assassination

[dusty zenith]

please dont make me play pirate

[ornate valley]

yeah

or they dont differ that much?

[gusty mirage]

they're pretty much the same

whispyr's is focused solely around assassination while fuu's is all 3 specs

[ornate valley]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[visual sequoia]

are talent trees bugged? cant unlearn stuff

[agile geode]

Y

You have to reset It

[magic vine]

use the 🚫 button

[oak tangle]

has anyone ever looked in to taking an actual parse and using something like raidbots to determine dps gain / loss from swapping around cast order of gcd's and stuff? I imagine it'd be messing with the APL, but factoring in for delays and stuff

[fleet imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lusty surge]

lets go

[peak bobcat]

[ashen rover]

is it worth crafting a second molten shortblade ?

[brazen zodiac]

why not sparks dropping out of the sky at this point so, but there is a way to sim it through droptimizer - epic prof gear

its very dependent on ur current gear, etc imo

what r ur current daggers by chance?

[ashen rover]

yea true, its just that i got a sad 402 in off hand and i want an upgrade lolol

[lusty surge]

i just crafted a second 418 for offhand

def worth

[ashen rover]

very sad

[brazen zodiac]

ilove half my gear being spark gear

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean if you don't have anything else to craft

its a no brainer tbh

[brazen zodiac]

i cant wait to craft my 418 waist soon

[gusty mirage]

just get a 421 haste/mastery one from the vault

while everyone else is getting 424 tier

and trinkets

and eranog rings

take a 421 belt

and cry

like I did

[brazen zodiac]

i got fangs dagger from the vault but i took it over whisp icon cuz my guild changed loot rules

[lusty surge]

i got huge 421 bracers last week :p

[ashen rover]

need to upgrade cowl first then i will do that if i dont drop anything better in the meantime i guess

[brazen zodiac]

r u on area52?

[gusty mirage]

all of us since we got our 5th spark:

[still sable]

anyone could help me out detangle my keybinds? iam trying to make the switch from outlaw and sub to assass but i got so many skills that they dont fit on my 2 action bars now :/

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/digg-digging-timbertramps-patchan-gif-12867580

[warped hatch]

Is raidbots simming assa correctly? Got a bunch of errors when I imported to check gears

[brazen zodiac]

its a sign

outlaw time

[gusty mirage]

yea should be fine, what errors are you getting exactly?

[gusty mirage]

yeah unfortunately you'll probably need to add another bar

[brazen zodiac]

i feel like if u started the questline u cant get it

[brazen zodiac]

like any from any content idk

[gusty mirage]

do you happen tohave old talent sets saved?

[warped hatch]

nope

[lusty surge]

the way i did it this expac was to just go through the opener on target dummy and mvoe my keybinds to make that comfortable

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's a pickle then

[lusty surge]

once the opener is comfortable for your hand you can fill in other bars

but youre gonna need alt/shift mods

for sure

[warped hatch]

This is what I'm doing

[still sable]

yeah im doing that as we speak 🙂 but is it true that to have a remotely viable build i need this many buttons :O?

im fine with handing in some spells in order to make it fit and get comfortable and expand on it later

but even the easymode build from icy veins has like 3 or 4 more spells than sub and outlaw have

[lusty surge]

imo its better to just take the upfront cost of setting it up optimally the first time

and learn the muscle memory

than to go halfwauy

[peak bobcat]

Real and true

[gusty mirage]

idk know what I'd make

I just want another one

and I want it NOW

[peak bobcat]

I’d make a cowl

[regal sable]

oxi

[gusty mirage]

ig 3 ilvl to boots

[regal sable]

do u play assa in keys

[gusty mirage]

hi dad

I do

[regal sable]

how much overall

r u doing

[gusty mirage]

uh I did a smbg where the ranged let me get voidlashed to death

and still pulled 78k overall

[peak bobcat]

What a chad

[regal sable]

very nice

thank u

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile they did 84 and 82 respectively

nerf rogue though btw

[gray crest]

Was it jet?

[gusty mirage]

destro lock fucks now

[gusty mirage]

no jet was tanking

[regal sable]

oh and what trinkets r u using

[gusty mirage]

it was cj and lily

[regal sable]

grief/whetstone?

[gusty mirage]

whispering icon & puzzle box

[gray crest]

Oh lmao

[gusty mirage]

because my whetstone is 405

or 402

[still sable]

you're probably right! i cant figure out how to do consistent multi target damage tough is that done by just fan of knives?

[regal sable]

i see

[gusty mirage]

when I finally upgrade it, I'll swap to whetstone

because puzzlebox is awkward af to use in keys

3min CDs are just miserable

[ashen rover]

oh yea it is

[lusty surge]

ic/fok/ct are your aoe options

[ashen rover]

barely use it lol

only for boss

[gusty mirage]

yea most of the time I forget to use it

[lusty surge]

and multidotting if the mobs live long enough

[regal sable]

im using puzzlebox + alacrity

[ashen rover]

[brazen zodiac]

true

[ashen rover]

yesterday i found the worst group, we had like 30+ deaths by the end but the good part was that i could spam my grieftorch

[gray crest]

Did a couple of sin keys w/ puzzle box and it felt bad cause I felt obligated to press exsang on an aoe pack

[surreal fractal]

Do y’all use puzzle/dm/exsang on trash pulls when raiding?

[regal sable]

i simply dont raid

[gusty mirage]

ye should be safe cuz a hunter can reset every boss

(except for dathea)

[pseudo hamlet]

The openers in WoWhead guide are kinda outdated. Do we open the same way as before with KB(but without it)?

[formal cliff]

#assassination-faq message

But yeah, it's the same just without kb

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks!

[violet jackal]

Hunter can reset dathea everyone else needs to not be in The area

[rain mortar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

yeah but boomkins exist

so

and we know how stupid they are

[brazen zodiac]

you also can just put everyone on the top, pull the boss, then take the port down to the main entrance area and it resets that way too

[pulsar apex]

Heya. Standard FAQ DTB build. Can I swap Master Poisoner for Nimble Fingers? MP is giving no DPS increase right?

[brazen zodiac]

in case ur hunter sucks at feign

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

all MP does is impact your non-lethals

[brazen zodiac]

MP 👍

[gray crest]

"Gotta pull boss 0.5s early so oxi is the first person to get smacked"

[gusty mirage]

dathea meleed me

to 2% health

[pulsar apex]

aha. that also means i can now swap blackjack for Shadowrunner/Tricks.

[gusty mirage]

on half our pulls

[brazen zodiac]

until i see some stupid green range ability hit first i aint touching that lady

[gusty mirage]

which ironically

[brazen zodiac]

miss me with that cheat death snatch

[gusty mirage]

actually lead the healers toa ctually heal me for once

[brazen zodiac]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

I just rot

like all the time

idk

[brazen zodiac]

the first time ur their main focus target

[gusty mirage]

I didn't do anything to these people

[brazen zodiac]

is on pull LMAOO

[gusty mirage]

idk why they hate me

[brazen zodiac]

you played sin :/

[gray crest]

The silver lining

[gusty mirage]

prepare yourself if we don't kill dathea this week

you're in buddy

enjoy it

[brazen zodiac]

can i be in

[gusty mirage]

I told kittenz I want to be benched next week for dathea

[brazen zodiac]

ill be oxi for a day

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/uhhhhh-gif-18728531

[gusty mirage]

they have me playing indiscriminate carnage to wrangle the adds on the platform bro

I'm in peak depression mode

[ashen rover]

💀

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[gray crest]

Lmao what

[pulsar apex]

oh it also means i can swap sprint/stride for stomach/nerves. this patch rejig actually gives more early options.

[brazen zodiac]

when i had to go IC for my guild on heroic i kinda rethought my purchase

[gusty mirage]

3 pulls in I was asked to swap sub

[slow marsh]

better or worse than playing sub?

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

and go on platform one

[gray crest]

Why are you on platforms at all

[gusty mirage]

dunno

ask our warriors and shaman

I get to help them pad

[chilly viper]

play outlaw mate

[gusty mirage]

so that's neat ig

don't have a sword

[chilly viper]

get a spark

😄

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

there there oxi

it only gets worse

[gusty mirage]

I heard outlaw is UNPLAYABLE now

I have to press another builder after a fth proc

spec RUINED

[chilly viper]

[thorn fjord]

Doomy doomy doooooom

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

if I get a spark

I make a sword

and play outlaw

because sub's rotation doesn't work with my brain

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-paint-bob-ross-painting-gif-4952929

[gusty mirage]

it makes 0 sense to me

idk

[chilly viper]

will trim fotm

[gusty mirage]

but here's the kicker

they're counting on my IC garrote

[brazen zodiac]

jsut go pick dirt

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

apparently u get a bunch

[gusty mirage]

to wrangle the mobs

on a platform

with

a

prot

pally

[chilly viper]

lol

are you tauren?

[thorn fjord]

damn man your dathea experience just keeps getting worse lol

[gusty mirage]

nope

[gusty mirage]

it's my punishment for getting the eranog ring spooned to me

I had a good vault

got 421 pants

got the eranog ring

so it makes sense

[thorn fjord]

You must suffer so that others may prosper

what a philanthropist

[ashen rover]

Me thinking I have to pug heroic dathea to get set piece upgrade

[gusty mirage]

just take my mythic spot

put me out of my misery

[ashen rover]

Please no

[gusty mirage]

whoever designed that boss

is actually the worst human being

to ever exist

[brazen zodiac]

you think that boss is bad

[gray crest]

Oxi every boss this tier

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/zoe-lol-zoe-league-of-legends-zoe-gif-19105619

u dont even know

what this creation is

[gusty mirage]

nah kurog is a sick fight

terros is cool too

primal council is irrelevant

[brazen zodiac]

i like terros tbh

[gusty mirage]

eranog is cool

[brazen zodiac]

primal kinda feels cool but

[gusty mirage]

broodkeeper is fine

raz is cool

sennarth is annoying as fuck

[thorn fjord]

Terros was a fun fight

[gusty mirage]

and dathea is anduin 2.0

[brazen zodiac]

oof

[thorn fjord]

Sennarth after prog has gotten better

[gusty mirage]

yeah once people figured their shit out

sennarth is fine

just annoying

[brazen zodiac]

what u dont like slip n slide in ur Wow gameplay?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-skate-fail-gif-4905693

[thorn fjord]

@brazen zodiac ive figured out where to stand so that nothing fucks with me on each platform lol

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-ice-gone-jumping-gif-13261777

[gusty mirage]

I've yet to figure out the last platform

I've died every single kill

re-enacting my best kirbyau impression

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[brazen zodiac]

i just stand beyhind the ice pillars when i can hasnt failed me yet

lmfaooo

[gusty mirage]

I step the knockback a little too early

and get slammed into 2 circles

and die

[rigid tartan]

atleast you dont have to play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather play outlaw

[thorn fjord]

Last platform i ignore the rock and dps till about 2 seconds before the pull then i just hang back... When spider comes out and the last phase starts i hang out to the front left of the boss... Others usually arent too close

[gusty mirage]

like unironically

[rigid tartan]

why not play outlaw then? or sub? if the adds need to be dealt with

[gusty mirage]

don't have a sword

sub's rotation no worky with my brain

I tried sub

I was doing 50-70k dps

[indigo pollen]

vanish garrote seems so early in opener graphic no? I see that it says it can be delayed. for me it seems like i can do most of it and intial garrote is nowhere near pandemic?

[marble hemlock]

and then the mage or warlock player asks on voice "how do melee keep dying?"

[gusty mirage]

"strike -> gloomblade -> blades/symbols/dance/30 other things"

[thorn fjord]

You can vanish garrote after your shiv in the opener for some slight gains

[gusty mirage]

our warlock RL

[marble hemlock]

when the healers all yeet off to the next platform already and youre left behind

[thorn fjord]

if you dont want to do it before exsang

[gusty mirage]

"HOW DO YOU GET HIT BY MECHANICS"

like mmkay

sorry mr. darkpact

[marble hemlock]

with no heal and a shitty gate where none of the ranged call out if its save or not

[gusty mirage]

I'm not 45 yards out

with ample time to adjust to mechanics

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

I got hit with the balls on kurog ONE time and died

[indigo pollen]

yeah doesn't feel right not doing so i guess

[gusty mirage]

and I got raged at

for 10 minutes

ONCE

in like 80 pulls

[brazen zodiac]

rip

its just cuz of build up tho yk

[gusty mirage]

no its because 2 other people died and I had to play a dance with the tank

so I don't get frozen

[thorn fjord]

I dunno i feel like the easiest part of sennarth fight is the last phase when you're just dealing with circles and push back

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[gusty mirage]

yeah I gotta keep running toward the tank

I wonder why I got hit

gee

my 2 accountability buddies decided to drool on their KB

and die

my bad

[thorn fjord]

lolol

[rigid tartan]

all in all surely but it just gets extremely stressful if the raid is dying and you are wondering where you get enough healing for the next tick

[gusty mirage]

I regret going kurog first tbh

because I think kurog would've been wonderful after killing dathea

[solid mica]

Actually feels better outside of a little less energy imo tbh

[gusty mirage]

and yet some people want the CP generation back

in exchange for a 5% aura nerf

so that outlaw does zdps

[thorn fjord]

Its the heroic raiders complaining about the nerfs

[gusty mirage]

no

[thorn fjord]

Shit aint even that bad

[gusty mirage]

its m+ rats

[thorn fjord]

Whats worse M+ rats or heroic raiders? 😛

[gusty mirage]

M+ rats

at least heroic raiders try to learn how to play their class properly

[solid mica]

Kurog is sick except having .7 seconds to taunt add over

[thorn fjord]

Thats actually true

[gusty mirage]

M+ rats get like 2900 io

and think they know more than everyone else

[tawdry dust]

short question how do we handle shiv with 1 charge now? we send it on cd ?

[chilly viper]

always was this way

[gusty mirage]

send it on cd and try to make sure you have a charge for deathmark

[chilly viper]

w/o kb

[gusty mirage]

rip KB

[chilly viper]

how do I remove this emoji

[gusty mirage]

done

[tawdry dust]

not rly you could sync one charge with echoing and do some good shit

[vestal wren]

can we make a list of "titles" for r.io score brackets
oxi`s great r.io list

[gusty mirage]

it'd be my honor

[lament warren]

i have seen the players at 2.9

it’s not looking good for na

[gusty mirage]

really makes you think doesn't it

LMAO

[thorn fjord]

Lol

[chilly viper]

Like gain .2% with a chance of missing a cast

[uncut echo]

Thats actually so not true

[hollow cobalt]

Has anyone noticed if they have both cheat death and elusiveness? i apparently have elusiveness picked up in the tree by default, but cheat death still procs for me

[gusty mirage]

yea its a bug rn

enjoy the extra tankiness

until it gets hot fixed

[chilly viper]

Lmao really

[gusty mirage]

yap

[chilly viper]

So taking cheat death rn is troll

[gusty mirage]

you get the benefits of elusive

AND cheat death

[solid mica]

I fucking LOVE m+ but ppl def do that lol, i think it feels good in keys and tbh it was nuetral/gain in keys cuz i wasnt gonna fuckin int before and not take either poison or tricks for subterfuge

[chilly viper]

is it only for assa or all specs

[gusty mirage]

all specs it seems

[vestal wren]

subtelty bugs: get disconnected when using shadowstrike, loses 2/3 of damage if too far away from the target
assassination bugs: gets elusivness for free

[chilly viper]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

sub gets that too

or at least outlaw does

[vestal wren]

i don't ruin my joke

^^

[gusty mirage]

[hollow cobalt]

what is sub and why hasn't it been deleted from theg ame

[lament warren]

wtf

[gusty mirage]

because mage exists

[last cedar]

[lament warren]

are you trying to start a war

[slow marsh]

Cuz ninja

[chilly viper]

Bro all 3 specs are sick

[gusty mirage]

I won't stand for spec wars anymore

when I see this shit:

[solid mica]

Just play all 3 and be a chad i dont get it

[vestal wren]

its to subtle

[gusty mirage]

look at this

and tell me sub rogue being strong in keys is a problem

LMAO

[gray crest]

I was in a guild back in cn when I played mage, and we recruited a mage who had good io. In raid he never did well and sucked so much that he ended up going lock

[vestal wren]

i like how spacemonkey is on 98k just ebcause he died after his burst

[gusty mirage]

buff mage btw

[lament warren]

wtf two norahs

[slow marsh]

Mage needs like a 5% buff idk

[last cedar]

We're almost back to normality

[vital haven]

icelandian not at the top? slacking

[thorn fjord]

My guild is still convinced rogue is broken -_-

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[last cedar]

They just need to nerf frost and buff fire

[lament warren]

is synybun not in nascent anymore?

was that the diff

[gusty mirage]

guess not

[gray crest]

Nope

[chilly viper]

I mean we're in a good spot

[gray crest]

He went to HC

[gusty mirage]

dunno guy shared those screenshots yesterday

[vestal wren]

warrior 📈 from what i saw too

[solid mica]

Probably still watching rwf content KEK

[lament warren]

weird

[slow marsh]

People always seem to think this

[gusty mirage]

after I got into it with Mr. Frozensoviet as to how "frost oversims"

[lament warren]

hc has absorbed like half my friends list

[gray crest]

Nascent killed Raz yesterday too

[lament warren]

yeah 200 pulls

[chilly viper]

Nice

200 seems low

[lament warren]

insane gameplay

[gusty mirage]

our mage actually went "idk why we're getting a 5% buff but I'll take it"

[lament warren]

it is extremely low

it’s like group therapy low

[chilly viper]

good on em

I like watching Endwyr

repping assa rogues

[lament warren]

humble is going to finish really low too

hopefully

[gray crest]

Nascent t9 is cracked

[slow marsh]

Cuz they don't even know how to nerf arcane

[solid mica]

Bobby's back from vacay and wants to fire up his mage again

[gusty mirage]

yes they do

they nerf it how they nerfed rogue

just slap random talent nerfs

and aura nerfs

until they're mediocre

the gameplan to making a class irrelevant is right in front of them

[slow marsh]

But mage backlash is stronger than rogue so they can't

[gusty mirage]

not really

enhance shaman cried up a fucking storm

still ended up with ~15% nerf

[slow marsh]

I remember they were gonna nerf mage in SL and legit reverted it because of Twitter war

[gray crest]

Backlash is always low when you compare it to boomkins

[lament warren]

i feel like mage and rogue have similar numbers

with no stats to back that up at all

[chilly viper]

Can we talk about unholy though

[solid mica]

Sleeper busto

[gusty mirage]

absolutely

lets do so

remember when they ass slammed assassination for being "too strong in ST"?

[steel ridge]

how... so if you pick elusiveness you have both?

[gusty mirage]

and then buffed uhdk to do more damage?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[steel ridge]

and if you pick cheat you have only cheat?

[gusty mirage]

correct

[chilly viper]

fuck 'em

[steel ridge]

delete all talk about that

[gusty mirage]

lol

[solid mica]

WAIT WHAT lol hell yeah

[lament warren]

won’t be abusing that

[royal lantern]

mage is 1of the most played classes, rogue is normaly THE least played class and only has higher numbers rn cus all fotm rollers went rogue after week1 raid statistics lol

[gusty mirage]

I hope the outlaw m+ers get their wish

[lament warren]

i’ll be taking cheat and getting neither

[gusty mirage]

and get the fth thing reverted and get a 5% aura nerf

so I can just laugh

[lament warren]

hm

[smoky helm]

guys, quick question..do i delay exs to sync with deathmark/vanish? or do i just throw them on cd unless they sync naturallyy?

[lament warren]

it’s not this way higher end

[thorn fjord]

Damn i accidently slacked my boss a mythic droptimizer sim instead of a shared drive link

[lament warren]

maybe cuz people know mage is actually really hard

[royal lantern]

mage and hard

[lament warren]

mage is the hardest class in wow

[solemn marsh]

do you ever hold vanish for second exsang? (dtb exsang build)

[ashen rover]

[gusty mirage]

the sims hold exsang for 1 minute to sync with DM iirc

but it really depends on the kill timer

[solemn marsh]

or just synch with DM and be done with it

[solid mica]

Dont do me like that oxi, i cant handle another tuning pass. Id rather get dicked all at once

[royal lantern]

mage is the class with even more get out of jail cards than rogue

[lament warren]

yes

[thorn fjord]

would be cool if this DIDNT happen =/

[gusty mirage]

lmao that's what the change.org petition is asking for isn't it?

[chilly viper]

and puzzle too?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[lament warren]

but being a good mage player is exceptionally difficult

[thorn fjord]

I want them to revert the ER nerf and give us back our CP's

[chilly viper]

interesting

[lament warren]

that’s why there are so few!

[grim tangle]

the dumbest player in my guild plays fire and frost mage and does decently while being complete trash at every other spec he's even tried, there is no way mage is hard

[gusty mirage]

he learned how to push spacebar during combust

[smoky helm]

i see thx..so if holding it won't waste a cast, i should hold it..ty

[gusty mirage]

what a gamer

[lament warren]

doing damage is not the hard part

[gusty mirage]

yep! 😄

[lament warren]

and doing damage doesn’t make you good

[solid mica]

Idk cba to get into whatever the hell theyre cooking over there

[lament warren]

mage just has infinite buttons to control any situation as well as infinite defensives

blink is a defensive even

utilizing them all effectively while also doing mechanics and damage

can be difficult

[gusty mirage]

I just want you guys to know

[lament warren]

in just patchwerk fights though it isn’t important

[gusty mirage]

I figured out most of the feint uses in SoD

[thorn fjord]

apparently the person who created this petition is the same one who created one to get RH disc shut down a while back

[gusty mirage]

because I was asked to press a defensive

and I had nothing else

[lament warren]

but i really respect good mage players

[gusty mirage]

so I'd feint + vial

and pray

[lament warren]

LMAO

[slow marsh]

Rip the vial conduits tbh

[gusty mirage]

bro

don't worry

[gray crest]

I was pressing feint during dance on terros

[slow marsh]

Now we have to use energy for it

[gusty mirage]

those pickpocketable buffs

any day now

ANY

DAY NOW

[lament warren]

but the tradeoff for being good at mage is that you are cursed

you can never play anything else

you can never be a multiclasser

[gusty mirage]

Pick Pocket will frequently uncover new ingredients that can be mixed into their Crimson Vial, augmenting its power the next time the Rogue drinks it.

never forget

[slow marsh]

Cringe

[lament warren]

let me use that on bosses

[gray crest]

Just get the survivors bag of coins

[slow marsh]

How about just make it not 25 energy since it already eats a global

[solid mica]

Thats the kind of RP i need in My life

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'd use it to throw me off of the platform and die

[royal lantern]

im somewhat happy, cus i imagine that that shit would have been "using vial gives 20% dr for 10seconds" and then you have to pickpocket mobs in the world for 40min pre-raid

[gray crest]

Dude I fucking love that item

Sitting in the city with it and just yeeting around

That's what makes rogue the best class

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

ITS STILL ON THE WOW WEBSITE

LOL

[vestal wren]

we got Squeaky Bat tho

[gusty mirage]

HAHAHAHA

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/23310980/shadowlands-class-updates#item9

[vestal wren]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=179295/squeaky-bat

^ can enjoy this

[gusty mirage]

true

[solemn marsh]

After vanish, do you always double or triple garrote for the increased initial dmg?

[lament warren]

can you imagine rwf raiders portaling and pick pocketing between every pull

[gusty mirage]

@vestal wren I remember looking at this list and seeing 4 paragraphs for rogue and like 14 pages for the other classes lol

[vestal wren]

the idea was scrapped sadly

for pickpocket

but don't worry

they kept the crimson vial nerf that came with it

[solid mica]

Thats so sick. They should just let u keep whatever buff till u change it. I cant remember the last time a mob i tried to pickpocket worked

[vestal wren]

so there is that

[thorn fjord]

I dont think ive ever pick pocketed anything

tbh

[gusty mirage]

of course

[lament warren]

you’re not a real rogue if you didn’t pick pocket zombies in the undead starting zone at level 6

¯_(ツ)_/¯

what the fuck

[gusty mirage]

why would they rebuff CV after nerfing it

and not putting in the buffs we could pickpocket?

[thorn fjord]

I played mage till WoD 🤷‍♂️

[gusty mirage]

that would just make sense

[nimble tartan]

my first rogue was undead

im still playing that same rogue <3

[thorn fjord]

Mine too actually but it was boosted coming out of MoP

[vestal wren]

i still have the glyph thing applied that turns you into an enemy if you pickpocket

[thorn fjord]

And its now a Cow because moo is life

[vestal wren]

its great fun in keys

[thorn fjord]

I want that lol

[vestal wren]

also def. not confusing

[lament warren]

my first rogue was undead and i played it until i got gouge and i spent an hour gouging mobs in the farm questing zone because i thought it was a damaging ability

i was like 12

[vestal wren]

and now you toy with the idea to turn into mechagnome or orc?

[lament warren]

belf only

[thorn fjord]

Cow is the only sane option you guys are nuts

[lament warren]

i used to play male belf bc i liked the way it looks on plate characters

[slow marsh]

I was belf but i'm enjoying my female orc vibe

[lament warren]

now i play female belf for the feet

[thorn fjord]

and the free gold right?

[lament warren]

i don’t get any free gold

i do it for free

[thorn fjord]

I always roll female for the simpers but female tauren just aint it

[slow marsh]

I almost did female tauren

[thorn fjord]

Its gotta be the dumbest looking model lol

[slow marsh]

It is

But anything for the dps gains

(orc was better)

[thorn fjord]

If you're not macroing /moo to all your finishers and cd's are you even playing it right?

[thorny pond]

Dieslow and getting muted/ignored in keys. Name a more iconic duo

[thorn fjord]

I only macro moo to ADR, DM and SB lol

anything else and it would be toxic

[thorny pond]

I lost my "nutters" WA

Sadge

[lament warren]

i’m a prismatic bauble macroer

send it on sprint

[thorn fjord]

haha

[echo heath]

all my weak auras seem broken right now 😦

[lament warren]

update weakauras

[pulsar apex]

DTB poisons are deadly + amp?

[indigo pollen]

possibly

[echo heath]

yes, we dont use instant

[pulsar apex]

ty

[solid mica]

Imagine being able to see chat over the "so and so took x damage from y" and "square sqaure square" text

[chilly viper]

Is it just me that thinks that most rogue players are better then the average playerbase

random thought

[peak bobcat]

so true

[tacit pebble]

no most rogues suck, me and only me is a gamer god

[hybrid plank]

It's think it's more like the player base is lower, so it is less likely to see someone that sucks

Just look at the boomies/hunts

[thorn fjord]

Smaller sample portion... most rogues I play with in pugs and the wild are bad though lol

Like I'm pretty bad but generally outplay them

[limber stag]

Hey sin mates,
quick question: I saw that Whispyr updated the talent builds.
In raid build he picked blackjack, improved sprint and unbreakable stride.
Isn't it better to pick nimble fingers, trickz and go from deadened nerves to thief's versatility?
Here is the build I'm playing for raid atm: BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSCcgElEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAQLCOQJJkkkkWKJiEkIRiFE
Or is there a better strategy in Whispyr's build which I can't see.
Sorry for asking.

[thorn fjord]

Tricks isnt necessary in raid imo

atleast not for sin... you're not pulling aggro

[thorny pond]

You run exclusively pugs with BR servers too?

[limber stag]

Trickz is only a filler. I think nimble fingers is excellent for the reduced energy cost of faint and deadened nerves for the 3 % physical decrease.

[nocturne current]

Just the sprint alone is worth the 2 other talents.

[thorn fjord]

Yeah imp sprint is so nice

[teal bloom]

yeah the utility nodes don't really matter as long as you get shadowstep and tight spender somehow

[gusty mirage]

@bleak sky this man talkin shit

[bleak sky]

[indigo pollen]

if i used embellishment on dagger, is it worth recrafting for flaring cowl :/

[limber stag]

Oh okay . Yeah improves sprint is nice. I play worgen and have darkflight. I don't feel like i need more mobility in raid. But decreased energy cost in faint feel great. At Terros Mythic i cast at least 5-6 times faint for example. Thanks for your answers. Helped me a lot 🙂

[thorny pond]

@bleak sky do you use tattle-tale addons?

[nocturne current]

You can chose which one ever you like, they're both survivability. Only impact is in your own gameplay, its hard to judge that, if you feel like you have enough movement speed, go for it.

[oak sky]

Elitism helper?

[thorny pond]

"huh, I died. maybe don't do that?... no no, it was all the healers fault" - mentality of people who use those addons

[bleak sky]

fuck no

annoying ass addons

[granite widget]

hey guys i tried sin in a key yesterday and it felt really good, but unless there was a prio target / big health target it felt pretty bad to use dm/exsang etc instead of just using ct/evis

is this normal?

[unkempt burrow]

Does cowl count as an embellishment? I was about to craft one but already have lariat and gripping on weapon

[indigo pollen]

yep

[ashen rover]

Yes

[unkempt burrow]

That’s trashy

[bleak sky]

remove embellishment on weapon

simple

[indigo pollen]

i know the answer is sim it but meh

[ashen rover]

^

[thorn fjord]

Cowl Emb is better than the weapon ones

So it'll prob be an increase

[solid mica]

Run late at night so therès a bunch of oce ppl, those addons should be ILLEGAL

[teal bloom]

@granite widget Yeah single target cooldowns aren't very good outside bosses unless there is a very large trash mob. I usually just fire and forget deathmark on the highest health enemy if it's 2 min or more until boss

[unkempt burrow]

Recrafting shit is pain. I don’t get why artisans mettle isn’t boe

[pulsar apex]

oh no 2x shiv in current DTB build. hmm.

[granite widget]

do you bother to keep snd up on high targets? usually its a non issue bc you evis a lot

i assume so cause of

tier set interaction

[rain mortar]

feels good getting a puzzle box w/ Leech

[teal bloom]

you always envenom when snd is about to drop regardless of target count

[indigo pollen]

for anyone considering recrafting weapon to move to farling cowl, 0.1% sim haha

[teal bloom]

so you'll only have to use combo points on it once or a few times per dungeon

[woven ruin]

I'm having an argument with our DH, should we be going leech or avoidance?

[thorn fjord]

I take Avoidance

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lament warren]

i take both

one leech one avoidance

[slim drift]

Regen leech on cloak avoidance on bracers

[cloud moat]

A variety of tools to stop important enemy mechanics with is likely the reason. When you play something like a hunter where your defensives are dogshit, your interrupt cd is high and your cc is lacking, there ends up being skill differences

[lament warren]

for raid double avoidance is prob just better

but leech and avoidance do different things and i think having the leech is valuable when it ends up being valuable

for keys at least

[slim drift]

Regen leech can also save you time between packs if healer dies

Where's avoidance cloak is like fall damage

[lament warren]

avoidance is pretty op

but we have feint

[gusty mirage]

you're pretty op

[slim drift]

Rogue is already unkillable

[radiant osprey]

i think im fucking braindead can someone explain echoing reprimand to me ?

[gusty mirage]

it charges up 3 combo points

when you land on one of them

it counts that finisher as if it was 7cp

instead of whatever it landed on

for example if you land on the 2nd combo point and it's anima charged, it'll count it as a 7cp rupture or envenom or crimson tempest

[radiant osprey]

WTF

[thorn fjord]

Dont be dumb like me and think it has to be sequential because it does not

Land on blue you can send and it'll count as if it were a 7cp finisher

[radiant osprey]

so technically if you don’t need to build it up to a 5cp

[gusty mirage]

correct

if you land on one of the blue combo points

you just finish

[radiant osprey]

since it automatically is a max one

wtffff

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

also why they nerfed resounding clarity

because it gave us 4 of those

[thorn fjord]

Take me back 😦

[gusty mirage]

I can't

I can't undo the PB % nerf

[brazen zodiac]

try please

please try

[gusty mirage]

I can't undo the aura nerfs

[radiant osprey]

i feel so dumb lmfao tysm for explaining

[gusty mirage]

I can't undo the fatal concoction nerf

[strange python]

Go talk to realz get us buffs.

[burnt venture]

What can you undo?

[gusty mirage]

unless you played kyrian in shadowlands it's not very intuitive

you're not dumb

[radiant osprey]

yeah i didn’t

[gusty mirage]

considering currently I'm forced to play iron wire on dathea, my life

[strange python]

The nerfs are so obviously unnecessary in hindsight.

[radiant osprey]

i figured that’s what it did but I never actually used it correctly

[thorn fjord]

Throughout all of SL and some of DF i thought you had to send the buffed CP's from 4th to 2nd making it super hard to play lmao... Im sure you arent as dumb as i was

[burnt venture]

Hahaha heard that

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean at the time

it made sense

but it was because everyone else was ass

[strange python]

I don't even agree with that

[gusty mirage]

but the problem is

they overnerfed us

[ornate valley]

ON M+ on ST mobs/boss, should we keep tempest up?

[strange python]

Nerfing based on one week of logs from primarily heroic is a terrible idea.

[gusty mirage]

and then just proceeded to buff everyone else

so we're just like

ok

what do we do great?

and the answer is nothing

we do nothing great

[strange python]

Considering half the fights on mythic add ads or downtime, sin was always going to do worse on mythic than heroic anyways

[thorn fjord]

I can see them MAYBE reverting the RC nerf later in the expansion

But 🤷‍♂️

[strange python]

Giant blind spot to have nerfed us knowing that

[gusty mirage]

they need to revert all the aura nerfs, the fatal conction nerf, and the ER nerf

because all 3 got slapped hard for legitimately no reason

[strange python]

The problem is that buffing rogues will make the community have an aneurysm

[gusty mirage]

I'm fine with sub being giga good at aoe

and I'm fine with outlaw being the king of cleave

at least we had damage profiles we could swap between

[strange python]

It's wild how much the wow community hates rogues compared to...warlocks and boomies

[gusty mirage]

now it feels like you're swapping for the sake of swapping

unless you play assassination

you can cope on that execute damage

that's literally irrelevant

[frigid kestrel]

Is the base AP/IC the one we rollface on council on ?

[gusty mirage]

do 2 million less overall for 1 million more in execute damage

[thorn fjord]

Theyre ignorant... Had one of our warlocks telling me we're still super OP

[frigid kestrel]

or is there another one im missing

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

yea should be fine

you could also play dtb + ic if you want

but cold blood into shiv is kinda poggies

until you realize it doesn't do anything

[strange python]

Must be nice wanting two warlocks even in warlocks worst tier ever

[frigid kestrel]

Im just pugging away and want to have fun seeing big numbers lo,

[gusty mirage]

yeah ttb + cb + ap

is actually kinda nice in 4t

[thorn fjord]

we have 3 lol

[frigid kestrel]

Gotcha

[gusty mirage]

just don't do what I do

[strange python]

Those warlocks should try guild apps from 9.0/early 9.1

[gusty mirage]

and forget to put cold blood on your bars

[frigid kestrel]

No Bonespike?

[gusty mirage]

so you play with your spell book open

[frigid kestrel]

Bleh i guess we cant fit it in

[strange python]

I had top 10 logs on two specs and took weeks to find a guild that wasn't like, us 300

[gusty mirage]

hey woah

[languid pier]

?Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

some of us like WR 400-500 guilds okay?

I enjoy playing a M+ build on dathea

ITS FUN

I'M HAVING FUN

https://tenor.com/view/toaster-bath-gif-22277891

[strange python]

Nothin wrong with em! Just saying it's obnoxious how hard it is to make moves as a rogue sometimes.

Compared to warlocks who can just have a pulse and get hof

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord come in the water's nice

[strange python]

I hear Nexus sx needs a rogue

:).

[gusty mirage]

yeah

theirs is on the floor perma

I saw their 55k on terros

impressive

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/shummer-death_dive-dive-fail-failed-dive-dive-gif-12569456

[lament warren]

that’s what happens when you play mostly useless classes

unfortunately

[grim tangle]

please don't bully projectt

[lament warren]

rogue is not suddenly useful now it just does infinite damage

which does make it suddenly useful actually

[gusty mirage]

I didn't name any names

[lament warren]

but yeah

[strange python]

I mean ye. Just saying it must be nice to be a warlock - even when you're not top of the meters, which is 1 every 9 tiers, you can find a home anywhere.

[lament warren]

dhs have a hard time as well

shamans

[strange python]

But the second rogue isn't the best melee DPS class, good fucking luck

[gusty mirage]

in retrospect

[lament warren]

it’s pretty much just warlocks and healers

[gusty mirage]

enhance and DH also got dicked on

for no reason

given the wizards are allowed to do what they do

[strange python]

Tbh enhance is still insane

[lament warren]

warlocks and healers get to climb for free

[strange python]

Most enh are just awful

[thorn fjord]

Ian is a lock main change my mind

[lament warren]

mages are too bad

[gusty mirage]

yeah but they ended up eating a ~15% nerf

[thorn fjord]

Ion*

[gusty mirage]

because they were too strong

and look at mages now

[lament warren]

climbing as a feral is something else as well lol

[grim tangle]

enhance also has the most insane rng

[lament warren]

melee just has it rough

[strange python]

I'm genuinely annoyed that mages get hotfix buffs and then even more buffs the second they're even mediocre. But sub went 2 years as what it is

[strange python]

Seeing your name in red is bizarre

[grim tangle]

not my fault the discord decided to give the best color to the worst spec

[burnt venture]

This is a conundrum

[uncut echo]

Dh is great tbh.

1 min 20% dr, infinite leech

[strange python]

But you're alliance

[uncut echo]

Their st is just low. Their cleave is nuts. Fuck momentum tho

[thorn fjord]

momentum on sennarth

[uncut echo]

I got a 99 on sennarth

[lament warren]

dh is fine now but historically they weren’t exceptional enough to want more than one

[languid ferry]

any pvp builds on here?

[lament warren]

with raid design rally is just more valuable as well as execute

[thorn fjord]

check #pvp

[uncut echo]

#pvp

[lament warren]

so you would either stack warriors or you would stack magic damage warriors (udk)

[grim ermine]

hey, do we have a mage tower guide?

[thorn fjord]

Get the bosses hp to 0 and dont die

Ez

[grim ermine]

[thorn fjord]

Wowhead should have

[spice spire]

wowhead should have a guide currently

[thorn fjord]

Did you get it finally???? @spice spire

[spice spire]

no

I'm just this

[thorn fjord]

oh 😦

[spice spire]

until people stop asking

[thorn fjord]

I wont ask ever again

[spice spire]

no I meant

"when do I use puzzlebox"

[thorn fjord]

ohhhh

[indigo pollen]

still can;t untalent unbreakable stride

[thorn fjord]

you have to reset your talent tree to fix it

Its a fun game

[indigo pollen]

wow

haha

[ashen rover]

Small indie company

[scenic kelp]

do we need master poisoner or can we change it for tricks?

[valid whale]

Tbh tricks isn’t really needed lately

At least in my experience

[scenic kelp]

for m+ it is rly nice to have 😄

[valid whale]

Not like we’ll pull aggro - maybe it’s helpful in AA for birds

[scenic kelp]

in my opinion

is it any dmg loss to change to tricks? 😄

[lament warren]

take tricks

[hollow cobalt]

@lament warren

[lament warren]

drop the cheat talent and put it in nerves

[hollow cobalt]

what is sub and why hasn't it been deleted from the game

x2

[lament warren]

like the one that is where chest used to be

it’s fun

[hollow cobalt]

the only sub gameplay i approve

is the 2 button gameplay

[lament warren]

it does what sin is supposed to do but infinitely better

[hollow cobalt]

where i could time 20's playing with my mouse

[lament warren]

multi dot rupture? ours is 2 per global

[hollow cobalt]

ss > bp > ss > bp

[lament warren]

crimson tempest? black powder

spec is just fun

[hollow cobalt]

ours is 8 per global?

[lament warren]

only 2% of the time

[hollow cobalt]

i remember playing sub back in s2 shadowlands

[lament warren]

vs the gigachad approximately 50

[hollow cobalt]

if 4+ mobs, don't rupture, just ss bp

literally braindead

[lament warren]

that’s based

[hollow cobalt]

i played one handedly

[lament warren]

i picked up sub in s2

got so scared by shuriken tornado that i quit

in like 2 days

[hollow cobalt]

wdym

you don't like pressing bp every global for 4 globals

[lament warren]

i don’t like abilities with delayed effects

[thorn fjord]

I loved it

[hollow cobalt]

i have bp in my middle mouse button

it was v fun to press

[thorn fjord]

Big pack pulled… you start to salivate flag your full rupture hit ST and smash that BP key

Pew pew pew

[hollow cobalt]

ya

it was so

[thorn fjord]

I loved it too lol

[lament warren]

hated it until i understood it

[thorn fjord]

Or when you were able to pad on intermission during Anduin

Hitting BP after tornado instead of evis

[hollow cobalt]

i played enh/fdk back then

so i either funneled or hit everything

[thorn fjord]

I’m the only loser that misses playing flag

[scenic kelp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hollow cobalt]

nah

flag was a good button

[short token]

do we generally want to try to avoid rupturing anima charged points (outside of the opening ER)?

[lament warren]

outside of exsang generally yeah

[hollow cobalt]

i would have preferred flag over kyrian/nfae ones any fucking day of the week

[solid mica]

Theres actually an alarm that goes off in every RL's head the second you hit bp once in raid

[short token]

do we hold ER for this purpose? before exsang or no

[thorn fjord]

I hated er until I learned how to properly use it… I’d take er over flag for anything but sub play

[restive falcon]

Sepsis is awful

[thorn fjord]

Er and exsang should line up at the 3m mark

[hollow cobalt]

i remember my first time seing er

[lament warren]

they line up

[thorn fjord]

Shouldn’t have to@hold@

[hollow cobalt]

i instantly logged off after pressing er the first time

[lament warren]

but you hold exsang for dm

so

[hollow cobalt]

and went back to hunter

[thorn fjord]

My thumbs have gotten fatter because I hit @ way too much

[lament warren]

i think the answer is still no

[thorn fjord]

There’s nuance to the hold though

And I’ve seen a good amount of people holding on fights lasting more than 6m

At the 3m mark

When You should send

But I’m pretty sure you know this already @lament warren

[short token]

wait so we hold exsang for dm but dm is a 2 min cd? when would a 2 and a 3 min cd line up? 6 minute mark? so once a fight?

[lament warren]

no reason when it’s back at 3:45

[lament warren]

4min

[thorn fjord]

You would hold exsang for the 4m dm if the fight is ending before 6m

[restive falcon]

Lines at 4

[short token]

interesting

and then when we pop exsang, do we let the rupture fall off completely before refreshing?

[thorn fjord]

But er should still line if you’re sending on cd

[lament warren]

yes

[short token]

ok, i figured, i've been outlaw the entire expac raid leader asking me to go assass for more boss dmg on grimtotem

i don't think i'll have to worry about sub 6 min fights

but it's good to know

[scenic kelp]

someone have a import string for council AP & IC build with SBS?

i cant find any

[short token]

i'm sure i'll have more questions...

as i hit the dummy a bit more

i feel a little low on energy is that common? outside of thistle tea windows

[lament warren]

yes

[rigid tartan]

you cant turn a crafted item into tierset with catalyst right?

[short token]

no pug

i wish 😛

[quaint crow]

both my stealth and vanish buttons are "greyed out" and just says "cant do that yet", im out of combat aswell.. any ideas?

[short token]

are you hitting the training dummy in a covenant?

they're notorious for bugging out

and holding you in combat

[hollow leaf]

If I'm not gonna be doing that many 20s and mythic raid is it worth putting flavor pocket on my crafted dagger?

[quaint crow]

nah im just out doing wq's

[royal lantern]

you can do the math how often you would need to die to actually make it worth

(its never worth it, its QoL at best)

[hollow leaf]

yea i guess

[thorn fjord]

Just do what i did and get a guildy to give you one

then have one drop from soup the same week

[royal lantern]

why you should never trust blizzard tooltips, example #2831

[short token]

so at the 3 minute mark, we're looking to: ER - rup - garrote - exasang?

[thorn fjord]

yeah thats all of em

But its the tooltip only runes are working as expected

[warped hatch]

If you're in the tuskar village in Azure Span doing the WQ there it's a known bug, had it happen to me yesterday

[languid moth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[quaint crow]

yea, i realised that it was the WQ zone im in thats bugging Stealth

[sage pine]

If I'm running DTB/IC for m+ do I use Deadly/Instant or Deadly/Amp poisons?

[nocturne current]

[sage pine]

D: i need to know

[nocturne current]

Amp ofcourse.

[sage pine]

ty

[nocturne current]

You can rotate around targets and blow the 10 stacks.

[sweet inlet]

does having double sophic devotion actually help with dps on ST?

[thorn fjord]

Yee

big burrrrs

[nocturne current]

yeah you get a fatter devotion

[sweet inlet]

oh it stacks the stats ontop of each other?

[nocturne current]

yep

[sweet inlet]

sweet

[halcyon silo]

So I got this last night. How do I work it into the Assassination opener?

[chilly viper]

if you have puzzle do puzzle

and 30 secs later grieftorch

[halcyon silo]

I don't have puzzle yet

[thorn fjord]

Make sure to thank your guildies for dying

[halcyon silo]

Like do I use it after putting all my bleeds on or before

[thorn fjord]

Can prob just send it after you cast ER on pull

during opener i mean

i wouldnt know i dont have one yet 😦

[next edge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

i assume you still want to use it off gcd

it just makes sense to use it in a way that loses you less globals

[halcyon silo]

I see

[median mango]

Quick question for the smart people here, how do you use your vanish/deathmark on ras? cause with the normal opener I cant get 2 deathmarks into phase one but I also cant use it in intermission cause then I wont have it for 2 shields. Do I just suck it and not use cd's for almost 2 minutes or is there a smart way around it? HC btw, not mythic.

[round topaz]

i hold until first shield

or use on adds, then use on second shield

[feral rivet]

yay i can have my first mythic r1 for awhile until everyone else raids this week

[pseudo hamlet]

Do we keep Exang for the third DM(it's 3 min just like Box)?

[royal lantern]

ofc

[lament warren]

[thorn fjord]

I hold dm during first add phase and just send er and shiv.. by the time you get back to raz shiv and er should be backup and you’ll have exsang available for shield as well

[median mango]

yeah if I ignore it everything syncs super fine

[pseudo hamlet]

Okay, just realized 2CDs of Exang is 6 min and 3CDs of DM is also 6 min.

[median mango]

currently use dathea trinket and grieftorch to help with adds too

[lament warren]

no

you don’t

[formal cliff]

I'm feeling sadege not playing kb

[lament warren]

you keep exsang for 2nd dm

exsang and 3rd dm don’t line up

[formal cliff]

Gimme kb back blizzard

[lament warren]

unless you’re going to get exactly that many casts

[median mango]

but I feel like if I butcher the opener I can get a good bit of vanish deathmark in at the end of p1 too. Maybe I'll try that and let you know

[lament warren]

oh

hold up

i was thinking of 4th