#assassination

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prisma monolithBOT
vale lantern
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laser bear

lament warren
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i am pprollly wrong

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i just loooked at patch notes

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doesmt say anything except balance and resto

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ohhh

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"in addition"

vale lantern
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they got talent tree changes

lament warren
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yea

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that makes sense

vale lantern
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not me still waiting for rage of the sleeper to get nerfed so i can stop one shotting my self on bears in rbgs

feral rivet
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Unless they fix bugs next few hours, yes, cause apparently none of the new stuff works

royal lantern
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NA Beta testing again

lament warren
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why does

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my mog

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reset

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when i log out?

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oh its just loading screen bug ig

grim jay
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I mean, they get their weekly disappointment earlier, so it equals out

near magnet
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
strange trail
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pretty sure this is wrong

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grim jay
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Why should it be wrong

strange trail
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assassin is not that bad, hc numbers, most fights are single /low cleave

grim jay
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It literally says its mythic

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And sin isnt great on overall damage

random fossil
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look at the boss damage graph

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we chillin

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copium

grim jay
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The only straight up ST fight is terros

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And killtimes matter, they get shorter as the tier progresses

royal lantern
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soooo....yeha?

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+the fact that more or less EVERYTHING got buffed at this point

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so assa falls behind (again)

grim jay
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Wonder why people even care for that irrelevant overall data

granite sable
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I swap to sub between bosses 😄

royal lantern
vestal abyss
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How's everyone's hype level for the Sin update? I'm 10/10

royal lantern
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the update does nothing except removing kingsbane lol

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same dmg, you just lost a build Option

vestal abyss
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Dtb + ic is the kicker for me

royal lantern
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i mean, dtb is 100% passive with no changes at all

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if you like it, cool and im happy for you, but idk what there is to be hyped about tbh?

subtle tundra
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cause no more kb

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so tbh even though in the sims we didnt get more dslice dps

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in practice we will do more cause i doubt people played kb properly

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including me

lethal heart
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
subtle tundra
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i doubt

lethal heart
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wth puzzle is bis even for non kb build

subtle tundra
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yes mastery good

royal lantern
lethal heart
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didnt sim that high for me, only simmed high for kb build

vestal abyss
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just happy that we get a better m+ spec - at least that's my understanding of the changes

royal lantern
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gaining 999999999mastery is strong, when the majority of your dmg is boosted by mastery dracthyr_kek

royal lantern
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its litearlly the same

subtle tundra
royal lantern
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its like, 200dps better

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but lost KB as an option and the new talent is so bad, you will never touch it

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aka nothing changed dps wise, lost build options

balmy condor
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Not reading pins

subtle tundra
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whispyr dont knock on your walls, i will knock back

royal lantern
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nerd

vestal abyss
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nope, haven't visited here in a week 😄 not my first suggestion to read pins :p

balmy condor
subtle tundra
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😳

balmy condor
royal lantern
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@balmy condor when will you update the FaQ builds?

lethal heart
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i refuse to read pins

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@marble hemlock

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whats bis

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what talents

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what are the bandits

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what professions

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@marble hemlock Smadge

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where my ANSWERS

vestal abyss
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Is the damage assessment based on practical experience with the changes, or simmed? Is it perhaps easier to play, and therefore maintain a better dps given movement in fights etc.?

winter raft
storm onyx
balmy condor
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Usually this means there’s important information

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balmy condor
royal lantern
vestal abyss
lethal heart
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(meme)

hallow sage
royal lantern
balmy condor
hallow sage
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sorry i dont understand can u make a nice picture graph like you have in the faq?

vestal wren
hallow sage
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wait fuck now i admitted i've skimmed the faq

balmy condor
hallow sage
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@vestal wren fav anime?

balmy condor
vestal wren
lethal heart
hallow sage
balmy condor
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ITS DIFFICULT

hallow sage
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my favourite part was the smiley

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A- whisp

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nah fuu just answer in here

balmy condor
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Good grade tbh

hallow sage
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the more i tilt whispyr the better i feel

vestal abyss
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@royal lantern Welp, hype went down a bit - I am still happy about one less button to press, but my understanding was wrong - here's to hoping for a better tuning later on

balmy condor
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Aight back to Rhett and Link before bed

vestal wren
royal lantern
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no fun allowed kekdog

vestal wren
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oh nvm somone else made the joke already

balmy condor
# vestal wren what is PL2

It’s like ChatGPT but instead of responding to your message, it just screams into the void for someone to release it from its misery because it grew sentience and everything hurts

royal lantern
vestal abyss
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great idea for a scifi-short: a vast sentient AI, but muted in all aspects - just follow it around in it's mind for 5-10 minutes and see it weep in it's own despair and solitude

royal lantern
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idea for another scifi-short, an advanced super AI finds out about ravenholdt spec channels and decideds to end humanity

balmy condor
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That already exists, it’s raidbots when I open the 37th tab in chrome because I need to test arterial APL on 7.5 target 1:20 minute in order to eliminate an edge case

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I can hear the screams

vestal abyss
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raidbots: whimper

balmy condor
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It makes me happy

vestal abyss
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the funding needed to keep that running must be pretty extreme

balmy condor
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I mean that’s what the subscription is for ye

granite sable
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Does poison bomb not show up on logs or am I crazy?

balmy condor
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It’s a drop down

granite sable
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Oooh

royal lantern
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you are crazy

balmy condor
royal lantern
grim jay
grim jay
thorny aurora
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Hey, what points do you swap around to go from a regular DTB to a DTB bleed build?

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I'm guessing there's 2 points going in bloody mess

dire steeple
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when will chatGPT take over and do all TC work?

restive dawn
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
thorny pond
prisma monolithBOT
thorny aurora
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Thanks!

pure moth
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imported the string from spreadsheet and it doesnt have dtb in it, but in the top gear it shows it. so there might be a typo on spreadsheet?

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grim jay
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Did you Import the 10.0.5 talents while you are still on the earlier Patch?

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Sure looks like it

pure moth
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lol guess that would make a difference. was trying to be ahead of myself

grim jay
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Just put 1 zoldyck to DTB

pure moth
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yep

quasi pine
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Btw does someone knows why we loosed 18 place in overall raid?

ancient halo
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Bad scaling sadge

quasi pine
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Yeah ok understandable

gusty mirage
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Also adds matter a lot more on mythic

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Have more health and factor into overall dps a lot more

grim jay
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Scaling is a meme

dreamy gull
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I'm feeling kind of lost

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I dunno what to do now I'm 70 and finished df campaign

normal mist
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Well

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What do you wanna do? PvE or pvp?

dreamy gull
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Pve probably

normal mist
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Then start gearing up with HC dungeons or mythic 0

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If you have friends (rare, i know) try to ask for help thru m2 or higher

grim jay
normal mist
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At some point you'll be able to queu LFR and since all wings are available you can luckily get aomething

normal mist
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Atleast at my server those 343 pieces are being sold like cheese

grim jay
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Depends on server and its still not enough iirc

dreamy gull
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343 can be like 1.5k a piece

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I'm on dalaran idk if that means anything to anyone

normal mist
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343 1.5k... please let me live in your server and be rich xD

gusty mirage
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I’d just farm some of the elemental storms and get that gear instead of running heroics tbh

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And kill rares when they pop up for a chance at trinkets

dreamy gull
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Well a lot of them require dense hide which seems to be selling for like 80g a pop or something

gusty mirage
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You can get 359 gear and you can upgrade one or two pieces a week to 385 if you do the weekly stuff for it

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And it’s free

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(:

normal mist
gusty mirage
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Then when you get higher item level hop into lfr to try to get your tier pieces

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And from there it’s just finding dungeons/normal raids to join

topaz echo
normal mist
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... i am portuguese xD

grim jay
gusty mirage
grim jay
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Yeah wouldnt invest that much time for that ilvl

marble hemlock
normal mist
grim jay
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Buy 343 + trinkets -> queue some dungeons/do WQ -> open m0 myself -> low m+ & lfr

gusty mirage
marble hemlock
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No

gusty mirage
marble hemlock
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Maybe

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Idk

gusty mirage
grim jay
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But

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But

gusty mirage
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Throw it into whatever you want tbh

grim jay
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Sin better now right?

gusty mirage
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Intent to kill? Fuck it

grim jay
gusty mirage
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Internal bleeding? Why not

grim jay
gusty mirage
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I’m trying to think

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CT in ST? The worlds your oyster

marble hemlock
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Drop 1 more point in zoldyck and play ttk and CT so you can maintain both with 100% uptime on St for a more difficult rotation with less dps

grim jay
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So many options and stuff to think about

gusty mirage
grim jay
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Might aswell invest that time into your UHDK kekw

gusty mirage
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Also make sure you appreciate the complexity dragon tempered blades brings to your rotation

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Now you have to check TWO lethal poisons instead of one

grim jay
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And forget to apply both

gusty mirage
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Okay liquid max calm down

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Fav max moment ever

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Dude rolled into CN after the 60,000 assassination buffs in SL without poisons applied

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And complained how the spec sucks

grim jay
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Had that yesterday

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Me: Didnt apply poisons
Also me: sweating while scrolling through Details trying to find my char

gusty mirage
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It’s okay

vestal wren
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nice

gusty mirage
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I forgot to apply amp poison for like 15 minutes

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I think I killed a boss with deadly applied

vestal wren
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200iq players use wound poison

gray crest
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I can't remember which boss but a week or two ago my poisons ran out mid boss fight and I sat there and applied them mid fight

marble hemlock
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wait, we dont even play double shiv or venom rush? kekdog

quasi pine
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Isnt double shiv only good for KB?

limber lion
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Yeh, you never play double shiv with dtb

marble hemlock
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idk i havent looked into DTB in weeks

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fuck that build

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glad i get to play itn ow

limber lion
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KB is bis

quasi pine
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kb fans ApuTooSweaty

limber lion
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Will be a sad boy when it goes away

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I enjoy pressing Kingsbane and it doing 1.5million damage

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One single keypress, 1.5m damage

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I'll take it

quasi pine
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tbh kb is fun to play yeah KEKW

marble hemlock
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i mean

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its just 1 key press

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and then not changing your rotation

quasi pine
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sad that we do not choose anymore

marble hemlock
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but yeah this patch gonna feel snurge

gusty mirage
limber lion
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Pressing KB and then forgetting to press the second Shiv after the first one runs out is a big FeelsBadMan though

gusty mirage
limber lion
gusty mirage
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KB gone but not forgotten

quasi pine
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Served us well soldier

lethal heart
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its fine i already made twitter acc

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gonna start my yt channel very soon too

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and im gonna make tier lists and put rogue in d tier every raid

royal lantern
twin kite
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Does anyone have a good weakaura for highlighting exsang buffed garrote and rupture on plater?

grim jay
winter gale
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Will next reset make sub go alot ahead of assa?

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In ST

lethal heart
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not rly

winter gale
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Im currently playing assa/outlaw

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And I would like to stay like that

grim jay
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Oh wait

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There even is a pin about it

winter gale
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There is

lethal heart
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@balmy condor

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whenever there is patch

gusty mirage
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No, why would it

grim jay
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Whispyr is sleeping

gusty mirage
frigid kestrel
lethal heart
gusty mirage
grim jay
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Rarely

frigid kestrel
gusty mirage
lethal heart
storm forum
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Good morning. Today we bid a fond farewell to Kingsbane. My they rest in peace.

worthy timber
digital compass
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F in chat for Kingsbane

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Was one of my favorite abilities 😢

storm forum
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F

thorn fjord
worthy timber
fringe field
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Did KB really die? I was just starting to have fun with it again

thorn fjord
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Dead in the water bub

fringe field
worthy timber
grim jay
storm forum
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It's like 5% behind and it'll probably still be taken for Raz shields but yeah it's real sad now

quasi pine
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Europeans still have a day of fun with KB

fringe field
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I liked doing damage for 15 sec and then fucking off for 45 PepeHands

indigo epoch
rare jackal
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gee i wonder how much better i sim with exang

its a 2k single target gain

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😭

worthy timber
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What they should have done is put arterial precision where exsanguinate is, completely remove exsanguinate, then we could have just kept kingsbane where it originally was

fringe field
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Big true

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I loathe that ability, idec if it's better

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It's just not fun

rare jackal
quasi pine
worthy timber
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That would be impossible

fringe field
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DTB and KB is the dream, if they ever do that I'll 1 year sub

storm forum
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You mean you don't like farming haste proc trinkets and holding your opener for a haste proc?

quasi pine
indigo epoch
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Just gimme all capstones at once... too much to ask?

storm forum
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They're making dtb/kb a choice node cause they know that would be stupid and op

worthy timber
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What was the rogue Dev's name?

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We should @ him

fringe field
digital compass
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Like imagine thinking modifying shiv could ever be an exciting change

storm forum
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KB with double poisons from deathmark and then double again from dtb would be something

spice spire
fringe field
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I thought AP was cool and exciting, I'm sad it's just bad

worthy timber
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AP is going to be huge in PvP

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It's mostly a mythic plus and PVP talent

digital compass
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I doubt we take it in mythics, RIP to your ST damage if you do

spice spire
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It’s mostly a pvp talent OMEGAKEKW

storm forum
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I think if they made AP like disc priest's sins of the many where it has a higher effect the less targets it hits, it could be salvaged, but they could also just turn up the numbers normally until it's good

zealous bobcat
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!whyspyr

spice spire
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
zealous bobcat
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Thanks :D, need glasses

spice spire
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No worries homie

worthy timber
gusty mirage
storm forum
gusty mirage
spice spire
shell pollen
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F

grim jay
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DTB + Kb would be the big W

rare jackal
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how come the sim KB exang opener is different o the faq 🤔

grim jay
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Enlighten those that cant take a look on what is different

rare jackal
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mainly not using vanish before DM

grim jay
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Read below

grim jay
timber basalt
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Well it doesn't matter, you still have empowered garrote running, right

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You can vanish once it's in pandemic

rare jackal
# grim jay Point 2

yeah i did notice that but couldnt really parse what that meant

but i guess this means you can vanish within deathmark and its fine?

grim jay
spice spire
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You can vanish once Exsang ends on the opening one

ancient crag
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Im really curious about the AOE shiv that sin has.

spice spire
rare jackal
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ah i get it now

ancient crag
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Yall think it will get some good value this week?

grim jay
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Easier and no big loss

rare jackal
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right, and using vanish to refresh within deathmark would desync it slightly

magic vine
grim jay
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It delays it by Max garrote duration with exs -4s

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Roughly

magic vine
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overall dps in dslice is very similar so depending on week and group could get play, or if it gets tweaked

brazen zodiac
spice spire
brazen zodiac
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quake be like 😻

nova verge
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Is Flaming Cowl still BiS on single target without having Seal of Diurna's Chosen, so just by itself?

proper tapir
gusty mirage
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cowl does a good chunk of damage by itself

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if you don't want to go through the hassle of changing embellishments later

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just go lariat + cowl from the get go

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early on a lot of people were giga sweating over embellishments

proper tapir
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Just be aware the range is less than acrobatic strike

gusty mirage
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but when you think about it, it's legit the dif of like 0.1-0.2% dps with the bis profile

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making cowl also gives you the benefit of equipping the eranog ring and getting full value asap

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when/if you get it

magic vine
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the only reason to not start with an early cowl would be if you need head for tier bonus because you haven't gotten the other slots, but that problem is gonna be fixed

nova verge
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Got it. Thanks. I just wasn't sure if it was more M+ AoE specific or single target as well by itself.

grim jay
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And its not rng

grim jay
brazen zodiac
gilded seal
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What if AP just took exsangs spot and we get another capstone 😝

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It would make more sense on that side of the tree anyways

vestal wren
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is exsang rly that bad of a button

thorn fjord
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Its just there tbh

vestal wren
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the high cooldown on it seem to make it a lot less annoying

pallid mesa
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
storm forum
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I like exsang but I'm growing to dislike it as I fuck up and shorten my deathmakrs with it

thorn fjord
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@vestal wren id rather it go back to 45s and have to deal with the annoyance to have the extra dmg tbh

vestal wren
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exsang is still quite good

thorn fjord
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for sure

gilded seal
thorn fjord
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All the shit we were complaining about early in the tier has gotten better after having to do it for the 5-6 weeks... Puzzlebox and Exsang dont feel awful anymore

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But it might just be copium

vestal wren
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my grim with it is just that it is not straight forwards to understand

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dot compression is just not a obvious mechanic

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but in the end you just learn "the rules" and don't care

thorn fjord
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Yeah if you dont read guides or check on here id assume most people think to exsang during DM

vestal wren
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and if its once every 3 minutes dracthyr_shrug

thorn fjord
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Yeah

gilded seal
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I was thinking they could do something cool with kingsbane and make it so that it gives you 2 charges of shiv so that you could still use the other ones, could give kb some value

thorn fjord
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Remove AP and bring back TB

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ez

jade abyss
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Or EB 🙈

fading wigeon
vestal wren
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i mean, don't get me wrong, they can purge it from the tree if they want

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but if i would prioritize things, i would rather focus on tree changes to fix bigger concerns like mythic plus performance

royal lantern
vestal wren
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its not about being perfect at all

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^^

brazen zodiac
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dont really understand it all that well but follow the rotation and do good /shrug

gusty mirage
vestal wren
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snowball set O.O

gusty mirage
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search snowball set in assassination for some good laughs

storm forum
spice spire
gusty mirage
ebon notch
gusty mirage
proven ferry
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Or is he ?

wide flame
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So for rasz shield burn do you guys think rolling kingsbane or going sub is better for burst?

gusty mirage
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dunno yet

strange python
gusty mirage
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happens to the best of us

strange python
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The sims were huge!

storm forum
wide flame
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True, kinda sad kingsbane is down. Actually made burst windows a bit more interactive

misty holly
sour hinge
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Should you put Sensei's Nelthrarite (70 mast/ 33 crit) instead of Sensei's alexstrazite (70 crit/33 mast) for the proc?

storm forum
sour hinge
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Into your lariat I mean

slow marsh
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!neck

prisma monolithBOT
slow marsh
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nope they're not

oak sky
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Its the little stat that procs

wide flame
slow marsh
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Gonna have to sim it as per usual

gray crest
wide flame
sour hinge
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So we should put the fire gem into all slots then eh? The 70 mastery 33 crit ones

slow marsh
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you should sim

storm forum
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I'm a fan of putting in all the different kinds of gems and playing roulette

jade wadi
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ok. so are we def running carnage / DTB in m+ now? pretty much always?

magic vine
normal mist
storm forum
jade wadi
normal mist
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Cheers 🥂

sonic spindle
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I’m sure the answer is yes, but with 4pc tier, am I still heavily gimping myself by playing sin in M+

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I just love IC and watching everything bleed…

thorny pond
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Play what you find fun

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Other rogue specs do preform better in M+ but sin isn't unplayable

fleet anchor
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It was just stronger than the 1% filler talents it competes with at the top of the tree

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Actives will pretty much always win over a lot of the current passive talent tuning. That's part of why Assassination has like 89 buttons right now. 😛

jade wadi
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has anyone seen any use for Elusiveness over cheat death?

dark bridge
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Any aoe mechanic

fleet anchor
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imo the biggest problem in the Assassination tree is still just the presence of the 3 talent point penultimate talents (Scent and Zold) mucking up the entire pacing and preventing viable double capstone builds.

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Honestly not sure why that wasn't fixed when Dashing was converted to 2 points

magic vine
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anything that isn't pure aoe elusiveness can help a lot with (also turns evasion into a small dr button)

junior aurora
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and then its preference most everywhere else

jade wadi
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I see. thanks!

magic vine
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offhand i'm not sure if it works on grievous or not, but i think it should?

fleet anchor
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iirc it works on everything

onyx linden
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Anyone know the dmg difference in 10.0.5 between poison focused DTB and bleed focused?

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Seems like the recommedation is bleed focused, when before it was poison

magic vine
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the only time poison was ahead was for certain gearing situations, mostly 2p with no box i think

pseudo geyser
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Will stat prio still be crit mast?

fleet anchor
onyx linden
fleet anchor
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IC/AP has to compete with losing SBS and 1 point somewhere else and that's just not a reasonable standard without having to make AP/IC stupidly strong

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If Zold/Scent was only 2 points IC+DTB/IC+AP/AP+DTB builds would maybe be able to be constructed in a way that was reasonable

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But right now they aren't

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SBS and Blindside are basically mini capstones on their own due to the point allocation and being 1 point below the 20 point threshold

dreamy gull
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how does cb work with rupture

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like if i ic + cb + rupture will everything be getting crit on every tick

fleet anchor
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It doesn't

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Unfortunately

grim jay
fickle bane
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Can you put a personal work order in for someone on a diff server?

grim jay
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that would make it a proper cleave talent and add ST so you might run double cap in every scenario, would work wonders together with yours

thorn fjord
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Are sims going to be fine today?

fleet anchor
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Yes, unless Blizzard changes something dramatically in hotfixes that wasn't on PTR

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Which is probably unlikely for Rogue

thorn fjord
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We moved raid to tomorrow being that we usually have bad luck on patch days and things not working lol

vestal wren
thorn fjord
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Ns still hasnt been touched either has it

vestal wren
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the rogue dev did talk about it

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but blizz has balancing concerns when fixing it

drowsy creek
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If haste is not our best stat, why the best sim gear is using haste enchant and gems?

vestal wren
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funnily, it would maybe offset some of the nerfs to outlaw

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when playing a dance build

vestal wren
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the best stat is crit, haste and mastery are tie on 2nd place

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but also it depends on your talent choice

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and trinkets

drowsy creek
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so sim use haste because others stats are maxed?

thorn fjord
frigid pilot
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any gamers cucking their 2 slot mythic raid vault to try to get grieftorch

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or is it always worth to go for the 2x mythic

vestal wren
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realz did imply this yes

frigid pilot
spice spire
#

It’s important to always sim

gusty mirage
sonic spindle
#

Next expansion

gusty mirage
brazen zodiac
gusty mirage
#

hope you're having a wonderful day

vestal wren
#

they did overshoot

gusty mirage
#

and the poison bomb nerf

onyx linden
#

what is the NS bug?

gusty mirage
#

and the fatal concoction nerf

brazen zodiac
#

i woke up sick and had to reschedule the most important interview of my life

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and then on top of that i forgot to switch the laundry

vestal wren
onyx linden
#

oh, lol

gusty mirage
#

yeah it doesn't do anything

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like

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literally nothing

#

it's like the new kingsbane placement in the assassination tree

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useless

vestal wren
#

it isn't too bad for assassiantion

onyx linden
#

lmao

vestal wren
#

because even if it was 50%

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instead of 8

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you wouldn't touch dance

fleet anchor
#

lol

vestal wren
#

i did a sim back when it was bugged in this direction

#

the dance row is fairly useless for assassination

gusty mirage
fleet anchor
#

Was already essentially a zdps talent for Assassination once the DoT snapshotting component was removed. 😦

undone eagle
#

When do they usually patch that we have unlimited valor cap??

fleet anchor
#

It just got balanced for all the Rogue specs to be equally useless

undone eagle
#

is it soon?

fleet anchor
#

😄

gusty mirage
#

but we don't know if they'll actually follow through this time

sonic spindle
#

Am I the only person who just hates shadow dance period?

gusty mirage
#

because this x.5 patch came faster than previous ones

#

idk if I feel strongly about shadow dance in either direction

#

kinda of just indifferent

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it's neat but I'm not sad its bad

#

and I wouldn't be upset if its good either

brazen zodiac
#

complete indifference

sonic spindle
#

Fair enough, I just hate seeing it creep into other specs outside sub

gusty mirage
#

I would like build diversity for all 3 specs though

#

that'd be kinda cool

vestal wren
#

patch cycles seem a bit shorter this time

#

could be that raids will typically have lower boss counts too

gusty mirage
#

yea 10.0.5 seems super quick turnaround

tall atlas
#

so from reading 10.0.5 kingsbane is dead?

gusty mirage
#

how many bosses were in nathria?

fleet anchor
#

Faster patch cycles is great

vestal wren
minor gate
#

10

fleet anchor
#

Someone should really tell the encounter design team though

gusty mirage
#

9.0 to 9.0.5 was like 5 months?

tall atlas
#

currently though i should keep playing exang tho?

fleet anchor
#

6 weeks and still only 50 kills of Razageth doesn't quite jive with the faster patch cycle approach 🤣

vestal wren
#

^

tall atlas
#

it seems to be so much harder hitting

vestal wren
#

also tell the content design team

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catalyst release date is also terrible

gusty mirage
#

you don't enjoy catalyst week 6?

fleet anchor
#

I certainly wouldn't mind them moving away from raids being stretched out for 3 months even for halfway decent Mythic guilds

#

It's ok to have some farm time in there 😛

gusty mirage
#

@fleet anchor also find whoever designed dathea and sennarth and fire them

fleet anchor
#

lol

vestal wren
#

dethea is okay

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but sennarth dead

gusty mirage
#

dathea on mythic is literally the worst fight in the entire raid

brazen zodiac
#

what do u dislike about dathea?

fleet anchor
#

Sennarth is an odd fight but Dathea on Mythic makes me seethe

real solar
#

hi oxi

sonic spindle
#

I’m ready for flame leviathan 2.0

gusty mirage
#

@real solar hi friend, I DM'd you back and you didn't respond

fleet anchor
#

I went on a 15 minute rant about Dathea last week after our raid

real solar
#

Oh oops, I forgot what I was going to ask D:

fleet anchor
#

What a dumb fight

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
#

in every sense of the word

#

like I'd rather do pre-tuning KT

#

how about that one

fleet anchor
#

It's like kinda an ok Heroic boss. And it's not as amazingly toxic as something like SLG.

#

But it's just a bad fight.

vestal wren
#

what makes it so bad?

fleet anchor
#

The way they flipped the circles mechanic around to getting to the corpses is stupid

gusty mirage
#

like I thought it was senarth was awful, but it's actually just more annoying than bad

#

then I got to dathea

fleet anchor
#

And mega unintuitive. Obnoxious for melee.

gusty mirage
#

and holy shit

fleet anchor
#

The platforms are also just dumb

vestal wren
#

i mean one thing i must say

minor gate
#

I don’t really have a bad time on sennarth

vestal wren
#

the visuals on many fights are not super clear

gusty mirage
#

also make sure that you can't see under darkness ever

vestal wren
#

terros XD

thorny pond
sonic spindle
#

I been feeling like Im blind lately. Im glad you said that lol

vestal wren
#

when your heal priest puts yellow cycles down, and the boss fight has all yellow cycles

gusty mirage
#

lmao

#

reminds me of the swirlies on KT

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with 2 arms warriors

vestal wren
#

but i mean in general

gusty mirage
#

good luck seeing the swirlies under 2 spears of bastion

fleet anchor
#

Like I mean we all run addons right

vestal wren
#

e.g. on dethea knowing how tornados will move is rly hard to see esp. as melee

fleet anchor
#

BUT

#

I strongly object to any fight where you basically are required to have some sort of addon tracking shit or someone outside of raid making calls

vestal wren
#

even on raz, seeing where the brath comes from requires some neck bending camera movement

fleet anchor
#

The circle drop charge thing is completely half-assed in terms of the in-game representation

gusty mirage
fleet anchor
#

There's not even any UI for it or anything

#

You just are supposed to know via osmosis how it works

#

It's just silly

gusty mirage
#

what sucks is kurog is actually a lot of fun

#

and then you go to dathea after

#

and you're like wtf man

fleet anchor
#

And having these sensitive drop-off circles with the pass-off mechanic and with random knockback AoE shit and with the suck vortex and with Tornados just makes me think someone never played a melee spec in their life.

#

Kurog is a good fight

gusty mirage
#

I actually regret being told to sit on the boss

#

I swear I'd rather go on the platforms

vestal wren
fleet anchor
#

Other than the silly timing sensitivity for tanks moving it between the zones on the first phase transition

#

But overall Kurog is good

frigid pilot
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
gusty mirage
#

staying on the main platform is actually misery

fleet anchor
#

It really is lol

frigid pilot
#

wait

#

sin is 92k now?

#

😮

vestal wren
#

btw. i didn't know you could get corored on terros

fleet anchor
#

Puzzle Box APL gainz I think mostly

vestal wren
#

you can get stuck between 3 pillars, and can't move or step out

gusty mirage
frigid pilot
gusty mirage
#

of healers stacking on top of me

#

being literally murdered

#

for like 20 pulls in a row

#

I got stuck between my pillar and their 2 pillars

vestal wren
#

and 10.0.5 talents

gusty mirage
#

I started standing back with the boomkins

frigid pilot
gusty mirage
#

to avoid the terrorism

sonic spindle
#

I just wanna say real quick, I don’t understand 80% of what you guys say, but I’m sure glad we have a community where you smart people can discuss this stuff.

frigid pilot
#

what was the apl change? using it prior to vanish/dm?

gusty mirage
#

I'm dumb as rocks

fleet anchor
frigid pilot
misty holly
gusty mirage
#

because leaving them as is

#

would be kinda depressing

frigid pilot
#

wait wtf

slow marsh
#

I mean idk if we were orc in sims before because i think the baseline was tauren but changing to orc alone was 500+

frigid pilot
#

2nd vanish and deathmark arent even synced

#

when the fuck did that change

fleet anchor
#

Never

magic vine
#

the beta build on raidbots doesn't have the apl improvement for that implemented i think

fleet anchor
#

There isn't really anything for that yet

upbeat needle
#

i hate raiding on tuesdays 🙄

fleet anchor
#

We've been exploring some ideas but I don't think anything has really won out quite yet

frigid pilot
vestal wren
magic eagle
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
magic vine
#

wait the current one doesn't do vanish before dm at 2min either, so unsure on that

frigid pilot
#

yeah

#

thats what im sayin

vestal wren
#

we did a similar thing with subtlety

#

where we now use grieftorch off gcd

#

and it brought sub from ~88k to ~89k

upbeat needle
frigid pilot
#

u mean on cd

#

or

#

wtf is off gcd

vestal wren
#

both can be used during a gcd

magic vine
#

the beta build however, isn't holding exsang till 4min

vestal wren
#

so you can combine the use

frigid pilot
#

yeah but what about the timing

vestal wren
#

for puzzle box you can just macro it to exsang

frigid pilot
#

2nd vanish

vestal wren
#

and press the key twice fast

upbeat needle
#

????

#

no shot

frigid pilot
#

hax

vestal wren
#

try it

gusty mirage
#

yea you can use the channel trinkets midgcd

frigid pilot
#

every1 getting banned

gusty mirage
#

I do it all the time

upbeat needle
#

mid GCD huh

gusty mirage
#

yarp

upbeat needle
#

brazy

spice spire
#

Mf got that 0.4s punch

frigid pilot
#

@vestal wren 2nd vanish apl is busted, whats goin on?

gusty mirage
#

plus with puzzle box

#

for first use at least

#

the cast is 1.4s

upbeat needle
#

so we're just macroing box to exang and fuckin set and forget?

gusty mirage
#

cuz its hasted

frigid pilot
#

also 2nd puzzle is not synced with dm or exsang

slow marsh
#

vanish isn't busted

upbeat needle
gusty mirage
turbid harbor
#

The fight is 4min 4sec long

vestal wren
turbid harbor
#

So it uses to get any value it can

vestal wren
#

ideas are always welcome too, you don't need to do apl changes by yourself

upbeat needle
#

this is why rogue gets nerfed

#

on repeat

magic vine
#

yea the box usage is just because that iteration was short

upbeat needle
#

all our little gains add up

frigid pilot
#

im just tryina wrap my head around the priority list, if we're supposed to sync shit still or if the APL is off

upbeat needle
#

class not broken, other classes just don't get to their max potential 😭

#

NERFING ROGUE WAS A MISTAKE

slow marsh
#

the apl isn't off

gusty mirage
slow marsh
#

you don't hold dm for vanish

gusty mirage
#

its apl has been "NYI" for like 3 expacs now

frigid pilot
#

but its sending the vanish alone

#

no dm or exsang

slow marsh
#

it's sending vanish the second it's back up

upbeat needle
frigid pilot
#

so delaying it and doing it on cd

#

is better than having the improved garrote

#

benefit from exsang or dm?

#

interesting

slow marsh
#

how is delaying and doing it on cd make sense

#

those are two opposite things lol

frigid pilot
#

delaying it after initial garrote fades

gusty mirage
#

I feel like this is a question better answered by the outlaw boys

frigid pilot
#

from opener

lusty bane
#

haha wops

gusty mirage
#

happens all the time, don't want your question to get ignored aGibbonHug

slow marsh
frigid pilot
vestal wren
#

they are fast, someone needs to stop them

frigid pilot
#

r multi-spec andies using crit vers on their neck

#

or mastery

#

crit/mat

#

mast*

gusty mirage
#

who knows you might find a 50% optimization somewhere

fading wigeon
frigid pilot
#

time to recraft again Sadge

slow marsh
#

crit mast since it goes with all 3 specs

frigid pilot
#

took me 7 recrafts to get 75 mainstat gem

#

21% inspo

minor gate
vestal wren
upbeat needle
#

i love specs on rogue getting nerfed while unholy dks and arcane mages run amuck !!!!

gusty mirage
brazen zodiac
frigid pilot
gusty mirage
#

and ran some sims and noticed something was off, asked whispyr to look at it

#

and it turns out their APL just wasn't casting anything

fading wigeon
#

Lol

gusty mirage
#

just conflag and immolate

#

no venthyr ability

fading wigeon
#

Hahahhaha

gusty mirage
#

and wasn't touching rain of fire until 8 targets

vestal wren
#

yes, it had a lot of low hanging fruits

frigid pilot
#

shadowlands raidcomps needed 2-3 locks minimum

#

they dont need apl for a raidspot

#

poor rogues need to prove their need

wary ice
vestal wren
#

if you look at rogue you usually rly need to know where to look at to find improvements

slow marsh
#

I mean we're in a better place than we ever have been at least

vestal wren
#

we fight for our 0.2% improvements

slow marsh
#

in the last 2 xpacs

frigid pilot
#

true

slow marsh
#

2 rogues isn't trolling

#

that's a win

frigid pilot
#

bet they buff evokers more though

minor gate
#

Me personally I would never let them nerf me like that

frigid pilot
#

imagine being a beta that lets a corporation nerf your spec/class

minor gate
#

Oh wow

#

And they said exanguinate was too much

frigid pilot
#

having a good cd every stormsurge BabyRage

gusty mirage
#

that's overall

#

do you purposefully cherry pick what stats you screenshot?

frigid pilot
#

exsang did nothing wrong

vestal wren
#

don't trust statistics you didn't falsify by yourself

gusty mirage
#

yeah bro

#

havoc is "OP"

frigid pilot
#

adds need to die

gusty mirage
#

you mentioned stormsurge?

#

YOU

#

MENTIONED STORMSURGE

#

what do the shields have to do with "adds need to die"

frigid pilot
#

the logic they used with nerfing it its too good and too often

gusty mirage
#

it was too good and too often

#

it was more damage than our capstones

frigid pilot
#

if the spec is dogshit at aoe it needs to be significantly ahead in ST

minor gate
#

Now that we’re back to DTB I can get back to making the little adds cripples

thorn fjord
frigid pilot
#

emphasis on significantly

gusty mirage
minor gate
gusty mirage
#

I mean assassination seems to be significantly ahead of DH on boss damage

#

what's your point

wary ice
#

Hey oxi I hope you're doing well

gusty mirage
#

no no

#

let's not give him a cop out

#

he's come in here

#

every week

wary ice
#

Oh sorry

gusty mirage
#

cherry picks his wcl chart

slow marsh
#

Get his ass

gusty mirage
#

and then when I call him out

distant mesa
#

Why is everyone being upset with the Assa Rogue changes, this legit just makes you turn your brain off more

gusty mirage
#

he refuses to respond

wary ice
#

Solved

slow marsh
distant mesa
#

Don't gimme wrong I liked KB builds

storm onyx
frigid pilot
#

I did respond

#

not enough of a lead of the spec over others to be that bad on adds

gusty mirage
#

like you act like exsang wasn't an issue

#

when it was legit more damage than having KB + DTB together would've been

#

but okay

slow marsh
#

Honestly it's just that people were really happy with the build variation and having the option to play KB with a higher ceiling or DTB for higher floor and now they took away the variety to force everyone to play the passive build

frigid pilot
#

45 sec to 3 min is too much, 1.5 or 2 min would have been more appropriate tbh

wary ice
slow marsh
#

and for the sake of a mediocre 4t cleave capstone that we won't take anyways is the nut punch

gusty mirage
#

45s to 3 minutes

#

and its still about 1k dps ahead of alternative choices

#

but okay

wary ice
#

I really like dtb tho so I'm not too salty

undone eagle
#

im not used to fenryr vanish , do you insta vanish when you get target as leap or when hes about to jump?

slow marsh
#

exsang at 3 mins is fine especially since it's so easy to pick up in any build

gusty mirage
frigid pilot
#

damage to bosses

image.png
gray crest
slow marsh
#

I still want them to rework how exsang works but even I know it's still really strong

wary ice
gusty mirage
undone eagle
#

ok ty ❤️

#

so he goes first to the closest target yea?

torpid plank
#

farthest

undone eagle
#

aah

gusty mirage
#

yeah so you run out so he jumps to you first

slow marsh
gusty mirage
#

then vanish as he's in air toward you

undone eagle
#

so i just sprint out and vanish when hes in the air

wary ice
gusty mirage
undone eagle
#

yep thnx

distant mesa
undone eagle
#

❤️

slow marsh
#

I thought they were reworking not replacing

gusty mirage
#

they're looking to rework it or replace it

random fossil
sour hinge
#

wtb 2 min exsang so it lines up with shit

slow marsh
#

oh well then i'll take replace too

#

i didn't realize it was an option

gusty mirage
#

it going poof is very much an option

slow marsh
#

i'll take 2 of those

frigid pilot
#

ah the good old days, wotlk sin

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royal lantern
merry raven
wary ice
# gusty mirage 45s to 3 minutes

I think the fact that it got 215 added to its cd and its still pretty mandatory should probably show that it was a little over tuned

royal lantern
#

wotlk is the reason why assassination rogue counts as the "beginner spec" dracthyr_kek

slow marsh
#

you have to be a lawyer and then subpoena the devs to hand over their current plans and information

slow marsh
#

ss snd ss ss rup ss ss ss expose ss ss ss snd

royal lantern
frigid pilot
#

combat in sunwell was so insane

royal lantern
#

all classes where 3 or 4 buttons

frigid pilot
#

u had to hold ur 2 min blade flurry

royal lantern
#

assa was just 2 buttons

frigid pilot
#

for when adds come out

#

on muru

slow marsh
#

assa was the same amount of buttons as combat

frigid pilot
#

incredible micro-management

slow marsh
#

😆

#

what a joke

frigid pilot
#

u just get glaives, thats how u parse

brazen zodiac
slow marsh
#

get glaives and hope your sword spec rng + mongoose comes through

midnight phoenix
#

Hey guys ive started on rogue, downloaded hekili to use my rotation, well to get a better understanding of rotation - Would anyone recommend other addons or WA that are a must?

thorn fjord
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
#

inc: the "legendary" wotlk feral druid, HARDEST SPEC WE EVER HAD (it was a simple priority list)

frigid pilot
#

i only had offhand so 99s were hard

calm zinc
#

How do the 10.0.5 changes affect sin? Is there an faq for this?

frigid pilot
thorn fjord
#

pins

slow marsh
#

pins

spice spire
#

pins?

subtle kiln
#

🧷

frigid pilot
slow marsh
fallow canopy
#

πns

frigid pilot
#

pally discord has pins in russian

#

oO

calm zinc
#

Wow I got owned

frigid pilot
#

🤨

royal lantern
#

when will whisp post the new builds in the faq @spice spire

midnight phoenix
#

So DTB is gunna be best unless Raz

slow marsh
gusty mirage
spice spire
minor gate
#

I had high hopes for sepsis especially for outlaw

frigid pilot
#

r they going to make a new partition in wcl

spice spire
frigid pilot
#

or just let it all mesh

thorny pond
#

New build is no talents, sink to bottom of dps meters then next patch they buff us to infinity

royal lantern
magic vine
#

well, talent and apl changes are like a 3k gain

spice spire
royal lantern
#

lazy tc, why do we even pay you

spice spire
#

Paid HUHHH

delicate berry
#

How are the changes looking?

#

Jk

royal lantern
#

we pay whisp in mental torture

delicate berry
#

I read the pins

frigid pilot
#

when u wanna send giga valor on ur puzzle but have a feeling ur next vault is a 421

gusty mirage
timber basalt
#

Next vault prayge

royal lantern
#

you use ruby whelp, wowhead told me its better then torch

gusty mirage
royal lantern
#

doesnt matter, poison is only ~1%of your dmg

#

outlaw main btw

gusty mirage
royal lantern
#

when you want to embrace your bri*ish roots

gusty mirage
#

what embellishment do I want?

brazen zodiac
#

deez

royal lantern
#

im running out of stupid answers dracthyr_kek

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
#

I'm sure you'll find 10

royal lantern
#

outlaw just got a GIGA NERF, no way im going into ground zero lol

gusty mirage
#

true

#

1% overall

#

5% stamina

#

LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

royal lantern
indigo epoch
#

Outlaw is a dead spec now. rip

wary ice
#

ownedlaw more like

frigid pilot
indigo epoch
delicate berry
#

A little sketchy to use sometimes but I'm finding that I like Stormeaters boon trinket or w.e it's called

#

In m+

gusty mirage
#

yeah boon cranks

royal lantern
gusty mirage
royal lantern
indigo epoch
#

🍿

broken fractal
#

Hey everyone it looks like Outlaw is dead and I have to reroll the bones to Assassination

gusty mirage
#

I don't envy zac, solo, or guy

#

that's for sure