assassination

[ebon notch]

i dont hate this ngl

[dense sierra]

Would Controlled Current Technique or Storm-Eater's Boon be a better vault trinket ?

[balmy condor]

Depends on the situation

[dense sierra]

progging Ras right now

so mostly that fight on Heroic

is it gonna be CCT any time on ST and Boon for AoE basically?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Cct is pretty good in raids

But boon is m+ only

[drowsy parcel]

can i catalyst something and valor upgrade it later

[thorn fjord]

Naah run boon on council and piss off the rest of the raid group when you get circle 🤣

And are stuck

[balmy condor]

Ye

[drowsy parcel]

cool thanks

[balmy condor]

Real

[spice spire]

Just cloak it nerd

[jade dirge]

what bosses u play sin on?=

[thorn fjord]

Me personally all of them except council

Prob run OL on grimtotem prog

Dunno yet

[balmy condor]

Sin forever

1000 years sin live

[thorn fjord]

I’ve seen you play pirate

[balmy condor]

Infinite age sin grows forever power scaling into the stars

[summer briar]

controlled would be the "overall" better one in the raid

[thorn fjord]

Your secrets safe tho

[balmy condor]

Never forget never give up

[summer briar]

but for council and m+ boon is the way to go with current

[wind totem]

I copied the raid build from the FAQ. It says if I want to drop Exsang to put the second point in improved poisons. However the point is already put there and in theory from looking at the image it should be put in shadowstep but if I don't want to put it in a dps talent point (since I can) where should I put it?

[limpid hearth]

Hello sin enjoyers, OL chat giving me cancer, how are you guys enjoying the changes?

[wind totem]

Image for reference

[balmy condor]

Bro huh?

[thorn fjord]

Def not complaining as hard as the pirates are right now lmao

[wind totem]

Let's simplify it. Where should I put the extra point lol

[balmy condor]

No idea

[limpid hearth]

Its a mad house, glad to see sin not malding out

[balmy condor]

That’s a fucked build

[wind totem]

that's the one from the faq

[balmy condor]

I guarantee you it isn’t

[wind totem]

I'm an idiot

[summer briar]

first sennarth kill today after 60 wipes on it , and my log look like shite

[wind totem]

Instead of pasting the import code in the import thing I put it in the name and it gave me default build lmao

[thorn fjord]

Guys literally been putting up comparisons showing there’s barely a difference and all you have to do is ps ambush or ss when you hit 5 cp land everybody is still losing their shit @limpid hearth

[summer briar]

whetstone 411 and current 408 trinkets and 418/415 wep

[thorn fjord]

I wouldn’t get caught up on prog kill parses

[summer briar]

played clean , 60 wipes and a singel mistake

[thorn fjord]

You’ll get em next time tiger

[summer briar]

yeah true

[balmy condor]

It’s fucking UNPLAYABLE STOP

WHY WONT YOU DOOM

[summer briar]

still hard too look at a green parse

[thorn fjord]

I’m a sin main it ain’t my first time at the rodeo… outlaw still feels fine lol

[limpid hearth]

If i see the word flow one more time i will have an aneurism

[summer briar]

havent played to much hc, but hc logs are "average decent"

[thorn fjord]

Heroic logs don’t matter 😛

[normal mist]

So i just obliterated my last week parse in grimtotem

[summer briar]

outlaw feels pretty much the same imop

[summer briar]

but i made the swap for assassin

[thorn fjord]

I agree

I play both but love my sinners

[normal mist]

Thats hc

[rain oyster]

im so fkn bad

[summer briar]

give me 5 weeks and my mythic logs will look like this xd

[limpid hearth]

Ive played the easy dtb sin build for heroic reclears so far, nice and comfy

[rain oyster]

have mythic sennarth killed and never realized you can just get gripped off the plat and step to her with double step assass, ignoring the whole fkn grip

yoooo fuuck

[jade dirge]

so go sin every boss right?

[summer briar]

agree

[limpid hearth]

We get exsang now right?

[rain oyster]

im so bad

[thorn fjord]

We’ve been taking exsang with 4p

Even with dtb

[steel ridge]

Someone has to green parse

[limpid hearth]

Oh I was out of the loop 😂

[thorn fjord]

Yeah is the same opener as KB minus the kb

[steel ridge]

Lfr logs

[thorn fjord]

And now kb is dead dead

[summer briar]

the thing is , comparing the rank 1 sin (without puzzle box) on sennarth mythic and my kill today, is only 11k dps diff, and 7k of that diff is his 421 manic torch and he had more crit

[limpid hearth]

Yeaa i skimmed the faq and saw that

[jade dirge]

that much aoe dmg?

[prisma cypress]

bros, i’ve been tempted to switch to sub because of stupid warcraftlogs statistics… talk me out of it (or not)

[limber lion]

Do it

[prisma cypress]

is it really justified to play assa for the maybe slightly a little bit better ST or is that just cope

[limber lion]

Just cope

Just change

[prisma cypress]

😦

[steel ridge]

Lmao

[limber lion]

Take the leap

[prisma cypress]

i do enjoy sub in keys

[balmy condor]

Kinda my fault, cause the poison easy mode dtb was like 1% worse and I suggested it everywhere as a general use thing, and now people like you are surprised we’re taking bleed talents and exsanguinate with dtb and Im in the tricky spot to be like “yeah we kinda always have, you’ve been playing unoptimally” but also be like “if you didn’t check the spreadsheets and look for the optimal builds or sim yourself, that’s on you” even though I’m the guy making all the info

[slow marsh]

then just play it

[balmy condor]

Kinda fucked situation to be in

[prisma cypress]

i’m talking raid though

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor i died because of you today

[slim hamlet]

Same

[marble hemlock]

not having cheat death cuz the FAQ import has elusiveness instead

[jaunty gulch]

same

[brazen zodiac]

👯‍♀️

[marble hemlock]

actual assassin

[slow marsh]

Not double checking talents after importing ....

[jaunty gulch]

so true so ture

[marble hemlock]

i trust whispyr with my life

[jaunty gulch]

fr fr

[slim hamlet]

do u also still have CB

[slow marsh]

well that's kinda awk then

[balmy condor]

You were literally the guy telling everyone to not go cheat all of shadowlands

[slim hamlet]

Because that was first import

[slow marsh]

since you kinda died

[marble hemlock]

i mean

i didnt even notice i didnt have cheat

until

[slim hamlet]

why u so big

[limpid hearth]

Lol all good, i was just vibing in reclears

[marble hemlock]

over 3hrs into raid

[jaunty gulch]

damn thats crazy.....

[regal hamlet]

idk about everyone else but im liking the changes for m+, getting lucky poison bomb procs on top of IC feels great

[marble hemlock]

and i didnt get heal for 8sec

sooo

[oak sky]

I remember seli leeching on halondrus

[balmy condor]

Oh so healer diff

[slow marsh]

did you feint tho

[jaunty gulch]

stg?

[oak sky]

Do you

[marble hemlock]

i didnt expect to need to feint

8sec into stormshield

was about to press it but then deadge

[balmy condor]

Oh, so healer diff

[summer briar]

the importency of critting with melee attack and seal fate stacks up fast

[slow marsh]

Sounds like a healer diff

[summer briar]

41 combo points more alone from seal fate in a 6.30 fight

[limber lion]

@ebon notch

[balmy condor]

Also looks like he just cast more though

[limpid hearth]

But did you press vial?

[summer briar]

yeah he had better uptime in stairs

[balmy condor]

Okay

So why are you surprised the crits are higher too

More casts means more crits

Makes sense to me

[summer briar]

700 more critt

[steel ridge]

imagine not having 34% crit

[summer briar]

6% more critt on aa in general

[slim hamlet]

too complicated

please make short version

[limber lion]

Using energy on poisoned knives which don't benefit from seal fate either

[balmy condor]

More

[slim hamlet]

ah

[limber lion]

Less melee casts, more ranged casts

[slim hamlet]

thanks

[limber lion]

lol

don't ever press pk

that shit is a dead button

[slow marsh]

i took it off my bars

legit

[balmy condor]

Same

[summer briar]

yeah casted a few knives to not overcap on energy while running back on webs

[limber lion]

good

[slow marsh]

i replaced it with sbs bind

[limpid hearth]

Woah waoh explosive week?

[limber lion]

it's LEGIT only good if you're at 0 sbs charges and out of range at 100% energy without any shadowsteps

[ebon notch]

i already told him

[limber lion]

a super duper niche thing

[ebon notch]

happened to me on rasz

[slim hamlet]

I do this when doing eggs on broodkeeper 🙂

[limber lion]

Just starve yourself before eggs

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but our route is the most cursed shit either

and i do 3rd egg

So I sometimes have to run miles

[limber lion]

The hitbox is super duper big, you should just melee

Or starve yourself

[slim hamlet]

Wtf

[slim hamlet]

u cant say this

😦

[summer briar]

well we had a portal on the backside of stair for some reason followed up by a web right after

so was bound to have some downtime there

[slim hamlet]

god i cant wait to prog on spider again tomorrow...

[summer briar]

boss is easy aslong as u dont have to many people with personal mistakes

[slim hamlet]

well

u see

[summer briar]

first fight we got to top platform with all people alive was kill

[slim hamlet]

there is an issue in that

[limber lion]

that applies to every single boss in existence.

[summer briar]

yeah indeed tell me more about it

[steel ridge]

you realise cev is some sort of demigod in this channel?

[slim hamlet]

only in this channel?

[balmy condor]

um actually you can throw dagger while flying between intermissions on razsageth and that means you get poisons on the boss earlier so when the damage reduction drops off of her, you get an extra tick

[spice spire]

Be kind to yourself

[slim hamlet]

I do this 🙂

[limber lion]

keep yourself safe.

[balmy condor]

yes but you're danish

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

Huh

[summer briar]

monday wipes, the frustration that comes with it is ....

[balmy condor]

the danes are sick in the head

we know this

[slim hamlet]

What that gotta do with it

😦

[slim hamlet]

what are all these numbers for

[summer briar]

deaths

on pulls

[slim hamlet]

deaths in %

huh

[steel ridge]

Its uptime

[limber lion]

How long they stayed alive

[slim hamlet]

ah

[limber lion]

100% means that they were alive the entire pull before wipe was called, which in default is after 3 deaths

[balmy condor]

the amount of people that slept with your mother, in percentage per capita

[limber lion]

or this.

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

I died approx 5 seconds into our very first pull on spooder since I have hated it

[slim hamlet]

u never named the 75 mothers yesterday

[spice spire]

Whispyr on one at 3:30 in the afternoon

This has to be a record

[slim hamlet]

Calling cap

[balmy condor]

I'm watching chess recap while eating taco bell

[summer briar]

i had one death all night , i shadowsteped back on webs to someone , but mouse was "clearly" not over my mage, so i steped to spider and got pulled out

[slim hamlet]

SS timing when pulled down is very weird

Like u are in range but fake range

[keen spruce]

you dn't ever have to leave melee range on spider

[limber lion]

Just get dragged off and shadowstep the boss after

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

You don't need to shadowstep anyone else ever

[keen spruce]

just walk awy from the boss

[limber lion]

no

you can literally be kissing the boss the entire pull

[slim hamlet]

U can be in melee and never be pulled off without ss

[summer briar]

does that actuelly work

[slim hamlet]

that shit is weak

at least as long as u arent on ice

[keen spruce]

but u don't need to leave melee range or get pulled off

[limber lion]

yes

[summer briar]

lol next week log is gonna be purple

[keen spruce]

just strafe against the pull

[limber lion]

too much work

just press step once

ez

[slim hamlet]

and get tp'd 20 miles back

lovely

[keen spruce]

but step puts you at the bottom of the stairs when boss is like almost at the top

[slim hamlet]

but the cool thing is

sometimes u dont 🙂

[balmy condor]

what

[summer briar]

this one

[balmy condor]

what

y'all stepping at some fucking GOOFY ass times

[slim hamlet]

Yea if u do it while he moving u get sent to the shadow realm

[keen spruce]

i'm not steppin at all

[slim hamlet]

so i only do it if he is still

[limber lion]

step the boss during platforms

[balmy condor]

call my micky mouse, cause this my clubhouse, and the dogs sleep outside

[keen spruce]

except in case of emergency

[limber lion]

get dragged into rocks during stairs

[balmy condor]

I'm getting rid of all you clowns

[slim hamlet]

you made me this way whispyr

u are all i know about this game

[keen spruce]

when our warlock drops a gate directly onto a tornado

sometimes u gotta step on the stairs

instead of using rock

[balmy condor]

then you would know better than step sending you into the shadow realm

[slim hamlet]

if u use while he moving

but i dont do that

[balmy condor]

step has fucked me maybe 5 times total across all 90 pulls on spider

[slim hamlet]

I just know that happens

[keen spruce]

but on platforms u can just go max melee range and strafe against the pull and never need to step

[balmy condor]

and they were recoverable

and I was in range of boss

and just sucked it up

and walked back

[slim hamlet]

I have like 20 pulls combined

[limber lion]

same

[slim hamlet]

heroic and normal and myffic combined

[balmy condor]

okay

and?

[slim hamlet]

ive only ss'd on heroic and few risky times on myffic.

[balmy condor]

if you don't step like a dumbass, it doesn't put you in tibet

it's thats easy

[slim hamlet]

Didnt know u got sent shadowrealm until i tried it

[slim hamlet]

I KNOW

REEEEEE

[keen spruce]

it doesn't shadowrealm u

on platforms

[balmy condor]

THEN DONT SAY IT DOES

JUST PLAY BETTER

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

STOP BEING BAD

[slim hamlet]

I SAID IF U DO IT WHILE HE MOVING IT DOES

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[next edge]

We got spider at 3% today

[spice spire]

Don’t tell me what to do

[next edge]

in 9 pulls

because reclear was giga scuffed

so its a 100% death in Sunday

and then we go Kurog

[spice spire]

4 heal time

[limber lion]

what's wrong with kurog

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

kurog must be infinitely better than spider

[balmy condor]

it's 2 weeks of prog for 2 days of progression

[next edge]

I want to fight it asap

it looks rl cool

[summer briar]

we recleared up to sennarth with 0 wipes today (first week without wipes) then 3 pulled sennarth and had 5 pulls on kurog with best being 60%

[slim hamlet]

wtf does this mean

[balmy condor]

min guild forsøgte at 4 helbrede i 2 uger

[wild storm]

@balmy condor how often are you changing talents per different m+ dungeon? If at all. finally getting to swap back to rogue for my raid team 🙂

[limber lion]

he was progressing the boss with 4 healers because his rl is stubborn

[limber lion]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[balmy condor]

not at all

[wild storm]

dope. ty

[nocturne current]

@balmy condor The blue combo points count as a 7 for poison bomb procc?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slim hamlet]

bro

[wild storm]

does this include tyranical/fort weeks? Just maintaining same talents?

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

It's fine, it's not super duper interesting but it's not that bad either. Mid boss.

[next edge]

After spider

everything looks amazing

ngl

[limber lion]

Idk why everyone hates spider

[spice spire]

Bad news on dathea

[slim hamlet]

I feel like all these bosses look kinda wack

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

that shit's easy and chill

slam boss

slide with the boys

[slim hamlet]

only mildly interesting is broodkeeper imo

[next edge]

because my partners are inting

[limber lion]

broodkeeper is legitimately the worst boss in the entire raid

in terms of excitement

[slim hamlet]

possibly

but it has something in it

[limber lion]

it's legit more boring than Eranog

as boss-dps-killer-man

there's nothing you do

you just do your rotation

[slim hamlet]

yea thats why I want to do eggs

something to do

[limber lion]

a moving patchwork that suddenly chunks 100% of your hp in a second

[slim hamlet]

But u cant tell me all the other bosses arent just as wack

Kurog mildly interesting too

[limber lion]

No

Legit

Brood is the most boring boss

out of them all

And it's not even close

[slim hamlet]

well

Then they all fucking suck

[limber lion]

Dathea might be more aids with tornados

[slim hamlet]

is that better

[limber lion]

Kurog is fine

Spider is fine

[slim hamlet]

NO

[limber lion]

Council is boring

[slim hamlet]

it is not

[minor gate]

i don't know where to ask this but i need some help with my dmg i know that externals are missing in the raid but 10k is a lot to be missing https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4WvseEUHUbFk9R3yb5noLf

[limber lion]

Eranog is whatever

Terros is good-ish

[minor gate]

also sennarth = fun

[slim hamlet]

Kurog and brood seems the most interesting, but I will also be doing eggs

if u actually just afk boss then yea

[limber lion]

posting a screenshot and linking a sim does nothing

You need to link the log

[slim hamlet]

and also I know eggs arent that special but there is also nothing to do on any other boss

[limber lion]

what do you expect us to do with a picture of your dps

[balmy condor]

pink logs

99's

across the board

have it on my desk by friday

thanks

[spice spire]

Best he can do is gold :/

[slim hamlet]

only 99

smh

[minor gate]

do you want the full night or a kill?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8Lpj3FGw9CRJmtHW

thats the full night

ignore dathia

they wanted me on adds

[slim hamlet]

no 🙂

[minor gate]

well its outlaw so

[slim hamlet]

ew

[minor gate]

thats what i said

[merry raven]

got grieftorch from timewalking chest 😩

[minor gate]

now you'll never see it again

[slim hamlet]

We have seen a single grieftorch in our raids since expansions started 🙂

[true rapids]

Why does Sigryn break out blind in MT sometimes?

I'm not hitting her with anything

[slim hamlet]

wtf is sigryn

[true rapids]

mage tower boss

[merry raven]

i mean this is an alt thats only 386 so its a +19 ilvl upgrade over the trash im currently wearing

[slim hamlet]

oh

is there cool stuff in mage tower for rogue?

Feel like they kinda uggo besides druid

[true rapids]

transmog

[minor gate]

one normal one heroic the same DK

[limber lion]

Terros:

1. Missing raid buffs* (GIGA)
2. Not using best potions, enchants, phial and so on (GIGA)
3. Opener bad
4. Not using vanish before 2nd Exsang
5. Not holding 4min cds for potion at 5 minutes
6. Wasting combo points by Mutilating at 5-6cp and using shiv at high cp.
7. Wasting energy a bit with tea
8. Garrote dropped for 10+ seconds

[slim hamlet]

GIGA

[limber lion]

windfury is like 4k by itself

fyi

[slim hamlet]

wait do we actually want to hold exsang 2 whole minutes for pot?

[limber lion]

I guess raid buffs is a better term for wft than external

[slim hamlet]

or is it specific for kll timer

[limber lion]

Kill timer specific

You would send it with deathmark

So if boss dies at 5:40

you would hold 3min exsang

and the 4min deathmark

[slim hamlet]

ye

[limber lion]

and send them all at 5 minutes with potion

otherwise at 4 minutes

[slim hamlet]

Alright

[merry raven]

btw does ass care about whelp shell? if so, aoe or single target training?

[slim hamlet]

not rly

[balmy condor]

depends what caring means

my dad never taught me

[slim hamlet]

its good but not good good

[minor gate]

dang my opener's that bad?

[slim hamlet]

flexing having a dad

toxic

[limber lion]

Terros one is pretty tragic, idk if you do it better somewhere else.

[balmy condor]

oh god

yeah

that terros opener

is not it

[slim hamlet]

I need to see now

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

that shiv

[slim hamlet]

oh

[balmy condor]

is so gigachad

[slim hamlet]

yeah

[outer lodge]

[limber lion]

Yeh

[slim hamlet]

the double muti is gigachad

after er

[limber lion]

The Shiv is completely gone when you slam Deathmark

[spice spire]

That’s one mut

Notice time stamp

[limber lion]

Applied at 07:70, Deathmark at 15:98

[minor gate]

someone ran the pillar onto me on that one

[slim hamlet]

oh

[limber lion]

Yeh that happens, that's fine

[spice spire]

@normal olive this one’s for you homie

Memes aside, yeah that opener was tragic. Cev hit the major points

[minor gate]

might just puzzle on pull at this point

[balmy condor]

[minor gate]

shiv though when do i do that

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

that's what you got out of this?

[slim hamlet]

just unequip it

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

you press dm

then you shiv

shiv lasts for 8s

deathmark lasts for 16s

[minor gate]

im mad tired bro

[limber lion]

as long as you get the entire shiv inside those 16 seconds, you're fine

but pressing shiv 9s before you press deathmark

is not it

[summer briar]

your opener vs mine on terros , nearly 20k diff in dps (overall on this 2)

[slim hamlet]

wtf is that sbs

smh

wait

[limber lion]

wtfffffffff

[slim hamlet]

oh looked at wrong one

[limber lion]

you made the opener EVEN worse

[spice spire]

You also fumbled the bag here chief

[limber lion]

holy moly

[slim hamlet]

wait who is who

its so abd

[limber lion]

ok fine you win

[slim hamlet]

i dont want to

[limber lion]

You have the worst opener

congrats

[balmy condor]

my eyes

hurt

so much

[slim hamlet]

i cant

Im rerolling

goodbye fellow players

[limber lion]

The only thing missing from that screenshot

is exsang after dm

[slim hamlet]

@balmy condor Knows about that one I heard

He is trained in the hidden tech

[balmy condor]

I still parsed higher than you ever will

[jaunty gulch]

say less

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

[jaunty gulch]

@balmy condor When do I use puzzle box

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

my highest is a 98'er

[minor gate]

also i never know when to pot

[spice spire]

Until this ends

I will be puzzlebox

[balmy condor]

macro it into dm

[brazen zodiac]

[slim hamlet]

@spice spire when do i use puzzlebox

[summer briar]

my opener might be bad according to some people but

[spice spire]

When you get some bitches

[jaunty gulch]

Nah nah but for real for real no cap

[slim hamlet]

might aswell disenchant it

[limber lion]

ilvl ranking in lfr doesn't matter much

[balmy condor]

nah nah, ATROCIOUS

[summer briar]

its hc

[balmy condor]

you couldn't pay me

[summer briar]

lfr is 9999999

[balmy condor]

to make an opener that bad

[slim hamlet]

I mean

Is it time for minminning again?

[spice spire]

Normal 414 ilvl

[slim hamlet]

I bet I can fit all cds and make a worse opener

will be tough

[balmy condor]

bro applied improved garrote twice

[runic hinge]

Exsang from stealth

[balmy condor]

and then overwrote them

both times

[slim hamlet]

U start with vanish

[balmy condor]

allergic to improved garrote

[static glacier]

!fuu

[limber lion]

Like legit that is the worst opener I have ever seen

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[limber lion]

It breaks all rules

you probably missclicked Exsanguinate before Deathmark

[runic hinge]

I’m going home after work and just practicing my opener so I never get roasted this hard

[marble hemlock]

i shouldnt have checked in here before i went to bed

this opener gonna haunt my dreams

[subtle tundra]

thank god i cant read

[spice spire]

You’ve been blessed this day my man

[visual sequoia]

Puzzle box before exanguate or after

[spice spire]

Before

[limber lion]

doesn't really matter

[slim hamlet]

vanish-shiv-garrote-garrote-rup-garrote-rup-dm-exsang-er-rup-garrote

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

after actually

after is the ideal play

[spice spire]

On the same global I’d assume is what you mean?

[limber lion]

something like that

[spice spire]

That sentence structure was unholy

Apologies

[limber lion]

macroing them together is a gain

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

The rare macro gain

[visual sequoia]

Macroboys

[spice spire]

Haven’t had to learn the tricks because one hasn’t dropped

[slim hamlet]

bro

I had to look at it again

why is blood fury just randomly after sbs

I need to know

[rain oyster]

so how many of you knew that on sennarth you can get gripped off the plat, fall like 20 yards, and still step up back to the plat

[balmy condor]

everyone

[slim hamlet]

erveryone 🙂

[rain oyster]

IM SOO BAD

[limber lion]

I'm hoping most do

[slim hamlet]

hey man look 6 messsages over u

[spice spire]

It’s talked about a lot here

[true rapids]

I cannot get a good run on the mt man

[rain oyster]

legit myythic senn killed. always ran to back of plat

[true rapids]

just bad mechanic stacks

[slim hamlet]

u can just be in melee and strafe

and not have to do ss

unless u on ice

[balmy condor]

nah that's just how it is, those overlaps are timed

they aren't rng

[true rapids]

I got bladestorm ontop of the runes ontop of the thrown fire

[balmy condor]

yes

that's one of the overlaps

[rain oyster]

well you dont even have to think about it if you just get gripped off and step back. unless its at a bad "checckpoint"

[cloud moat]

Tbh I don't think it's that big of a deal

[rain oyster]

couple of secs of uptime

[cloud moat]

Unless you want to parse hard

[slim hamlet]

muh logs

[devout remnant]

if u get gripped off and u insta step back it work? or u have to w8 to fall a few seconds?

[slim hamlet]

u dont wanna wait too long

even if in range u just cant if u fall too far

[balmy condor]

I mean it removes an entire mechanic

[rain oyster]

insta, wait, who cares

up to you

mech doesnt exist

[limber lion]

if you do it too early, you'll continue to get dragged after you step and might risk falling again

just get gripped off entirely before you do

no reason not to

[rain oyster]

double step as backup 5Head

[devout remnant]

chad

[limber lion]

thank god single step poison dtb is dead

[slim hamlet]

i usually just panic spam it 🙂

[devout remnant]

is assa giga broken on council with shiv update?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[limber lion]

giga mid

[slim hamlet]

[cloud moat]

[slim hamlet]

Sin broken in anything?

[balmy condor]

giga broken because it's not very good

and they need to fix that

because it's a dot spec that's mediocre in cleave

[slim hamlet]

here he goes

surely they fix it right whispyr

[cloud moat]

🫂

[slim hamlet]

just like exsang

[slow marsh]

Hey guys don't over-react. We're decent

[slim hamlet]

we are decent

just worse in everything than our other specs

besides terros

I guess

[spice spire]

Nah I’m dooming

[cloud moat]

You sure about that

[slim hamlet]

no

[cloud moat]

[slim hamlet]

I suppose its the kill times that make our logs not impressive

[devout remnant]

I like diurna too since I always be on boss

[slim hamlet]

@cloud moat stop coping all my messages

😦

[limber lion]

maybe!! maybe if the bosses lasted for 30 minutes we could have 10 minutes of EXECUTE!! which is bIG damages

LONGER fight LONGER execute MORE DAM

[slim hamlet]

holy

thats big

[summer briar]

Fat finger , changed to orc today from blood elf , but highest top log on Terros and high logs have ex->dm

[slim hamlet]

so we signing stuff like the outlaw players?

That shit is soo good

[jade abyss]

now everything make sense for me o.o

[limber lion]

See this is the correct opener.

Now compare that to your opener

[slim hamlet]

sign a petition for 30 minutes last boss next tier

[balmy condor]

exsang into dm wasn't the thing you got clowned for

[autumn valve]

Good evening, following these changes, what do you think of the new gameplay in mm+ and do you find it stronger.

[slim hamlet]

I feel better in m+

I think I do same damage

But I dont feel usless in boss

[subtle tundra]

eh

before i'd feel useless

then climb on dps

at the end

and feel good

[slim hamlet]

yea

thats kinda what blindside and zoldyck does

[summer briar]

I know , but it was mentioned

[limber lion]

it was the only thing you did right

[magic vine]

it was mentioned as what you did right lol

[limber lion]

that's why it was mentioned

everything else was incorrect

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

bro is lost

[slim hamlet]

man

his dreams

in shambles

shattered

[jaunty gulch]

I'm lost

how can I be found

[slim hamlet]

Hi Lost I'm dad

[jaunty gulch]

Actually hold up one sec

one serious question for a moment

Assuming 6 minutes

[autumn valve]

why? the loss of zoldyck is not too penalizing on the boss?

[jaunty gulch]

am I holding Exang for DMark?

[slim hamlet]

nah

[limber lion]

everything on pull, everything at 5mins

[slim hamlet]

u get DTB and PB instead

[limber lion]

that's the answer

[slim hamlet]

much nicer

[jaunty gulch]

ok ok but uhhh

[spice spire]

Amen god bless

[jaunty gulch]

we really just full sending the naked Exang?

[limber lion]

dm 0, dm 2, dm 5

[jaunty gulch]

sheesh

[slim hamlet]

well not nicer, but better I guess

[limber lion]

exsang 0, exsang 5

[jaunty gulch]

goddamn that sucks

[spice spire]

6:30 changes it

[limber lion]

full naked exsang?

[jaunty gulch]

like just dots

[limber lion]

did you not understand what I said

when I said

[jaunty gulch]

no I think i did

[limber lion]

everything

You hold Exsang

for 2 mins

[slim hamlet]

Imagine that exsang is basically a 5 min cd for beginning now

and its still taken

[balmy condor]

what if it's a 37:13 kill time and the moon is out at 3pm on a thurday

[slim hamlet]

That is insane to me

[limber lion]

You use it at 5 minutes with dm + box + potion

[spice spire]

Be kind to yourself

[jaunty gulch]

ohhh kk kk

yeye copy

thats what I thought initially

[limber lion]

Everything at 0, dm + vanish at 2, everything at 5min

[slim hamlet]

dont u sleep at 3pm usually?

[cloud moat]

got em

[jaunty gulch]

Check Pins

also when do I use puzzlebox

(pls dont ban me I'm new)

[limber lion]

no worries

we'll just mute instead.

[slim hamlet]

U don't get banned u get kicked for a little while 🙂

[jaunty gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-no-no-emote-emote-nooo-emote-gif-23071619

[clever crow]

the

[slim hamlet]

the

[sturdy mesa]

Guys we use Mark before Exsanguinate right?..

[slim hamlet]

yep

[sturdy mesa]

[subtle tundra]

my shadow dance is (assuming 0 cp) gloomblade ss evis ss until 6+cp st

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr just sandbagging by saying its other way around

[minor urchin]

anyone know how to fix the health/energy bar?

[slim hamlet]

Thats why he does dm into exsang himself

[slim hamlet]

what did u just call me?

[subtle tundra]

ugly

[sturdy mesa]

Ah he's fooling people into playing it wrong so he can top meters?

[slim hamlet]

[slim hamlet]

yup

[versed mica]

Does Realz know how shit kingsbane is now?

Not asking aggressively, just curious

[slim hamlet]

he must

[exotic hearth]

So I forget about shiv A LOT during raid. How much of a dps loss is that? And where is the most crucial time to use it?

[ember relic]

After dm, on cd

[slim hamlet]

use so its whole duration is in dm

other than that slam cd

[warm urchin]

Should we be using envenom a bunch in aoe now instead of CT spam? Bc of poison bomb

[wary ether]

im trying the assa mage tower challenge and it seems incredibly tight dps wise, my guess is that its my missing 4 set

[slim hamlet]

waiyt

we dont have borrowed power in tower right?

[minor gate]

is anyone else having issues untalenting unbreakable stride

[wary ether]

setbonuses work

[keen spruce]

no

[slim hamlet]

yes

[versed mica]

Ngl, glad the new build doesn't use 2 charge shiv. After playing with toxicblade/shiv for many expansions my brain had a stupid amount of difficulty to not slam shiv on cd

[keen spruce]

correct

[keen spruce]

ok

[teal bloom]

ok

[keen spruce]

[slim hamlet]

at least whispyr just said earlier we only spam ct on 6+

[versed mica]

CT spam

[slim hamlet]

slowly begin using it earlier at 4 and up

whatever that means

[keen spruce]

okay but the way he worded that made it seem like he was gonna be envenoming a bunch in 6+ targets

[slim hamlet]

ohh

yea

no

is this all we can get from magetower

and then the mount?

Cuz that kinda uggo

[dense jolt]

while I'm aware you shouldn't use raidbots output as your rotation, not sure how it pulls this one off

[teal bloom]

ah raidbots is a fellow garrote enjoyer

[slim hamlet]

didnt we just laugh that that guy did shiv after ER

clearly its bis

[dense jolt]

my favorite opener lol

[teal bloom]

sepsis gigachad

[still sable]

Heya guys, I'm a newer rogue trying to wrap my head around the sin talentspec. Iam looking at wowhead and icyveins and googled and sin should be the easiest spec of then all but somehow I almost 5 extra spells compared to sub and outlaw.. am I doing something wrong?

[slim hamlet]

hmm

I doubt sin is easiest spec for beginner

I only have like 2-3 more buttons tho dont know where u got all those from

OR I guess only 1-2 now since kb is deadge

[rancid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-pesci-what-the-fuck-wtf-wtf-is-that-what-the-fuck-is-this-gif-24937450

[slim hamlet]

🙂

[rancid bane]

me looking at the new assassination tree

[balmy condor]

untalent sepsis immediately

cursed

[slim hamlet]

Can't make us

Sepsis enjoyers rise up

[dense jolt]

I don't trust the sims anymore when it pulls off a mid combat 5 garrotes

sepsis rise up

[autumn frost]

Sparkey go play outlay if you're doing keys!

*outlaw

if you want to learn an easy spec and do lots of damage

[slim hamlet]

I heard from jlp the guy that outlaw is dead

[keen spruce]

outlaw feels fine

[still sable]

Mostly iam trying to learn the basis of all 3 specs so not trying to time keys or something. But I'm a bit overwhelmed

[keen spruce]

still doin over 100k in algethars

[balmy condor]

yeh assassination in mythic+ is really really hard honestly

[slim hamlet]

ofc if u talk about a dung where u hit aoe cap on all pulls

[grim tangle]

everyone does over 100k in academy

[keen spruce]

still doing over 80-90k in other dungeons

[slim hamlet]

yea

it was sarcastic

[keen spruce]

no sarcasm

[slim hamlet]

but

JPC unironically regemmed recrafted and enchanted his gear for sub

[keen spruce]

I mean sub was pretty close in performance to outlaw before the change

[slim hamlet]

ye

[keen spruce]

so i woudln't be surprised if it's just generally better now

[slim hamlet]

He also said "sub got buffed 2%"

While all u got was acrobatic for free

:))

[keen spruce]

maybe jpc is out of melee range 2% of the time

[slim hamlet]

I love jsp the boy

[still sable]

But am I safe to say that basicly mutilate is my all-round cp builder and envenom the main spender right

[eternal vortex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

its a bit more complicated

[balmy condor]

his discord was exploding

[slim hamlet]

why?

[balmy condor]

outlaw dead

[slim hamlet]

just chatters?

Yea

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

I'm really enjoying DTB everywhere in raid

[slim hamlet]

NO SHOT

THAT EMOTE IS CALLED OUTLAWNERF

[balmy condor]

bunch of howler monkeys in that channel man

[slim hamlet]

begin enjoying it more on dathea

scrub

[normal mist]

I do enjoy it on dathea

BUT

[slim hamlet]

enjoy it harder

more fearsome

[normal mist]

RL doesnt let me just stick to boss

i gotta go do adds 😦

[slim hamlet]

on hc?

[normal mist]

yeah

[slim hamlet]

couldnt be me

[still sable]

I guess I'll give it a few days playing sin and just talent out of most active abilities and see if I can make something out of it. Thanks anyways everyone

[slim hamlet]

I dont even think our rl knows i just do boss

[normal mist]

LOL

CHAD

[autumn frost]

I didn't realize outlaw got nerfed

[slim hamlet]

yeah spec deadge

out the window

[autumn frost]

Still probably better in keys then assassination.

[slim hamlet]

yea

sin has never been alive

[teal bloom]

Assassination gigachad mdi spec now

[slim hamlet]

I think spriest will be in mdi with recent changes

Spriest, rogue, boomkin, prevoker, prot/brew

wait

no

[still sable]

I went on vaults raid today with my main and I noticed a lot of difference on most specs being way more close to eachother with damage than before.

[slim hamlet]

too little interrupts for these insane dungs

[serene tusk]

Question. Why don't we press thistle tea before the big cooldowns like exang and death mark? Wouldn't they benefit from the bonus mastery?

[slim hamlet]

enhance over boomkin

wait no

shit

no spriest

sad

Apparently arms got like a 10% buff in ST

🙂

[half fjord]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cloud moat]

You do use the first charge during ex DM tho

[serene tusk]

Oh okay. Was just curious cause it doesn't show TT in the assassination faq

Thank you

[spare crow]

[slim hamlet]

man if KIR was good I would play outlaw

and enjoy it

[cloud moat]

Yes it does

[slim hamlet]

sadly they decided to nerf it extra for some reason

[serene tusk]

Thanks!

[slim hamlet]

sorry will need that in a voice message

cant read

[magic vine]

its in the faq

[slim hamlet]

When will whispyr make an asmr video with everything in the faq

[spare crow]

~-5% is still viable.

[slim hamlet]

I would watch that

[slim hamlet]

yeah

surv hunter is viable

am i gonna play surv hunter

also wasnt it 5% before

and now its extra nerfed

[spare crow]

I won't argue further this is assa channel.

[cloud moat]

The only thing I can imagine is a broken man on the brink of complete mental meltdown, desperately repeating himself to his loyal monkey followers who keep asking the same question(s) over and over

[slim hamlet]

As if we ever talk about sin rogue in here

[slim hamlet]

sounds like content to me

[spare crow]

it sims -4.7% to me and i have good gear

and has infinite more utility

if you have boon you need to use shadowstep meaning you don't go subterfuge with dance + ho build, which means the gap is even smaller so in the end it's up to your preference.

[slim hamlet]

Fair

5% is a lot tho

like

a lot a lot

[spare crow]

it's not -5% if you need to use shadowstep

it's less

~-2.5% iirc

[lean sapphire]

Anyone know if there is a breakpoint for crit?

[slim hamlet]

dont u get ss on ho now for free

[magic vine]

fuu's got "top kir build" as -0.21 from top build st

[slim hamlet]

unless u count CB

[spare crow]

yes but he's talking about ds not st

[magic vine]

ah yea, ds is -5.2

[spare crow]

if you drop cb

even less dps

kir doesn't have that issue

[slim hamlet]

Sounds like you're coping to me

[spare crow]

alright ill let the sim do the talking

brb

[slim hamlet]

everything over 1% is a lot

imo

if not I wouldnt play exsang

[magic vine]

exsang is what, -2?

[slim hamlet]

idk

last time i checked was 1.2%

[spare crow]

now that is coping.

[slim hamlet]

I think an upgrade of 0.5% is a lot tbh

[spare crow]

not if you drop infinite utility for it, no.

[slim hamlet]

u say that, but what do you get

leeching

?

or what is it

[frigid pilot]

Is aoe build worse or better since patch on council?

[slim hamlet]

better

[frigid pilot]

Awesome

Do we just use the m+ one in the faq?

[slim hamlet]

think there is a specific one in wowhead

"raid tips"

dont know if its any different

[nocturne current]

409 -> 414 in one night

[proper tapir]

M+ should not be the same as Council since you won't take Iron Wire

[balmy condor]

and you want sbs

[slim hamlet]

I just want happiness

[dark token]

415->415 in 2 weeks

And we extending when we got to raz

[lean sapphire]

Can anyone tell me if there is any breakpoints for crit? haste has started to sim higher for me

[nocturne current]

[slim hamlet]

34 (this is a joke dont take it seriously)

[dark token]

Yes but you ignore them and just do what sim says for gear

Sometimes stats are good even past breakpoints

Often the case for crit

Crit is still good even past 10%

[split grail]

Just confirming real quick that you exsang before you DM. Cause that seems backwards to me

[lean sapphire]

So if sims says higher for crit haste on ring, i should go with that

?

[dark token]

Sim gear and equip best thing

[sudden canyon]

im struggling to setup a keybind system that works across all forms of content (raid,m+,pvp) with all the new options for talents its hard keeping consistent keybinds for certain spells

[dark token]

I would check crit mast, mast haste, and crit haste combos

For me haste+ mastery gems are vis for ezample

[teal bloom]

@split grail If you exsang after deathmark, you half deathmark's duration as it's a bleed

[dark token]

Pvp will never be consistent with PvE keybinds

[split grail]

Right but wouldn't it pump harder for a bigger burst? I mean I'll exsang before but it just doesn't make sense to me

[dark token]

You need totally different stuff

Macros for focus kidney and sap and shit

[sudden canyon]

even between m+ and raid its pita for me rn.

[teal bloom]

@split grail the strength of deathmark isn't its bleed but the duplication of garrote/rupture and poisons and you half the time you duplicate them if you exsang after deathmark

[dark token]

No?

What is the problem

I use the exact same buttons for raid and m+

[cloud moat]

Good luck 🫂

[dark token]

Across all 3 spec

[sudden canyon]

u use IC and exang?

[split grail]

Roger, thanks for explaining it to me. I wasn't getting it

[dark token]

Yes?

Exang is X, IC is shift f

For me

Exang and IC are definitely used in aoe raid fights

[twilit lagoon]

IS it because Exsang causes the duplicated poisons from deathmark to fade if you use it after deathmark? Or does the quantity of debuffs affect something?

[teal bloom]

deathmark falls of faster and so does the duplication effect which only lasts as long as deathmark is active

all duplicates instantly stop existing when deathmark ends

[lusty surge]

can anyone else not use stealth

just getting a "you cant do that yet" error

[sudden canyon]

it happened to me yesterday a reload fixed it

i think thats what fixed it

[lusty surge]

yea i had to hearth to valdrakken

reloading didnt work

[twilit lagoon]

ok, that mnakes total sense

[indigo pollen]

IS ANYONE DOING 100 MILLION DPS YET?

don't think i've seen this channel stop that hard ever

[lusty surge]

oh its literally the for imbu world quest

its just straight up disabled there

[frigid pilot]

whats the secret to parsing raz again

[devout remnant]

would u guys recommend assa over outlaw on sennarth? not on parse mind, but on dmg to boss and big spider

[indigo pollen]

i recommend assa over outlaw pretty much any time because I don't like the gun

[strange python]

Sin will do more damage to the boss. Big spider...maybe, depends if shivs line up

And how long it lives

Sin is honestly preferable for almost every fight to outlaw despite what the stats say

[cloud moat]

Honestly I'd say just play the one you prefer to play there

[strange python]

Notable exceptions being dathea and kurog

[devout remnant]

even dathea?

and i think rasza?

[strange python]

Dathea is debatable based on comp

I played outlaw and it was a mistake, holding DPS on the infusers every pull made outlaw bad. Sub would've been better

But sin has a tough time on platforms

[tough gorge]

Holding dps?

[strange python]

All three specs are good on raz, but sin will help you kill shields which is one of the pain points.

[strange python]

Yes?

[devout remnant]

on council my outlaw sims 4tar way high the sin, but on real fight i'm just horrible with outlaw

[sudden canyon]

sometimes it did let me

[devout remnant]

on that fight

[sudden canyon]

i guess i was running out of the wq zone

[boreal cloud]

Assa is bis spec on sennarth imo. You don't lose a lot of DPS from downtime and cooldowns line up well with fight timer. Fight length (~6:40) is also perfect to get juicy execute phase

[strange python]

I mean council is honestly a joke

It doesn't matter what spec you play