinate. Then, stack together for biggest burst.

DTB is nice but my hyperactive mind is bummed out the passive choice is the best one for dps. It should be the one convenient to use, a sacrifice to make things easier in fights.

[lament warren]

kingsbane is too many buttons

and i made the mistake of putting all of my buttons on t

[thorn fjord]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/347254691966615552/1038066021300453436/maxwell.gif

[lament warren]

so it'd be 33% harder to not exsang my deathmark

dislike

[slow marsh]

Just let me play this

[shut owl]

no TTB? boooo

[fickle nymph]

agree that KB DTB is bad, but theres ways to set up the tree that would keep IC + KB builds viable while not allowing for KB DTB to be possible

[lament warren]

what's stopping u

[slow marsh]

my brain