assassination

[delicate berry]

Never really liked either talent

[spice spire]

Pretty sizable for both tbh

What would you add?

[strange python]

When should i press puzzle box when playing DTB + exsang in the opener?

before applying amped rupture i assume?

[royal lantern]

check the faq

it has the opener

[spice spire]

Faq has all your timers but the tldr is right before Exsang

[royal lantern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019199475421552651/1067653923856470026/image.png?width=810&height=293

[strange python]

thanks

[delicate berry]

I liked running with an extra shiv usage for example

[crude sinew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire

god bless u gamer

[languid pier]

How this changes affect us?

i saw i have a little less sutain in energy but dunno

[vestal wren]

you can macro puzzle box to exsang

but you need to make sure to use it off gcd

[spice spire]

Why?

[viscid spear]

Because

[brazen zodiac]

i saw the trolls before i sensed ur doom

also my keyboard broke

[spice spire]

Oh please that was legitimately nothing

[viscid spear]

It was entertaining

[strange python]

can u someone link talents for council please

[left loom]

why in opener we have rupture ->ER-> Rupture i dont get it. First rupture is far from pandemic

[royal lantern]

you always pandemic

the dot doesnt need to be always over

[spice spire]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQLJSSSiElEAAAAAAAJBgIAAAAAAASBJSJJIJJpEIJkIEJJA

From wowhead

[royal lantern]

like, you can re-apply a rupture at 20sec and it gives max pandemic timer

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/vault-of-the-incarnates-raid-tips

[royal lantern]

i saw that and thought you did annoyed button mashing

[frigid pilot]

need 1 more soloshuffle and i can upgrade my chest to 415

😮

[spice spire]

Whispyr kinda cracked

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s why I did some follow up

Codes are funny ngl

[frigid pilot]

ayo is it 6 max charges for each char for the season or at 1 time?

catalyst

[tender kelp]

yeah wondering if i get some talent tree if i just randomly click on my keyboard for a few seconds

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

At one time

[craggy gust]

Swapped over to assassination just now and couldn't figure out why my kingsbane wasn't working 😅

Didn't realize the talent change happened today

Now I don't know what to do with my build

[frigid pilot]

so im good to send a catalyst upgrade on a 415 chest to get 20 ilvl

[oak sky]

Sure

[boreal cloud]

if I dont have puzzle box, do I still hold exsang for 1 min to sync with deathmark or do I just send it?

[jagged niche]

is it worth to delay exsang for deathmark again?

[wooden sentinel]

guys, what are the new talents for MM+ now ? Do you have an example of a good template?

Tested by pro/streamers i mean ahah

[boreal cloud]

@jagged niche timing

[jagged niche]

dont tell me i should have just scrolled up

was just a going into raid thing and asking a quick question

[boreal cloud]

no i asked the same question as you 10s earlier

although im p sure on sennarth with 6:40 fight time i send at 3 mins so i have it up again at 6

it prolly lines up with 2nd add also

[rigid snow]

Hey guys what should i craft?

I already crafted the neck and weapon

[rain oyster]

Where does shadow step put you if you step at the last second of sennarth web pull? Can you use it to not run to back of plat?

[rotund wagon]

Yes

Just tosses you back on the plat in front of him

[rain oyster]

Gonna have to try it. Maybe with double step timed right you don’t even have to move for it

Thx!

[static wadi]

So how we feelin in m+ now? havent testet yet

[frigid pilot]

to craft or not to craft that is the question

https://tenor.com/view/shakespeare-gif-8225094

[dim tide]

quick question - should i delay 3rd vanish and death mark for 2nd exang?

[glossy vector]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

Someones trying to throw a petition around to get the OL nerfs rolled back lol

wtf

[royal lantern]

sanest outlaw player

@midnight mist tell them to calm down man

[spice spire]

Correct

[spice spire]

That person is banned here

[sand elm]

we're running AP/IC for primal council right?

[marble hemlock]

depends on the point of the fight

sometimes it puts you right in front of her

sometimes it puts you at the middel of the regular tank platform still

its basically a bit like a "checkpoint" system

[hidden dirge]

No more Kingsbane, Double Shiv, Blindside and Zoldyck Recipe is also gone for m+ build - feelsbad man

[boreal glacier]

is the new dtb m+ build any good on council ?

[coarse sparrow]

Haven’t been able to find a source, but what’s the reasoning for kingsblade being unviable in 10.05? Do we just run dragon tempered now for ST?

[sand elm]

does less damage + KB really benefitted for zoldyck

[thorn fjord]

@coarse sparrow its trash now

[sand elm]

it wont be bad, but i saw something about running ap/ic for council so im gonna be trying that

[coarse sparrow]

So does our overall ST damage suffer a bit now since Dragon simmed lower previously?

[sand elm]

dtb was higher than kb previously

[royal lantern]

dmg is the same

we lost build variety

but dmg didnt change

[coarse sparrow]

Fair fair, thank you for the answers

[midnight phoenix]

Hey guys, we still use KB for raz?

[sand elm]

no reason to ever use kb now i dont think

[royal lantern]

we are still "high st, but 0 aoe, and get out dps by sub in st anyway, oh and the 20000other specs that do more st and also have good aoe and cleave:) "

aka nothing changed

[boreal glacier]

maybe on raza still ?

[rapid forum]

just played assa for terros, fuck me does playing without double shiv suck

[midnight phoenix]

Also when Whispyr is talking about a -10% damage of we use exsan with death mark, if i exsan first then apply death mark does it still drop my dps?

[sand elm]

i dont see why. kb is less damage

[short ravine]

can some1 help me, wowhead guid telling me to play exsanguinate with the DTB build but doenst tell me where or how to use it in opener or any part of the rotation?

[strange python]

Kurog CD timings are so awkward jeez

[tender kelp]

is it worth craftin flaring cowl when i dont have the ring? i mean, im just scared that i wont drop next spark anytime soon so idk if i should use it on that

[sand elm]

u dont need to use exsang if u dont want. its around 1.5% or so iirc

[midnight phoenix]

Also when Whispyr is talking about a -10% damage of we use exsan with death mark, if i exsan first then apply death mark does it still drop my dps?

[sand elm]

u always exsang before deathmark

[terse orchid]

No that's what you're supposed to do

[midnight phoenix]

Ahh ok cool

[short ravine]

oh nice, il skip it for now then, where is that point well spent instead?

[sand elm]

cos exsang lowers the deathmark duration = lower damage

[midnight phoenix]

Yea so exsan deathmark is fine just not the other way around

[sand elm]

another point in improved poisons

[short ravine]

really? i thought zoldyck 3/3

[sand elm]

cant

[short ravine]

is that 2nd point in improved posions really that good

[sand elm]

not enough talents

[short ravine]

oh i see

right

ty

[craggy gust]

I managed to make a build that still gives me kingsbane and zoldyck but only 2 points.

[crimson venture]

Kingsbane still good???

[languid pier]

Idk how to play rogue anymore x)

[sand elm]

point for point theres not really a better option than that unfortunately

[storm onyx]

Yea, DM itself is a bleed; so Exsan makes it tick faster as well. thus dps time is lost

[craggy gust]

I traded out venom rush since dashing still gives energy regen

[sand elm]

i love venom rush but we dont take double shiv anymore

[craggy gust]

There isn't really a path to VR without taking double shiv

My new build still has everything I had before patch

Minus 3 points in zoldyck

[ember relic]

I miss the ambush process too

Procs

[royal lantern]

would you lose your 4set effect? if yes, no, dont craft it

if you dont lose 4set, yes, do it and grab a cowl

[slow marsh]

Anyone else think systemic failure should apply to fan of knives as well with the new pathing?

[sand elm]

i think we should just get IC baseline. playing dtb/ic in m+ this week actually feels like a complete spec to me now

or at least higher in the tree

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor the dtb exsang build is running elusiveness instead of cheat

just found out on rasz

[slim hamlet]

sin sims higher than sub

not by a lot tho

[tender kelp]

thx! but is it better than that embellish on weap + lariat overall?

when i prolly wont get that ring unless it drops from vault, playing only m+

[sand elm]

1 to 1, probably not, but ur taking flaring because of the ring so

[royal lantern]

||deez nuts|| also sims higher than sub

[tender kelp]

ye thats the thing, but with that small chance of rng spark after this week

im sure i wont get another in this season

with my luck

[sand elm]

whatve u spent the 5 we got so far on?

[tender kelp]

well ring, neck, dagger, boots

[slim hamlet]

[sand elm]

oof

[tender kelp]

ye im a spender

[cosmic aspen]

is it me or cheat death is bugged ? it didn't proc

[storm onyx]

Cowl simmed better than Weapn Embelisment on its own afaik. Plus better stats compared to set piece

[tender kelp]

[charred timber]

where can i find updated talent builds? :)

[tender kelp]

aight thank you

[sand elm]

#assassination-faq

[storm onyx]

If you are specifically playing M+ tho; I would keep the set headpiece

[tender kelp]

i got 4p with no head

shoulders, chest, legs and hands

so thats not an issue

[charred timber]

Single Shiv now?

[versed tusk]

sim is suggesting to sync exsang with deathmark now

is that intended?

not used to exsang ngl

or is it maybe cause of the sim timer being 5 mins?

[royal lantern]

yousync exsang with dm cus it has more value then exsang alone

you DONT sync them if it causes you to lose a cast over the fight

aka: depeens on fight lenght

[runic maple]

any1 know how to remove the healthbar below names? the new patch seems to enable them inside raids and I cant find the setting for it

[rapid forum]

dtb + no exsang, does our playstile change now with only 1 shiv charge?

[cursive smelt]

KINGBANE T_T

[midnight phoenix]

Stat wise what % should i roughly have between Crit mastery and haste? Im currently 34% crit 12% haste and 33% mastery

[storm onyx]

There is no such balance marked for Assa, you go by the sims

Its gear/trinket dependent

[midnight phoenix]

I see

[magic vine]

go into the options section, search for nameplates, turn off friendly nameplates

[hidden dirge]

do we just use shiv on cd now?

[timid dust]

anyone elese simming 3/3 Zoldyck higher than 2/3 Zoldyck + Exanguinate?

[slow marsh]

yes with 2p only

[vestal wren]

gz daps on raz mythic

saw it in server chat

[timid dust]

its simming 1.6k more with 4 pc

[brazen zodiac]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

@ebon notch grats my guy

[ebon notch]

thank u

[teal bloom]

just swapping exsang with 3rd zoldyck shouldn't be possible, not enough points to reach upper tiers

[spice spire]

Post sim if you can Legitimately curious here

[spice spire]

Whats wr?

[cursive smelt]

@timid dust it's impossible we need this point at the top to continue in the tree)

[ebon notch]

i check

[balmy condor]

Yeh there’s no way to get 3/3 zold with everything

[vivid sundial]

i cant find

which phial in the assa FAQ

is it tepid or the other weird one

?

with alternating effects and secondary stats

[timid dust]

i'm resmming i'll post once its done

[slow marsh]

pretty sure it drops exsang takes 2 shiv and 3/3 zold

if it's the same as me rn

[vivid sundial]

yo guys

some help

[slow marsh]

but i'm low gear and only 2p so interested to see on full 4/4 how that's possible

[vivid sundial]

which phial on assa

[teal bloom]

they are pretty much identical dps, tepid vers is cheaper and also offers some damage reduction so most use it

[balmy condor]

You cannot drop exsang to take a zold point, the gates simply do not allow it

[vivid sundial]

ty janisss

[brazen zodiac]

🛑

[slow marsh]

you take 2 shiv

[teal bloom]

but no shrouded in that

[slow marsh]

this is what's simming higher for me rn but i'm 383 ilvl

with only 2p

[frigid pilot]

@balmy condor any special macro for exsang /use 13 or

simple /cast exsang /use 13

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-rabbit-cute-gif-15676652

[slow marsh]

well just kidding it's with imp poison line isntead of bloody mess but yeah same diff

it's just weird gear is all nothing to read into for me. this other guy on the other hand idk

yeah he has the same talent setup as me

but better gear and 4p

seems like puzzle box diff maybe?

[timid dust]

Theres a new talent setup

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

He simmed a poison dtb

[timid dust]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Okay?

I’m very confused

[timid dust]

i didnt notice the new set up lol ignore me

[amber niche]

@gusty mirage do u want pi?

[gusty mirage]

no

[spice spire]

Disgusting

[thorn fjord]

He doesnt need the extra help

[edgy sierra]

The FAQ section on DTB vs KB where it recommends KB is outdated right? Currently we choose DTB basically all the time yeah?

[thorn fjord]

KB dead in the water

[heady merlin]

can you have the same embellishments on both daggers

[balmy condor]

Yap

[icy fjord]

i've found two sparks this morning

[balmy condor]

I mean you CAN, but that sounds really silly

[icy fjord]

probably should go and farm them before drop rates get nerfed? unless its intended

[onyx linden]

from where

cant get any

[heady merlin]

gotcha was just following the wowhead guide so rather ask then do it

[icy fjord]

one from primalist invasion rare and other from expedition bag

[onyx linden]

nice

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t recommend you embellish daggers though

[heady merlin]

oh my b read it wrong

[icy fjord]

1st one was 8:30am second was 11:00am PST

[quick harbor]

Quick one: We run AP +IC on Council?

[vestal wren]

ignorable 5% behind, who needs 5% dps when you can have kingsbane

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vapid stone]

whats the current council build?

[balmy condor]

Ap + ic

You can go on wowhead and import it

[vapid stone]

okay its updated nice

[sand elm]

with the exsang opener, are u guys using puzzle box at point 1 or 2 in the opener from faq?

[midnight phoenix]

Hey guys

[balmy condor]

Point 1, where it says “use channeled trinkets”

[midnight phoenix]

Real quick

Best build for council?

About to do it

[balmy condor]

No shot you just asked that 3 lines under someone asking about it

[thorn fjord]

Current situation... not awful https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cQAX8yjwXEdUQ1pDPD2kq3

[midnight phoenix]

Oh mb

[cursive smelt]

@balmy condor despite that the build changes the rota remains the same no? just skip (kingbane)

[gloomy knoll]

Is exsanguinate back yet

@balmy condor

[spice spire]

It’s been back

🤨

[gloomy knoll]

I just wanted to @ whispyr

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gloomy knoll]

Why you ruining it smh

I do this every patch lol

[spice spire]

Mf just woke up.
And it’s patch day

Trolling

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I woke up today, with not 40, not 50

But 125 pings

[gloomy knoll]

Lmaooo

Hope you and oxi and quake have a great day

[balmy condor]

And 125 of them were braindead and not reading the guide

[vestal granite]

where is the kingsbane exsang talent tree please? cant find it in the FaQ

[balmy condor]

It’s dead

[vestal granite]

and by that I mean it is not there

oh 😦

[balmy condor]

It’s not there because you don’t play kingsbane

[fading mason]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[west nymph]

How much haste should I aim for, I currently have 31% crit and 56% mastery and 4% haste

[spice spire]

You shouldn’t

[stiff vale]

the answer is always sim it, there's no definitive breakpoints

[spice spire]

You should just naturally upgrade and not worry about stats

[west nymph]

Will low haste make me energy starve ?

[balmy condor]

High haste will make you energy starve too

Welcome to Assassination

[limber heath]

why did the raid build change exactly? sorry if thats dumb im new

[west nymph]

haha 😄

[rapid gyro]

Hey guys! Just found this Discord. I am VERY new to Rogue and was wondering what spec is best/best to learn. Did some testing and Assassination definitely seems “easier” to start with, but is it okay in higher keys? Not raiding with the Rogue, but wondering if I should try Assassination or Outlaw.

[balmy condor]

Because the patch changed

[rapid gyro]

Thanks for having me, by the way!

[spice spire]

What is higher keys to you?

[balmy condor]

Assassination is by far the hardest in mythic+

[limber heath]

i mean didnt the patch mostly change aoe?

[spice spire]

If you want to push like 25s+, you can do it, but it takes some skill.

[sudden sigil]

the best ST build is that the one on the icyveins guide?

[spice spire]

But if you’re doing 20s, you’re fine!

[stiff vale]

luckily every spec is perfectly viable in keys. Outlaw is the easiest in m+ imo, but assa is cool....so

[balmy condor]

Or icyveins, or wowhead, or the faq, or the spreadsheet

[spice spire]

It’s easy to learn because it follows rules

[balmy condor]

They all use the same one

[spice spire]

And you very seldom deviate

[sudden sigil]

❤️

[rapid gyro]

I’m talking 15-20 (that’s high for me), haha. & I was playing Outlaw, but with the changes, and my “lower” skill level, Assassination seems easier?

[sudden sigil]

But is KB build dead?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber heath]

outlaw is more high apm, wwith assas you have to keep track of multiple things pick your poison

[spice spire]

Aoe it’s harder, but it has a better entry point personally @rapid gyro

[sudden sigil]

sad

[rapid gyro]

Very very basic, but you spread Garrote, spread Rupture, hit the AoE poison and dump CP into Envenom, right? Then go ham with Fan?

[balmy condor]

You should spread gar from stealth, spread rupture for energy, then maintain crimson tempest

[vital vale]

Anything on the new shiv talent being useful for aoe?

[stiff vale]

I'd say just check the FAQ if you want a brief overview. It explains it very concisely

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest is your main finisher in aoe

[spice spire]

It useful for probably council

[balmy condor]

Pins

[slim hamlet]

So I am guessing we dont click CT on ST when we have PB right?

[vital vale]

Roger

[spice spire]

Number five is the best part of the pin

[balmy condor]

You do

[slim hamlet]

Sadge

[balmy condor]

[vital vale]

reading is hard

[limber heath]

keep envenom buff up spam CT?

[spice spire]

It was aimed specifically at me

[balmy condor]

Depends on how many targets

[slim hamlet]

Is there a specific amount of targets where we spam CT over Envenom with PB

[balmy condor]

Like 6

[woeful wigeon]

omg i got banned for my name that i have been using on my rogue for 3 exp long like wtf peeps are so brainless and pervert minded got 3week of ban its rediculus my name is toxicum ( latin for poisen /poisened ) vergif in dutch peeps read toxic cum like grrr

[slim hamlet]

damn

a lot higher than I did

Nice

[vital vale]

i just do a garrote on three or four targets and spam knives and envenom for PB procs

[balmy condor]

You kinda start spamming it on 4

But it’s not a full spam

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I just did on 4 before

[balmy condor]

You basically start clipped pandemic on 3, and then clip it harder and harder until 6

[frigid pilot]

hmm

[slim hamlet]

no idea what clip means

[balmy condor]

Hm?

[teal bloom]

Not having blindside feels weird

[slim hamlet]

early click before pandemic?

[frigid pilot]

upgrade this or wait for crit mast belt to be flexible for sub m+/aoe fights

[rapid gyro]

What is PB?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[vital vale]

poison bomb

[rapid gyro]

Ohhh!

[vital vale]

aoe proc from envenom

[balmy condor]

How bad do you need an update

[slim hamlet]

I have a rule where I dont upgrade anything not 405

[frigid pilot]

we reclearing tonight but i can wait

[midnight phoenix]

Controlled trinket still bis?

[balmy condor]

So then wait

[frigid pilot]

just haste is so much like

[balmy condor]

Never was

[frigid pilot]

better for st

[gusty mirage]

unlikely but I appreciate you

[midnight phoenix]

Wow head says it was

[frigid pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nAHc5eRFTPiBrxoon6C27i my sim lookin sexy af rn

catalyzed my 415 chest

need to get that dumbass court ring to drop

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[frigid pilot]

0 whetstone, 0 malandrus ring

:/

[midnight phoenix]

Controlled is there but scroll down its a

[limber lion]

Ooh guild killed Raszageth while I was playing a concert

Beasts

[thorn fjord]

Its not fair... i want the eggnog ring 😦

[frigid pilot]

got hc version on my dh this week

[gusty mirage]

they may have captured hall of fame, but you captured the hearts of the audience

[teal bloom]

How does the single target of dtb/ic build compare to the old mythic+ dtb build?

[balmy condor]

You don’t press kingsbane

[stiff vale]

I gotta say I definitely wasn't feeling the new talent changes for m+, but it's def not as bad I thought it'd be platstyle-wise. I do really miss having blindside/execute for m+ though, left side tree was was peak. I really feel it in a dungeon like CoS. I like the idea behind the changes but the execution is off imo. How's everyone else feeling after playing it a bit?

[daring needle]

So how much am I gimping myself playing Assassination in M+ instead of other specs?

[balmy condor]

Oh

Old dtb

It’s identical to old dtb

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord it happened yesterday

[frigid pilot]

how high r the keys

[gusty mirage]

👀

[thorn fjord]

huuuuuuge! Gratz dude

[gusty mirage]

we dropped a ring

and I got it

[frigid pilot]

just play sub for keys, still uses daggers

[thorn fjord]

421 tier pants and the ring!

[daring needle]

It's an alt I hope to go up to 18s at least.

[limber lion]

About to capture carpal tunnel syndrome as well, playing my instrument hurts a shit ton and I've tried everything idk what is happening

I guess I need to go to the gym

I'm fucked

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

What do you play? Cant really tell from pic

[frigid pilot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/10k0rkw/carpal_tunnel_from_playing_outlaw_rogue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 is this u but outlaw

[brazen zodiac]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[daring needle]

My suggestion is to overhaul your keybinds to be more comfortable. I don't experience any strain or fatigue outlawing for extended periods of time.

[stiff vale]

I wouldn't say you're gimping yourself, ~20+ is where assa can really shine though imo. You won't see as much benefit around that level on tyrannical weeks, but on those weeks you'll at least do work on bosses

not to say it's bad below that. All rogue specs are great in m+

[daring needle]

I know some people have used the same keybinds they always have for decades so it's hard to change it up, but I think it's especially helpful to reimagine your layout as you start running into health issues.

[red tinsel]

For tyrannical, would it be best to just go on a single target build?

I don't feel Assa is too bad on M+, it's not as good as sub or Outlaw but feels superior to many other classes

And yeah, fortified is always great as you actually get time for all your dots to work

[sand elm]

do we hold puzzle box and exsang for the 3rd deathmark or just use them on cd?

[stiff vale]

I always go the m+ build. The agi buff from ruptures and IC adds a lot to your dmg over the course of a dungeon. I guess you could maybe drop it in CoS? Never tried that myself though, I'd hate losing shrouded suffocation

[craggy gust]

So we going dtb or king for raid?

[red tinsel]

Dtb

King is dead it seems

[craggy gust]

😦

[stiff vale]

anyone else correct me if I'm wrong but I think it just comes down to fight length. If you can get that 3rd deathmark in it's worth holding probably, otherwise just send it. I believe there's some info on this in the FAQ channel.

[frigid pilot]

#showtooltip exsanguinate
/cast exsanguinate
/use Algeth'ar Puzzle Box

thank me later

[stiff vale]

I really hope blizz revisits assa tree in the next patch though. KB with execute/blindside was peak to me. DTB is nice for raid, but I loved having KB for m+, really helped when you'd have a priority target that needed to go down and helped smooth out your overall dmg in dungeons.

[frigid pilot]

blindside is still used

lets not get giga egoes about having 5 diff buttons for no reason

dtb is still fun

[stiff vale]

I use it in raid, sure. I just don't really see how you'd fit that for m+ right now

[vestal granite]

but there are so many reasons to have 5 diff buttons though

[stiff vale]

I mean, if blizz does what needs to be done (replace exang with anything else) I'd consider that less of an issue

[vestal granite]

guys can someone explain to me why garrote works with 3cp and no CD even without Subterfuge? Nothing in the tooltips giving me an answer.

[craggy gust]

Exsang does kinda trap us on the talent tree

[dark bridge]

improved garrote talent

[spice spire]

Shrouded?

[craggy gust]

It's your talent in your soec tree

[red tinsel]

It's kinda sad we finally get KB back but no viable build for it. On one side I love DTB as a capstone and really makes Assassination feels like a poison master now that every spec can use poisons.

On the other hand, kingsbane is such an iconic ability it feels bad for it to be left aside. Maybe one day we'll be able to have both

[spice spire]

Is it that iconic?

[frigid pilot]

kek

[vestal granite]

Huh, the german tooltip is different and does not reflect the no cooldown

[spice spire]

For someone that didn’t play legion?

[frigid pilot]

cloak of shadows is iconic

[vestal granite]

small indie company sadge

[dark bridge]

kingsbane is fun but it really makes me feel the button bloat when i need to use it with IC

[gusty mirage]

blizzard and tooltips, the never ending cycle

[spice spire]

I’m trying a legitimate point, I could be put on my ass for this one

[gusty mirage]

they fix it in english

but leave it on everything else

[red tinsel]

I mean, it's a "super poison" and it's name comes from the Llane assassination, so it's iconic regarding to the Lore and Garona

[spice spire]

That’s what I’m saying “get bent me”

That’s a fair point

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire

[royal lantern]

the weapon was litearlly made up for legion wdym

[gusty mirage]

more like MAKEITGOAWAY

GOT EM

[spice spire]

I never understood the weird obsession

But that’s neat

[gusty mirage]

kingsbane was cool

gave us damage every minute

like actual damage

[royal lantern]

it was burst dmg that fits assa

[red tinsel]

the weapon was Garona's daggers she used to kill King Llane, that's the reason for the name

[royal lantern]

cus its still a dot, and plays into dots

[royal lantern]

it was litearlly not a lore thing pre legion mate

like bruh

[spice spire]

I like my assassin damage to be flat as the earth tyvm

[dark bridge]

i like kingsbane more than exsang

[gusty mirage]

well I got some good news for you @spice spire

[royal lantern]

thats not a high bar lol

[gusty mirage]

I like AP more than exsang

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

and that talent fucking sucks

[royal lantern]

i like outlaw more than exsang

sorry i said it

[oak sky]

I think kb adds a nice missing piece to break up our rotation every minute

[gusty mirage]

ye

[dark bridge]

they could probably replace exsang with kb if they nerfed the crap out of it

[gusty mirage]

it wasn't like omg damn this is insane

but it did add more to the rotation

[royal lantern]

by pressing it and then do nothing different?

[spice spire]

So does Exsang every 3 minutes

[gusty mirage]

vs just spam envenom in between dots perpetually

forever

[brazen zodiac]

👍

[oak sky]

Pressing it is the thing thats different

[spice spire]

Pick a lane

[red tinsel]

Garona and Llane are older than Legion, that's literally from Warcraft 1

[terse orchid]

I dislike both tbh

[oak sky]

Also holding shivs

[royal lantern]

allright, i stop

yes

[gusty mirage]

imma go get more water

what's next on the rage agenda

[royal lantern]

they totally talked 10000x about her daggers back then and some legendary poison(they didnt)

[gusty mirage]

should we revisit snd? @royal lantern

[royal lantern]

not like i played wc1 multiple times 🙂

[dark bridge]

bring back old poison bomb

[spice spire]

Outlaw

[daring needle]

Yes, but Kingsbane was never a thing until Legion.

[terse orchid]

AP being shit

[royal lantern]

yes pls

[stiff vale]

I was doing a CoS last night and it really made me miss having kingsbane for the big trash minibosses before second boss D:

[royal lantern]

start by removing

🙂

[oak sky]

Theyre in slowmode rn

[spice spire]

Just like us on god

(Slow globals)

[red tinsel]

The ability yeah, it's not

[royal lantern]

the slowmode is for like 8hours at this point lol

[daring needle]

Neither was it mentioned in lore before Legion.

[royal lantern]

^

[vestal granite]

Okay, fake news. German tooltip for 'Improved Garrote' is actually correct. I was just looking at the wrong Garrote Talent >___<

[royal lantern]

it was litearlly that garona killed him cus of mc

there was never talk about some legendary daggers and poison

just the she killed him

[vestal granite]

you know the other one with the same icon

[royal lantern]

they made the dagger part up for legion

[stiff vale]

who cares bruh ability cool

[sinful rune]

talent build for exsang/dtb single target is the same but just an extra zoldycks?

[vestal granite]

oh no, the writers writing lore? how dare they

[sinful rune]

or has stuff moved elsewheree

feel like im having a mind blank

[stiff vale]

check FAQ

[red tinsel]

Yeah I get what you mean, before Legion Llane was just killed by Garona without a poison and the poison lore was created during Legion.

But so was much of the Lore, it's like saying Khadgar is not iconic because Legion made him younger while he was a super old wizard in lore before

[craggy gust]

I gotta train my fingers to learn the dtb rotation before raid tonight 😱

[limber lion]

FUCK

My soda EXPLODED on my desk

[steel ridge]

uff

[limber lion]

rip keyboard, rip mouse, rip screeen, rip pants, rip shirt

[steel ridge]

was that a SODA BOMB?

[stiff vale]

essentially the same but less buttons 😅

[sinful rune]

just says updated builds and can't see the old ones

[craggy gust]

Soda bomb proc at the wrong time

[sand elm]

is it ok to reapply exsang affected dots or should they be left to run out first? (first time using exsang)

[spice spire]

Let them run out first

[red tinsel]

Leave it run out or you miss out on doubled dots

[sand elm]

ok cool. so during the opener we reapply them after they expire but before deathmark runs out

[gusty mirage]

okay I'm back

[red tinsel]

That'd probably be the best of both worlds, keep KB and replace Exsang.

[gusty mirage]

what are we mad at now

[spice spire]

You

[gusty mirage]

I can make that happen

[red tinsel]

Damn Oxi, what a guy.

[gusty mirage]

remember when assassination was 98k? and we got nerfed?

like

4 times?

enjoy

[red tinsel]

I heard Oxi uses Exsang after Deathmark

[steel ridge]

😄

[dark bridge]

remember when they nerfed RC

[steel ridge]

have you seen arms warrior sims... holy moly

[spice spire]

You won’t get me that easy buddy

[zinc frost]

Not a rogue spec so no issues here

[stiff vale]

my guild's arms warr was poppin the fuck off last night

[hidden dirge]

what poisons do we use with dtb?

[spice spire]

I already endured the IP clap spam nonsense last night

[gusty mirage]

how about now:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sXivSjyN1YYee5chC29MJV

[red tinsel]

All of them

[gusty mirage]

415 weapon btw

[spice spire]

Beat you to it papi

[stiff vale]

deadly and amp

[hidden dirge]

instant or deadly?

deadly

[gusty mirage]

never instant

ever

[red tinsel]

I mean we never used instant, or wound on pve

[balmy condor]

If only there was an faq section about this

[gusty mirage]

hi im new here, when do I use puzzle box

[limber lion]

I got 4 tokens from my weekly vault

thoughts?

[red tinsel]

Precisely 14:36 everyday

[gusty mirage]

enjoy your primal chaos?

[red tinsel]

Got to log in remotely at work to use it

[dark bridge]

after exsang, which you press after deathmark 🙂

[balmy condor]

Maplestory time

[limber lion]

I thought I did one m+

but I haven't done a single one in 3 weeks now

oops

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Ceveneer?

BROTHERS IN MONKE?

[limber heath]

i think wowhead rotation guide is not up to date

[limber lion]

I'm an osrs monkey now

[hidden dirge]

i read the part, that instant has no bonus effect, but maybe you could add to never take it - like wound poison

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[slender spade]

Are we going assa now instead of outlaw?

[oak sky]

:socute:

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

🍄

Ceveneer

you get a MONKEY

[balmy condor]

I try to educate, but yeah, maybe people can’t form a coherent thought on their own and just need the answer to everything spelled out in bold letters

[balmy condor]

Because…..

[echo heath]

Ooh i got this one

Because its months old and multiple adjustments and iterations have happened with the spec

What do i win?

[balmy condor]

Nothing because that doesn’t actually tell me what’s wrong with it

[echo heath]

Damnit

[limber heath]

ic + dragon is not there

[balmy condor]

Aha

See now that I can work with

Idk why it isn’t there though I pushed it out

Will need to check why it didn’t go through

[limber heath]

i tried to do it with the rotation below where you choose talents

but its wrong i think

so wanted to let you know

[echo heath]

Well i guess im just gonna have to put every single point on the left side of the spec tree

[dark bridge]

does anyone actually think that Unbreakable stride > Deadened nerves?

or am i a dummy

[balmy condor]

Yeh I’m looking at it right now, it’s still using the old kb+ic and solo dtb

Kinda weird

[balmy condor]

Most people, yeah

[dark bridge]

is there any dungeon/ boss where it helps a lot?

i dont remember any slows

[balmy condor]

Not really

Just a nice bonus

[jolly holly]

avault last boss i suppose?

[dark bridge]

3% dmg reduction sounds better imo

[pallid mesa]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

its physical dmg

most group dmg is not physical

[dark bridge]

ik, but i feel there is even less slows in any content

[slow marsh]

the times where 30% slow kills you is a lot higher than when a 3% phys dr would save you

[royal lantern]

not really

[dark bridge]

i dont think any trash ever has slows. And the only bosses that come to mind are from COS and vault

and at least nokhud trash and bosses will randomly shoot you sometimes

[slow marsh]

so just take the 3% phys dr then idk what your point is

[red tinsel]

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand.

Most trash can be slowed, at least regarding move speed, do you mean that their attack speed doesn't get slowed?

[dark bridge]

i mean you dont get slowed

[red tinsel]

As for bosses, yeah I think they DONT get slowed yeah

[dark bridge]

so the talent doesnt do anything

[red tinsel]

Oh yeah, true. I thought you were talking about Numbing vs Atrophic for M+, my b

[dark bridge]

i do, i was just wondering if it was secretly useful for something

[slow marsh]

it is

but its not a secret

[dark bridge]

yea, its useful in the imaginary scenario where you get slowed

[slow marsh]

just like the imaginary scenario where 3% phys dr saves you

[dark bridge]

it doesnt have to save you to be useful tho

[craggy gust]

We done bickering? I need to know if we use exsang before puzzlebox 😉

[gusty mirage]

doesn't matter

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

ideally you cast it during exsang's GCD

[craggy gust]

I'm oking lol

joking

[spice spire]

I know

[gusty mirage]

but no we're never done bickering

someone will come in and complain about something new

[spice spire]

He’s right, and fuck you for being right, oxi

[gusty mirage]

or ask a question that's been answered 50 times

[royal lantern]

what poisons do we use

[paper pawn]

arterial on council, right?

[royal lantern]

when we skill amp poison

[craggy gust]

Where do I find Vendetta in my spell book

[gusty mirage]

whatever you have under your sink that has this label

[limpid ermine]

are we nerfed in 10.0.5?????

[craggy gust]

We are always nerfed, until we are buffed

[limpid ermine]

valid 🤝

[gusty mirage]

yeah the rogue class as a whole took about a 45% nerf to brain cells

[thorn fjord]

This channel is actually hella tame compared to OL right now lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah

I'm trying to help guy out over there

and it's a lot

I don't even care to moderate this shithole

let alone that one

[thorn fjord]

Yeah they’re in shambles currently over literal spilled milk

[slim hamlet]

so do we take amp or instant poison in new dtb m+ build?

[limpid ermine]

45% nerf to zero... is still zero right? so we good?

[thorn fjord]

Bruh

[runic hinge]

Wound for sanguine

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/david-amber-sportsnet-hockey-night-in-canada-hnic-chirp-gif-18454898

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

[earnest remnant]

they are actually malding like crazy

[static glacier]

man its sadge that we dont get double shiv anymore

[slim hamlet]

why

u get a whole 1 extra shiv throughout a fight

[royal lantern]

going from 410 to 412 cus of 1 catalyst item

🙂

[slim hamlet]

with it

[royal lantern]

🙂

[polar matrix]

anyone know how to do a BiS gear profile on raidbots for patchwerk? (i know one exists in the spreadsheet)

[static glacier]

it's a feel angle, not a matter of perf. having the choice to cover each dm with 1.5-2 shivs felt good

[gusty mirage]

click the triple dots, the right most button will let you copy the profile

[static glacier]

obviously it doesn't matter that much

and not having venom rush feels ass

[slim hamlet]

i guess yea

[sand elm]

rupture is usually like 2/3s from expiring as DM is about to run out. do we reapply before it does or still just let it finish

[slim hamlet]

I just like when number is higher

[slim hamlet]

this is true

[static glacier]

ofc, personally i might just look for the best simming build with double shiv

and v r

[slim hamlet]

but the worst thing is not having blindside in m+

[static glacier]

that's giga sadge ngl

[slow marsh]

dm doesn't snap shot anything why does it matter when you reapply rupture

[spice spire]

Let it finish

[sand elm]

and just reapply after it and dm run out?

[slim hamlet]

Blindside my favourite talent in the whole game

[spice spire]

Reapply after the bleeds run out for Exsang

Dm means nothing here

[sand elm]

ok gotcha

ty!

[plain basin]

So for two set does envenom empower rupture or just weapon poisons

[sand elm]

rupture is a bleed not a poison

[polar matrix]

was trying to get one for outlaw patchwerk

[plain basin]

Thought so just wanted to check ty ty

[runic hinge]

Agreed

[royal lantern]

heroic log stonks

[plush cedar]

!whysper

[slim hamlet]

almost

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[plush cedar]

ah forgot the i

ty

[glass junco]

do we sync 2nd exsang in a fight?

or send it on cd?

[slim hamlet]

sync

unless u waste cast

[thorn crater]

show character? 😛

[gusty mirage]

a fellow man of culture

[frigid pilot]

ye why ppl hide their name and shit

kinda sus

[gusty mirage]

farm heroic parses to make yourself feel like your class is still relevant

[royal lantern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/tryan#difficulty=4 just check my name in wowlogs man

[royal lantern]

let me have that man

[gusty mirage]

brother

I'm with you

[royal lantern]

atleast i have some good looking parses in the absolute worst case and the guild turns out to be nothing

[thorn crater]

that diurna ring

[royal lantern]

yeha, lets ignore all the normal tier pieces and the normal torch

🙂

[thorn crater]

nono

i mean

nice

im jealous

also normal torch better than never seen torch 🙂

[strange python]

Same

[limber lion]

gamer

[thorn crater]

pretty sure it doesnt actually exist

[strange python]

I've seen torch drop ONCE and only ONCE

[thorn crater]

and there is a conspiracy about it

[teal bloom]

I got torch from the weekly box that dropped heroic vault loot, I was like 4/8 normal back then

[strange python]

Wait. It actually never dropped, both people in my guild with it have gotten it from vault or the first weekly that have a heroic piece.

[zinc frost]

Yeah but it’s Tryan and is a pumper

[thorn crater]

my guild refuses to kill mythic bosses until we clear raz heroic

cause it will bring "better trials" in

[granite sable]

Is it normal to feel energy starved as heck on single target fights now?

[thorn crater]

meanwhile them clown fiesta boys cant outdps a sin rogue

on every boss other than raz progression

how the fuck do you end up below a tunnel vision sin on diurna

[brazen zodiac]

@royal lantern

[spice spire]

Council and eggnog are piñatas

[teal bloom]

You do sometimes have to wait for energy but I don't think it's very energy starved compared to like 9.0 patch

[thorn crater]

agreed but what about diurna

[brazen zodiac]

were u the gamer who told me to accept the life

[royal lantern]

idk?

[spice spire]

I mean they’re free mythic loot

[thorn crater]

++++

[spice spire]

It’s highly recommended to just spend an hour doing that

And then doing your weekly prog

[thorn crater]

tell me about it

[spice spire]

At a certain points it’s worth doing that for mythic vault over a heroic reclear

[thorn crater]

i KNOW

[spice spire]

Same time, better vault for the gamers

[teal bloom]

My AOTC guild doesn't have 20 active raiders to even try mythic 😄 7/8HC atm

[strange python]

Only broodkeeper drops good loot for me now 😦

[thorn crater]

brit things am i right

thinking beans and boiled potatoes are the best dinner ever like the germans are still dropping bombs on them

[spice spire]

We’re 7/8H, 2/8M so the source is, I made it the fuck up

[slow marsh]

shoot i need to do some heroic clears

[spice spire]

Brother Tuesday my guild does it on an off night

It’s goofy, but they clear to dathea weekly, and I think the only non open roll at this point is eggnog ring

[slow marsh]

well that would've been good to know like on a tuesday

😆

[spice spire]

Any askers?

[slow marsh]

yes plz i'm sorry dad

[teal bloom]

[spice spire]

But yeah, if you need a weekly one just ask me and I’ll get you in.

I also missed the last two because of Val

[strange python]

Can I have dibs on ring?

[slow marsh]

k i'll try to remember next week. i managed to do normal last night and got like 3 things so i'm chillin

[spice spire]

Nah like 600 people want it

And I scammed the mythic one that dropped

[craggy gust]

I only have the normal eggnog ring 😮

[gusty mirage]

do it on not tuesday

and I'll come

[spice spire]

It’s gotta be Tuesday

Or Monday but Monday stinky

[gusty mirage]

sorry I have to wipe on kurog again at least 8 times for people to figure their shit out on tuesdays

[thorn crater]

uhm

[gusty mirage]

next 2 days is dathea jail

[thorn crater]

wipe on kurog?

what?

[spice spire]

Friday-Sunday we try to avoid any and all shit because of a few parent guilds

[gusty mirage]

mythic kurog?

yeah

[thorn crater]

ahhhh

[spice spire]

Mythic kurog is a hard boss

[thorn crater]

he was talking hc

[gusty mirage]

it's not even hard

[thorn crater]

and i got confused

[gusty mirage]

he just does a fuck ton of damage

[strange onyx]

Dathea jail is the worst

[ebon notch]

yessir

we 2 shot rasz today and wiped 8 times on dathea

[strange onyx]

I just wanna shank, but I have to be out there and do shurikens and shit

[gusty mirage]

what a great boss

[thorn crater]

any maniacs like myself taking CT on raz for the adds?

[strange onyx]

10.1 can't come soon enough so I can go back to my Divine Steed

[thorn crater]

and dropping VV?

[strange python]

I...am not super sure where to send CDs on kurog tbh

[spice spire]

[strange onyx]

HC?

[thorn crater]

i mean ye

[spice spire]

On ct raz

[strange onyx]

Just zzz the add phase

[thorn crater]

its fiiiine who needs VV

[strange onyx]

then stomp everyone else in all the other phases

[velvet robin]

anyone enjoying council these days? 👀

[strange python]

Sythrial logged a desynced exsang DM kurog mythic last night. Which I would've assumed is not the play but idk

[thorn crater]

just go through FD free up a point and put it on CT

🙂

who said sin cant stat pad

[sand elm]

any1 else get to a point where ur just out of energy towards the end of fights and ur dps just plummets as a result

feels like im doing something wrong

[spice spire]

It could be de synced because he is unsure of what the timings are? Or he could need extra damage to some an add?

[vapid sierra]

w

**5. Help I can't read!
I know.

---

lmao

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Maybe. But it was a pretty big log.

The timings on that fight are super odd. You can't CD at 2 minutes because you're facing a phase swap at 2 mins

[spice spire]

Yeah I have been looking ahead (we’re at least a month out if we ever get there) and trying to map

And kurog seems like a tricky one

[dense herald]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vapid sierra]

is ic+kb no longer recommended for aoe?!?

[frigid pilot]

any1 got dks in their guild that die back to back on sennarth grip?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[brazen zodiac]

👎

[sonic fossil]

So how are the new talents? is assasination dead? still good? i really liked it for raid;-;

[spice spire]

👍

[strange python]

It's dead. Uninstall

[vapid sierra]

why exactly? is it due to cooldown sync and now that dtb/db share a node and they sim closer for aoe it isnt really worth breaking your head around?

[strange python]

Go dk

[brazen zodiac]

👍 👎

[balmy condor]

Pins

[sonic fossil]

ty

[balmy condor]

Moving kingsbane means it doesn’t automatically have good pathing anymore

So kingsbane is fucking awful

[strange python]

What if we moved DTB to where KB used to be

[vapid sierra]

ah, and last question, what do drip exsang for in aoe since you already take 2 improved poisons

[royal lantern]

is there a crafted cloak?

[strange python]

Yes

[balmy condor]

For dungeons you can take MA, but you always want iron wire

[strange python]

I'm up to 419 without a single piece of diurna loot 😦

[regal bough]

So ive got Heroic Grieftorch/whispering Incarnate Icon but I also have a 395 puzzle box i could upgrade a bit. Sims show it as a dps loss but it looks like its possible better than sims say it is based on how this discord talks about it. So should i pump that up or put it away?

[vapid sierra]

so just drop exsang for ma to keep iw

[strange python]

Considering half of her loot table is sin bis it's a big fucking L to keep getting staves

[balmy condor]

415 box beats most every trinket

[ebon notch]

whisp did you see my tag btw about elusiveness

ik its not a big deal but

just so you saw it

[balmy condor]

Yes

[regal bough]

I cant get it that high cause im a mediocre player lol

[ebon notch]

cool

[strange python]

My sim wants me to drop 415 box for 424 grief+421 cct

[balmy condor]

Does that make you happier

[strange python]

Do I seem like someone capable of happiness?

[thorn fjord]

Happiness is relative

[ebon notch]

can you link your sim?

[strange python]

I actually didn't mean to correct, wanted to gutcheck it wasn't a me thing

[subtle tundra]

I was happy tonight but I could've been happier

[strange python]

I'm not at computer atm

[thorn fjord]

Well that’s a start… how was your box

[sonic fossil]

I know the sim is like the final word for every build but i do appreciate some human opinion on builds, sometimes a trinket that feels good is better to use that the bis sim

[balmy condor]

Not how that works

You’re not going to lose 3000 dps cause you’re too shit to channel a trinket for 2 seconds

[vapid sierra]

what opener do i follow for dtb+ic? do i just follow dtb+kb and ignore exsang/kb?

[balmy condor]

Just gotta suck it up and use it

[thorn fjord]

Humans are obsolete

[balmy condor]

Ye

[thorn crater]

i mean cmon who doesnt love playing double on use trinkets that are both channeling while at the same time playing a 3min cd that shortens ur bleeds

[strange python]

I don't mind puzzle box tbh

[thorn crater]

to deal sub 90k dps

LUL

[strange python]

I hate grief

[spice spire]

Man’s opposite of everyone else

An enigma

[thorn crater]

i mean tbf

he is stating what he is in his name

[thorn fjord]

After 6 weeks box should not still be bothering people lol

[thorn crater]

u know what im missing for the full on wow experience

[thorn fjord]

It’s less than 2 seconds lol

[thorn crater]

infexious youtube videos

[spice spire]

It’s bothering me

Because I haven’t seen one drop for me

[strange python]

Puzzle box feels like it's a part of the CD ramp up rotation. You use it, mastery goes giga, then slam CDs. Grieftorch is just...press for damage. It's boring.

[pseudo hamlet]

424ilvl head from the vault

[thorn crater]

i upgraded my 398 to 415

[thorn fjord]

Are you using the Ty wa?

[thorn crater]

to get it dropped at 402 and 405

🙂

[strange python]

What?

[spice spire]

That’s death threat central

[strange python]

Oh the death whisper?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[strange python]

Nah

[thorn fjord]

You totally should

Increases the joy of using the trinket

[spice spire]

Had people complain to me about others using it

I called them ten ply

[thorn fjord]

I wouldn’t know though because I don’t have it

[strange python]

The people who die in my guild die a lot. it would be bullying.

[spice spire]

I laugh every time

[strange python]

And they're already fragile ego players

[thorn fjord]

Fuck that I’m using that regardless of what anyone says lol

[thorn crater]

wait

what are we talking about

grieftorch weakaura?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[thorn fjord]

And if they say something I’ll just reply git gud

[pseudo hamlet]

I guess it's worse than 418ilvl Flaring Cowl, eh?

[thorn crater]

how do i find it

on wago

[thorn fjord]

It sent a tell thanking the player for dying and refreshing your cd

[thorn crater]

what's the name

[spice spire]

I’ll hit someone with the occasional “blocked”

It’s been spread around so much I can’t tell you

[thorn fjord]

I’ll dm it to you lol

@thorn crater

[thorn crater]

cheers

not that i have grieftorch

[subtle tundra]

Lol who cares

[summer briar]

this drops after i get 418 bracers

[thorn fjord]

I live vicariously through those who get good boxes

[olive wagon]

so yeah doing raid now. and this patch seems a buff and not a nerf XD

[thorn fjord]

Placebo effect

[olive wagon]

probably im just better with this new rotation

[gusty mirage]

just take my wow account bro

have it

I don't want it no mo

[thorn fjord]

Having one less cd to worry about can do that

[thorn fjord]

Lies

[fading mason]

whitch of those trinkets would u where for mplus

[thorn fjord]

This man is stacked wtf lmao

[spice spire]

Boon + upgraded whetstone

If more st was needed you could cct or grief

[thorn fjord]

I’d still prob take icon over cct for st

But that’s if someone else in grp has one maybe

[undone whale]

Is KB still viable only with short kill times? In heroic for example.

[digital gyro]

Is 1 point in Vicious Venoms more burst (15 sec -+) oriented than 1 point in Elaborate Planning?

or 4% outvalues the 10%

[tardy spade]

So in 10.5 dps wise are we lower than before?

ST ofc

[storm onyx]

that 4% applies to everything you do

[digital gyro]

ye im aware but I was thinking of a short burst scenario with no cds

[royal lantern]

skynet aproves

[echo heath]

Got a heroic whispering incarnate icon this week

Pretty happy since loot council generally doesnt pass me loot

[manic quartz]

What do i do in this scenario, i have refreshed bleeds and vanish/deathmark comes off CD. but bleeds arent in pandemic yet, do it vanish for imp garrote and then deathmark or slam deathmark and vanish when garrote is in pandemic?

or wait untill garrote is in pandemic and then use the CD's ?

[balmy condor]

The first

[manic quartz]

mkay, so override the old garrote, ty

[brazen zodiac]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
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IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
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[willow saddle]

!logs

[nocturne haven]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[summer briar]

to all the tmog haters, now i removed the "outlaw" tmog

[fast fog]

👎

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[slim hamlet]

wtf is that

[royal lantern]

batman

but with tree bark instead of latex